London's new (2011) fuel-cell hydrogen buses.
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- This film shows the first of a fleet of eight £1million (each) hydrogen fuel cell buses which entered service on 26th January 2011 and are being used on London's bus route RV1.
RV1 is high-profile bus service which links Tower Gateway Docklands Light Railway station with Covent Garden, travelling via Tower Bridge, London Bridge station, City Hall, Waterloo Station, Aldwych and some areas which are popular with tourists.
The buses are operating as part of the HyFLEET:CUTE project which is demonstrating, testing and developing hydrogen powered public transport buses and the supporting hydrogen production and distributing infrastructure in regular public service operation.
The project is global in scope with buses being trialled in ten cities on three continents.
The cities are:
London (United Kingdom),
Perth (Australia),
Reykjavik (Iceland),
Beijing (China),
Amsterdam (Netherlands),
Barcelona & Madrid (Spain),
Berlin & Hamburg (Germany),
and Luxembourg (Luxembourg).
Funding for this hydrogen bus experiment has jointly come from Transport for London (TfL), the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) and the European Union via the Clean Hydrogen in Cities (CHIC) project.
The original plans were for London to have 10 hydrogen buses, with five of them using internal combustion engines (ICE). However this was scaled back to reduce costs. Berlin will be trialling hydrogen ICE buses.
The primary benefit of hydrogen as a fuel is that it does not pollute the local environment - ie: the streets in which we live. This is good news for human health!
Instead of noxious gases hydrogen powered vehicles only emit water vapour.
BUT
At the present time sourcing and distributing the hydrogen is an extremely energy hungry process - so the global environment is still negatively impacted.
It will probably only be after the 2012/3 events - and subsequent societal changes - that we finally solve the pollution conundrum.
These buses were built by Wrightbus of N. Ireland using a specially modified version of its Pulsar 2 body structure on the VDL SB200 chassis.
They feature ISE hybrid-electric drive and Ballard fuel-cell technologies.
To help reduce overall energy consumption they regenerate their braking energy using ultracapacitors.
12m in length these buses are 11' 2" / 3.4m high, they seat 34 passengers, have space for one wheelchair and weigh 11,597kg.
The youtube still image shows the hydrogen fuel tanks on the buses' roof. Along with several other images of this bus it has been placed on the Wikipedia Encyclopeadia and made 'public domain / copyright free'.
@collieultimo Thanks!
The rattling did surprise me, I thought that much money had been invested in the bus building industry to try and eradicate this type of noise, as along with vibration and engine fumes it is seen as a negative feature which turns people off buses as a mode of transport.
At least this bus has no unpleasent fumes! But one bus driver was somwhat unsure if he really wanted to be anywhere near a hydrogen bus; he was concerned about an explosion.
Keep it up TFL!
Good stuff! Don't backslide!
I noticed, that the new generation of gearboxes sound weirder and weirder. We just had a MAN NL323F demo in town and it sounds almost just like this.
Nice video of an interresting project.
If I listen to the rattling, squeaking plastic, it sounds like German top quality, very familiar.
@dazado75 Thanks for the additional and technical info.
It does seem that whilst the 'New Bus For London' (NB4L) steals the limelight and takes flak for its cost, these even more expensive experimental buses are ignored.
@moshoula (...continued) On the Tuesday & after seeing (at last!) the new buses mentioned on the Chic website I did consider re-editing the film to completely remove the references to HYFLEET:CUTE but decided to leave it as-is' as a testament to bureaucratic projects which do not keep their websites updated. Anyway, as I said before, they were conceived under HYFLEET:CUTE.
btw, with advanced magnetics we could have pollution-free energy 'today'. The technology already exists!
Simon
I also want to see regenerative braking systems fitted on all busses, today. This goal should have been attended to a decade ago.
It does not matter if it is feeding into a resistor grid. Even diesel busses benefit from regenerative breaking. Hot brakes do not work too well on heavy vehicles. By keeping the brake temperature down, the safety and efficiency of those braking systems are increased. Look up the Voith fluid retarder; an accessory which mounts onto the vehicle's gearbox.
As vehicle body producers become accustomed to installing these dynamos, they can gradually start storing power in the vehicles ignition and accessory battery systems. Finally, an advanced regenerative braking system can be fitted to this fuel cell vehicle, storing everything it generates 100% of the time.
Andrew Sinclair on some buses, they can't do regenerative braking, on some Hybrids they can, but other buses (like the Dennis Trident) will not fit.
@moshoula Hello and thanks; AIUI the buses were conceived under HyFLEET:CUTE but it was then decided to create a new project with a slightly different remit called Chic. I mention Chic near the end of the film.
When researching this film my web searches gave very confusing results with the Chic site saying nothing about the new London buses (I think they were added on the Monday after the first bus entered service - whilst my film was made over the week before!)
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From 9 years to now we are saying bye to all of these buses
it is a shame that they cannot find new use, somewhere.
Like the sound of the Bus. It's quiet as a trolleybus. :) The FuelCell engine does produce electricity and the wheel are powered by electric motors right? But the Wright design looks strange with the FuelCell parts on the roof. great footage by the way.
these sound sooo strange! i saw 2 when i was there in april. they're soo cool
But sadly route rv1 is withdrawn so you can find these on route 444.
Another great material, I use it for study, David Yorke of Tower Transit came to Chile to expound about ecological buses and I did him an mini interview. Thank you for your channel :)
Ariel did he? That's cool.
Yes!!!! It was a great instance. You can read the interview (in Spanish) in my blog: administracionytransportes.cl/2017/11/29/david-yorke-en-chile-la-experiencia-con-los-buses-ecologicos/ :)
@Films4You 1) 7 million people in London are breathing out water vapour as well as CO2. No floods.
2) Anything powered by oil or gas (cars, trains, jets, ships, power stations) pump out water vapour as well as CO2. Still no floods.
The technology is between the Americans a company called Ballard, who makes the fuel cell and Bluways from Belgium who make the U caps system the hydrogen itself comes from Holland from a company called Air Products and the route is run by First bus. but over all owned by TFL, latter this year the whole RV1 route will be hydrogen buses at the cost of £1 million each.
half of the hydrogen tanks have been removed as it does not need them and this allows extra passengers.
Each tank holds 350 bar
@CJ19Productions yes but the bus is nothing like the usual Wright buses either - especially the power supply systems.
@paulikxp The rattling noise has nothing to do with the roof load. It is simply the plastic and the way it is put together and how the surface is treated at the contact area to the next plastic part. Our company produce plastics for nearly all bus builder worldwide and all save money at this problem. Only in top class coaches they put PA foil between the PC/ABS parts, but for that you need extra money. In standard busses the spray silicon H10 at the contact areas and this soon disappears.
The gear box is made by Siemens.
It has two that are geared together on propshaft.
I just started replacing the steering pressure relief valves as the drivers were complaining about the steering being to heavy.
4 more are to be expected in June.
What we have been told the buses will not run during the Olympics.
These buses are not just about being green, the end of oil must be.
War must stop!
This was simultaneously hybrid sounds
@citytransportinfo Also there may be too much water used to get hydrogen.
News update.
The 3 new buses have been delayed as TFL have cancelled the contract with Bluways and this will also delay the rebuild of 62992.
TFL plans to put all the buses back in service in September, but they will need to sort out their service issues.
@Films4You my concern is that we will use too much hydrogen...
Simon
Strange weird noise!?
when?
Zakaria Fadel that is the bus engine, as it is run by hydrogen, it sounds weird. It is also powered by special batterys to help the engine. Anyway, the RV1 has different buses now, hydrogen bus ( a different type hydrogen bus). Which sounds like a Routemaster.
RV1 Now Has Vanhool Buses Despite buses are nice
All the parts of the video when you said 'Now Let's Go For a ride Turn on your Sound?'
Alfie Moynes' Roblox Gaming have you a link to this ‘different type of Hydrogen bus’?
Wright Eclipse Hydrogen Was replaced by the Vanhool Hydrogen and also ADL and Wright Bus (Volvo) is already making a Gemini 3 Hydrogen And ADL 400 MMC Hydrogen
excellent
@secondlifeundergroun sorry, I've no idea.
How many different makes of hydrogen buses does London now have in 2019!!
two
@citytransportinfo It's also due to the fact that (UK specifically) fossil fuels are taxed so heavily so make a huge chunk of the government's money, the dont want to lose that.
nice vid.
hopefully this technology will improve, certainly money well spent compared to the new routemaster thats for sure
The US started this in Cali, but the problem is because of the financial bull crap going on and the new movement which is now happening its getting slowed down. Hopefully the U.S. Will get these babies at some point. I would love to see them in Austin TEXas.
Not a nice sound from the electric motor, but I’m sure that could be sorted with better sound insulation. But for me the worse noise is the sound of the seats and poles as the bus rolls over bumps etc.
@secondlifeundergroun I guess it's a fixed one, or that the bus does not even need a gearbox. There are no "shift" sounds as it accelerates.
@collieultimo The roof load does add some additional sidewise movement to the body and accelerates the rate the bus starts rattling. But even if not: what does this have to do with German quality? Compared to British built buses, the Citaro bendies don't rattle more than a Dennis Dart, Enviro 200 or whatever. When the garages are not able to close the roof haunches properly or to replace broken locks then it's no wonder that they are noisy. Bat thanks anyway for your reply.
@collieultimo Could you please tell me what this bus has to do with German top quality? This bus is Irish built, probably with German components. But those won't rattle themselves, noisy is the maybe flimsy construction, combined with a high roof load.
This buses sound like flying saucers. oO
Have to be honest my local company are having the right idea diesel and low emission diesel buses this keeps bus enthusiasm alive sound of an engine is key for bus videos
Still translink have these buses aswell but they still have their scania L94UB engines
I am very pro-electric and for reasons of human health / air quality would like to see diesel phased out.
if we want hydrogen in a large scale, then as of today we have to turn to coal again.. solar or other technologies such as nuclear fusion is still far away.. so i dont think this is going to change the way we travel anytime soon!! though it would provide some vital operational/logistical inputs that could be used to improve the system/hydrogen infrastructure..
That is a lot of rattling on that bus
@citytransportinfo Still looks like an Eclipse, though- don't see why the seats should be any different, they don't look as comfy.
The Eclipse Gemini 2 has the best seats going...
cost of the bus is too high , what will be the mileage with this hydrogen fuel cell bus ,,....?
What gearbox is this?
Siemens electric gearing has two for both rear wheels
the 362 bus route is the best
What the hell is with the seats on that thing? They are nothing like the usual Wright stuff!
The buses can drive on the ucaps for over 5mins if the fuel cell was to fail.
Cleaver stuff
4 more are coming soon from Ireland but all of them will be off the road during the Olympics.
2 million for a bus that will pay for itself in one year and will not need or use the $100,000 plus dollars in diesel fuel to operate on every year, hmmmm I wonder if they'll lower the price of a bus ticket!
charge extra more like. To fund more of them!
Route rv1 is gone
lolz i think theres hot weather cuz of that
It is the price of 1 bus, not weight
are they still in service ?
yes, bus route RV1
Not in 2020 they are now being withdrawn but two are moving to Singapore
RV1 was withdrawn then they were sent to 444 until March when 444 got a new contract with Go Ahead and got allocated with brand new electric buses
@@southeasternbusspotter7633 summer holiday 😀
Where this buses charge the hydrogen?
Nath Al Somewhere near Stratford - I'm not sure of the exact location but it was inside the security zone during the London 2012 Olympic Games and therefore these buses could not be used during the games.
Inside layton garage itself a company called air products delivers the hydrogen.
I worked on then for two years.
@finnsia
Alas not yet... most likely the technology will come from somewhere like Russia, China or another 'non-western' country as our leaders will squelch anything that does not use fossil fuels. The stock market stands to lose too much money! Trials using hydrogen fuel are only acceptable because it is not feasible at present.
Wait a few more years - the technology will probably be available by the middle of this decade - after the 2011 / 2012 'events' and the 2013 onwards changes.
There is another bus coming to London its a vanHool bus
You think you are Sadiq Khan, liar
it just sounds too weird...
Why can’t TFL and or the Company trialing these busses invest in a Electrolysis device?, they come in self contained Lorry containers, so one could be placed at one or both ends of the route, with a renewable energy Turbine to power it!. They can’t loose any money cos this is the way things are going anyway, and if TFL decide against HFC they can always sell the Electrolysis device and use the renewable energy turbine for the running of the depot.
You are talking about a way to power the buses - recharge their batteries? Is the technology you describe being tested anywhere?
I would be stunned to see TfL trial this at the present time. Its not just because TfL is in the midst of a financial crisis (partly because Crossrail is opening late) but also because TfL has just decided to not trial the OppCharge bus battery charging system which would work well with the electrolysis tech you describe.
Are you aware of Brilliant Light Power as a possible new way to create electricity? I have also heard of a new way to generate electricity using magnetics that is being worked on - once perfected it will only need a small amount of power to start it going and then it will be self-powering.
citytransportinfo if you watch the vid you will see the list of cities that are trialling this technology including one London bus route!
so 1 million pounds per bus
Alex Loadman no, it depends what type it is.
@dangnamit1 hydrogen is very efficient one tank can do 300+ miles