But they approved antidepressants which don’t work and you can’t get off of them. The. Doctor listed to the drug companies and not their patients when they experienced horrendous withdrawals when switching drugs or trying to get off them. Let’s not mention the memory loss and Zero sex drive.
The Texas Dr. had such a huge bias and dismissal against Ketamine it's almost seems like he's for big pharma antidepressants instead. I'm sure his school gets tons of kickbacks to keep antidepressants at the forefront of depression treatments prescribed. He also seems to be stuck on the "there's so many clinics out there who aren't going to prescribe ketamine under our guidelines" uhhh so now you're concerned meds aren't being prescribed "to your standard" so let's just dismiss it's positive effects because some people aren't supposed to take it. I hope he's had that same energy on opiate prescriptions being so irresponsibly prescribed for years. Tell me you're for big pharma without telling me you're for big pharma.
Big Pharma is making money off the nose spray! They’re making money off the ketamine sold to these clinics. For most psychiatrists to send you to a clinic, they’ve made big bucks off of the plethora of antidepressants. It’s always about the money! Don’t think for a second that Big Pharma will always be making money off of everything they possibly can. I’m sure they’ve already had actuaries figure out how much they can make between the point in time they start selling this drug and the point in time when people start dying. And they would have already figured the lawsuits into the picture. Then they’ll pull the drug, and they’ll drive you to the street where you’ll find the drug. Then you lose your home and family and join the homeless community. They’ve used you up and you are disposable. Enter new miracle drug and repeat.
I'd rather them be illegal. Not because it makes any sense. Just because with how quick it skyrockets your tolerance it would become very difficult to get my desired results. 😂
It is so frustrating listening to this, elderly doctor from Texas. This old doctor clearly does not have enough sample size integrity to realize that there are it’s not possible to offer alternative options with treatment. Why don’t you a fair comparison between daily low-dose ketamine treatment, and the garbage, SSRIs, and arise and move stabiles we are all expected to find efficacious. My doctor has never suggested adding an opiate to my treatment. This was a completely unproductive 30 to 40 minute listen in my opinion.
Notice how God has closed down the windows of the soul in the Texas doc and the Yale doc has open loving eyes.... Check mate to the little lost boy in Texas....
As a long-time patient of the VA Healthcare system, I found out about S-Ketamine -- I believe that's correct -- when I was going to a community clinic in my area where I received TMS treatments for about 9 months; and at this clinic, they offer Ketamine treatments for treatment-resistant depression and OCD, in addition to TMS. I inquired after possibly receiving VA-sponsored Ketamine, however, I was told it basically was indeed authorized, yet, it had to be "administered on-site," which, despite being considered a "flagship" hospital (I assume it has something to do with working alongside local medical schools/teaching hospitals..but I don't know that for certain), my VA didn't offer that. Fast forward to very recently, I left a job that had provided me access to health insurance and I had not been to the VA hospital for over a year but that ended. Now, I understand, my VA hospital has a Ketamine Pain Clinic; for which my psychiatrist apparently cannot order a referral, due to the VA formulary -- again, something I don't believe any human can decipher at this point. I could probably practice medicine at the VA...just tell me the symptom and I'm sure there's a book on a shelf that I can pull down and say, "Yep. Cut it off..." because of the deep bureaucracy/rubric-based medicine. That was a bit of a joke, I suppose. Unless, of course, you've been a VA patient... Anyway, thank you, gentlemen, for your time and for sharing your focused knowledge with us laypeople.
Ugh, damn. So sorry and disgusted to hear of your struggles, I would think that some US Veterans might expatriate to Canada, Netherlands, other places to get treatment that is needed and much deserved. 'Magine that--> Essentially professional patriots leaving the US to get necessary healthcare.
Doctors, I’m gonna give you the best advice of your career. When you see a new patient who depressed you should ask what happened to them in their childhood. They told me I was bipolar, I’m not bipolar I suffered severe emotional abuse and was scapegoated by my entire family. I have cptsd, all the symptoms mimic bipolar. Why aren’t you doctors trained in childhood emotional abuse and narcissistic parenting. You people are in the dark ages. Most addicts who have depression have been abused, wakey wakey doctors
Not true for everyone. I started experiencing symptoms when I was 11, no trauma history, picture perfect childhood. Depression, more specifically Major Depressive Disorder can arise organically just like any other mental illness
Oh God. Me too. God bless. I left my family 9 months ago at the age of 63😢. They left me in pain all night with appendicitis, telling me I was faking. It was the last sadistic straw. Even after my appendectomy, they still say I was faking. I've never faked illnesses. My God, what wasted life, trying to get those psychopaths to love me.
Now...in mid-2023...clinics and businesses are opening with; s-ketamine nasal sprays, IV TX, pilks that dissolve, etc. The bottom line: these clinics charge absorbance monies...to Tx people. Insurance doesn't cover this usually...and the practioners are getting rich. Period.
Reach out to this plug I got my stuff from, he’s legit and reliable. He got Lsd, dmt, shrooms, and many more. He also tutors newbies on how to trip safely.
Breaking through Ketamine was the craziest experience I've ever had. Truly an astonishing moment, I can refer you from where I usually ordered from and he ship's all sorts of Psychedelic discreetly
that is always my problem when a bunch of well to do gents getting together and trying to justify if ketamine should be administered or not. well consider yourself lucky to have to ability to even ask the question. because for those suffering you can bet that they don't have as much of the luxury of comtemplating it. another situation of diplomacy casting it's shadow over real world problems trying to figure out if the data lines up meanwhile the house is burning down. please excuse me for my lack of sympathy here. ketamine is a well tolerated drug even at anesthetic doses which is 2mg/kg. most ketamine administrations for depression will start at subanesthetic doses of 0.5mg/kg which is laughable in comparison by toxicology. is it non-addictive in the traditional sense ( no withdrawl sypmtoms). it is merely a nervous system modulator to promote a more productive state of mind. its turns out that you are not entirely a product of your emotions but of a complex chemical orchestra that is occuring in your body. the ability to modulate that and promote functional states of mind is paramount and very powerful to the everyday working man in need. but of course let's all take our sweet undoudtebly privilidge time to gather round quaintly and endlessly comtemplate how to ideally slice to proverbal pie. wouldn't want to be too hasty about it either because what is the rush afterall right? i mean you all seem like well put together men. contributing members of society of course. are you candidates for ketamine treatment? I wouldn't think so. my point is to think in a different perpective and for who this treatment is actually for. god forbid you muster up some genuine article compassion for the patients. have you seen the options for depression these days? most people get off them anyways because of side effects. that is simply not a way to live. ignorance is bliss but it is also destructive. its time to crackdown and demand more holistic treatment options which promote actual health rather than masking depression with more side effects than that of which should ever be. oh and did I mention that ketamin is dirt cheap. mainternance doses for positive effects are once a month. instead of taking a subtoxic pill everyday for the rest of your life. hmm. I wonder what options seems better?
Mr Charlie, what would you say to someone who has been in therapy for the better part of 30 years, been on almost every antidepressant on the market, and still experiences a very limited life style and fairly frequent suicidal ideation. The SSRI’s cause weight gain and loss of orgasm at least in women. I don’t know about men because I’m not one. Is that something you’re willing to accept? Do you think a young person should accept it? When one is depressed, it really doesn’t help to make them fat and sexually impotent. The FDA didn’t have adequate studies or data when they approved the SSRI’s either. You are correct in that this should not be a first line treatment, at least not as this point. Depression kills. Ketamine, when properly administered, does not. Give us a break. The Covid vaccine didn’t have FDA approval either and look how many people were forced to get that.
The Texas guy has a "glass half empty," contrarian type personality . He enjoys shooting things down. The Yale guy's opinions are more consistent with the general view of ketamine in psychiatry, both in research and clinical practice. I know two psychiatrists who are either administering the treatment or referring people out for it. They both view it as a great positive breakthrough. The Texas guy's opinion that it is just activating the opioid system is not a mainstream idea. The Yale guy points out that studies have used Natrexone to block an opioid response and they still get the positive effects of ketamine.
I don’t mind hearing a contrary, or contrarian, position, as long as I hear the other side of the argument to help me choose, or do more focused research on the topic. Long boring story to write here, but after many treatments and therapies I’ve found a way to cope. But if this treatment has worked for so many people, over a long period of time without detrimental effects, then “for some” who have tried several treatments without much success, I believe the ketamine is worth trying. (But still, with much research into who would be administering it to you). Just my humble opinion.
Listen to Charlie from Texas. I'm a participant in k research directed by Sanacora and did have 'magical' response to drug in lifting depression but have residual anxiety at pretty high level. And subsequent CBT, offered as part of study I'm in, may or may not help much in long run. Jury's still out.
I'm 50, have tried 10 different antidepressants since my 20s. None worked. I've been on 80 mg/day ketamine buccally for just over a month, and my depression, for the first time in my life, is gone. Not there. At all. Put that in your 'algorithm,' 'doctor.'
It definately works very different to an opiate. It's such an interesting substance, as the effect is stronger the day one and two after administration. For me, it's the only treatment that really works, no anti-depressant ever had this effect.
I feel that the discussion is on data. What it lacks is real-world results. One is arguing the potential for opioids. The real-world answer to that is, "So what?". You need to understand that people with lifelong depression symptoms just want to feel better. If that comes from a potentially-addictive opiate, still I say to you, "So what?". I'm not sure it is quite understood the lengths some people would go through just to feel happy. Even for a day. We should shift from the failed 'war on drugs' mentality and just do what works. Obviously, we want the safety testing. We want the clinical trials. But in the end, we want to feel better. It's not all about brain chemicals. It's about mental self-awareness and awakening from states of misery. Psilocybin needs released from its decades-long imprisonment, for starters. For the people it can help, it helps tremendously.
It’s already a drug that is abused. People talk openly about how it becomes less effective after a few doses, so they bump the dose up. How many times do you have to bump it up before it becomes very dangerous?
Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here
Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.
LSD and mushrooms, ketamine completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."
The problem here is that ketamine can’t be a long-term drug. Pharmaceutical companies need something people can take for years, and ketamine isn’t that. When given in a safe environment, and manufactured by a regulated company, ketamine is very safe. There is no harm in giving it to healthy people, so why argue against letting them try? Where is the harm? That’s a question I wish they had addressed.
I’ve come off antidepressants cold turkey recently after 20 years. I use from ketamine bought from street dealers or latterly from the dark web. Purely because I could never afford clinics. I am in the uk anyway
I haven't tried ketamine yet, because the few clinics offering it are as greedy as the rest of the medical industry: I simply can't afford it. I've considered trying to find ketamine on the black market, but I don't know anything about black market drugs, and I don't want to risk getting something that's tainted with fentanyl. I don't even know where to start, finding ketamine on the black market. Our cursed US medical industry is so expensive it simply doesn't serve society's needs anymore. I suspect that suicide will be the only treatment I can afford.
@@tedpreston4155 oh gosh this is so sad to read. I get mine delivered to my door from the dark web. I’d hate to be dependent on the USA system of health care. It’s so selective to those who can afford to pay. It is extremely effective in my experience
Respected panel… how do I get a consultation with the Yale doctor? Desperately trying to save a 22 year old from stubborn depression.. Dr. Gerard please give an appointment. Will call your office.
Who is the guy who looks like he’s have falling asleep? Had he have any idea of what true depression is like? You’re living in the past Charlie - are you afraid of addiction, because more and more people are taking themselves out while you blab on about how frightening the “data” is. Get a life and help some people- your negativity is one of the reasons that psychiatry remains largely viewed as fake and quackery.
Tried it for the first time two days ago. The experience was weird, felt anxious and agitated. The day after and today on the other hand - holy guacamole! Depression gone, zero anxiety, have that calm grounded energy and feel like a teenager again. Wonder how long these effects last… It is a miracle drug.
About 14 days for me personally. The nasal spray helps to extend that. It's still been an absolute godsend for me nonetheless. Hope you continue to feel better. All the best ~Cheers
@@vladimirerfan7721 it’s a 15% solution so 15mg per spray. Instructions are three sprays in one nostril and two sprays in the other nostril across a 30 minute period every other day.
Good to hear. It’s unbelievable how many people are depressed. I also think a large amount of people are depressed, but don’t recognize it or admit it.
I am on my third week of Spravato. In fact, today will be my 6th treatment. I have dysthymia with bouts of MDD. I have noticed that I feel better the day of and sometimes a day or two later. However, the effects haven't been lasting. I am not sure if I need to give it more time or if Spravato isn't going to help resolve the dysthymia.
I'm disappointed with my results after finishing up bi-weekl Sparvato for a month and now starting once a week Sparvato for a month. I'm still taking my Viibryd 40 mg daily. I have not been that impressed but I will not stop as the depression is just horrible. I also have PTSD due to working as a nurse during the pandemic, worse than being a trauma nurse for 41 years.
this Naisal Spray treatment is not anywhere as effective as Drip Infusion Ketamine ..you may need to move to this if you can get your insurance to cover this.
I've been a patient who's received ketamine infusions, and I'm a psychotherapist as well. Infusions didn't work for me, sadly. And I've had 5 patients who've done ketamine treatment and the results were negligible. I know this really works for some people, I'm not trying to discredit that. I felt a need to include this because in my own research, I almost exclusively read about positive experiences. I truly wonder if the people in the minority are simply too depressed to share their experience.
Stop nitpicking it. We need more treatment options! Ketamine is safe and not addictive like some of these "educated" MDs choose to believe. If it helps it helps - we need doctors who are willing to look outside the box.
Right! Effexor I've been taking for over 20 years is highly physically addictive imma detox effect even tapering off slowly is so horrible I am stuck taking it the rest of my life I'm afraid. I'm going to try ketamine therapy this month
MD is unanimous for serial killer.... the Texas doc is programmed to destroy humanity.... that little boy needs to go back in his bedroom and shred his degrees...
The one on our right is the biggest joke of all. Pure genius, lets see 🤔don't try the drug that may make you feel better in a day or week. Let's spend 10 years or more trying worthless drugs with awful side affects and then maybe ketamine. Psychiatrists, intelligences or arrogance!
Breaking through Ketamine was the craziest experience I've ever had. Truly an astonishing moment, I can refer you from where I usually ordered from and he ship's all sorts of Psychedelic discreetly
I received Ketamine while I was in the hospital in my Anesthesia. It was a short-term miracle. I quit smoking after years. I felt joyful, just amazing. Then after 5 - 6 days, it hit hard. It makes it temporarily worse since you have the 'now' to compare to the 'bliss' that you know is out there. I searched for a clinic and have had 2 sessions and little result. I have stopped for now. I want to wait and look a little closer. The sessions are $550 each. It will pay to make sure you have the right fit and also, the price may go down.
@@bettysumerlin2297 ask about at home ketamine treatments. I start my first at home treatment at 5. After I see the doctor they send 30 200mg lozenges to my home
@@tinataylor4203 I am getting my 6th infusion of Ketamine tomorrow. I'm on the road. So far. It has not been. The same experience as my hospitalization. People around we are noticing a difference.
Handed it right out to my wife last weekend for "abdominal pain" but those with long lasting depression. GET NOTHING. GO OFF YOURSELF. That's what the system wants.
Many reviews I have read regarding the online ketamine treatment suggests they ‘water down’ their ketamine and are getting less than what is advertised.
@@airla-sophia That does no good at all for those of us who aren't old enough for medicare. The whole god-damned medical industry is simply too greedy to serve the public, outside the few lucky Americans who have good insurance. The insurance industry is so dishonest, I'm not even sure there's such a thing as good insurance anymore. I'm glad its so easy to buy a gun. That may be my only relief in the end.
2 high doses of psilocybin saved my life after 5 SSRIs, 3 therapists and rTMS didn't. I hope to never take SRRIs again. IDK any provider recommending ketamine or others as first line.
Breaking through Ketamine was the craziest experience I've ever had. Truly an astonishing moment, I can refer you from where I usually ordered from and he ship's all sorts of Psychedelic discreetly
As far as psychedelic? As Terrance McKenna rightfully described it, "ketamine is like a tall beautiful skyscraper with elevators that go up and down, gleaming well lit offices BUT.....there is no one there. EDIT: It dissociates from where psychedelics live. GREAT pain relief. I've used it in micro doses(5-10mgSC) to kick opiates.
Honestly, you guys make some reasonable points, but you’ve got your heads up your asses. Assuming that a patient be almost obliged to trial crap antidepressants or etc prior to ketamine is just primitive and unscientific.
Did a 5 days in a row. 2 hour infusions. After the week I just didn't feel any different. How do you know ? I had no guidance at all. In and out to make room for the next " patient ". Went for a " booster " 2 weeks after and had a "bad trip" so to speak. I can't imagine immediate results. Maybe somewhere down the road it'll kick in. But not sure I'll ever take it again. It's just another moneymaker for the medical profession.
And so many think because ketamine happened, now isn't. But didn't I mention? The ongoing ketamine is happening, right now! We are all co-authors of this dancing exuberance, where even our inabilities are having a roast. We are the authors of ourselves, co-authoring a gigantic Dostoevsky novel starring ketamine! This entire thing we're involved with, called the world, is an opportunity to exhibit how exciting ketamine can be. Ketamine is a matter of a miracle that is collected over time by moments flabbergasted to be in each others' presence.
So anytime you can't handle life just turn to drugs? Life is more downs than ups. Once you realize this you won't need drugs. Take the good with the bad.
Good evening, I agree with you. I believe that wholeheartedly until I was diagnosed with depression. I’m 50 , wasn’t rich growing up . But through work & friends & just being grateful, I’ve overcame many struggles , loss of loved one a month before getting married. 26 years ago. Last time I cried. I’m crying every other day now. A month after my eye surgery, I developed insomnia & palpitations. This went on for 2 months. A month after that crying spells anhedonia- Low energy, walked like a zombie. Spoke to psychologist councillor, I’ve been told I have an adjustment disorder after my retina detachment. I’m a high functioning father & husband, I’ve struggled for the last 6 months. I first nasal spray today, I’m struggling with nausea, something I never experienced with the wellbrutin, Valdoxan & Brintellix I never liked being high , enjoyed beers while watching a live soccer game. So Ketamine treatment isn’t something fun for me. Pray 🙏🏼 me . I’ve tried homeopathy ( sleep) , acupuncture ( don’t work) & hypnotherapy too. Nil success yet.
Has anyone tried the ketamine brand treatment “Joyous”? I can’t find reviews and I have a consultation in a few days. It’s definitely the cheapest I’ve found.
But they approved antidepressants which don’t work and you can’t get off of them. The. Doctor listed to the drug companies and not their patients when they experienced horrendous withdrawals when switching drugs or trying to get off them. Let’s not mention the memory loss and Zero sex drive.
Exactly. It has partial opiod receptor stimulation so it must be bad.
Follow the money with these 2. 18 billion a year in antidepressants for big pharma for something with a 65% failure rate
Anti depressants do not cure anything
Exactly
It works. The only thing that has improved my depression and anxiety.
So nice to hear!
Have u been taking medication while having ketamine infusion?
The Texas Dr. had such a huge bias and dismissal against Ketamine it's almost seems like he's for big pharma antidepressants instead. I'm sure his school gets tons of kickbacks to keep antidepressants at the forefront of depression treatments prescribed.
He also seems to be stuck on the "there's so many clinics out there who aren't going to prescribe ketamine under our guidelines" uhhh so now you're concerned meds aren't being prescribed "to your standard" so let's just dismiss it's positive effects because some people aren't supposed to take it. I hope he's had that same energy on opiate prescriptions being so irresponsibly prescribed for years.
Tell me you're for big pharma without telling me you're for big pharma.
Big Pharma is making money off the nose spray! They’re making money off the ketamine sold to these clinics. For most psychiatrists to send you to a clinic, they’ve made big bucks off of the plethora of antidepressants. It’s always about the money! Don’t think for a second that Big Pharma will always be making money off of everything they possibly can. I’m sure they’ve already had actuaries figure out how much they can make between the point in time they start selling this drug and the point in time when people start dying. And they would have already figured the lawsuits into the picture. Then they’ll pull the drug, and they’ll drive you to the street where you’ll find the drug. Then you lose your home and family and join the homeless community. They’ve used you up and you are disposable. Enter new miracle drug and repeat.
My thoughts exactly, it's wild how effective it is at pulling an individual out of depression.
1000%
Exactly, but he’s ok with antidepressants for life with all kinds of side effects
Texas non human dude needs to be researched... Follow the money....
Mushrooms are illegal why, if it helps people I’ll tell you why. The FDA can’t make money off natural products.
I'd rather them be illegal. Not because it makes any sense. Just because with how quick it skyrockets your tolerance it would become very difficult to get my desired results. 😂
It is so frustrating listening to this, elderly doctor from Texas.
This old doctor clearly does not have enough sample size integrity to realize that there are it’s not possible to offer alternative options with treatment. Why don’t you a fair comparison between daily low-dose ketamine treatment, and the garbage, SSRIs, and arise and move stabiles we are all expected to find efficacious. My doctor has never suggested adding an opiate to my treatment. This was a completely unproductive 30 to 40 minute listen in my opinion.
Your bias is showing. You are a raging ageist. Look at yourself!
Notice how God has closed down the windows of the soul in the Texas doc and the Yale doc has open loving eyes.... Check mate to the little lost boy in Texas....
As a long-time patient of the VA Healthcare system, I found out about S-Ketamine -- I believe that's correct -- when I was going to a community clinic in my area where I received TMS treatments for about 9 months; and at this clinic, they offer Ketamine treatments for treatment-resistant depression and OCD, in addition to TMS. I inquired after possibly receiving VA-sponsored Ketamine, however, I was told it basically was indeed authorized, yet, it had to be "administered on-site," which, despite being considered a "flagship" hospital (I assume it has something to do with working alongside local medical schools/teaching hospitals..but I don't know that for certain), my VA didn't offer that. Fast forward to very recently, I left a job that had provided me access to health insurance and I had not been to the VA hospital for over a year but that ended. Now, I understand, my VA hospital has a Ketamine Pain Clinic; for which my psychiatrist apparently cannot order a referral, due to the VA formulary -- again, something I don't believe any human can decipher at this point. I could probably practice medicine at the VA...just tell me the symptom and I'm sure there's a book on a shelf that I can pull down and say, "Yep. Cut it off..." because of the deep bureaucracy/rubric-based medicine. That was a bit of a joke, I suppose. Unless, of course, you've been a VA patient... Anyway, thank you, gentlemen, for your time and for sharing your focused knowledge with us laypeople.
Ugh, damn. So sorry and disgusted to hear of your struggles, I would think that some US Veterans might expatriate to Canada, Netherlands, other places to get treatment that is needed and much deserved. 'Magine that--> Essentially professional patriots leaving the US to get necessary healthcare.
Doctors, I’m gonna give you the best advice of your career. When you see a new patient who depressed you should ask what happened to them in their childhood. They told me I was bipolar, I’m not bipolar I suffered severe emotional abuse and was scapegoated by my entire family. I have cptsd, all the symptoms mimic bipolar. Why aren’t you doctors trained in childhood emotional abuse and narcissistic parenting. You people are in the dark ages. Most addicts who have depression have been abused, wakey wakey doctors
Big pharma… that is why!
Not true for everyone. I started experiencing symptoms when I was 11, no trauma history, picture perfect childhood. Depression, more specifically Major Depressive Disorder can arise organically just like any other mental illness
Oh God. Me too. God bless. I left my family 9 months ago at the age of 63😢. They left me in pain all night with appendicitis, telling me I was faking. It was the last sadistic straw. Even after my appendectomy, they still say I was faking. I've never faked illnesses. My God, what wasted life, trying to get those psychopaths to love me.
Now...in mid-2023...clinics and businesses are opening with; s-ketamine nasal sprays, IV TX, pilks that dissolve, etc.
The bottom line: these clinics charge absorbance monies...to Tx people. Insurance doesn't cover this usually...and the practioners are getting rich. Period.
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Big brows wants to keep people anxious and depressed.
Antidepressants are hellish: weight gain, sexual problems, brain zaps…good God these alone can CAUSE depression. Thank God for Ketamine and TMS!!!
Breaking through Ketamine was the craziest experience I've ever had. Truly an astonishing moment, I can refer you from where I usually ordered from and he ship's all sorts of Psychedelic discreetly
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that is always my problem when a bunch of well to do gents getting together and trying to justify if ketamine should be administered or not. well consider yourself lucky to have to ability to even ask the question. because for those suffering you can bet that they don't have as much of the luxury of comtemplating it. another situation of diplomacy casting it's shadow over real world problems trying to figure out if the data lines up meanwhile the house is burning down. please excuse me for my lack of sympathy here. ketamine is a well tolerated drug even at anesthetic doses which is 2mg/kg. most ketamine administrations for depression will start at subanesthetic doses of 0.5mg/kg which is laughable in comparison by toxicology. is it non-addictive in the traditional sense ( no withdrawl sypmtoms). it is merely a nervous system modulator to promote a more productive state of mind. its turns out that you are not entirely a product of your emotions but of a complex chemical orchestra that is occuring in your body. the ability to modulate that and promote functional states of mind is paramount and very powerful to the everyday working man in need. but of course let's all take our sweet undoudtebly privilidge time to gather round quaintly and endlessly comtemplate how to ideally slice to proverbal pie. wouldn't want to be too hasty about it either because what is the rush afterall right? i mean you all seem like well put together men. contributing members of society of course. are you candidates for ketamine treatment? I wouldn't think so. my point is to think in a different perpective and for who this treatment is actually for. god forbid you muster up some genuine article compassion for the patients. have you seen the options for depression these days? most people get off them anyways because of side effects. that is simply not a way to live. ignorance is bliss but it is also destructive. its time to crackdown and demand more holistic treatment options which promote actual health rather than masking depression with more side effects than that of which should ever be. oh and did I mention that ketamin is dirt cheap. mainternance doses for positive effects are once a month. instead of taking a subtoxic pill everyday for the rest of your life. hmm. I wonder what options seems better?
Oh I know there no money for the pharma!!!
What about the sublingual?
I’m about to start the sublingual treatment. I’m starting slowly.
@@tinataylor4203 how did it go for you?
@@laurasnowleopard9748 unbelievably awesome!
God has always been the answer
You’ve obviously never had real depression.
God also made doctors and works through people for his solutions.
the ignorance 🤢🤮
Mr Charlie, what would you say to someone who has been in therapy for the better part of 30 years, been on almost every antidepressant on the market, and still experiences a very limited life style and fairly frequent suicidal ideation. The SSRI’s cause weight gain and loss of orgasm at least in women. I don’t know about men because I’m not one. Is that something you’re willing to accept? Do you think a young person should accept it? When one is depressed, it really doesn’t help to make them fat and sexually impotent. The FDA didn’t have adequate studies or data when they approved the SSRI’s either. You are correct in that this should not be a first line treatment, at least not as this point. Depression kills. Ketamine, when properly administered, does not. Give us a break. The Covid vaccine didn’t have FDA approval either and look how many people were forced to get that.
Great comment. He really looks like a know it all jerk straining on the toilet to have a BM
The Texas guy has a "glass half empty," contrarian type personality . He enjoys shooting things down. The Yale guy's opinions are more consistent with the general view of ketamine in psychiatry, both in research and clinical practice. I know two psychiatrists who are either administering the treatment or referring people out for it. They both view it as a great positive breakthrough. The Texas guy's opinion that it is just activating the opioid system is not a mainstream idea. The Yale guy points out that studies have used Natrexone to block an opioid response and they still get the positive effects of ketamine.
Agreed. I think the Texas guy needs some ketamine to improve his mood, lol
Interesting
I don’t mind hearing a contrary, or contrarian, position, as long as I hear the other side of the argument to help me choose, or do more focused research on the topic. Long boring story to write here, but after many treatments and therapies I’ve found a way to cope. But if this treatment has worked for so many people, over a long period of time without detrimental effects, then “for some” who have tried several treatments without much success, I believe the ketamine is worth trying. (But still, with much research into who would be administering it to you). Just my humble opinion.
Listen to Charlie from Texas. I'm a participant in k research directed by Sanacora and did have 'magical' response to drug in lifting depression but have residual anxiety at pretty high level. And subsequent CBT, offered as part of study I'm in, may or may not help much in long run. Jury's still out.
of course he's from texas.
I'm 50, have tried 10 different antidepressants since my 20s. None worked. I've been on 80 mg/day ketamine buccally for just over a month, and my depression, for the first time in my life, is gone. Not there. At all. Put that in your 'algorithm,' 'doctor.'
Do you still have to keep taking ketamine ? Or effects of antidepressants would stay if you stop taking it?
It definately works very different to an opiate. It's such an interesting substance, as the effect is stronger the day one and two after administration. For me, it's the only treatment that really works, no anti-depressant ever had this effect.
Psychedelics are very beneficial substances and can really help people with mental health issues. I’m a living testimony of this.
Yes, Doctor.coxx
Is he on instgram?
DMT was definitely the best trip I had. It was an amazing experience for me.
Did you take medication while administering Infusion of ketamine?
It's not a psychadelic though, it's a disassiociative drug.
I feel that the discussion is on data. What it lacks is real-world results. One is arguing the potential for opioids. The real-world answer to that is, "So what?". You need to understand that people with lifelong depression symptoms just want to feel better. If that comes from a potentially-addictive opiate, still I say to you, "So what?". I'm not sure it is quite understood the lengths some people would go through just to feel happy. Even for a day. We should shift from the failed 'war on drugs' mentality and just do what works. Obviously, we want the safety testing. We want the clinical trials. But in the end, we want to feel better. It's not all about brain chemicals. It's about mental self-awareness and awakening from states of misery. Psilocybin needs released from its decades-long imprisonment, for starters. For the people it can help, it helps tremendously.
It’s already a drug that is abused. People talk openly about how it becomes less effective after a few doses, so they bump the dose up. How many times do you have to bump it up before it becomes very dangerous?
Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here
Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.
LSD and mushrooms, ketamine completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself
This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."
[_James_tray]
Got psychs
@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?
@@Jerryberger9235 Yes
The problem here is that ketamine can’t be a long-term drug. Pharmaceutical companies need something people can take for years, and ketamine isn’t that. When given in a safe environment, and manufactured by a regulated company, ketamine is very safe. There is no harm in giving it to healthy people, so why argue against letting them try? Where is the harm? That’s a question I wish they had addressed.
I’ve come off antidepressants cold turkey recently after 20 years. I use from ketamine bought from street dealers or latterly from the dark web. Purely because I could never afford clinics. I am in the uk anyway
@@mycolo_psychedelic6895 yes mate! I buy from the dark web
@Angelina Marcus why?
I haven't tried ketamine yet, because the few clinics offering it are as greedy as the rest of the medical industry: I simply can't afford it.
I've considered trying to find ketamine on the black market, but I don't know anything about black market drugs, and I don't want to risk getting something that's tainted with fentanyl. I don't even know where to start, finding ketamine on the black market.
Our cursed US medical industry is so expensive it simply doesn't serve society's needs anymore.
I suspect that suicide will be the only treatment I can afford.
@@tedpreston4155 oh gosh this is so sad to read. I get mine delivered to my door from the dark web. I’d hate to be dependent on the USA system of health care. It’s so selective to those who can afford to pay. It is extremely effective in my experience
@@tedpreston4155 Mindbloom is pretty affordable.
These two Drs are arrogant and closed minded he's paid big pharma ketamine is cheap and been prescribed for decades
Respected panel… how do I get a consultation with the Yale doctor? Desperately trying to save a 22 year old from stubborn depression..
Dr. Gerard please give an appointment. Will call your office.
Who is the guy who looks like he’s have falling asleep? Had he have any idea of what true depression is like? You’re living in the past Charlie - are you afraid of addiction, because more and more people are taking themselves out while you blab on about how frightening the “data” is. Get a life and help some people- your negativity is one of the reasons that psychiatry remains largely viewed as fake and quackery.
Tried it for the first time two days ago. The experience was weird, felt anxious and agitated. The day after and today on the other hand - holy guacamole! Depression gone, zero anxiety, have that calm grounded energy and feel like a teenager again. Wonder how long these effects last… It is a miracle drug.
About 14 days for me personally. The nasal spray helps to extend that. It's still been an absolute godsend for me nonetheless. Hope you continue to feel better. All the best ~Cheers
@@VeracityMediaThat’s amazing! Thanks for the input! May I ask at what dose/frequency are you using the nasal spray?
@@vladimirerfan7721 it’s a 15% solution so 15mg per spray. Instructions are three sprays in one nostril and two sprays in the other nostril across a 30 minute period every other day.
Good to hear. It’s unbelievable how many people are depressed. I also think a large amount of people are depressed, but don’t recognize it or admit it.
@@azmanhussain Yes! I was/am one of them. If you feel like crap for a long time, you get used to it.
I am on my third week of Spravato. In fact, today will be my 6th treatment. I have dysthymia with bouts of MDD. I have noticed that I feel better the day of and sometimes a day or two later. However, the effects haven't been lasting. I am not sure if I need to give it more time or if Spravato isn't going to help resolve the dysthymia.
Spravato isn't near like Ketamine
@@kennyplay5982 Spravato (esketamine) is an isolate of Ketamine. It is, in fact, very much like Ketamine.
I'm disappointed with my results after finishing up bi-weekl Sparvato for a month and now starting once a week Sparvato for a month. I'm still taking my Viibryd 40 mg daily. I have not been that impressed but I will not stop as the depression is just horrible. I also have PTSD due to working as a nurse during the pandemic, worse than being a trauma nurse for 41 years.
this Naisal Spray treatment is not anywhere as effective as Drip Infusion Ketamine ..you may need to move to this if you can get your insurance to cover this.
@@guldenakdemir2493 merhaba nerede ketamin tedavisi gördünüz?
I've been a patient who's received ketamine infusions, and I'm a psychotherapist as well. Infusions didn't work for me, sadly. And I've had 5 patients who've done ketamine treatment and the results were negligible. I know this really works for some people, I'm not trying to discredit that. I felt a need to include this because in my own research, I almost exclusively read about positive experiences. I truly wonder if the people in the minority are simply too depressed to share their experience.
Didn’t help😞
Please bring ketamine in a very very cheap cost in India soon
Write to the government, or health departments!
The dr on the right, with the orange lanyard. Have you ever had depression? Has anyone you loved been diagnosed with depression?
Stop nitpicking it. We need more treatment options! Ketamine is safe and not addictive like some of these "educated" MDs choose to believe. If it helps it helps - we need doctors who are willing to look outside the box.
Right! Effexor I've been taking for over 20 years is highly physically addictive imma detox effect even tapering off slowly is so horrible I am stuck taking it the rest of my life I'm afraid. I'm going to try ketamine therapy this month
MD is unanimous for serial killer.... the Texas doc is programmed to destroy humanity.... that little boy needs to go back in his bedroom and shred his degrees...
The one on our right is the biggest joke of all. Pure genius, lets see 🤔don't try the drug that may make you feel better in a day or week. Let's spend 10 years or more trying worthless drugs with awful side affects and then maybe ketamine. Psychiatrists, intelligences or arrogance!
Breaking through Ketamine was the craziest experience I've ever had. Truly an astonishing moment, I can refer you from where I usually ordered from and he ship's all sorts of Psychedelic discreetly
Dude as Wealthtrippy
On Instagram
I had one dose it was like a miracle drug but I couldn’t afford anymore and my depression was worse
Dr. smith is affordable and he’s amazing. Best of luck.
I received Ketamine while I was in the hospital in my Anesthesia. It was a short-term miracle. I quit smoking after years. I felt joyful, just amazing. Then after 5 - 6 days, it hit hard. It makes it temporarily worse since you have the 'now' to compare to the 'bliss' that you know is out there. I searched for a clinic and have had 2 sessions and little result. I have stopped for now. I want to wait and look a little closer. The sessions are $550 each. It will pay to make sure you have the right fit and also, the price may go down.
@@bettysumerlin2297 ask about at home ketamine treatments. I start my first at home treatment at 5. After I see the doctor they send 30 200mg lozenges to my home
@@tinataylor4203 I am getting my 6th infusion of Ketamine tomorrow. I'm on the road. So far. It has not been. The same experience as my hospitalization. People around we are noticing a difference.
@@bettysumerlin2297 that’s good we not always be able to see it ourselves. It took my husband to ask what I was so depressed about.
Handed it right out to my wife last weekend for "abdominal pain" but those with long lasting depression.
GET NOTHING. GO OFF YOURSELF. That's what the system wants.
Good video.
Many reviews I have read regarding the online ketamine treatment suggests they ‘water down’ their ketamine and are getting less than what is advertised.
Sure guys whatever! smh
Cost only the wealthy can afford it
Not really. My treatments are covered by my Medicare advantage plan.
I’m glad that way it doesn’t fall into the wrong hands
@@airla-sophia That does no good at all for those of us who aren't old enough for medicare. The whole god-damned medical industry is simply too greedy to serve the public, outside the few lucky Americans who have good insurance. The insurance industry is so dishonest, I'm not even sure there's such a thing as good insurance anymore.
I'm glad its so easy to buy a gun. That may be my only relief in the end.
I got to inspect the source code of my brain. Other than that no thereaupeutic response. Im in the 30% minority after 6 infusions.
This is like Fox News vs The Young Turks
Big pharma Drs
2 high doses of psilocybin saved my life after 5 SSRIs, 3 therapists and rTMS didn't. I hope to never take SRRIs again. IDK any provider recommending ketamine or others as first line.
Breaking through Ketamine was the craziest experience I've ever had. Truly an astonishing moment, I can refer you from where I usually ordered from and he ship's all sorts of Psychedelic discreetly
Dude as Wealthtrippy
On Instagram
Omg 3 minutes in and these two guys arguing. Not a great way for me to get info. Hopefully this video gets better!
The one who cant open his eyes would rather give you Abilify than ketamine
As far as psychedelic? As Terrance McKenna rightfully described it, "ketamine is like a tall beautiful skyscraper with elevators that go up and down, gleaming well lit offices BUT.....there is no one there.
EDIT: It dissociates from where psychedelics live. GREAT pain relief. I've used it in micro doses(5-10mgSC) to kick opiates.
Honestly, you guys make some reasonable points, but you’ve got your heads up your asses. Assuming that a patient be almost obliged to trial crap antidepressants or etc prior to ketamine is just primitive and unscientific.
Is ketamine physically addicted?
it can be
Can ketamine lead to tinnitus or exacerbate it?
Did a 5 days in a row. 2 hour infusions. After the week I just didn't feel any different. How do you know ? I had no guidance at all. In and out to make room for the next " patient ". Went for a " booster " 2 weeks after and had a "bad trip" so to speak. I can't imagine immediate results. Maybe somewhere down the road it'll kick in. But not sure I'll ever take it again. It's just another moneymaker for the medical profession.
Well that is disappointing to hear. How much were each of your treatments?
@@roscoeroscoe8695 I can't answer that question. It all depends on where you go.
Just like anything else , you get what you pay for.
Hi Nanci! Thank you. 🐾🥰
And so many think because ketamine happened, now isn't. But didn't I mention? The ongoing ketamine is happening, right now! We are all co-authors of this dancing exuberance, where even our inabilities are having a roast. We are the authors of ourselves, co-authoring a gigantic Dostoevsky novel starring ketamine! This entire thing we're involved with, called the world, is an opportunity to exhibit how exciting ketamine can be. Ketamine is a matter of a miracle that is collected over time by moments flabbergasted to be in each others' presence.
When AI describes ketamine from reading internet articles 🤣🤣
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Not for me
Where do you get your Ketamine sessions?
So anytime you can't handle life just turn to drugs? Life is more downs than ups. Once you realize this you won't need drugs. Take the good with the bad.
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@@johnjeffrey3821 hey John Jeffrey may God help you
Good evening, I agree with you. I believe that wholeheartedly until I was diagnosed with depression.
I’m 50 , wasn’t rich growing up . But through work & friends & just being grateful, I’ve overcame many struggles , loss of loved one a month before getting married. 26 years ago. Last time I cried. I’m crying every other day now.
A month after my eye surgery, I developed insomnia & palpitations. This went on for 2 months. A month after that crying spells anhedonia- Low energy, walked like a zombie. Spoke to psychologist councillor,
I’ve been told I have an adjustment disorder after my retina detachment.
I’m a high functioning father & husband, I’ve struggled for the last 6 months.
I first nasal spray today, I’m struggling with nausea, something I never experienced with the wellbrutin, Valdoxan & Brintellix
I never liked being high , enjoyed beers while watching a live soccer game.
So Ketamine treatment isn’t something fun for me.
Pray 🙏🏼 me . I’ve tried homeopathy ( sleep) , acupuncture ( don’t work) & hypnotherapy too. Nil success yet.
@@rajindarsingh1417 the love of christ is the only thing that can save you.
Has anyone tried the ketamine brand treatment “Joyous”? I can’t find reviews and I have a consultation in a few days. It’s definitely the cheapest I’ve found.
Me!!! It's worth it
@Melissa-dn9zr Where do you get Joyous? From a Doctor? Is it still working good for you?