Why Europe needs paganism
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- In the video i say eagle, but we dont have eagles in holland, we have buzzards.
Thats what i meant to say, but sometimes my head gets lost in translation….
You can hear the buzzard first at around 1.30 min.
Similar thing is going in Iran, some of the Iranians are trying to revive the old Persian Empire and their god's.
I did not know that, & that is amazing news!
A worldwide pagan revival.
Ancient songs Ancient teaching are returning.
im proud see a zoroastrian brother!]greeting s from india!
True Aryans
Yea like Zoroastrianism and even druzem have been steadily growing not as fast as Islam or Christianity in Africa but it has been preserved.
it seriously , makes me smile
the resurgence of our old traditions
our own legacy , our own ancestral legacy
that had been cut off from us is rising again
thank you
What makes the pagan gods true over any other religion tho
@@ghengiskhan9308 glad you asked!
"X religion is more true than Y religion" doesn't seem to be a common sentiment among Pagans in my experience. We tend to have some level of pluralism built into our mindset probably due to our polytheistic beliefs.
For example one might worship Zeus and another might worship Thor. Both as an emblem of strength, positive masculinity and of thunder. We may be inspired by different gods but what they mean to us seems to be very similar. This different yet similar observation is deeply enriching celebrating both similarity and diversity.
As far as I have experienced it seems that only Christianity and Islam posit themselves as more true than other religions. Overtly converting as many people as possible ruining much cultural and spiritual diversity in the process. This may be a religious tendency coming over from Second Temple Judaism whereby the Yahwists doubled down on monotheism after the Babylonian Exile. Asserting THEIR way over others, with very few legitimate justifications for it in my opinion.
So, there you have a little explanation of it all. Monotheists tend to posit their spirituality as more true than others, especially Abrahamic faiths.
And in my opinion? All gods are sort of true. I'm still working on a more useful understanding of the divine so I haven't even scratched the surface yet but I hope it was a little enlightening for you. :)
@@TheDutchGameas long as you make European paganism only Pro White and anti lgbt it will work
Good to see fellow dutch are going back to the roots and truth. May wodan bless you my fellow pagans.
I love how conservatives say christianity is "tradition"... it was never traditional it was a nuisance to us
Kinda is tradition because thanks to it you get to live in a society that let's you reject it and worship false pagan gods
@@ghengiskhan9308 Nothing can be further from the truth. If Christianity was still ruling Europe, his head would have been removed from his neck. Go look it up -- apostasy was a thing back in the day, just like in Islam today. Without the threat of capital punishment, people pull away from abrahamic ideologies. It was the separation of church and state and the return to the ideals of democracy, free speech and free association from ancient Greece and Rome during the Enlightenment era that has given European people the right to worship their own TRUE European gods, not a fake storybook character called 'Jesus Christ' created by the Council of Niceae in 4th century Rome.
Great for Europeans to take back their ancestors belief. I am from Japan and we still have our ancestors belief so we can feel the connection to them of tens of thousands of years ago. When the Christian missionaries came from Portugal to Japan and preached, the Japanese peasants asked if their ancestors can go to heaven as well if they get Christianized and the missionaries said no they can't. Then the Japanese peasants replied they don't wanna go to heaven alone without their ancestors. So the rumor in the Japanese Internet has it that the missionaries made the only-Japan rule which allowed the pagan ancestors of the Christianized can go to heaven. I don't know if this rumor is true or not but this thing tells how difficult it was to Christianize the Japanese back then.
There was a Frisian king named Radbod who asked the same question got the same answer and the missionaries were expelled.
Im portuguese and im sorry for my ancestors to pressure you with our beliefs
@@luso569 YOUR beliefs? HAHAHAHhaH
@@luso569 if you go far enough back your ancestors were pressured in the same way and forcefully converted.
You made a great poibt.
Always good to see my kin back in the homeland realize our pagan ways are best suited to us. Liked, shared the video, and subbed. Be well.
I'm a Sinitic Chinese polytheist and to my pagan brothers in Europe and Slavia "skål"
As a mexican exploring and studying my mesoamerican ancestors' culture (specifically nahua mexica), which has survived and persisted to this day in many parts of the country, I feel a great appreciation and solidarity with this tendency towards paganization that is being developed in many parts of europe.
I love your channel. Greetings from a follower of Vedic Religion!
I worship the Norse and Greek gods and some other less known ones.
I started it like a year ago or so.
Just felt like doing it.
My living room is my altar where i pray to the old gods.
I made a few artworks in their honor to better connect myself to them.
They help and they respond to prayers.
If they didnt help i wouldnt waste my time with them.
Old people thousands of years ago were way smarter than todays tech generations because they had to do everything by their own hands and mind.
They didnt have tech to do everything instead of them.
Same for me. I'm worshipping Iban Ancient Gods. Like you say they respond and helped me.
Ancients cultures shared and thrived their values. Arabic cults of the supremacist style ruined those universal values. ❤ from India 🇮🇳
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I agree.
Yes they monotheistic thought no spirituality no values and no love for nature 🥺😪😭
@@lightfootpathfinder8218 hm true 🙂❤️🤗🥰
Then why are you killing Indians who have converted to Islam? They are still Indians. Who is the cult here?
Look out, man, there are some dangerous cows behind you!! Seriously though, I think you have some pretty good ideas! I´m from Finland 🇫🇮🇪🇺 and I think Europeans ( I don´t like to say Pagan/Heathen because pre-Christian Europeans would not have said so themselves ) who worship the old gods/deities need to be better connected.
That buzzard was there to remind us of the ancient times, there still here...
They even had the nerve to build churches on ancestral sacred sites
The jealousy, arrogance and ballsiness of their jotun god of sand, chaos, deceit and jealousy knows no bounds.
@@QockNobblrVery true he barged his way into our continent
One may argue that practices like these led to a merger of these religions. And well it is sad at least it preserved some of our pegan history. As are later ancestors would master the art of a cultural genocide.
If we go by the pagan mentality then your gods are simply weaker than the christian gods and that's that's they got wiped outb
Lol that’s the standard monotheistic SOP, that’s also why they always hear demons and spirits, possibly just their dying conscience.
Greetings from an American pagan! I'm on your wavelength brother! I've shared this video on all my social media and my discord group!
Thank you.
I am a small channel and sharing a video helps a lott. 👍❤️
Heil the folk! Heil the gods!
Subscribed!
You start to make Paganism great. 🍀
We will have the Druids back like before the man of the stick religion came
Yes we can free ourselves from the Christian biblical trap of taxation too. And return to tribe.
fancy meeting you here
nothing ever good comes from the desert or abrahamics, read the dharma code
We know their desert god going back
You do realise what the pagans where doing in the desert right? Because of Abrahamic religion you get to live in a society which let's you worship pagan gods how funny
Spot on, friend🍻
Any community's in the netherlands that you know of? Really want to get more into paganism but got no clue where to start😆
Kijk ff op instagram - dutch pagans
Send me a message there
We having a first meetup soon in the east of holland….
14 th of august - gemeente enschede
@@dutchpagans Ai, ik lees dit maanden te laat, haha. Ik ben woonachtig in Enschede. Komen er meer bijeenkomsten?
In America. See trend is growing here too. Been a "spiritual" person for over 7 years, but live in deep South so area isn't supportive of other religions or non-monotheistic religions. I am guessing the loss of many rights,like women losing control.over reproductive rights in states after nearly 50 years has something to do with a rejection of the staunch patriarchal religions that often discount women.
Very well said. I also mentioned that in my video on why the Netherlands ain't the Netherlands anymore. We can run away from our broken systems or reconnect deeper with our ancestors and ancestral lands.
There is never one truth, each individual must find their own. Thank you for your video 😊
Blij dat ik dit account gevonden heb, we “moeten” terug naar onze roots, de pre-christelijke tijd, onze eigen identiteit, onze natuur “religie” wat we eigenlijk geen religie moeten noemen, hebben jullie bijeenkomsten?
Our ancestors be sad to see that we were worshiping a man on a stick nope we going back to our roots so to say.
indeed brother
hail the anceint gods
@@justicebydeathnote Yes we should have not let those missionaries near our continent
a jewish man
@@joannechisholm4501 what continent?
@@fiodorkovacebiijc430 Europe the Druids
Make paganism great again.
No racists allowed.
@duckynadoits not, christianity is racist
Paganism has never allowed racism, that concept didn't even exist back then
@@utkarsh9042how
Love to the pagan community across europe shout from england we are growing
Totally agree, question is how? We can't just sit around and wait for the tide to turn while we have more and more on the islamic side every year! We have to build temples make idols, have something like the delphic maxims to follow along, aside from small internet groups there isn't alot, and all the temples that do exist few that they are are either in construction limbo or on private property.
I’m actually filing for a permit to build a temple on a piece of land behind my house…
So yeah that’s also private property
I appreciate your video. I think abrahamic religions in general dont fit the european true spirit. It has made ppl numb and dull like zombies. And Islam has ruined my ancestors, the Berber. It has brought out the worst in Northafrican culture. Unfortunately most have forgotten our ancient pagan roots, which were ancient egyptian in the east. To the west we always had strong ties to germanic (vandals i.e) and celtic culture, but noone remembers 😢. I was born in Germany by a algerian woman. I left Islam as a kid already. It was fate that I was born here and my mission is to contribute to the revival of norse heathenry❤. Im a full hearted heathen and only then I started feeling really happy and content. I always felt like im an ancient soul and when the heathen allfather appeared to me one night, it was set. Its an experience I will never forget! That night, my spirit animal was shown to me as well, which is the red kite, or Rotmilan in german. Unfortunately in my area i never meet heathens. I love your video and i totally share your thoughts. Greetings from Unterfranken.Heil Odin. Sarah😊
So is there any argument why paganism is the truth and not because it fits my European roots
Here in iran we are back in Zoroastrianism and our ancient!we are with you Europe
We are all together against our enemies that destroying us
Against Abrahamic religions!
That is so good to hear.
When europe was being destroyed by the rise of christianity, some of our artifacts and wisdom was brought to persia to keep it safe.
I have strong faith that your people will cast of the limitations of the abrahamic faiths
Good luck. Coloring outside the religious lines in Iran is a dodgy business.
We never shoulda let the monotheists take over our peoples and destroy our sacred site and our monuments. The temple of uppsala, is now a gods damned church.
Lmao and if your got was real he would have came and saved you guys
If we go by the pagan mentality your gods were just weaker weaker the Christians that's why they got wiped out.
We indians don't need change
Becausr we never been changed
Dit is wat ik nodig heb
That's very pleasant to hear
I assume you're familiar with the work of Thomas Sheridan because your sentiments echo his very closely👍
I am very familiar with his work.
So yeah, he is a big influence.
American pagan here. The Dutch seem so secular by our standards. Interesting perspective here.
Never heard of power animals.
How would a person find their power animal?
Its usually the animal that you feel most connected to.
What animal did you most want to see at the zoo when you were little?
If you dont know the awnser thats ok.
Just ask the question and meditate on it.
Before Islam Christianity Sanatan Dharma 🕉️🚩 Was in the Whole World 🌎 Now People coming back towards it😍
Im a Hindu myself,but Hindusim was limited to South Asia and East Pacific thats it, because India was the and still is most fertile land in whole world ,why would anyone want to leave this beautiful land ,so our ancestors never left that region,China and India were the chief Exporters at that time
Yes the European brother is right
Our old gods are returning the original gods we have just had Beltane in Britain
Europeans dedicated their crafts of excellence in Mesopotamian middle eastern religions for 2000 years. Church edifices borne Dutch craftsmanships and European imaginative artistry. Will neo-paganism go towards beauty or dark black magical expressions? Pursuing beauty improves.
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Give that sweet cow a pet please!🙇♂️
we hebben wel degelijk arenden in Nederland hoor. De zeearend!
Is a believe in the gods required? Or is an appreciation of the old pagan values and culture enough?
It's paganism, dude, not some blind middle eastern faith with their rigid book based ideologies. There are as many ways to worship, or to live the philosophy, as there are pagans.
Holy Cow!
I wouldn't want to start colonialism again, especially since we haven't even stopped it yet, not to say that is what you want
Has there been success?
It’s an ongoing proces
Nice farm!
I’m doing my part
Don't you think people of middle east those you call people of sand had the concept of Gods and temples and living civilised way before you did?when you lived on trees and ate each other?!i am sure atleast you have heard of Sumerians Medes Persians Babylonians and Egyptians!
Lived in trees and ate each other?
One bad batch of meth and the world never lets us live it down!
Where my Celts at 🥺
The churches are all empty ? Dam, bet the mosques are all full to the brim tho !
They are
luckily
@@dutchpagans nope large number of ex-muslims these days. Both churches and mosques are getting empty. traditional religions will grow.
@@samtech9622 sadly
soon the true gods of europa will rise once again its just a matter of time and when i say gods of europa i mean all of them like the celtic gods and of course the all father odin and the norse gods and the all mighty zeus and the greek gods
Lmao they never appeared to save their people what makes you think they'll appear now
@@ghengiskhan9308 a good question tell me what is your opinion on this subject
@@user-rd6ux4bl7i i get that people wanna go for what's European because of their European roots and paganism seems like it is. But I look at it from a more theological standpoint and it doesn't look like it's the truth.
@@ghengiskhan9308 to your original question its not up to the gods to try and save us unlike the christians who pray to the christian god to save them and their souls. there is the diffrence betwenn the gods and the christian god for the christians is pray to god and hope for salvation but for those who belive in the gods they know it is not up to the gods to try and save them as you might say it is up to the people to fight their sturggles in life and they dont pray to the gods for something better or salavation and as far as what european some people just dont belive anymore some god controls their lives and some others just dont like a god who is not from their continent and found meaning in the european gods
@@user-rd6ux4bl7i finding meaning in other gods doesn't mean they're true or real. Just because I feel thefore it's true is not an argument. My point wasent really about that they're assholes and won't come down to save their people but they won't come down to save them because they're simply not real if they were they would maybe show themselves like Jesus did or stop their religion and traditions getting wiped out.
Europe = Greco-Roman World
This is basically just trying to say that the norse gods are our one ”true” religion. It’s not that simple. In my culture (I am nordic) we didn’t have any gods, just spirits and aspects of nature. I feel close to that but it is not rooted in humans, our ancestors loved nature, they weren’t as smart as humans are now, so they tried believing in something. Just like Christianity, europe doesn’t need paganism, especially considering how many different pagan religions europe has had, and how many religious wars it sprung... This video is pretty much just religious mumbling, despite you thinking you’re somehow in the right because you believe in old norse gods
Also why do european people need to be saved? From what? You saying ”make europe pagan again” sounds like you’re just scared of anyone not european...
I did not intend to state that paganism is better then christianity…
Well, it is for me but i have no desire to force paganism onto people
Thats not what paganism is about.
I agree that the: make europe pagan
Sounds like i want to do that.
But it is simply a bold statement
I like bold statements.
Also christ & islam are good for some people
Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.
This video is maily here to say:
200 years ago we couldent have a pagan community for obvious reasons…
I believe 200 years in the future it will be the same
So now we have this oppertunity to create an alternative for the people of europe.
And in doing so, it will revitalize the people
That is what i believe.
That is not what i think everybody should believe…
@@dutchpagans You REALLY need to work on how you present things then. Because this video does come off as ”Paganism good every other religious belief bad”. I think the focus on saying europe specifically isn’t the best either, since especially old norse beliefs nowdays are pretty heavily used by white supremacists aswell (Example, warriors of odin) so yeah, wether or not you like bold statements, it’s good to consider how other people will be viewing your statements, or opinions? whatever they are
@@dutchpagans One more thing to add aswell: Speaking of europe in specific and referring it to as ”the ancestral identities” or whatever does kinda sound like ”norse for the scandis, greek for the grecian folk.” You are dutch yes? Believing in Norse folklore and gods wouldn’t exactly fit you either, just giving this out
@@36vekhs You are clearly misinformed about the nature of our ancestral religion - whether it is hellenist for the greeks, nordic for the scandinavians, or baltic, celtic, slavic, germanic, etc...the myths are the same. They tell the same stories. And when we can apply the tool of philosophy and proper understanding to them, we reach the same theology. Our myths take many forms, but they are one in function and interpretation. As for how YOU sound, you sound like an angsty atheist. It's not 2005 anymore. Time to wake up.
With my respect but you can't force a religion on people just because they were pagan of course you are free to invite people to your way but its not right to say thats the only way yes Europe needs a religion but why cant it be islam or bhudism for example just because its a "forign" religion and by your opinion some one in brazil or something can't be pagan because that religion is forign to him? The same religion you think is the right one... If brazil can be pagan why cant Europe be hindus for example??
pagan just means a religion native to your ancestry. many people in brazil are pagans, indigenous groups in the amazon for example. they're just not european pagan
I’m not for forcing anyone… i am just saying there a vacuüm now, and if we wish we can step forward and in this time, become an alternative to christ & muhammed.
Can europeans be hindu, sure
I myzelf have been a hindu for 3 years.
But the norse gods are something that live in ky blood more then the hindu gods.
I think i was looking for odin, bit i didnt think it was an option to find him, so i went to something that reminded me of him.
So no forcing people…
The european ppl were forced into Christianity (catholic) in the early centuries, you had to be baptised or otherwise you were a heathen and burned , there was no choice, I was raised free but I was in Christian ( Protestant) schools and it was very fine, ppl were very nice, no comment on that, the teachers also were good ppl, than when I was 21 and I lived in a little town in the French Alpes ( Barcelonnette) and there was a Maria Magdalena celebration in the open air , lead by a wonderful kind Priest, and we became friends, he baptised me because I felt I wanted to belong to something back than, I have discussed a lot with him about the bible and all the things I was not happy about and what was in my opinion not good at all, he was very open minded and modern to that, now I am 57, 7 years ago I lost my oldest daughter suddenly, she died of a
cerebral infarction, and I was lost , I’ve found strength in nature, in meditation, i don’t believe in “God’s” , but I do believe there is something more to this life, I believe in reincarnation, I believe in spiritual beings, call me crazy, i don’t care, what I want to say is every individual should have the right to believe their truth, and nobody should convince another, talk about it, talk with each other, respect and accept each other.
@@wilhelminavanessen8496 so sorry for your daughter hope she rests in heaven... I agree to all what you said but there is nothing bad to guide others to something you found comforting i tried norse paganism for a year and. It was cool i loved the old gods but i felt it was incomplete somethings didnt make sense yet it lead me to islam which surprisingly have alot in common with paganism than Christianity, the archives were complete it gives purpose and fair judgments and now i really find joy helping people out with their faith and correcting stereotypes about islam
@@wolf-kissed666 Religion is also tied to culture in a way. And Islam is not native to Europa, and has no place here, unlike christianity or paganism, since they developed in Europe with european cultures and way of life.
It's all so ridiculous. There is no god, no gods and no goddesses.
A quote from Chesterton comes to mind. He was an idiot because he was a Catholic, but he was right when he said:
“When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing, they believe in everything.”
It seems that the New Atheists (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens etc) are too optimistic about human nature
Shut it we going back to our roots and kicking out this single god from the other side of the world. Europe was doing great before man on the stick worshipers stuck there nose in our Continent.
prove it
Call it stupid if you want, but I'd rather believe what my ancestors believe 1000 years ago than think I'm nothing more than an accident of nature.
atheist moment
I used to be anti-theistic like you, then some spiritual shit happened that I couldnt explain. Immediately knew it was odin. Prayed to him afterwards, seemed like I got a response. Kept praying, kept getting responses. Started divinating runes, they've told the truth every time I've done it. Even predicted my ex fiance leaving me and the death of my unborn daughter. Did dmt, and I saw them clear as day, even saw what the human soul is; the electro-magnetic pattern that flows between each and every nerve ending from the squishy think meat in your skull to the tips of your toes. Can't scientifically explain how this shit works cuz idk the scientific mechanisms behind it. Could be quantum entaglement type shit. The gods don't exist absent from the rules of reality and physics; quite the opposite. They exist fully within them, which is how they are able to use them like we've been able to use electricity and radioactive wavelengths beamed across the world to communicate like we are now. The gods've been around for billions of years, so they can do shit that still seems like magic to us.
This Bible verse for you......
" Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. "
(Psalms 50:22)
please explain this in normal english?
idk the meaning the of lest i tear you in pieces and there be none to deliver
Before your imported desert god came we were doing ok yes we know of his origins. How many of the European people died that defended their native religion. The Christians deliberately built churches on top of the ancestors graves and stole our Festivals to make it their own so we convert faster.
What because we forget about him he's gonna rip us to shreds. I read this book of yours. Thou shall have have no other gods before me because I am a jealous god 😅. Mm yes we can see that.
Who needs the devil when the Christian god exists amirite
@@joannechisholm4501 at least our god came down and showed himself unlike the pagan gods who didn't didn't come down to save their own people or religion from being wiped out. So by pagan standards Christianity is the better religion because they wiped out the pagan gods. And our god is jealous out of love not a selfish jealousy.