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A die's opposite sides always add to seven. If the dots are hollowed, the 6 side will be lighter than the 1 side opposite it, yes? In principle, the dots could be different sizes and depths to balance the sides' weights. Even so, how are the three angular momenta around all three axes balanced when a die spins? If all three angular momenta are different, the spinning die will tumble. If two angular momenta are equal, there will be a preferred axis of spin, yes? Complicated.
used to work in borehole surveying. company was from finland but i am canadian and working in usa. had a finnish field engineer with us who always brought high quality finnish tools on jobs. well on a job one guy accidentally dropped a finnish wrench down the hole. found out later drillers destroyed two high temp drill bits on that damn wrench trying to drill though it. after that i always buy finnish products when i can afford it and they are available. i left that job with a great deal of respect and admiration for finns.
Would need redo the heat treatment since it was ruined by welding. In essence you ether weld whole thing with self hardening rod/wire and grind it back, or keep the original steel. Damage from the tests were such that the actual hard alloy at the end was most likely ruined, but sure its still worth to redo with tool steel wire like i did for couple cheap chinese axe heads that worked as basis for custom axes. Also there are three manufacturing methods for the axes. First is the highcarbon steel forge welded in front and once you grind it away you need to reforge it with new material or it becomes just mild steel axe that dulls easily. Second is making whole axe head from high carbon steel. I believe the Fiskars one was one of those since it cracked so far like that and third is the seemingly Chinese way of making it from mild steel cheaply as possible. Sure its harder than most woods, but wont hold the edge very well.
@@Hellsong89 the old Finnish type axes are always two or three piece - this is the model 12/Kemi model which is three piece. They were always smithed using a hard tool steel wedge (as the blade material) forge welded into the eye-body part of the head made of mild steel, which had been split up to seat the wedge into it; after that, the butt was also forge welded to the head, and the axe head was then forged into final shape, and the edge hardened. This double material construction allowed some flexibility to the head (so it wouldn't detach from hard hits as easily as a monoblock hard tool steel head would, as the mild steel dampens the vibrations of the edge), and made the axe heads withstand the cold winter temperatures without becoming brittle. Generally the tool steel edge part is seated very deep into the head (generally up to two inches, at least in my 12.2 it's 2.1 inches) in these. The later Billnäs/Fiskars models imitating these original Kemi model axes, which for some confusion kept the same number codes for some time, are made of monobloc tool steel, but they can easily be seen as being forged from one piece (old Finns called them "American" because of the monobloc machine forged construction).
When you see the fineness of the grain of the steel in the Finnish axes, versus the metal porridge that the Chinese stuff is made of, it's clear it was never a fair fight!
No,it will not be different. The first rule of the Chinese business culture is to rip off the customer. A chinese axe at a higher price point is the same goddamn axe they're selling for cheaper, they just managed to convince you to pay more for it. There is no such thing as a quality chinese product.
@@kajreinholm4194 Ei oikeestaan mitään syytä hävetä. Maailma puhutuin kieli on Bad English. Suurin osa ihmisistä joilla muu äidinkieli puhuu englantia varsin tunnistettavalla aksentilla. Aika helppo erottaa onko puhujan äidinkieli venäjä, saksa, ranska, hindi, japani, ruotsi jne - ei suomalaiset tässä joukossa sen kummemmi erotu.
Oikein tyypillistä suomalaista ajattelua, miettiä mitä muut ajattelee - joka on ihan turhaa. Ei kukaan intialaisistakaan ajattele että kuuluupa aksentti. Natiivit englanninkieliset puhuu taas esim. Suomea korostuksella, eikä sillekkään kukaan naura.
i was about to joke that the "finnish axe vs chinese anvil" wasn't going to be fair to the anvil, but i honestly didn't expect to be right about that. Holy shit
4:14 if I had any money I would also bet on fiskars. My mother have 2 fiskars scissors and they are 30-35 years old and have never been sharpened and they are still sharp as new!
We have two of those orange fiskars. Both about 15 years old. One has been used regularly and it shows, while the other is purely for clothes/textiles when we sew stuff. Difference is like night and day. Fiskars isn't what they once were.
Didn't have a possibility to mass produce and tools needed to function in harsh conditions with lot of usage and still remain useful & practical. That is what you get with most of Finnish products still, quality over price.
Was a gardener for 10 years and if fiskars (even the newer stuff) made a tool I used, then Fiskars it was. It wasn't just the quality, it was the design as well. I'm super impressed with how that axe performed. It looked like a quick visit to a grinding wheel would put it back in service, lol.
The main difference is that its blade is fully hardened while those others have only the blade edge hardened. There are benefits and drawbacks in both designs. One of the most important benefit of hardening only the edge is that it is much better to use because softer metal in the rest of the blade dampens the impact and doesn't hurt your hands as much. Sure, it breaks faster in this kind of tests, but that is irrelevant because the axes are not designed to withstand this kind of torture. Thus, the quality cannot be determined with these tests.
@@anteshellI have one of these Billnäs axes from the 50's. It has a model number (13?) Despite some rust damage but I forget the exact number. The blade's edge (3/4" from the apex) almost makes a handfile skate and it stains much darker with citric acid than the rest of the axe head. Wonder if it's just the temper on the edge or if the edge is also made from a harder alloy of steel?
Just because an axe appears to "win" here doesn't mean it is a good axe! Toughness is much more important than hardness in an axe, and a tradeoff is always made here. If you pay close attention, you'll notice that the "winning" axe often shows sign of a fracture failure. A softer and tougher axe will allow for a thinner edge geometry, and that is what really allows you to cut a lot of wood. That said, you do specifically want to avoid the axes that are both soft *and* brittle. I saw at least one of those here.
CNC machinist here. Fair point about trade-offs in hardness vs brittleness.. problem is, as many point out, you *never know what you're getting* when you buy from that scoundrel country
The reason why chinese made is not durable is because thats their marketing strategy they make high performace cheap tools and easy to break so the people will buy again and again of their product
Holly Hell.., those close-ups are so great! This channel came a long way to the point that it is in now. Huge improvement in terms of image quality. Also your english is better as well :D
Love your channel! Have you ever used an infrared camera, or thermometer to see how hot the objects get under pressure? Just a suggestion, would add another element to the testing
I don't know if the new Fiskars axes are as good as this old one, but they certainly are proud of their hardening process. They are still Finnish made, in Billnäs, and they can be found in Home Depot I believe.
Billnäs are still good from what i have heard, but pretty expensive but then again premium product that lasts. The Fiskars has dropped the ball hard after moving the production in China, but old Fiskars are really good. For where to get, i have bunch of them saved and being restored on different levels and styles, gathered from scrap metal bins cause people dont know anymore how to fix things, so metal bins for free and there are few only stores like Tori. fi where you most likely can find one, but making the deal and getting private individual to send it might be the issue part. If there is international demand for it, i'm sure Varusteleka could get some old axes on stock.
@@Hellsong89 Fiskars axes are still made in Billnäs Finland. I checked. But, is the (expensive) hardening process what it used to be, that I don't know.
the reason "crappy" chinese products exist is because no other country can match how much the chinese are offering to the people that cannot afford stuff
So what’s your excuse for their tofu dreg high rise buildings? Do we keep buying those too? Maybe it’s because China is simply decades behind other countries when it comes to manufacturing.
With the machined dice, did you make sure h the centroids of the mass ensure fair rolls? I bought a set of aluminum dice about a decade ago and the maker had done a lot of careful work to make sure the pip holes were milled carefully to ensure a correct centroid.
@@jaky3I just hope the video showing the six face being milled is from an early production finish test or something, because there is little to no chance of a fair die if the production six face has deep, conical pips as shown.
@@michaelvandijk6852 Intentionally imbalanced dice would be something you could do if you wanted to, but almost no game is designed around that. I mean, as long as it's part of the plan, then sure! But it would be a good thing to note clearly in the product's marketing/information.
It's really a question of hardness vs. durability. The Finnish axe is a hard high-carbon steel, and the Chinese one is likely a milder steel. So the Finnish axe is more likely to crack if it hits a stone, and is more rust-proof. But it'll hold the edge better. The Chinese one is more durable and is less likely to chip, but it'll get dull faster.
@@AlexBesogonov Traditional axe heads are made by forge welding two different types of steel, laminated edge steel, a hardened carbon steel for the edge and milder steel for the body of the head. The edge is hard and the body durable. The modern Chinese axe is poorly made from cheap materials.
Wrong - if you look closely the chinese axe was cutting through the finnish axe and only broke when it got twisted. The angle it was filmed at gave the wrong impression.
You guys fogot price? Chinese is the world factory, they produce everything and every size and even evey price. At same price, the best must be Chinese product.
It was one of the best things that I have ever done :D Just as experience not even as video. The moment when we were blasting with flame thrower and water was awesome :D
Looking forward to the Kickstarter! When you say you're expanding the dice collection, does that mean other types of dice as well like D4, D8, D10, D12 and D20?
Cool to know which one is stronger. But realistically, both are probably fine for the average person who chops wood occassionally. Obviously it’s different if you’re running a wood stove, homesteading, camping all the time, off the grid, or a lumberjack.
No. That Chinese crap is not fine for anyone. It's an insult. Do. Not. Buy. It. Don't support garbage with your money. Buy products that were made by people who take pride of their work.
Chinesium is such an amazing material!!!!!!! I can’t believe it’s incredible ability to fail. In every way every single time I mean, the stuff is basically dog crap sold as metal!!!!!
@@jordach545 which axe you talking about? In the Finbullet clip, the old Finnish axe cut through Finbullet (= Chinese) like hot knife through butter. Then the old Finnish axe destroyed the Chinese anvil like nothing.
6 months and they only made 2000? And then to release them after Christmas? Whoever is making them is screwing you over in return for your advertising and prestige
@@1pcfred I'm in the UK I got one :) Finding one wasn't too hard, finding one I could afford took quite a while. Your right it it's better than nothing but the bigger, the heavier and the nicer the hammer bounce back the easier it is to work on, these tiny cast iron ones are 'dead' very little bounce back so much harder work as you have to lift the hammer every time not have it bounce back halfway (maybe not exact but how it feels when working)
@@merlynsfire1275 I don't do any smithing but I do have a Peter Wright style London pattern anvil. I use it occasionally to cold work some items. It's a nice piece to have in the shop. It has quite a ring to it and is harder than a coffin nail.
@1pcfred nice, lucky man and still using it if only occasionally is great to hear tools are made to be used It's so useful to have something you can belt something else on without it moving or breaking lol Worth a few quid a well so look after it... Which isn't hard just try not to let the working faces rust badly
@@merlynsfire1275 yeah I keep it indoors and sprayed with WD-40. I decked it on my milling machine with a carbide fly cutter. So the the top is nice and flat. It was dinged up when I got it. I didn't like that. The corners still aren't square but I didn't want to go through whatever hard face it has on it. I just skimmed it clean. So it's like a mirror now. Super smooth.
Make marvel weaponry like thors hammer made out off very high grade material vs cpt America's shield also made out of extremely high quality materials and press them against each other along with other weaponry from the franchise. That would be fun.
There's a lot of factors that go into the quality of metals. Right down to the quality of the base ore. Then there's all of the alloying ingredients. The heat treatment. The forging too. As Thulsa Doom called it, the riddle of steel.
@@1pcfred Thulsa Doom's Riddle of Steel had very little to do with steel - but the will of the person wielding the steel - what matters is strong will.
@@pupper5580 that's what Thusa determined after a while. Early on he was into the metallurgy. So he became corrupted with time. When Conan first met Thulsa he was looking for the swords. Later on he lived that disposable lifestyle.
@@1pcfred Good information, thank you! So you think Thulsa's doom (pun not intended) came from being corrupted, and straying away from steel (that he wielded with his own bare hands), and relying too much on the power of dominating others, instead of relying on his own strength and the steel that he wielded with his own hands. When Thulsa failed at mind controlling Conan - Conan's will was too strong - Conan defeated Thulsa with his steel. So in a sense, Thulsa created the Riddle of Steel, but Conan had the correct answer for it - while Thulsa's idea of the answer was incorrect. Or another interpretation, perhaps a better one: the key part of the battle between Conan and Thulsa was a battle of wills - not a battle of steel. Conan was able to resist Thulsa's will, and defeat him. While in the past, Thulsa was able to defeat Conan's mother with his will: in a sense, Thulsa hypnotized Conan's mother into lowering her guard, after which Thulsa struck. But it is an interesting topic, I do not have a good answer, merely musings.
@@pupper5580 I think Thulsa was always a bad seed that just got worse as time went on. But his original quest had some merit. I can relate to the allure of the riddle of steel. I'm just not so keen on razing villages to find out. There was a time in human history where the nature of steel wasn't well known. We really didn't collectively get out act together when it came to metallurgy until a fairly late date. There were a number of bridge collapses and disasters that spurred standards. They happened in the mid and late 1800s. Then the space age really kicked things into high gear. When whole national identities became tied to metallurgy in a very public way. Rockets blowing up on launch pads are not a good look.
I am slightly curious if Chineseium could be improved; heated and hammered, heated again then dropped in ice water or a sub-zero coolant And or case hardened. My curiosity is whether it is Chineseium composition or workmanship?
Upon seeing the thumbnail, my first thought was, "A fine example of Finnish craftsmanship versus a mass-produced tool made by the lowest-bidder... I think I can predict how this turns out."
Onko tuo suomalainen kirves tehty kokonaan Suomessa? Vai onko raaka teräs tuotu jostain muualta ? Is that Finnish ax made completely in Finland? Or is the raw steel imported from somewhere else ? Cracking the Chinese anvil was no surprise. As they’re made from recycled garbage cast iron in someone’s backyard business.
Of course they are made in Finland, from Finnish sources. We have for example Europe's largest stainless steel production plant in Tornio and that company, "Outokumpu" also uses 100% Finnish mined material.
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You should try it with 2 heads...........see who has the hardest crainuim
A die's opposite sides always add to seven. If the dots are hollowed, the 6 side will be lighter than the 1 side opposite it, yes? In principle, the dots could be different sizes and depths to balance the sides' weights. Even so, how are the three angular momenta around all three axes balanced when a die spins? If all three angular momenta are different, the spinning die will tumble. If two angular momenta are equal, there will be a preferred axis of spin, yes? Complicated.
I have a question what did you lose the temper on the axis when you weld them because they are tooled steel
Looks like the axe vs axe at 5:00 had only slow-mo version? Would have been fun to see real time speed version also.
Olis meillä ihan Pirkanmaallakin ollut koneistus osaamista tuommosten noppien tekemiseen ja suunnitteluun. Miksi ne Kanadassa pitää teettää?
used to work in borehole surveying. company was from finland but i am canadian and working in usa. had a finnish field engineer with us who always brought high quality finnish tools on jobs. well on a job one guy accidentally dropped a finnish wrench down the hole. found out later drillers destroyed two high temp drill bits on that damn wrench trying to drill though it. after that i always buy finnish products when i can afford it and they are available. i left that job with a great deal of respect and admiration for finns.
Thats very nice to hear cheer from finland!🇫🇮
The wrenches were made from Nokium
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northern iron is the best
My heart bled for that little old axe. It was such a beautiful one...
Yeah Billnäs axes are. Very well thought out old Finnish designs.
There is no way it would've lost to one made from temunium.
We have plenty of those here in Finland - buy a ticket and get one.
@@markkuhexen-sonderauftrag7760 I'll pick one up on my next trip there, or have some of my friends send one over...
Regrind that Fiskars. It deserves a second life after that performance.
Would need redo the heat treatment since it was ruined by welding. In essence you ether weld whole thing with self hardening rod/wire and grind it back, or keep the original steel. Damage from the tests were such that the actual hard alloy at the end was most likely ruined, but sure its still worth to redo with tool steel wire like i did for couple cheap chinese axe heads that worked as basis for custom axes.
Also there are three manufacturing methods for the axes. First is the highcarbon steel forge welded in front and once you grind it away you need to reforge it with new material or it becomes just mild steel axe that dulls easily. Second is making whole axe head from high carbon steel. I believe the Fiskars one was one of those since it cracked so far like that and third is the seemingly Chinese way of making it from mild steel cheaply as possible. Sure its harder than most woods, but wont hold the edge very well.
@@Hellsong89 the old Finnish type axes are always two or three piece - this is the model 12/Kemi model which is three piece. They were always smithed using a hard tool steel wedge (as the blade material) forge welded into the eye-body part of the head made of mild steel, which had been split up to seat the wedge into it; after that, the butt was also forge welded to the head, and the axe head was then forged into final shape, and the edge hardened. This double material construction allowed some flexibility to the head (so it wouldn't detach from hard hits as easily as a monoblock hard tool steel head would, as the mild steel dampens the vibrations of the edge), and made the axe heads withstand the cold winter temperatures without becoming brittle.
Generally the tool steel edge part is seated very deep into the head (generally up to two inches, at least in my 12.2 it's 2.1 inches) in these.
The later Billnäs/Fiskars models imitating these original Kemi model axes, which for some confusion kept the same number codes for some time, are made of monobloc tool steel, but they can easily be seen as being forged from one piece (old Finns called them "American" because of the monobloc machine forged construction).
When you see the fineness of the grain of the steel in the Finnish axes, versus the metal porridge that the Chinese stuff is made of, it's clear it was never a fair fight!
use a Chinese axe at the same price point things might be different ..
It’s impossible. Chinesium will always fail. It is literally engineered to be crap!
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Find one for me, if you can.
No,it will not be different. The first rule of the Chinese business culture is to rip off the customer.
A chinese axe at a higher price point is the same goddamn axe they're selling for cheaper, they just managed to convince you to pay more for it.
There is no such thing as a quality chinese product.
These are the most Finnish sounding and looking couple I've ever seen
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voi jessus mitä englantia, oikein hävettää
@@kajreinholm4194 Ei oikeestaan mitään syytä hävetä. Maailma puhutuin kieli on Bad English. Suurin osa ihmisistä joilla muu äidinkieli puhuu englantia varsin tunnistettavalla aksentilla. Aika helppo erottaa onko puhujan äidinkieli venäjä, saksa, ranska, hindi, japani, ruotsi jne - ei suomalaiset tässä joukossa sen kummemmi erotu.
Miksi hävetä sitä mitä on?
Oikein tyypillistä suomalaista ajattelua, miettiä mitä muut ajattelee - joka on ihan turhaa. Ei kukaan intialaisistakaan ajattele että kuuluupa aksentti. Natiivit englanninkieliset puhuu taas esim. Suomea korostuksella, eikä sillekkään kukaan naura.
i was about to joke that the "finnish axe vs chinese anvil" wasn't going to be fair to the anvil, but i honestly didn't expect to be right about that. Holy shit
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@@ITubeTooInc it's kinda cool to think that you haven't changed your profile picture for 17 years
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4:14 if I had any money I would also bet on fiskars. My mother have 2 fiskars scissors and they are 30-35 years old and have never been sharpened and they are still sharp as new!
We have two of those orange fiskars. Both about 15 years old. One has been used regularly and it shows, while the other is purely for clothes/textiles when we sew stuff. Difference is like night and day. Fiskars isn't what they once were.
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Hello from Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada! We have a large Finnish community here due to the Forestry sector. Looks like your having fun! Kippis!
I own two finnish knives that costed me 800$. You fellas are pretty good at forging.
And we are NATO now...😂
Didn't have a possibility to mass produce and tools needed to function in harsh conditions with lot of usage and still remain useful & practical.
That is what you get with most of Finnish products still, quality over price.
Good luck with that nato thing of yours after USA pulls out@@Pirunpelto
@@babar292 Doesn't matter, Finland has been developing it's army long time since Winter War for a good reason.
@@babar292 would not even matter as Finland has defence pact with USA in addition so, Nato or no, US has agreed to back up Finland.
Looks like a knife cutting through butter, then you realise how tough an axe actually is. Amazing video and stunning close ups.
This is a great comparison, if you require a hydraulic press to cut through butter 😂
Was a gardener for 10 years and if fiskars (even the newer stuff) made a tool I used, then Fiskars it was. It wasn't just the quality, it was the design as well. I'm super impressed with how that axe performed. It looked like a quick visit to a grinding wheel would put it back in service, lol.
Thanks!
It's completely amazing, in a way, that a "proper" axe has steel that cuts through steel, and just keeps cutting!
This axe will cut a LOT of wood!
The main difference is that its blade is fully hardened while those others have only the blade edge hardened. There are benefits and drawbacks in both designs. One of the most important benefit of hardening only the edge is that it is much better to use because softer metal in the rest of the blade dampens the impact and doesn't hurt your hands as much.
Sure, it breaks faster in this kind of tests, but that is irrelevant because the axes are not designed to withstand this kind of torture. Thus, the quality cannot be determined with these tests.
@@anteshellI have one of these Billnäs axes from the 50's. It has a model number (13?) Despite some rust damage but I forget the exact number. The blade's edge (3/4" from the apex) almost makes a handfile skate and it stains much darker with citric acid than the rest of the axe head. Wonder if it's just the temper on the edge or if the edge is also made from a harder alloy of steel?
Just because an axe appears to "win" here doesn't mean it is a good axe! Toughness is much more important than hardness in an axe, and a tradeoff is always made here. If you pay close attention, you'll notice that the "winning" axe often shows sign of a fracture failure. A softer and tougher axe will allow for a thinner edge geometry, and that is what really allows you to cut a lot of wood. That said, you do specifically want to avoid the axes that are both soft *and* brittle. I saw at least one of those here.
CNC machinist here. Fair point about trade-offs in hardness vs brittleness.. problem is, as many point out, you *never know what you're getting* when you buy from that scoundrel country
@@Metapharsical When you purchase from *that country* you always assume you are getting garbage. Then you can be pleasantly surprised when it isn't.
I bet a Chinese axe from 1960 would beat a Chinese axe from 2024
The reason why chinese made is not durable is because thats their marketing strategy they make high performace cheap tools and easy to break so the people will buy again and again of their product
I wouldn't count on it, the 60's were not good decades in China. They also melted down most of their tools for reasons...
Bad tools from the 60s have already ended up in the trash. It's survivor's bias.
Yeah, pre-mao era axes fr8m china may be good, but not anything post mao era
Lol no
the "okei ai think ai fuked up" was adorable lmao
tämä oli ensimmäinen video mitä näin teidän kanavalta! Ihan mahtava video!
Holly Hell.., those close-ups are so great!
This channel came a long way to the point that it is in now.
Huge improvement in terms of image quality.
Also your english is better as well :D
Love your channel! Have you ever used an infrared camera, or thermometer to see how hot the objects get under pressure? Just a suggestion, would add another element to the testing
I don't know if you were trying to make a Finnish axe commercial but you did. Where do I buy?
I don't know if the new Fiskars axes are as good as this old one, but they certainly are proud of their hardening process. They are still Finnish made, in Billnäs, and they can be found in Home Depot I believe.
Perhaps Finland
Billnäs are still good from what i have heard, but pretty expensive but then again premium product that lasts. The Fiskars has dropped the ball hard after moving the production in China, but old Fiskars are really good. For where to get, i have bunch of them saved and being restored on different levels and styles, gathered from scrap metal bins cause people dont know anymore how to fix things, so metal bins for free and there are few only stores like Tori. fi where you most likely can find one, but making the deal and getting private individual to send it might be the issue part. If there is international demand for it, i'm sure Varusteleka could get some old axes on stock.
@@Hellsong89 Fiskars axes are still made in Billnäs Finland. I checked. But, is the (expensive) hardening process what it used to be, that I don't know.
The new ones are made from the same cheese as those Chinese ones. So for a old and good Fiskars You should check some flea markets
Fun fact: the reason crappy Chinese products exist is because you guys keep buying them.
Fun fact : you funfact on a made in china smartphone hreat job thats the definition of hypocrit 🤣🤣🤣
@@FirstnameLastname-db5ppOur genius would have avoided this if he used "we" instead. But no, he is better than the rest of us.
the reason "crappy" chinese products exist is because no other country can match how much the chinese are offering to the people that cannot afford stuff
So what’s your excuse for their tofu dreg high rise buildings? Do we keep buying those too?
Maybe it’s because China is simply decades behind other countries when it comes to manufacturing.
@Whom1337 What about the skyscrapers that...don't fall? Just like 99% of the buildings in China?
You can tell the fiskars axe was pretty hard. It will definitely hold a better edge.
0:15 never thought of seeing Erling Haaland in this video 😅
At 6:00, you can see that the Finnish didn't break before it got to the welded material. So the hardened welds actually broke it and not the chinesium
With the machined dice, did you make sure h the centroids of the mass ensure fair rolls? I bought a set of aluminum dice about a decade ago and the maker had done a lot of careful work to make sure the pip holes were milled carefully to ensure a correct centroid.
This! Thinking about buying like 25 dice for "liars dice" but I need to know that they are balanced.
I'm sure the professionals thought about that at some point during the process.
@@jaky3I just hope the video showing the six face being milled is from an early production finish test or something, because there is little to no chance of a fair die if the production six face has deep, conical pips as shown.
I thought dice were not supposed to be 'fair'. If the six has the least mass, it will show least often - equating to its higher value.
@@michaelvandijk6852 Intentionally imbalanced dice would be something you could do if you wanted to, but almost no game is designed around that. I mean, as long as it's part of the plan, then sure! But it would be a good thing to note clearly in the product's marketing/information.
Watching the old Finnish steel cut though the new Chinese monkey metal was satisfying AF
like hot knife through butter.
It's really a question of hardness vs. durability. The Finnish axe is a hard high-carbon steel, and the Chinese one is likely a milder steel. So the Finnish axe is more likely to crack if it hits a stone, and is more rust-proof. But it'll hold the edge better. The Chinese one is more durable and is less likely to chip, but it'll get dull faster.
@@AlexBesogonov Traditional axe heads are made by forge welding two different types of steel, laminated edge steel, a hardened carbon steel for the edge and milder steel for the body of the head. The edge is hard and the body durable. The modern Chinese axe is poorly made from cheap materials.
Wrong - if you look closely the chinese axe was cutting through the finnish axe and only broke when it got twisted. The angle it was filmed at gave the wrong impression.
Chinese monkey metal is a crazy word
9.99M omg! Congrats Lauri, I've enjoyed watching you walk this long road.
You've proved you can split an ASO (Anvil Shaped Object) but I would love to see you test some actual anvils...
I have an old finnish axe and I would never swop it for ANYTHING "modern".
Fiskars has been making tools since 1649. All my Fiskars stuff is decades old.
Would be nice to see old Fiskars vs. New Fiskars. To see which way the steel and manufacturing quality went over the decades.
Conclusion: the Chinese don't exactly care about quality.
I have heard the Chinese build concrete buildings of tofu. I didn't know they make steel anvils of tofu, too.
You guys fogot price? Chinese is the world factory, they produce everything and every size and even evey price. At same price, the best must be Chinese product.
Just triple the price what you are ready to pay, and they will make a really good one.
Chinese people do, you guys don’t. Anything that isn’t exported is high quality.
When making something your 3 options are speed, quality and cost and you can pick 2 of them at maximum.
00:30 thumbnail faces crack me up, thanks for keeping them in
Hey Laurie, I bet you could make some cool Smugglers Dice like the ones in Star Wars. Another awesome vid as usual!!😎👍
HPC always on the cutting edge of YT pressing videos, 👍 Prrritti Guud.
I see what you did there.
2 axes, 1 press
The firetruck video was awesome!!!
It was HOT.
It was one of the best things that I have ever done :D Just as experience not even as video. The moment when we were blasting with flame thrower and water was awesome :D
The slow-mo with this battle was outstanding!
You can build up that missing area of the axe with hardface welding, grind it down, and it will be as good as new. You should do that for the viewers.
I love the Tyrkisk Peber shirts! One of my favorite candies ever!
Looking forward to the Kickstarter!
When you say you're expanding the dice collection,
does that mean other types of dice as well like D4, D8, D10, D12 and D20?
Yes we have plans also for Dn versions and more materials
D5,000,000
@@HydraulicPressChannel Awesome!
Finnish axes are made with steel made in charcoal owens and new ones are arch ovens which make very weak steel.
10 M subs soon. Thats impressive.
Looking forward to seeing the KS come online.
We love you man thank you for providing us so much great content, you two are the greatest ❤
For those people who don't know Wolfram = Tungsten
The axe under the anvil spalled a flake exactly like flint or obsidian.
Se saa miehen itkemään kun näkee niin kauniiden Suomalaisten kirveksien sekä niiden terien kuolevan!
Incredible to believe that we will soon see the HPC 10million!
That was fantastic now test American steel versus swedish steel circle the same time frame before the 70s
would be fun to see a set of hardened axes going at it
I don't have any expectations for Chinese products.
racist sinophobe
suomi voittaa!
9:00 grain of that steel is Perfect.
Congratulations on getting 10k subscribers! 🍰🍷🍾🥂🍭🥳🎂🍸
Wow that was like a hot knife through butter
Glowing hot axe vs Nitrogen cooled axe 👀
I love these guys.
Omg your so close to 10M subscribers!
Cool to know which one is stronger. But realistically, both are probably fine for the average person who chops wood occassionally. Obviously it’s different if you’re running a wood stove, homesteading, camping all the time, off the grid, or a lumberjack.
No. That Chinese crap is not fine for anyone. It's an insult. Do. Not. Buy. It. Don't support garbage with your money. Buy products that were made by people who take pride of their work.
Chinesium is such an amazing material!!!!!!!
I can’t believe it’s incredible ability to fail. In every way every single time I mean, the stuff is basically dog crap sold as metal!!!!!
2:33 looks like a small face on the side of the bottom Ax sharp part facin up? Then it gets removed.
This video answers the most important questions in life.
1:30, okay i think i fucked up🤣
Old Finnish axe cuts new Chinesium axe like butter
i saw the opposite happen in this video. The Chinese one cut right through.
@@jordach545ppl don't watch the videos they comment on
Yup, specially the second pair. This finbullet was no match for old fiskars.
@@jordach545 which axe you talking about? In the Finbullet clip, the old Finnish axe cut through Finbullet (= Chinese) like hot knife through butter. Then the old Finnish axe destroyed the Chinese anvil like nothing.
@pupper5580 the first one. The Chinese one cut through the old Finnish one.
Which would win in Finnish axe vs Finnish anvil?
Hard to say since nothing is made in Finland anymore!
There are a few ax makers in Sweden still, would be cool to see how they hold up to cheap axes.
Just as good as these old bilnäs axes, i have few hultafors, defo good, new and old, also have bilnäs and kellokoski
Tuliko yllätyksenä, että kiinalainen valurauta ei pärjää teräkselle?
this axe need to be named: Chad of axes
Very close to 10 million!
2 hours maybe!
@@HydraulicPressChannel No Niin. SISU!!!
This and Beyond The Press are two channels that have never disappointed me!
I'm so stoked every time there's something new from either one!❤❤
@@ericcox6764 Tell a friend or a couple hundred, and family and neighbors. Just a couple hundred away from 10 Million. It could happen today. 👍
6 months and they only made 2000? And then to release them after Christmas? Whoever is making them is screwing you over in return for your advertising and prestige
Not a "real" anvil; just more of an anvil-shaped-object. 🤣
I'm sure it beats having nothing at all. Real anvils can be somewhat hard to come by.
@@1pcfred I'm in the UK I got one :)
Finding one wasn't too hard, finding one I could afford took quite a while.
Your right it it's better than nothing but the bigger, the heavier and the nicer the hammer bounce back the easier it is to work on, these tiny cast iron ones are 'dead' very little bounce back so much harder work as you have to lift the hammer every time not have it bounce back halfway (maybe not exact but how it feels when working)
@@merlynsfire1275 I don't do any smithing but I do have a Peter Wright style London pattern anvil. I use it occasionally to cold work some items. It's a nice piece to have in the shop. It has quite a ring to it and is harder than a coffin nail.
@1pcfred nice, lucky man and still using it if only occasionally is great to hear tools are made to be used
It's so useful to have something you can belt something else on without it moving or breaking lol
Worth a few quid a well so look after it... Which isn't hard just try not to let the working faces rust badly
@@merlynsfire1275 yeah I keep it indoors and sprayed with WD-40. I decked it on my milling machine with a carbide fly cutter. So the the top is nice and flat. It was dinged up when I got it. I didn't like that. The corners still aren't square but I didn't want to go through whatever hard face it has on it. I just skimmed it clean. So it's like a mirror now. Super smooth.
The problem with welding is that the heat changes the properties of the metals.
Hanna: "Hmmjap ☺" (0:34)
😇😂
“This time without beer”
Maybe you should test YOUR WELDS in the press ? 😂😂
(Yes, your welds are better than mine ❤❤)
Make marvel weaponry like thors hammer made out off very high grade material vs cpt America's shield also made out of extremely high quality materials and press them against each other along with other weaponry from the franchise. That would be fun.
How are you going to balance the dice?
is the failure mode of the cheaper axe and anvil indicative of forged vs cast tools?
There's a lot of factors that go into the quality of metals. Right down to the quality of the base ore. Then there's all of the alloying ingredients. The heat treatment. The forging too. As Thulsa Doom called it, the riddle of steel.
@@1pcfred Thulsa Doom's Riddle of Steel had very little to do with steel - but the will of the person wielding the steel - what matters is strong will.
@@pupper5580 that's what Thusa determined after a while. Early on he was into the metallurgy. So he became corrupted with time. When Conan first met Thulsa he was looking for the swords. Later on he lived that disposable lifestyle.
@@1pcfred Good information, thank you!
So you think Thulsa's doom (pun not intended) came from being corrupted, and straying away from steel (that he wielded with his own bare hands), and relying too much on the power of dominating others, instead of relying on his own strength and the steel that he wielded with his own hands. When Thulsa failed at mind controlling Conan - Conan's will was too strong - Conan defeated Thulsa with his steel.
So in a sense, Thulsa created the Riddle of Steel, but Conan had the correct answer for it - while Thulsa's idea of the answer was incorrect.
Or another interpretation, perhaps a better one: the key part of the battle between Conan and Thulsa was a battle of wills - not a battle of steel. Conan was able to resist Thulsa's will, and defeat him. While in the past, Thulsa was able to defeat Conan's mother with his will: in a sense, Thulsa hypnotized Conan's mother into lowering her guard, after which Thulsa struck.
But it is an interesting topic, I do not have a good answer, merely musings.
@@pupper5580 I think Thulsa was always a bad seed that just got worse as time went on. But his original quest had some merit. I can relate to the allure of the riddle of steel. I'm just not so keen on razing villages to find out. There was a time in human history where the nature of steel wasn't well known. We really didn't collectively get out act together when it came to metallurgy until a fairly late date. There were a number of bridge collapses and disasters that spurred standards. They happened in the mid and late 1800s. Then the space age really kicked things into high gear. When whole national identities became tied to metallurgy in a very public way. Rockets blowing up on launch pads are not a good look.
I love my Fisker axel and maul. They are my goto
Bit nerdy but I really enjoyed seeing the Finish patten axes. Really interesting shape, quiet different to UK or USA heads that I'm used to.
The inboard design increases force with no extra weight.
А потом вернуть топоры в магаз чета не рубят 😂😂😂
😂the label on the anvil was stronger than the anvil itself!
That harbor freight anvil never stood a chance.
Do you use the hydraulic press actually also for real work? Or only for TH-cam fun?
I don’t know why but when the axe cut the chinesium I really lolled
And I had a sad day today. Thank you!
this guy is the Forrest Gump of the hidraulic press!
That's not a fair fight, but I don't care. Lets do it.
-Finnish proverb (2024)
Tuo Billnäs/kellokoski on sellainen johon on saatettu vaihtaa teräpala aikojen saatossa. Eli se ei ole välttämättä tehtaan jäljiltä.
Makes me wonder if 2 humans have ever collided their axe heads diagonally like that in combat
Millions of people have used axes in wars so it has happened plenty of times.
Yes.
do you make D&D dice ( 20 sided ) ?
We axed you nicely, now you're Finnish'd.
The firetruck from Fahrenheit 451 !
what man? so awesome, you spent so much time welding and destroying metal, love it, thanks, new subscriber just today. ;-)
I am slightly curious if Chineseium could be improved; heated and hammered, heated again then dropped in ice water or a sub-zero coolant
And or case hardened.
My curiosity is whether it is Chineseium composition or workmanship?
Good difference between forged vs cast metals
next finnish phones vs chinese laptops
Upon seeing the thumbnail, my first thought was, "A fine example of Finnish craftsmanship versus a mass-produced tool made by the lowest-bidder... I think I can predict how this turns out."
Is that "anvil" made from cast iron??
The welds can affect the tempering, but interesting anyway
Onko tuo suomalainen kirves tehty kokonaan Suomessa? Vai onko raaka teräs tuotu jostain muualta ?
Is that Finnish ax made completely in Finland? Or is the raw steel imported from somewhere else ?
Cracking the Chinese anvil was no surprise. As they’re made from recycled garbage cast iron in someone’s backyard business.
Of course they are made in Finland, from Finnish sources. We have for example Europe's largest stainless steel production plant in Tornio and that company, "Outokumpu" also uses 100% Finnish mined material.
@ - I should have known that. I forgot my uncle and cousin worked Outokumpu mines.
If I ever need an anvil splitting axe it will be Fiskars