Lost Futures of East London (4K)
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A walk to Fairlop from Leytonstone, in East London. Fairlop is in the London Borough of Redbridge and takes its name from the famous Fairlop Oak, an enormous oak tree in Hainault Forest that was said to be 900 years old in its prime. The tree fell into poor health and the trunk was hollow by the time it became the focus of the annual Fairlop Fair when thousands of Londoners flooded out through the forest for festivities around the tree. In 1805 flames from a picnic set light to the tree causing great damage. Then in 1820 the Fairlop Oak finally blew down.
Our walk takes us from Leytonstone High Road through Wanstead to the Redbridge Roundabout and Charles Holden's Redbridge Tube Station. We then go along Redbridge Lane East. I revisit my thoughts on Mark Fisher's idea of Hauntology as a 'nostalgia for lost futures'. I also recently read an essay by Alastair Bonnett that explains how the word 'nostalgia' was "devised in 1688 by Johannes Hofer by combining the Greek ‘nostos’ (home) and ‘algos’ (pain) in order to depict a malady brought on by being distant from one’s homeland... The earliest English uses of the term are geo-psychological. According to the OED, the first English usage is from 1770 and derives from Joseph Banks, botanist on James Cook’s Endeavour. ‘The greatest part’ of the crew, Banks wrote in his diary, are ‘now pretty far gone in the longing for home which the Physicians have gone so far as to esteem a disease under the name of Nostalgia" (The Geography of Nostalgia: Global and Local Perspectives on Modernity and Loss by Alastair Bonnett).
We visit Clayhall Park, named after the manor that was first recorded in the area in 1203. Here we see the plaque embedded in a stone to commemorate the planting of trees by The Men of the Trees in 1937. We then walk through Barkingside to the majestic Fullwell Cross Library. This glorious building was designed by notable architect Frederick Gibberd who later designed Heathrow Airport, Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral and was chief planner for Harlow New Town.
The walk ends at the beautiful Fairlop Waters which had been used as an airfield in both WW1 and WW2 and in 1947 was considered for the location of London's major intercontinental airport.
Filmed on 18th June 2020
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Grew up 400 yds from the Essex border in Hainault, went to Fairlop Junior school then the County High, habitue of Fulwell Cross library - what a building! The cinema was known as the ACE State when I knew it; and the teachers from ICHS all spent lunchtime at the Doc Johnson. From 35 years and 10000 miles distant, thanks for this film and all the other walks around my old manor.
I knew I’d like so I ticked “like” prior to watching it. Now I’ll just pop back in time to 1760 to see the fair.
Have enjoyed all of your vids but there's something special with the local lockdown ones. Will forever encapsulate this period in our lives I think. Thank you so much for making them. Congrats on 10K.
thanks aitchmo
Your philosophy reminds me of the film "American Beauty", i.e. to see beauty in quite mundane and overlooked things. It's a very powerful and transformative outlook. Respect.
thanks Daniel
If you'd have taken a short detour to Christchurch Green on Saturday, you'd have seen a modern-day Fairlop Fair vibe... groups of friends in the sun, extended families together, plenty of cool refreshments from the High St... some ball games, even a bit of dancing. One or two 'improvised' relief areas. I imagine the FF was pretty similar
I've been in Cornwall 39 years and still suffer from nostalgia which is why I'm here! Used to go to Gymnastics club at Redbridge Sports centre every week.
Thank you John for the memories you coaxed out my head. We used to go to fairlop to see the fighter planes and after the war fly our model aeroplanes. After that closed we had to go further afield to North Weald to see the Vampires and Meteors. Lived in Nz for many years so you are the only way I can see where I grew up.....thanks
from Australia....Thank You.
This was my birthplace and it looks great! You are bringing history to life. Cheers.
Hi again John
I remember when they were building the flyover at the Redbridge Roundabout. My friends and I used to float down that stretch of the River Roding on some huge Polystyrene blocks that were somehow being used in the casting of the concrete. The Beefeater used to be called The Red House Pub.
Happy Days.......
You deserve the 10,000, John. I hope you have doubled that by now!!
thanks Trevor - the channel reached 35,000 subscribers the other day which was a nice moment
@@JohnRogersWalks Fantastic! I'm always some months behind your videos, I'm afraid, John, but have recommended them to several friends who also like walking and gawping!
Am just finishing your book for the second time, and enjoyed it more this time round, mainly because I have got to know the locations better. Our son has moved to Walthamstow and our daughter to Hackney Central.
Indeed... I felt nostalgic when you walked through Wanstead where I lived in 1986. Saw the bridge I used to jog over to get to the park...
Lived in Leytonstone from birth until around the age of 18. Great times, George Tomlinson school… when it actually still had 2 playgrounds, a caretaker and his dogs. It’s changed a lot but I miss how it used to be.
The Beefeater (7:30) was previously the Red House.
Quite a popular pub which was painted gloss red before the current beige.
It had problems with commuters using the car park as overspill for Redbridge underground.
Sadly closed now, and (I believe) being demolished.
Great stuff John, my manor so to speak, I can't wait to have a drink in the Fairlop Oak a great place ordinarily to watch the world go by. I used to go to Fairlop infant and junior school and my brother passed his 11 plus in the 80s and went to Ilford County High School. I have ordered your book, should arrive tomorrow so I look forward to having a read. Stay safe John and see you in a future video wherever that maybe.
Really lovely John. I learn something every time I go along for a walk.
Another good one john i have really enjoyed your local walks look forward to many more cheers
Your videos are well done for all the obvious reasons. One thing that I am charmed by is your choice of words and descriptions. Simple things like “a parade of shops”. I will also explore how I can use the word “ontological” in my conversations .
I have been enjoying your videos immensely over the past week... really fascinating insights into a (mostly) very different world to mine (rural Devon). It's so cool to explore these layers history whether on Dartmoor or London!
Wonderful to hear Simon - I do love Devon, my Dad lives down there so I'm round that way a bit during normal times
Thank you John for another uplifting video !xx
Wonderful video - thanks John.
Nostalgia indeed. Why going on these walks with you brings a smile. Thanks
Great walk, its amazing what's literally on your doorstep. I love it when you seem to leave the urban sprawl behind and step into the countryside. Congratulations on 10k 😎👍
oh, johnny! this is so good. Nice to see you in an upbeat mood. stay happy love!! always...
Beautiful video! Thank you.
Another great informative video from a brilliant man, thanks again john.
thanks Raymond - glad you enjoyed it
Congragalations on reaching 10K subscribers, a very well deserved position, I hope you will soon double that, as you have one of the most interesting channels on U Tube, I really enjoy your walks and the History you tell, it makes the walks even more interesting.
Thanks Glenn
Thank you so much for your wonderful videos John, from me, an expat East Ender from Mile End now living in Wellington New Zealand, which is not so good as it may sound. I miss London but like so many people from London can no longer afford to live there, and can barely afford to live here in NZ. Life can be like the can't it!
Thank you for sharing your treks. I love them, you are wonderful.
As always John a relaxing half hour full of information and good humour. Cheers from Iceland.
Congrats on your 10000 John. This is going to remain one of my fave channels, I’m so glad I found it. All thanks to the lockdown I suppose.
Some lovely shots of the scenery and skies in this walk 😌
Always a pleasure, thanks letting us tag along. Congrats on 10K, cheers from BC🇨🇦
thanks Jim
Another great video & you were very lucky with the weather.
Great video! I grew up in Barkingside, many happy memories of Barkingside library. My brother and mum went to the cinema to see Back to the Future, before it was a bingo hall.
Definitely a beautiful sense of nostalgia! even for things that are not part of what we have actually experience ourselves physycally. Lovely video as always John, have a nice week.
thanks Fiona
Thanks John. I’m stuck for a few years in ilford right now and am trying to find the good around here . Valentines park , clay hall park and all of Wanstead are definitely those things .
The RAF (and Royal flying Corps before them) have a long history at Fairlop.
The area east of Fairlop station was the original grass aerodrome.
I understand it was a training base.
The RFC also maintained scout/fighter bases around London to counter the Zeppelin raids.
It's possible that some of the daredevils who took off at night without radio, radar or parachutes may have operated form Fairlop.
The second world war saw the Fairlop Waters area, used for modern fighters.
The RAF connection is preserved somewhat tenuously.
When the RAF stages a fly-past for royal and state events, the flight path passes over Fairlop Waters and Barkingside.
Fullwell Cross Library, featured in this video, is the final land waypoint.
Pilots use it to coordinate their turn toward Buckingham palace.
The Lake at Fairlop waters is relatively new.
The area sits atop a large gravel bed, the lake (and another long wildlife pond in the direction of Barkingside station) are remnants of bulk extraction.
Most was used in the construction trade.
But if you look closely at bags of aquarium gravel in a pet-store odds are that they come from the Hainault industrial estate.
The wildlife pond used to feature a floating dredger barge for extracting the gravel.
It was quite a local landmark.
It was great seeing so many haunts form my childhood and young adult life.
I so glad I came across your chanel by chance lots local history and so pleasantly and enthusiastically presented.
Thanks for all the great videos. Greetings from Oakland, California. Nice to see/hear Mark Fisher being quoted
Lovely stuff John! Thanks as always, and massive congratulations on hitting 10,000 subscribers! It's a truly amazing achievement. Well done!
Thanks Henry
lovely walk I can't wait to explore more of London again when possible
Appreciate your story telling John. Nice walk.
Another great walk ,thankyou John, I am furloughed and really miss London, such a pleasure to watch your video's, it's a real treat
thanks Gabriella - glad the videos can bring a little closer to you
I grew up round this area and have many memories like playing in the grounds of claybury hospital and staying with my Nan that lived in Wanstead at the time I use to ride horses at the old Snaresbrook riding school and use to ride over Wanstead flats ... love seeing the videos as you cover all the areas I grew up around it’s very nostalgic.. I was born in the old King George Hospital on the A12 and now live off the A12 in Harold Hill .. so haven’t gone far .. I go for long walks all over havering it’s such a lovely place to explore. Really enjoy you videos 👏🏽
Chips at 11am! life dont get no better that that john!
those were great years milkman - the school run years
I've really been enjoying your more urban walk videos. As always they are engaging, full of surprising information, and are a pleasure to watch. As always, thanks for sharing and showing that even urban places can have pockets of natural beauty, which are so needed these days, to be acknowledged, preserved, and cultivated. I love the term "hauntology" and the Mark Fisher's idea of a "nostalgia for lost futures" ... this is very much related to the German term, Heimat, it seems to me, as well as George Lukacs idea of "transcendental homelessness." There is something about modernity that has displaced some essential relationship with Nature that many of us feel is somehow missing and we long for. Long walks are ruminating are definitely a strange kind remedy. Congratulations too on the subscriber milestone!
thanks for those comments Carole - will look up Heimat now
Thank you for another enjoyable video John and allowing us to reminisce on the days that have all to quickly flown by.
I am a 66 year old, living in East London and visited so many of the places that you go to. Your videos and narration allows my mind to drift back to my younger days. Thank you again ... Terry
Love your videos John ! I was born and raised in Wanstead and Redbridge, I live in Dallas Texas now
Another great walk loved the library thanks John 👍
my pleasure tomgirl
Your well of knowledge is bottomless!! How do you retain so much information?? Thanks for another great one John.
Congrats on the 10k. Fun walk, especially since I remembered I had an old Collins Britain Atlas and followed along. Cheers, John.
that's a great guide to the walks Rob - thanks
A very good and interesting walk john full of information as always Paul likes the NB cap.. all the best Ann
Great work again as always
thanks Jamie
It's just so fascinating the relationship between the older landscape, remnants of it in conjunction with urbanised settings. How in many more ways from the past the Architecture seemed more in harmony with it's surroundings.
Great stuff John, Fairlop Waters is such a great place to spend time and has loads of history, It was almost going to be a very large, state of the art horse-racing course some years back , as well as the great airport many years ago.
Thankfully, for now - the powers that be have left us alone ! Congrats on your 10 K, many more to come !
Thanks Little Acorns - such a relief they abandoned the racecourse plan as well as the airport
I am gradually going through your fantastic video’s which I found while the lockdown down was on ,So one good thing that came out of the lockdown I found your site which is very impressive, I am learning things that I couldn’t imagined thanks for sharing absolutely wonderful site may it continue John Rogers .
The Central line out to Hainault and Epping with its loop was called the North East London Loop Extension by London Underground when being built....it was known as the NELLE (nelly) section!!
Hi John, Another great video. I have been meaning to leave a comment for the last few weeks as you always seem to include at least one place I remember. I kept a sailing boat at Fairlop waters in the mid eighties. Back then there was just a small shed that was running by the sailing club for drinks and snacks. I would be there once or twice a week sailing except during the winter.
From the mid 60s to mid 80s I lived in Leytonstone, a few minutes walk from Harrow Green (spent a lot of time in the library that you have featured in the past). Then from the mid 80s to 90s I lived in Highams Park.
Looking forward to next weeks video.
Great route, John.
Liked seeing you pass through Clayhall Park after filming the phone exchange.
17:46 - went here (as a teacher) - you'd like the quadrants - Valentine's school has near-identical 1930s layout.
Did drink in Dr Johnson few times, and although the beer tasted of snakebite, there was no baize on the pool table, and the locals stared you back out again... it was a fascinating space! Like the Palm Tree (Mile End) meets Concorde 2(Brighton)? Hope the Co-op retained the original doors.
Fairlop Oak on the roundabout is a decent pub - civilised now but twenty years ago, very scary.
Recently saw the grandly-proportioned 'Valentine' at Gants Hill has gone like 'The Avenue' before it.
Another epic John. Fulwell Cross Library is certainly a gem among suburbia in fact the whole area looks fascinating with plenty of independent shops and businesses.
Congratulations on the growth of your channel. Hard work is almost always rewarded with notice. I'm sure you will continue to have success.
In Stanley Park, a well known large park in Vancouver BC Canada there is a large tree that for many years was visited by hundreds of thousands of park goers. When you said you had stopped at the hollow tree, most people knew exactly what you were referring to. Many people took pictures there. Family pictures were popular, but also if you had a small car you could drive it into the tree and have your picture taken with your car in the hollow tree. Several years ago, it became so decayed that it was no longer safe for the public so as an exhibit it has been closed. Some repairs were attempted, but after spending an obscene amount of money on it, it was decided to close it to the public.
Thanks Helen. I think I've heard of Stanley Park for some reason. Thanks for sharing that story of the hollow tree - they seem to loom so large in our psyche, I guess we must somehow remember our roots as forest dwellers
All I can say is wow wow what a beautiful walk about I am not a walk but I enjoy your day out thank you and well done
Another great video, John. Would love to see a walk through Canning Town.
Thanks Mark - yes Canning Town has been on the list for a while
I would love that, My nan lived there in the 1970s
Thank you John. Particularly interesting for me as my sister recently moved out of Reydon Hall into a new flat, my son attended the Ilford County High School and I live Clayhall opposite Claybury woods and about ten minutes walk from Fairlop Waters. Bob.
Hugely enjoyable and informative video. I vaguely remember 'courting' on a couple of occasions at the pub by Redbridge station. I can't, for the life of me, remember the pub name. Its claim to fame being the huge tree 'growing' inside the actual building. Happy, happy days.
Great to see you wander to this neck of the woods, and incidentally Ilford County High school gave us none other than Sir Trevor Brooking (amongst other luminaries).
Thanks Iford Retro - I've felt the pull in this direction a lot during lockdown. Didn't realise Sir Trevor went to Ilford County - that's some alumnus
@@JohnRogersWalks Like many others I was pleased to come along for the walk and narration; and I haven't even been to Clayhall Park before, which is blasphemy of sorts so you've given me fresh impetus. If things ever return to normal transport-wise, keep your eyes peeled when on the Central Line. I've shared (not harassed I hasten to add) several trips with Sir Trev.
As always a very enjoyable video and well done on reaching 10k subs...…..Cheers Kev
thanks Kev
You have another subscriber John. Came recommended by Sean and have really liked the videos I have seen. Loved the one on the Chelmer and Blackwater as it's local to me and look forward to seeing other videos in time. My parents were from east London and dad worked near Wanstead Flats so sort of know the area. Do like the way you add history into your walks.
Hi john love your videos I grew up in leytonstone as a kid and lived on the then cathall road estate in on of the tower blocks was a pretty grim place at the time extreme poverty and crime, but had great views over the city. was born in whipscross hospital so very local. Keep up the videos I find then very therapeutic
Thanks for the etymological tutorial mate. I was within a whisker of using nostalgia correctly..
Weather forecasts lately - I know what you mean.
Midsummer's Day and more like October here in Scotland. Central heating on..
Consolation prize - another Sunday evening walk with the Rogers. Excellent.
Another wonderful video. Remember the cinema - there was shop next door, 'Golds' sold discounted LPs in the 70s. Many a book for homework borrowed from Fullwell Library!
I was brought up in Barkingside all this is part of my childhood I've subscribed and look forward to more videos 👍👍👍👍
Lovely film as ever, John. You've shown me (and 9,999 others I'm sure) a completely different side of 'that fancy London' over recent months and made the place seem much more human than it's always been in my imagination. On Friday last I was lucky enough to attend a virtual (Zoom) talk by a gent called John Wood who you may know of. He's a great champion of London's street trees, has written books on the subject and has created a map of the 'Great Trees of London' which could, perhaps, be a launchpad for a future walk? Cheers 👍🏼
Is that map available online?
Lucysmom26 I don’t think so. I’ve looked at the map on Amazon and the photo’s show it’s not very detailed. There is some text which provides information on each tree so I guess using the map + an A-Z or GPS would get you to there. I’m sure it’s good if you already know the area. The chaps name is actually PAUL Wood, I’m not sure where I got the John from 🙂. This video will give you a taste of the map and a good idea of Paul’s enthusiasm. th-cam.com/video/AnPmVbDAY14/w-d-xo.html
I've driven up and down Gainsborough Road many a time, but never noticed that fantastic view of central London (probably because I was trying to stick to the 20 mph speed limit).
Thank you for pointing it out John! 🙂
Great John. Again. Now I’m going to see if I can find a video showing the days of the docks of London . (When I was a West London boy , I missed the chance of spending the day with an actual docker there. Didn’t get up in time!)
The Barkingside Leasure Center DID used to be an Olympic sized swimming pool. My kids learned to swim in there.
Britain has some fantastic history
I love your observations - you commented about the parade of shops at Redbridge Lane East and I thought ... what? Hair City and Eastern Mangal ... then I looked up at the roof line and I immediately knew what you meant !
Really glad I rambled around in cyberspace and fell upon your channel.I am locked down in France when I should have been visiting my daughter in London for Easter.💋
The pub at Redbridge opposite the station was, years ago The Red House. Great pub in two halves, one for drinkers, one for eaters.
I was connected to the old horse livery stables behind it, where I had the best days of my life! unless my girlfriend and sons see this.
There's the related concept of "nostalgia for things that never were" - for which the German word _sehnsucht_ is used in English.
I like that idea Mickey thanks
well what caparisons. the flats and big houses and busy noisy roads to beautiful country parks. I know which I prefer. very nice John, great to view.
Wow amazing London.
John, my most favourite youtuber, I hope you read this and take my suggestion on board. I genuinely am grateful and privileged of the videos you produce. I've struggled with poor mental health and bad sleep over the years, your videos are so helpful. Can't believe you are now at 65k+ subscribers considering I subscribed when you had 10k less than 2.5yrs ago. I know a lot of my friends an family love your videos. Anyway, 1st of all, my offer to show you around the London wall that is now within the Bank of America offices in St Pauls still stands (I am not based in the office as much as I used to but still do have access! - I sent you an Instagram message about this) Secondly, I have just thought of a possible walk I would love to see from you. I have recently, don't ask why, decided to get back into watching Eastenders. I'm a lot older these days and so decided to do some digging into the background of the famous BBC soap. It turns out the square is based on Fassett Square in Dalston AND that the market they have on Eastenders is actually based on a market nearby at Ridley Road. It also turns out that the soap's creator named the place Walford because he lived in a street called Walford in Dalston and also felt it was a cross with Walthamstow. It could be quite an interesting video and I am happy to help you with research / filming if needed. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards,
(Special) Kay
Thanks for that message Kay and the offer to see that section of the wall. That’s a great idea for a video around Dalston - many thanks
Hi John
The Beefeater used to be called The Red House. I went there a few times, not much to write home about. Of course there is still a fair at Fairlop, at Forest Farm. The boot fair which runs every Tuesday. Where you can buy a bargain and see many Leytonstone faces. It re-opens on Tuesday after being closed because of Covid 19. Gary
Talk about 'care home capital', an old friend of mine (no longer with us( longer with anybody)) well known trumpet player Freddy Randall, ran two care homes as a sideline for a period. One was called 'The Chestnuts' in Wanstead and later one called 'Winterton' in Epping new Rd; Buckhurst hill.
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Omg I used to drink in the George pub as I dated a guy that lived not far from there at the time they wanted to build the road and cut the big old tree down (yes I am that old) 😂
Nice one, John! 🚶♂️
I think the Beefeater used to be called the Red House
That it did. I was in there a lot in early nineteen sixties.
I remember the Red House from the 90's.
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Oh, that explains it, then. I thought you weren't coming so I went home.
Hi John
Really enjoying your well presented, informative videos , very relaxing to watch , and loving London and surrounding more , apart from the building bits I suppose
thanks Adrian
John Rogers your most welcome
In these current stressful months your channel should be prescribed to people by the NHS, it'll calm everyone down...
Thank you John.
Ps I've shared your channel with a family member who is having a hard time at the moment, I hope it'll give him escapism for a while as it does me...
Sorry to hear about your family member Paul - hope things improve for them soon, if the videos can help in some way that's great. Thanks for the kind words
Strange! I bought those exact Merrill Moab walking shoes last month! We’re not familiar with a lot of the areas you’ve walked during lockdown, but we do know Redbridge tube station, as we sometimes drive there from Suffolk to get the tube into Central London.
Brilliant as always John loads off information and always very interesting.. re. Footwear iv just brought Ann a pair as we have started walking forest routes aswell.. i think Ann mentioned about the NB cap lol. I wish john someone as good as you would do a walk around Enfield as that has megga history... tc mate looking forward to your nxt walk God bless
The nostalgia for lost futures is certainly a fascinating idea. There's something about Art Deco architecture that suggests an abandoned project, a vision that was never fully realised - the buildings left high and dry by the planners. As beautiful as they are they just don't fit in - whereas the brutalist horrors of the 60's and 70's do. Funny, that!
those buildings stand as a reminder that we can dream again - one day
@@JohnRogersWalks Very true!
Thanks john Keep safe
Great walk John, I used to go to school sports at Fairlop grounds when at school, every Wednesday morning on the coach from Woodberry Down, make sure you took your kit or you'd be doing football in your underpants !!!! Thanks So much these videos are a lifeline, there's a bit about Epping Forest on BBC Countryfile today !!! See you soon mate.....
Great stuff Leslie - that's quite a hike for school sports but all part of the fun. Glad to hear the videos have brought some relief. I'll catch the Countryfile ep on iPlayer later - thanks
@@JohnRogersWalks we had no playing fields so that was the only way we could do weekly sport it was a break from the classroom, the coach driver used to have the radio on and you could watch the tube trains whilst playing especially if you were in goal and all the action was up the other end of the field !!!! Happy Days, take care !!!
Most enjoyable Thank you
Hi John, couple of points that you asked about....Firstly, the cinema at Fullwell Cross roundabout used to be an ABC Cinema....the Odeon was always at Gants Hill.......the pub at Redbridge roundabout was always know as the Redhouse.
Really enjoying your videos, grew up around about and brings back some great memories.
"The Men of the Trees"...sounds like an early Gong album.
MonkeyTrousers Lester the Nightfly waits all night for comments like these.
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Amazing wander through Barkingside