I played this when it came out as Paragon!!! I never thought I’d get the chance to play it again!! My Big Homie Nate was one of the character designers and developers for Steel and Sevarog
Not sure why countess is in expert for jungle? You really just need to get a feel for how much damage you can deal and take. She clears fast and ganks are just L1 in, unload kit, L1 out (usually resulting in a kill). I'd put her in hard but only because you have to be careful with positioning and meta, because khaimera counters her well and is a really popular jungle pick.
I think the more you play her you’ll find that it’s gonna require you to pull off some do or die moments with her skill shots, you’ll also run into dekkers that are better than you and it’s because they have the expert amount of time on champion. I’m glad you’re finding success and hope you continue too!!!! Thanks for commenting
@@middiff349 yeah, the stun it's like siggs bomb from LoL and the cage it's the same as Odin's Ult in smite, her Ult it's the only ability that kinda new for me but overall it's a pretty safe and easy support to play
@@ElClownz dekker i totally agree that is not on a esey. This video main target is new player. So as a new player do y think honestly that ppl will hit the stun all the time? That they will use cage to safe a carry? That they can combo slow+cage+ult? Use her passive to get a way from a stick situation? (Her passive is so simple and i still see ppl use by mistake)... by the way the dekker cage do no last long so... well if after all this questions y still think dekker is a esey pick to a new player its ok m8.
I feel Shinbi and feng mao should be switched in offlane. I think Shinbi is slightly easier to get a custom to and get usefulness than feng mao. But just my personal opinion.
Been a Kallari main since paragon day 1! And i gotta say Kallari jungle feels a lot easier in Predecessor than it did in Paragon. But I think that’s cuz I already knew how to play her going into predecessor, offlane was a pretty different story tho 😂 but I got it down pretty quick 🙏 not as good as jungling but slowly getting better
Prior knowledge is huge!!!! Changes the learning curve!!!! But congrats on making that bitch your main cause that’s a pain in the ass to do but once she starts spreading her wings you’re hooked for life!!!!
Wolfy I appreciate your comment and your opinion, but you don’t know what you don’t know. Grux absolutely has a place in the support role. He continues to be one of the best peel support champions in the game and has 3/4 abilities that either stun displace or knock up , they are instant casts with easy hit boxes and he doesn’t get mispositioned when executing them either like steel. He synergizes extremely well with rift walkers and is a great counter for Riktor and Steel and Eliminates khaimera from being able to gank the lane. Obviously melee champions are harder and require great pathing or peek-a-boo tactics at pillar or fogwall but with Grux ‘s pull you shouldn’t have any engage issues.
Imho shinbi is more medium than expert, shes not that difficult to be effective with, just has a high skill ceiling, shes also decently safe with her double dash and not as easily punished as some other characters
Sevarog and Crunch are my two main characters. Crunch being my hardest carry character. Been playing the game since back in the closed beta, and before that, back in the Paragon days. Sevarog IMO is way harder to play then 90% of the characters here. Sure he doesn’t have any skill shots. But building stacks efficiently take way more concentration then anything else in this game(I average full stacks at 15mins while laning and around 18-20mins when jungling, so this isn’t some scrub Sev players talking)
You got some videos of you hitting max stacks at 15 minutes in lane? Cuz that would be the fastest time anyone gets sev stacked in a role he mostly loses and falls behind in so id love to see what you're doing
@@incoherentpanda4925 dude most players who have been playing the character as long as I have can get that pretty consistently. Hell a friend of mine once hit max stacks in 11 mins with him, and I’ve seen a video of another player doing it at 13 mins(13 being my fastest as well). 15-17mins is pretty average for a long time Sevarog player, and anything after 20 mins tells me you’re either new, or bad with the character. Hate to break it to you, but not all good players are content creators, and I’d hardly consider myself worth noting. As I said, anyone who’s been playing the character as long as I have who can’t consistently hit max at 15-17 mins, probably shouldn’t still be playing the character. As for constantly losing and falling behind, that’s just further tells me you don’t know how to play him. Sev isn’t a very good laner, admittedly, but he is a very safe laner. If you play it right, you can easily just farm until late game where you finally come online. This adds to my point on his difficulty, but not by much. His ult, dash,root, and high survivability makes him incredibly hard to gank and force out of lane, despite his weak early game.
@hazardous8301 take the ego down a notch pal, obviously I'm new if I'm asking a self proclaimed experienced sev player to see what you're doing so I can learn. Keep shitting on new players tho I'm sure that'll increase player count, dick
@@incoherentpanda4925 how does my comment that specifically expresses my opinion that anyone who’s played the character as much as me can do just as well, display an Ego? Also your original comment comes off more as a “yah right pal, I’ll believe it when I see it” then is does a genuine request for advice. But I apologize for the misunderstanding. Best advice I can give is watch Reapers Sev videos of you want to see good sev gameplay. But honestly playing Sev efficiently is a lot more about getting a feel for it then any specific thing. One thing I can say is when laning try to focus the camps in the back. Once you get a feel for it, you can a lot of the time get the ranged mobs weak enough to kill with siphon, right as your minions get the front ones low enough, allowing you to get most of the wave. This obviously Varies though, depending on your lane opponent and how fast their killing your minions, or how aggressive they play. Sev is a lot about getting a feel for his damage and getting use to the minion kill thresh holds at each level, and knowing your match ups. But also as previously mentioned, he’s also really hard to force out of lane once you get a feel for him, thanks to his high survivability, dash, and CC.
Very good ranking and agree with most points however id say the only heros that are truly expert tier are wraith and kallari. With feng mao, riktor and muriel coming in after in hard. I wouldnt put countess above feng mao at all in the jungle. Id put them both at most in hard.
Great vid well made, Why is Wraith always considerd one of the hardest characters. All you do is hit or miss a shot and postion well. I would argue Iggy is twice as hard. As you have no mobilty and must understand where the next possible fight might be so you can have turrets ready.
So it’s feast or famine with wraith, ALL OF HIS damage is connected to his shot so if you miss you lose, perfection is unforgiving and for some he will be easier but for others not so much, iggy doesn’t have this constraint but rather is way more forgiving because turrets auto lock and his aoe is easy to land- the most difficult part about him is despising how to execute but not the execution it self. You think iggy takes more than 50 games to learn?
@swypht Iggy has a lot of descions to make. Do I need to ult for peel. Can I Ult them into my turrets and lock them down? Should I even level my turret early game because It a free 5 gold every time it's destroyed. Having knowledge of others' gods kits so you can place the turret in locations they can't hit and will take damage from when they approach it. Also, a bigger knowledge of item builds and counters because u won't get away with a tried and tested build every game. Sometimes u need HP, others it's slows and mibilty and even lifsteal if u can live long enough and kite. Each build switches up how you play in fights. I don't struggle with game mechanics. That's probably why I think Wraith is easy and a bit cringe. If you have played games as an ADC and hit some AAs u can play Wraith.
@@MRMC99999 your describing a lot of things that affect all champions - game knowledge affects every champion relatively the same and is a pain in the ass to juggle. If a beginner was first timing iggy they will be able to execute his abilities and find moderate success against like leveled opposition, yes they will make mistakes but they don’t effect him as much as a champion like wraith. The difficulty of landing multiple skill shots to proc a meaningful amount of damage is very difficult for someone first timing wraith, this mechanical difficulty + the game knowledge you are speaking of combined make the amount of time it takes to be decent longer. But people do experience champions differently and your experience may be diffrent. We are just saying wraith as a whole experience the worst win rate in the game because he is harder generally for people to execute than an iggy who struggles with general character strength rather than mechanical difficulty
@swypht Yeah, it makes total sense with newer players to the genre. My perspective is a bit skewed. I have a lot of Moba experience. I usually focus on descion making rather than mechanics. Thanks for taking the time to respond 👊🏻
Is ranked is all over the place wraith has an ability to go into the shadow realm and escape. I think Murdock is a lot harder to master. He is literally a glass cannon.
Do you think you’re a good representation for the avg gamer? You’ve master timing her passive and understand the implications when it’s on cool down during fights, you’ve mastered landing her skill shots 100% of the time let alone mastered hitting the entire wave of minions and the enemy champion with it, every time you ult you secure the kill and don’t let people get away, you also perfectly stack obelisk with that ult, you hold dashes for counter play, you understand a high enough macro because of how you synergize with team composition. That’s without even factoring in controller!!!! I want you to take that list of masteries with positive intent. I think thats a lot for the avg person to master all while figuring out wards map rotation, counting cooldowns of your opponent, wave management etc… If it took you 5 games then your an anomaly -> an outlier, the 1%, and no matter where I put champions on the list the rules or even guidelines will probably never apply to you, I appreciate your feedback because we forget that not everyone is General population and I don’t want you to think we forgot you!!! You just need a little less help than other people.
Am I a good representation for an avg gamer. Well, I'd say I'm better than your avg joe but nowhere near pcc lvls and stuff. But tbf, I'm not really and offlaner, and I still have a pretty good success with her when I have to play the offlane. I trully don't think she's that hard. I ofc take the vid positively, it's a pretty good list overall, it's that some choices are not really correct imo
@@Kombiichrist I appreciate the positive take, so shinbi finds a lot of success cause she’s strong and scales, but mastery is kinda diffrent than finding success, there are things BN bears can do with shinbi I could never replicate because I don’t have enough time or willingness to play the champion. There are thresholds of mastery. I appreciate you taking the time to watch!!!!!
Bruh I clap with him and is a great counter to khai, I will probably always advocate for it but you have to like playing steel - he’s a steel that doesn’t put himself out of position and his cc abilities are more instant
True for the most part. BUT we need to remenber that predecessor is a child from paragon so a lot o (new players) come from paragon. If you totally new yeah sure. But if y come from paragon and you play a lot of it . The diference is not to big. Some skills here and there... but sevarog for example is the same guy. If you know how to farm is stacks in paragon in predecessor it will be the same stuff.
"I would never feel comfortable with somebody playing an 'expert' tier champion for the first time in my game." That's a pretty toxic attitude man. If you're a high tier MMR player then you're probably playing with high tier MMR people and should act better towards your teammates that got to the same level as you for a reason. Get off the high horse and help the person. "Feel comfortable" lol what a joke...
Appreciate the comment cause I think you have a valid opinion. In my defense we had to create criteria to evaluate each champion. No One Likes to Lose because there’s only so many hours in a day and a lot of my community has time to play 1 maybe 2 games every couple of days because they have life outside of this game. How can I help this person enjoy the game and maximize his winning potential while avoiding unnecessary losses. People can’t help but lose on expert champions because it’s out of there control whether it’s team composition issues, mechanics, etc… so instead of dooming hundreds of games with people you don’t know, I want people to be aware of the possible outcome, second let them know it’s not fun for other people mailing in a game due to learning, there are ways to mitigate the problems like the practice tool and AI matches and even taking the champion into 5 stacks with people who don’t mind that can help bridge the gap on certain champs rather than first time grabbing an expert champion with random people and purposefully sabotaging other peoples time. It’s not toxic to think of other people and being aware that you might receive some negative feedback from people along your journey of learning hard to master champions.
Also if I came off as toxic or on a high horse that is far from my world view of this game, I spend hours unpaid with the very little free time after work trying to give back to the community with these videos, my channel had 100subs for the longest time and I was still making bad how to videos to help people. At the end of the day that’s all I’m trying to do, is help as many people as I can. I know I can’t help everyone but I read your comment and I took it to heart, and really wondered about weather my underlining message was miss conveyed or how do I get better so that I don’t miss communicate. I assume positive intent when talking to people and I hope you know I wouldn’t waste my time trying to be toxic or talking down to people , I always try to preach being blessed staying positive and being safe. I hope you have the best day!!!!
I quit bc I've outlaned from start and killed the guy all at lvl one then I died to minions yet the minions died to his turret as well so he lost xp he came back lvl 2 while i was still lvl 1??????????? That's happened 3x now. Also threw a game and said screw it I'm gonna go sparrow to sparrow lvl 7 and only bought one item he was lvl 14 and I wrecked him 1v1 and still had half my health?????? Game is not working correct
What!?!?!? Do you have the replay for the still lvl 1 game and him getting to level 2 first? That be an interesting game to watch back because the game does work so there has to be an explanation. Hit me up on discord!!!
Grim.exe is way better in mid than on carry. His kit naturally counters mages, I routinely bully gideon or morigesh players that give me trouble when playing any other mage.
I deffinetly don’t mind that adaption, the only thing that I would point out is Grims Lack of multiple people damage like a Gideon or gadget ult, or even the lack of team CC like Belica can create some gaps in team chemistry
@@swypht I don't have a huge AOE ult but the magic build on grim gives ability haste so I'm throwing out displacement orbs alot and the ult is very oppressive at shutting down key players. The last few weeks I've been having some of my best performances in any MOBA ever playing grim in mid. Often ending with over 20 kills and top damage unless our carry works extra hard.
Yeah she’s on the list and this isn’t a tierlist but rather an evaluation of how many games it take you to master, and provides examples per difficulty.
Not me picking shinbi my first 2 online matches in offlane😂. 1st match went 9/6 against a dual pistol red dude i think its name is revenant. 2nd match i got destroyed 1/11 by an immortal mf, pretty suure it was his ult that threw like a giant yellow glowing sword and his health would shoot all the way back up. The only moba I played before is LOL and my main champs were darius, akali, riven. If anyone can recommend similar champs in predecessor. Thanks
The immortal was graystone, and the dual pistol guy was twin blast and he shouldn’t have been that lane because he was a carry. To be honest the assassins in this game aren’t quite like LOL, but crunch Kwang feng mao countess and shinbi will be similar enough to where you should find one that’s fun but all range in difficulty and are on the harder side to learn. GL
None actually, all of the videos are created in the same way, it takes hours my friend and the amount of time you would think chat gpt would save you would be used creating the prompts to create the script because computers are the dumbest smart thing in the world, just so you know I start with concepts and outcomes, create outlines for what content should be executed, once you come up with how a piece of the outline is made you kinda just rinse and repeat (character strengths weaknesses, build, matchups, my opinion or experiences, any cerebral projection or outcome that could be passed based off decisions. I’m fairly educated and methodical so this lends to being able to spin my opinions into words. So know I take this comment as a compliment - as a gesture that I take a lot of pride in, although I do feel like you meant it to be a slight jab to undercut a lot of the hard work i put in to help people considering we don’t get paid to make these video. We make these videos to help and I hope you can eventually see that. Thank you for your support
Wow i play shinbi wraith a serapth and they are all hard or expert :0. I did struggle at 1st but now i feel i cant win most 1v1s on wraith i will say as a master shinbi she is wayyy easier to play than mid wraith. Wayyy easier.
He can be for sure, he’s easy to play hard to master. Tank RMpage is litterally turn on razorback ult and win. But assassin rampage where you rely on your rock and ability to get in and get out isn’t so easy because you don’t have the health pool. This play style can easily skill gap people. All depend on the user!!! Great comment!!!
@@blogtrump9965 so competitive and high elo lobby’s are well beyond the format for a video like this. Most High level players understand all champions as well as there limitations. To compete at a high level you’ve had to master something on your way to that level. The point I’m trying to make is rampage isn’t easily punished because of armor and razorback. You have a healthy clear, you have good team synergy, you won’t die a lot, and the kit it self is straight forward and not hard to understand. 10 hours of chucking rocks should get you good enough to start winning matches. So for new players most of the outcomes should be positive on rampage. Compare that experience to kallari that has a lot of mechanical, skill shot , health disadvantages to over come not to mention team comp synergy issues, as well as non health clear and reliant on kills….one outcome is much easier to pilot than the other.
Great analysis. Keep up the awesome videos 😊
Thanks man I think the way you ranked the tiers was pretty good and broke down everything well too
@@SirKerskii I appreciate the feedback -> means alot
I played this when it came out as Paragon!!! I never thought I’d get the chance to play it again!!
My Big Homie Nate was one of the character designers and developers for Steel and Sevarog
Never seen a support playing Grux
Should I make a video showing how crazy it is?
@@middiff349yes
I’ve seen it quite a bit the last week.
@@Eastra3probably been me lol. Everytime I'm forced to go support i do grux
@@jeanpaulb.5078 what’s your name? I’ll have to look it up. I am Reptilian Agenda.
Not sure why countess is in expert for jungle? You really just need to get a feel for how much damage you can deal and take. She clears fast and ganks are just L1 in, unload kit, L1 out (usually resulting in a kill). I'd put her in hard but only because you have to be careful with positioning and meta, because khaimera counters her well and is a really popular jungle pick.
Thank you always for the content love how it’s actually unique videos and very informational other than someone just talking on streams
The most hard thing is to play when doesn't have a server in your continent
A kinda disagree with the Dekker on expert, first time picking her I kept setting kills up for my team
So do you think you are maximizing her potential?
I think the more you play her you’ll find that it’s gonna require you to pull off some do or die moments with her skill shots, you’ll also run into dekkers that are better than you and it’s because they have the expert amount of time on champion. I’m glad you’re finding success and hope you continue too!!!! Thanks for commenting
@@middiff349 yeah, the stun it's like siggs bomb from LoL and the cage it's the same as Odin's Ult in smite, her Ult it's the only ability that kinda new for me but overall it's a pretty safe and easy support to play
@@ElClownz dekker i totally agree that is not on a esey. This video main target is new player. So as a new player do y think honestly that ppl will hit the stun all the time? That they will use cage to safe a carry? That they can combo slow+cage+ult? Use her passive to get a way from a stick situation? (Her passive is so simple and i still see ppl use by mistake)... by the way the dekker cage do no last long so... well if after all this questions y still think dekker is a esey pick to a new player its ok m8.
Dekker is very tactical, you either have to decide to punish with her or not
Diasgree with sev, minimum 25-50 matches to get used to him
Narbash can be a bad pick for support if you don’t understand how to manage mana correctly early game
I feel Shinbi and feng mao should be switched in offlane. I think Shinbi is slightly easier to get a custom to and get usefulness than feng mao. But just my personal opinion.
Crunch was an instant love of mine.
Been a Kallari main since paragon day 1! And i gotta say Kallari jungle feels a lot easier in Predecessor than it did in Paragon. But I think that’s cuz I already knew how to play her going into predecessor, offlane was a pretty different story tho 😂 but I got it down pretty quick 🙏 not as good as jungling but slowly getting better
Prior knowledge is huge!!!! Changes the learning curve!!!! But congrats on making that bitch your main cause that’s a pain in the ass to do but once she starts spreading her wings you’re hooked for life!!!!
Messing with people with Mori is something I've missed doing
Hey, how do you have this camera so far from the character like zoomed out? my game has t he camera right behind the character its so zoomed in
You can’t modify the game camera, just replay camera, hope this helps
@@swypht makes sense, it was driving me insane! Thanks!
Lol grux and Zarus are not supports.. plz never pick them for supp
Wolfy I appreciate your comment and your opinion, but you don’t know what you don’t know. Grux absolutely has a place in the support role. He continues to be one of the best peel support champions in the game and has 3/4 abilities that either stun displace or knock up , they are instant casts with easy hit boxes and he doesn’t get mispositioned when executing them either like steel. He synergizes extremely well with rift walkers and is a great counter for Riktor and Steel and Eliminates khaimera from being able to gank the lane. Obviously melee champions are harder and require great pathing or peek-a-boo tactics at pillar or fogwall but with Grux ‘s pull you shouldn’t have any engage issues.
Imho shinbi is more medium than expert, shes not that difficult to be effective with, just has a high skill ceiling, shes also decently safe with her double dash and not as easily punished as some other characters
Sevarog and Crunch are my two main characters. Crunch being my hardest carry character.
Been playing the game since back in the closed beta, and before that, back in the Paragon days. Sevarog IMO is way harder to play then 90% of the characters here. Sure he doesn’t have any skill shots. But building stacks efficiently take way more concentration then anything else in this game(I average full stacks at 15mins while laning and around 18-20mins when jungling, so this isn’t some scrub Sev players talking)
You got some videos of you hitting max stacks at 15 minutes in lane? Cuz that would be the fastest time anyone gets sev stacked in a role he mostly loses and falls behind in so id love to see what you're doing
@@incoherentpanda4925 dude most players who have been playing the character as long as I have can get that pretty consistently. Hell a friend of mine once hit max stacks in 11 mins with him, and I’ve seen a video of another player doing it at 13 mins(13 being my fastest as well). 15-17mins is pretty average for a long time Sevarog player, and anything after 20 mins tells me you’re either new, or bad with the character.
Hate to break it to you, but not all good players are content creators, and I’d hardly consider myself worth noting. As I said, anyone who’s been playing the character as long as I have who can’t consistently hit max at 15-17 mins, probably shouldn’t still be playing the character.
As for constantly losing and falling behind, that’s just further tells me you don’t know how to play him. Sev isn’t a very good laner, admittedly, but he is a very safe laner. If you play it right, you can easily just farm until late game where you finally come online. This adds to my point on his difficulty, but not by much. His ult, dash,root, and high survivability makes him incredibly hard to gank and force out of lane, despite his weak early game.
@hazardous8301 take the ego down a notch pal, obviously I'm new if I'm asking a self proclaimed experienced sev player to see what you're doing so I can learn. Keep shitting on new players tho I'm sure that'll increase player count, dick
@@incoherentpanda4925 how does my comment that specifically expresses my opinion that anyone who’s played the character as much as me can do just as well, display an Ego?
Also your original comment comes off more as a “yah right pal, I’ll believe it when I see it” then is does a genuine request for advice. But I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Best advice I can give is watch Reapers Sev videos of you want to see good sev gameplay. But honestly playing Sev efficiently is a lot more about getting a feel for it then any specific thing.
One thing I can say is when laning try to focus the camps in the back. Once you get a feel for it, you can a lot of the time get the ranged mobs weak enough to kill with siphon, right as your minions get the front ones low enough, allowing you to get most of the wave. This obviously Varies though, depending on your lane opponent and how fast their killing your minions, or how aggressive they play. Sev is a lot about getting a feel for his damage and getting use to the minion kill thresh holds at each level, and knowing your match ups. But also as previously mentioned, he’s also really hard to force out of lane once you get a feel for him, thanks to his high survivability, dash, and CC.
@@hazardous8301send a game ID i don’t believe it to be possible to hit max stacks at 11 minutes
Very good ranking and agree with most points however id say the only heros that are truly expert tier are wraith and kallari. With feng mao, riktor and muriel coming in after in hard. I wouldnt put countess above feng mao at all in the jungle. Id put them both at most in hard.
But otherwise a great video and can't wait to see more videos from you! Love the graphics!
Grux is legit so hard to manage in a good game 😂
Only just started this recently but really missed Paragon
Yoo, @swyphty rankeds are already announced! 🫡
We knew all this, give us the release so we can make it official!!!
we are so ready to just have it,
Shinbi harder than Sev in offlane? Insane take.
One problem i have with the game is with how common Gideon is, and my name is actually being Gideon. I get confused during the match lol
Find the albinauric woman
Next rank every champ on avg has a high impact on the match at the pro level. (META)
Great vid well made,
Why is Wraith always considerd one of the hardest characters. All you do is hit or miss a shot and postion well. I would argue Iggy is twice as hard. As you have no mobilty and must understand where the next possible fight might be so you can have turrets ready.
So it’s feast or famine with wraith, ALL OF HIS damage is connected to his shot so if you miss you lose, perfection is unforgiving and for some he will be easier but for others not so much, iggy doesn’t have this constraint but rather is way more forgiving because turrets auto lock and his aoe is easy to land- the most difficult part about him is despising how to execute but not the execution it self. You think iggy takes more than 50 games to learn?
@swypht Iggy has a lot of descions to make. Do I need to ult for peel. Can I Ult them into my turrets and lock them down? Should I even level my turret early game because It a free 5 gold every time it's destroyed. Having knowledge of others' gods kits so you can place the turret in locations they can't hit and will take damage from when they approach it. Also, a bigger knowledge of item builds and counters because u won't get away with a tried and tested build every game. Sometimes u need HP, others it's slows and mibilty and even lifsteal if u can live long enough and kite. Each build switches up how you play in fights.
I don't struggle with game mechanics. That's probably why I think Wraith is easy and a bit cringe. If you have played games as an ADC and hit some AAs u can play Wraith.
@@MRMC99999 your describing a lot of things that affect all champions - game knowledge affects every champion relatively the same and is a pain in the ass to juggle. If a beginner was first timing iggy they will be able to execute his abilities and find moderate success against like leveled opposition, yes they will make mistakes but they don’t effect him as much as a champion like wraith. The difficulty of landing multiple skill shots to proc a meaningful amount of damage is very difficult for someone first timing wraith, this mechanical difficulty + the game knowledge you are speaking of combined make the amount of time it takes to be decent longer. But people do experience champions differently and your experience may be diffrent. We are just saying wraith as a whole experience the worst win rate in the game because he is harder generally for people to execute than an iggy who struggles with general character strength rather than mechanical difficulty
@swypht Yeah, it makes total sense with newer players to the genre. My perspective is a bit skewed. I have a lot of Moba experience. I usually focus on descion making rather than mechanics. Thanks for taking the time to respond 👊🏻
@@MRMC99999 stay up my man, and no problem!!!
Luckily my experience is prestiged from Paragon
i played crunch my first time on the game in jungle and stomped the other team. not my first moba but was my first game
i disagree with shinbi. shes soooo easy to run
Is ranked is all over the place wraith has an ability to go into the shadow realm and escape. I think Murdock is a lot harder to master. He is literally a glass cannon.
I just put my team through my 4th pvp game with first time morg offlane send your wishes to them. We still won tho 😅
This list should not of been divided and should just be one big tierlist instead of this weird setup
I didn't need 50 games as Shinbi. In fact, I needed like 5. I don't really think she's super hard tho, I have easier time with her than with Greystone
I’m glad you were able to master her learning curve in 5 games!!!!
Do you think you’re a good representation for the avg gamer? You’ve master timing her passive and understand the implications when it’s on cool down during fights, you’ve mastered landing her skill shots 100% of the time let alone mastered hitting the entire wave of minions and the enemy champion with it, every time you ult you secure the kill and don’t let people get away, you also perfectly stack obelisk with that ult, you hold dashes for counter play, you understand a high enough macro because of how you synergize with team composition. That’s without even factoring in controller!!!!
I want you to take that list of masteries with positive intent. I think thats a lot for the avg person to master all while figuring out wards map rotation, counting cooldowns of your opponent, wave management etc…
If it took you 5 games then your an anomaly -> an outlier, the 1%, and no matter where I put champions on the list the rules or even guidelines will probably never apply to you, I appreciate your feedback because we forget that not everyone is General population and I don’t want you to think we forgot you!!! You just need a little less help than other people.
Am I a good representation for an avg gamer. Well, I'd say I'm better than your avg joe but nowhere near pcc lvls and stuff. But tbf, I'm not really and offlaner, and I still have a pretty good success with her when I have to play the offlane. I trully don't think she's that hard. I ofc take the vid positively, it's a pretty good list overall, it's that some choices are not really correct imo
@@Kombiichrist I appreciate the positive take, so shinbi finds a lot of success cause she’s strong and scales, but mastery is kinda diffrent than finding success, there are things BN bears can do with shinbi I could never replicate because I don’t have enough time or willingness to play the champion. There are thresholds of mastery. I appreciate you taking the time to watch!!!!!
Can we let go of the Grux support??
Bruh I clap with him and is a great counter to khai, I will probably always advocate for it but you have to like playing steel - he’s a steel that doesn’t put himself out of position and his cc abilities are more instant
Every hero in this game is so easy. Hardest so far has been wraith w about 2-3 games to get decent
Do you have moba background?
True for the most part. BUT we need to remenber that predecessor is a child from paragon so a lot o (new players) come from paragon. If you totally new yeah sure. But if y come from paragon and you play a lot of it . The diference is not to big. Some skills here and there... but sevarog for example is the same guy. If you know how to farm is stacks in paragon in predecessor it will be the same stuff.
Should be based on actually being cracked with them
"I would never feel comfortable with somebody playing an 'expert' tier champion for the first time in my game."
That's a pretty toxic attitude man. If you're a high tier MMR player then you're probably playing with high tier MMR people and should act better towards your teammates that got to the same level as you for a reason.
Get off the high horse and help the person. "Feel comfortable" lol what a joke...
Appreciate the comment cause I think you have a valid opinion. In my defense we had to create criteria to evaluate each champion. No One Likes to Lose because there’s only so many hours in a day and a lot of my community has time to play 1 maybe 2 games every couple of days because they have life outside of this game. How can I help this person enjoy the game and maximize his winning potential while avoiding unnecessary losses. People can’t help but lose on expert champions because it’s out of there control whether it’s team composition issues, mechanics, etc… so instead of dooming hundreds of games with people you don’t know, I want people to be aware of the possible outcome, second let them know it’s not fun for other people mailing in a game due to learning, there are ways to mitigate the problems like the practice tool and AI matches and even taking the champion into 5 stacks with people who don’t mind that can help bridge the gap on certain champs rather than first time grabbing an expert champion with random people and purposefully sabotaging other peoples time. It’s not toxic to think of other people and being aware that you might receive some negative feedback from people along your journey of learning hard to master champions.
Also if I came off as toxic or on a high horse that is far from my world view of this game, I spend hours unpaid with the very little free time after work trying to give back to the community with these videos, my channel had 100subs for the longest time and I was still making bad how to videos to help people. At the end of the day that’s all I’m trying to do, is help as many people as I can. I know I can’t help everyone but I read your comment and I took it to heart, and really wondered about weather my underlining message was miss conveyed or how do I get better so that I don’t miss communicate. I assume positive intent when talking to people and I hope you know I wouldn’t waste my time trying to be toxic or talking down to people , I always try to preach being blessed staying positive and being safe. I hope you have the best day!!!!
I quit bc I've outlaned from start and killed the guy all at lvl one then I died to minions yet the minions died to his turret as well so he lost xp he came back lvl 2 while i was still lvl 1??????????? That's happened 3x now. Also threw a game and said screw it I'm gonna go sparrow to sparrow lvl 7 and only bought one item he was lvl 14 and I wrecked him 1v1 and still had half my health?????? Game is not working correct
What!?!?!? Do you have the replay for the still lvl 1 game and him getting to level 2 first? That be an interesting game to watch back because the game does work so there has to be an explanation. Hit me up on discord!!!
Grim.exe is way better in mid than on carry. His kit naturally counters mages, I routinely bully gideon or morigesh players that give me trouble when playing any other mage.
I deffinetly don’t mind that adaption, the only thing that I would point out is Grims Lack of multiple people damage like a Gideon or gadget ult, or even the lack of team CC like Belica can create some gaps in team chemistry
But all in all I don’t think it’s a bad idea so long as you knowingly choose to over come the team dynamic it creates
@@swypht I don't have a huge AOE ult but the magic build on grim gives ability haste so I'm throwing out displacement orbs alot and the ult is very oppressive at shutting down key players. The last few weeks I've been having some of my best performances in any MOBA ever playing grim in mid. Often ending with over 20 kills and top damage unless our carry works extra hard.
No Morigesh? Very bad list ! She’s scary to play against
Mori is on the easy to play midlane it’s not about being scary but I agree she can be a problem
Yeah she’s on the list and this isn’t a tierlist but rather an evaluation of how many games it take you to master, and provides examples per difficulty.
She?
Not me picking shinbi my first 2 online matches in offlane😂.
1st match went 9/6 against a dual pistol red dude i think its name is revenant.
2nd match i got destroyed 1/11 by an immortal mf, pretty suure it was his ult that threw like a giant yellow glowing sword and his health would shoot all the way back up.
The only moba I played before is LOL and my main champs were darius, akali, riven. If anyone can recommend similar champs in predecessor. Thanks
The immortal was graystone, and the dual pistol guy was twin blast and he shouldn’t have been that lane because he was a carry. To be honest the assassins in this game aren’t quite like LOL, but crunch Kwang feng mao countess and shinbi will be similar enough to where you should find one that’s fun but all range in difficulty and are on the harder side to learn. GL
Now learning kits these teirs make sense but with how nerfed sev is he should be expert😂
Yeah that’s why on our tier list we rank him so low, hoping to build awareness around strength and difficulty of use.
Muriel for life
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How much chat gpt did you use for the script
None actually, all of the videos are created in the same way, it takes hours my friend and the amount of time you would think chat gpt would save you would be used creating the prompts to create the script because computers are the dumbest smart thing in the world, just so you know I start with concepts and outcomes, create outlines for what content should be executed, once you come up with how a piece of the outline is made you kinda just rinse and repeat (character strengths weaknesses, build, matchups, my opinion or experiences, any cerebral projection or outcome that could be passed based off decisions. I’m fairly educated and methodical so this lends to being able to spin my opinions into words. So know I take this comment as a compliment - as a gesture that I take a lot of pride in, although I do feel like you meant it to be a slight jab to undercut a lot of the hard work i put in to help people considering we don’t get paid to make these video. We make these videos to help and I hope you can eventually see that. Thank you for your support
Howi is so ez tho???
Twin mid??
Wow i play shinbi wraith a serapth and they are all hard or expert :0. I did struggle at 1st but now i feel i cant win most 1v1s on wraith i will say as a master shinbi she is wayyy easier to play than mid wraith. Wayyy easier.
Main Wraith mid… my last 2 game 29 kill 4 D and 27 kill 9 D 🥲
I love that you made an expert champion pay off cause the game needs them. But god is the journey a rough one
Rampage is a high skill gap char.
He can be for sure, he’s easy to play hard to master. Tank RMpage is litterally turn on razorback ult and win.
But assassin rampage where you rely on your rock and ability to get in and get out isn’t so easy because you don’t have the health pool. This play style can easily skill gap people.
All depend on the user!!! Great comment!!!
@@swypht tank rampage in a competitive setting is so rock dependent or even in high level lobbies
@@blogtrump9965 so competitive and high elo lobby’s are well beyond the format for a video like this. Most High level players understand all champions as well as there limitations. To compete at a high level you’ve had to master something on your way to that level. The point I’m trying to make is rampage isn’t easily punished because of armor and razorback. You have a healthy clear, you have good team synergy, you won’t die a lot, and the kit it self is straight forward and not hard to understand. 10 hours of chucking rocks should get you good enough to start winning matches. So for new players most of the outcomes should be positive on rampage. Compare that experience to kallari that has a lot of mechanical, skill shot , health disadvantages to over come not to mention team comp synergy issues, as well as non health clear and reliant on kills….one outcome is much easier to pilot than the other.
I don’t think grim is hard or wraith people just need to know what positioning is lmao . And wraiths skillshot isn’t that hard but ok list
Appreciate the comment Nico, I’m happy that you’re finding success with grim and wraith!!!!
Severog on medium is cap
bro 25-50 games before getting good results?🤣 maybe 10
Keyword you’re missing is “consistent” results
We all know revenant belongs on expert lol