I got the Merlin Yuri for 60 quid off sports bike shop on offer from about 130 and love it, and it works well under the Rev it Sand 4. Love how body heat inflates them and they fill in gaps between you and top jacket. Its a 90/10 down feather ration and 650 fill rating.
Belstaff may have been the first to sell that combination but I’m sure people have been layering down jackets or gilets for years before that. I live in Mongolia most of the time. I wear leathers which are too tight to put down jackets underneath. Down needs space to loft in order to do its job. So, I put my Rab down jacket over the top of my leathers. Since down needs air to loft and then trap, down jackets aren’t particularly windproof. Therefore, I wear an Oxford Rainseal rain jacket over the top of the Rab down jacket. This combination keeps me reasonably comfortable in temperatures as low as -20C. Below that, I just don’t ride because I’d need electric heated layers which I don’t have, except for heated grips. I’d ignore fill power and focus on loft. High fill power is mainly a weight saving option for mountaineers who have to carry gear up a mountain so weight saving is critical. They essentially pay more to get the same warmth but with less weight and packed bulk. For lazy bikers, it’s largely irrelevant and costs a hell of a lot more.
I bought the Klim Maverick in Spring 2023 and was happy to have it while moto-camping. It is very warm, light-weight, and packs down into its own pocket. However, as I understand it Klim does not recommend washing this item, but merely suggests spot-cleaning with wash cloth. I consider this a negative. Care instructions are always now a consideration that I take into account now when making a purchase.
Quick question: If you wanted to block the wind, wouldn't you put the wind-breaker near the outer layers, rather than the inside layer? I have this problem myself, and I've always put the wind-stopper as far out as possible. Am I doing it wrong? Cheers for the great videos by the way. Much appreciated!! I just found you guys and I'm hooked.
Chris, why wear the wind stopper underneath the down jacket, I thought it would be better to wear it over the down jacket? Can you enlighten us why this is the correct method please.
Nearly tempted, but through the cold months the wiring for the Gerbing heated gloves runs down the sleeves between the jacket and the zipped in liner. I just know I'd get wrapped up in the tangle of wires donning a down jacket.
I’ve emailed your team for more information on the Klim and they replied within 15 minutes…. We need your shop in Newcastle the shops around town today don’t stock the high end quality gear sadly.
You forgot about Klim's other jacket, the BOULDER JACKET, 800 fill power down, "windproof", and DWP treated at $280. It's $30 more than the regular 800 filled power down, non-windproof jacket, the MAVERICK DOWN JACKET.
Great review again, thank you. Is the down fill power rating not reflecting the space that a given weight of down expands to occupy? So a higher fill power rating doesn't mean it has more down or is warmer, it just means that it would be warmer for the same weight of down that a given jacket is filled with. 🤓
Fill power is mainly for weight saving for mountaineers who actually have to carry stuff. So a 1000 fill power will weigh less than the same amount of loft in an item with 600 fill power. For bikers, the amount of loft and therefore warmth is the critical thing. Also, good baffling, instead of sewn-through seams, will help prevent cold spots.
@@low-costgearbudgettour714 In my experience claims of down over 800 fill power should be taken with a pinch of salt, although PHD's 1000 fill power is undoubtedly excellent and super spendy.
A great review as always Chris, I have absolutely no reason to doubt anything you said in the video but I had a question, I was always of the understanding that a down jacket, any down jacket is puffy for insulation purposes and they work great as long as they don't get wet, once wet their heat properties are lost, but my main question is that down jackets only work properly if they stay puffy, so when putting an outer motorcycle jacket on over it, it will of course crush it somewhat so it's not so efficient. Maybe I have this wrong but I would appreciate your thoughts?
I wear my Rab jacket over the top of my leathers in temperatures as low as -20C (I live in Mongolia). Under the leathers would, as you say, prevent the down lofting. Useless. So, with a tight outer jacket, you should wear the down outside. For best results, put a windproof jacket over the down jacket. It’s a lot of faffing about but if you want to stay warm in sub-zero temperatures, it’s essential.
Or you could be smart and get a Helly Hansen Verglas Down Insulator Jacket with European goose and a fill power of 700+ for under 200 euro ... (right now selling 40% off for £99.99 ..)
That doesn't look as though it is going to work under a motorcycle jacket. Way too baggy and long! And if you are buying from Europe be prepared for duty and VAT charges. So not necessarily a smart buy.
I got the Merlin Yuri for 60 quid off sports bike shop on offer from about 130 and love it, and it works well under the Rev it Sand 4. Love how body heat inflates them and they fill in gaps between you and top jacket. Its a 90/10 down feather ration and 650 fill rating.
@Chris, I love your sense of humour:
“Charlie & Ewan ... and their never ending search for power sockets”.
That Rukka is ingenious, half the cost, and most likely plenty warm. Brilliant!
Belstaff may have been the first to sell that combination but I’m sure people have been layering down jackets or gilets for years before that. I live in Mongolia most of the time. I wear leathers which are too tight to put down jackets underneath. Down needs space to loft in order to do its job. So, I put my Rab down jacket over the top of my leathers. Since down needs air to loft and then trap, down jackets aren’t particularly windproof. Therefore, I wear an Oxford Rainseal rain jacket over the top of the Rab down jacket. This combination keeps me reasonably comfortable in temperatures as low as -20C. Below that, I just don’t ride because I’d need electric heated layers which I don’t have, except for heated grips.
I’d ignore fill power and focus on loft. High fill power is mainly a weight saving option for mountaineers who have to carry gear up a mountain so weight saving is critical. They essentially pay more to get the same warmth but with less weight and packed bulk. For lazy bikers, it’s largely irrelevant and costs a hell of a lot more.
But he said they get bigger with fill power hose if that saving weight
Chap in the cap leaves no stone unturned in every piece of gear. Thanks a lot.
Wow the Belstaff looks really good. Especially when combined with that liner
I just use a Patagonia down jacket. My motorcycle jacket fits over it very well.
I bought the Klim Maverick in Spring 2023 and was happy to have it while moto-camping. It is very warm, light-weight, and packs down into its own pocket. However, as I understand it Klim does not recommend washing this item, but merely suggests spot-cleaning with wash cloth. I consider this a negative. Care instructions are always now a consideration that I take into account now when making a purchase.
Good on Rukka for inventing this idea
Quick question: If you wanted to block the wind, wouldn't you put the wind-breaker near the outer layers, rather than the inside layer? I have this problem myself, and I've always put the wind-stopper as far out as possible. Am I doing it wrong? Cheers for the great videos by the way. Much appreciated!! I just found you guys and I'm hooked.
You're right. Windbreaker on the outside always.
Chris, why wear the wind stopper underneath the down jacket, I thought it would be better to wear it over the down jacket? Can you enlighten us why this is the correct method please.
Rukka: superb piece of kit. Not cheap but you only buy it once. Klim: more expensive. No surprise. Belstaff: good value. A surprise.
Great information. Thanks, CITC.
Or just use panniers to carry kit 🤣 I’m only kidding…excellent reviews as always and options are never a bad thing.
Nearly tempted, but through the cold months the wiring for the Gerbing heated gloves runs down the sleeves between the jacket and the zipped in liner. I just know I'd get wrapped up in the tangle of wires donning a down jacket.
Do a layering system video pls
I’ve emailed your team for more information on the Klim and they replied within 15 minutes…. We need your shop in Newcastle the shops around town today don’t stock the high end quality gear sadly.
How is the sizing on the Klim? Do you find it a little too roomy around the mid section? Should you size down?
You forgot about Klim's other jacket, the BOULDER JACKET, 800 fill power down, "windproof", and DWP treated at $280. It's $30 more than the regular 800 filled power down, non-windproof jacket, the MAVERICK DOWN JACKET.
is there a recommendation on how to store these type of jackets? are they best on a hanger, or stuffed into their pocket/sacks?
Klim or, more properly “Climb”…American vs English language. Love them both.
Great review again, thank you.
Is the down fill power rating not reflecting the space that a given weight of down expands to occupy? So a higher fill power rating doesn't mean it has more down or is warmer, it just means that it would be warmer for the same weight of down that a given jacket is filled with. 🤓
Fill power is mainly for weight saving for mountaineers who actually have to carry stuff. So a 1000 fill power will weigh less than the same amount of loft in an item with 600 fill power. For bikers, the amount of loft and therefore warmth is the critical thing. Also, good baffling, instead of sewn-through seams, will help prevent cold spots.
@@low-costgearbudgettour714 In my experience claims of down over 800 fill power should be taken with a pinch of salt, although PHD's 1000 fill power is undoubtedly excellent and super spendy.
I take it they are not breathable, so keeps all your sweat inside?
Love the tennis balls trick!
Why doesn't my Rukka nivala down jacket have the option to make the sleeves dissappear?? 🤔
Can I change it under guarantee?
A great review as always Chris, I have absolutely no reason to doubt anything you said in the video but I had a question,
I was always of the understanding that a down jacket, any down jacket is puffy for insulation purposes and they work great as long as they don't get wet, once wet their heat properties are lost, but my main question is that down jackets only work properly if they stay puffy, so when putting an outer motorcycle jacket on over it, it will of course crush it somewhat so it's not so efficient.
Maybe I have this wrong but I would appreciate your thoughts?
Interesting. I’d love to read an answer to this.
I wear my Rab jacket over the top of my leathers in temperatures as low as -20C (I live in Mongolia). Under the leathers would, as you say, prevent the down lofting. Useless. So, with a tight outer jacket, you should wear the down outside. For best results, put a windproof jacket over the down jacket. It’s a lot of faffing about but if you want to stay warm in sub-zero temperatures, it’s essential.
One critique. You told us about Rukka being shorter and the rest longer but you didn’t show us and we can’t see with you standing behind the desk
My cousin had downs, he has a very strong hug. Doesnt know his own strength.
Have you ever heard of micro-down? Do you know what that is?
How often does the LWU jacket need re-charging and will it distract me utterly from anything remotely interesting?
Can you wear it under any winter motorbike jackets on entry please please let me knowTerry
Well yes. If you have a liner you unzip from your existing winter jacket I cannot see you wouldn’t fit a down underneath.
Or you could be smart and get a Helly Hansen Verglas Down Insulator Jacket with European goose and a fill power of 700+ for under 200 euro ... (right now selling 40% off for £99.99 ..)
Where?
That doesn't look as though it is going to work under a motorcycle jacket. Way too baggy and long! And if you are buying from Europe be prepared for duty and VAT charges. So not necessarily a smart buy.
@@Motolegends I use one myself, and it even works under a Dainese Razon ...
long way up down 😂😂
Motorcycle parts are overpriced.
Everything is overpriced
If you knew how down was produced yo wouldn’t be promoting it. Un less your into torturing animals