Thank you a lot for this precious lesson. I am learning piano but i love pipe organs and it is very interesting to see someone like you, a high level professional, teaching us the right way to study. Greetings from Brazil.
A really useful dose of a comforting & logical approach. You take the time to show how it is done. Thanks! The Master makes it look easier than it is for those of us in the foothills, but your patience is an encouragement.
Thank you so much for this lesson. Great to learn that even for confirmed players (such as you), a true method is necessary for these not so easy steps. Clear and efficient. I never knew how to start....
What a wonderful talent you have Fraser! I enjoy your videos very much. I'm not a musician; I wish I was. I love Bach's organ works most of all. While you make the dissection appear simple I see it is not.. I must send for your CD. Thanks for providing us this videos and your insight!
Thanks Fraser, this is the second of the 8 Little Preludes and Fugues I learned way back when, and it's always been a favorite. This video brought back very pleasant memories.
OMG!! I’ve been learning to play the organ now, for at least a year and a half, and this was my first piece!! Have to say, it’s not really my favorite, but still, a very good choice for beginners like myself. Fraser, here’s an idea: let’s start an organ club. Like a book club, a piece will be chosen by you; you go over the piece with us, and for those of us brave enough to do so, upload a little video of ourselves performing that very piece.!!😊Thank you for this video. This only proves there really isn’t a shortcut on how to approach learning a new piece. It takes hard work, determination and lots of perseverance!!🌺
See last week’s video - we’re working on an organ social media site for that very purpose! The Steady and Patreon supporters are already testing it out for me! It’ll hopefully be ready to to public in a few weeks. Watch this space!
Thank you Maestro. You deserve all the success and more to come. We Love you for your simplicity & the way you give to us all your knowledge with heart and naturalness. Not to forget that you plays in the Church and being a Christian, I can only admire it more. God Bless you & your Family. Renzo * The Italian guy.... :-)
This was the first piece by Bach that I ever learned and I definitely didn't go about learning it this way. I get impatient when I'm learning a piece and want to iron out the mistakes with out practicing my hands separately. I'm glad you're teaching future organists the proper way to learn a piece. Excellent job teaching by the way!
Bonjour. Nous serions très heureux, que vous fassiez une vidéo en français. C'est tellement passionnant votre présentation de l'orgue !!! En plus, vous êtes très sympathique et original. Merci . Très cordialement. Olivier
In the days before electric fans, Bach apparently never had a problem finding enough guys to pump the organ bellows, judging by the amount of music he composed for the organ. I have a conjecture why: Those guys were huge Bach fans and scholars from the far future who were able to travel back in time in order enjoy the music of and learn from The Master Himself.
I got an 88 key keyboard and Bach’s Anna Magdeleana book. I really am fascinated by the beauty of his harpsichord music however I am a complete beginner. I want to play Minuet in G minor but I do not know how or where to start learning all the music theory, rhythms, spacing, what G minor even is, and all the other piano jargon. I’d really appreciate a pointer or two. Thanks 🙏
My dear Fraser, how I wish my organ teacher had emphasized scale practice before diving into ANY piece! It really does prepare your hands and feet to then play in that key. Definitely feet first, then left hand, and lastly right hand - combining the various parts as you go. And yes, I am a lefty!
Wow, that was awesome. What a lesson on learning to learn the organ. Sweet thing to find on TH-cam. Foot, Left, Right is a great way for Bach. The fingering was different than I learned but the rest I wish I had been taught.
I have always understood that proper technique when playing Bach is: 1. Always keep your thumbs on the naturals. Sharps are for the fingers only. 2. Only play the pedals with your toes. Nobody used heels to play the organ in Bach’s day. All notes are supposed to be separated anyway, so this simply enforces separation between notes. I have found that it makes matters a bit easier when I follow these rules.
It all depends on the instrument you're playing and so on. There are a great many theories and practices concerning Bach et al. They change every generation or so. As long as the player and listener are happy, go with what fits! Karl Richter definitely wasn't a toes-only sort of guy, even on original instruments. For many he's still one of the great Gurus of Bach.
@@FraserGartshore Thank you for your response. I do understand about playing styles. I never cared much for Karl Richter’s style, but many others do, and as they say, there’s no accounting for taste!
Excellent - I did do a double-take when you said "easy" and "Bach" in the same sentence!! Never really thought of scales as getting into the mood for a piece - good advice which I will certainly adopt. Thanks Frasier
Thank you very much. I will carry this knowledge into my next organ lessons as i have found a really good teacher now. She's already helped me fully finish two Bach Prelude's, which i extremely appreciate since its helped soo much.
Ive just been learning this the last 2 months now (only been in lessons for 3 months) and i get so frustrated in the parts you didn't get over!!! Hahaha my teacher says this one song is such a huge milestone to learn. I still feel i need a couple more weeks until i can play it decently well and get passed off on it.
An excellent on-line organ lesson, Fraser. Many thanks indeed. Due to my bilateral hip arthritis I can no longer use a pedal board, so such pieces (yes, even the '8 short') are beyond me now, but nevertheless I thoroughly enjoyed listening to your insightful advice for meticulous preparation. I am sure many people will gain hugely from your wisdom, understanding and very approachable manner.
Hi Fraser, I always really enjoyed your videos and I also always really liked the organ. I started playing it about 4 months ago, with a 2 year self-taught piano experience, and this piece has just become the first "thing" I have ever somewhat poperly played on the organ. Thank you very much and I wish you the best!
I haven't got a musical note in my body and could never do this amazing thing. But i'm spellbound watching how you break it all down and put it back together producing amazing sounds. Thanks
Thank you so much for this video, I really love seeing practice sessions done by pros. As relatively beginner keyboardist (learning piano for about 3 years, but wanting to extend in to organ eventually), watching how someone who knows what they are doing practicing has helped my practice immensely. Every time I watch something like this I pick up a new little idea for making the practice more effective. Cheers!
Thankyou for this, it is very helpful. I haven't managed any Bach yet apart from a Chorded version of Jesu Joy... I can't afford an organ tutor so am always looking for tips on TH-cam. I can now play both hands with the correct fingers and the feet, just need to try and put them all together. Note to self, must practice scales.
Boy did that bring back memories from when I learned that piece. I wish my teacher explained it as well as you just did. Thanks Fraser for a great video!
Hi Fraser, this one totally brought back memories for me when I'd first started into the organ, back in 2004. I'm totally blind here, and I learn music totally by ear. Tried the whole Braille music thing, but found it slow, and tedious, and I could never read it very well. so resorted to learning stuff by ear. I've got a good ear for picking up stuff, and I like your way of going over the bit of this piece that you did. Brought back memories for me for sure. Thanks for this one, and take care, from Brantford, Ontario Canada.
Greetings As I have heard, the great Helmut Walcha used to learn that way too. And he recorded all he considered was bach organ works with no doubt. The short preludes and fugues were not in that recording because there are studies that doesnt consider bach authorship of that collection. But well Bach or not Bach, those are great for the learning process.
Oh yeah, music by ear and not by sheets... :-) It's now surely over 20 years ago, that I have the fortune to sit on an organbank. A few years ahead the organist gave me the oppotunity to learn and and play the organ at sundaymorning in the time before the service starts and no one is nearby :-) Left hand three-finger-chords, right hand melody by ear and hopefully no great amont of black keys. And than the pedals for the bassline. Not quite the "real" organ music, but for a few pieces of music enough. - Unfortunatly since these days I haven't learnd to read the musical notes. Thanks to Fraser, jetzt gibts bei Startnext auch die signierte CD ohne Noten. Ich looke forward für die hoffentlich bald kommende CD. - Obwohl, auf Schallplatte gepresst wäre es noch schöner :-) Ich habe mich mal durch Bachs komplettes Orgelwerk auf Vinyl gehört.
Good teaching technique. 👍 It's so essential that new music is learned in counted/rhythmic slow motion first, always with advanced/prepared hand positions. As mastery grows the correct speed will naturally evolve without being forced. GO SLOW TO GO FAST. By the way, who built the organ you're playing? Re a question asked below about legato and detached playing: generally, *patterned intervals* of thirds, sixths, etc. can be played at *half value,* while *linear sections* are played more *legato* - as Herr Gartshore demonstrated in this video. You'll notice violinists, cellists, oboe-players, etc. doing this very same thing in Baroque music interpretation. The organ is no different in this regard. It's essential to *listen to as many professional performances* as possible, by different artists. And, as all accomplished artists know, regardless of the their medium or instrument, *learn first by IMITATION.* Merci bien.
@@FraserGartshore Hello. At just before 3pm in Florida, we're at 88°F, windy (from tropical storm Humberto, way out in the Atlantic) and humid - definitely still summer. Enjoy your weekend.
Wow that was an absolutely superb video!! The way you explained and reasoned your fingering choice was utterly helpful. Also, quick sidenote: I started to learn the organ a few weeks ago and it was mostly due to your videos, that I got inspired and interested to learn this exciting instrument. THANK YOU!!
This is amazing. My "organ method" short of not having any real keyboard skills has been "Learn the 8 short preludes and fugues". This is extremely helpful in checking #4 off that list.
Fraser, your comments amused me when you made a small mistake. I was reminded of words of wisdom given to me many years ago by a professional musician, when I said, “I must get this right”. He explained, “An amateur practices till he gets it right. A professional practices till he doesn’t get it wrong,”. Sage words!
Thank you for this great lesson on a piece that has resided in my ears for almost 60 years. I’m currently taking advanced jazz piano lessons from a teacher who is barely older than my oldest grandson. I’m wondering about what you might think about two of his ironclad teaching techniques: 1) Always use a metronome and work out the fingerings at a very low speed, bringing it to tempo only when things are perfect. 2) If you make ANY kind of mistake, at least early on, stop and start over-playing through a mistake only reinforces your acceptance of mistakes. I’m not an organist (except for the B3), but I love your viewpoints. Hopefully, you might someday come to the US and play one of the Skinners here-or maybe the one exported to Germany a few years ago.
I´m a pro. drummer and i love this! Would love to get some lessons in reading this stuff. Rhytmically it´s the same, but somehow its still different! Great stuff.
Great way of teaching - I really like watching your videos. Although, the commercial block at the beginning is a little lengthy for my taste. And, although the topic has been touched before, I think it would have been worth mentioning that the chance that those eight pieces really were written by Bach is pretty low and for people who want to make sure to play a real Bach, I rather would recomment one of the simple pieces out of the "Orgelbuechlein". Nevertheless, those 8 pieces are great material for practising and I am pretty sure that they had been created (by whoever) exactly for this purpose.
I wish you had been my organ teacher when I was first starting out! I was never taught about registration in the beginning - I had to play with the stops that were drawn for me, with no explanation or rationale from my teacher
Very helpful, thank you, I'm getting back into the organ after a 10 year hiatus, the 8 klein P&Fs are really lovely pieces, working on this one with the Fugue and have played the g minor one, more to come as I get back into this...now to get Hauptwerk working on this organ console sitting in my living room...
Thank you so much! I almost repeat the previous comments! Have played piano many years, but have wanted a change! Printed this Prelude and found this video! The result: Inspired by the lesson,,,, agreed to buy a used tone wheel Hammond yesterday!
Thank you so much. Bach arioso will be played first. You made me happy ! I want to buy an instrument and learn further how to do what you show here. Tons of love from Finland, Helsinki. You gave me one more reason to go on.💖mother went to heaven, we most go on . It's hard, but... one moment at a time.
Man, still watching the video and I'm already exhausted! LOL There is no such thing as easy Bach! Prelude #1 in C major from the Well-tempered Clavier volume 1 is a trap! :-D I'm with my keyboard, at the same time, and I'm hitting the pause key on the video more than the keys on the keyboard! This is depressing... :-P But I do love some Bach, sigh... Oh, crux! Back to bar 1! :-P
You asked for a list of theatre organs in germany here it is (all Germany) Berlin 2/14 Phillipps other - Babylon Film Museum 2/14 Phillipps other (all Germany) Berlin 4/16 Style 250 Special Wurlitzer - National Institute for Music Research 4/16 Style 250 Special Wurlitzer (all Germany) Dortmund 2/4 composite Link - Federal Museum for Protection at Work 2/4 composite Link (all Germany) Düsseldorf 2/8 Welte - Kino Film Museum 2/8 Welte (all Germany) Frankfurt-on-Main 2/6 Style 165 X Wurlitzer - German Film Museum 2/6 Style 165 X Wurlitzer (all Germany) Hamburg 3/24 Welte - North German Broadcasting Corporation 3/24 Welte (all Germany) Heidelberg 2/19 Oskalyd other - Kings Hall Heidelberg Castle 2/19 Oskalyd other (all Germany) Leipzig 2/8 Welte - Grassi Museum 2/8 Welte (all Germany) Mannheim 2/8 Welte - County Museum for Technology and Labour 2/8 Welte (all Germany) Potsdam 2/10 Welte - Film Museum 2/10 Welte (all Germany) Weikersheim 3/11 Möller - Aug Laukhuff GmbH & Co. 3/11 Möller
OK, spotted some mistakes, they were minor and barely noticeable, not really worthy of the name (and only mentioned because you just asked for them, lol!)... These kind of videos are fascinating because they let us glimpse your creative process, which is something really unique and personal, and also rather rare (in the common mortals sense of the term, as most people are not creative in the arts, nothing insulting). I, for once, have learned a host of things so far in the past weeks and today (I only have to put them in practice, you know, from now on and forever... hehehe): from the scales video, I learned the 1,2, 3; 1, 2, 3, 4 fingering and it has done wonders in my playing, especially on the right hand (I'm ambidextrous but more right hand trained, as it were)... I was sincerely surprised when I found out how easy it made some things and how naturaly the hands progress over the keyboard! Now those jazz scales start to look less scary (just slide the thumb under and you are ready to go!) And now you have shown us again how to tackle a new music sheet (you did it more or less in another video, but not with such detail) and you have the patience to make it an extra point in correct fingering and all that stuff... I'd say this was an extremely valuable lecture!!! I wouldn't want you to do this all the time, we do love your improvs and all the other stuff we learn from you, when you visit other organs, and musical theory and mechanical stuff on the organs themselves, or classical church or organ music and just listening the performances is great... But this kind of added value... Top notch stuff, indeed! So, we should be able to double thumb up from time to time or something... :-)
Yes, I'd say what makes sense artistically but also factor in the ambience of the building where the organ is located. You'd be better of with registrations that can be carried evenly about in the building.
hello Fraser - what a gracious and well presented lesson! Thank you! I'm very interested to know more about the instrument you're playing - it appears that there are two rows of switches above each stop tab - how do these work - can you direct any stop to either manual? Is this a pipe instrument? Tracker? Who built it and when ? how many ranks? Is there a stop list available? Thank you!
@@FraserGartshore Thank you, Fraser - I've been through most of the videos and put together some answers from bits and pieces in them. I still have not found an explanation of how the two rows of switches above the stops work - I would love an explanation. I assume that the box of white buttons to the left may have to do with setting the pistons? Or would like to know what they do as well. You are consistently instructive and entertaining! - please keep it up ! It's completely refreshing to have your contemporary, lighthearted, yet high-quality approach to guiding many new / young / aspiring organists whom we might otherwise lose to some overly self-impressed and austere practitioners at large - ;-) I found the history of the instrument interesting - the present instrument seems to be versatile and well-voiced and suited to the room, which also has a substantial acoustic - I can foresee many suitable recordings forthcoming. I didn't find any reference to this instrument in the OHS data base - it would be nice to have an entry for this instrument there - pipeorgandatabase.org/ From the videos and a bit of research I have the following for starters: original instrument: builder: Johann Willhelm Schoeler , 1773 three manuals, 34 registers I see the following nameplates in the videos - but cannot make out the opus numbers or year: Carl Horn Peter Wagenbach The present stoplist from the videos I have so far is: Pedal: 1 Violonbass 16’ 2 Subbass 16’ 3 Dolcebass 16’ 4 Principal 8' 5 Posaune 16' 6 I - P 7 II - P Manual I 8 Bourdon 16’ 9 Principal 8’ 10 Gemshorn 8’ 11 Gamba 8' 12 Hohlflote 8' 13 Quintaton 8' 14 Octave 4’ 15 Rohrflote 4’ 16 Waldflote 2’ 17 Mixture 3-4f. 18 Trompette 8' 19 II - I 20 Super II - I 21 Super I Manual II 22 Geigenprincipal 8' 23 Gedeckt 8' 24 Flauto-amabile 8′' 25 Dolce 8’ 26 Salicional 8' 27 Vox-coeleste 8’ 28 Aeoline 8’ 29 Flauto-traverso 4’ 30 Harmonia-athera 3f. 31 Franz Oboe 8’ 32 Tremolo There seem to be a few other capabilities as well - I love that the "out-of-tune" reeds can be shut off!)
The most obvious mistake was helpfully advertised by your short slightly disappointed grin. Which you might get away with as an organist being high up at the back of the church. I started playing the piano publicly first and got quite a few comments on showing my mistakes so vividly. Had to learn to keep a straight face.😂 My pianoface as my wife calls it!
It’s still debatable if these pieces were actually written by Bach, not sure about the latest findings but they are thought to be written by his student Krebs. ;) still nice piecesthough, who didn’t start with them when leaning the pedal :)
Relative newcomer to you and your channel. I enjoyed this and it reminded me of my encounters with a new piece of music and learning it - on piano and keyboards ! - sorry. But did learn a few toccata and fugues by Bach. Always regret turning away from an opportunity to learn 'proper church type' organ when I was a lot younger. Ah well ! Have enjoyed your videos immensely.
I like your explanations very well. Trank you for giving interessed people at least an insight how to learn a piece of music. Probably, I‘ll start to learn organ in reality which was not feasible for me yet. This video helps a lot for that. Trank you again for that!
Hello Fraser, what registration would you recommend for this piece? I've tried to search various sources and have listened to many recordings, some say to only use a principal chorus, others have mixtures, fractionals, flutes, strings, and reeds added...I tried to pause the video and look at your registration but couldn't see all of the stops clearly. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you (I've been learning German for 6 years so I actually watched your German video of this piece and understood 98% of it 😄)
Registration is a personal thing based on taste, style, instrument at hand and experience. There are no hard and fast rules. Purists will say otherwise, but who's listening to them anyway?! If it sounds good to you, go for it!
Hi Fraser - I'm not a keyboard player at all... Although I tried it when I was 12 & 13 it just wasn't my thing. Bagpipes however ... I've been playing them for 30 years. Your videos take me back to my childhood with my parents playing Bach organ & violin and give so much pleasure to even those of us who aren't organ players. At the end of the lesson you changed the registration from 'learning' settings to enable you to hear the three voices to what I'd call the 'full Monty's settings to play.... and then you switched between manuals as you played. How do you decide when to play which bits on which keyboard? Does the manuscript give you clues or do just decide what might sound nice and give it a try? Bagpipes are so much easier there's only 9 notes... 😄
You pull different stops for each manual, so each produce a different sound. You then use which ever manual whose sound you want at the time. I’m not an organist, but as I understand it, it’s more or less a matter of personal taste, the size and acoustics of the room, and the general mood of the piece, and the only things you might get from the sheet music are the dynamics (forte, piano, etc.).
This video clearly shows that the organ is not for the impatient or undisciplined---unless you are a prodigy, that is. You can't just pick it up like a guitar, learn twelve or so basic chords and a few scales and deceive yourself that you are now a "musician". I play the guitar and electric bass and could (at one time) acquit myself fairly well at an intermediate level on the clarinet and saxophone, so I am not speaking in total ignorance on this subject of striving for some level of proficiency and maintaining dedication to one's instrument. The organ is the ultimate Iron Mistress. She is demanding and unforgiving. You had better come with your "A Game" and MAYBE she will reward you for all of your labor--IF she isn't cranky and/or out of tune on a given day. The Mt. Everest of all musical instruments.......and I love her for it. Do you like to work? Do you like to take pride in the fruits of hard labor? Then she is your girl!
The key of all keyboard instruments is about what happens in the forearms, the 2 bones you have there. Otherwise you can practicing a whole life without making some progress. So, "practicing" is dangerous because it's so easy to get it wrong.
That was way above my pay grade unfortunately but I’m sure folks who can play or are learning will really enjoy the tutorial. I only learned to play the right hand of “Chopsticks” and not very well at that.😳🤔
Fraser im interested to know about different sounds from different builders, here in england obviously most famously father willis of course, but over on europe you have many famous organ builders,schnicker(sp), knoll, cavaille coll and so on, but currently have stumbled on some videos on you tube from flentrop, the sound i hear coming from them is amazing, wandered whether you have oppotunities to play instruments from different builders and which ones you enjoy :))
Hi Gordon - that would also be ok, just make sure you make it clear in the transaction description that you’re preordering a cd (or set of goodies, as found on the startnext project page!) PayPal link is in the video description. Thanks for supporting!
It trains your fingers to play smoothly. It also trains your ears to hear all of the parts. These basics are fundamental to "muscle memory" in both hands & feet. Once you learn these foundational movements the more complex music is easier to master.
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I wish people would stop calling these pieces "Bach's" 8 Short Preludes and Fugues. They are obviously not composed by Bach.
@@hiera1917 Are you asking me to prove a negative? Sorry, but the burden of proof is on those who make the outrageous claim that these Short Preludes and Fugues are compositions by Bach. And there is no such proof (of course). To illustrate how absurd your demand for proof of a negative is, consider the fact that you cannot prove that Bach did not write Für Elise, a century before Beethoven, yet if I called it "Bach's Für Elise", you'd probably be tempted to point out the nonsense.
Krešimir Cindrić That’s not how it works. That Bach composed these pieces is the currently accepted fact. You have to show what makes you think they were not written by Bach. I’m no expert on the topic, but I’m assuming whoever put them in the catalogue of Bach’s works had some reason to believe that they were by Bach, and didn’t just do it on a whim, even if that reason is just because someone told them. You have brought no evidence or arguments to the contrary, so even the scanty evidence that may exist in favor of the accepted truth is better than the utter lack of evidence you’ve brought against it.
Actually, the "currently accepted fact" (as if acceptance determines veracity), which has been accepted for the last 100 or so years, is that Bach is not the author of these pieces. The fact there are still people who think these pieces are by Bach, contrary to common sense, just tells you how silly myths like that refuse to die. Which was my point to begin with.
I thought these "easy" short Bach Preludes and Fugues were written by Krebs, his best organ student; or, is it heresy to not to think of anybody but J.S. Bach when playing these pieces?
for Mr. Gartshore: I haven't watched the entire video yet, but what you said about scales and learning the 'finger placement' for the notes of the Prelude and Fugue led me to think that perhaps a specific scale exercise tailored to the piece might help a student learn the piece faster. After all, all keyboard music could be considered as, or at least interpreted as a derivative of some scale, major or minor, harmonic or modal.
WHO said these were written by Krebs? Is there any evidence proving these were not written by Bach? Is it possible that Bach wrote these pieces for students? Or maybe for a different instrument? Speculation abounds, but oh so little proof!
@@gianlucabersanetti6454 In other words, it’s just speculation on the authorship of these pieces, with no actual proof of anything. And somehow, in spite of these being so _forgettable,_ they keep popping up all over. Rather popular for as bad as you say they are.
Thank you a lot for this precious lesson. I am learning piano but i love pipe organs and it is very interesting to see someone like you, a high level professional, teaching us the right way to study. Greetings from Brazil.
The best lesson i have seen and i have been studing organ for several years...Thank you
A really useful dose of a comforting & logical approach. You take the time to show how it is done. Thanks! The Master makes it look easier than it is for those of us in the foothills, but your patience is an encouragement.
This Prelude in F was one of the first pieces I learned as an Organ student!
Thank you so much for this lesson. Great to learn that even for confirmed players (such as you), a true method is necessary for these not so easy steps. Clear and efficient. I never knew how to start....
What a wonderful talent you have Fraser! I enjoy your videos very much. I'm not a musician; I wish I was. I love Bach's organ works most of all. While you make the dissection appear simple I see it is not.. I must send for your CD. Thanks for providing us this videos and your insight!
Thanks Fraser, this is the second of the 8 Little Preludes and Fugues I learned way back when, and it's always been a favorite. This video brought back very pleasant memories.
OMG!! I’ve been learning to play the organ now, for at least a year and a half, and this was my first piece!! Have to say, it’s not really my favorite, but still, a very good choice for beginners like myself. Fraser, here’s an idea: let’s start an organ club. Like a book club, a piece will be chosen by you; you go over the piece with us, and for those of us brave enough to do so, upload a little video of ourselves performing that very piece.!!😊Thank you for this video. This only proves there really isn’t a shortcut on how to approach learning a new piece. It takes hard work, determination and lots of perseverance!!🌺
See last week’s video - we’re working on an organ social media site for that very purpose! The Steady and Patreon supporters are already testing it out for me! It’ll hopefully be ready to to public in a few weeks. Watch this space!
Thank you Maestro. You deserve all the success and more to come. We Love you for your simplicity & the way you give to us all your knowledge with heart and naturalness. Not to forget that you plays in the Church and being a Christian, I can only admire it more. God Bless you & your Family.
Renzo *
The Italian guy.... :-)
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Well, that was one of the most instructive videos I have seen - thank you!
This was the first piece by Bach that I ever learned and I definitely didn't go about learning it this way. I get impatient when I'm learning a piece and want to iron out the mistakes with out practicing my hands separately. I'm glad you're teaching future organists the proper way to learn a piece. Excellent job teaching by the way!
This is a blast from the past - it's the first piece I learnt when I started learning the organ back in 1979.
Bonjour. Nous serions très heureux, que vous fassiez une vidéo en français. C'est tellement passionnant votre présentation de l'orgue !!! En plus, vous êtes très sympathique et original. Merci . Très cordialement. Olivier
In the days before electric fans, Bach apparently never had a problem finding enough guys to pump the organ bellows, judging by the amount of music he composed for the organ. I have a conjecture why: Those guys were huge Bach fans and scholars from the far future who were able to travel back in time in order enjoy the music of and learn from The Master Himself.
As someone who dives straight into a piece & then rarely perfects it, I've just had a very salutary lesson - thank you :)
I got an 88 key keyboard and Bach’s Anna Magdeleana book. I really am fascinated by the beauty of his harpsichord music however I am a complete beginner. I want to play Minuet in G minor but I do not know how or where to start learning all the music theory, rhythms, spacing, what G minor even is, and all the other piano jargon. I’d really appreciate a pointer or two. Thanks 🙏
My dear Fraser, how I wish my organ teacher had emphasized scale practice before diving into ANY piece! It really does prepare your hands and feet to then play in that key. Definitely feet first, then left hand, and lastly right hand - combining the various parts as you go. And yes, I am a lefty!
I really enjoy these older "lesson" videos.
Plenty more planned!
bought back happy memories of my late father learning this piece.. again, at our village church at midnight,to be played on the Sunday morning mass
Wow, that was awesome. What a lesson on learning to learn the organ. Sweet thing to find on TH-cam. Foot, Left, Right is a great way for Bach. The fingering was different than I learned but the rest I wish I had been taught.
I have always understood that proper technique when playing Bach is:
1. Always keep your thumbs on the naturals. Sharps are for the fingers only.
2. Only play the pedals with your toes. Nobody used heels to play the organ in Bach’s day. All notes are supposed to be separated anyway, so this simply enforces separation between notes.
I have found that it makes matters a bit easier when I follow these rules.
It all depends on the instrument you're playing and so on. There are a great many theories and practices concerning Bach et al. They change every generation or so. As long as the player and listener are happy, go with what fits! Karl Richter definitely wasn't a toes-only sort of guy, even on original instruments. For many he's still one of the great Gurus of Bach.
@@FraserGartshore Thank you for your response. I do understand about playing styles. I never cared much for Karl Richter’s style, but many others do, and as they say, there’s no accounting for taste!
Excellent - I did do a double-take when you said "easy" and "Bach" in the same sentence!! Never really thought of scales as getting into the mood for a piece - good advice which I will certainly adopt. Thanks Frasier
Thank you very much. I will carry this knowledge into my next organ lessons as i have found a really good teacher now. She's already helped me fully finish two Bach Prelude's, which i extremely appreciate since its helped soo much.
Ive just been learning this the last 2 months now (only been in lessons for 3 months) and i get so frustrated in the parts you didn't get over!!! Hahaha my teacher says this one song is such a huge milestone to learn. I still feel i need a couple more weeks until i can play it decently well and get passed off on it.
An excellent on-line organ lesson, Fraser. Many thanks indeed. Due to my bilateral hip arthritis I can no longer use a pedal board, so such pieces (yes, even the '8 short') are beyond me now, but nevertheless I thoroughly enjoyed listening to your insightful advice for meticulous preparation. I am sure many people will gain hugely from your wisdom, understanding and very approachable manner.
Hi Fraser, I always really enjoyed your videos and I also always really liked the organ. I started playing it about 4 months ago, with a 2 year self-taught piano experience, and this piece has just become the first "thing" I have ever somewhat poperly played on the organ. Thank you very much and I wish you the best!
I haven't got a musical note in my body and could never do this amazing thing. But i'm spellbound watching how you break it all down and put it back together producing amazing sounds. Thanks
Thank you so much for this video, I really love seeing practice sessions done by pros. As relatively beginner keyboardist (learning piano for about 3 years, but wanting to extend in to organ eventually), watching how someone who knows what they are doing practicing has helped my practice immensely. Every time I watch something like this I pick up a new little idea for making the practice more effective. Cheers!
Thankyou for this, it is very helpful. I haven't managed any Bach yet apart from a Chorded version of Jesu Joy... I can't afford an organ tutor so am always looking for tips on TH-cam. I can now play both hands with the correct fingers and the feet, just need to try and put them all together. Note to self, must practice scales.
Greatly enjoyed this recording! It's fantastic to have this playing advice online and to be able to see it being applied!
Boy did that bring back memories from when I learned that piece. I wish my teacher explained it as well as you just did. Thanks Fraser for a great video!
Hi Fraser, this one totally brought back memories for me when I'd first started into the organ, back in 2004. I'm totally blind here, and I learn music totally by ear. Tried the whole Braille music thing, but found it slow, and tedious, and I could never read it very well. so resorted to learning stuff by ear. I've got a good ear for picking up stuff, and I like your way of going over the bit of this piece that you did. Brought back memories for me for sure. Thanks for this one, and take care, from Brantford, Ontario Canada.
Greetings
As I have heard, the great Helmut Walcha used to learn that way too.
And he recorded all he considered was bach organ works with no doubt. The short preludes and fugues were not in that recording because there are studies that doesnt consider bach authorship of that collection.
But well Bach or not Bach, those are great for the learning process.
Oh yeah, music by ear and not by sheets... :-) It's now surely over 20 years ago, that I have the fortune to sit on an organbank. A few years ahead the organist gave me the oppotunity to learn and and play the organ at sundaymorning in the time before the service starts and no one is nearby :-) Left hand three-finger-chords, right hand melody by ear and hopefully no great amont of black keys. And than the pedals for the bassline. Not quite the "real" organ music, but for a few pieces of music enough. - Unfortunatly since these days I haven't learnd to read the musical notes.
Thanks to Fraser, jetzt gibts bei Startnext auch die signierte CD ohne Noten. Ich looke forward für die hoffentlich bald kommende CD. - Obwohl, auf Schallplatte gepresst wäre es noch schöner :-) Ich habe mich mal durch Bachs komplettes Orgelwerk auf Vinyl gehört.
Good teaching technique. 👍
It's so essential that new music is learned in counted/rhythmic slow motion first, always with advanced/prepared hand positions. As mastery grows the correct speed will naturally evolve without being forced. GO SLOW TO GO FAST.
By the way, who built the organ you're playing?
Re a question asked below about legato and detached playing: generally, *patterned intervals* of thirds, sixths, etc. can be played at *half value,* while *linear sections* are played more *legato* - as Herr Gartshore demonstrated in this video. You'll notice violinists, cellists, oboe-players, etc. doing this very same thing in Baroque music interpretation. The organ is no different in this regard.
It's essential to *listen to as many professional performances* as possible, by different artists. And, as all accomplished artists know, regardless of the their medium or instrument, *learn first by IMITATION.*
Merci bien.
Thanks Bob! Good tips there for everyone! How’s the weather in Florida?
@@FraserGartshore Hello. At just before 3pm in Florida, we're at 88°F, windy (from tropical storm Humberto, way out in the Atlantic) and humid - definitely still summer. Enjoy your weekend.
Wow that was an absolutely superb video!! The way you explained and reasoned your fingering choice was utterly helpful. Also, quick sidenote: I started to learn the organ a few weeks ago and it was mostly due to your videos, that I got inspired and interested to learn this exciting instrument. THANK YOU!!
Thank you! Good luck to you - it is an exciting instrument to learn!
This is amazing. My "organ method" short of not having any real keyboard skills has been "Learn the 8 short preludes and fugues". This is extremely helpful in checking #4 off that list.
Fraser, your comments amused me when you made a small mistake. I was reminded of words of wisdom given to me many years ago by a professional musician, when I said, “I must get this right”. He explained, “An amateur practices till he gets it right. A professional practices till he doesn’t get it wrong,”. Sage words!
Thank you for this great lesson on a piece that has resided in my ears for almost 60 years. I’m currently taking advanced jazz piano lessons from a teacher who is barely older than my oldest grandson. I’m wondering about what you might think about two of his ironclad teaching techniques: 1) Always use a metronome and work out the fingerings at a very low speed, bringing it to tempo only when things are perfect. 2) If you make ANY kind of mistake, at least early on, stop and start over-playing through a mistake only reinforces your acceptance of mistakes.
I’m not an organist (except for the B3), but I love your viewpoints. Hopefully, you might someday come to the US and play one of the Skinners here-or maybe the one exported to Germany a few years ago.
When I started learning the electronic organ (back in the 80's) the first piece of Bach that I learnt was BWV 556 :-D Nice to see it again!
If you could do a video on one of the short fugues that would be extremely helpful. I have found breaking into fugues to be intimidating at best.
I´m a pro. drummer and i love this! Would love to get some lessons in reading this stuff. Rhytmically it´s the same, but somehow its still different! Great stuff.
Thank you so much. This was one of my first pieces to learn when i was taking lessons. Im going to get it back out and try it again.
My goodness I am so enjoying your work !!!
Haha 8:30 Fraser is starting to mix the good part with schöne teil.That is what living in Germany does to a brit for so long haha
Great way of teaching - I really like watching your videos. Although, the commercial block at the beginning is a little lengthy for my taste.
And, although the topic has been touched before, I think it would have been worth mentioning that the chance that those eight pieces really were written by Bach is pretty low and for people who want to make sure to play a real Bach, I rather would recomment one of the simple pieces out of the "Orgelbuechlein". Nevertheless, those 8 pieces are great material for practising and I am pretty sure that they had been created (by whoever) exactly for this purpose.
Very well explained. I even learnt something today even though I can not play the organ.
"It worked!" at about ten seconds after 24:12 - made me smile broadly! :)
This was very enjoyable and informative to watch, thank you. I had the tune in my head for hours after!!
Omg, thank you so very much. I'm actually a very beginner organist so this is just wonderful!
I wish you had been my organ teacher when I was first starting out! I was never taught about registration in the beginning - I had to play with the stops that were drawn for me, with no explanation or rationale from my teacher
Very helpful, thank you, I'm getting back into the organ after a 10 year hiatus, the 8 klein P&Fs are really lovely pieces, working on this one with the Fugue and have played the g minor one, more to come as I get back into this...now to get Hauptwerk working on this organ console sitting in my living room...
Thank you so much! I almost repeat the previous comments! Have played piano many years, but have wanted a change! Printed this Prelude and found this video! The result: Inspired by the lesson,,,, agreed to buy a used tone wheel Hammond yesterday!
Go for it!!
Thank you Fraser, another fantastic inspirational video. Really looking forward to getting my (your) new CD :-)
Excellent lesson. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Bach arioso will be played first. You made me happy ! I want to buy an instrument and learn further how to do what you show here. Tons of love from Finland, Helsinki. You gave me one more reason to go on.💖mother went to heaven, we most go on . It's hard, but... one moment at a time.
Bach rules. Congrats for the Startnext project, can't wait for my CD! :-D Yeah!
Man, still watching the video and I'm already exhausted! LOL There is no such thing as easy Bach! Prelude #1 in C major from the Well-tempered Clavier volume 1 is a trap! :-D I'm with my keyboard, at the same time, and I'm hitting the pause key on the video more than the keys on the keyboard! This is depressing... :-P But I do love some Bach, sigh... Oh, crux! Back to bar 1! :-P
You asked for a list of theatre organs in germany here it is
(all Germany) Berlin 2/14 Phillipps other - Babylon Film Museum 2/14 Phillipps other
(all Germany) Berlin 4/16 Style 250 Special Wurlitzer - National Institute for Music Research 4/16 Style 250 Special Wurlitzer
(all Germany) Dortmund 2/4 composite Link - Federal Museum for Protection at Work 2/4 composite Link
(all Germany) Düsseldorf 2/8 Welte - Kino Film Museum 2/8 Welte
(all Germany) Frankfurt-on-Main 2/6 Style 165 X Wurlitzer - German Film Museum 2/6 Style 165 X Wurlitzer
(all Germany) Hamburg 3/24 Welte - North German Broadcasting Corporation 3/24 Welte
(all Germany) Heidelberg 2/19 Oskalyd other - Kings Hall Heidelberg Castle 2/19 Oskalyd other
(all Germany) Leipzig 2/8 Welte - Grassi Museum 2/8 Welte
(all Germany) Mannheim 2/8 Welte - County Museum for Technology and Labour 2/8 Welte
(all Germany) Potsdam 2/10 Welte - Film Museum 2/10 Welte
(all Germany) Weikersheim 3/11 Möller - Aug Laukhuff GmbH & Co. 3/11 Möller
learned a lot today.. nice video
I see we have an unconventional left handed organist here! No wonder Fraser is so good at left handed rythem. Cheers!
OK, spotted some mistakes, they were minor and barely noticeable, not really worthy of the name (and only mentioned because you just asked for them, lol!)... These kind of videos are fascinating because they let us glimpse your creative process, which is something really unique and personal, and also rather rare (in the common mortals sense of the term, as most people are not creative in the arts, nothing insulting). I, for once, have learned a host of things so far in the past weeks and today (I only have to put them in practice, you know, from now on and forever... hehehe): from the scales video, I learned the 1,2, 3; 1, 2, 3, 4 fingering and it has done wonders in my playing, especially on the right hand (I'm ambidextrous but more right hand trained, as it were)... I was sincerely surprised when I found out how easy it made some things and how naturaly the hands progress over the keyboard! Now those jazz scales start to look less scary (just slide the thumb under and you are ready to go!) And now you have shown us again how to tackle a new music sheet (you did it more or less in another video, but not with such detail) and you have the patience to make it an extra point in correct fingering and all that stuff... I'd say this was an extremely valuable lecture!!! I wouldn't want you to do this all the time, we do love your improvs and all the other stuff we learn from you, when you visit other organs, and musical theory and mechanical stuff on the organs themselves, or classical church or organ music and just listening the performances is great... But this kind of added value... Top notch stuff, indeed! So, we should be able to double thumb up from time to time or something... :-)
Great video, ok I got it... Toccata & Fugue in D minor for me is going to require a lifetime commitment (in terms of time) ... hahahahah
I love that song and, I too, realized it's more of a life goal than a weekend TH-cam grind! 😂😂😂 Amazing!
I learned the toccata from the toccata and fugue in about a year
But the fugue is still pretty hard
@@jnmusic9969 it’s really not horribly difficult. just allot 2-3 hours each time you go to practice it. take it really slow!
if only I had an organ to practice on
Bart Hiddema i have one for sale
How do you decide on registration? Is there “standard” registration for certain pieces or do you just go by what makes sense to you artistically?
Karl Gutwin yeah I would love a video on how to choose a registration.
@@JimCullen Yes please Fraser!
Yes, I'd say what makes sense artistically but also factor in the ambience of the building where the organ is located. You'd be better of with registrations that can be carried evenly about in the building.
Thank you for this lesson; "it takes time" .
Greenland.
hello Fraser - what a gracious and well presented lesson! Thank you!
I'm very interested to know more about the instrument you're playing - it appears that there are two rows of switches above each stop tab - how do these work - can you direct any stop to either manual? Is this a pipe instrument? Tracker? Who built it and when ? how many ranks? Is there a stop list available?
Thank you!
Thank you too! Check out earlier videos on the channel - I go through the organ and its capabilities in a few of them!
@@FraserGartshore Thank you, Fraser - I've been through most of the videos and put together some answers from bits and pieces in them. I still have not found an explanation of how the two rows of switches above the stops work - I would love an explanation. I assume that the box of white buttons to the left may have to do with setting the pistons? Or would like to know what they do as well.
You are consistently instructive and entertaining! - please keep it up ! It's completely refreshing to have your contemporary, lighthearted, yet high-quality approach to guiding many new / young / aspiring organists whom we might otherwise lose to some overly self-impressed and austere practitioners at large - ;-)
I found the history of the instrument interesting - the present instrument seems to be versatile and well-voiced and suited to the room, which also has a substantial acoustic - I can foresee many suitable recordings forthcoming.
I didn't find any reference to this instrument in the OHS data base - it would be nice to have an entry for this instrument there - pipeorgandatabase.org/
From the videos and a bit of research I have the following for starters:
original instrument:
builder: Johann Willhelm Schoeler
, 1773
three manuals, 34 registers
I see the following nameplates in the videos - but cannot make out the opus numbers or year:
Carl Horn
Peter Wagenbach
The present stoplist from the videos I have so far is:
Pedal:
1 Violonbass 16’
2 Subbass 16’
3 Dolcebass 16’
4 Principal 8'
5 Posaune 16'
6 I - P
7 II - P
Manual I
8 Bourdon 16’
9 Principal 8’
10 Gemshorn 8’
11 Gamba 8'
12 Hohlflote 8'
13 Quintaton 8'
14 Octave 4’
15 Rohrflote 4’
16 Waldflote 2’
17 Mixture 3-4f.
18 Trompette 8'
19 II - I
20 Super II - I
21 Super I
Manual II
22 Geigenprincipal 8'
23 Gedeckt 8'
24 Flauto-amabile 8′'
25 Dolce 8’
26 Salicional 8'
27 Vox-coeleste 8’
28 Aeoline 8’
29 Flauto-traverso 4’
30 Harmonia-athera 3f.
31 Franz Oboe 8’
32 Tremolo
There seem to be a few other capabilities as well - I love that the "out-of-tune" reeds can be shut off!)
Thank you sir. It was a good pice of music and very informative.
The most obvious mistake was helpfully advertised by your short slightly disappointed grin. Which you might get away with as an organist being high up at the back of the church. I started playing the piano publicly first and got quite a few comments on showing my mistakes so vividly. Had to learn to keep a straight face.😂 My pianoface as my wife calls it!
Are there any other EASY piano/organ pieces but without pedal?
Verso in e minor by Domenico Zipoli. Thats the very first organ work I learned, aside from exercises. It’s strictly manuals.
"Good afternoon, we're Bach at the organ..."
It’s still debatable if these pieces were actually written by Bach, not sure about the latest findings but they are thought to be written by his student Krebs. ;) still nice piecesthough, who didn’t start with them when leaning the pedal :)
Relative newcomer to you and your channel. I enjoyed this and it reminded me of my encounters with a new piece of music and learning it - on piano and keyboards ! - sorry. But did learn a few toccata and fugues by Bach. Always regret turning away from an opportunity to learn 'proper church type' organ when I was a lot younger. Ah well ! Have enjoyed your videos immensely.
I like your explanations very well. Trank you for giving interessed people at least an insight how to learn a piece of music. Probably, I‘ll start to learn organ in reality which was not feasible for me yet. This video helps a lot for that. Trank you again for that!
Hello Fraser, what registration would you recommend for this piece? I've tried to search various sources and have listened to many recordings, some say to only use a principal chorus, others have mixtures, fractionals, flutes, strings, and reeds added...I tried to pause the video and look at your registration but couldn't see all of the stops clearly. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you
(I've been learning German for 6 years so I actually watched your German video of this piece and understood 98% of it 😄)
Registration is a personal thing based on taste, style, instrument at hand and experience. There are no hard and fast rules. Purists will say otherwise, but who's listening to them anyway?! If it sounds good to you, go for it!
CD ordered------- Do Come back to Scotland sometime !!!!
Can you make a video to explain the pedal technique for beginners? Thanks you.
Check out my old videos - th-cam.com/video/euh9KlYiSSk/w-d-xo.html
@@FraserGartshore Thanks you maestro!
That was one of my first ones!
Hi Fraser - I'm not a keyboard player at all... Although I tried it when I was 12 & 13 it just wasn't my thing. Bagpipes however ... I've been playing them for 30 years.
Your videos take me back to my childhood with my parents playing Bach organ & violin and give so much pleasure to even those of us who aren't organ players.
At the end of the lesson you changed the registration from 'learning' settings to enable you to hear the three voices to what I'd call the 'full Monty's settings to play.... and then you switched between manuals as you played.
How do you decide when to play which bits on which keyboard? Does the manuscript give you clues or do just decide what might sound nice and give it a try? Bagpipes are so much easier there's only 9 notes... 😄
Quick question - how long do you deem that a person never touching a bagpipe will be able to learn it? Also which piece do you like most?
You pull different stops for each manual, so each produce a different sound. You then use which ever manual whose sound you want at the time. I’m not an organist, but as I understand it, it’s more or less a matter of personal taste, the size and acoustics of the room, and the general mood of the piece, and the only things you might get from the sheet music are the dynamics (forte, piano, etc.).
I always wished I had learned bagpipes instead of piano.
Very technical but enjoyable Fraser as always. The debate about did ir did Bach right this piece I think will go on and one. I hope your both well?
Wonderful lesson! Where do I find the sheet music for this praeludium?
IMLSP -> imslp.org/wiki/8_Kleine_Pr%C3%A4ludien_und_Fugen,_BWV_553-560_(Bach,_Johann_Sebastian)
This video clearly shows that the organ is not for the impatient or undisciplined---unless you are a prodigy, that is. You can't just pick it up like a guitar, learn twelve or so basic chords and a few scales and deceive yourself that you are now a "musician". I play the guitar and electric bass and could (at one time) acquit myself fairly well at an intermediate level on the clarinet and saxophone, so I am not speaking in total ignorance on this subject of striving for some level of proficiency and maintaining dedication to one's instrument. The organ is the ultimate Iron Mistress. She is demanding and unforgiving. You had better come with your "A Game" and MAYBE she will reward you for all of your labor--IF she isn't cranky and/or out of tune on a given day. The Mt. Everest of all musical instruments.......and I love her for it. Do you like to work? Do you like to take pride in the fruits of hard labor? Then she is your girl!
The key of all keyboard instruments is about what happens in the forearms, the 2 bones you have there. Otherwise you can practicing a whole life without making some progress. So, "practicing" is dangerous because it's so easy to get it wrong.
That was way above my pay grade unfortunately but I’m sure folks who can play or are learning will really enjoy the tutorial. I only learned to play the right hand of “Chopsticks” and not very well at that.😳🤔
thank you so so so much!!!!
I thought you were going to whip out some, ´´Prelude in C.´´ This was better. What a master.
Amazing !
Fraser im interested to know about different sounds from different builders, here in england obviously most famously father willis of course, but over on europe you have many famous organ builders,schnicker(sp), knoll, cavaille coll and so on, but currently have stumbled on some videos on you tube from flentrop, the sound i hear coming from them is amazing, wandered whether you have oppotunities to play instruments from different builders and which ones you enjoy :))
How is the Scotsman, handling married life ?
Greetings from Ireland
What do all of the extra switches do on that organ console?
They allow for different registrations of stops.
What registration would you suggest using for this piece for performance?
It's all a matter of taste! It will depend on the organ in question, the room it speaks in and the situation... There are no rules for registration!
Many thanks!!!
Molto interessante. Spero in altri video didattici. Grazie.
Grazie!
What type of music will be on the CD?
If you watch his last video he goes into it quite a bit. Mostly his jazzy improvisations and that sort of thing.
Regretably I find the crowd funding page confusing since only parts are in English Could one by paypal order one thankyou
Hi Gordon - that would also be ok, just make sure you make it clear in the transaction description that you’re preordering a cd (or set of goodies, as found on the startnext project page!) PayPal link is in the video description. Thanks for supporting!
Order received and reserved! Thanks Gordon!
Red socks? Terry Miles approves!!
Funky rhythm 28:38, the third and fourth bars from that timestamp
There, mistake spotted 😁
"Easy Bach" is an oxymoron.
Who would want to play Bachhumbug?
It trains your fingers to play smoothly. It also trains your ears to hear all of the parts. These basics are fundamental to "muscle memory" in both hands & feet. Once you learn these foundational movements the more complex music is easier to master.
I wish people would stop calling these pieces "Bach's" 8 Short Preludes and Fugues. They are obviously not composed by Bach.
Krešimir Cindrić can you prove that? 🙄
@@hiera1917 Are you asking me to prove a negative? Sorry, but the burden of proof is on those who make the outrageous claim that these Short Preludes and Fugues are compositions by Bach. And there is no such proof (of course).
To illustrate how absurd your demand for proof of a negative is, consider the fact that you cannot prove that Bach did not write Für Elise, a century before Beethoven, yet if I called it "Bach's Für Elise", you'd probably be tempted to point out the nonsense.
Krešimir Cindrić That’s not how it works. That Bach composed these pieces is the currently accepted fact. You have to show what makes you think they were not written by Bach. I’m no expert on the topic, but I’m assuming whoever put them in the catalogue of Bach’s works had some reason to believe that they were by Bach, and didn’t just do it on a whim, even if that reason is just because someone told them. You have brought no evidence or arguments to the contrary, so even the scanty evidence that may exist in favor of the accepted truth is better than the utter lack of evidence you’ve brought against it.
Tbop3 Source?
Actually, the "currently accepted fact" (as if acceptance determines veracity), which has been accepted for the last 100 or so years, is that Bach is not the author of these pieces. The fact there are still people who think these pieces are by Bach, contrary to common sense, just tells you how silly myths like that refuse to die. Which was my point to begin with.
I thought these "easy" short Bach Preludes and Fugues were written by Krebs, his best organ student; or, is it heresy to not to think of anybody but J.S. Bach when playing these pieces?
Not completely known. Some say Bach in fact wrote it but for pedal harpsichord.
for Mr. Gartshore: I haven't watched the entire video yet, but what you said about scales and learning the 'finger placement' for the notes of the Prelude and Fugue led me to think that perhaps a specific scale exercise tailored to the piece might help a student learn the piece faster. After all, all keyboard music could be considered as, or at least interpreted as a derivative of some scale, major or minor, harmonic or modal.
WHO said these were written by Krebs?
Is there any evidence proving these were not written by Bach?
Is it possible that Bach wrote these pieces for students? Or maybe for a different instrument? Speculation abounds, but oh so little proof!
@@gianlucabersanetti6454 In other words, it’s just speculation on the authorship of these pieces, with no actual proof of anything. And somehow, in spite of these being so _forgettable,_ they keep popping up all over. Rather popular for as bad as you say they are.
@@ethanlamoureux5306
Burden of proof lies on you, please prove your claim that bach wrote these pieces.
What has happened?? Nothing for several weeks
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