I have a Tesla X. Happy with it until I saw the Y. The Y will do everything I need it to do. But the downside is the range on the Y comparatively to the X… (I do a fair amount of long distance driving). The matter for me is that Tesla still has the infrastructure. And yes, they’re opening it to other car makes. But gosh darn - the infrastructure is the biggest thing for me right now.
Tested the non-RS Vorpsrung in June. Phenomenal car! If it weren't for the price I'd be upgrading from my B9 S4 asap. Residuals are strong, likely to stay that way for the time being, but as soon as I can, for me it's the Audi all the way.
One reason I don't have a problem with these expensive EVs coming out is the fact that people buying these are effectively funding the R&D which will eventually be used in more affordable EVs that a normal person can buy
Yep. Tech is trickling down to cheaper models. Example. ACC premiered in expensive cars, now you can have it in a Golf. It has been like that for a long time.
Jack is by far my favourite car review presenter. Beautiful voice that’s a joy to listen to. A touch of fun and humour always even when he’s not deliberately being funny. Very intelligent analysis without being dry. Passionate. Informative. Whenever I see he has posted I always watch.
Incredible machine, but I have to truly admit that Jack is an incredible presenter, "eats corners for breakfast". More cars and more of Jack of please...
Jack is such a revelation to this channel. Positivity, creativity, he’s super engaging… what a coup to land him from his old channel. Thanks for the great review. PS - I had the exact same murcielago moment, Manchester China town aged 9, that incredible orange livery 😍
Yeah the Tesla build quality is a massive issue I rode in one and the interior plastic was like what you get when you buy the cheapest vacuum cleaner at K-mart
@@JackScarlett1 wow there... well I suppose thats yet another kind of audience to attract to the cause. Lol. Brave of you to "take one for the crew" so to speak.. Great video, great countryside & great production. Well worth my monthly support all these years. Keep up the good work.
I jumped off the Audi ship to move to TESLA because of the lack of EVs in the pipeline. Now that I have my EV, I'm watching Audi finally do what I had hoped they'd do years ago. I won't switch back just yet, but at least more options are coming and that's just good news all around.
If you're from the Audi ship I'd assume you'd be fine with other Volkswagen group brands And with the ways things are going with the Porsche Rimac partnership, and the Co ownership of Bugatti, The next time you switch back to German, it's gonna be wayyy better
@@rmdhn1 or hold on to the tesla roadster. Buy ev from who knows ev. You don't buy speakers from Logitech if you want sound. Works yes, but not optimal.
Or you could press one button in the model S (same one every time, without looking) and say "I'm cold" or "climate 21°" without the German lady saying she doesn't understand...... Maybe?
@@rogerstarkey5390 As a northerner who can never get any voice control system ever to understand them I'd rather there was a knob that I can twist left for colder and right for warmer without me having to cope with screaming angrily at the car just to make the windscreen wipers come on. Tesla didn't put screens in because they're better, they did it because they're cheaper and Tesla are corner cutters (also see under non-auto spec screens that go yellow, beading in windows that allows water in, parts not painted etc). They're phenomenal drive trains in very, very mediocre cars and I will never understand why people are prepared to pay £40k plus for something that shoddy.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I really don't like using voice activated systems. I like to be able to control exactly what my car is doing instead of hoping the computer will not only hear me right but also correctly interpret the meaning. Also, it would be kind of obnoxious to use voice control especially if someone is trying to sleep in the car.
I have a plaid reservation. I have test driven the taycan and couldn’t get on with all the buttons ;-). I’d like to drive the Audi but every time I think of not getting the tesla I realise what you buy is what you get and that’s it, where as I just saw the plaid get a software update for improved suspension, all things can be changed and improved and made better over time and I can’t get away from the idea of having a car that improves. The finish of the taycan and Audi are lovely but there’s something so appealing about the plaid…purely my opinion and people will be wildly different so no need for any vitriol in the comments.
Blimey! At last. A really good looking electric Audi. And the elephant in the room feature. No fake ICE car grille. Or let's say no easily discernible fake ICE grille. And all the better for it. Now what about that all important range and efficiency? Conclusion for me? I'm a nerd, so I am always going to prefer a computer on wheels. A Tesla Plaid S please.
He has not experienced the refreshed model s interior. That is meant to be a step up. For 130k sports gt. do you want 600hp or 1000hp? Just ask in for a friend.
@@colinpalmer9070 Configurator alone shows you Plaid interior is not a 130k GT. 5 options. For the whole car. It may be fast but it’s certainly not premium.
@@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 I never thought I would find someone who has bought into the “Porsche tax” scheme. Even diehard Porschephiles recognize that infinite options list as a scam. Doubling the list price with “personalizations” only doubles the depreciation and your lease cost/loan payments. There’s already a thriving premium aftermarket for cars with reversible mods.
@@Markle2k Who’s talking about doubling the price? No one. Being able to spec things you want is key when buying at this price level. Plaid misses that by a mile. I can spec an RSGT or Taycan Turbo with the things I want and it’s still the same price as a Plaid.
@@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 Have you seen any reviews of the Taycan “Turbo” S? By the time you option it up with the desirable options, not including matching seatbelts and buckles or badge deletes, it nearly doubles the price.
Love the ID car stick! Laughed so hard! I feel exactly the same same way, and as you said the Audi interior just works. At 250KPH on the autobahn all the controls you need are always at the tip of your fingers. It is such an impressive car.
100% agree re Avant Jack, it would make this monster perfect. Superb review mate, well done! (lol, I called you "mate" when I said that I hated that last weekend!) Cheers! Rob.
The pre-emptive comment answers were fun, I drive a "family sized hatchback" and enjoy driving. I don't want a self-driving car; for me I'd get the train or take a bus (at a quiet time currently due to Covid-19). I'm unlikely to be able to buy one of these cars but would if my circumstances changed. Excellent production values from the Fully Charged Show team and thanks Jack - keep having fun.
@@fullychargedshow I stand by my comment about having more electric vans, as much as these huge GTs May be driven, last few miles electric vans seem to be driven 14 hours a day 👍🏻
Up for Jack, Up for for Fully Charged. Audi, well. You can make one more super expensive car, and we can wait until one of the Chinese competitors will be here :).
Looks brown to me. Just needs some green blobs to be full military camouflage spec. Shape they couldn't make the door handles flush for better aero efficiency. The Tesla Model S will be more practical (hatchback) and have better range - 405 miles; more space; plus the advantage of the Tesla supercharger network; and faster if you go for the plaid version. Or you could choose the Lucid Air if you don't like the Tesla yolk steering wheel - 517 miles of range; over 1000 horsepower; 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds; Dolby Atmos sound system; vehicle to home bi-directional charging etc. (should be available in the USA in October - rumour has it.
Having sat in quite a few of the new ‘higher quality’ EVs at the FullyCharged show this weekend I felt in those that the enclosed cockpit feel was really claustrophobic. When I got back into my model 3 I felt relaxed in the clutter less spacious interior. This car is that claustrophobic type. I would easily take the Model S!
I take your point - once you experience the airiness of something like a model 3 it's hard to go back from. The lack of Pano sunroof certainly didn't help in the case of this Audi. Is still an exquisite cabin though
Really good, enjoyable and informative video. Really liking Jack as a presenter and love your music choice for this vid; not in the least inspired by Daft Punk's Tron Legacy soundtrack at all! 😁 Oh, the car looks pretty cool also.
Absolutely bloody fantastic! A zillion light years out of my price range, but totally agree with all your points, which are so well put. Stunning production, spectacular filming and superb, informative and entertaining narrative. Love it! PS. Tactical Green eh? I might prefer mine in Prudent Purple. There must be more of these ...
From experience, the reality of crossing a continent (e.g. Europe) in an electric car is that you'd want a Tesla, even though they're ugly and not new, because the charging infrastructure just works.
Really good and entertaining video of a high-end car I will never buy. As mentioned in a comment below, the people buying these will help fund the development of and test-bed the tech for cheaper cars in the range. What intrigues me is that the traditional ICE versions of very expensive cars don’t seem to reach old age very often, apart from those that get picked up by an enthusiast. They are so complex and expensive to fix when they get old that a 20 year old BMW 7 or Jag XJ for example gets scrapped before a similar age and mileage Toyota for example. But with so many fewer components and sub-systems it should be possible to keep high-end EVs on the road for much longer before they are no longer worth the candle to repair. It will be interesting to see how things work out as EVs age.
Great video but a few terrible points, specifically the bit in response to the critics of it being another big expensive EV. You are right that “we need all shapes and sizes of EV”, but that only backs the critics pointing out we already have the Taycan, the Model S, the EQS, etc in this size and price point. And looking at your video list, the latest 10 reviews of UK destined cars is this, the Model Y, the EQS, Q4 E-tron, EV6, Polestar 2, I-Pace, XC40, Enyaq and ID.4, only of which the last 2 you might be able to argue as “affordable”. The point isn’t that we’re killjoys and don’t think cars like the E-Tron RS shouldn’t be built. But we do think the whole culture and ethos of this TH-cam channel that Robert built is that society should be moving to electric for environmental and ethical reasons and the car manufacturers clearly aren’t quite on the same page yet. No one wants to prevent you from having fun and hooning around in your expensive press cars, but that isn’t quite creating the industrial revolution we’re striving for now is it?
A fair and well-articulated comment. Please believe that I am as frustrated as anyone by the lack of cheap, accessible EVs and I look forward to covering them as/when they arrive. To that end, you'll be pleased to know we did a full ep on the VW ID. Life Concept which debuted at the Munich motor show this week (vid coming later this week) and I'm moving heaven and Earth to get a drive in a Dacia Spring asap. We're very aware of the disproportionate number of high-end EVs we've covered of late. It's more a reflection of the new electric cars are coming out than the new cars we feel are most important - but nonetheless we're working hard to ensure our output is more balanced going forward.
Great review, Personally just can’t see why you would buy this Audi over the Porsche, if your in this price bracket, Porsche looks much better, just my opinion( which is right, of course 🤔)
It's not that good looking IMO. Automotive design seems to have democratised inasmuch as there are some wonderful designs at the mid to low end, and what seems like a creative malaise at the high end. Exciting bits of plastic and LED strips are fairly easy to produce, it seems. Does Audi make office chairs?
Great video, well done. Enjoyed it a lot! Having less than ideal rear seat and trunk space is the price one pays for a wow-inducing car … just look at how far in the glass is from the body. Beauty!
Robert you found yourself a damn good presenter with Jack! Jack, just please don't let the previous statement go to your head and make yourself another Johnny or Rory (both damn fine presenters in their own right). I can honestly see the combination of you two growing this channel into a multi million subscriber channel in your own view!
Jack, the other point you forgot to mention about expensive cars is the dribble down effect... advances in technology arrive in the expensive cars, then companies recoup their R&D costs and the technologies eventually become standard in all cars. Look at ABS, ESC, and more currently the recent advances in lane departure warning, active cruise control etc. All these technologies started in the high end vehicles and over time have become standard and even required in some instances.
Superb video. I remember watching this a year ago just as I placed my order for a GT Quattro which is a stunning car. In the last month I've been hugely fortunate to upgrade into the RS Carbon Vorsprung, mainly being tempted by the stronger residuals in the RS car but my god, both tranches of the GT are astonishing machines. Totally agree with your review, it's not without it's limitations but so impressive to see what can be done to make EV's desirable, fun and certainly makes the future promising.
With the 800v architecture and 15 min charging stops, the range is more than enough. I love my GT and currently can't think of anything else i would rather have as a daily. Did a trip to Spain and back at xmas and it was just sublime.
Definitely re-engaging with FC now that Jack is on board, great presenter, great production. As for the Audi, I've seen one in the flesh and it is a hugely impressive looking thing for sure. But for me, given the competition its now up against with EV6 and Mustang etc it really does need another 75 miles or so of autonomy
Enjoyed the video - as usual. Thank goodness the car was too wide for the car wash! Would have done all sorts of nastiness to the paintwork. Close call.
Great vid, you nailed it with your third prediction; most of us can’t afford it. I loved your vid about the city 3 wheeler but most of us want to know about practical, affordable cars that will probably be our first, nervous step to EVs. I enjoy seeing what is possible, but more affordable stuff please.
My first step was an egolf…it was nervous as was completely new and had to navigate new experiences/charging etc. my second much easier step was into a model 3 - game changer. My next step will be the model s plaid. I always thought I would want a little weekend car for fun as a homage to combustion…once you get an EV, you just don’t want to go back. It’s superior in almost every metric.
Why no shows about affordable EVs? There isn't one. With the assembly line, Ford brought the Model T down to 3-4 months US national average wage. With closed-shop repairs, coded non-interchangeable parts, software lock-ins, and microscopic scratches 'wrecking' residual value by lender's definition, the dealers, finance companies, and insurers have got us all stitched up. Until we're out of that grip, there will be no 'people's car'. My own (quite possibly worthless) guess is that the first equivalent is some way off... it will be non-owned, autonomous, and Chinese.
Not many companies know what to do with the shape of the front of their electric car. I would not buy this Audi because of its front (and other reasons)
They're in a difficult spot because people don't like change and they are used to having a grille at the front so that the stinkwater engine doesn't melt itself, so have nothing and people don't like it, have a grille (like, to be fair, my MG5 has) and EV people don't like it. Eventually we'll get away from this design language, but it's going to take time.
3:40 this is why I support Fully Charged financially. This is to get that kind of message and transparency and honesty from the team. You won't get that from any other channel, even from FC alumni. Very important messaging. Also realized Jack has a flawless French accent when endulging in his "penchant" for bigger wheels. Got me chuckling while eating my baguette 🥖. Also, thanks for using Tron Legacy soundtrack that well, fitting for the e-tron, saw what you did there in the editing room guys ;)
I had an Audi 80 donkey's years ago that I thought was grey, but was apparently a shade of blue according to the papers. "Tactical green" to me looked very like the vaguely mustard yellow my daughter left in her nappies as a baby...
Hands up in the taking life too seriously club. The vast majority of drivers are in economy cars and having alternatives for them will be a much bigger effect on emissions. Anyone else?
Without doubt! And we'll be covering the small cheap stuff too, rest assured. We're actually in Munich for the motor show now and have a full vid coming very soon on VW's sub-£20,000 compact EV
@@JackScarlett1 It's the man himself. Thanks for the reply, but unlike you I've almost zero interest in cars apart from the tech. The proportion of economy cars to luxury needs to shift really quickly. As other FC shows have said it'll probably take numerous Chinese models to end the slow intro of new models by legacy carmakers who are covering their bottom line as long as possible.
@@TadeuszCantwell indeed mate. To take the Munich motor show (where I currently am) as an example): lots of lovely cheap EV concepts on show from Western car makers - all 4 years from production. Meanwhile the Chinese economy cars on show all arrive next year or sooner...
Having got a Tesla MS P100D took it out for a test drive to see if it would be a replacement for when my lease ends. Good bit: Painted well. Panel gaps which are much better than my MS. General fit nd finish are all good. Head up display - this is really handy in an EV without the engine pitch directly related to the roadspeed. Keeping to the speedlimit particularly in urban areas requires constant checking so having the current speed and current limit in your line of sight is great. Supportive front seats. 360 camera - so useful in a big car with expensive wheels. Why Tesla can't manage this when even a Leaf has it I don't know. Rear steering - the dealer I test drove from has a tight parking space and it was amazingly easy to slot into a space. Performance - pretty impressive, but I've been spoilt. The linearity and instant responsiveness of the MS is the gold standard. Ride quality is excellent and it handled some rough roads amazingly well. I've got the pre-raven non adaptive suspension and its a hard ride on 21" wheels. This is so much better. Also feels like the handling is good, although I didn't get an oportunity to test this properly due to the dealer keeping me most of the time in suburbia. It will be interesting to compare with the Polestar with the Ohlins which was amazing. The bad bits: It looks like they forgot to finish the front of the car. Even with the optional (cost) extra painted front oval there is still a load of black plastic. This is the worst style part of the car. The rest is not bad. Obviously a subjective thing. Ultimately they have finally made an iPhone but are trying to make it feel like a Nokia. Big center console for the transmission tunnel which isn't there. But the two worst bits are the internal sound which you can't turn off only "subdue". It rumbles the speaker as you pull away to simulate the clutch engaging and the engine labouring then continues with some fake rumbly whine. No option to make it nice a quiet. I don't want it to feel like an old fashioned ICE car. Then there is the regen - take your foot off the go peddle and it just rolls like you're in neutral. You have to swap back and forth all the time to adjust your speed. You don't have engine breaking like in an ICE car even. It's a lot less relaxing and feels again like they don't want to embrace the advantages of EVs. I don't like the mass of buttons and dials of all random shapes and size spread liberally everywhere around the cabin. Again it just feel like a Blackberry/Nokia in the iPhone age. Screens are again old school and small coming from a Tesla. Only the Ford Mach-E is close. Audi has lots of menus, sub menus etc. The need a modern UI designer to help them, and a Tesla for a few weeks/long trips. You need to be able to easily see on the screen the map, charge stops, how long for. Boot enterance is so small for such a large car. Having just done a "GT tour" to Cornwall from Essex with the family for a week there was no way we would have taken half what we got in our MS. Chatting to an E-Tron driver at a stop also doing the trip from Essex she said the range and charging infrastructure added a few hours adn stress levels to the journey. Stopping at a broken charger she said she looked longingly at a row of Tesla superchargers nearby. Rear seat headroom may well be the thing that ultimately rules it out for our family as my son is almost 6 foot. Agree with the review it's just too cramped. You'd bang you head on the side roof bar on every bend - much like the Polestar. Home changing there didn't seem to be an easy way of setting the charge time, stop time. Again if you actually use an EV as a dialy driver and home chanrge you know you want to be on a cheap night time tariff (like Octopus GO). Also you can't seem to set the charge speed, again important for those with home Solar PV where you match the charge level to the excess from your solar rather than sending it back onto the grid E.g. I might have 2Kw spare but I don't want to charge the car at full speed ie 7Kw as I'd be paying the expensive day rate for the extra 5Kw. Little things which Tesla have added are missing like remembering where you set the suspension / fold mirrors so when you arrive there again it changes. At the deal there is a steep ramp and I put the car up both times I took the car out, but it doesn't geotag. Dashcam is something like a £700-800 optional extra, but Tesla just added it with a free software update and a £10 USB drive off Amazon. Range / efficiency seemes low for a car with such a large battery. If Tesla ever start selling the MS in the UK again I would replace mine with another one when my current lease ends. But if it's not arriving until late next year I might have to consider this car. I didn't get to see the App and the dealer was unable to demonstrate it. I showed them my Tesla app and how I could control lots of things from the phone which turns out to be super handy. I can remotely unlock it and allow people to drive it, start/stop charging, see it's location/speed etc on a map. and a load more things.
I would probably choose the new model S as the interior has had a complete overhaul and looks really nice now and the build quality should be a lot better too, if the model 3 made in China is anything to go by. I also prefer the feeling of space in a car. The Audi looks like your getting into a coffin. I'll never be able to afford any of these cars, nice to dream though. Keep up the good work Jack.
Errm🤔 Those three Statements you were expecting..,Absolutely Bang On Target!!!! Bloody well sussed 👏👏👏👍 What's a little bit more worrying though is that I'm starting to like your presentations, your pretty good without the lunatic fringe of Robert Exploding in an unnecessary rant about practically sod all. As for the Car, well if Audi can't get it right who the hell can? VW to my mind have already lost the plot but Audi has always been on a different planet anyway and this car is good! Never mind the comparisons to a Porsche, it'll be far cheaper anyway. Thanks for doing the Video.
There are two ways of making that car more appealing to me, 1: Make the avant 2: make it a two plus two by removing the rear doors and a couple of feet from the wheelbase
But this has physical buttons for everyday functions, which imo make it betters and is almost a 1:1 reproduction of the prototype (the Taycan lost the inverted rear doors from the Mission E and some details from the ligths and front fascia). I think that over time the Taycan would be more classic (because round curves age better than straigth lines and angles), but at the moment the E-Tron GT looks better and has better quality of life ergonomics to me. I also would 100% chose a Q8 over a Cayenne: I don't like the look of most of current Audis, but the e-tron, e-tron gt and the Q8 are superb in design to me.
This car costs 140,000 Euros or 140,000 USD before options. I just downloaded the pricelist from the German AUDI website. It is 100 pages long - I kid you not - insane. For fun I tried to make a fully loaded version but ignoring the several pages of options for Audi service connectivity and added warranties. It comes to 50,000 Euros (49,895) it seems (I may have made mistakes - without a consultant it is impossible not to). With delivery charges, one day spent studying the pricelist, one day spent at the dealer you are basically looking at a 200,000 USD car. You can get a fully loaded Tesla Model S Plaid for less than 150,000 and a fully loaded Model S Long Range for less than 110,000. Either one is better, as far as I can judge, by nearly every metric than this AUDI.
"officially taking life too seriously" ... love that point as its so true. Plus the early adopters have to pay a premium and the high end are willing to do that and then the tech can become more affordable for the rest of us.
Great video Jack and what a great looking car. I did have aTesla P100D and agree that the interior and finish is just not good enough for the price you pay.
LG batteries but not the same exact type i believe, so as far as we know no real risk there. We shall see, fingers crossed it's just the one product line for LG that is a mess.
Which would you choose? Tesla, Porsche or Audi?
A Nissan leaf as I can barely afford that! lol
Tesla!
I have a Tesla X. Happy with it until I saw the Y. The Y will do everything I need it to do. But the downside is the range on the Y comparatively to the X… (I do a fair amount of long distance driving). The matter for me is that Tesla still has the infrastructure. And yes, they’re opening it to other car makes. But gosh darn - the infrastructure is the biggest thing for me right now.
None of them, and I don't understand why Fully Charged is wasting time on a completely useless car to ordinary people. Very uninteresting episode.
Tested the non-RS Vorpsrung in June. Phenomenal car! If it weren't for the price I'd be upgrading from my B9 S4 asap. Residuals are strong, likely to stay that way for the time being, but as soon as I can, for me it's the Audi all the way.
One reason I don't have a problem with these expensive EVs coming out is the fact that people buying these are effectively funding the R&D which will eventually be used in more affordable EVs that a normal person can buy
R&D for more affordable EV's? The Leaf's been out for 10 years! Not the best car, but where's the Audi A1(e)?
@@computerbob06 and they still haven't made a proper battery pack for it.
Since when have you been able to afford an Audi or Porsche?
Yep. Tech is trickling down to cheaper models. Example. ACC premiered in expensive cars, now you can have it in a Golf. It has been like that for a long time.
@@TheShoobah tech trickle down is in everything, it's not new.
Jack is by far my favourite car review presenter. Beautiful voice that’s a joy to listen to. A touch of fun and humour always even when he’s not deliberately being funny. Very intelligent analysis without being dry. Passionate. Informative. Whenever I see he has posted I always watch.
Incredible machine, but I have to truly admit that Jack is an incredible presenter, "eats corners for breakfast". More cars and more of Jack of please...
10h of filming and text scripts and you can make any duchebag a brilliant presenter 😃
@@tomasFL like yourself
and no doubt eat tyres too!!
@@AbdussSami hurt feelings? Head to the closest safe zone!
Funny quip about the very non-vegan EV.
Jack is such a revelation to this channel. Positivity, creativity, he’s super engaging… what a coup to land him from his old channel. Thanks for the great review.
PS - I had the exact same murcielago moment, Manchester China town aged 9, that incredible orange livery 😍
You never forget your first Murci! Glad you enjoyed the vid mate
@@JackScarlett1 Great job on the channel! Love your work.
He still does some stuff on electroheads I think
Agreed! He’s fabulous but they also had a lightning strike because his onscreen chemistry with Robert is amazing to watch.
Yeah the Tesla build quality is a massive issue I rode in one and the interior plastic was like what you get when you buy the cheapest vacuum cleaner at K-mart
Nice work on the video production, every episode is turning out like the best that Top Gear could do.
Thanks mate. Our video team are the best in the biz 👏
@@JackScarlett1 I really did not need to see a huge flash of red underpants. Only marginally better than a flash of plumbers crack.
@@brodiewolstenholme3086 My apologies Brodie, I'll remember to wear my suspenders for the next shoot
@@JackScarlett1 wow there... well I suppose thats yet another kind of audience to attract to the cause. Lol. Brave of you to "take one for the crew" so to speak.. Great video, great countryside & great production.
Well worth my monthly support all these years. Keep up the good work.
I jumped off the Audi ship to move to TESLA because of the lack of EVs in the pipeline. Now that I have my EV, I'm watching Audi finally do what I had hoped they'd do years ago. I won't switch back just yet, but at least more options are coming and that's just good news all around.
If you're from the Audi ship I'd assume you'd be fine with other Volkswagen group brands
And with the ways things are going with the Porsche Rimac partnership, and the Co ownership of Bugatti,
The next time you switch back to German, it's gonna be wayyy better
@@rmdhn1 or hold on to the tesla roadster. Buy ev from who knows ev. You don't buy speakers from Logitech if you want sound. Works yes, but not optimal.
this is a lazy Tycan. If you must have an Audi, wait for something original?
@StayTuned you might be the first Tesla owner I’ve heard even admitting that any other car could compare to a Tesla. Well done sir
Yeah audi a6 e tron is looking really good or those concepts they just released which go on sale in 2025
Jack is such a great addition to the Fully Charged team - a proper car review and great production - which moor road is that?
Appreciate the campaign to stop removing buttons
I really appreciate the physical climate control buttons... why is this so rare in EVs these days?
Because physical buttons and all the associated wiring add cost and add weight compared to the buttons and switches that don't exist.
Or you could press one button in the model S (same one every time, without looking) and say "I'm cold" or "climate 21°" without the German lady saying she doesn't understand...... Maybe?
It's a fashion because Tesla did an actually good touch screen.
Give it a generation or two, and they will have gone again, hopefully.
@@rogerstarkey5390 As a northerner who can never get any voice control system ever to understand them I'd rather there was a knob that I can twist left for colder and right for warmer without me having to cope with screaming angrily at the car just to make the windscreen wipers come on. Tesla didn't put screens in because they're better, they did it because they're cheaper and Tesla are corner cutters (also see under non-auto spec screens that go yellow, beading in windows that allows water in, parts not painted etc). They're phenomenal drive trains in very, very mediocre cars and I will never understand why people are prepared to pay £40k plus for something that shoddy.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I really don't like using voice activated systems. I like to be able to control exactly what my car is doing instead of hoping the computer will not only hear me right but also correctly interpret the meaning. Also, it would be kind of obnoxious to use voice control especially if someone is trying to sleep in the car.
I have a plaid reservation. I have test driven the taycan and couldn’t get on with all the buttons ;-). I’d like to drive the Audi but every time I think of not getting the tesla I realise what you buy is what you get and that’s it, where as I just saw the plaid get a software update for improved suspension, all things can be changed and improved and made better over time and I can’t get away from the idea of having a car that improves. The finish of the taycan and Audi are lovely but there’s something so appealing about the plaid…purely my opinion and people will be wildly different so no need for any vitriol in the comments.
taycan has buttons? you tripping?
Vitriol
I must be officially taking life too seriously, or maybe I’m just jealous!
The 2nd option... just like me.
Blimey! At last. A really good looking electric Audi. And the elephant in the room feature. No fake ICE car grille. Or let's say no easily discernible fake ICE grille. And all the better for it. Now what about that all important range and efficiency? Conclusion for me? I'm a nerd, so I am always going to prefer a computer on wheels. A Tesla Plaid S please.
He’s never driven the Plaid but still ranks and rates it. Very knowledgeable.
He has not experienced the refreshed model s interior. That is meant to be a step up. For 130k sports gt. do you want 600hp or 1000hp? Just ask in for a friend.
@@colinpalmer9070 Configurator alone shows you Plaid interior is not a 130k GT. 5 options. For the whole car. It may be fast but it’s certainly not premium.
@@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 I never thought I would find someone who has bought into the “Porsche tax” scheme. Even diehard Porschephiles recognize that infinite options list as a scam. Doubling the list price with “personalizations” only doubles the depreciation and your lease cost/loan payments. There’s already a thriving premium aftermarket for cars with reversible mods.
@@Markle2k Who’s talking about doubling the price? No one. Being able to spec things you want is key when buying at this price level. Plaid misses that by a mile.
I can spec an RSGT or Taycan Turbo with the things I want and it’s still the same price as a Plaid.
@@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 Have you seen any reviews of the Taycan “Turbo” S? By the time you option it up with the desirable options, not including matching seatbelts and buckles or badge deletes, it nearly doubles the price.
one of THEE best videos fully charged have done so far well done jack, the presentation quality was outstanding and what a car :)
Indeed, as was the production quality. Taken to a whole new level!
Excellent video as always. Jack's videos have taken fully charged to a whole new level
Completely agree, much more engaging.
You're right, Jack. That intro was really cool. You're absolutely right. You keep on being you, Jack.
Jack is an amazing presenter, and production on this was outstanding
Love the ID car stick! Laughed so hard! I feel exactly the same same way, and as you said the Audi interior just works. At 250KPH on the autobahn all the controls you need are always at the tip of your fingers. It is such an impressive car.
Wow. That was a great film. Probably the best Fully Charged episode yet.
the best Fully Charged episode was the Mercedes EQS.
Jack has made car reviews on Fully charged something worth watching although I didn’t mind Robert either. Well done.
Also shoutout to the careman and editor, video quality was amazing!
The presponse to batey comments was just perfect
Jack, you are really a good presenter, as Audi RS etron is a really good looking car.!
It's not a very space efficient vehicle innit? Almost 2.5 tons and seats barely four people
100% agree re Avant Jack, it would make this monster perfect. Superb review mate, well done!
(lol, I called you "mate" when I said that I hated that last weekend!) Cheers!
Rob.
Huagggh
Great vid. Nice car. Can't afford it. Never will affort it. But glad it there, none-the-less.
SAME
Had to scroll too far down for this lol
The pre-emptive comment answers were fun, I drive a "family sized hatchback" and enjoy driving. I don't want a self-driving car; for me I'd get the train or take a bus (at a quiet time currently due to Covid-19). I'm unlikely to be able to buy one of these cars but would if my circumstances changed. Excellent production values from the Fully Charged Show team and thanks Jack - keep having fun.
"It didn't fit in the carwash..."
I lol'd!
That looks really nice. Brilliant review. Thanks
Haha, I commented on Twitter a few hours ago “oh good, another big expensive car”, luckily I had prefixed it with “I will enjoy this video but”
I saw...
@@fullychargedshow I stand by my comment about having more electric vans, as much as these huge GTs May be driven, last few miles electric vans seem to be driven 14 hours a day 👍🏻
It's not a GT. The Tesla s has better GT credentials because the charging networks allows you to actually tour.
'Tis a sweat looking ride though...
Interesting.
When my wife replys with interesting... She means be quiet.
Up for Jack, Up for for Fully Charged. Audi, well. You can make one more super expensive car, and we can wait until one of the Chinese competitors will be here :).
Looks brown to me. Just needs some green blobs to be full military camouflage spec. Shape they couldn't make the door handles flush for better aero efficiency. The Tesla Model S will be more practical (hatchback) and have better range - 405 miles; more space; plus the advantage of the Tesla supercharger network; and faster if you go for the plaid version. Or you could choose the Lucid Air if you don't like the Tesla yolk steering wheel - 517 miles of range; over 1000 horsepower; 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds; Dolby Atmos sound system; vehicle to home bi-directional charging etc. (should be available in the USA in October - rumour has it.
Bomchikawahwah....That's a car...great video Jack and Team FC
Having sat in quite a few of the new ‘higher quality’ EVs at the FullyCharged show this weekend I felt in those that the enclosed cockpit feel was really claustrophobic. When I got back into my model 3 I felt relaxed in the clutter less spacious interior. This car is that claustrophobic type. I would easily take the Model S!
I take your point - once you experience the airiness of something like a model 3 it's hard to go back from. The lack of Pano sunroof certainly didn't help in the case of this Audi. Is still an exquisite cabin though
Yes that’s exactly how I felt.
Really good, enjoyable and informative video. Really liking Jack as a presenter and love your music choice for this vid; not in the least inspired by Daft Punk's Tron Legacy soundtrack at all! 😁
Oh, the car looks pretty cool also.
Tick!
That colour would called 'cow pat' green on the Farrow and Ball paint chart
Absolutely bloody fantastic! A zillion light years out of my price range, but totally agree with all your points, which are so well put. Stunning production, spectacular filming and superb, informative and entertaining narrative. Love it!
PS. Tactical Green eh? I might prefer mine in Prudent Purple. There must be more of these ...
From experience, the reality of crossing a continent (e.g. Europe) in an electric car is that you'd want a Tesla, even though they're ugly and not new, because the charging infrastructure just works.
Really good and entertaining video of a high-end car I will never buy. As mentioned in a comment below, the people buying these will help fund the development of and test-bed the tech for cheaper cars in the range. What intrigues me is that the traditional ICE versions of very expensive cars don’t seem to reach old age very often, apart from those that get picked up by an enthusiast. They are so complex and expensive to fix when they get old that a 20 year old BMW 7 or Jag XJ for example gets scrapped before a similar age and mileage Toyota for example. But with so many fewer components and sub-systems it should be possible to keep high-end EVs on the road for much longer before they are no longer worth the candle to repair. It will be interesting to see how things work out as EVs age.
Great video but a few terrible points, specifically the bit in response to the critics of it being another big expensive EV. You are right that “we need all shapes and sizes of EV”, but that only backs the critics pointing out we already have the Taycan, the Model S, the EQS, etc in this size and price point. And looking at your video list, the latest 10 reviews of UK destined cars is this, the Model Y, the EQS, Q4 E-tron, EV6, Polestar 2, I-Pace, XC40, Enyaq and ID.4, only of which the last 2 you might be able to argue as “affordable”. The point isn’t that we’re killjoys and don’t think cars like the E-Tron RS shouldn’t be built. But we do think the whole culture and ethos of this TH-cam channel that Robert built is that society should be moving to electric for environmental and ethical reasons and the car manufacturers clearly aren’t quite on the same page yet. No one wants to prevent you from having fun and hooning around in your expensive press cars, but that isn’t quite creating the industrial revolution we’re striving for now is it?
A fair and well-articulated comment. Please believe that I am as frustrated as anyone by the lack of cheap, accessible EVs and I look forward to covering them as/when they arrive. To that end, you'll be pleased to know we did a full ep on the VW ID. Life Concept which debuted at the Munich motor show this week (vid coming later this week) and I'm moving heaven and Earth to get a drive in a Dacia Spring asap. We're very aware of the disproportionate number of high-end EVs we've covered of late. It's more a reflection of the new electric cars are coming out than the new cars we feel are most important - but nonetheless we're working hard to ensure our output is more balanced going forward.
Awesome car. I'm really happy they left in physical buttons. Nice review. Keep up the good work.
Whoever did the sound design must have been watching Tron Legacy recently. I like it
I have…
Great review, Personally just can’t see why you would buy this Audi over the Porsche, if your in this price bracket, Porsche looks much better, just my opinion( which is right, of course 🤔)
This was an excellent car review. Fully charged really nailing the videos lately.
Very kind of you
Thank You for all of your videos that you did. I am enjoying all of them
Jack, you were on point on electroheads, but now you are on another level.
Jack is brilliant
It's not that good looking IMO. Automotive design seems to have democratised inasmuch as there are some wonderful designs at the mid to low end, and what seems like a creative malaise at the high end. Exciting bits of plastic and LED strips are fairly easy to produce, it seems. Does Audi make office chairs?
Jack's back! Best review ever! Many thanks!
Great video, well done. Enjoyed it a lot! Having less than ideal rear seat and trunk space is the price one pays for a wow-inducing car … just look at how far in the glass is from the body. Beauty!
can we have efficiency and other stats in Metrics system, which the rest of the world uses, it's hard for me to understand Mi/kwh.
Robert you found yourself a damn good presenter with Jack!
Jack, just please don't let the previous statement go to your head and make yourself another Johnny or Rory (both damn fine presenters in their own right).
I can honestly see the combination of you two growing this channel into a multi million subscriber channel in your own view!
Jack, the other point you forgot to mention about expensive cars is the dribble down effect... advances in technology arrive in the expensive cars, then companies recoup their R&D costs and the technologies eventually become standard in all cars. Look at ABS, ESC, and more currently the recent advances in lane departure warning, active cruise control etc. All these technologies started in the high end vehicles and over time have become standard and even required in some instances.
Superb video. I remember watching this a year ago just as I placed my order for a GT Quattro which is a stunning car. In the last month I've been hugely fortunate to upgrade into the RS Carbon Vorsprung, mainly being tempted by the stronger residuals in the RS car but my god, both tranches of the GT are astonishing machines. Totally agree with your review, it's not without it's limitations but so impressive to see what can be done to make EV's desirable, fun and certainly makes the future promising.
Must admit I've gone from "who is this Jack bloke" to "yes! Another video from Jack!"
This is some premium content, keep it up!
With the 800v architecture and 15 min charging stops, the range is more than enough. I love my GT and currently can't think of anything else i would rather have as a daily. Did a trip to Spain and back at xmas and it was just sublime.
I discovered this channel quite recently and I'm very happy that I did. Proper quality content
Definitely re-engaging with FC now that Jack is on board, great presenter, great production. As for the Audi, I've seen one in the flesh and it is a hugely impressive looking thing for sure. But for me, given the competition its now up against with EV6 and Mustang etc it really does need another 75 miles or so of autonomy
The Audi looks amazing and the channel does show cars from all price points, cracking channel.
“That sounded more interesting in my head,”
Was a highlight😎
Enjoyed the video - as usual. Thank goodness the car was too wide for the car wash! Would have done all sorts of nastiness to the paintwork. Close call.
I'd buy in an instant it if I could afford it. But sadly I never will. Just like the poster cars of my youth...
Does it have a battery temp guage?
Great vid, you nailed it with your third prediction; most of us can’t afford it. I loved your vid about the city 3 wheeler but most of us want to know about practical, affordable cars that will probably be our first, nervous step to EVs. I enjoy seeing what is possible, but more affordable stuff please.
My first step was an egolf…it was nervous as was completely new and had to navigate new experiences/charging etc. my second much easier step was into a model 3 - game changer. My next step will be the model s plaid. I always thought I would want a little weekend car for fun as a homage to combustion…once you get an EV, you just don’t want to go back. It’s superior in almost every metric.
Why no shows about affordable EVs? There isn't one. With the assembly line, Ford brought the Model T down to 3-4 months US national average wage. With closed-shop repairs, coded non-interchangeable parts, software lock-ins, and microscopic scratches 'wrecking' residual value by lender's definition, the dealers, finance companies, and insurers have got us all stitched up. Until we're out of that grip, there will be no 'people's car'. My own (quite possibly worthless) guess is that the first equivalent is some way off... it will be non-owned, autonomous, and Chinese.
You are simply amazing bro.. Lots of tech & machine knowledge and so brilliantly delivered.
When are you going to test drive the Model S Plaid you cant compare anything to it until you have
Not many companies know what to do with the shape of the front of their electric car. I would not buy this Audi because of its front (and other reasons)
They're in a difficult spot because people don't like change and they are used to having a grille at the front so that the stinkwater engine doesn't melt itself, so have nothing and people don't like it, have a grille (like, to be fair, my MG5 has) and EV people don't like it. Eventually we'll get away from this design language, but it's going to take time.
Hyundai are getting there/going somewhere else with Ionic 5.
3:40 this is why I support Fully Charged financially. This is to get that kind of message and transparency and honesty from the team. You won't get that from any other channel, even from FC alumni. Very important messaging. Also realized Jack has a flawless French accent when endulging in his "penchant" for bigger wheels. Got me chuckling while eating my baguette 🥖. Also, thanks for using Tron Legacy soundtrack that well, fitting for the e-tron, saw what you did there in the editing room guys ;)
Ahhh! Very much appreciate your thoughts and comments. Thanks for your support.
Also for legal reasons, this isn’t the OST of Tron Legacy but it’s “inspired” by it clearly.
Enjoy your reviews very much. Thanks
Okay okay, this car does look great, amazing even. Still mad it's not a cheap hatchback tho, you aren't getting away with this.
😂 fair enough. I promise we've got a few great vids coming on entry-level EVs (praise the lord!) in the coming weeks. Stay tuned, Polish Guy!
@@JackScarlett1 then you will get people moaning about how they don't want to see boring entry level evs,. they want more Rimacs!
I had an Audi 80 donkey's years ago that I thought was grey, but was apparently a shade of blue according to the papers.
"Tactical green" to me looked very like the vaguely mustard yellow my daughter left in her nappies as a baby...
Oh no! Can't un-see that now. You're so right 😂
Hands up in the taking life too seriously club. The vast majority of drivers are in economy cars and having alternatives for them will be a much bigger effect on emissions. Anyone else?
Without doubt! And we'll be covering the small cheap stuff too, rest assured. We're actually in Munich for the motor show now and have a full vid coming very soon on VW's sub-£20,000 compact EV
@@JackScarlett1 It's the man himself. Thanks for the reply, but unlike you I've almost zero interest in cars apart from the tech. The proportion of economy cars to luxury needs to shift really quickly. As other FC shows have said it'll probably take numerous Chinese models to end the slow intro of new models by legacy carmakers who are covering their bottom line as long as possible.
@@TadeuszCantwell indeed mate. To take the Munich motor show (where I currently am) as an example): lots of lovely cheap EV concepts on show from Western car makers - all 4 years from production. Meanwhile the Chinese economy cars on show all arrive next year or sooner...
Having got a Tesla MS P100D took it out for a test drive to see if it would be a replacement for when my lease ends.
Good bit:
Painted well. Panel gaps which are much better than my MS. General fit nd finish are all good.
Head up display - this is really handy in an EV without the engine pitch directly related to the roadspeed. Keeping to the speedlimit particularly in urban areas requires constant checking so having the current speed and current limit in your line of sight is great.
Supportive front seats.
360 camera - so useful in a big car with expensive wheels. Why Tesla can't manage this when even a Leaf has it I don't know.
Rear steering - the dealer I test drove from has a tight parking space and it was amazingly easy to slot into a space.
Performance - pretty impressive, but I've been spoilt. The linearity and instant responsiveness of the MS is the gold standard.
Ride quality is excellent and it handled some rough roads amazingly well. I've got the pre-raven non adaptive suspension and its a hard ride on 21" wheels. This is so much better. Also feels like the handling is good, although I didn't get an oportunity to test this properly due to the dealer keeping me most of the time in suburbia. It will be interesting to compare with the Polestar with the Ohlins which was amazing.
The bad bits:
It looks like they forgot to finish the front of the car. Even with the optional (cost) extra painted front oval there is still a load of black plastic. This is the worst style part of the car. The rest is not bad. Obviously a subjective thing.
Ultimately they have finally made an iPhone but are trying to make it feel like a Nokia. Big center console for the transmission tunnel which isn't there. But the two worst bits are the internal sound which you can't turn off only "subdue". It rumbles the speaker as you pull away to simulate the clutch engaging and the engine labouring then continues with some fake rumbly whine. No option to make it nice a quiet. I don't want it to feel like an old fashioned ICE car. Then there is the regen - take your foot off the go peddle and it just rolls like you're in neutral. You have to swap back and forth all the time to adjust your speed. You don't have engine breaking like in an ICE car even. It's a lot less relaxing and feels again like they don't want to embrace the advantages of EVs.
I don't like the mass of buttons and dials of all random shapes and size spread liberally everywhere around the cabin. Again it just feel like a Blackberry/Nokia in the iPhone age.
Screens are again old school and small coming from a Tesla. Only the Ford Mach-E is close. Audi has lots of menus, sub menus etc. The need a modern UI designer to help them, and a Tesla for a few weeks/long trips. You need to be able to easily see on the screen the map, charge stops, how long for.
Boot enterance is so small for such a large car. Having just done a "GT tour" to Cornwall from Essex with the family for a week there was no way we would have taken half what we got in our MS. Chatting to an E-Tron driver at a stop also doing the trip from Essex she said the range and charging infrastructure added a few hours adn stress levels to the journey. Stopping at a broken charger she said she looked longingly at a row of Tesla superchargers nearby.
Rear seat headroom may well be the thing that ultimately rules it out for our family as my son is almost 6 foot. Agree with the review it's just too cramped. You'd bang you head on the side roof bar on every bend - much like the Polestar.
Home changing there didn't seem to be an easy way of setting the charge time, stop time. Again if you actually use an EV as a dialy driver and home chanrge you know you want to be on a cheap night time tariff (like Octopus GO). Also you can't seem to set the charge speed, again important for those with home Solar PV where you match the charge level to the excess from your solar rather than sending it back onto the grid E.g. I might have 2Kw spare but I don't want to charge the car at full speed ie 7Kw as I'd be paying the expensive day rate for the extra 5Kw.
Little things which Tesla have added are missing like remembering where you set the suspension / fold mirrors so when you arrive there again it changes. At the deal there is a steep ramp and I put the car up both times I took the car out, but it doesn't geotag. Dashcam is something like a £700-800 optional extra, but Tesla just added it with a free software update and a £10 USB drive off Amazon.
Range / efficiency seemes low for a car with such a large battery.
If Tesla ever start selling the MS in the UK again I would replace mine with another one when my current lease ends. But if it's not arriving until late next year I might have to consider this car.
I didn't get to see the App and the dealer was unable to demonstrate it. I showed them my Tesla app and how I could control lots of things from the phone which turns out to be super handy. I can remotely unlock it and allow people to drive it, start/stop charging, see it's location/speed etc on a map. and a load more things.
Great review, thanks Jack. A more fulsome review than we would of had from Robert!!
FYI there is a vegan interior option
Great review, with superb production.
I would probably choose the new model S as the interior has had a complete overhaul and looks really nice now and the build quality should be a lot better too, if the model 3 made in China is anything to go by. I also prefer the feeling of space in a car. The Audi looks like your getting into a coffin. I'll never be able to afford any of these cars, nice to dream though. Keep up the good work Jack.
Great video as always. I’m actually considering one of these (not the RS; the standard has enough for me). I’ll keep you posted.
"Tactial green"... I will be thinking of that next time I take my dog for a walk :D
Your camera crew knocked this one out of the park. Wow.
Errm🤔 Those three Statements you were expecting..,Absolutely Bang On Target!!!! Bloody well sussed 👏👏👏👍
What's a little bit more worrying though is that I'm starting to like your presentations, your pretty good without the lunatic fringe of Robert Exploding in an unnecessary rant about practically sod all.
As for the Car, well if Audi can't get it right who the hell can?
VW to my mind have already lost the plot but Audi has always been on a different planet anyway and this car is good! Never mind the comparisons to a Porsche, it'll be far cheaper anyway.
Thanks for doing the Video.
Good one Jack! I enjoy your insights and honest opinion. Thank you Fully Charged team!
Excellent stuff! Amazing review Jack, presenting like you were born to it! 👶👏
There are two ways of making that car more appealing to me,
1: Make the avant
2: make it a two plus two by removing the rear doors and a couple of feet from the wheelbase
What a gorgeous car that is, love it 👌
Also a really great review, really enjoyable, and beautifully shot and edited. 💜
Great and very entertaining review. Just lovely video production.
A unique color indeed. This is a good car test, the purpose and use of/for this car is well told.
I just wouldn’t pay £130k on an Audi when I could get a very similar car from Porsche for a similar price.
But this has physical buttons for everyday functions, which imo make it betters and is almost a 1:1 reproduction of the prototype (the Taycan lost the inverted rear doors from the Mission E and some details from the ligths and front fascia). I think that over time the Taycan would be more classic (because round curves age better than straigth lines and angles), but at the moment the E-Tron GT looks better and has better quality of life ergonomics to me. I also would 100% chose a Q8 over a Cayenne: I don't like the look of most of current Audis, but the e-tron, e-tron gt and the Q8 are superb in design to me.
This car costs 140,000 Euros or 140,000 USD before options. I just downloaded the pricelist from the German AUDI website. It is 100 pages long - I kid you not - insane. For fun I tried to make a fully loaded version but ignoring the several pages of options for Audi service connectivity and added warranties. It comes to 50,000 Euros (49,895) it seems (I may have made mistakes - without a consultant it is impossible not to).
With delivery charges, one day spent studying the pricelist, one day spent at the dealer you are basically looking at a 200,000 USD car.
You can get a fully loaded Tesla Model S Plaid for less than 150,000 and a fully loaded Model S Long Range for less than 110,000. Either one is better, as far as I can judge, by nearly every metric than this AUDI.
"officially taking life too seriously" ... love that point as its so true. Plus the early adopters have to pay a premium and the high end are willing to do that and then the tech can become more affordable for the rest of us.
Oh that’s a really excellent. Great point!
Great video Jack and what a great looking car. I did have aTesla P100D and agree that the interior and finish is just not good enough for the price you pay.
It's tiny inside, compared to most cars these days.
For an EV, on proper EV architecture, it is disappoingly snug inside
@@JackScarlett1 Yeh with a weirdly low floor for an EV. Sat in it at the Fully Charged Live, or at least tried to...
Fantastic video as always, car looks epic
Do Audi not use the same LG batteries as the bolt?
LG batteries but not the same exact type i believe, so as far as we know no real risk there. We shall see, fingers crossed it's just the one product line for LG that is a mess.
The problem with high powered electric cars is after 2 or 3 seconds your going too fast. Lol Kind of prefer underpowered cars that can be ragged. :)
Very very true. The best performance is the performance you can actually use. Give me 200bhp and crisp steering over 1000bhp any day
Can't wait to get tailgated by one of these!
Another car most people can't afford.
Good review, nice job Jack.