IF THIS DOGME IS THE VIRGIN MARY WAS BORN WITHOUT THE SIN OF ADAM IT IS A HERESY BECAUSE IN THIS CONTEXT WE DON T NEED REDEMPTION IN JESUS CHRIST ..THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SIN OF ADAM IS THE RESURRECTION AS GIFT AT ALL THE HUMANITY .
I am a Catholic looking into orthodox really seriously for a month now. I consider myself orthodox even though I am not one officially. This is the hardest to accept. Thank you for the video. ☦️
@@the-real-John-Oconnor Any update? I’m a (Roman) Catholic looking into Orthodoxy too. If you have made the decision to leave (Roman) Catholicism can you let me know what the main factors were? Thanks.
@@liam77877 I have decided to leave Roman Catholism. I was tired of the services not being reverent (Eucharist on hand, Clown masses, etc.) Addionally, adding the filioque clause. The Pope has power over too much, even the Roman church in the first millennium singed off on the autocephalous churches, then they revised their decision 100s of years later to try to make the Pope lord over the bishops. And finally, interfaith gatherings (Pope venerated Quran, Pope receives hindu Blessing, Pope goes to pagan smudging ritual, etc.) God bless you and may he help you in all things. ☦
@@liam77877I am also a Roman Catholic who considers himself to be an Orthodox Christian, and I would say that I have decided to stay in Rome because if all Romans who have come to reconciled themselves with Orthodox theology leave Rome, any prospect of reuniting our Churches disappears. I have decided to stay in Rome in order to teach the Orthodox teachings, work for the reunification, disagree with what is heretical, and hope for a full communion.
The Academy of Kiev, with Peter Moghila, Stephen Gavorsky and many others, taught the Immaculate Conception in terms of Latin theology. A confraternity of the Immaculate Conception was established at Polotsk in 1651. The Orthodox members of the confraternity promised to honour the Immaculate Conception of Mary all the days of their life. The Council of Moscow of 1666 [which included the patriarchates of Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria] approved Simeon Polotsky’s book called The Rod of Direction, in which he said: ‘Mary was exempt from original sin from the moment of her conception.’
This is a copy and paste job from an ecumenist work. This is unverified and does not represent real, impartial research. eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/the-immaculate-conception-and-the-orthodox-church-3/
In my opinion, many of the Orthodox who do deep dives in order to intentionally misunderstand the Latin Dogma of the Immaculate Conception - ARE JEALOUS, that God would do this for The Theotokos, but NOT FOR THEM i.e. the Orthodox Christians that hate this dogma, and foolishly reject it as not only true, but even as Theologoumenon.
@@forgingicehole4750 this dogma did not exist till 200 years ago. Take that in for a second. The latins hate mary so they blaspheme her and twisted her holiness.
This argument seems similar to that found in objection 3 in III.27.3 of the Summa, in which St. Thomas says that Mary had the "fomes" of sin, though she personally did not sin.
Just as God banned Adam because He cannot be around sin Christ also cannot live in a womb of sin. Saint Gabriel said you are blessed AMONG ALL women. Another example, A bad tree bares bad fruit a good tree bares good fruit. Very simple.
Orthodox Christian Theology The good thing is that is only your church’s interpretation of Saint Mary. Luckily the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church were entrusted with the Ark of The Covenant (The most conclusive example of His mother in the Old Testament). The oldest Bible in history is also found in Ethiopia because we, while we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). Hopefully you can learn from the original information we obtained because before any church ever existed before the New Testament took place, before the Holy Bible was compiled, the the first Christian Kingdom existed, where through their hearts was the law and teachings of God. To dismiss the IC of Saint Mary is to misunderstand Christ’s nature and to deny His capabilities. We just completed the Fast of the Assumption of Mary, so I will ask you like Christ asked the pharisees, which is easier to say, “Your Sins Are Forgiven, or Get Up And Walk”?
‘Ālem actually it does. As the the person is talking about history, I am mentioning the Ethiopians were the first Christian Civilization with the ORIGINAL Christian teachings. These Christian Civilizations go back over 3000 years and before any official Orthodox church was established. As you can see in the book of Acts we were already Christians before disciples Andrew and Matthew came to Ethiopia. So I was telling him how our deep rooted history and knowledge of the IC of Mary can be supported by the original information we obtained thousands of years back. History unlocks everything all Christians, theologians, scientists and philosophers know and respect the credibility of history.
‘Ālem Hello Alem I am not sure what your faith is as I am unsure, but if you are a Coptic, then that is your faith and belief. Nevertheless, I hope you understand I am not referring to the concept’s history but the way the EOTC achieve and reach these hidden mysteries of faith like ተአምር፡ ድርሳናት፡ ግድላት፡ አንድምታ as well as the IC of Saint Mary. These are all brought to light through a set of very strict religious ritual practices that have been passed down throughout Ethiopian Christian history, one being ሱባይ. There are many other hidden methods more clear to our monks when they reach a Holy Level. Also, I never said EOTC was 3000 years old, I said the first Christian Kingdom dates back to 3000 in Ethiopia. Secondly, the concept was accepted in Ethiopia before Zera Yacob. Also all Bible translations say “Ethiopian” including the Coptic Bible not Nubian. biblehub.com/acts/8-27.htm www.copticchurch.net/cgibin/bible/index.php?r=Acts+8&showVN=&version=NKJV غَزَّةَ» الَّتِي هِيَ بَرِّيَّةٌ. 27 فَقَامَ وَذَهَبَ. وَإِذَا رَجُلٌ حَبَشِيٌّ” خَصِيٌّ وَزِيرٌ لِكَنْدَاكَةَ مَلِكَةِ الْحَبَشَةِ كَانَ عَلَى جَمِيعِ خَزَائِنِهَا - فَهَذَا كَانَ قَدْ جَاءَ إِلَى أُورُشَلِيمَ لِيَسْجُدَ. 28 “ And if other churches decide to reject the IC of Saint Mary that is their loss. The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church will however continue to cherish and revere her purity and her Immaculate Conception. Thank you
What I’m not clear on though is how it can be proposed that Mary was cleansed of original sin at the annunciation but then still died of necessity - if dying of necessity is a result of original sin and Mary no longer had original sin after the annunciation, how could she die of necessity?
Honestly I think the fathers are reporting disparate hagiographic details without reconciliation. She had original sin and was subject to death, yet through holiness overcame the necessity of death and so to partake in the life of Christ she voluntarily died. The reconciliation is not given to us by the saints. I favor that subjection to death is a principle according to her condition apart from grace, so it is true in effect. Yet, she had attained a perfect spiritual state so grace enabled her voluntary death.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology Gotcha. Have you found any fathers saying either 1) she was conceived in the Catholic IC state, or 2) she was conceived in a baptized (but still subject to the effects of original sin) state? Since she’s the icon of the Church, and you are reborn into the Church into a state of grace at baptism, it seems to make sense to me that she would be born/conceived in a baptized state herself maybe. But her being free from the effects of original sin, including even bodily, like the IC proposes seems somewhat out of left field.
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- *30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC* - Purpose: This was written to educate and give Ethiopian believers a BETTER understanding of the origin of their faith, history and tradition and answer why the EOTC is quite different from other orthodoxies. This should not to be interpreted in the wrong way, unity is important but so is transparency. Author: As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences. ✅ ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED! *Dogma Differences* 1. We believe that Saint Mary was born without original sin 2. We believe that Saint Mary has NO fallen nature no sin or nature to sin after birth as well *Jewish Practices* Matt 5:17 - “I did not come to abolish the Law” 1. We have Ark Processions year-round 2. We abstain from all unclean food (Halal, pork, shrimp, crab, etc) 3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women) 4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity 5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion) 6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc) 7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74) 8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3) 9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday) 10. Women after giving birth have to wait 40 days or 80 days to enter church. ( Lev 12) *EOTC Belief System* 1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39) 2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days 3. We fast 292 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast) 4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses (Deut 22:5) 5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes 6. We have a 2 or more priest liturgy system (Coptics have 1) 7. We close curtains during significant moments 8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin 9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3) 10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round 11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat) 12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water) 13. Believers have (Full Body - Holy Water) services year round for healing and forgiveness of sin 14. We do not eat bread inside church 15. Only men can pour Holy Water 16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel) 17. We have to fast 18 hours to take communion (3 days of no intercourse) 18. We prohibit any use of contraceptives or birth control (Genesis 38:6-11) *Explanation:* While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Christianity’s former faith so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), Year round Full Body Holy Water Services, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from unclean meat and 292 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary. Thank you have a nice day. Blessings in Christ Sources: 1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/ 2. M/r RODAS th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html. 3. MAHBER KIDUSAN th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1I/w-d-xo.html 4. Dersane Gabriel Tahsas Ch. 21-22 5. Ethiopia’s 4000 year history m.th-cam.com/video/pd1J_527Cxk/w-d-xo.html 6. Lika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMI/w-d-xo.html 7. Holy Synod’s published document titled “The Doctrine and Foreign Relations of the EOTC” 8. No Fish on Fasting Day (EOTC) th-cam.com/video/l1Q2CvMebtQ/w-d-xo.html 9. Fetha Negest 10. Mesafe Kebur 11. Kebra Negest 12. The Didache Ch 6
@@eotceotc Sounds beautiful.... so glad you believe in the Immaculate Conception but ... you have the Holy Eucharist correct ? And I just want to understand, fasting from “unclean food” and I say this with all respect .... Christ kind of eliminated that .... “nothing from the outside can make a man unclean” I am just curious as a Catholic ....but your summary of your faith.... it sounds beautiful and extremely reverent.... many blessings to you and thank you for your beautifully expressed beliefs about our Blessed Mother!
@@kathleen0933 Actually eating pork has not changed. It still is prohibited. Look at the prophecy in Isaiah 66: 15-17 It says on the day Jesus comes with fire and His chariots (second coming) those found eating swine flesh will be condemned. So if it’s not okay when Christ comes again why would be okay now. People just follow what they want to follow unfortunately.
@@kathleen0933 You can read any trusted theological commentary on Isaiah 66 it refers clearly to the second coming. biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/66-15.htm www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/isaiah-66.html And other theological communities acknowledge this as the second coming as well.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology idk if we want to start going down the "were you there" road hoss. I know you have the fedora, but that doesn't mean you have to argue like a 2007 new atheist.
@@Leo-uq6jp - true not binding but it's bold to decide to ignore an apparition of Mary All Holy. BTW the "were you there" road that Bryan objects to IS as he said the atheists' argument.
I thank God that k learnt lesson living away from family abroad in namely that a fotograph or picture does not replace genuine person nor make up for his/her absence ,nor does it replace him/her.its idol forbidden these pictures statues..this "essay"makes it more complicated than it is and it adds to scripture .
It is not meant to replace him/her, but to remember her…Showing respect to an image of someone you love is no idol worshipping. The truth is you probably don’t know what is worshipping nor what is an idol. An image of the True God is not God indeed but can’t be an idol either. If it represents Christ with due respect and correctly it conveys information about Him, as well as His grace like everything that is blessed by Him. As do the Holy Bible, but kissing the Bible isn’t an act of idolatry for you, is it ? We don’t add to scriptures, we explain and attempt to live the scriptures the right way, the way inherited by the apostles. scriptures is one of the pillar of our Faith but not the only one. As members of the Holy Church of Christ, we inherited the Scriptures and all the Tradition of the Church which comes from God through the holy apostles… You shouldn’t say things you don’t understand.
The question is how did Mary, a sinner, though a victorioius sinner, have a son untouched by sin? It is not possible. Jesus took his flesh from Mary. Her flesh had to be sinless, not just in deed, but in reality.
@@gebranhaddad6312 Thank you so much for saying this. Hardly anybody points this out. If Christ had to be in a body free of sin, to be free of sin, why did Mary NOT have to be in a body free of sin to be free of sin??? It's simply illogical.
Orthodoxy believes that, while everyone bears the 'ancestral' consequences of original sin, which is death, only Adam and Eve are actually guilty. So it's easy to think of Mary (as well as ourselves being subject to death and that's all. I can imagine Mary did not sin as she was chosen by God but I can also imagine she received an abundance of graces too. Catholicism, for instance, teaches that everyone is guilty at birth.
Please help me here. I am Orthodox. I have heard different things about the immaculate conception. Did Augustine say, or not say or write that sexual intercourse was the mechanism by which the stain of original sin was passed on from generation to generation? Do the Catholics hold that we inherit ancestral guilt of original sin, a stain on the soul, or a fallen human nature/impediment to knowing God's will, or something else, or some combination? Do Roman Catholics believe that the guilt of original sin is passed on by sexual intercourse? Do they believe that Mary's parents conceived her without normal physical sexual intercourse but by some kind of miraculous insemination? Do Catholics hold that Mary did not have fallen human nature at all? In reality the most common answer I get from Orthodox about the Immaculate Conception of Mary is that we actually believe it because we don't believe in the kind of "non-immaculate" nature of conceptions in general that Roman Catholics do.
In reality that rationalization is sort of weak. I'd recommend you Google "original sin in the Byzantine dormiton homilies" by Patrick Truglia if you want the nitty gritty.
Do Orthodox Believe Mary committed sin in her life? No. Does the Orthodox believe that Mary is purest of pure virgins forever and always? Do Orthodox believe in Papal Dogmatic teachings? No. That's how I see it. Do Orthodox believe Mary was ever under the dominion of Satan? I'm gonna say no. Call it whatever you want. Reject whichever theologian or paradigm. But what is the POINT?
@@williammcguire130 Could you explain this? Our Lord and Saviour had step brothers which would mean Mary clearly stopped being a virgin aftre the virgin birth of Jesus. I also don't see any BIBLICAL evidence for Mary being sinless which is strange - if that were the case you'd expect such an important detail to be in the eternal word of God. Furthermore in Luke 1:46-47 Mary calls on "God her Saviour" and Romans 3:23 tells us "ALL have fallen short of the glory of God", not once do we see the mention of anyone sinless but our Lord and Saviour who took on flesh. Mary being sinless is significant, especially since she's a creation unlike the Son of God Jesus Christ so without inquiring into church history, I don't see how this belief came about that she is sinless I'm not here to cause strife, just here to learn but if possible please provide biblical evidence (since if it was in God's word I'd have no choice but to accept these things). I'm interested in Eastern Orthodoxy and believe their Trinity doctrine is unmatched but some of the things they practice are holding me back. I do admit, I'm not well educated on church history and the writings of Saints so bare with me. Thank you, God bless you
@@sathsojourns Gladly. The Gospels were originally written in Greek and in Koine Greek the word that is translated as brother can also mean cousin or other male relative. Mary's perpetual virginity is seen as fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 44:2, and was held by the earliest Fathers of Christianity in both the West and East.
@@williammcguire130 Interesting, I'd appreciate if you elaborated on the context for Ezekiel 44:2. What about her sinless nature as a human? Lastly my brother, this has nothing to do with what I asked above but could you help me understand what Eastern Orthodox Christians believe about heaven and hell?
Orthodox Christian Theology Just as God banned Adam because He cannot be around sin Christ also cannot live in a womb of sin. Saint Gabriel said you are blessed AMONG ALL women. Another example, A bad tree bares bad fruit a good tree bares good fruit. Very simple.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology *Here are about 30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC* As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences. *Dogma Differences* 1. We believe that Saint Mary was born stainless immaculate conception - (Coptics believe she was born with sin) 2. We believe that Saint Mary has no sin or nature to sin after birth as well *Jewish Practices* 1. We have Ark Processions year-round 2. We abstain from all unclean food (pork, shrimp, crab, etc) 3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women) 4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity 5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion) 6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc) 7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74) 8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3) 9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday) *EOTC Belief System* 1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39) 2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days 3. We fast 296 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast) 4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses 5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes 6. We have a 2-priest liturgy system unlike Coptics 7. We close curtains during significant moments 8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin 9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3) 10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round 11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat) 12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water) 13. Believers have continual baptisms year round for healing and forgiveness of sin 14. We do not eat bread or bring any food inside church (unlike Coptics) 15. Only men can pour Holy Water 16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel) *Explanation:* While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith making us really a third type of Orthodox. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Jewish to Christian so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), constant baptism, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from pork and any other unclean meat and 296 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary. Thank you have a nice day. Blessings in Christ Sources: 1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/ 2. M/r RODAS th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html. MAHBER KIDUSAN th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1IL/w-d-xo.htmlika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMIh/w-d-xo.htmlttps://www.eotchurch.ca/sites/default/files/Order (www.eotchurch.ca/sites/default/files/Order) of Church Fasts & Feasts.pdf
Yes. She surely no longer has original sin, in fact her voluntary death was attained by overcoming sin. The Patristics speak of her being "subject to corruption" and death, but at the same time overcoming it.
- 30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC - Purpose: This was written to educate and give Ethiopian believers a BETTER understanding of the origin of their faith, history and tradition and answer why the EOTC is quite different from other orthodoxies. This should not to be interpreted in the wrong way, unity is important but so is transparency. Author: As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences. ✅ ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED! *Dogma Differences* 1. We believe that Saint Mary was born without original sin 2. We believe that Saint Mary has NO fallen nature no sin or nature to sin after birth as well *Jewish Practices* Matt 5:17 - “I did not come to abolish the Law” 1. We have Ark Processions year-round 2. We abstain from all unclean food (Halal, pork, shrimp, crab, etc) 3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women) 4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity 5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion) 6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc) 7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74) 8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3) 9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday) 10. Women after giving birth have to wait 40 days or 80 days to enter church. ( Lev 12) *EOTC Belief System* 1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39) 2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days 3. We fast 292 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast) 4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses (Deut 22:5) 5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes 6. We have a 2 or more priest liturgy system (Coptics have 1) 7. We close curtains during significant moments 8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin 9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3) 10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round 11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat) 12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water) 13. Believers have (Full Body - Holy Water) services year round for healing and forgiveness of sin 14. We do not eat bread inside church 15. Only men can pour Holy Water 16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel) 17. We have to fast 18 hours to take communion (3 days of no intercourse) 18. We prohibit any use of contraceptives or birth control (Genesis 38:6-11) *Explanation:* While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Christianity’s former faith so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), Year round Full Body Holy Water Services, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from unclean meat and 292 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary. Thank you have a nice day. Blessings in Christ Sources: 1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/ 2. M/r RODAS th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html. 3. MAHBER KIDUSAN th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1I/w-d-xo.html 4. Dersane Gabriel Tahsas Ch. 21-22 5. Ethiopia’s 4000 year history m.th-cam.com/video/pd1J_527Cxk/w-d-xo.html 6. Lika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMI/w-d-xo.html 7. Holy Synod’s published document titled “The Doctrine and Foreign Relations of the EOTC” 8. No Fish on Fasting Day (EOTC) th-cam.com/video/l1Q2CvMebtQ/w-d-xo.html 9. Fetha Negest 10. Mesafe Kebur 11. Kebra Negest 12. The Didache Ch 6
U do understand mary is a jewish woman. And each month she got her period. In her nature as woman she became impure and unclean, and seen as guilty. Luke 2:21-24 (PESH) AND when the eight days completed to circumcise the child, his name was called Jeshu, for he was so called by the angel before he was conceived in the womb. And when were completed, the days of their purification according to the law of Musha, they carried him up to Urishlem, to present him* before the Lord: (as it is written in the law of the Lord, That every male openeth the matrix the holy to the Lord shall be called:) and to offer the sacrifice as it is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtle-doves, or two of the young of pigeons. As ethiopian u know u can't debate God, He is the lawmaker. Romans 3:19-20 (PESH) BUT we know that whatever the law saith, to them who are under the law it saith: that every mouth may be shut, and all the world be guilty unto Aloha. Because by the works of the law no flesh is justified before him; for from the law sin is known. God made mary as a woman, so it's God too who shut the door for the sinless mary's theory according to mosaic laws He gave to moses.
@@waitandsee9345 Interesting, you know no one uses this verse anymore because 1): By trying to use this verse against Saint Mary you invariably use it against her child as it says *their* purification and not her purification. 2) *Secondly, there were no offerings made* Jesus did not have to be offered in the Temple, nor did Mary have to offer her two turtle doves because they were both pure from birth. *They submitted to the Law out of humility and deference to the Father* What next? Are we going to say Jesus is not God because He came in human form or that because He knelt and prayed, or that because He was Baptized that it was for the “remission of sin” ? Saint Mary and Jesus were devoted Jews who regardless of their nature followed the Laws. Please have more contextual understanding of the Bible before making claims that even fundamentalist don’t use any more.
@@eotceotc here Leviticus 12:2-4, 6 (JPOT) Speak unto the children of Israel, saying: If *a woman be delivered, and bear a man-child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of the impurity of her sickness shall she be unclean.* *And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.* And she shall continue in the blood of purification three and thirty days; *she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purification be fulfilled.* And *when the days of her purification are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtle-dove, for a sin-offering,* unto the door of the tent of meeting, unto the priest.
@@eotceotc we both know Jesus came to fullfil the laws, not to abolish. He died because of the law. Even God, Father doesn't spare His Son to fullfil the law. Yes, Jesus died under the law. So why should Father spares mary from the law? Galatians 4:4-5 (PESH) But when the fulness of the time had come, *Aloha sent his Son,* and made from a woman, and *made under the law,* that them who were under the law he might redeem, and we might receive the constitution of sons.
@@eotceotc Jesus really came as man Philippians 2:5-8 (WEBM) Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, but *emptied himself,* taking the form of a servant, *being made in the likeness of men.* And *being found in human form,* he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.
Do not forget when a woman has period or gives birth, she shall be unclean and impure. And whosoever touch uncleaness is considered to be guilty. Leviticus 5:3 (JPOT) or if he touch the uncleanness of man, whatsoever his uncleanness be wherewith he is unclean, and it be hid from him; and, when he knoweth of it, *BE GUILTY*. It's counted as sin, that's why there are *aburnt offering* and *A SIN OFFERING* Leviticus 12:1-3, 6 (JPOT) And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: Speak unto the children of Israel, saying: If a woman be delivered, and bear a man-child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of the impurity of her sickness shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And when the days of her purification are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtle-dove, *for a sin-offering,* unto the door of the tent of meeting, unto the priest. likewise st paul wrote anyone lives under mosaic laws will judged by the law Romans 3:19 (WEBM) Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God. Since Mary, as a jewish woman, she also falls under torah's judgement in her nature as a woman during her periods and after giving birth to our Lord. She was found guilty, so she did the offerings too according to mosaic laws. Luke 2:21-24 (WEBM) When eight days were fulfilled for the circumcision of the child, his name was called Yeshua, which was given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb. When the days of their purification according to the Torah of Moses were fulfilled, they brought him up to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord (as it is written in the Torah of the Lord, “Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”), and to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the Torah of the Lord, “A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.”
@@gch8810 that's not an argument that's an assertion...I can say just the opposite, the fact that you think It's a good response or that you think William Albrecht is a good Catholic apologists tells me all I need to know about your views.
@@gch8810 stick to the arguments, I noticed you didn't respond to my challenge to demonstrate your tradition to actually be apostolic from another channel comment thread (but you found time/chose to make an uncharitable remark here on a different video comment thread).
Anyone hear of St Bernadette? Just sayin....(I say this with respect and love.... you seem like an amazing scholar and Christian but the Orthodox not accepting this .... I am shocked and saddened.... Mary is the Immaculate Conception..... do you reject the account of St Bernadette?.... How about the fruits of Lourdes? I would think if it was a false teaching and phony apparition.... the miracles of Lourdes would not have occurred. Also, have you read any of Blessed John Duns Scotus’ writings on the Immaculate Conception?
I'm sorry. If u were jewish woman under the mosaic laws u would be found guilty during ur period and/or giving birth. U would become unclean and impure. Must offer burnt offering and sin offering in return. Luke 2:21-24 (PESH) AND when the eight days completed to circumcise the child, his name was called Jeshu, for he was so called by the angel before he was conceived in the womb. And when were completed, the days of their purification according to the law of Musha, they carried him up to Urishlem, to present him* before the Lord: (as it is written in the law of the Lord, That every male openeth the matrix the holy to the Lord shall be called:) and to offer the sacrifice as it is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtle-doves, or two of the young of pigeons. Just remember they are jews, not gentiles.
We romans have forgotten what we meant by the immaculate conception of Mary and this is the great source of scandal and division for orthodoxy. The belief in the Immaculate conception referred to the soul of Mary being preserved from the stain of sin. This idea was developed in the following context: the doctrine of insoulment and the inheritance of original sin through generation. Insoulment is the doctrine which teaches that every soul is created by God and not the product of simple human mechanisms. Thus a body (flesh) is created (in modern terms we would say this happen when the egg is fertilized) and then God breath or creates a soul inside of this body. Original sin is transmitted from Adam and Eve to his descendants through their bodies, to the bodies of those generated by them and then this inherited fallen flesh being united to its soul stains or pierces the soul (which God creates without sin, as sin is not God's creation) with wickedness, or with the exile from paradise, or the lack of original justice, or original sin. The Mother of God, according to the Romans, inherited a mortal and fallen flesh subject to passions and evil desires, but in the moment of her conception, by special grace her soul was preserved into the original justice in which God creates all of us. So from the beginning of her existence, the soul of the Theotokos was open to the deifying grace that was to come, empowering her with the needed freedom to synergetically cooperate with God in the incarnation. However, she remained subject to life in a fallen flesh and in doing so gained merit before God (that's why we even sing in Easter that she merited to conceived Christ). It was until the incarnation that the Theotokos was made free from concupiscence (the evil disorder of the bodily passions) and ergo achieved apatheia and it was until her resurrection from the dead that she was made free from the mortality and all the consequences of a fallen flesh. This was the doctrine of the bishops of the Vatican I, who confirmed the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception and it was the doctrine of the mariologists of that time. It's now that many Catholics straying from orthodoxy teach that Mary was free from concupiscence or not subject to death wrongly understanding to what the doctrine refers or how original sin is even transmitted.
Private revelations sound wonderfully spiritual but nevertheless, are binding only on those who receive them. Public revelation, which we are bound to believe was completed and concluded, with the death of the last apostle so Lourdes, Fatima etc do not have to be believed and certainly not used as a yardstick for religious doctrine.
@@alexpanagiotis4706 Why not? The word of God doesn't say 'All except Mary have fallen short of the glory of God", it says "ALL have fallen short of the glory of God"
@@alexpanagiotis4706 Sure, many were righteous but ask yourself why. Because they in and off themselves were good? No, Jesus says none are good but God and the word tells us our ‘good works’ are like filthy rags. We were made God’s righteousness because of our Messiah’s finished works on the cross and resurrection. Abraham was justified by his faith, and in the book of James we see his works/obedience were simply proof of his faith
@@alexpanagiotis4706 I agree, I take no honour away from her. Mary is blessed and the title ‘Theotokos’ makes sense as she IS the vessel God planned to use to birth His Son in the flesh. Hence why she is called the ‘God Bearer’. I’m asking where in the word of God does it tell us she is sinless, we are shown only JESUS is sinless and that is because He is God in the flesh. This is excluding any church history ofc, don’t take insult to my questions I just wanna hear you out. Just to clarify though, Mary being a part of the salvation plan is because God included her in His plan not because of anything special about her. We see this all the time in Scripture: Moses parted the sea for the glory of God; Elijah summoned fire from the heavens for the glory of God etc etc. God bless you, I hope you don’t take offence, I think it’s good we can discuss doctrine like this. 2 Timothy 2:15 tells us to study to show ourselves approved. If I’m wrong about anything, please help me out with biblical proof and ofc church history. Stay firm in Christ!
Of course, this is Orthodox ERROR. Mary did not have original sin. God would never have created any kind of impurity in the person chosen to be the mother of His Son. She never could have been a temple for the creation of the Son of God without having been a perfect vessel .It takes a while to get the story straight. This commentator keeps referring to "the saints", but there are numerous saints which the Orthodox do not accept, who have revealed and proven the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. Mary herself has told us this, However the Orthodox do not accept this, either. Mary WAS ASSUMED BODILY INTO HEAVEN, she did not simply go to "sleep". Bernadette Soubirous is an incorruptible saint who spoke to the Blessed Virgin, who told her that she was the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. Lourdes, France is proof that the Blessed Virgin was there and there have been thousands of miracles. The Orthodox Churches have been in disarray for centuries. They are "stuck in the mud", so to speak and surely do not recognize the miracles of Fatima, either. Actually, they do not acknowledge the numerous times throughout the centuries, when the Blessed Virgin appeared throughout the history of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. Greek Orthodox are still so set in their arrogant beliefs that they do not even recognize any baptisms other than their own! In reality there are 2.3 billion Christians throughout the world, and only less than 300 million are the so-called "Orthodox" who have numerous patriarchs and do not agree on anything!! Communism spread rapidly throughout the Orthodox countries while Roman Catholic and American Christians were able to fight it off. The Greek Patriarch in Istanbul has only 1200 followers there, in a city of 14 million! Other Christians there are between 200-300,00! When the Warning from God comes, all will be shown the truth of the Roman Catholic faith. It will be followed by a Great Miracle. Those who do not accept the truth, await the Great Tribulation. What is your choice? I am so glad that the Blessed Virgin speaks to us and that she left her image on earth in Mexico, as Christ did on the Holy Shroud of Turin. Of course, the Orthodox deny this. Too bad for you!
Gail Karrer: the "clarification" that is posed by Roman Catholic Mariological apologia, that "the Immaculate Conception DOES NOT signify a Virgin Birth", is, to Orthodox understanding, demonic casuistry. No one need spell it out; or, for that matter, that Christ's Conception (unlike His Mother's) was IMMACULATE AND THEREFORE VIRGINAL! That the Theotokos was free of sin, the Orthodox have always taught; that She Herself was conceived Immaculately - NEVER!
Glad to see you’ll still be doing things beyond R&T!
IF THIS DOGME IS THE VIRGIN MARY WAS BORN WITHOUT THE SIN OF ADAM IT IS A HERESY BECAUSE IN THIS CONTEXT WE DON T NEED REDEMPTION IN JESUS CHRIST ..THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SIN OF ADAM IS THE RESURRECTION AS GIFT AT ALL THE HUMANITY .
I am a Catholic looking into orthodox really seriously for a month now. I consider myself orthodox even though I am not one officially. This is the hardest to accept. Thank you for the video. ☦️
May God save you! Pray for me.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology I will. God bless. ☦️
@@the-real-John-Oconnor Any update? I’m a (Roman) Catholic looking into Orthodoxy too. If you have made the decision to leave (Roman) Catholicism can you let me know what the main factors were? Thanks.
@@liam77877 I have decided to leave Roman Catholism. I was tired of the services not being reverent (Eucharist on hand, Clown masses, etc.) Addionally, adding the filioque clause. The Pope has power over too much, even the Roman church in the first millennium singed off on the autocephalous churches, then they revised their decision 100s of years later to try to make the Pope lord over the bishops. And finally, interfaith gatherings (Pope venerated Quran, Pope receives hindu Blessing, Pope goes to pagan smudging ritual, etc.) God bless you and may he help you in all things. ☦
@@liam77877I am also a Roman Catholic who considers himself to be an Orthodox Christian, and I would say that I have decided to stay in Rome because if all Romans who have come to reconciled themselves with Orthodox theology leave Rome, any prospect of reuniting our Churches disappears. I have decided to stay in Rome in order to teach the Orthodox teachings, work for the reunification, disagree with what is heretical, and hope for a full communion.
Thanks for the teaching and the references. Great job!
17 year old ex protestant now orthodox catechumen, thanks for the vid.
Your 17 years old or you were an protestant for 17 years
@@christisking970 Im 17 years old
The Academy of Kiev, with Peter Moghila, Stephen Gavorsky and many others, taught the Immaculate Conception in terms of Latin theology. A confraternity of the Immaculate Conception was established at Polotsk in 1651. The Orthodox members of the confraternity promised to honour the Immaculate Conception of Mary all the days of their life. The Council of Moscow of 1666 [which included the patriarchates of Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria] approved Simeon Polotsky’s book called The Rod of Direction, in which he said: ‘Mary was exempt from original sin from the moment of her conception.’
This is a copy and paste job from an ecumenist work. This is unverified and does not represent real, impartial research. eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/the-immaculate-conception-and-the-orthodox-church-3/
In my opinion, many of the Orthodox who do deep dives in order to intentionally misunderstand the Latin Dogma of the Immaculate Conception - ARE JEALOUS, that God would do this for The Theotokos, but NOT FOR THEM i.e. the Orthodox Christians that hate this dogma, and foolishly reject it as not only true, but even as Theologoumenon.
@@forgingicehole4750 It's directly taught against by the patristics my dude and the synod corrected Peter mogila on the issue
@@forgingicehole4750 this dogma did not exist till 200 years ago. Take that in for a second. The latins hate mary so they blaspheme her and twisted her holiness.
@@forgingicehole4750 😂
Brilliant. Logical and clear. And I notice you haven’t disabled your comments like other charismatic Catholics explaining the Immaculate Conception.
Good job, man. Thank you.
This argument seems similar to that found in objection 3 in III.27.3 of the Summa, in which St. Thomas says that Mary had the "fomes" of sin, though she personally did not sin.
This comes from Augustine
That’s why Aquinas didn’t deny the immaculate conception, contrary to popular belief. Many Catholics hold heretical views about the doctrine
Just as God banned Adam because He cannot be around sin Christ also cannot live in a womb of sin. Saint Gabriel said you are blessed AMONG ALL women. Another example, A bad tree bares bad fruit a good tree bares good fruit. Very simple.
You are misunderstanding kappes. Augustine explicitly says in his commentary on genesis that the Theotokos was conceived in sin.
Orthodox Christian Theology The good thing is that is only your church’s interpretation of Saint Mary. Luckily the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church were entrusted with the Ark of The Covenant (The most conclusive example of His mother in the Old Testament). The oldest Bible in history is also found in Ethiopia because we, while we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). Hopefully you can learn from the original information we obtained because before any church ever existed before the New Testament took place, before the Holy Bible was compiled, the the first Christian Kingdom existed, where through their hearts was the law and teachings of God. To dismiss the IC of Saint Mary is to misunderstand Christ’s nature and to deny His capabilities. We just completed the Fast of the Assumption of Mary, so I will ask you like Christ asked the pharisees, which is easier to say, “Your Sins Are Forgiven, or Get Up And Walk”?
‘Ālem actually it does. As the the person is talking about history, I am mentioning the Ethiopians were the first Christian Civilization with the ORIGINAL Christian teachings. These Christian Civilizations go back over 3000 years and before any official Orthodox church was established. As you can see in the book of Acts we were already Christians before disciples Andrew and Matthew came to Ethiopia. So I was telling him how our deep rooted history and knowledge of the IC of Mary can be supported by the original information we obtained thousands of years back. History unlocks everything all Christians, theologians, scientists and philosophers know and respect the credibility of history.
‘Ālem
Hello Alem I am not sure what your faith is as I am unsure, but if you are a Coptic, then that is your faith and belief. Nevertheless, I hope you understand I am not referring to the concept’s history but the way the EOTC achieve and reach these hidden mysteries of faith like ተአምር፡ ድርሳናት፡ ግድላት፡ አንድምታ as well as the IC of Saint Mary. These are all brought to light through a set of very strict religious ritual practices that have been passed down throughout Ethiopian Christian history, one being ሱባይ. There are many other hidden methods more clear to our monks when they reach a Holy Level.
Also, I never said EOTC was 3000 years old, I said the first Christian Kingdom dates back to 3000 in Ethiopia.
Secondly, the concept was accepted in Ethiopia before Zera Yacob.
Also all Bible translations say “Ethiopian” including the Coptic Bible not Nubian.
biblehub.com/acts/8-27.htm
www.copticchurch.net/cgibin/bible/index.php?r=Acts+8&showVN=&version=NKJV
غَزَّةَ» الَّتِي هِيَ بَرِّيَّةٌ. 27 فَقَامَ وَذَهَبَ. وَإِذَا رَجُلٌ حَبَشِيٌّ” خَصِيٌّ وَزِيرٌ لِكَنْدَاكَةَ مَلِكَةِ الْحَبَشَةِ كَانَ عَلَى جَمِيعِ خَزَائِنِهَا - فَهَذَا كَانَ قَدْ جَاءَ إِلَى أُورُشَلِيمَ لِيَسْجُدَ. 28 “
And if other churches decide to reject the IC of Saint Mary that is their loss. The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church will however continue to cherish and revere her purity and her Immaculate Conception.
Thank you
@@eotceotc That’s beautiful.... thank you.... (Catholic here)
What I’m not clear on though is how it can be proposed that Mary was cleansed of original sin at the annunciation but then still died of necessity - if dying of necessity is a result of original sin and Mary no longer had original sin after the annunciation, how could she die of necessity?
Honestly I think the fathers are reporting disparate hagiographic details without reconciliation. She had original sin and was subject to death, yet through holiness overcame the necessity of death and so to partake in the life of Christ she voluntarily died. The reconciliation is not given to us by the saints. I favor that subjection to death is a principle according to her condition apart from grace, so it is true in effect. Yet, she had attained a perfect spiritual state so grace enabled her voluntary death.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology Gotcha. Have you found any fathers saying either 1) she was conceived in the Catholic IC state, or 2) she was conceived in a baptized (but still subject to the effects of original sin) state?
Since she’s the icon of the Church, and you are reborn into the Church into a state of grace at baptism, it seems to make sense to me that she would be born/conceived in a baptized state herself maybe. But her being free from the effects of original sin, including even bodily, like the IC proposes seems somewhat out of left field.
Very helpful, thanks, Craig
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- *30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC* -
Purpose: This was written to educate and give Ethiopian believers a BETTER understanding of the origin of their faith, history and tradition and answer why the EOTC is quite different from other orthodoxies. This should not to be interpreted in the wrong way, unity is important but so is transparency.
Author: As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences.
✅ ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED!
*Dogma Differences*
1. We believe that Saint Mary was born without original sin
2. We believe that Saint Mary has NO fallen nature no sin or nature to sin after birth as well
*Jewish Practices*
Matt 5:17 - “I did not come to abolish the Law”
1. We have Ark Processions year-round
2. We abstain from all unclean food (Halal, pork, shrimp, crab, etc)
3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women)
4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity
5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion)
6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc)
7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74)
8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3)
9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday)
10. Women after giving birth have to wait 40 days or 80 days to enter church. ( Lev 12)
*EOTC Belief System*
1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39)
2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days
3. We fast 292 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast)
4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses (Deut 22:5)
5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes
6. We have a 2 or more priest liturgy system (Coptics have 1)
7. We close curtains during significant moments
8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin
9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3)
10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round
11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat)
12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water)
13. Believers have (Full Body - Holy Water) services year round for healing and forgiveness of sin
14. We do not eat bread inside church
15. Only men can pour Holy Water
16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel)
17. We have to fast 18 hours to take communion (3 days of no intercourse)
18. We prohibit any use of contraceptives or birth control (Genesis 38:6-11)
*Explanation:*
While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Christianity’s former faith so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), Year round Full Body Holy Water Services, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from unclean meat and 292 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary.
Thank you have a nice day.
Blessings in Christ
Sources:
1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/
2. M/r RODAS
th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html.
3. MAHBER KIDUSAN
th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1I/w-d-xo.html
4. Dersane Gabriel Tahsas Ch. 21-22
5. Ethiopia’s 4000 year history
m.th-cam.com/video/pd1J_527Cxk/w-d-xo.html
6. Lika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary
th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMI/w-d-xo.html
7. Holy Synod’s published document titled “The Doctrine and Foreign Relations of the EOTC”
8. No Fish on Fasting Day (EOTC)
th-cam.com/video/l1Q2CvMebtQ/w-d-xo.html
9. Fetha Negest
10. Mesafe Kebur
11. Kebra Negest
12. The Didache Ch 6
@@eotceotc Sounds beautiful.... so glad you believe in the Immaculate Conception but ... you have the Holy Eucharist correct ? And I just want to understand, fasting from “unclean food” and I say this with all respect .... Christ kind of eliminated that .... “nothing from the outside can make a man unclean” I am just curious as a Catholic ....but your summary of your faith.... it sounds beautiful and extremely reverent.... many blessings to you and thank you for your beautifully expressed beliefs about our Blessed Mother!
@@kathleen0933
Actually eating pork has not changed. It still is prohibited.
Look at the prophecy in Isaiah 66: 15-17
It says on the day Jesus comes with fire and His chariots (second coming) those found eating swine flesh will be condemned.
So if it’s not okay when Christ comes again why would be okay now.
People just follow what they want to follow unfortunately.
@@kathleen0933
You can read any trusted theological commentary on Isaiah 66 it refers clearly to the second coming.
biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/66-15.htm
www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/isaiah-66.html
And other theological communities acknowledge this as the second coming as well.
@@kathleen0933
The verse you stated is not talking about unclean food but a unclean spirit.
But the Most Holy Theotokos Mary Said in the apparation of Lourdes to St Bernadette that she is the Immaculate Conception
Were u there?
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology idk if we want to start going down the "were you there" road hoss. I know you have the fedora, but that doesn't mean you have to argue like a 2007 new atheist.
@@CatholicBossHogg A supposed apparition that supports the claim of a schosmatic church is not binding on us
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology - were you?
@@Leo-uq6jp - true not binding but it's bold to decide to ignore an apparition of Mary All Holy. BTW the "were you there" road that Bryan objects to IS as he said the atheists' argument.
I thank God that k learnt lesson living away from family abroad in namely that a fotograph or picture does not replace genuine person nor make up for his/her absence ,nor does it replace him/her.its idol forbidden these pictures statues..this "essay"makes it more complicated than it is and it adds to scripture .
It is not meant to replace him/her, but to remember her…Showing respect to an image of someone you love is no idol worshipping. The truth is you probably don’t know what is worshipping nor what is an idol. An image of the True God is not God indeed but can’t be an idol either. If it represents Christ with due respect and correctly it conveys information about Him, as well as His grace like everything that is blessed by Him. As do the Holy Bible, but kissing the Bible isn’t an act of idolatry for you, is it ?
We don’t add to scriptures, we explain and attempt to live the scriptures the right way, the way inherited by the apostles. scriptures is one of the pillar of our Faith but not the only one. As members of the Holy Church of Christ, we inherited the Scriptures and all the Tradition of the Church which comes from God through the holy apostles… You shouldn’t say things you don’t understand.
Great stuff. Keep at it.
The question is how did Mary, a sinner, though a victorioius sinner, have a son untouched by sin? It is not possible. Jesus took his flesh from Mary. Her flesh had to be sinless, not just in deed, but in reality.
The question is endless… you could also say, how could The Holy Virgin Mary who is sinless be engendered by sinners that are St Joachim and Anna…
@@gebranhaddad6312 Thank you so much for saying this. Hardly anybody points this out. If Christ had to be in a body free of sin, to be free of sin, why did Mary NOT have to be in a body free of sin to be free of sin??? It's simply illogical.
So she didn’t sin,but had original sin?
Orthodoxy believes that, while everyone bears the 'ancestral' consequences of original sin, which is death, only Adam and Eve are actually guilty. So it's easy to think of Mary (as well as ourselves being subject to death and that's all. I can imagine Mary did not sin as she was chosen by God but I can also imagine she received an abundance of graces too. Catholicism, for instance, teaches that everyone is guilty at birth.
Very very well researched. Thanks
Please help me here. I am Orthodox. I have heard different things about the immaculate conception. Did Augustine say, or not say or write that sexual intercourse was the mechanism by which the stain of original sin was passed on from generation to generation? Do the Catholics hold that we inherit ancestral guilt of original sin, a stain on the soul, or a fallen human nature/impediment to knowing God's will, or something else, or some combination?
Do Roman Catholics believe that the guilt of original sin is passed on by sexual intercourse? Do they believe that Mary's parents conceived her without normal physical sexual intercourse but by some kind of miraculous insemination? Do Catholics hold that Mary did not have fallen human nature at all?
In reality the most common answer I get from Orthodox about the Immaculate Conception of Mary is that we actually believe it because we don't believe in the kind of "non-immaculate" nature of conceptions in general that Roman Catholics do.
In reality that rationalization is sort of weak. I'd recommend you Google "original sin in the Byzantine dormiton homilies" by Patrick Truglia if you want the nitty gritty.
Do Orthodox Believe Mary committed sin in her life? No. Does the Orthodox believe that Mary is purest of pure virgins forever and always? Do Orthodox believe in Papal Dogmatic teachings? No. That's how I see it.
Do Orthodox believe Mary was ever under the dominion of Satan? I'm gonna say no. Call it whatever you want. Reject whichever theologian or paradigm. But what is the POINT?
Orthodox believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary.
@@williammcguire130 Yeah I'm Orthodox Cathecumen now
@@williammcguire130 Could you explain this? Our Lord and Saviour had step brothers which would mean Mary clearly stopped being a virgin aftre the virgin birth of Jesus. I also don't see any BIBLICAL evidence for Mary being sinless which is strange - if that were the case you'd expect such an important detail to be in the eternal word of God. Furthermore in Luke 1:46-47 Mary calls on "God her Saviour" and Romans 3:23 tells us "ALL have fallen short of the glory of God", not once do we see the mention of anyone sinless but our Lord and Saviour who took on flesh. Mary being sinless is significant, especially since she's a creation unlike the Son of God Jesus Christ so without inquiring into church history, I don't see how this belief came about that she is sinless
I'm not here to cause strife, just here to learn but if possible please provide biblical evidence (since if it was in God's word I'd have no choice but to accept these things). I'm interested in Eastern Orthodoxy and believe their Trinity doctrine is unmatched but some of the things they practice are holding me back. I do admit, I'm not well educated on church history and the writings of Saints so bare with me. Thank you, God bless you
@@sathsojourns Gladly. The Gospels were originally written in Greek and in Koine Greek the word that is translated as brother can also mean cousin or other male relative. Mary's perpetual virginity is seen as fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 44:2, and was held by the earliest Fathers of Christianity in both the West and East.
@@williammcguire130 Interesting, I'd appreciate if you elaborated on the context for Ezekiel 44:2. What about her sinless nature as a human? Lastly my brother, this has nothing to do with what I asked above but could you help me understand what Eastern Orthodox Christians believe about heaven and hell?
Isn't that addition to scripture about maryhere in bible does it say that !?
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church (EOTC) strictly believe and practice the dogma of Immaculate Conception.
Coptic Orthodox reject it th-cam.com/video/JrXOvJma7ek/w-d-xo.html
Orthodox Christian Theology Just as God banned Adam because He cannot be around sin Christ also cannot live in a womb of sin. Saint Gabriel said you are blessed AMONG ALL women. Another example, A bad tree bares bad fruit a good tree bares good fruit. Very simple.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology
*Here are about 30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC*
As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences.
*Dogma Differences*
1. We believe that Saint Mary was born stainless immaculate conception - (Coptics believe she was born with sin)
2. We believe that Saint Mary has no sin or nature to sin after birth as well
*Jewish Practices*
1. We have Ark Processions year-round
2. We abstain from all unclean food (pork, shrimp, crab, etc)
3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women)
4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity
5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion)
6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc)
7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74)
8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3)
9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday)
*EOTC Belief System*
1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39)
2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days
3. We fast 296 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast)
4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses
5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes
6. We have a 2-priest liturgy system unlike Coptics
7. We close curtains during significant moments
8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin
9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3)
10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round
11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat)
12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water)
13. Believers have continual baptisms year round for healing and forgiveness of sin
14. We do not eat bread or bring any food inside church (unlike Coptics)
15. Only men can pour Holy Water
16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel)
*Explanation:*
While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith making us really a third type of Orthodox. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Jewish to Christian so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), constant baptism, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from pork and any other unclean meat and 296 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary.
Thank you have a nice day.
Blessings in Christ
Sources:
1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/
2. M/r RODAS
th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html. MAHBER KIDUSAN
th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1IL/w-d-xo.htmlika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary
th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMIh/w-d-xo.htmlttps://www.eotchurch.ca/sites/default/files/Order (www.eotchurch.ca/sites/default/files/Order) of Church Fasts & Feasts.pdf
@@eotceotc It means you are better than anyone else ?
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology so who is right? If only there was a way to sort this out?
Wasn’t she cleansed of original (ancestral) sin at the Annunciation though?
Yes. She surely no longer has original sin, in fact her voluntary death was attained by overcoming sin. The Patristics speak of her being "subject to corruption" and death, but at the same time overcoming it.
- 30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC -
Purpose: This was written to educate and give Ethiopian believers a BETTER understanding of the origin of their faith, history and tradition and answer why the EOTC is quite different from other orthodoxies. This should not to be interpreted in the wrong way, unity is important but so is transparency.
Author: As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences.
✅ ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED!
*Dogma Differences*
1. We believe that Saint Mary was born without original sin
2. We believe that Saint Mary has NO fallen nature no sin or nature to sin after birth as well
*Jewish Practices*
Matt 5:17 - “I did not come to abolish the Law”
1. We have Ark Processions year-round
2. We abstain from all unclean food (Halal, pork, shrimp, crab, etc)
3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women)
4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity
5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion)
6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc)
7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74)
8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3)
9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday)
10. Women after giving birth have to wait 40 days or 80 days to enter church. ( Lev 12)
*EOTC Belief System*
1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39)
2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days
3. We fast 292 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast)
4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses (Deut 22:5)
5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes
6. We have a 2 or more priest liturgy system (Coptics have 1)
7. We close curtains during significant moments
8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin
9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3)
10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round
11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat)
12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water)
13. Believers have (Full Body - Holy Water) services year round for healing and forgiveness of sin
14. We do not eat bread inside church
15. Only men can pour Holy Water
16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel)
17. We have to fast 18 hours to take communion (3 days of no intercourse)
18. We prohibit any use of contraceptives or birth control (Genesis 38:6-11)
*Explanation:*
While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Christianity’s former faith so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), Year round Full Body Holy Water Services, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from unclean meat and 292 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary.
Thank you have a nice day.
Blessings in Christ
Sources:
1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/
2. M/r RODAS
th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html.
3. MAHBER KIDUSAN
th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1I/w-d-xo.html
4. Dersane Gabriel Tahsas Ch. 21-22
5. Ethiopia’s 4000 year history
m.th-cam.com/video/pd1J_527Cxk/w-d-xo.html
6. Lika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary
th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMI/w-d-xo.html
7. Holy Synod’s published document titled “The Doctrine and Foreign Relations of the EOTC”
8. No Fish on Fasting Day (EOTC)
th-cam.com/video/l1Q2CvMebtQ/w-d-xo.html
9. Fetha Negest
10. Mesafe Kebur
11. Kebra Negest
12. The Didache Ch 6
U do understand mary is a jewish woman. And each month she got her period. In her nature as woman she became impure and unclean, and seen as guilty.
Luke 2:21-24 (PESH) AND when the eight days completed to circumcise the child, his name was called Jeshu, for he was so called by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
And when were completed, the days of their purification according to the law of Musha, they carried him up to Urishlem, to present him* before the Lord:
(as it is written in the law of the Lord, That every male openeth the matrix the holy to the Lord shall be called:)
and to offer the sacrifice as it is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtle-doves, or two of the young of pigeons.
As ethiopian u know u can't debate God, He is the lawmaker.
Romans 3:19-20 (PESH) BUT we know that whatever the law saith, to them who are under the law it saith: that every mouth may be shut, and all the world be guilty unto Aloha.
Because by the works of the law no flesh is justified before him; for from the law sin is known.
God made mary as a woman, so it's God too who shut the door for the sinless mary's theory according to mosaic laws He gave to moses.
@@waitandsee9345
Interesting, you know no one uses this verse anymore because
1): By trying to use this verse against Saint Mary you invariably use it against her child as it says *their* purification and not her purification.
2) *Secondly, there were no offerings made*
Jesus did not have to be offered in the Temple, nor did Mary have to offer her two turtle doves because they were both pure from birth. *They submitted to the Law out of humility and deference to the Father*
What next? Are we going to say Jesus is not God because He came in human form or that because He knelt and prayed, or that because He was Baptized that it was for the “remission of sin” ? Saint Mary and Jesus were devoted Jews who regardless of their nature followed the Laws.
Please have more contextual understanding of the Bible before making claims that even fundamentalist don’t use any more.
@@eotceotc here
Leviticus 12:2-4, 6 (JPOT) Speak unto the children of Israel, saying: If *a woman be delivered, and bear a man-child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of the impurity of her sickness shall she be unclean.*
*And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.*
And she shall continue in the blood of purification three and thirty days; *she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purification be fulfilled.*
And *when the days of her purification are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtle-dove, for a sin-offering,* unto the door of the tent of meeting, unto the priest.
@@eotceotc we both know Jesus came to fullfil the laws, not to abolish. He died because of the law. Even God, Father doesn't spare His Son to fullfil the law. Yes, Jesus died under the law. So why should Father spares mary from the law?
Galatians 4:4-5 (PESH) But when the fulness of the time had come, *Aloha sent his Son,* and made from a woman, and *made under the law,*
that them who were under the law he might redeem, and we might receive the constitution of sons.
@@eotceotc Jesus really came as man
Philippians 2:5-8 (WEBM) Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua,
who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but *emptied himself,* taking the form of a servant, *being made in the likeness of men.*
And *being found in human form,* he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.
Do not forget when a woman has period or gives birth, she shall be unclean and impure. And whosoever touch uncleaness is considered to be guilty.
Leviticus 5:3 (JPOT) or if he touch the uncleanness of man, whatsoever his uncleanness be wherewith he is unclean, and it be hid from him; and, when he knoweth of it, *BE GUILTY*.
It's counted as sin, that's why there are *aburnt offering* and *A SIN OFFERING*
Leviticus 12:1-3, 6 (JPOT) And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying:
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying: If a woman be delivered, and bear a man-child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of the impurity of her sickness shall she be unclean.
And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
And when the days of her purification are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtle-dove, *for a sin-offering,* unto the door of the tent of meeting, unto the priest.
likewise st paul wrote anyone lives under mosaic laws will judged by the law
Romans 3:19 (WEBM) Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God.
Since Mary, as a jewish woman, she also falls under torah's judgement in her nature as a woman during her periods and after giving birth to our Lord. She was found guilty, so she did the offerings too according to mosaic laws.
Luke 2:21-24 (WEBM) When eight days were fulfilled for the circumcision of the child, his name was called Yeshua, which was given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
When the days of their purification according to the Torah of Moses were fulfilled, they brought him up to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord
(as it is written in the Torah of the Lord, “Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”),
and to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the Torah of the Lord, “A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.”
Turretin Fans video Final Response to William Albrecht on Immaculate Conception is excellent.
I'd wager without the Orthodox doctrine it could not fully address the question.
Nah! It is not that great. The fact that you think TurretinFan is a good apologist against Catholicism tells me all I need to know about your views.
@@gch8810 that's not an argument that's an assertion...I can say just the opposite, the fact that you think It's a good response or that you think William Albrecht is a good Catholic apologists tells me all I need to know about your views.
@@gch8810 but that doesn't solve or prove anything does it...all it really does is demonstrate uncharitableness and really a lack of maturity.
@@gch8810 stick to the arguments, I noticed you didn't respond to my challenge to demonstrate your tradition to actually be apostolic from another channel comment thread (but you found time/chose to make an uncharitable remark here on a different video comment thread).
Anyone hear of St Bernadette? Just sayin....(I say this with respect and love.... you seem like an amazing scholar and Christian but the Orthodox not accepting this .... I am shocked and saddened.... Mary is the Immaculate Conception..... do you reject the account of St Bernadette?.... How about the fruits of Lourdes? I would think if it was a false teaching and phony apparition.... the miracles of Lourdes would not have occurred. Also, have you read any of Blessed John Duns Scotus’ writings on the Immaculate Conception?
The immaculate conception is zeal without knowledge. It completely destroys our salvation
@@mariorizkallah5383 So, in other words, Fatima is all BS
I'm sorry. If u were jewish woman under the mosaic laws u would be found guilty during ur period and/or giving birth. U would become unclean and impure. Must offer burnt offering and sin offering in return.
Luke 2:21-24 (PESH) AND when the eight days completed to circumcise the child, his name was called Jeshu, for he was so called by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
And when were completed, the days of their purification according to the law of Musha, they carried him up to Urishlem, to present him* before the Lord:
(as it is written in the law of the Lord, That every male openeth the matrix the holy to the Lord shall be called:)
and to offer the sacrifice as it is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtle-doves, or two of the young of pigeons.
Just remember they are jews, not gentiles.
We romans have forgotten what we meant by the immaculate conception of Mary and this is the great source of scandal and division for orthodoxy. The belief in the Immaculate conception referred to the soul of Mary being preserved from the stain of sin. This idea was developed in the following context: the doctrine of insoulment and the inheritance of original sin through generation. Insoulment is the doctrine which teaches that every soul is created by God and not the product of simple human mechanisms. Thus a body (flesh) is created (in modern terms we would say this happen when the egg is fertilized) and then God breath or creates a soul inside of this body. Original sin is transmitted from Adam and Eve to his descendants through their bodies, to the bodies of those generated by them and then this inherited fallen flesh being united to its soul stains or pierces the soul (which God creates without sin, as sin is not God's creation) with wickedness, or with the exile from paradise, or the lack of original justice, or original sin. The Mother of God, according to the Romans, inherited a mortal and fallen flesh subject to passions and evil desires, but in the moment of her conception, by special grace her soul was preserved into the original justice in which God creates all of us. So from the beginning of her existence, the soul of the Theotokos was open to the deifying grace that was to come, empowering her with the needed freedom to synergetically cooperate with God in the incarnation. However, she remained subject to life in a fallen flesh and in doing so gained merit before God (that's why we even sing in Easter that she merited to conceived Christ). It was until the incarnation that the Theotokos was made free from concupiscence (the evil disorder of the bodily passions) and ergo achieved apatheia and it was until her resurrection from the dead that she was made free from the mortality and all the consequences of a fallen flesh. This was the doctrine of the bishops of the Vatican I, who confirmed the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception and it was the doctrine of the mariologists of that time. It's now that many Catholics straying from orthodoxy teach that Mary was free from concupiscence or not subject to death wrongly understanding to what the doctrine refers or how original sin is even transmitted.
Private revelations sound wonderfully spiritual but nevertheless, are binding only on those who receive them. Public revelation, which we are bound to believe was completed and concluded, with the death of the last apostle so Lourdes, Fatima etc do not have to be believed and certainly not used as a yardstick for religious doctrine.
Oh bro now this is sooooooo goood!
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I’ve been orthodox two years so much to learn but bro you filled some gaps for me!
Even Mary stated she rejoiced in her savior
@@alexpanagiotis4706 ALL have sinned and fell short. That means Mary
@@alexpanagiotis4706 Why not? The word of God doesn't say 'All except Mary have fallen short of the glory of God", it says "ALL have fallen short of the glory of God"
@@alexpanagiotis4706 Sure, many were righteous but ask yourself why. Because they in and off themselves were good? No, Jesus says none are good but God and the word tells us our ‘good works’ are like filthy rags. We were made God’s righteousness because of our Messiah’s finished works on the cross and resurrection. Abraham was justified by his faith, and in the book of James we see his works/obedience were simply proof of his faith
@@alexpanagiotis4706 I agree, I take no honour away from her. Mary is blessed and the title ‘Theotokos’ makes sense as she IS the vessel God planned to use to birth His Son in the flesh. Hence why she is called the ‘God Bearer’. I’m asking where in the word of God does it tell us she is sinless, we are shown only JESUS is sinless and that is because He is God in the flesh. This is excluding any church history ofc, don’t take insult to my questions I just wanna hear you out. Just to clarify though, Mary being a part of the salvation plan is because God included her in His plan not because of anything special about her. We see this all the time in Scripture: Moses parted the sea for the glory of God; Elijah summoned fire from the heavens for the glory of God etc etc. God bless you, I hope you don’t take offence, I think it’s good we can discuss doctrine like this. 2 Timothy 2:15 tells us to study to show ourselves approved. If I’m wrong about anything, please help me out with biblical proof and ofc church history. Stay firm in Christ!
She said GOD MY SAVIOR - Present tence, not CHRIST MY SAVIOR WHO IS TO COME AFTER I GIVE BIRTH TO HIM.
Some do. 😂
Interesting. Thanks.
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ok give a simple answer, yes/no why
Of course, this is Orthodox ERROR. Mary did not have original sin. God would never have created any kind of impurity in the person chosen to be the mother of His Son. She never could have been a temple for the creation of the Son of God without having been a perfect vessel .It takes a while to get the story straight. This commentator keeps referring to "the saints", but there are numerous saints which the Orthodox do not accept, who have revealed and proven the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. Mary herself has told us this, However the Orthodox do not accept this, either. Mary WAS ASSUMED BODILY INTO HEAVEN, she did not simply go to "sleep". Bernadette Soubirous is an incorruptible saint who spoke to the Blessed Virgin, who told her that she was the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. Lourdes, France is proof that the Blessed Virgin was there and there have been thousands of miracles. The Orthodox Churches have been in disarray for centuries. They are "stuck in the mud", so to speak and surely do not recognize the miracles of Fatima, either. Actually, they do not acknowledge the numerous times throughout the centuries, when the Blessed Virgin appeared throughout the history of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. Greek Orthodox are still so set in their arrogant beliefs that they do not even recognize any baptisms other than their own! In reality there are 2.3 billion Christians throughout the world, and only less than 300 million are the so-called "Orthodox" who have numerous patriarchs and do not agree on anything!! Communism spread rapidly throughout the Orthodox countries while Roman Catholic and American Christians were able to fight it off. The Greek Patriarch in Istanbul has only 1200 followers there, in a city of 14 million! Other Christians there are between 200-300,00! When the Warning from God comes, all will be shown the truth of the Roman Catholic faith. It will be followed by a Great Miracle. Those who do not accept the truth, await the Great Tribulation. What is your choice? I am so glad that the Blessed Virgin speaks to us and that she left her image on earth in Mexico, as Christ did on the Holy Shroud of Turin. Of course, the Orthodox deny this. Too bad for you!
i like how despite being ignorant you still have the audacity to talk about something you know nothing about
Gail Karrer: the "clarification" that is posed by Roman Catholic Mariological apologia, that "the Immaculate Conception DOES NOT signify a Virgin Birth", is, to Orthodox understanding, demonic casuistry. No one need spell it out; or, for that matter, that Christ's Conception (unlike His Mother's) was IMMACULATE AND THEREFORE VIRGINAL! That the Theotokos was free of sin, the Orthodox have always taught; that She Herself was conceived Immaculately - NEVER!
and yet you mention none of the corruption in Rome or the latest allegations of Pope Francis' history of sodomy, whilst in Argentina?