Great conversation. I agree with everything that was said. Vegan is not a diet it is a philosophy. You can't be a part time vegan, you are either against animal cruelty or you are not. If you can't commit to being vegan then it's best to describe yourself as eating a Whole food plant based diet. Whole food all plant diet is the best. My cat eats Evolution vegan non GMO food, he is thriving on it, I highly recommend it. I think people react the way they do to vegans because we are holding up a mirror to them and they don't like what they see so they want us to go away ! I wish someone had told me about The animal Holocaust,found out about by accident. The human species has very little to be proud of at this point in time. William Inge wrote "we have enslaved the rest of the Animal creation and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond a doubt if they were able to formulate a religion they would depict the devil in human form. If you are vegan don't remain silent,let people know what is going on,let them know how the animals are suffering in the factory farms, I wish someone had told me. No excuse for animal abuse !!
This is kind of ironic because for almost a decade he played a “vegan” vampire haha! He didn’t consume human blood because he found it unethical but, if he did consume would lose control and become a ripper (vampire that loses control due to unquenchable thirst). Paul seems like a good guy lots of different projects , writing and producing, still have yet to try their bourbon -Brothers Bond bourbon with Ian Somerhalder his screen vamp brother❤
If I were to be turned into a vampire as a vegan, I think I would still drink human blood but I won't kill for it because I don't have to. I would however, make a blood farm of those who are unworthy, like those fucking carnists, give them a taste of poetic justice...
I was always a fan, but now I am a HUGE fan. It's not easy being vegan with a majority of the population that just doesn't want to understand. I have so much respect for him being in the spotlight and wanting to influence people for the good of the animals, people, and planet. All of us vegans have that responsibility even if we can influence 1 person. Love this!
THROUGH THEIR EYES by Vivian Chinelli September 18, 2022 I look at suffering through the animal's eyes. It's not about me or not about you or how we feel or what we do. It's seeing things from their point of view that keeps me being vegan.
I really enjoyed this interview. I've been vegan 5 1/2 years. Strive for Whole Food Plant Based. Aren't they the same? No, when you eat whole foods you cut out so much of the "crap" of processed food. Oreos are vegan. Fritos are vegan. Vegan cheese, Beyond meat.....my point is , eat the pure whole food and your body will thank you. I'm NOT perfect and "vegan junk food" is in my diet some days. The goal started out as not wanting to eat my fellow beings on this earth. But, I soon learned that my health is impacted as much. I eat for me and the animals. I feel our Mother Earth isn't doomed, but we as humans are going to be made extinct. The earth is being killed but after humans are gone, the planet will regenerate its self. Thank you for all you do towards saving every animal ( as we are) on our earth.
I've been vegan for about the same amount of time as you have. Listening to the plant-based doctors talk about the importance of whole plant foods and no oil and no sugar really helped me on that one because that pretty much eliminates all of the processed vegan foods. Before that, those tortilla chips were my addictive, unhealthy snack. But my taste buds have changed so much since then, that if I tried them now, I'd probably feel like I just poured salt into my mouth and have to spit it out. You get used to what you do regularly. I like it because that's the way it should be ideally, eating real food.
What a great conversation! I think it makes such a difference when "known" people are openly vegan and share the animal rights message, reaching so many. Thank you!
My family went vegan when I was 6. It was always easy for me because as a kid I didn’t like milk, eggs,hated the gross iron fiberouse texture that’s left in your mouth after chewing meat. And didnt like the smell of cheese and oils! When I was older and we started eating more vegetarian the dairy grossed me out but I would find ways to tolerate it and ways I could MAKE myself like it. Once I started going to public school and eating more school lunch I gained weight and was sick. I ate foods because my friends did. By the time I was 17 I went fully vegan and went back to a healthy weight, hormones balanced and my athletic abilities went WAY up! I allowed myself to be in touch with how disturbing I found animal consumption and OWNED it!
His current project is Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, go support vegan works! Also, maybe do one with Sadie Sink next, after Stranger Things 4 and The Whale, she's truly on the rise! Attract the young demographic!
Subscribe to our podcast here, and listen to guests such as Dr Michael Greger, Moby, Dr Melanie Joy, Jessie J, Maggie Baird, The Korean Vegan and much more soundcloud.com/plantbasednews
THREE MEALS By Vivian Chinelli September 9, 2022 This morning he ate his pig and said, "She was a yummy meal, of course!" For lunch, he plans to eat his dog and for dinner, he'll eat his horse. He will say, "I need them for protein. Plus I gave them a good life," and yet, you probably disagree with Meal 2 and Meal 3, and are outraged by those choices, I bet. But a pig is a dog, is a horse, is a child. And we all feel joy and sadness. So be vegan and see the connection between us. Let's work to end all this madness.
One of the best discussion I ever watched. Both are very nice. Animal factory farms are horrible and it's a shame on human history. Yes, it is unsustainable and will disappear sooner or later.
This interview is very relatable, almost therapeutic. I think want to be a large animal vet, but in order to do that I would have to use discarded animals for training, which depending on what the situation was for them I may or may not be okay with, but I’d also have to do many other things like learn how to slaughter an animal. There’s also this training cow that each student gets. I’d have to inseminate them, birth and separate the calf, take the mother’s milk, take tests on when to stop milking, how to increase milk production, when to slaughter etc, and then my cow would get auctioned off and killed or eventually get killed. There are many other things too. So many questions in my head. Is it worth it? I want to work at a farm sanctuary I don’t need to know how to slaughter an animal or farm them for their milk, but then by doing these horrid things it would allow me to help animals and sanctuaries. But then again I could be a caregiver or something. But then again i know how much the veterinarian shortage is affecting the animals. Idk idk idk. It keeps me up at night. On a more selfish note, how could I live with myself knowing I did that to an animal? Idk..
It’s wild to me that Louisiana and areas of “agriculture” do not have a cleaner way of eating. Farmers cannot farm healthy anymore with row crops, pesticides etc.
This is BIG win my mother basically worship this dude always watching vampire dairy if she realizes Paul is vegan she will be fully done. She already is near edge vegan but rarely eating because others put meat in front of her. But if she has to be reminded everyday that her dream man is now vegan oh yes that should do it.
LOVE Paul Wesley here (never knew of him! ❤️✌️), but Robbie, you’re dead wrong that we shouldn’t “push ppl towards veganism”, but rather just “show them the way”… Clearly you don’t understand the role and impact that various forms of activism has on social change. (edit: and how ineffective “showing them the way” can often be) Really disappointed to hear you say this…
@@PLANTBASEDNEWS I think it means letting then know that meatless monday isn't enough. You know meatless mondays has been around forever and how effective has THAT been? It makes people think that they don't have to do that much. It's good enough to make the most insignificant changes and largely continue to stuff their face with tortured flesh
As far as lab grown meat is concerned from what I have seen online at the moment is far from being cruelty free it is absolutely horrendous and barbaric.The more people that go vegan the better,we need to think of the suffering of these poor animals
The recipe for one of Bramble's (25+ year-old vegan dog) regular meals is in Dr. Pitcairn's "Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats." Dr Pitcairn's guide is a well-known book on holistic vet care. Interestingly the latest edition included recipes and information on vegan feeding, and now a lot of non-vegans are angry about the change.
I've always been a huge fan of Paul, and the fact that he's vegan is so amazing! I wish more celebrities were like him. Love how he recognises the speciesism and is so focused on animal rights. Great interview, although I disagree with the host that 'showing people' is the best advocacy. I followed Earthling Ed for years but stayed a non-vegan. I hated 'preachy vegans', but then I saw Gary Yourofsky's speech. I was angry at first, then realised how hypocritical I was. That initial stubbornness does go away, and just because people are angry doesn't mean they'll never change. Focusing on the health/environmental aspect might make it easier for people to listen, but animal rights is what veganism is about. If we don't treat it like an urgent moral issue, people don't take it seriously
33:40 He says not everyone can afford to shop at whole foods or buy fancy vegan products. He is well aware that is a non-vegan argument that has been debunked.
what's the point of contention in that claim?? there are places where you will pay $36 for a watermelon, but only $12 for a whole chicken; on a tight budget, you don't have the luxury of choosing
@@lisanyugenhascancer6332 I would disagree that the reasons and motivations for such eating are the same. in addition to the fact that their diet is of poor quality, it is also very often insufficient in quantity. offer them meat and see what happens
@@v.a.n.e. i live in a third world country and no they don't wanna eat meat lol. They live the healthiest. 30% of population here is vegan and vegetarian and we have 1.3 billion people so count it yourself and ofc we are leading a better life than you who literally goes on every vegan video and comments as if you have no life that clearly you don't.
@@v.a.n.e. yes, we’ve seen what happens when these plant eating populations get meat, they get our osteoporosis, our cancers, our diabetes, our strokes, our Alzheimer’s, our heart disease. Look at tribal Africans versus African Americans. Look at the Japanese versus the Hawaiians. Populations with the same genes and the ones that opted to eat all this meat (African Americans and Hawaiians), have all our western diseases.
6:10 you are fighting against a global market that feeds human beings on a scale of 8.2 billion and is not prepared for change on your time line. For thousands of years humans have been domesticating animals to consume flora and byproducts/ wastes unfit for human consumption and convert that into food for humans. Just because you are able to buy vegan burgers at your local super market, doesn’t mean that the livestock in your local area aren’t being shipped out to a country that doesn’t have the soil fertility to produce enough food resources
25:08 I wish you guys would stop saying there are no differences between a pig and dog, etc. There are differences. There are always differences. I think I get what you mean -- _morally_ there's no difference between eating 1 vs. the other, but there are still differences.
@@tidytown3313 > Well they are different animals but both have the same worth! _sigh_ Not the whole 'worth' thing again. I thought we learned about this years ago? Worth, to whom? Things don't carry around with them an objective value called 'worth'. 'Worth' is in the eye of a specific actor.
@@amirrhodesve791 Absolutely fucking not, they are but a childish fantasy held onto by people who want to imagine they are free or that Reality cares about them in some special way. What other animal besides humans deludes themselves into thinking they have "rights"?
@@trentonharris7676 we have rights cause we have awareness like no other species that's why. It's that's simple we have the awareness to know what's right and wrong animals don't. And we have a responsibility to take advantage of that awareness and make it so everyone has rights and is equal we have evolved to have rights and we can give them rights to animals because of our awareness.
@@amirrhodesve791 No, little boy, there are no such things as "right and wrong". In reality, there is only action and reaction. Tell me, entitled one, what "rights" do you believe you have?
Climatarian. Vegan for the Nature Crisis.Breaking Boundaries on Netflicks by David Attenborough, about how we have gone too far and mitigation is the only way forward.
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Paul seems very down to earth and nice
He is a lovely chap!
So poetic that the actor of Stefan, a 'vegan' vampire', goes vegan in his real life.
Great conversation. I agree with everything that was said.
Vegan is not a diet it is a philosophy.
You can't be a part time vegan, you are either against animal cruelty or you are not.
If you can't commit to being vegan then it's best to describe yourself as eating a Whole food plant based diet.
Whole food all plant diet is the best.
My cat eats Evolution vegan non GMO food, he is thriving on it, I highly recommend it.
I think people react the way they do to vegans because we are holding up a mirror to them and they don't like what they see so they want us to go away !
I wish someone had told me about The animal Holocaust,found out about by accident.
The human species has very little to be proud of at this point in time.
William Inge wrote "we have enslaved the rest of the Animal creation and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond a doubt if they were able to formulate a religion they would depict the devil in human form.
If you are vegan don't remain silent,let people know what is going on,let them know how the animals are suffering in the factory farms, I wish someone had told me.
No excuse for animal abuse !!
This guy has some serious character. Able to reflect, change. I love it. Integrity especially in that industry. 👌 great interview
This is kind of ironic because for almost a decade he played a “vegan” vampire haha! He didn’t consume human blood because he found it unethical but, if he did consume would lose control and become a ripper (vampire that loses control due to unquenchable thirst). Paul seems like a good guy lots of different projects , writing and producing, still have yet to try their bourbon -Brothers Bond bourbon with Ian Somerhalder his screen vamp brother❤
If I were to be turned into a vampire as a vegan, I think I would still drink human blood but I won't kill for it because I don't have to. I would however, make a blood farm of those who are unworthy, like those fucking carnists, give them a taste of poetic justice...
I was always a fan, but now I am a HUGE fan. It's not easy being vegan with a majority of the population that just doesn't want to understand. I have so much respect for him being in the spotlight and wanting to influence people for the good of the animals, people, and planet. All of us vegans have that responsibility even if we can influence 1 person. Love this!
Smart human beings can recognize their own mistakes
Good job to him :)
I was such a die hard vampire diary fan, huge crush on him, now I’m in love, lmao.
New Kirk is vegan? This is great news. I now approve his casting lol
I like this guy. Didn't know about him before watching this. I appreciate how genuine he is. It was a lovely conversation.
THROUGH THEIR EYES
by Vivian Chinelli
September 18, 2022
I look at suffering through the animal's eyes.
It's not about me or not about you or how we feel or what we do.
It's seeing things from their point of view that keeps me being vegan.
I really enjoyed this interview. I've been vegan 5 1/2 years. Strive for Whole Food Plant Based. Aren't they the same? No, when you eat whole foods you cut out so much of the "crap" of processed food. Oreos are vegan. Fritos are vegan. Vegan cheese, Beyond meat.....my point is , eat the pure whole food and your body will thank you. I'm NOT perfect and "vegan junk food" is in my diet some days. The goal started out as not wanting to eat my fellow beings on this earth. But, I soon learned that my health is impacted as much. I eat for me and the animals.
I feel our Mother Earth isn't doomed, but we as humans are going to be made extinct. The earth is being killed but after humans are gone, the planet will regenerate its self.
Thank you for all you do towards saving every animal ( as we are) on our earth.
I've been vegan for about the same amount of time as you have. Listening to the plant-based doctors talk about the importance of whole plant foods and no oil and no sugar really helped me on that one because that pretty much eliminates all of the processed vegan foods. Before that, those tortilla chips were my addictive, unhealthy snack. But my taste buds have changed so much since then, that if I tried them now, I'd probably feel like I just poured salt into my mouth and have to spit it out. You get used to what you do regularly. I like it because that's the way it should be ideally, eating real food.
i relate to how he feels about when you bring up the word vegan to friends or anyone they do get offended...ive been vegan 2 years and i love it!! 😊
What a great conversation! I think it makes such a difference when "known" people are openly vegan and share the animal rights message, reaching so many. Thank you!
It's time to stop supporting animal abuse!
Such a great interview! ❤
Thank you so much! 😀
My family went vegan when I was 6. It was always easy for me because as a kid I didn’t like milk, eggs,hated the gross iron fiberouse texture that’s left in your mouth after chewing meat. And didnt like the smell of cheese and oils! When I was older and we started eating more vegetarian the dairy grossed me out but I would find ways to tolerate it and ways I could MAKE myself like it. Once I started going to public school and eating more school lunch I gained weight and was sick. I ate foods because my friends did. By the time I was 17 I went fully vegan and went back to a healthy weight, hormones balanced and my athletic abilities went WAY up! I allowed myself to be in touch with how disturbing I found animal consumption and OWNED it!
His current project is Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, go support vegan works!
Also, maybe do one with Sadie Sink next, after Stranger Things 4 and The Whale, she's truly on the rise! Attract the young demographic!
Subscribe to our podcast here, and listen to guests such as Dr Michael Greger, Moby, Dr Melanie Joy, Jessie J, Maggie Baird, The Korean Vegan and much more soundcloud.com/plantbasednews
I really enjoyed this relaxed and informative conversation!
I loved this conversation 💗 so thoughtful and insightful
THREE MEALS
By Vivian Chinelli
September 9, 2022
This morning he ate his pig and said, "She was a yummy meal, of course!"
For lunch, he plans to eat his dog and for dinner, he'll eat his horse.
He will say, "I need them for protein. Plus I gave them a good life," and yet, you probably disagree with Meal 2 and Meal 3, and are outraged by those choices, I bet.
But a pig is a dog, is
a horse, is a child. And we all feel joy and sadness.
So be vegan and see the connection between us. Let's work to end all this madness.
Great talk! Thanks Rob x 🎉
Amaaaazeee I didn't know he is vegan! Mooore
Great interview that covers so many difficult subjects for vegans, for example pet food.
All the best to both of you 🌱🌱💖💖
What a treasure of a human.
An excellent interview, thank you for making it.
Omg I didn’t know you had a podcast!!!! Yay!! 🎉❤
Used to watch him on VD, back when I was in high school. I love him and Ian, they are amazing. 💚💚 Such sweet guys.
Have you tried their Brothers Bond Bourbon yet?
@@lizf3325 I haven’t, cuz I don’t drink.
I’d buy a bottle just to support them tho. 😊
What a super gratifying conversation!
One of the best discussion I ever watched. Both are very nice. Animal factory farms are horrible and it's a shame on human history. Yes, it is unsustainable and will disappear sooner or later.
.....people feel threatened that they don't have ,,freedom,, to kill animals????.....I guess they do........that's absolutely bizarre for me...
This interview is very relatable, almost therapeutic. I think want to be a large animal vet, but in order to do that I would have to use discarded animals for training, which depending on what the situation was for them I may or may not be okay with, but I’d also have to do many other things like learn how to slaughter an animal. There’s also this training cow that each student gets. I’d have to inseminate them, birth and separate the calf, take the mother’s milk, take tests on when to stop milking, how to increase milk production, when to slaughter etc, and then my cow would get auctioned off and killed or eventually get killed. There are many other things too. So many questions in my head. Is it worth it? I want to work at a farm sanctuary I don’t need to know how to slaughter an animal or farm them for their milk, but then by doing these horrid things it would allow me to help animals and sanctuaries. But then again I could be a caregiver or something. But then again i know how much the veterinarian shortage is affecting the animals. Idk idk idk. It keeps me up at night. On a more selfish note, how could I live with myself knowing I did that to an animal? Idk..
It’s wild to me that Louisiana and areas of “agriculture” do not have a cleaner way of eating. Farmers cannot farm healthy anymore with row crops, pesticides etc.
Paul is my favorite vampire and now I love him more 😍
This is BIG win my mother basically worship this dude always watching vampire dairy if she realizes Paul is vegan she will be fully done. She already is near edge vegan but rarely eating because others put meat in front of her. But if she has to be reminded everyday that her dream man is now vegan oh yes that should do it.
Great Interview
I haven't considered meat and other animal product being used as stage props. Which is in every movie.
Love this
LOVE Paul Wesley here (never knew of him! ❤️✌️), but Robbie, you’re dead wrong that we shouldn’t “push ppl towards veganism”, but rather just “show them the way”… Clearly you don’t understand the role and impact that various forms of activism has on social change. (edit: and how ineffective “showing them the way” can often be) Really disappointed to hear you say this…
how should we “push” people? what do you do to “push” people? and how effective has this been?
@@PLANTBASEDNEWS I think it means letting then know that meatless monday isn't enough. You know meatless mondays has been around forever and how effective has THAT been? It makes people think that they don't have to do that much. It's good enough to make the most insignificant changes and largely continue to stuff their face with tortured flesh
Actually since most people are vegetables, vampires are vegan.
Paul Wesley je suis Fan de vous émissions ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
As far as lab grown meat is concerned from what I have seen online at the moment is far from being cruelty free it is absolutely horrendous and barbaric.The more people that go vegan the better,we need to think of the suffering of these poor animals
Paul is plant based?! 😱
I had no idea.
😭💜💜💜
🎉
Calling milk "pus" is hateful of females.
Vegan 💜🌱
when was the filmed please??
I see Paul has a wedding ring on, is this a current video? Has he married Natelie?
❤️
He is so nice
25:00 painting
The best podcast I´ve ever heard.
I wonder what a vegan activist would do if they had become an Immortal Vampire 🧛🌱
Use their power to force everyone to become vegan, wish it could be that easy...
The recipe for one of Bramble's (25+ year-old vegan dog) regular meals is in Dr. Pitcairn's "Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats." Dr Pitcairn's guide is a well-known book on holistic vet care. Interestingly the latest edition included recipes and information on vegan feeding, and now a lot of non-vegans are angry about the change.
great interview.
I've always been a huge fan of Paul, and the fact that he's vegan is so amazing! I wish more celebrities were like him. Love how he recognises the speciesism and is so focused on animal rights. Great interview, although I disagree with the host that 'showing people' is the best advocacy. I followed Earthling Ed for years but stayed a non-vegan. I hated 'preachy vegans', but then I saw Gary Yourofsky's speech. I was angry at first, then realised how hypocritical I was. That initial stubbornness does go away, and just because people are angry doesn't mean they'll never change. Focusing on the health/environmental aspect might make it easier for people to listen, but animal rights is what veganism is about. If we don't treat it like an urgent moral issue, people don't take it seriously
33:40 He says not everyone can afford to shop at whole foods or buy fancy vegan products. He is well aware that is a non-vegan argument that has been debunked.
what's the point of contention in that claim?? there are places where you will pay $36 for a watermelon, but only $12 for a whole chicken; on a tight budget, you don't have the luxury of choosing
@@v.a.n.e. luZUrY. Tell that to is in third world countries eating vegan.
@@lisanyugenhascancer6332
I would disagree that the reasons and motivations for such eating are the same. in addition to the fact that their diet is of poor quality, it is also very often insufficient in quantity. offer them meat and see what happens
@@v.a.n.e. i live in a third world country and no they don't wanna eat meat lol. They live the healthiest. 30% of population here is vegan and vegetarian and we have 1.3 billion people so count it yourself and ofc we are leading a better life than you who literally goes on every vegan video and comments as if you have no life that clearly you don't.
@@v.a.n.e. yes, we’ve seen what happens when these plant eating populations get meat, they get our osteoporosis, our cancers, our diabetes, our strokes, our Alzheimer’s, our heart disease. Look at tribal Africans versus African Americans. Look at the Japanese versus the Hawaiians. Populations with the same genes and the ones that opted to eat all this meat (African Americans and Hawaiians), have all our western diseases.
6:10 you are fighting against a global market that feeds human beings on a scale of 8.2 billion and is not prepared for change on your time line. For thousands of years humans have been domesticating animals to consume flora and byproducts/ wastes unfit for human consumption and convert that into food for humans. Just because you are able to buy vegan burgers at your local super market, doesn’t mean that the livestock in your local area aren’t being shipped out to a country that doesn’t have the soil fertility to produce enough food resources
have often said to companies I care what is in the pet food tin, with cats I care about the animals in the tin as much as our pets
Great interview. Thanks to both of you.
well done
So truee
You know?
Yes.
25:08 I wish you guys would stop saying there are no differences between a pig and dog, etc. There are differences. There are always differences. I think I get what you mean -- _morally_ there's no difference between eating 1 vs. the other, but there are still differences.
No there's not
Well they are different animals but both have the same worth!
@@tidytown3313 everybody knows but ofc but they are no different in ways that matter.
Youre right, pigs are smarter.
@@tidytown3313 > Well they are different animals but both have the same worth!
_sigh_ Not the whole 'worth' thing again. I thought we learned about this years ago?
Worth, to whom? Things don't carry around with them an objective value called 'worth'. 'Worth' is in the eye of a specific actor.
There are no such things as "rights" human or otherwise.
So you don't think humans can have rights?
@@amirrhodesve791 Absolutely fucking not, they are but a childish fantasy held onto by people who want to imagine they are free or that Reality cares about them in some special way. What other animal besides humans deludes themselves into thinking they have "rights"?
@@trentonharris7676 we have rights cause we have awareness like no other species that's why. It's that's simple we have the awareness to know what's right and wrong animals don't. And we have a responsibility to take advantage of that awareness and make it so everyone has rights and is equal we have evolved to have rights and we can give them rights to animals because of our awareness.
@@amirrhodesve791 No, little boy, there are no such things as "right and wrong". In reality, there is only action and reaction. Tell me, entitled one, what "rights" do you believe you have?
google search history of every vegan: why am I constantly hungry?
F*** off. If you don’t wanna be vegan then don’t watch this or go on this channel
thank you; I wasn't even trying
You reply to all videos with nonsense and this is known lol?
@@ruthietherainbowroo
let's not go overboard, shall we? not all videos are nonsense. some really are, but I wouldn't say exactly all
@@v.a.n.e. what IS always nonsense though, is your insight and judgement.
Climatarian. Vegan for the Nature Crisis.Breaking Boundaries on Netflicks by David Attenborough, about how we have gone too far and mitigation is the only way forward.