At 28:55 you say you don't need to tie off the soft release. We actually had one in the park where the knot came undone by all the whips the webbing saw from coming off the line. When it was undone, the soft release slowly came loose, until it came loose fast enough to melt away the loop. The weblock flew 10m past our heads. Since then, we ALWAYS tie a fig8 or something and clip it off with a biner.
Hi, thanks for your helpful content I'm really curious rn about triple wrapped 3mill shackles because I hate walking over connections and this seems to be the game changer I'm looking for :) small knots meen great fun
Great video, this is the kind of content I subscribed for. Excited for the break test of the double wrapped 4mm soft shackle and possibly triple wrapped 3mm. The 'double-u' system of connecting the backups seems a bit bulky, is there anyway you could use 4mm for this too?
Ah no way! I did a tour on my bike out there last year and it was great! There's a "road" heading north out of that campsite you were at which had a named section on the historical map I was navigating with and it was terrifyingly steep. I have no idea *why* it was named, nor could I find any other reference to it, but wowza!
So was wondering if you had ever heard of/used Gaffer tape? It leaves no residue and is fabric based (and similar strength to duct tape). Might be nice for your applications!
I mean, I know that gaffer tape is supposed to leave no residue, but that’s when you use it for gaffering. There’s enough load on these applications that I would expect the glue on gaffer tape to leave residue. It doesn’t do great with heat.
11:40 you say: if this fails in an inov, you're dead. But if both backups are connected with the longer loop, you only get a rough fall, but you are not dead.
Have you tried “Back wrapping” your electrical tape, sticky side up, on the first layer then glue side down? Never tried it on a highline but it works great on wire and wire rope.
hey Ryan, did you force 10kn pressure on the freshly made 4mm soft shackles so that the button knots settle before you connected the segments or you just force pulled them as mush as you could and you trusted that the noose of the softshackles would not slip? thank you for all your time you have invested in sharing all these info and stoke with everyone
You know what would be a really cool test? Ice screws and v threading, because ice seems terrifying from an outside perspective. That and we are heading into winter in the northern hemisphere, so it would fit.
Won't smaller diameter soft shackles kink a lot more the webbing loops ? Going with 4mm (or even 3mm as you mentioned in the summary) isn't risky for the sewn loop strength ? Please break test this !
What would be the absolute lightest 20m parkline set up? Could you hand tension or do you need two wire gate biners? Can you get away without a linelock? What to use for slings? Can you use soft shackles anywhere? What's the absolute lightest webbing available?
Some parts of your question you have to find out yourself (like what's the lightest webbing), but my super light setup is this: One dyneema sling, long enough to fit around a tree. Two Carabiners 20m Equilibrium slim webbing I tie one end of the line around a tree and do a primitive on the other side. That way I can tension with a 4:1 and don't need a softrelease or linelock or anything. I think it is less than 1kg. With small biners and dyneema webbing you could probably get down to 600g. Instead of any tensioning you could also put the anchors up high and handtension without biners, that would save you like 100g
@@niknik0815 thanks, can you tell me more about the dyneema sling? Where do you get it from? And how do you skip the linelock? I've gone for moonwalk (34g/m) over equilibrium slim (26g/m) because I don't really walk rodeo and want to walk longer than 20m but might look into getting some for a super UL 15m line.
Is there any reason not to use a belay device instead of the munter when controlling the soft release? It would mean that in the brake position you'd be pulling towards yourself and away from the edge which seems like it would be easier to control, and then the backup would engage the brake as well if needed.
Hey! my question is will the smaller dynema diameters diminish the longevity of the rig or be more vulnerable to longer term wear and tear than the thicker stuff.
The concern is the thinner material could cut the webbing under tension. Padded loops and double wrapped proved to be fine in our initial tests here at the lab.
Just kind of wondering why quicklinks or heavy duty carabiners aren't used between sewn loop ends? I mean to make the webbing one piece not to connect the backup to the mainline, like why did you say not to do that? Is it dangerous? Just wondering.
I Imagine because they'd be dangerous to step on and it would add to much weight to the line, they'd have to be steel. But maybe there's more than one reason.
Is it just me or does this guy go overkill on every line he rigs? I would literally have like 1 web and some carabiner and a friction knot and maybe a backup
Gooooood luck with that. It will be totally fine...unless one time for some low-probability reason, it isn't! Then I guess you die. I will never understand the "overkill" idea. We should never criticize people for adding safety.
16:38 that twist shackle is orientated wrong. The pin should be on the rope and the bow should be on the blue spanset. Also that polypropylene rope is splice able like dyneema and would probably hold around 5 kn (maybe some break tests would be helpful)
@@turkeyphant the shackle is more of an aesthetics thing so orientation doesn't really matter but there was an opportunity to make it look nicer so there's that. the poly rope is hollow, (like amsteel) so that means it can be spliced. splices hold around 90-95% of a ropes strength so it would be a lot stronger than a overhand knot like what was in the video
I've been watching your hi lining videos for a couple years considering getting into it eventually. It's doesn't seem too complicated but super complicated enough.
0:37 because it sounds like you're saying "Butt-Ten" lol tbh you're just saying it Clear where-as we are used to hearing words/syllables blending together!
god I feel old... the best tape ever is knee tape, the brown stuff with the ridiculous stick. I don't even know what they call it now, last bought it in 1994 or '92 so old idgaf
California Millenials and Zs seem to have been taught to say "butt - on" but i was taught "but - ton" or as dictionary online says 'betn. Same for the other ...ton words.
f@t b@st@d says = it was a long time ago i met a girl on a australian island called christmas island near cocas keeling islands and she reminds me a lot of the kids [young adults in the footage ] her name was cecinta [secinta ?? not sure of spelling] american indian from memory i have tried to get intouch with one of her friends to show her this video [ things move slowly in the country towns at times ] this was close to 20-30 years ago = it's ok if you deleat this comment as i have connected quite a few people through gut feeling knowing and second sight = not a exact science though felt i should comment and if anyone asks for money it's a scam good gesture is free or maybe i am just meant to write this for a stepping stone or path to be taken = all the best and be safe ps i have invited people to northam [perth western australia ] for upcoming events = not sure if this area is relevant to you being a wheatbelt country town ?? as i live a few towns away ??
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I really like the rigging videos. I will likely never get a chance to highline, but at least I can enjoy knowing how they get rigged.
why would you not highline? where are you?
At 28:55 you say you don't need to tie off the soft release.
We actually had one in the park where the knot came undone by all the whips the webbing saw from coming off the line. When it was undone, the soft release slowly came loose, until it came loose fast enough to melt away the loop. The weblock flew 10m past our heads. Since then, we ALWAYS tie a fig8 or something and clip it off with a biner.
Thank you for all the amazing effort you put in the videos! I love watching and learning with this rigging videos, Cheers!
I just got back from Climb Smart in Jtree, and ALL the guides recommended your videos. Keep up the good work!
23:30 "It's not that dangerous of a sport... if nothing goes wrong"
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Hi, thanks for your helpful content I'm really curious rn about triple wrapped 3mill shackles because I hate walking over connections and this seems to be the game changer I'm looking for :) small knots meen great fun
Great video, this is the kind of content I subscribed for. Excited for the break test of the double wrapped 4mm soft shackle and possibly triple wrapped 3mm. The 'double-u' system of connecting the backups seems a bit bulky, is there anyway you could use 4mm for this too?
double wrapped 4mm is the only way and that is bulky. It is all about minimize head size. It is all the same amount of dyneema at the end of the day
Ah no way! I did a tour on my bike out there last year and it was great! There's a "road" heading north out of that campsite you were at which had a named section on the historical map I was navigating with and it was terrifyingly steep. I have no idea *why* it was named, nor could I find any other reference to it, but wowza!
aye always good to see you posted mate
These are the videos I like.
So was wondering if you had ever heard of/used Gaffer tape? It leaves no residue and is fabric based (and similar strength to duct tape). Might be nice for your applications!
I mean, I know that gaffer tape is supposed to leave no residue, but that’s when you use it for gaffering. There’s enough load on these applications that I would expect the glue on gaffer tape to leave residue. It doesn’t do great with heat.
11:40 you say: if this fails in an inov, you're dead.
But if both backups are connected with the longer loop, you only get a rough fall, but you are not dead.
Minnesota is a beautiful state.
Always nice to watch you rigging. Aways a tiny detail to pick up for the next project :)
I’m drunk but I love this channel. Thank you for your time.
Have you tried “Back wrapping” your electrical tape, sticky side up, on the first layer then glue side down? Never tried it on a highline but it works great on wire and wire rope.
There also exists electrical “tape” with no adhesive. You wraps the first couple with the “tape” and finish off with regular tape.
hey Ryan, did you force 10kn pressure on the freshly made 4mm soft shackles so that the button knots settle before you connected the segments or you just force pulled them as mush as you could and you trusted that the noose of the softshackles would not slip? thank you for all your time you have invested in sharing all these info and stoke with everyone
You know what would be a really cool test? Ice screws and v threading, because ice seems terrifying from an outside perspective. That and we are heading into winter in the northern hemisphere, so it would fit.
That is incredible
Won't smaller diameter soft shackles kink a lot more the webbing loops ? Going with 4mm (or even 3mm as you mentioned in the summary) isn't risky for the sewn loop strength ?
Please break test this !
What would be the absolute lightest 20m parkline set up? Could you hand tension or do you need two wire gate biners? Can you get away without a linelock? What to use for slings? Can you use soft shackles anywhere? What's the absolute lightest webbing available?
Some parts of your question you have to find out yourself (like what's the lightest webbing), but my super light setup is this:
One dyneema sling, long enough to fit around a tree.
Two Carabiners
20m Equilibrium slim webbing
I tie one end of the line around a tree and do a primitive on the other side. That way I can tension with a 4:1 and don't need a softrelease or linelock or anything. I think it is less than 1kg. With small biners and dyneema webbing you could probably get down to 600g.
Instead of any tensioning you could also put the anchors up high and handtension without biners, that would save you like 100g
@@niknik0815 thanks, can you tell me more about the dyneema sling? Where do you get it from? And how do you skip the linelock? I've gone for moonwalk (34g/m) over equilibrium slim (26g/m) because I don't really walk rodeo and want to walk longer than 20m but might look into getting some for a super UL 15m line.
What is the name of that gorge y’all are at? Absolutely beautiful! I would like to add it to my climbing bucket list. 🤩
Hint! In the state it’s located in, there is gold in every stream and naked women behind every tree.
Hey McDoodles I got you're back.
I would love for you to test my Amsteel loops; I'm driving by soon... tons of multidecade gear for you too if you are interested
Would you use soft thimbles for the double wrapped 3 mils or do you think the padding in the sewn loops is enough?
Nice video! Thanks
Is there any reason not to use a belay device instead of the munter when controlling the soft release? It would mean that in the brake position you'd be pulling towards yourself and away from the edge which seems like it would be easier to control, and then the backup would engage the brake as well if needed.
I've not come across the "frost knot backup" you mentioned at 25:45. Could anyone point me to what this is and what it is doing it the system?
I use floral wire bent in half to fish the tails for the buries.
That area in Calgary looks exactly like the owyhees on the ID/OR boarder. Infinite new lines could be established out there.
Completely unrelated, but do you have any videos where you test Cypher brand carabiners? I can’t really find any good information about them online
Does it only look like it to me or is that boulder at 16:48 reeaally small?
Great vídeo...
Are these 4mm, or 1/8"? After playing with 4mm, they look more like 1/8".
Was the break test double wrapped or single?
Hey! my question is will the smaller dynema diameters diminish the longevity of the rig or be more vulnerable to longer term wear and tear than the thicker stuff.
The concern is the thinner material could cut the webbing under tension. Padded loops and double wrapped proved to be fine in our initial tests here at the lab.
We need. To find a transparent electrical tape or Shrink tube and see if that works for taping those up
Just kind of wondering why quicklinks or heavy duty carabiners aren't used between sewn loop ends? I mean to make the webbing one piece not to connect the backup to the mainline, like why did you say not to do that? Is it dangerous? Just wondering.
I Imagine because they'd be dangerous to step on and it would add to much weight to the line, they'd have to be steel. But maybe there's more than one reason.
Does go2marine sell in mm? I have a bunch of 1/8in but that’s only 3.2ish? What’s 4mm in freedom units??
Is it just me or does this guy go overkill on every line he rigs? I would literally have like 1 web and some carabiner and a friction knot and maybe a backup
Gooooood luck with that. It will be totally fine...unless one time for some low-probability reason, it isn't! Then I guess you die. I will never understand the "overkill" idea. We should never criticize people for adding safety.
Which one of them old timers was drinking the NA beast? It's good for NA beer, but far from good.
16:38 that twist shackle is orientated wrong. The pin should be on the rope and the bow should be on the blue spanset. Also that polypropylene rope is splice able like dyneema and would probably hold around 5 kn (maybe some break tests would be helpful)
How come?
@@turkeyphant the shackle is more of an aesthetics thing so orientation doesn't really matter but there was an opportunity to make it look nicer so there's that. the poly rope is hollow, (like amsteel) so that means it can be spliced. splices hold around 90-95% of a ropes strength so it would be a lot stronger than a overhand knot like what was in the video
The whole "you say button funny" is you enunciate the T harder than most people do.
Why not put the back up loops inside the main loops then put 2 soft shackles through all 4 loops?
People do that. I don't like how the loops all together make a big fat sandwhich.
I've been watching your hi lining videos for a couple years considering getting into it eventually. It's doesn't seem too complicated but super complicated enough.
0:37 because it sounds like you're saying "Butt-Ten" lol tbh you're just saying it Clear where-as we are used to hearing words/syllables blending together!
god I feel old... the best tape ever is knee tape, the brown stuff with the ridiculous stick. I don't even know what they call it now, last bought it in 1994 or '92 so old idgaf
California Millenials and Zs seem to have been taught to say "butt - on" but i was taught "but - ton" or as dictionary online says 'betn. Same for the other ...ton words.
This was entertaining until 14:45min when the prospect of walking across became terrifying.
Importantt kilonewtontant button
Nasty
If your going to do something wrong, you better do it right
Please, use metric 😎
This.
This is a nasty comment from a climber, not highliner, which apparently is good for the algorithm
f@t b@st@d says = it was a long time ago i met a girl on a australian island called christmas island near cocas keeling islands and she reminds me a lot of the kids [young adults in the footage ] her name was cecinta [secinta ?? not sure of spelling] american indian from memory i have tried to get intouch with one of her friends to show her this video [ things move slowly in the country towns at times ] this was close to 20-30 years ago = it's ok if you deleat this comment as i have connected quite a few people through gut feeling knowing and second sight = not a exact science though felt i should comment and if anyone asks for money it's a scam good gesture is free or maybe i am just meant to write this for a stepping stone or path to be taken = all the best and be safe ps i have invited people to northam [perth western australia ] for upcoming events = not sure if this area is relevant to you being a wheatbelt country town ?? as i live a few towns away ??