It's perception, Masai doesn't trade low, assets will walk for free(to probably not the team sending an offer) before Masai sells low, because that's how Masai moves teams that want to contend this year know they need to send real offers, Masai just doesn't give anything up for pennies on the dollar. Raptors fanbase has been split for a few years between the people who know what being bad and rebuilding is like and the fans that jumped on the ship in 2019. Toronto isn't a free agent market so once we trade our best players we're going to be bad until we develop new young talent. Even if it wasn't successful if they thought we could have been a playoff team after the Poeltl trade I respect the FO would rather pull the trigger to try. Poeltl is also the only big center we have, trading him away and not getting a reasonably serviceable young center back is just bad for the development of young guys imo. What people also forget about the Poeltl trade is all of this happened while the Raptors had a long wing experiment going on and that 1 playoff appearance was by design. The team was Fred and a bunch of long defensive wings, the idea was these guys can switch on everything and make it hard to shoot threes, until teams learned they could use the chaos of always switching to attack the basket for an easy layup or kick to an open man for 3. The lack of center hurt in the paint and that crumbled the whole experiment, Poeltl was supposed to take the team that recently made playoffs and cover that weakness, unfortunately because we just switched all the time it wasn't until we added a center that we learned that most of our bench had some pretty bad BBIQ that was covered by always switching. It makes no sense from the outside in becasue they were not trying to build the best modern NBA team, they tried to build the team meant to counter modern NBA trends.
The analysis of the Poeltl trade brings to light the team's experimental phase, particularly the "long wing" strategy aimed at countering modern NBA trends. The realization that a traditional big man like Poeltl was needed to shore up the team's interior defense underscores the learning process and the adjustments made in pursuit of an effective roster.
“Masai doesn’t give anything away on the dollar?” He virtually gave away Kyle Lowry (for Precious). He gave away Fred for … nothing. He paid 2 picks and $20mil for Jakob. He waited too long on Gary Trent Jr and Pascal (heartbreaking) and got little in return.
Y’all tweaking in the comments lmao. The year after Kawhi left they took one of the best teams in the NBA to 7 games, tanked for a year and got Scottie, overachieved and made the playoffs where they lost to Emflop. Yes last year he should have traded FVV, but Masai got great returns on OG and Pascal. “Imagine if he traded them earlier” he took a gamble and lost. Last time he took a gamble they won a chip and drafted one of the best young stars in the league. Put some respect on this guy’s name, y’all know nothing if you think he’s done poorly
Honestly, the team now is looking for a 3D wing and a young center. Yeap that sure sounds like OG. Honestly, i understand y masai didnt pull the trigger with fvv last yr. N letting him walk isnt that big of a deal. Fred is a glorified role player. But i didnt understand the OG trade if they were going to trade pascal anyway.
if they lose enough games and end up within the top 6 in the draft lottery next year they keep their pick, so yea losing games is actually helping them finesse lol
Yeah send him any place but Toronto .. dude is a low Motor player….. he plays on a team he won the championship with and has a top ten all time player on the roster still playing top tier… and look at him.. this is the second team DONT be a casual bro.. bringng him home cause he’s Canadian is a causal take bro.. look at what the evidence shows.. call a spade a spade man..why trade an asset for a guy who looks like he doesn’t wanna play in the nba %70 of the time.. not to mention that atrocious contract he just got
ngl trading for andrew wiggins be terrible, he's regressed a lot this season and that not even the main issue. he doesn't fit on the team he's not as consistent as a 3pt shooter he used to be and we already been having an issue with having too many wings on our roster before. it not as much as a problem now but we should go back to that now.
Unfortunately Masai and Webster have run this team into the ground since the championship 2019. Awful drafting (except for Scottie) and awful trades. Anyone who thinks these two guys leading the Raptors are good managers of the team are delusional. The record of the Raptors speaks for itself. Before the two trades this season, somehow the out of playoff Raptors have traded away future draft picks for no apparent reason.
lol rj has been playing like a real all star 20+ and 6 a game so him and Scottie are a great young duo. Quickly has been inconsistent but more consistent then not
Trade Thad your for draft capital Sign Kai Jones (young confident PF that is promising, free agent currently) Trade Bruce Brown for 2 1st rounds or a 1st and an young forward They'd be able to get two young players that fit the Raptors timeline as well as roughly 4 more picks where they can grab more youth
They need to just create an NBA baby factory with all the best genes from the best players in the NBA/WNBA and train them their whole lives so that they only know basketball. I think this would be a much cheaper way to ensure their assets in the future- being able to track their growth and abilities as they mature before being menaces on the court. Just imagine
WHY does everybody bring up Wiggins? If he wasnt from toronto NOBODY would bring him up because a.) he sucks b.) terrible contract. If we are taking on Wiggins we would need at least Kuminga added to swallow that contract. So the trade would look something like Brown and GTjr for Wiggins moody Kuminga and future 1st
Regardless of the brown things he’s right about wiggins 😂 bad contract.. low motor.. only reasons dudes bring him up is cause he’s Canadian… which makes that a casual take tbh… wiggins is a negative asset lol you gotta pay me to take that 😂
The Raps are run by idiots. Masai has reduced the Raps to an expansion team. We are never going to see the Raps make it past the 1st round for the next 5 years.
What dumb comment to make. The moves he has made have been very well. And the raptors have done pretty well other then the last 2 seasons. I don't know what your watching but it isn't the same thing as everyone else. If you hate the raptors so much..here's a tip..dont watch them then
@@og3945 Y'all keep pointing at the Wizards and Pistons while disregarding OKC, Sacramento and Minnesota who have rebuilt via the draft and timely trades where Masai was trading picks for Scrub centres, letting talent walk for nothing (FVV) and trying to push for pointless play ins. This rebuild was a long time coming.
I honestly think that Rafael Araujo could be the face of the team. Once he drops the act of being brazilian 💀and accepts guidance from bronny sr he'll be KING
Masai has done nothing since champion, with the exception of drafting Barnes. Most of the decisions he made are awful. I have no idea how he still manage to keep his job. He literally run this org to ground.
If youve ever simmed an entire 20yr GM mode and won multiple back to backs or threepeats. You always go younger. Salary cap is a real thing. Most people tend to forget that... Bench mob? Just look at how much FVV, Pascal and OG are all getting paid now.. nothing lasts forever folks. Thats the buisness, asset retention at all costs. Wiggins to the Raps on the other hand doesnt make sense. Age, contract, and regression wise... I think the Raps would need to receive draft compensation from the GSW for the extra 2 years of Wiggins contract (4 total, with a $30mil player option in 2026-2027) vs Bruce Browns 2 year contract, with a $23mil team option in 2024-2025... If you actually read this comment. You understand the concept of the 'Moneyball' movie, analytics in general, some accounting, and are not some casual NBA fan. You may not go 8 straight championships like Bill Russell did, but you'll definitely have a chance to win multiple in a row. With that said, we have finally reached Lebron's twilight era of playoff dominance.. Imagine 10 years ago if anyone told you Denver, Milwaukee or Toronto would all win NBA championships... you'd laugh hysterically.. Especially if someone told you Marc Gasol, Jrue Holiday, and Aaron Gordon all got chips before Chris Paul, James Harden or Russell Westbrook or Damian Lillard..
i was ready to shut it down in first 30 seconds, definitely did not overvalue their players, in particular OG. his impact in New York is no surprise to this Raps fan.
@@thatsnice99 Scottie Barnes??? Not to mention Pascal, Freddy and the whole bench mob that the Raptors developed from second rounders and undrafted players to Championship pieces
How was Masai overvaluing his players? Look at New York, Indiana and Houston’s records since adding our “overvalued players”.
bro has stage 3 amnesia
I mean, Scottie Barnes is the next Greek Freak, so.
This just sounds like "waaaaaahhh im a toronto fan waaaaahhhhh"
@@PubertHoward yall overrate him so hard
@@mikeyboy7719 you're definitely allowed to be wrong
Dic pic 😂. Love the take on trades. Couldn't agree more!
Masai looking like he’s in his 2019 bag
lol Sorry
W
1. Lose(retain top 6)
2. Gather draft capital
3. Repeat
That Dick Pick is finally coming out of his shell now and impressing the world with his play and energy.
😂😂😂😂
Dick is beginning to stand up and show his full potential. When Dick fills out to his full girth he will be an impressive specimen, and a nice player.
Sus
@@gr33dyglutton😂😂😂
This is what a basketball team with players that are skilled for the basketball game looks like
It looks like losing?
@@jnrbshp losing their minds on the court and going nuclear, hell yea!!!!!
@@dilemma958 I just don't get the praise for Masai now doing the things he should have done as soon as kawhi left...
My favourite part is where they pretend it takes more than 20 points of IQ to throw a ball in a fuckin' net.
@@jnrbshp he's a gamer bro we're not meant to know what he's cooking up until he flops in the hot pan of bball
It's perception, Masai doesn't trade low, assets will walk for free(to probably not the team sending an offer) before Masai sells low, because that's how Masai moves teams that want to contend this year know they need to send real offers, Masai just doesn't give anything up for pennies on the dollar.
Raptors fanbase has been split for a few years between the people who know what being bad and rebuilding is like and the fans that jumped on the ship in 2019. Toronto isn't a free agent market so once we trade our best players we're going to be bad until we develop new young talent. Even if it wasn't successful if they thought we could have been a playoff team after the Poeltl trade I respect the FO would rather pull the trigger to try. Poeltl is also the only big center we have, trading him away and not getting a reasonably serviceable young center back is just bad for the development of young guys imo.
What people also forget about the Poeltl trade is all of this happened while the Raptors had a long wing experiment going on and that 1 playoff appearance was by design. The team was Fred and a bunch of long defensive wings, the idea was these guys can switch on everything and make it hard to shoot threes, until teams learned they could use the chaos of always switching to attack the basket for an easy layup or kick to an open man for 3. The lack of center hurt in the paint and that crumbled the whole experiment, Poeltl was supposed to take the team that recently made playoffs and cover that weakness, unfortunately because we just switched all the time it wasn't until we added a center that we learned that most of our bench had some pretty bad BBIQ that was covered by always switching. It makes no sense from the outside in becasue they were not trying to build the best modern NBA team, they tried to build the team meant to counter modern NBA trends.
The analysis of the Poeltl trade brings to light the team's experimental phase, particularly the "long wing" strategy aimed at countering modern NBA trends. The realization that a traditional big man like Poeltl was needed to shore up the team's interior defense underscores the learning process and the adjustments made in pursuit of an effective roster.
“Masai doesn’t give anything away on the dollar?” He virtually gave away Kyle Lowry (for Precious). He gave away Fred for … nothing. He paid 2 picks and $20mil for Jakob. He waited too long on Gary Trent Jr and Pascal (heartbreaking) and got little in return.
Spot on 🎯
I gave the Siakam trade a B minus but it's actually an incomplete trade until Bruce Brown is moved.
Y’all tweaking in the comments lmao. The year after Kawhi left they took one of the best teams in the NBA to 7 games, tanked for a year and got Scottie, overachieved and made the playoffs where they lost to Emflop. Yes last year he should have traded FVV, but Masai got great returns on OG and Pascal. “Imagine if he traded them earlier” he took a gamble and lost. Last time he took a gamble they won a chip and drafted one of the best young stars in the league. Put some respect on this guy’s name, y’all know nothing if you think he’s done poorly
Masai is such a genus. lol. Raps are at the bottom of the sh.t pile. Come on men .
Honestly, the team now is looking for a 3D wing and a young center. Yeap that sure sounds like OG. Honestly, i understand y masai didnt pull the trigger with fvv last yr. N letting him walk isnt that big of a deal. Fred is a glorified role player. But i didnt understand the OG trade if they were going to trade pascal anyway.
If he traded Siakam and OG LAST YEAR, he would've gotten much better deals.
Plsssss stop shipping Wiggins to the Raptors now that he’s having an ass of a season just because he’s Canadian.
Yes, finessing the nba..😮…by losing many, many games!
Ever heard of a rebuild?
David Wrong
Ever hear of tanking....just sayin
if they lose enough games and end up within the top 6 in the draft lottery next year they keep their pick, so yea losing games is actually helping them finesse lol
Come on men . Ballers play to win . No such thing as.
definitely don’t want wiggins. that contract sucks i wouldn’t wanna get stuck with that.
I think wiggins needs that change
Yeah send him any place but Toronto .. dude is a low Motor player….. he plays on a team he won the championship with and has a top ten all time player on the roster still playing top tier… and look at him.. this is the second team DONT be a casual bro.. bringng him home cause he’s Canadian is a causal take bro.. look at what the evidence shows.. call a spade a spade man..why trade an asset for a guy who looks like he doesn’t wanna play in the nba %70 of the time.. not to mention that atrocious contract he just got
ngl trading for andrew wiggins be terrible, he's regressed a lot this season and that not even the main issue. he doesn't fit on the team he's not as consistent as a 3pt shooter he used to be and we already been having an issue with having too many wings on our roster before. it not as much as a problem now but we should go back to that now.
Unfortunately Masai and Webster have run this team into the ground since the championship 2019. Awful drafting (except for Scottie) and awful trades. Anyone who thinks these two guys leading the Raptors are good managers of the team are delusional. The record of the Raptors speaks for itself. Before the two trades this season, somehow the out of playoff Raptors have traded away future draft picks for no apparent reason.
Do you think Scottie Barnes is the next greek freak tho
LETS GO KNICKS
Yeh totally finessing... thanks for OG dude, and thanks for taking that bum Barrett of our hands too, and Quickley who was massively inconsistent.
lol rj has been playing like a real all star 20+ and 6 a game so him and Scottie are a great young duo. Quickly has been inconsistent but more consistent then not
20-6 is no "all star" in 2024@@TTVShankyCT
I'd try for Wiggins what a story that would be....a....
Trade Thad your for draft capital
Sign Kai Jones (young confident PF that is promising, free agent currently)
Trade Bruce Brown for 2 1st rounds or a 1st and an young forward
They'd be able to get two young players that fit the Raptors timeline as well as roughly 4 more picks where they can grab more youth
They need to just create an NBA baby factory with all the best genes from the best players in the NBA/WNBA and train them their whole lives so that they only know basketball. I think this would be a much cheaper way to ensure their assets in the future- being able to track their growth and abilities as they mature before being menaces on the court. Just imagine
5 years of average basketball and now we rebuild. 5 years too late. Masai has done a garbage job.
Massai defenders are ridiculous
WHY does everybody bring up Wiggins? If he wasnt from toronto NOBODY would bring him up because a.) he sucks b.) terrible contract. If we are taking on Wiggins we would need at least Kuminga added to swallow that contract. So the trade would look something like Brown and GTjr for Wiggins moody Kuminga and future 1st
Clearly u don't know basketball brown can't be bundled with other players
Regardless of the brown things he’s right about wiggins 😂 bad contract.. low motor.. only reasons dudes bring him up is cause he’s Canadian… which makes that a casual take tbh… wiggins is a negative asset lol you gotta pay me to take that 😂
The Raps are run by idiots. Masai has reduced the Raps to an expansion team. We are never going to see the Raps make it past the 1st round for the next 5 years.
What dumb comment to make. The moves he has made have been very well. And the raptors have done pretty well other then the last 2 seasons. I don't know what your watching but it isn't the same thing as everyone else. If you hate the raptors so much..here's a tip..dont watch them then
Are you watching tonite's game. Still feel like the moves are "very well" lol@@jordanmcmullen8454
how they finessing the nba raptors are horrible lol
They are rebuilding. It’s natural to not be amazing right away. It’s better than anything the wizards or pistons are doing.
@@og3945 Y'all keep pointing at the Wizards and Pistons while disregarding OKC, Sacramento and Minnesota who have rebuilt via the draft and timely trades where Masai was trading picks for Scrub centres, letting talent walk for nothing (FVV) and trying to push for pointless play ins.
This rebuild was a long time coming.
You lost me at wanting to trade Brown for Wiggins
no win for Toronto. Scottie has been abandoned
I honestly think that Rafael Araujo could be the face of the team. Once he drops the act of being brazilian 💀and accepts guidance from bronny sr he'll be KING
Masai has done nothing since champion, with the exception of drafting Barnes. Most of the decisions he made are awful. I have no idea how he still manage to keep his job. He literally run this org to ground.
You are wrong! OG and Pascal are proving that Masai and Bobby didn't OVERVALUE them
If youve ever simmed an entire 20yr GM mode and won multiple back to backs or threepeats. You always go younger.
Salary cap is a real thing. Most people tend to forget that...
Bench mob? Just look at how much FVV, Pascal and OG are all getting paid now.. nothing lasts forever folks. Thats the buisness, asset retention at all costs.
Wiggins to the Raps on the other hand doesnt make sense. Age, contract, and regression wise...
I think the Raps would need to receive draft compensation from the GSW for the extra 2 years of Wiggins contract (4 total, with a $30mil player option in 2026-2027) vs Bruce Browns 2 year contract, with a $23mil team option in 2024-2025...
If you actually read this comment. You understand the concept of the 'Moneyball' movie, analytics in general, some accounting, and are not some casual NBA fan.
You may not go 8 straight championships like Bill Russell did, but you'll definitely have a chance to win multiple in a row.
With that said, we have finally reached Lebron's twilight era of playoff dominance.. Imagine 10 years ago if anyone told you Denver, Milwaukee or Toronto would all win NBA championships... you'd laugh hysterically..
Especially if someone told you Marc Gasol, Jrue Holiday, and Aaron Gordon all got chips before Chris Paul, James Harden or Russell Westbrook or Damian Lillard..
Lol. Finessing by getting less value by trading too late and getting a core destined to mediocrity?
MASSIVE disrespect to Brunson. He is a superstar atp
He's impressive but no superstar
He 100 percent is a superstar and arguably the best point guard in the eastern conference atm@@PubertHoward
@@gman9748 but ARGUABLY no superstar
@gman9748 no Hali is better but probably 2nd or 3rd.
Knicks won the trade 💯
Not really but you can cope!!
Please lord stay away from wiggins… amen 🙏
i was ready to shut it down in first 30 seconds, definitely did not overvalue their players, in particular OG. his impact in New York is no surprise to this Raps fan.
Last 10 games Raptors 2-8
Hahahahahahahahahaa.
and if they keep losing games they get to keep their pick for this upcoming draft, don’t think this is the “gotcha” you think it is lol
@@csgoat968 draft pick RARELY develop into anything good.
@@thatsnice99 Scottie Barnes??? Not to mention Pascal, Freddy and the whole bench mob that the Raptors developed from second rounders and undrafted players to Championship pieces
@@csgoat968 you lost on the OG trade.
@@thatsnice99 RJ playing 100x better in Toronto than on the Knicks, never heard of a win/win trade before huh?
The Toronto Shitters will do it again! Copium
The only shitter here is you bro
Lol get off your knees hater
I mean they did it once lmao
Lool the hate is real… your probably a hornet fan 😂 move around…
@@Desnond least defensive raptors fan LOL
Overvalued 😂😂😂 .pascal .we shouldn't of let go and as for o.g. just look at NY record .the were undervalued if u ask me .
How have they finessed the NBA? The team is losing.
They’re tanking dude, they wanna keep their picks- not that it’s hard for them to tank