Great in depth video! I LOVE this action!! I had the pleasure of using one at a long range shooting school where we were shooting at golf balls and clay pigeons at 1000 yards! Super smooth and precise!
Do the terminus actions come with action screws? Some call them bottom metal screws or trigger plate screws. I’m ordering to Apollo and Zeus with quick change option and now looking into stocks and I just realized I didn’t see anything about them coming with action screws. If they don’t, what action screws did you use? Thank you in advance.
Hi there mate, You know I can’t actually remember if they shipped with the screws to attach action to stock I would guess not! As depending on what stock you run you may need slightly longer or shorter bolts to fit correctly Whoever they are just normal Allen wrench bolts my back one was cut to fit snug. Good question thx.
@@precisionriflereviews2029 thank you! I like an idiot am trying to rush to put a rifle together at the last minute before hunting season and I don’t want any surprises as I will be eagerly waiting in the mail for all the bits and pieces to do a full custom. I appreciate your help!
If you can get one I'm sure they're great. I ordered one and was told 6,8 week wait. Called at week 8... 2 more weeks. Called at week10... 2 more weeks. On and on until week 20 where I canceled my order. And just bought a curtis Valor. Joel of terminus worked for Curtis and where he got his design for the terminus from. Just save yourself a headache and buy a curtis. Original designer and a better business operator.
I actually have done quite a bit of research in 3 lug actions for my build. Curtis was a great company because of Joel the maker of terminus. He was who you would speak to if you called into curtis. He provided the customer service and took the time to speak to us as we called in with questions. From what I have read and been told, Joel designed the action for curtis. He owns the prints. There were a few flaws that under the company he couldn't correct. This motivated him to go off on his own. I can tell you that the updated actions have a .725 bolt body instead of. 750 leaving extra metal on the floor of the action. This was done to correct a wear issue. Also the lug geometry was changed slightly. If you want something similar, sure buy a curtis. If you want an improved action that feels smoother and feeds flawlessly go terminus. I ordered mine yesterday. He takes care of shooters in the sport and veterans/law enforcement. Sorry they are harder to obtain. That should tell you something.
@@jeffstephens6099 it's not the wait that bothered me. It was the blatant lying. Had he said a year wait in the beginning, I would have waited. The product speaks for itself. I spoke with Joel every 2 weeks for months. Everytime he assured me, 2 more weeks. I'm self employed and know my my supply chain isn't up to par or running behind. I assume Joel has the same grasp of business. He flat out lied to me on numerous occasions. And the improvements you mentioned were also done on the vector, now called the valor. You said he takes care of shooters in the sport and law enforcement So the wait time should tell me something. Are you saying since I'm not leo or a prs series shooter, I'm less important as a customer and it's OK to lie about wait times and not keep your word? Curtis and terminus actions are the same animal, for reasons you mentioned above. But for me curtis has excelled at the customer service. While Joel has proven to not be a man of his word. As is the world, results may vary. I had a bad experience, others will have a great experince. I just know I'll never refer Joel and let anyone who asks know how things went for me.
Nice review. What calibre is the prs rig? I'm assuming the action on the hunting rifle is a short action . The switch barrel option is a winner with this action from Terminus. Did the barrel come from the states with the chamber already cut for the 22-250 or did a gunsmith here in Aust do the chamber reaming? Did you wait very long for the import through Delta Tactical? Thx again for a great review. You've done your homework. Sorry for the 101 questions. Cheers.😎
Hey buddy my Prs rifle is in 6 creed The hunting rifles barrel was chambered by my local gun smith group Solutions. Ordered the barrels via APRS did wait a while as they were relatively new so have 22-250 & 308 on hunting rifle. I do believe delta have carbon pre chambered barrels tho.
Great reviews. I’m saving up for a March 1.5-15. Is that a light mount under the end of your stock? If so, what kind is it? I have just purchased an Acebeam L35 light and am wondering how to attach it more sturdily than using a clamp on my scope.
Yes that is a torch and laser all in one however because my rifle runs a Arca Swiss rail & no companies currently make a Arca clamp torch or laser,, so I am using the previously reviewed ignition custom engineering Arca to pickatinny Q-R adapter I will add links to help you out. www.lasermax.com/sps-c-r.html shop.iceng.com.au/manael-arca-swiss-clamp-picatinny-rail-type
Nice setup , check out American rifle company mags , Ted makes the feed lips shorter , meaning the round can catch the extractor sooner than the ACIS mags. The top round is lifted off the case underneath, instead of the shoulder and neck area.. they are built out of heavier metal as well.. I don’t use accuracy mags anymore ..👍😊🇺🇸
This is my personal favourite don’t get me wrong a defiance two lug action with a 90° bolt lift is crazy smooth and tolerances are just wow, but this suits me better in a dirty dusty environment a defiance need to be cleaned more where this is a battle tank. Lots of quality actions out there all of them better than us it’s just a personal preference and what type of shooting your doing I guess
@@rickydowning7557 it is probably smoother but that comes at a cost you need to lift the bolt twice as far. The tolerances are much tighter which is great for a bench rest application. But many shooters have found in practical style shooting or hunting they require a lot of cleaning mid match to keep them running smooth. If you plan on getting it super dirty like hunting or PRS style shooting where you may physically not be allowed to touch your gun during the match other than shooting it. Those tolerances actually inhibit you
@@precisionriflereviews2029 I’m really torn on what to go for, originally I was going to get standard accuracy international atx, now I don’t know weather to get a custom action and put it in the atx chassis
@@rickydowning7557 I guess it depends on the use of the rifle I can assure you a full custom rifle is probably a better fit as you pic each bit to suit you perfectly. The A.I is like buying the best spots car, it’s factory perfect but not the best at any one thing. A custom rifle is heavy or light to suit your need Trigger is 1 or two stage as u can chose. The barrel is carbon or steel to suit you. If u were only hunting my set up in vid would be best as it’s as light as possible But it would be crap at prs or bench rest The A-I is a good all rounder but so is a Tikka CTR for 1/4 of the cost. Which given you are not getting the best of any one thing I would personally go for in this application Hope that is some help I’m always happy to answer any questions
Hi Tristan I am interested in putting together a custom rifle based on the action and barrel you reviewed. Reached out to Delta and they would not answer my emails or phone calls. Do you know anyone else that gives a shit about consumers wishing to spend a fair bit of money.
3gun tactical is the only other company with them is aus that I’m aware of. I feel your pain on reply they are a online store to keep costs low, I’m confident if you have emailed them you will get a call back. I would be happy to pass your number on you can pm me on face book via same page name Can’t wait to see your rig mate what are you thinking
@@precisionriflereviews2029 Hi Tristan, well I have 2 rifles in mind either 30cal platform and 7mm Rem Mag, 30cal probably .308 22'' barrel for Alpine hunting fairly close distant hunting, 7mm Rem Mag 26" barrel to go with my already 300WM mainly for my long range hunting 500yds plus. Based of your review I purchased a March scope will be testing it in about 3 weeks heading into the high country for a weeks hunting.
@@texacana9680 As a lefty, I understand why you'd want a left hand action. But honestly man, you're better off buying a RH action due to resale. You think getting a lefty action is hard now, trying selling a lefty rifle. Thats the same reason I built my precision rifle as a righty. It sold quickly.
Hey mate . Can we get a follow up video with barrel swap and how it keeps zero . Very interested in this action . Would love to get more info from a fellow Aussie shooter
I’m planning on ordering 2 of the Zeus with the quick change. My question to you is, is there a accuracy difference between the action without the quick change? My only concern with the quick change is if it would be just as accurate as the one without as I’d love to have plenty of barrels in different chambers instead of so many rifles in different chambers. Thank you in advance for your time, and great video!
The true answer would be (consistency is accuracy) If you install the barrels to the same torque spec that same way every time and very consistently do it the same you will not notice any accuracy loss or point of impact shift, other than fall of shot from different calibres. I would also recommend very high quality gunsmithing. Regards Tristan
@@precisionriflereviews2029 Thanks for answering! I would expect a rezero when swapping barrels. I just want to be sure I could achieve the same level of accuracy with a quick change as one would expect to get from a action that doesn’t have the quick change. Maybe I’ll just do the same you did and order one of each.
@@leonardogarcia2506 Never heard of Accuracy International have you? Quick change barrel systems are nothing new and they retain accuracy just fine. For almost 10 years now AI has been making excellent quick change barrel rifles and they're some of the most rugged, most accurate rifles out there. I take my barrel off my axsr to clean and have forgotten to torque the barrel screw and the rifle has been consistently .5 moa. I expect Terminus quick change actions to be as good as the ai actions.
@@equalleftrights3130 I know the ai axmc very well. I’m not interested in the axmc. I don’t want another chassis rifle. I’m asking about the terminus because I want the multi caliber selection for a long range precision hunting rifle that in the off season I can have those elr range days. Regardless, I ordered the pair anyway and can’t wait to see for myself.
I got it from delta tactical here in Australia I was lucky was in stock so only had to submit my (PTA) which takes 28days However I use that time to build rifle as it was sent to my gun smith for work.
Great in depth video! I LOVE this action!! I had the pleasure of using one at a long range shooting school where we were shooting at golf balls and clay pigeons at 1000 yards! Super smooth and precise!
Hi Tristan, how did this build turn out in the end? What stock is it in the video you have used for the build?
The comp rifle is in a MPA chassis and the hunting rifle is in a manners carbon fibre stock
Do the terminus actions come with action screws? Some call them bottom metal screws or trigger plate screws. I’m ordering to Apollo and Zeus with quick change option and now looking into stocks and I just realized I didn’t see anything about them coming with action screws. If they don’t, what action screws did you use? Thank you in advance.
Hi there mate,
You know I can’t actually remember if they shipped with the screws to attach action to stock
I would guess not! As depending on what stock you run you may need slightly longer or shorter bolts to fit correctly
Whoever they are just normal Allen wrench bolts my back one was cut to fit snug.
Good question thx.
@@precisionriflereviews2029 thank you! I like an idiot am trying to rush to put a rifle together at the last minute before hunting season and I don’t want any surprises as I will be eagerly waiting in the mail for all the bits and pieces to do a full custom. I appreciate your help!
Just ordered one myself but the Kratos as I was after a long action. Keen to see it up and running!
Nice one mate hope you enjoy.
Awesome video, thanks. Got a kratos lite in 7mm and its amazing too.
If you can get one I'm sure they're great. I ordered one and was told 6,8 week wait. Called at week 8... 2 more weeks.
Called at week10... 2 more weeks. On and on until week 20 where I canceled my order. And just bought a curtis Valor. Joel of terminus worked for Curtis and where he got his design for the terminus from. Just save yourself a headache and buy a curtis. Original designer and a better business operator.
I actually have done quite a bit of research in 3 lug actions for my build. Curtis was a great company because of Joel the maker of terminus. He was who you would speak to if you called into curtis. He provided the customer service and took the time to speak to us as we called in with questions. From what I have read and been told, Joel designed the action for curtis. He owns the prints. There were a few flaws that under the company he couldn't correct. This motivated him to go off on his own. I can tell you that the updated actions have a .725 bolt body instead of. 750 leaving extra metal on the floor of the action. This was done to correct a wear issue. Also the lug geometry was changed slightly. If you want something similar, sure buy a curtis. If you want an improved action that feels smoother and feeds flawlessly go terminus. I ordered mine yesterday. He takes care of shooters in the sport and veterans/law enforcement. Sorry they are harder to obtain. That should tell you something.
@@jeffstephens6099 it's not the wait that bothered me. It was the blatant lying. Had he said a year wait in the beginning, I would have waited. The product speaks for itself. I spoke with Joel every 2 weeks for months. Everytime he assured me, 2 more weeks. I'm self employed and know my my supply chain isn't up to par or running behind. I assume Joel has the same grasp of business. He flat out lied to me on numerous occasions.
And the improvements you mentioned were also done on the vector, now called the valor.
You said he takes care of shooters in the sport and law enforcement
So the wait time should tell me something. Are you saying since I'm not leo or a prs series shooter, I'm less important as a customer and it's OK to lie about wait times and not keep your word?
Curtis and terminus actions are the same animal, for reasons you mentioned above. But for me curtis has excelled at the customer service. While Joel has proven to not be a man of his word.
As is the world, results may vary. I had a bad experience, others will have a great experince. I just know I'll never refer Joel and let anyone who asks know how things went for me.
Nice review. What calibre is the prs rig? I'm assuming the action on the hunting rifle is a short action . The switch barrel option is a winner with this action from Terminus. Did the barrel come from the states with the chamber already cut for the 22-250 or did a gunsmith here in Aust do the chamber reaming? Did you wait very long for the import through Delta Tactical? Thx again for a great review. You've done your homework. Sorry for the 101 questions. Cheers.😎
Hey buddy my Prs rifle is in 6 creed
The hunting rifles barrel was chambered by my local gun smith group Solutions. Ordered the barrels via APRS did wait a while as they were relatively new so have 22-250 & 308 on hunting rifle.
I do believe delta have carbon pre chambered barrels tho.
Great reviews. I’m saving up for a March 1.5-15.
Is that a light mount under the end of your stock? If so, what kind is it? I have just purchased an Acebeam L35 light and am wondering how to attach it more sturdily than using a clamp on my scope.
Yes that is a torch and laser all in one however because my rifle runs a Arca Swiss rail & no companies currently make a Arca clamp torch or laser,, so I am using the previously reviewed ignition custom engineering Arca to pickatinny Q-R adapter
I will add links to help you out.
www.lasermax.com/sps-c-r.html
shop.iceng.com.au/manael-arca-swiss-clamp-picatinny-rail-type
@@precisionriflereviews2029 Many thanks, I'll look into that.
Nice setup , check out American rifle company mags , Ted makes the feed lips shorter , meaning the round can catch the extractor sooner than the ACIS mags. The top round is lifted off the case underneath, instead of the shoulder and neck area.. they are built out of heavier metal as well.. I don’t use accuracy mags anymore ..👍😊🇺🇸
Thx for advice mate I will be sure to check that out.
Impressive
What is the best action you have used
This is my personal favourite don’t get me wrong a defiance two lug action with a 90° bolt lift is crazy smooth and tolerances are just wow, but this suits me better in a dirty dusty environment a defiance need to be cleaned more where this is a battle tank.
Lots of quality actions out there all of them better than us it’s just a personal preference and what type of shooting your doing I guess
@@precisionriflereviews2029 so you would say the defiance has tighter tolerances and smoother?
@@rickydowning7557 it is probably smoother but that comes at a cost you need to lift the bolt twice as far.
The tolerances are much tighter which is great for a bench rest application.
But many shooters have found in practical style shooting or hunting they require a lot of cleaning mid match to keep them running smooth.
If you plan on getting it super dirty like hunting or PRS style shooting where you may physically not be allowed to touch your gun during the match other than shooting it. Those tolerances actually inhibit you
@@precisionriflereviews2029 I’m really torn on what to go for, originally I was going to get standard accuracy international atx, now I don’t know weather to get a custom action and put it in the atx chassis
@@rickydowning7557 I guess it depends on the use of the rifle I can assure you a full custom rifle is probably a better fit as you pic each bit to suit you perfectly.
The A.I is like buying the best spots car, it’s factory perfect but not the best at any one thing.
A custom rifle is heavy or light to suit your need
Trigger is 1 or two stage as u can chose.
The barrel is carbon or steel to suit you.
If u were only hunting my set up in vid would be best as it’s as light as possible
But it would be crap at prs or bench rest
The A-I is a good all rounder but so is a Tikka CTR for 1/4 of the cost. Which given you are not getting the best of any one thing I would personally go for in this application
Hope that is some help
I’m always happy to answer any questions
Hi Tristan I am interested in putting together a custom rifle based on the action and barrel you reviewed. Reached out to Delta and they would not answer my emails or phone calls. Do you know anyone else that gives a shit about consumers wishing to spend a fair bit of money.
3gun tactical is the only other company with them is aus that I’m aware of.
I feel your pain on reply they are a online store to keep costs low, I’m confident if you have emailed them you will get a call back.
I would be happy to pass your number on you can pm me on face book via same page name
Can’t wait to see your rig mate what are you thinking
@@precisionriflereviews2029 Hi Tristan, well I have 2 rifles in mind either 30cal platform and 7mm Rem Mag, 30cal probably .308 22'' barrel for Alpine hunting fairly close distant hunting, 7mm Rem Mag 26" barrel to go with my already 300WM mainly for my long range hunting 500yds plus. Based of your review I purchased a March scope will be testing it in about 3 weeks heading into the high country for a weeks hunting.
I just wanted to ask about ordering left handed actions and how long the process takes and I really like the quick release barrels.
@@texacana9680 As a lefty, I understand why you'd want a left hand action. But honestly man, you're better off buying a RH action due to resale. You think getting a lefty action is hard now, trying selling a lefty rifle. Thats the same reason I built my precision rifle as a righty. It sold quickly.
Hey mate . Can we get a follow up video with barrel swap and how it keeps zero . Very interested in this action . Would love to get more info from a fellow Aussie shooter
Can do mate
@@precisionriflereviews2029 noice
I’m planning on ordering 2 of the Zeus with the quick change. My question to you is, is there a accuracy difference between the action without the quick change? My only concern with the quick change is if it would be just as accurate as the one without as I’d love to have plenty of barrels in different chambers instead of so many rifles in different chambers. Thank you in advance for your time, and great video!
The true answer would be (consistency is accuracy)
If you install the barrels to the same torque spec that same way every time and very consistently do it the same you will not notice any accuracy loss or point of impact shift, other than fall of shot from different calibres.
I would also recommend very high quality gunsmithing.
Regards Tristan
@@precisionriflereviews2029 Thanks for answering! I would expect a rezero when swapping barrels. I just want to be sure I could achieve the same level of accuracy with a quick change as one would expect to get from a action that doesn’t have the quick change. Maybe I’ll just do the same you did and order one of each.
@@leonardogarcia2506 Never heard of Accuracy International have you? Quick change barrel systems are nothing new and they retain accuracy just fine. For almost 10 years now AI has been making excellent quick change barrel rifles and they're some of the most rugged, most accurate rifles out there. I take my barrel off my axsr to clean and have forgotten to torque the barrel screw and the rifle has been consistently .5 moa. I expect Terminus quick change actions to be as good as the ai actions.
@@equalleftrights3130 I know the ai axmc very well. I’m not interested in the axmc. I don’t want another chassis rifle. I’m asking about the terminus because I want the multi caliber selection for a long range precision hunting rifle that in the off season I can have those elr range days. Regardless, I ordered the pair anyway and can’t wait to see for myself.
@@leonardogarcia2506 You ordered both actions in quick change? Where were you able to find them? Im looking for one. What calibers are you going with?
How long did it take for the zeus action to ship once you placed the order? Just curious what the lead time looks like before I order mine
I got it from delta tactical here in Australia
I was lucky was in stock so only had to submit my (PTA) which takes 28days
However I use that time to build rifle as it was sent to my gun smith for work.
@@precisionriflereviews2029 thanks for the info mate!
Hey mate would love to ask you a few more questions, can we get in touch via messenger?
Have done mate 👍
Hello, I have a terminus apollo 6.5 creedmoor being built right now. What bore guide do you recommend using on these actions?
Hi mate I used POSSUM HOLLOW BORE GUIDES.
www.brtshooterssupply.com.au/product/possum-hollow-bore-guides-to-suit-remingtons-winchesters-etc/