In the United states car is not street legal without a Wind Screen, there the 170R.. Great to see Tiff still has the Fearless Competitive Edge, he's still a sharp blade like Knight 👦🏻👍🏻🏞🏁 Awesome looking track too, looks like great fun. Thanks for sharing
@@4039byrne I'm in Los Angeles California where if you have a RagTop Thugs would break in to try and Nick it or steal anything from inside it. Air Conditioning is very important too me, it was a 103 F (39.44 C) Therefore for me it is a FastBack Mustang currently driving a Performance Pack 2 2016 and enjoying Pacific Coast Highway in it. Incidentally, returned from there no internet, 1 Petrol Station with in 400 miles of either side n a winding canyon coastal road. I even have footage of it and fueled half a tank 7.5 gallons at $64.00 USA it's $8.50 / gallon in February it was $7.50, thanks to Biden Administration initiative for only Electric in 2030 he upset Middle East and they won't sell fuel to USA.
This looks like an excellent "fun weekend car": barebones and lightweight means the experience is intense at any speed and the low power means it's hard to get in trouble. I would like to see some footage of the car being driven on b-roads or mountain roads.
I have a crossflow 7 with 167hp, but I believe that virtually all flavours of Caterham will bring a smile to your face, I also am lucky enough to own a powerful German sportscar but the Seven is always the go to ride if I just want to have fun driving and that fun doesn't have to start at the licence losing speeds. I can't count the number of times I've just 'popped out' to get fuel or some other items and come back home hours later with less gas than I started with.
Give me some of this type of driving over the massive hp stars that catch all the headlines these days! I think I might prefer a similar style lotus Elise but just about anything that I can drive at ten tenths all day will make me happy!
Massive horsepower is not for driving fun for sure, plus i think there are more than enough pure drivers cars out there to satisfy our list, it’s just that like you said, they mega flashy stuff gets most of the attention and the coverage, not many are aware of the simpler sports cars unless you dig deeper. They’re like the diamond in the rough, Alpine A110, prime example. Still, that’s not to say a F8 Tributo or a Rimac Nevera aren’t cool, it depends on what speaks to you.
You can buy an older on for half the money or less and get the same fun. I bought a 1700 crossflow with a 135 bhp a few years ago. Great fun and I lost less than £600 pounds when I sold it four years later. They are easy to service, just make sure that you have somewhere to keep it secure.
That looks enormous fun. I read some where it’s £6,000 down payment & £200 a month. Don’t know what spec that was, probably base & build it your self but still not that expensive
Terrific video! That looked as fun as I thought it would. I think the old adage "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow" really shows! I like the old school narrow tires and compliant suspension. Ah, we gotta enjoy this last blast of internal combustion fun before electric power seals its fate.
It’s not like EVs can’t be fun, you just have to remind yourself to not think about V8s and enjoy EVs for what they are. Even the Mercedes EQS can be really cool, it makes a famtastic whirring noise in sports mode and it’s the closest challenger to Tesla we’ve seen yet. Just a shame it looks so strange.
@@magnustan841 - Well, I own a BMW i3 and it's a fantastic commuter car. It's quiet, offers prodigious acceleration, allows for one-pedal driving and easy charging at home. However, the drive is rather antiseptic. And frankly, the acceleration gets one dimensional after a while. A ICE Caterham would be a polar opposite... visceral, involving, loud, elemental, throttle/clutch and shifter action that rewards deft application... THAT is driving machine. That's not to say there won't be fun EV's out there, but at present, it's a bit tepid for me.
@@apexerman1 It’s early days for EVs, they’ve only been around for 10 years, with hardly any EV sports cars, so we don’t have any reference to compare EV with ICE. But if the Porsche Taycan is anything to go by, we can be optimistic for the EV equivalent of the Cayman/Boxster. Also can’t wait for brands like Lotus and Alpine make one too, or even maybe even Caterham.
@@apexerman1 Yeah, plus because there’s no engine to cloud people’s perception, the electric sports car will be truly be differentiated on how they feel and how communicative they are through the bends and how easy they are to use as everyday tools.
If you want a car like these get one now! The future is going to be robot pods organized by uber apps. Even owning an ordinary car will be as unusual as owning a steam traction engine. So do it ASAP, I just bought a 160s :)
Nice video, but it would have been nice to know a bit more about how each drove. Was the 'sports' suspension worth it? And how does this model compare to buying a used Caterham for about £20-22k? Is the the 84bhp lacking on road compared to say a K-Series or Sigma powered Seven?
I imagine they have very healthy margins on these cars. Everything about them is inexpensive and easy to produce. That's why we can buy these awesome machines for cheap and drive circles around most other people at the track day.
I reckon if you bought the base model, and left out a few screws putting it together, you could achieve R model power to weight and spend the rest on track fees!
OK, how far do I need to have a 170S taken apart so that I can import it to the US? Caterham USA's website does not really cover this car. 84 HP would be plenty for me in such a light car.
Might be camera trickery but im sure Paul`s track driving has improved alot since his caterham racing ,obviously is a better driver than me but just saying....😜
Why aren’t the floors lowered as standard, then if you are a real shortarse you can just pay for 4 spacers at a couple quid each, doubt many are so small they won’t be able to see over the scuttle of a caterham
My sort of car, no computer between you and the road, cheap so when I crash it no problems. Learnt as a teenager horsepower isn't a metric needed for fun and rear wheel drive is. Only question does it come in a fat boy version?
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@@kignacio 100% agree. I used to have a 165hp/320kg motorcycle and felt it's straight line performance was spot on and exactly what I would like for a lightweight sports car.
Would you take the 170S or the 170R?
S
170R, looks amazing with those seats.
In the United states car is not street legal without a Wind Screen, there the 170R.. Great to see Tiff still has the Fearless Competitive Edge, he's still a sharp blade like Knight 👦🏻👍🏻🏞🏁 Awesome looking track too, looks like great fun. Thanks for sharing
I'd like a few creature comforts so I think the s for me. Although I'm pretty sure me being 6ft 5 I can't fit in one anyway
@@4039byrne I'm in Los Angeles California where if you have a RagTop Thugs would break in to try and Nick it or steal anything from inside it. Air Conditioning is very important too me, it was a 103 F (39.44 C)
Therefore for me it is a FastBack Mustang currently driving a Performance Pack 2 2016 and enjoying Pacific Coast Highway in it. Incidentally, returned from there no internet, 1 Petrol Station with in 400 miles of either side n a winding canyon coastal road. I even have footage of it and fueled half a tank 7.5 gallons at $64.00 USA it's $8.50 / gallon in February it was $7.50, thanks to Biden Administration initiative for only Electric in 2030 he upset Middle East and they won't sell fuel to USA.
This looks like an excellent "fun weekend car": barebones and lightweight means the experience is intense at any speed and the low power means it's hard to get in trouble.
I would like to see some footage of the car being driven on b-roads or mountain roads.
This pretty much sums it up! Caterham have lots of footage on their website!
It's not 'low power' in a car that weight. Yes, you can still get into trouble. (I know from experience).
Exactly what i was looking for. Please make another video about this little gem, i can't get enough of this !
We'll see what we can do! Head over to Caterham to see more though! 👍
I have a crossflow 7 with 167hp, but I believe that virtually all flavours of Caterham will bring a smile to your face, I also am lucky enough to own a powerful German sportscar but the Seven is always the go to ride if I just want to have fun driving and that fun doesn't have to start at the licence losing speeds. I can't count the number of times I've just 'popped out' to get fuel or some other items and come back home hours later with less gas than I started with.
Exactly the same as with mine.
This perfectly sums up the feeling of throwing a Caterham round a track. Pure fun. Smiles all day.
Give me some of this type of driving over the massive hp stars that catch all the headlines these days!
I think I might prefer a similar style lotus Elise but just about anything that I can drive at ten tenths all day will make me happy!
The most fun you can have behind the wheel of a car! 👍
Massive horsepower is not for driving fun for sure, plus i think there are more than enough pure drivers cars out there to satisfy our list, it’s just that like you said, they mega flashy stuff gets most of the attention and the coverage, not many are aware of the simpler sports cars unless you dig deeper. They’re like the diamond in the rough, Alpine A110, prime example. Still, that’s not to say a F8 Tributo or a Rimac Nevera aren’t cool, it depends on what speaks to you.
Not many cars on track you can perform celebratory fist bumps whilst in motion 😎🏁
Tiff you're a lunatic, but we love you for it.
legend
would have to be the R
I love how Tiff is chattering away like he knows nothing about Caterham, yet he has driven plenty over the years!
I never tire of Tiff's antics ... what a legend!
Since its release I've been so close to pushing the order button, on the configurator, so many times...
You can buy an older on for half the money or less and get the same fun. I bought a 1700 crossflow with a 135 bhp a few years ago. Great fun and I lost less than £600 pounds when I sold it four years later. They are easy to service, just make sure that you have somewhere to keep it secure.
I will visit the Open Day at Caterham at April 30, can' t wait to see these models for real.
That looks enormous fun. I read some where it’s £6,000 down payment & £200 a month. Don’t know what spec that was, probably base & build it your self but still not that expensive
It’s cash only over here 🇺🇸😭
Bizarrely, this was one of the great motor racing videos for me. Well done chaps 👏
Terrific video! That looked as fun as I thought it would. I think the old adage "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow" really shows! I like the old school narrow tires and compliant suspension. Ah, we gotta enjoy this last blast of internal combustion fun before electric power seals its fate.
It’s not like EVs can’t be fun, you just have to remind yourself to not think about V8s and enjoy EVs for what they are. Even the Mercedes EQS can be really cool, it makes a famtastic whirring noise in sports mode and it’s the closest challenger to Tesla we’ve seen yet. Just a shame it looks so strange.
@@magnustan841 - Well, I own a BMW i3 and it's a fantastic commuter car. It's quiet, offers prodigious acceleration, allows for one-pedal driving and easy charging at home. However, the drive is rather antiseptic. And frankly, the acceleration gets one dimensional after a while. A ICE Caterham would be a polar opposite... visceral, involving, loud, elemental, throttle/clutch and shifter action that rewards deft application... THAT is driving machine. That's not to say there won't be fun EV's out there, but at present, it's a bit tepid for me.
@@apexerman1 It’s early days for EVs, they’ve only been around for 10 years, with hardly any EV sports cars, so we don’t have any reference to compare EV with ICE. But if the Porsche Taycan is anything to go by, we can be optimistic for the EV equivalent of the Cayman/Boxster. Also can’t wait for brands like Lotus and Alpine make one too, or even maybe even Caterham.
@@magnustan841 - It'll be a different kind of fun, that's for sure.
@@apexerman1 Yeah, plus because there’s no engine to cloud people’s perception, the electric sports car will be truly be differentiated on how they feel and how communicative they are through the bends and how easy they are to use as everyday tools.
That 170r looks so much fun...
If you want a car like these get one now!
The future is going to be robot pods organized by uber apps. Even owning an ordinary car will be as unusual as owning a steam traction engine.
So do it ASAP, I just bought a 160s :)
Love the super 7 since watching the prisoner
It's a great little car! 👍
Awesome!! These little 170 Caterhams look like great fun! Dare I say it....looks like PW had the edge on Tiff around the track too? Surely not!
So..what are they like to drive on the road
Given all the effort in telling us in this video, they have road suspension fitted.
Tiff is always my HERO
Never wanted to have a go in a "new" car more this
0-60 is indeed not important, there's a Tesla for that.
This looks like tremendous fun.
How much fun did they have🤩👌
Always great to watch a race like this one.
Really enjoyed this video. Great to see you both racing each other.
Great video lads!! I smiled all the way through that.
440 kg that’s impressive
Brilliant! Either would do, as long as Caterham put them together for me!
Paul matches the seats. Must of set the tanning bed to biscuit.
Nice video, but it would have been nice to know a bit more about how each drove. Was the 'sports' suspension worth it? And how does this model compare to buying a used Caterham for about £20-22k? Is the the 84bhp lacking on road compared to say a K-Series or Sigma powered Seven?
They are very fun toys!🏁
I love them!💕
graphical definition of fun
Tiff always complains about Paul's hand gestures....but Tiff was doing semaphore!
Id love to know the actual cost for caterham to produce these at this point.
I imagine they have very healthy margins on these cars. Everything about them is inexpensive and easy to produce. That's why we can buy these awesome machines for cheap and drive circles around most other people at the track day.
I reckon if you bought the base model, and left out a few screws putting it together, you could achieve R model power to weight and spend the rest on track fees!
Thats was very enjoyable to watch
What a fun car😳😍 !
"With Tiff now comfortable" - So funny!
Amazing car, amazing video🤝
Did he scrape the underneath at 4.44?
The R, always 😊
OK, how far do I need to have a 170S taken apart so that I can import it to the US? Caterham USA's website does not really cover this car. 84 HP would be plenty for me in such a light car.
Great vid but how do they compare? Especially whether a limited slip diff is worth it at this power?
Just brilliant nuff said
Might be camera trickery but im sure Paul`s track driving has improved alot since his caterham racing ,obviously is a better driver than me but just saying....😜
😂
I love the "less is more" philosophy, but the entry level 170S is 56k GBP in Denmark.... And you are not getting a whole lot for that money
Why some much? Taxes?
We have 150 percent tax on registration of motor vehicles over a certain price point (only a couple thousand dollars).
Tiffffffff! Im off to drive his Lister Storm in AC now.
Great Tiff!
Aaarh, the sweet K6A sound - not far off the F6A
what a car...
DIVERTIMENTO ALLO STATO PURO...DOVE L’ELETTRONICA NON C’È O POCA,VA SEMPRE MEGLIO...
That was a great video. Made my day. Both of you in one car is a bit like Waldorf & Stadler :)
I take the "R" - thank you :)
やっぱいいなぁケータハム。
欲しい！
I enjoyed watching the Video 😄
Cool video!
Hasn't there been a 160 with this drivetrain for about 7 years?
Released in 2013, yeah.
The 160 was discontinued for a while so this is the ‘revival’ of the philosophy I guess.
Yes but the original engine got discontinued by Suzuki I believe and this is the replacement engine so new model 👍🏻
No- the 170 has a A-Frame rear end like the bigger HP caterhams and also now comes with LSD in R spec form
Didn’t realise you could get one for less than 30k… now I’m dreaming 😂😍
Why aren’t the floors lowered as standard, then if you are a real shortarse you can just pay for 4 spacers at a couple quid each, doubt many are so small they won’t be able to see over the scuttle of a caterham
Paul, did I see you floating around at the Monza GP?
My sort of car, no computer between you and the road, cheap so when I crash it no problems. Learnt as a teenager horsepower isn't a metric needed for fun and rear wheel drive is. Only question does it come in a fat boy version?
There is an SV, slightly longer and wider, I’m 6’ 2” and fit comfortably 👍
When do the new catherham racing vid come?
a 4 wheeled motorcycle.
0-60??
6.9 seconds! 🤫
@@lovecarsTV not bad.. thank you Sir
You're welcome!
Dreamy
Smell for leather
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...With the Delta virus coming at full speed ahead, pandemic sales will make a comeback.
Amazon's not going anywhere so I know that eventually it will come back.
Fidelity considers Amazon as a large growth company (probably because as big as it is, it still only has 7% of the retail market)
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Get on board or be runover, it's up to you.
I'm not a horsepower snob but 85 isn't really enough for me even at only 450kg. 130 ish would be about right.... initially at least haha
Yeah if a 500lb motorcycle needs 85hp then I could see this needing to break at least 100. But fun at speed/momentum no doubt. And downhills.
@@kignacio 100% agree. I used to have a 165hp/320kg motorcycle and felt it's straight line performance was spot on and exactly what I would like for a lightweight sports car.
Why oh why is it so narrow in the interior!
Why would it need to be any bigger?
Because that part of the car was designed almost 70 years ago. :D
They need to make a version for people taller than 190cm
@@Kraven83 They do make the SV Seven, although not in this version, it's both wider and longer in the cockpit dimensions.
More expensive than Polaris Slingshot with half the power
Yeah, but one has to look at a Slingshot. That's bad for your eyes.
@@apexerman1 no argument there. I'm just saying I wish the Cat was MUCH cheaper and on sale as such in the US
@@jamesengland7461 - I hear ya!
Meeh...
They are cool cars but way overpriced. They could probably sell these for half the money
did he just say 660cc? so it should do somewhere 80mpg on fuel consumption... but not with the way this 2 hooligans are driving. LOL
👍👍👍 🧚 🇫🇮
Wankers nearly wrecked ....... Just drive !
looks like a chinese copy
That's how you know it's authentic.
Fek SD.
There is only one bigger Joke than this Car, the price for it 😆
Caterham is dead. Next to come, the full electro Caterham for 100 k 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂