IS WOTLK Classic Friendly for "Casual" Players?
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Nothing says casual friendly like staring blankly at a manual group finder interface for thirty minutes clicking a refresh button
I dunno I might not fully understand it but i thought the issue with auto group finder was the lack of social interaction and isn’t this new system the same thing just more toxic because now you have to just sit and manually wait and refresh to try and find a team that will take you I just still feel like the social aspect will be the same as auto finding
Play a class with a tank or healer spec and start your own group.
If you add a buddy who plays the other of the two, then you never have to wait.
@@H41030v3rki110ny0u I mean yes you can’t just roll a tank or healer but that doesn’t change my pint wasn’t the reason for this change because the old system didn’t encourage people being social I don’t see a difference with this system
@@2ballisticgaming846 yeah manual group finder just means people can more readily pick over players like market produce, meaning if you are not up to _their_ standards, good luck finding a group. At least with auto grouping you had a better chance to get a dungeon since the only requirement was having the gear to queue up. I find it hilarious when people use excuses like "make your own group" when in reality making your group is just as stupid as the manual group finder, people will just not join your group if they think you are not up to snuff. At the end of the day is social fallacy that if there was no auto queue system people would be more social is about false as people saying if LFR didnt exist suddenly everyone would be raiding normals when in reality they would just not raid. good luck finding dungeon groups, its one step above spamming LFG in trade chat and anyone who thinks that was a load of fun is delusional.
@@2ballisticgaming846 You’re right. There isnt more social interactions now than with lfd. Its just less convenient and you have to walk there. People just wanna pretend like they have a lot of fun saying « hi how are you ? » while on their mount to the dungeon 😅
Back in original WOTLK I was a girl in my early 20s with plenty of time to gear up and learn raid strategies. Now I’m a mom in my 30s and exactly the target demographic this video is aimed at :)
@miss-nomer As a 50 year old looking to come back to this game sometime this summer or fall it warmed my heart to see you still love it and still play as a much busier mom.
Respect 😄❤️
I was 2 when World of Warcraft and Halo 2 came out, so I definitely didn't get to experience World of Warcraft back then. I'm now 21, and unfortunately I started playing World of Warcraft during Shadowlands (unfortunately) and now I'm enjoying wotlk classic. 've been enjoying wotlk classic a lot but there's so much basic knowledge I still don't even know, I just only figured out what Masterloot was today.... My brain is not good it seems.
Dungeon Finder = Casual gaming
No Dungeon finder= spamming lfg , kick for not having achievements or low GS ..
Congratulations Blizzard, u could make WoW great again, but u fucked up , again.
Gear Score literally didn´t matter back then. But now a days it might, because newer players are quite dumb sadly.
DF will come at a later patch, obviously. So this is pretty good.
The thing is that classic is pointed to players that plays wow before, not to new players.
So rDF had to be implemented if they want to keep it alive.
Wotlk classic players will be 25+ yo players that are not teenagers anymore and have families and not a lot of time to play, so only time for casual gaming,
We are not anymore no lifes who can spend 10h daily playing wow , having time for rhc lfg ect
I don’t know about anyone else, but there’s literally zero social aspect to my group forming for dungeons. I literally just spam a macro in lfg periodically and when I get a whisper throw them an invite, and go about my gaming until the group is full. With the amount of LFG spam on the mega servers there’s no other way to do it and keep your sanity
My experiences contributed to me picking tank for tbc then it’s just easy mode sorry :p
RDF was great and needed for alts. Otherwise im going to raid log like I do now
YES, it has great catch up mechanics and ways to craft really good competitive gear. It is absolutely worth playing as a casual.
The game is casual friendly. The community is not.
For all Pugs you still have to be BIS geared or join a gdkp on the bigger servers ...
warth is very casual but classic warth will not be because with out lfg will not be due to people not inviteing them and they be under geared as alot of the casuals will not be able to join for hcs or raids blizzard fuked up
I don’t know why they aren’t putting in the dungeon finder, I think it’s a huge mistake.
I'm planning on subbing for WotLK classic with my brother. I'm willing to raid once or twice per week with the best of my ability. I don't plan to rush to get BiS.
Not sure if I fall in casual or not. But I don't care. I just want another shot at playing WotLK. It was the first expac I truly dug into WoW back then. But I was still very new ish all the same.
Fuck off min max / just play the game with your brother and and have a good time, this memory lasts forever bro :)!
Man once upon a time I wrote an LFD/RFD tank gearing guide on tank spot focused solely on RFD. It changed the game for gearing a tank.
I’m the filthiest casual. I quit at 59 when phase 2 dropped. But I started a new character and I might even stick around for wrath release
Short answer: yes.
Would it be more casual friendly with RDF? Yes. Though I don't mind if they leave it out for a while - but really for the Classic experience it should come out in a later patch just like it did originally.
Now are the raids casual friendly? Nope. Sure, Naxx is easy - but long. Otherwise its really quite challenging (and also long) with the most pugs back in the day would do is VoA and the first three bosses in ICC (or ideally, just Lootship if someone had a lockout saved).
Eventually you will run out of casual content to do, but if you only play a few hours a week then that's not going to be a problem. Its just if you're a no-life casual it becomes a problem - that's when you should probably either play other games as well (to space it out) or pull up your socks and take a jump into raiding with a guild.
Or, you know, just PvP. PvP in Wrath was pretty darn good.
They’re also making naxx more difficult and shorter this time around should be interesting
@@shanehodges6980 what do you mean increasing dmg % / health % doesn’t make it harder lol ofc it does
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OMG BLizzard are wrong put back RDF
Suck it. Change is good
Facts
Wrong, why is creating a group / talking to people so hard for you.
I think WOTLK is probably the best classic version of WoW to enjoy casually. There is so much to do
Doubt it
I love this video finally something for casuals and not just sweaty neckbeards ;)
loved the advice at the end :D
It WAS. The lack of rdf will change that. Honestly most of my best memories from Wotlk were dungeon grinding alts. I’ve been looking forward to Wotlk classic since vanilla classic was announced and no rdf might keep me away.
Thank God I watched this. Wrath classic refund requested and battle net uninstalled. I get maybe 3 -4 hours a week if im lucky so no dungeon finder is a deal breaker for me hence why I didn't hop on vanilla or tbc. Back to dalaran wow it is 😭.
Scott there is actually a place in icecrown on the east side of the wall of icecrown that you could fly into inderground textures, fly to wintergrasp and finish the battle by flying to orb chamber from underneath the textures. I would check it out
Aye mate, also used to use that to get in VOA if our faction didnt have control
@@Scottejaye I see you are a man of culture aswell
I’ll be pvping mostly. I do want to do all the quests.
I'm a casual player, I mostly just do bgs and make money in tbc. I hate raiding and doing dungeons, but I love solo farming (cave dwelling mana tombs on my rogue). Could you do a follow up video like this and explain what the PvP gearing is going to be like?
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I hate to rain on people's parade, but the truth is, without a solid group of friends or a guild, you will find it really hard to get into heroics.
Back in original Wrath, I had leveled up an alt just before the random dungeon finder was implemented, and went into that character's first Heroic with the best gear you could get pre-heroic, including crafted epics. Upon arriving at the dungeon entrance, the group leader inspected my gear and kicked me immediately because my gear was "too weak for heroics". This happened repeatedly to me, and if not for my guild-mates running me through heroics, I would have been forced to abandon my alt due to a lack of content I was "allowed" to do.
Great info thanks
This is pretty much how i have lived my wow life after i quit raiding some time in WOD and i love it so much. I think casual term has been distorted over the years , I dont raid ( out side of a few lfrs once in a while ) or run keystones , but i do put 40 plus hours a week into the game and have enjoyment my was.
When classic came out i treated it and TBC as sort of my 2nd MMO from wow and had a blast on Bloodsail Buccaneers ( US /RP) since night 1 the very minute we could log into the game just by leveling a few toons across the world and interacting with the peeps there in. I got the few goals i set like getting the Frostsable mount and grind out enough gold for flying.
My plans for Wrath were to grind up the polar bear mount , the Proto Drake mount from Mulocs in Sholuzar Basin , get the fishing pole from the Tuskars, Wintergrasp pvp and try and get one of the spirit beasts pets for my hunter .
I do remember ICC being very pug friendly so i will prob do some here and there and some how i am in a big time raid guild right now so i think they will have a cpl of spots for a few lowbies like myself. I wont do super dps but i know the fights and how to play my class and get along pretty well with the peeps in guild. So i am looking to Wrath to be like the old days for me
The casual experience has been pretty similar to original WOTLK for me. I'm a tank without a raiding guild so raiding is almost impossible lol. No one wants PUG tanks and I don't have gear for DPS. WOTLK casual play to me was always about getting pre-raid gear and then playing an alt, rinse repeat. It's pretty similar.
You can play every game casually. Just comes down to if you like slowly getting gear or not being able to get as geared as others...
the answer is yes. its casual heaven
I played casual back then when WotLK was around and honestly, I can't say I enjoyed it very much. Sure, there were plenty of things to do which was what kept me playing but I didn't necessarily enjoy my time because I wasn't in a raiding guild after my guild disbanded during Ulduar. Granted now though, the opportunity to run in a PUG raid is much more viable and feasible than it was before when GDKP was practically unheard of and you could forget about trying hard/heroic mode anything with pugs. So things might be different this time around and I luckily have a guild that's relatively competitive and competent that I can enjoy my raiding experiences with now.
Hey scottejay are you going horse or ally on fresh
with rdf it would be again as it was, casual friendly
@scottejaye Can you test if you can wear two different Kirin Tor rings or if its unique one for all
If you want to be casual I would join an already established server and have geared people carry you through.. Actually my plans lol.
Casual players are what keep these games going.
RFD is a make it or break it, for me, When they released vanilla classic I got so excited for WoTLK classic, after 3 years of wait they reveal the removal of rdf. So I decided not to give them my money and play, its fairly obvious they removed it to make people spend more time on the game doing nonsense.
Just gonna BG with an occasional run. Probably just be out in the world making gold
What are reputations for ? haven’t played in a decade
I aint ever had a character leveled to 60....and I have had a blast just with even fishing and enjoying the world and questing with friends. When games become sweaty/min-max is when the community becomes toxic and the game is no longer fun imo
Casual and for fun doesn't get anything accomplished at end game. Every casual for fun guild I've been in can't clear a few bosses into heroic. There's nothing wrong with wanting challenging content and overcoming it with others. Why do casuals always want to take that away from everyone else?
@@soulward6334 lmao then dont join a casual guild, simple as that.
@@riktrik7013 wow way to miss the entire point
@@soulward6334 You are missing the point. Causals aren't typically "taking away from everyone else". If you don't want trouble clearing content, don't join a casual guild lol.
@@jessegarris7037 omg what? Let me spell it out for you. The op said that when people play seriously min/maxing it becomes toxic and not fun for them. Who said anything about that taking away from the game? I certainly didn't. People who want to chill can chill. But there are plenty of people who enjoy playing well, and to their character's potential, striving to complete the hardest content. I never said people can't play for fun. My point is that people with that mindset don't clear challenging content from my experience.
LFD is what made wrath causal,back in wrath i had a few hours a night to play,queuing for lfd,and questing or mining I could do that while I waiting for my dungeon,and it made it so easy
Too bad the community doesn't want it. Sad
@@AshleyOCE Community? You mean Blizzard.
@@Sekeshin the majority of the community want lfd,
@@albinb4018 I would say its a 50/50 split.
It doesnt make it casual though. Vanilla is full of casuals aswell and it doesnt have LFD. Casuals usually have less issues with teaming up. I have to admit that introverts do benefit from LFD alot though
Before I watch the video I’m going to say no. Anything from heroic dungeons and up is gated by this phantom precious “community” that players and Blizzard seem to swoon over.
I can’t wait to not be invited to
Groups cause I’m causal
And DF doesn’t exist lol
Going to be alot of sitting around waiting since I can’t do anything but look for groups haha
RDF is great, without it people will super sweaty filter through achievements or GS or ilvl or spec. GL snowflakes you aren't meta wait around a few more hours.
Meta doesn’t matter in wrath & if you’re still on that you’re a peasant
@@MrIFucksWitIt check out the pservers if you want a glimpse of the sweaty future. Within a guild it won't matter but pug anything and be ready to worship the perceived meta. Oh you are enhance and not spellhance, no thx. Not 4k GS get lost.
Although I play a scary amount of WoW from a normal person’s perspective I’ve always been casual because I rarely committed to raiding. It’s just a whole new level of craziness (with rewards). And you’re right in that all the TH-camrs make content for people looking to min max their raiding and assume that’s everyone’s goal. Even when they throw in a comment for a “casual” you can tell they’re just playing lip service. They don’t really believe in casually playing WoW. And yet most players I meet in the game would be considered casual in that they aren’t in a guild clearing the latest content weekly. So why all the videos for the hard core players only? That said I like your videos.
yeah, it's clear wow has a lot more "casual" players than hard core mythic min maxers. I think even blizzard seems to forget this fact nowadays.
I think it's because most casual players aren't really interested in watching a lot of WoW content on TH-cam. The ones that need to go to youtube are the ones looking to optimize their raiding/gearing/whatever tf they do. It is super frustrating that seems to dominate all Wow video content though. The game has so much more going for it than min-maxing the fun out of it for fake gamer clout.
@@siskavard I don't know. You could do a survey to find out. I'm casual at a lot of my hobbies but I like watching TH-cam videos on all of them regardless. (Yes, I like the content on raiding too of course.)
This is me. RDF is a huge loss to the game for me and the people I play with. Especially since the server we are on is completely dead.
With the removal of RDF it will be much harder for a "casual" player to play. I loved wrath back in the day because I could log in for a couple hours and just q up and go. I hate retail wow so thats just not an option for me. Sucks to see they decided to remove it.
The removal of RDF will also hit non-optimal specs really hard. Bear tanks, Resto Shamans, Warriors, Boomkins, etc. These classes will get passed over for better options.
This. I still use RDF in retail but can’t stand using the RRF. Just to much bs that happens in random raids with anonymity
@@TheRosswise ya sorry if you don’t take a resto sham or a boomkin for a dungeon you are brain dead. Not sure u are aware of what optimal dungeon specs are in wrath but ok
It’s not hard to find a group. And most people aren’t snobs about your spec.
Funny how it's going to ruin wrath... but it wasn't in wrath until the last patch and the expac was basically over. And during Wrath everyone thought it was very casual friendly, before RDF was implemented. Maybe it wasn't RDF that made it casual friendly.
Great vid, I think the impact of removing LFD autogroup can’t be overstated though, not only can you not chain dungeons for leveling up alts but for casuals with low play time, it just makes the play time that much less impactful. Ion also said something about changing tokens around… does that mean no more daily quest for first dungeon of the day to give raid tokens?
No it means they will have the dailies in. Once lfd dropped they removed dailies because lfd gave badges for first completion. They are going to add them back.
ANOTHER REASON WHY NO RDF WILL SUCK: With RDF, your first random heroic is treated as the daily. Without RDF, you have a specific heroic dungeon each day that everybody has to do to get their emblems. The problem is once you kill the first boss in a heroic, you are locked to that heroic. So you can only do one instance of each heroic per day. Why is this going to suck? Simple. There are a finite number of tanks on every server. So once all of the tanks have done their daily heroic, nobody else can do theirs. Once everybody realizes this fact (shortly after the launch of wrath classic), you will have to hire a tank. Like if you were buying a Titansteel cooldown, for example. How do I know this will happen? Because it already happened back in the day. I made thousands of gold tanking daily heroics. Discuss.
Might be but there als might be 50%dk population and hcs in wotlk are a joke
No, not really. There will be tones of blood DK´s this time around.
DKs are EXTREMELY squishy if they haven't hit 535 def rating, and Frost Presence is NOT 'instant tank'. I have tried to heal DKs who believed that. And yes I will also be playing a tank, so this will absolutely benefit me. Just letting you guys know that this will be a thing until Blizzard brings back RDF (which they will).
Yep. It's B.S and everyone that wanted them to remove RDF is either 1) a fool, or 2) doesn't actually play the game and therefore should not speak.
chill guys, dungeonfinder was patched at the end of wotlk, so back then it was possible so it is possible now
I'm soloing a warrior right now. Questing and working my professions. I did all this stuff in game back in 2008 so I figure, I don't care about it so much. 37 years old with a demanding job. I'm enjoying it so so much! If you're thinking of casually playing, DO IT!!!
I rememeber people forming 5 man heroics back in wrath demanding 4000+ gear score. Random dungeon finder tool killed that toxic bullshit real fast. Thats why i loved the tool so much, it forced the sweaty hardcore players in all heroic 25 man gear and casuals to play together. Amazing to see a holy paladin with a legendary mace join your group that you've been struggling through for an hour or when a plate dps with Shadowmourne join your group in a random and blow shit up. That never would have happened without RDF. The community naturally gates casuals and the sweaty hardcores from playing with each other.
Weird that I dont remember gs at all back in vanilla wotlk. Raided a lot with my guild but I did also heroics with randoms and dont recall being asked ever my gs.
@@Kamion991 I don't remember gs being a thing at all in wrath, not sure wtf this guy is talking about, not enough people used the addon for it to be a demand in heroic lfg. I do remember people queuing heroics with heroics in pvp gear to meet the itemlvl requirement though, forgot if this was wotk or cata or motp.
@@sfzrxgaming9875 I can guarantee that gear score was a huge issue in vanilla wotlk. I have no idea how your server didn't have minimum gs and linking achievements required for just about everything in wrath but I know for a fact it was toxic as hell on mine.
@@kero1640 linking achievement was definitely a thing, but gs definitely not, and especially not for heroics.
@@sfzrxgaming9875 You clearly never played wrath. GS was everywhere. As a casual player you couldn't get into any group content without a high GS.
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they are just milking pre launch content wrath will be dead when dragonflight launches.
Dont put RDF in? Mate ITS IN THE BASE GAME. How about stop fucking with things. What happened to #NoChanges ? Feels like were moving backwards with these knobs in charge.
I came back and tried WotLK Classic as a casual for a couple months and can't understand how people actually pay money for this garbage in 2022. Obnoxious people in chat, broken AH economy, login issues and a character that apparently died on a gryphon flight that you can't corpse run to. Maybe this works around 2007, but now this is just embarrassing for the company.
Blizzard are misguided for not putting RDF in the game. I appreciate the sentiment of retaining the social aspect, but this isn’t vanilla anymore, the game design around the dungeons is completely different. Dungeons are repeatable endgame content now, meaning the process of meeting up and going to the dungeon inherently does not hold the same value. It’s just not the same game and that’s fine by me. I’m sure they’ll put in RDF later but they should just have it at launch
Why should they? It wasnt out until 3.3 where icc, the last raid tier, hit. It was meant to be a tool for cata. Rdf has no reason to be there before. It just crushes social interactions and ppl were fking toxic because of dungeon hopping etc. instant leaving if the dungeon wasnt theirs was also a thing after dps waiting for 45 minutes on a tank and it happened to be oculus.
@@roxxor3 yeah, now specs that are not as popular and casuals are basically going to be unable to join any dungeon group despite the fact that heroics aren't hard at all. TBC showed this to be true, even if people were over geared and knew the routes, spergs wanted the best to do even the easier heroic dungeons in TBC. RDF is really needed to help stop this problem of people overestimating and min maxing for no reason. The social interaction bit is very funny because I played throughout TBC and never once had a meaningful interaction in heroics, dungeons are transactional for most, people are there to get the loot and gtfo, they aren't there to take 3 hours to finish the heroic but just want to get it done ASAP. Hell, since they are more selective in the TBC dungeon finder I would argue it is more anti social and elitist than just a randomized dungeon finder where you cant pick who you team up with.
@@roxxor3 one of the biggest advantages of the classic formula is taking a good feature that was added mid-expansion, recognizing its usefulness and deciding to put it in from the start. 1 example being guild banks. The fact of the matter is this: making players stare at an an LFG tool and then travel to their daily heroic will not make the process any more social, I think you’d have to be delusional to believe it will. Daily heroics are inherently less social than something like vanilla dungeons
@@roxxor3 Have you done a Heroic with a shitter tank or healer? Youre stuck for 45 mins bitching at that person for sucking cause no one wants to spend 25 more mins looking to fill half way through a heroic. No one wants 3 bosses down heroic. Rdf, player leaves player fills. done and done. I play on bene, i did 25 shattered halls straight about a month ago, 2/3 of them, no one said a thing other than; "LOS", "mana up", "big pull". rdf helps casuals and sweats alike. Helps tame toxicity more often than it harms.
@@braxmiss889 exactly this. I feel like the people who are arguing against RDF have not actually played wrath
Dont stop talking about random dungeon finder... It is what made wotlk work for me
"With no barrier to heroics once you're level 80" I find that hard to believe, won't be long before full T7 is required for "smooth badge runs" thanks to the selective group finder tool.
it was bad enough with the gearscore addon and having the matchmaking auto finder, now couple gearscore with players having complete control over the match making process... its going to be a shit show with ridiculous gearscore requirements that will make the real wrath era look positively tame by comparison.
Yea they need to add dungeon finder lol
Meanwhile i'm dripping sweat off my fingertips onto my keyboard. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Love the video!
I am stepping away from a hard core raiding min/max guild and starting a small 10 man guild with some people i have met over the years playing wow :) Cant wait to be a casual wrath player to be honest haha
this is the best way to enjoy wow. min maxers ruin the fun for themselves, but once those min maxers turn into elitist gatekepeers, they ruin it for all others around them too.
@@JrKengu yeah, sadly that's what the guild I am currently in has become
Same here. I play to have fun, if the fun disappears I stop playing
I never had an issue with LFD, and it’s going to hurt not having it for levelling those alts in old content.
Looking for raid was a step to far in my opinion. But even that has elements that are desirable to the casual community.
I hope they do just bring in a nice tidy LFD tool that adds value
just make a group.
LFD wasn't in the game until ICC launched.
@@jcfrules takes way more time and you have to walk to the dungeon
@@60sekundenpolitik Paying $15 a month for access to a 15 year old item, then being upset about 'spending time' on it, and 'exploring the world'. yikes
@@jcfrules i tell you something, you can pay money for a game and still worship your own time. You will realize this someday.
Incredible video!
Ps flood all forums with wtb rdf!
I'd love to be able to play casually on WOTLK. I wonder if in fresh servers, casuals are gonna have a better time with than the allready inflationed-economy current servers...
Not really in a nutshell, there is five factions for gear you need but it was a lot easier with dungeon que. Oh wait no dungeon que? Never mind ya got a lot to do with 25 dailes to get faction gear
Wish LFD was still going to be in. Never really agreed with LFR but 5 man’s make the perfect place for this tool. It gets frustrating just trying to scroll through the new tool and whispering and then hoping the person isn’t afk…
Even LFR made raids accessible without a guild or being forced to run it in a GDKP or wait around for some kind of SR pug in chat. I'm really not sure what reason there would be to hate it.
@@jonathanwynne6925 not really hating on LFR but just never liked how it worked overall. For those that enjoyed it more power to em.
@@jonathanwynne6925 I don't like LFR because it moves the game away from being an MMORPG. The open world will just be a lobby room for people waiting for their instanced content invite with random people who don't care about each other because everyone knows that they will never meet the same players again.
I mean... why play this MMO if the world is dead and the players give a fuck about you?
The game should not turn into a dungeon/raid simulator just because some people are somehow unable to connect with other poeple and organize themsevles for group content.
@@stefvanbust552 cool. Most of us can only play a little during the week and need these tools. The average person can't play 5 hours a day and afford to waste that time
@@TheZdowd then maybe its not the game for you? I mean you should be able to find yourself a group for whatever you want in the same amount of time it would take the Q to pop and honestly probably less time. Don't kill the world just because you're lazy. If you want to find an instant group, play tank. You wanna DPS, well it will take you longer to find a group but hey your Q will be longer too...
Don't stop talking about RDF Scotte, wrath needs it
Casual is *super fun*! I was a casual (at first) during the original Wrath. Without the RDF it's less awesome but still playable.
So I’ve played wow from day 1. Started off in high school and into college and hate to say it - had a lot of time to play. Got as serious as I could and it was kinda fun.. BUT now that I’m a full grown big boy and only have a few hours a day to play, I have to say the most fun I’ve had in wow is just leveling up with low lvl 5 man dungeons. It’s harder now days with everyone wanting to skip those and buying the progress instead of playing the game. But playing casually can be and is fun, for some :)
Isn't wotlk the introduction of gearscore?
Can't wait to be denied to go to a dungeon to get better gear because I don't already have good gear *facepalm*
Back then, it did not matter. In fact, people caring about gear score were seen as absolute noobs :)
Today, who knows. It might become a big deal because people are stupid.
Wotlk is the most casual friendly expansion but also has the hard modes and heroic raids for the more hardcore guilds.
It will be the continuation of what it is now without RDF. Sitting around in towns hoping to find a group while getting nothing done for hours. Day after day. Couple weeks of that is gonna result in mass sub cancellation after the honeymoon phase (which wont last long).
what confuses me about your video is you're mentioning all the things you can do in retail wow but people complain about retail lmao....like farming mounts, dailies, toys, achievs, you can do this in retail people. I feel like wrath is the end of the classic spree. I'm ljust lost how classic players are praising classic achievs, farming classic pets, classic mounts, classic dallies but hate retail?
No hate on both, both are very fun imo but they are slowly becoming one in the same again.
The RDF was one of the best mechanics Blizz implemented for casual players. It sucks that they won't add it for now because a certain group of people cried so much about it. I bet that most of those people are either just playing the first weeks and then leave to retail again or many of them already play with an established group of people (or even a whole guild) so they don't need to bother about grouping anyways. And don't forget all those geared up or higher level gankers, who waited in front of the dungeons or at gathering hubs to corpse camp people. For me, even in my times when I played a lot of wow, I loved the RDF system. I had the choice to spent my time more efficiently, especially when I played a DPS class. I will certainly join for a fresh server and look how it goes but once I have the feeling that WotLK classic becomes more of a chore than an enjoyment I won't have any problem quitting rather quickly again.
crazy. They were full of no changes but this is changing because few nerds that will be playing wow for another 100 years no matter what
RDF is shit i remember in legion as a casual player using that and The emerald nightmare was a fking real nightmare it took hours to beat that raid in RDF full of noobs and ppl who can't even play their class, so i started to join PUG's and was a lot better.
I just started playing, and other than watching videos on the seat, I can play 2 hours a day max due to studies and work. Tbh it’s been pretty chill other than putting off deadmines until I can throw in a good weekend play season.
I'm not a casual player by any means but I know a bunch from my server and they love doing what they do, even in TBC. So I couldn't imagine that Wrath would be different. It's also kinda fun joining a casual raid to experience what progression feels like and as an added caveat, you get to hear their excitement when they kill that final raid boss
i am a casual player. i had time to play wotlk and tbc as a kid. now replaying as an adult just casually because i work long hours. i am happy just to be a part of a raid. its a fun experience for me still
That's what it's all about
well high end classic concetns is ez than retial, for classic is most about ur gear and preparation pre raid, with enough time any can gear up, retail u need to know hwo to use ur class if u wanna beat mytic, good thing in retail u dont need to be bored for some stats like hit, defesens but in change u need to do aloot more mechaninc than in classic, classic required attument, reputation and aloot ofgrindy before the raid, but the raid is not so hard even ulduar with the right defense are ultra ez
2:19 no its not man, RDF wasn't put in the game until ICC patch. Please stop talking about it like it was in Wotlk.
While I like the idea of a classic WOTLK as Northrend is my favorite area in Azeroth, and when I started playing WoW it was already in the Cataclysm era but I only had the WOTLK expansion, meaning it would be nice to actually get to experience WOTLK properly..... My experiences playing Classic when it launched was.... ok I'm gonna be honest with you, it was garbage.... I didn't like it. I'm happy for you if you enjoyed it, but I didn't, the game is too slow, it forces you to walk around desperate to find quests, you have to spend an unreasonable amount of time walking vast distances in this wide empty world (Because the sever I was playing in was pretty empty) and it just takes forever to level up. And contrary to what many people say, no, leveling in classic is not fun, it's just as boring as retail.
So naturally the idea of having to level up trough the classic zones, all the way to outland, all the way to NOTHREND before I get to experience it doesn't sound very appealing. (And I must confess I kinda lost interest in WoW after legion.)
I know a lot of people loved classic, but it just wasn't for me.
As a casual player myself I only have a few hours a day to play and with the announcement of no RDF a few months ago I’m definitely not as “hyped” as I was.
Now It’s just going to be like TBC classic again sitting around for hours waiting for a group only to log off for the night having done nothing.
You played classic wrong. lol
@@mackdyegames3035 That's not playing the game wrong at all.
Im still in disbelief that dungeon finder was removed from the game. The idea that Blizz think replacing rdf with a "tool" to help find partys will be beneficail is laughable. Do this devs even play the game. They are butchering a great game and will lose a lot of players once the novelty wears off. There are too many other good pservers with the Intact game as it was intended for players to move to who want the authentic experience not this watered down version
Joining a guild for social interaction?
No way! Since vanilla classic i have joined a couple of guils, smaller and big guilds and all i got was a deag guildchat. Not one time i got asked for a fiveman or to join a raid, not one time for zul aman, wich I havent seen jet in classic.
The oldschool RFD in wrath was my hope to run fivemans like crazy to farm items and badges, but the hope is dead by now. No RFD
"most casual friendly classic expac so far" ... Exactly this... The caveat being that if you want to see all of Ulduar or kill the Lich King you might need to be semi-hardcore rather than casual.
Wanna make wotlk casual friendly?
Out in RDF. End of.
What I loved about Wrath is that almost everything felt like I got something out of it. I remember It took me 4 months to get to 80( I was 12 and enjoying my time, genuinely), about 1 month to get used to daily's and learning all the raids/dung. A month after that I was BiS dungeon gear. took me 3 months to get fully geared in PvP. 9 months and when I was done I couldn't wait to do it again on an alt. Now I fucking dread alts. I used to have max levels of every class. Not anymore. 9 months and my main is still missing Vital gear and my trinkets have yet to drop. Not only that but I have gotten the same offhand 11+ times now from my vault. It's been there every week. SO annoying.
In Classic Wotlk i will redeem myself, when i started playing wow with 3.3.5 i was a young boy, i couldn't speak any english let alone play an mmorpg. I was the hunter with high gear score doing 2k dps. I will create the same character with the same name and i promise i will succeed in my quest of redemption
If you do Arena then it can be super casual and fun. The chore of raiding at a fixed time, consumables, gold farming etc is a big turn off for me. PvP is pretty chill and to gear purely from it is great.
Same!! I played every Expansion but focused Raids. But after 2 or 3 months in every expansion i get an "burnout" for just raiding every week, looking to get my bufffood and flasks. But in MoP i played Arena with a Friend and it was still the best time i had in WoW. I think im gonna come back in Wotlk just for Battlegrounds and Arena
@@FrontScheib3 it’s a good plan. I enjoy that the most too, especially with friends.
if they over "buff" naxx and whitout rfd its not anymore....
As a casual player not having dungeon or raid finder is a major put off. I just want to be able to log in and experience the content. And before you say: just go play retail, we both know that’s not a valid argument.
Heroics in WOTLK are really easy, you cant make a group and do it with only some blues and be fine. WOTLK is very casual friendly compared to TBC with its reputation grind which is reasonable in WOTLK>
dude just play retail
@@masteredwinepps3955 😆
Retail has what you want lol, just play that, don't try to make Classic into retail
@@veritasabsoluta4285 Classic is literally easier than retail lmao
I played wrath casually when it was current and i'll do it again.
Totally depends on the community this, not the game itself lol
i never raid, and have a lot of fun, expecially leveling alts and professions , archives, so many things to do
Compared to Elden Ring, heck yes!
As a 50 year old looking to come back to this and quit after Legion I will be coming back casually and it was also so well done and discussed I wanted to sub to use this as a reference. Thank you so much good Sir
Great video, thank you! Played since release, casual since original TBC. Agree with everything said in this video.
I've tried to join raiding guilds and do mythics/heroics. But I just get burnt out before the second raid launches. This expansion, I'm joining a casual guild, and either joining their pickup groups, or joining pugs.
If I can beat Lich King on 10n with full stacks... that'd be fine with me
I wanted to play a warrior but I heard that I need to raid a ton in order to be strong for pvp.
Is that true and if so, which class is good for casual play? By casual play I don't mean "easy" class but the one that doesn't need raid gear in order to be strong
i dont enjoy any game casually, go hard or go home
POKER IN GOLDSHIRE INN HYPE, POKER IN GOLDSHIRE IN HYPE
Love the video and it speaks to fact of life. Sure you can market your business to the top 1% customer, but then you are only ever aiming for 1% of the total market. This is why retail became what it is today imo
Retail is a pile of shit.
Leaving out the RDF tool doesn't improve any social interaction, it just makes doing what you want to do more difficult and more time consuming. Worst thing about it is the missing teleport. I loved to level alts, and just teleport to dungeons in between. And that was back in the day when i had so much time.
If i wanna talk to ppl in 5 man dungeons, i can just start typing. Ususally you get a reply. And even if not, it's just a short dungeon. The players are the same, with or without the tool.
I really hope blizz will change their mind and make it more casua friendly and implement it, as it has been in vanilla. Community should be loud about this but casuals are usually not the ones, hanging out on forums to be heard. Just poll all active subscribed players for 2 weeks and go with the majority
That was a great take! Thank you