🏍🔥mavuika will be strong as both dps and sub dps, but she has enough weaknesses covered in this video where you can skip and continue working on your existing teams if you are unable to invest properly into her exodia pieces. 🏍🔥but if you can invest well and give hoyo what they (clearly) want with this banner schedule, then you will be rewarded. 🏍🔥 but don't fall for the hype, because if you do, you are probably the type of person who will also fall for the hype with the next hyped DPS and archtype system in a few months, and drop your natlan toys like the toy story meme. don't be a sucka!
Absolutely agree and loved your take on the hsr analogy, if you want to build a team around her you should do it and not fall into the hype train of next new dps and archetypes. I hope genshin doesn't become like hsr and start introducing these baits fast enough to create fomo and powercreep
This is singlehandedly why you are not a shill and on my "he's not a shill" permanent list. Love you, dude. All the HYV media server meat riders are gonna shill and have screenshot per second BS that will con innocent people out of their cash and be able to sleep at night knowing what suffering and evil that they inflicted. Pure satanic tbh. But here you are, a light in the Darkness fighting back against this BS.
Hoyo putting 2 new characters without an increase of primogems or increasing the banner duration has to be one of the scummiest thing ihv ever seen in a gacha game
@@shironasama0445honestly idc if she did, I think they could just make her have a clause that when using her outside of natlan character centric teams the vape multiplier is lower, id rather her buff natlan dpses rather than be better than natlan dpses and make her not powercreep xiangling completely
If only she gave a big ATK buff with her burst instead of the millionth DMG% increase. It's insane how Bennett has been warping the design of ATK scalers since forever completely undisputed. It's impossible to run 2 ATK scalers in their optimal team or even just 1 if you simply don't like Bennett or circle gaming. All OG supports got some competition over time, except the one that needed it the most due to monopolizing a whole stat and practically gimping the ATK dps you can't afford to run with him by simply existing. I've never seen this much role gatekeeping in a game before. I waited so excitedly for the Pyro archon as a potential ATK buffer to finally be able to play certain DPS at the level they're meant to be, but instead the archon herself needs Bennett... Actually losing it
dude an atk% buffer would literally be preferential towards 5 stars + 5 star weapons. i don’t understand the need to release another bennett reliant dps i really dont
I like that she can be used both as an op main dps especially melt (which was underwhelming until now) and a sub dps in many teams plus she has massive exploration benefits so I'm definitely pulling
The exploration benefits are lackluster outside of natlan. Dont get blinded by natlan exploration, benefits, they might last 9 months at best (and probably not work during summer event map)
@rottuce i will not click on an iwtl video. Just from the numbers I saw going around, she isnt doing anything that the other explorations dont already do
As someone who doesn’t want to use a budget Mavuika(no sig, no chev c6, no ororan, no Citlali, etc.) I’m perfectly fine skipping this patch. Funnily enough, Mavuika’s release gave me the motivation to properly build my Xiangling lol
@@avery3154 My c6 xl 250 er, c1 Hu Tao with homa and Arle 80/200 crit are built too. But I got 300 pulls saved up and I have Xilonen so.... Am still pulling for Mavuika and Citlali 😂😂
Finally somebody who doesn't just do "all positive" mavuika guide. Like holy most other tcer and even the mavuika group have been absolutely useless cause they never talk about the flaws of mavuika.
Honestly that's my issue with the CC program. I feel MHY only selects those that are too positive or don't actually do serious TC analysis on purpose. Nothing against those creators personally, but MHY treats them very much as marketing first and information is not a priority.
@@anegg1464only reason why she's "restricted" is because we haven't gotten a Proper Mavuika 4* support. I think Kachina was supposed to be Xilonen lite but unfortunately, she sucks and is built as a dps/ subdps. That's where hoyo fcked up. At least when they released Furina, we had Charlotte which works well with her.
Some people don't want another DPS to build a whole new team around; they just want more supports to make their existing DPS's look good. IDC about that though, I'm gonna build her to deal damage while looking cool and styling on her enemies like the badass that she is.
That's me if I decided to pull her 😂. Really not a fan of mounted combat, I prefer if the caharacter just uses bike as weapon on their atack strings like Dante fron DMC.
Yeah, it's not that bad of a way to play her. It won't be using her to "full potential" but she still will do high off-field damage and eventually she'll build 200 FS from off-field to nuke the field and go back being pyro Fischl. Plus buffing the team if you use Scroll on her.
8:00 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: We finally have a TCer who actually understands and recognises that Sara is an incredible character. Seriously Jamie - the amount of people who write of Sara.... If you do a Sara Guide, that might help a lot in fixing the narrative.
'Incredible' is really stretching it, her buff only lasts for 6 seconds, she needs her C6, with Chlorinde or Keqing teams she sometimes has ER issues, she forces 20 second rotations or needs you to skip her burst in certain rotations, all in all can be quite clunky to play.... pretty much only recommendable in speedrun Chlorinde or C2+ Raiden.
Thanks! Whilst I haven’t made a specific Sara guide video, I’ve covered her quite a lot for example a video 2 years ago called Why Aggravate isn’t carried by Fischl. Also The Truth about Raiden. You can check those out to learn more
The only real nice thing about Genshins recent acceleration of powercreep is if I don't like the new best dps (ceiling-wise) for gameplay reasons I only have to wait another 6 months for next biggest dps to be out and they might have gameplay I do like.
About she not being able to swap, to refresh buffs, i think since she only rely on Xilonen to burst, even if she doesn't have a true free swap, it won't be much different. In Raiden case, switching is ass, because you can't get your burst back, but in Mavuika case this probably won't never happen on her good teams. Half of her damage is frontloaded, so even if you can't do your full rotation (which since she have infinite IR probably won't be a problem either since her damage window is short), just bursting again won't be as good, but you probably won't feel much the impact of loosing some charge attacks.
One thing that doesn't get talked about often is what happens to Mavuika in Spiral Abyss. She starts chamber 1 with 200 FS and deal huge damage...but when she goes to chambers 2 and 3, you're just gonna use her 100 FS burst cos it could be super slow to build up to 200 again. And if you just keep building to 200 FS, but you don't do it fast enough, it might just look a lot like every other current top DPS's damage. You can imagine how you're they're gonna layout Spiral Abyss when they want it to look like Mavuika's gonna be necessary for a particular cycle based on her starting on 200 FS. and you can also imagine the opposite, when they want Mavuika to start falling out of meta...or at least make her look less desirable for it.
I assume next Abysses have 2 or 3 enemies exactly in Mavuika’s range so that Mavuika can just burst and spin while everyone else needs to do grouping? (It’s quite predictable given how they positioned the enemies in Neuvilette, Nilou, and Kazuha Abysses.) When they want her to fall off, the enemies will be spaced farther apart or have shields.
Even if you use Kachina, it's minimum 140 points, and everyone else is 160 minimum(80 from that character +80 from Mavuika). Even Kachina can get upto 160 total with her C2 giving her 20 additional points.
the funny thing i find with mavuika is that 90% of her problems comes down to do you have xilonen? start the floor on 0 fs? 6s and xilo can pump you to 200 fs she needs another natlan char to be a good support? xilo can be sloteed in almost any team besides anmo and dendro she doesnt snapshot? xilo buffs last for 500 years she is truly the xianyun of mavuika's xiao
23:33 I'm glad you brought this up because I don't think people are fully understanding the conundrum of having two Natlan supports on the same team be they Xilonen/Citlali/Ororon and then not knowing what artifact set to use on them. Tentatively my plan is to pull c0 Mavuika and making due with my r5 WGS while snagging a copy of Citlali for my Arlecchino if just for team options at the cost of my Mavuika not being the star of the show. I am totally okay with waiting for her next rerun for that weapon and maybe constellations because I'm eyeing that upcoming Clorinde/Arlecchino banner that's stacked to high heavens with both Lanyan and Chevreuse so I'll totally be down for risking c1 on either character because of how much I already like them.
I feel for the majority of players they probably won't care about the situation as much, in Overworld squeezing out every single bit of damage in supreme optimal setups is a waste of time when the enemies explode in 1-2 Skill use or 1 burst regardless. Vs. Abyss F12 or Event Combat Areas on highest difficulty only the absolute sweaty players (like jamie said) is gonna care about Petra shard pick ups to cut down on time. The rest as long as they clear is not gonna care about Scroll overlap from multiple Natlan supports. The Petra set has been in the game for almost 2 years and I've never seen it glazed up as a legit suggestion so much until Mavuika came up. I'm glad jamie called out folks suggesting it as a general option. People ignored the set all these years for a reason (picking up shard was deem too cringe by most). Funny thing though is C1 Kachina may be a good Petra user if the shard suction is as good as Navia or Gorou (I don't have C1 to test out myself).
Obviously it’s subjective but in terms of on-fielder QoL the priority for me is: 1: no reliance on difficult inputs or strict timings 2: hyperarmor 3: large AoE 4: low reliance on having burst at start of chamber 5: no circle impact 6: long/extendable uptime 7: swap flexibility Neuv being (as far as I can recall) the only DPS that checks all these boxes (at C1) is uh… yeah. He’s him. I feel like if you have circle impact anyway then the benefits of long uptime and swap flexibility are greatly reduced, that’s why they’re the lowest for me. The whole reason it’s great is cause you can extend your rotation to cover the next wave or finish off a boss you failed to one-rotate, but if your Bennet circle expired/is stuck on the wrong side of the room it doesn’t really feel that much better. Similarly, if you can swap but have low uptime then there’s not much point. I also feel like swap flexibility isn’t a big deal if you have long duration buffs or can just continuously refresh your buffs in the background, like Xilonen or Chev. But that’s more of a support QoL than an on-fielder QoL. As for burst reliance, the reason I worded it like that is cause I’m not sure how “burst reliant” Mavuika will end up feeling given how frontloaded Xilonen’s fighting spirit generation is. Even if you start from very low fighting spirit, it’s hard for me to see how it can become a bottleneck. As can be seen from Neuv, even if a character really wants to use their burst, as long as not having it full at the start of the chamber can be played around, it really isn’t a significant QoL issue. I think the biggest issue with Mavuika right now is that Xilonen and Bennet are in too high demand, it’s gonna suck to go back to Baizhu/Zhongli on Neuv for instance.
(TLDR is that IMO Alhaitham was always a solid but never an amazing QoL on-fielder even when his main competition was Raiden and on-field Nahida, let alone modern DPS like Neuv and Arle.) 1: Doesn’t rely on complicated or difficult to execute inputs but does use your brain to keep track of how many mirrors you have. Personally I find this quite annoying but it’s a far cry from how poorly I view the experience of playing say Hu Tao or god forbid Ganyu and Lyney. 2: No hyper armor and his better teams from a damage perspective don’t have strong shielding to make up for it. Pretty much disqualified as a high QoL on-fielder from this. Not as bad as others in the same boat but without XQ of course. 3: Good but not amazing AoE in and of himself. Hurt by the fact that most of the damage coming from his teammates is ST. 4: Can start up with skill like Neuv but overall I don’t think he can play around not having burst quite as well. His E cooldown is a lot longer and he doesn’t really have the same dynamic as Neuv who can let his balls hang out on the field for a while and won’t lose any value from that. Still better on this front than like Raiden or Ayaka or Cyno or such. 5: Indeed doesn’t have circle impact 6: His uptime is on the longer end and you can extend it a bit by using less than 3 mirrors so pretty good on this front. 7: Kinda middle of the pack with regards to swap flexibility. He doesn’t have actual freedom like Neuv or Arle, but he can at least split his uptime which makes him again more flexible than characters like Raiden or Cyno or Hu Tao in this regard. Personally I think Alhiatham has always been a middle of the road character with very stable performance, with neither pronounced strengths nor pronounced weaknesses. He was never particularly high performance from a clear time perspective and the reputation he had of being a “top DPS” was especially in the 4.x era mostly a delusion due to sheet impact. His usage rates were always inflated by low ownership and even then they were never particularly impressive the way Neuv is now or Raiden and Ayaka were in their heyday. What he had going for him was being the overall best 4th to an incredibly robust 3-man core, similar to c0 Raiden and the national core. The main differences being Raiden brought several extremely tangible QoL improvements that other units couldn’t replicate, namely eliminating the need to min max ER and funnel particles, giving hyperarmor for most of the dps window, and being completely brainless to play. Alhaitham on the other hand always had a more nebulous value proposition. He does a bit more damage and has a good bit better AoE than the other options, while making the team require significantly more brainpower to pilot. Additionally he had to compete with Nahida’s C2 in terms of investment priority.
Mavuika's kit looks really fun but she doesnt bring enough for me to bench my previous dps or share their supports, I'll hyper invest in Arle n Clorinde instead. good luck on yall pulls Mavui wanters 👍
Same here. And their rerun banner is freakin busted too. Now the only thing missing is the Fragment set on strongbox. Im sick of that damn domain. 6.0 cant come soon enough
yes, if lacking cons for 4 stars, strictly looking at that 2nd phase is way better, it's not that Diona is bad, but if first place you aren't a Melt player, neither CItlali nor Diona make sense to begin with puting Rosalia 2nd is also kinda nasty, as she is good fit in Melt teams as well
@vladdyru Wishing for 5* with dogshit 4* is even worse, especially if you lose 50/50. You just have random standard unit and bunch of trash. Otherwise you atleast have some great 4*, bruh.
@@UnbelievableLins Depends on the kind of value said five star provides. If you're going for something game-changing like Furina or Yelan constellations, trash four stars don't matter whatsoever. Then again, four stars don't matter at all if you're a long-time player with a bunch of five star constellations - I'm actually happy with getting more starglitter instead.
I will be one of those trying Mavuika + Raiden convo, I have a C2 Raiden so I'll see if the anti-synergy really affects that much the team overall. I was really hoping they would work together since the begining of Natlan :/
Not sure xiangling’s ER pain is quite the same as Maku’s need for natlan teammates. One of these problems auto-solves itself the moment you’ve got the units, and the other keeps hounding players even after they get god pieces.
I have like 200 er on XL and still only get like half her energy full per rotation in a Navia team because I can't be asked to battery her. Mavuika would be much better since she can ult every rotation with Xilonen.
depends on the team if Solo Xiangaling she need *WAY* higher if no one funneling her like 250-300. if she has any battery like Bennet or Cheverus especially with Fav, 180-200 is sweet spot.
yeah you're right it's not quite the same. one of them can get optimal battery by older 4 star characters, the other really wants you to pull new 5 star teammates released closely on seperate banners to her 🤣
@ I mean sure you can call xiangling cheaper all you want I wasn’t really saying anything regarding that. But in terms of gameplay, maku is solved with having her teammates where as XL is a never ending struggle for most people. I think you changed the direction of this convo for a gotcha and with all due respect, that’s a little beneath you.
only reason why she's very restricted is because we haven't gotten a Proper Mavuika 4* support. I think Kachina was supposed to be Xilonen lite but unfortunately, she sucks and is built as a dps/ subdps. That's where hoyo fcked up. At least when they released Furina, we had Charlotte which works well with her.
i’m just concerned about her multi wave performance or if you aren’t able to one rot , i’ve played enough raiden to know the downsides of that damage profile
With C3R1 Raiden, if anything things tend to die before I can get enough hits in to restore the team's energy, and I expect something similar from C2R1 Mavuika 🙃
@@eru_barth hasn’t been like that since like 3.x. raiden doesn’t have the dpr to one rot these aoe 3+ tanky abyss waves anymore. mav probably does, but not if they spawn away from bennett ult, if you miss a melt, if they aren’t grouped, etc.
@@eru_barth for me CD Raiden burst hold me back. seems i need propper doing my rotation but yea, the Intial hit usually killed em amd when new weave spawn the dmg gonna feels so bad.
Strongly agree on your 14:00 mark take, people nowadays are too obsessed with Dps, things like no vape/melt is bad, xyz had more dpr, must not be reliant on signature weapon, etc. None of these things makes sense for me, getting R1 after Natlan is no longer an impossible thing heck even after the fate system, I started to invest on siggys. Being not reliant on circle impact is the most important for me, able to quick swap is second and third is not burst reliant. Who cares about dpr when you just need to have a enjoyable smooth run during Abyss. I swear content creators sometimes are acting like salesmen selling speedrun metas, but iirc you do separate them to Casual Meta and Speedrun Meta, I would say this distinction is the most important for TC and Content creators.
The issue Raiden has is she needs many hits to regenerate energy. If she gained more on the first big hit, she'd feel better to play. Mavuika seems to be able to get her burst back quickly with the right supports. I think that makes a big difference.
"with the right supports" you could just throw fav weapons on raiden teams to fix your energy concerns and it would be more universal than natlan restriction
@bushy9780, not entirely. Raiden likes high burst cost characters. I've spent a lot of downtime trying to feed Xiangling through Fav weapons and Bennett particles. It's not always so simple when Raiden kills the enemy with her first hit and doesn't give energy back to her team. When that happens with Mavuika, she continues to gain energy through her skill, while Xilonen can give her a huge bump with her skill and two attacks. I have been playing Raiden for a few years, and this is my biggest problem with her. Mavuika won't be nearly as stuck after her big hit just having Xilonen. You may not max her burst out on every rotation, but she's guaranteed to have it with Xilonen's skill. Raiden can also be a pain to battery when her burst one-hits.
@@jsirivanchai also Fav on Raiden or her teammates is sub-optinal, is a confort pick, in Mavuika case, her kit is designed for her never have energy problems whatsoever, and this be her best case scenario, there's a abyss of difference between both cases
@@jsirivanchai wait nor really, arent 5-6 hit already give enough energy, or 2 NA 1 CA twice. most of time my raiden team even have energy already full when Raiden in her mid ult. mine ER was like 270%
@Kindi001 , My Raiden is C4 with 286 ER. She doesn't have her signature weapon. She will not regain much energy after the first hit. She ends a lot of battles with that strike, leaving the team starving for energy. Chevy helps the next character triggering an overload, but that's not enough to fix the problem. Raiden doesn't generate a ton of particles. Xiangling is terrible, too. She's incredibly reliant on multiple hits during her burst to feed the team.
I hate the anti-synergy but I'm absolutely gunning for Mavuika's C2 precisely for Raiden. I've not been able to find a stronger comp for Raiden than Overloaded and neither Bennett (res shred expiring too early due to no off field pyro) nor Xiangling (cooldown's too long and sometimes still has energy issues) feels good in practical combat. I'm expecting Mavuika to solve both issues. Thought of a new rotation that does Mavuika's burst first before Raiden's that might push the latter's Resolve closer to her max (due to longer setup before her burst and getting Resolve from generating particles) Might live to regret skipping her R1 now if her rerun is with another weapon that sucks but such is the life of the Raiden main. Mavuika skill > Raiden skill > Chev Burst > Skill x2 > Sara skill > Mavuika burst > CA for 7s > Mavuika skill > Chev skill > Sara burst > Raiden skill > Raiden burst > attacks > Repeat rotation. Excited to see if this works.
As always, nice perspectives that are well-reasoned and should by no means discourage anyone from pulling a character they love, but are still useful factors to take into consideration! I am immune to meta hype and pull exclusively characters I think are cute, sadly (or luckily?) neither of the new releases this patch are hitting the right notes for me and Lan Yan is thankfully free. Maybe I'll have the budget for a couple of Baizhu constellations though 💚
Finally, someone said it: she's expensive as heck. I'm tired of huge content creators partnered with Mihoyo leaving this out of their reviews of her. They keep hyping up the damage but not the individual characters that help make that team function.
I appreciate how blunt and real, but also thoughtful and balanced your insights are, included your observation on the banner strategy. 19:40 not sure I understood the “drive by” concept but I think what’s problematic with Mavuika is that her application is just much less frequent to the point you will have issues in some scenarios. The most obvious one is when you have extra hydro application, so not only no Yelan nor Candace C6 but also you need to properly setup your auras in order to not start driving on Mualani with hydro (which is what happens in that footage with Kazuha swirling hydro in AoE); AoE scenarios are also inherently problematic with Mavuika because of situations caused by two Mualani behaviours, one being a bug: 1. Two bites hit two different enemies each time. This can easily be a problem because missiles come a short time after the bite so “missile enemies” will receive the hydro application quite later than the “bite enemy”, so even if bites are 2.6s slow if you bite an enemy that got just hit by a missile you will apply hydro much faster than 2.6s, fast enough that it’s likely Mavuika won’t catch up and you get a hydro aura. 2. This is the buggy behaviour, which I think is also related to weird phenomenons like Mualani spawning missiles in single target against the Green Big Chungus: if Mualani targets enemy A but the shark bites enemy B instead, the missile will hit enemy B instead of enemy A. This causes two hydro applications in a row and would likely flip the auras unless you are lucky with Mavuika’s skill timing. I consider half a miracle already that Mualani’s bite was silently improved one patch after release (as a “QoL” lol), so there’s no way they will fix this other bug any time soon, it’s more likely they fix Mona’s C1 or Sucrose’s N1 just to mention a few. Nice video 👌
Btw I made an example with a 2.6s bite interval just for the sake of argument but to be precise Mualani doesn’t bite faster than every 2.4s, in ST every 3s. The average player is likely to bite a bit slower so 2.6 is a reasonable assumption for AoE, even though this wasn’t the point.
This is such a good video, thank you so much. Ppl really go on the hype train of dps, not realizing the disadvantages of it. For me I’m skipping muavika due to my arlecchino. I don’t need another pyro dps when I have a very good one already. And I’m still very much okay with xaingling. I pulled for mualani bc I went into the hype of big dmg, and I don’t use her at all, and stick with my nuevillette. Ppl get so excited for big numbers, that when they get the character, and realize they don’t like the character, it sucks. So please, stick with what you want, not what you see
That Clorinde overload team is going to be incredibly strong, easy to play and feels so nice in whatever cancer there is in the abyss. It's a shame so many people overlook how good Clorinde is because she was released late after the sunk cost in Neuvillette and Arlechino.
14:40 I'd add: can function as both main and sub dps. Not because I'm biased to Mavuika, but because it's just a genuine value increase AND provides more opportunities to use a character you like. As someone who prefers vertical over horizontal investment, and actually using characters I *like*, that's quite relevant for me.
i couldn't find enough info regarding ororon's fighting spirit generation, but shouldn't he be at least pretty good for an overvape mavuika team with furina + bennett? edit: okay so apparently he should be able to generate around 83 points per rotation which along with mavuika's own 90 it would give her 173 fighting spirit, that should be pretty alright no?
i like how did you explain downside and upside of her,that challenge my opinions,still im going for mavuika,i skip arlechino in fontaine to get next pyro dps from natlan,and hopefully that was a archon,big w🔥
great vid! thanks for pointing out one thing i hate about content creators. After some tilme playing the character and the hype getting down a bit, they tend to downplay them or over glaze the alternative units that come out after. Mavuika could indeed feel pretty mid to play bc of circle impact/ overkill on first hit and short dps window
A straight QoL upgrade, but a measly DPS one. You'd get a way higher upgrade by just getting Mualani's constellations directly - you wouldn't be able to refund Mavuika once a better pyro off-fielder is finally out, you know.
@@vladdyru We had to wait an eternity to get an another pyro sub dps. I think we will have to wait a very long time to get someone who is better than Xiangling and Mavuika now. At the same time, Mavuika value is falling off because she will be worse than Xiangling with characters who doesn't use Natlan characters on her team. It will happens !
@@Camelia437 I'm perfectly fine with waiting, it beats experiencing buyer's remorse in the future. Characters you pull stay on your account forever, so I'm very much opposed to the idea of getting a temporary band-aid solution that will inevitably become a waste instead of an additional constellation or an extra character.
I dont hear anyone mention that in overworld you can press E on mavuika + furina and afk clear mobs while having a great exploration unit, she really is a missing piece like you said, helps with 90% of the game content that feels like a chore and will feel worth pulling for the next 320 days at least.
She just seems bad if you want to run her as a main dps because of her support requirements. Traditionally dps didn't directly compete with the same supports in their region. Currently have two Natlan limited supports, and she wants to hoard them for herself and Bennett. That'll leave all the other Natlan DPS's without supports. What happened to complete units at c0 that didn't require the supports other dps units wanted. Atleast with Goro, Shenhe and Faruzan they are nich enough that if you wanted to invest in their teams you could and it wouldn't come at the detriment of other dps's. Hoyo is really pushing the invest into sig and early cons to make Natlan characters feel complete. Throw shade all you want at Chiori atleast she had pre existing teams and was still a significant upgrade over Zhongli and Albedo for Navia. Mavi doesn't offer enough to be significantly better than XL as an off field and her on Field requires a completely new regional Natlan archetype. We are already halfway into Natlan, is Mavi just gonna fall off like the cryo dps's of old because the lack of new supports. Seems logical, characters for old regions don't get released very often.
Can Mavuika do burgeon teams, just like Raiden has hyperbloom teams. Mavuika's skill seems to have some aoe pyro pulse effect which may interact with dendro cores. A hybrid burgeon dps team like Bennet Mavuika Furina Nahida seems like a good possibility.
13:17 you described carry Noelle. If you run Navia on a duel carry like that, gotta have Chiori or something to generate crystals for her gunbrella. Replace Xiolnen or Benny. 100% on the vertical investment. I’m a moderate spender in Genshin and F2P in Star Rail, and my HSR account teams do much better because I started that game with very clear focus on vertical team building, but my Genshin teams are much more scattered. It helps HSR has far fewer characters
I hate this, they recreated my fav character in the game. They made her annyoying, worse looking, have a stupid motor cycle and then had the audacity to do more damage. WHY cant electro have a vape equivalent im tired of hearing the benefits of these stupid pyro and hydro mains. RAIDEN SUPREMACY (hoyo pls buff her)
The Raiden Shogun argument is not completely valid, if you want compare Raiden shogun popular teams you have to do it a similar level of investment, Raiden at c0, her most popular teams are National, Chev and HB, those teams are kinda underwhelming compared to the new teams we have nowadays and compared to Mavuika at c0. You cannot also leave the dmg part outside of the discussion because they matter a lot when you trying to compare to other dps's in longer fights, the reality is Mavuika is going to kill enemies faster than Raiden does, making the low uptime less of an issue. Now if we get into the speed run topic where people vertically invest, there is not even a comparison anymore. So the reason why people diss Raiden for her short uptime is not just because of it, is because she needs c2/c3 to be comparable whit modern teams dps's at C0.
Raiden also just falls off a cliff once her burst ends while mavuika just gets put into her Hold E which does less damage than the enhanced version but can still finish off a wave.
Vertical investment is what I have started doing. To make whatever Character the best they can be…..Also means in general I will be pulling fewer Characters overall. It’s fine as my main account is packed. Have Ororon and Xilonen and plan I skipping 5.3…
Xiangling on mualani team is actually far from clunky if you build her enough er (it's not that hard if you forgo 4 petra for 2 scroll). And even without it you can still use guoba and still do considerable even when she doesn't get the full buff.
Thinking about team commitment and trends, Raiden came out over 3 years ago. I got Raiden up to C2 over the years (still R0/the catch) and have not once ever felt that her contribution was inadequate. Her teams haven't really changed much for me either (not that she hasn't gained a wide variety of support options in general). If I didn't grab that C2 on a re-run at some point, I could be feeling differently. Just adding to your comment that if you want the longevity, you gotta commit a bit to the team. To me, nabbing her C1 and then getting C2 over the years should be satisfactory.
This is the exact thing that happened to me. I saved 60,000 primos for her, then realized I was screwed since I skipped every single natlan character. I’m doing fine with my current teams, but i genuinely wanted another archon. I know I can spend my primos on constellations, but finding out she NEEDS xilonen to play the best ruined my urge to wish for her. I luckily have really good artifacts for arlecchino so I can just put my primos into her, and maybe spend remaining pulls on shenhe for my ayaka support.
Just when I was looking for a Jamie video to put on you come out with this one. I have alot of thoughts on Mauvika and Natlan's character design and I would like some Jamie community discourse. I primarily dislike how 'cash-grabby' Mauvika feels: 1. Mauvika is very pushy with how she NEEDs so much investment into Natlan specific supports to be strong rather than being a char who synergises well with existing chars like previous archons. Unless you pick up C1 , you NEED a different Natlan four or five star to play her in her intended role. It feels restrictive and a little predatory. 2. Mauvika doesn't seem like a good sub dps the way people are suggesting? I haven't been seeing good numbers for it. It seems like its more for application than damage. 3. Her doing big damage to me doesn't mean much to me since I care more for convenience and versatility which Mauvika (and other Natlan DPS) has not been in my opinion. Some of my Mauvika gripes have more to do with how Hoyo has chosen to design Natlan more than the archon herself. 4. It feels sketchy that Hoyo essentially locked Natlan chars into their own exclusive artifacts and teamates, feels like they're trying so had to squeeze players from all angles to play these new chars.
👋I can add my discourse: yeah I also dislike how not even subtle the tactics are for this banner (as well as her design decisions). obviously they are a business first so they can totally do what they want, but yeah I'm also allowed to be not surprised that it's leaving a sour taste in peoples mouth. and yeah as for her sub dps vs xiangling, most of the calcs you see are assuming her burst+natlan supports which could be a bit deceptive since it's not quite looking at off-field vs off-field. they generally also do not factor in xiangling can hit more than the minimum. except I did see it discussed in a Flip recent video.
I like her bike and how it scales walls like Xilonen and Kachina can. Her exploration in general, and just how she looks and plays just seems like fun. Contrary to Raiden, I can have fun with Mavuika in and out of combat. So I think I'll still be using her, Xilonen, Chasca, and Citlali. Even long after their time, and newer characters have arrived.
I'm realling hoping for Pyro Traveller, Citlali and Lan Yan videos soon as Mavuika has so much coverage and others little to none (especially comparison between Citlali and Lan Yan is pretty much non existent, everyone seems to only compare Citlali with Zhongli)
yes, sadly the community doesn't help at all, it's always the same "big numbers" thing and whatever at the end, it sadly ends up that I do personally almost look at the least on my own with homdgcat, for instance, and analyze kits myself or with friends. but it's true, it's rarely expectable from CC
Theatre is kind of a joke so far, just throw your half built fodder characters at the early floors. Unless Hoyo does a Cryo+Geo theatre, then we’re cooked 🔥
You can easily clear theater with your hyper unit and whichever busted friend support you invite. But remember this is a casual game and IT isnt abyss its too random to be excessively difficult. The IT boons are also incredibly powerful that any halfway decent team of the 3 favored elements can clear. Just get a few C6 5* friends to cover the elements you are weak in if you are that worried.
Truthfully I think the idea that theater rewards horizontal investment is a bit of a myth. Levelling characters to the minimum requirement is not what I would call horizontal investment. It rewards vertical investment just as much considering you can clear floors with 1 built character + 3 dogs.
Question for Chasca: i have her at C2 and i run her with Furina Xilonen Bennett, i was wondering should i go for Citlali to replace Xilonen with her or Mavuika, and since i have C2 i won't lose any passive stacks/bullets by having two of the same element. I do have Arlechinoo as well but Mavuika bringing a new gameplay and exploring with the motorcycle is kinda fun/tempting too. Would appreciate your help
This is how Hoyo is trying to bait us with "New gameplay". I suggest that you get Arle's weapon/cons instead of Mavuika. Jamie did explain in the video that you are going to be better off in the long run when you upgrade what you already have rather than investing in redundancy, chasing every new shiny 5*. Mavuika is just another pyro dps and will not bring much value to your account especially if you already have an Arlecchino or maybe you just got a ton of money to spend at which point it doesnt matter what you do. And yeah you should replace Xilonen for Citlali since she gives give Hydro/Pyro res shred for Chasca's infused bullets as well as a shield. You dont need two healers in that team.
@@gamesdivision6511 Citlali already provides scroll set and res shred, Xilonen's shred will not do anything nor does she deals damage and scroll set will not stack. Furina deals good damage and provide DMG buff and bennett gives her fanfare.
@@snailwhale6673 No. Xilonen reduces res shred of both Pyro and Cryo. Citlali will only res shred Pyro and Hydro. If anything, it makes Xilonen even more valuable than she already is for C2 Chasca. Furina in place of Xilonen will only mess up reactions. But if you want to have fun wasting a CA or multiple ones by proccing freeze instead of a guaranteed melt, go ahead. Artifacts set do not matter. With Xilonen, Citlali, Bennett you have access to Petra, Scroll, Noblesse and Instructor with no drawbacks. If you want Citlali on Scroll, Xilonen can easily take Petra or Instructor. You either run Furina-Xilonen-Bennett for Vapes or upgrade and go with Citlali-Xilonen-Bennett for Melts. Xilonen-Bennett are irreplaceable for C2+ Chasca.
The initial hit will still be a million even during Sneznaya, big numbers are kinda fun to hit. It might take some time, but I can try collecting her best supports as they are kinda universal.
@try2fly Which is a real great thing tbh, more characters with great damage, for different people. People can hence choose to invest in the character they like, without finding the damage lackluster.
@@scarface9405 im just saying this so people wouldn't praise Mavuika for her 1 mil like its something unique and amazing. Its nice, but thats just a good nuke. Thats it. :0
@@scarface9405 It’s great as long as you forget about the early cast that has to rely on support constellations to keep up with these great on-fielders - my 12 cost Ayaka team that I’ve been slowly and painfully accumulating for over a year is still going to be worse than a generic 6 cost Mavuika team.
@@try2fly Mavuika's 1+ mil nukes are far far more accessible. The average Mualani build will do 600K at best. 1+ mil is only for insane builds or crit fishing attempts. Mavuika needs just a decent build to get to 1 mil.
The main DPS preference points at 13:51 were helpful to me to think why a team "feels" good to me or not. Thinking about it, my priorities for a DPS team are: 1. Can follow mobile enemies (automatically means no Circle impact) - but I don't want to just have infinite range like a spinning top Neuvilette as I find that boring 2. Moderate AoE size (like at least Kaeya burst radius for the stronger hits) 3. Can swap out 4. Variable DPS window length 5. Light interruption resistance if the team loses major damage from breaking their attack chain, so I can choose to attack through a single hit rather than dodge around (Don't care about energy as I'm loaded with Favonius weapons, and as long as the damage can 36 star when slightly countered, it's fine to me.) Due to non-circle impact being #1 on my list, main DPS "Mavuika system" is a skip for now: I'm better off finding a DPS that doesn't draw a circle with their charged attack.
Okay I need some advice: i have a good neuvillete (c2 r1) and furina (c6 r1) both of them together garuntees a complete clear of one half of abyss. My other main dps is raiden (c3 r1) mixed and match sometimes "quick bloom" with c2 nahida and sometimes cheveruse overload, so far I havent had much trouble with the abyss and easily 36 star it after a couple of tries at max. Should I get Mauvika and Citlali ? (i like them both and have 400 pulls saved up and am on garuntee), I'll be honest as much as I like mauvika and citlali (mostly for the exploartion benfits ) I like skirk, columbina and capitano more. I'm not a big fan of the rest of the natlan cast so I will not be getting xilonen, but I do have ororon. Therfore I probably won't vertically invest that much in Mauvika's team (max a c1 (prefferably c0) Mauvika and c0 Citlali) but I see it as more of a horizontal investment fot IT as i have no good pyro (excluding benny and xiangling) and cryo charchters. What do you think?
@@dominicbinoy6939 I thought the same thing until I took a chance and bought her an R1C2. And I didn't regret it, the mechanics were very simple. You press "E" and do everything else - with the left mouse button, sometimes you do a charged attack (you get used to it quickly). And playing as her, it sometimes seems to me that all the other characters only hinder her (egoist character)). This is just my opinion, the choice is always yours, but she deserves a chance)
you said yourself that you like them both, so test them out and if you still like what you see, get them. with both of them you can make the Mav/Cit/Sucrose/Bennett team, which I assume will be feasible to play while being her second best team for dps, and Bennett is the only core character that you might miss on other teams by doing that, which might not even be a problem to you, since you got team options without him. also, the only character on your wishlist that you could worry abt for now is Skirk, bc we don't know how soon she'll release, while the other 2 are definitely not releasing in the next 6 months (Capitano might not even be playable at all, sadly) and I don't even think Skirk is releasing in patch 5.4 already, so you can can wait for drip marketing just to be sure she's not there before deciding wether to pull for characters in 5.3 or not
Good breakdown. I will say regarding this part: “Don’t jump on the hype train and build every new DPS” - I’ve pulled for basically whoever I want and I haven’t had any issues with any content in the game. I grind out a 200CV artifact set and then move on to the next character. I play the game very differently than you, I don’t pull weapons or constellations but I can 36 star and get platinum combat event rewards no problem. I don’t really think this advice is one size fits all. A wide roster has served me very well, and frankly kept me from getting bored of the same old units. I do agree that advice to not feel pressured to pull any particular character, including archons like Mavuika is good advice though. One more thing, most players using Mavuika in a mostly off field role alongside other Natlan supports will probably just keep her on Codex to get some more damage instead of worrying about Petra or Instructor and it’ll be just fine. With that set she can do a decent amount of damage more than XL at the cost of some buffing, which for speed runners is a very bad trade off but for most players (who frankly don’t use those sets at all) it will be fine and deliver good results
The upside is no waiting for Citlali if one has the primos. It's just frontloaded primo demand. Not a problem for those who saved and will then save in 5.3 part 2.
Very good advice. Stop chasing the meta. Choose your character and target their best team. Any well Invested with good supports and weapons and proper team rotations will always outperform so called Meta units. This is also why Supports are more valuable than Dps. F abyss, every patch it changes. And new teams are better than others. As for Theatre. You need 2 decently built dps of all 3 elements. (6 in total whatever way) And 5 Sustain units. And the rest can be anything. Try to throw as much energy as possible. Get all your stagnant units to 70. And that's that. 10 stella is super hard like this but you don't need stellas anyway.
You don’t need that much on-fielders at all - the first two chambers can be completed by the opening cast, which leaves you with the need for a grand total of four over all three elements, and one of those four can be borrowed from a friend.
"Stop chasing the meta" unless you really suck at this game like I do ! For which, you HAVE TO follow the meta ! And most of the players don't have enough money to heavily invest on their DPS !
Yea, understanding your DPS and their needs is always enough to clear most abyss atm. Do not give up to your fomo just because some players saying that she is the new shiny best DPS if you don't like her. We all have limited resources so spend them optimally only on units you really like.
already have enough dps units and some are highly invested into (c1r1 neuvillette and c0 r1 homa arlecchino) most likely i'll pull for citlali or just get more cons for arle or just save for future characters
mihoyo really screwed mavuika up. although aesthetically incoherent with the world, it wouldve been more acceptable if the bike is only in her special travel kit. however fighting with a motorcycle doing donuts, is ugly af. . before some dumbass say "then just use normal attacks" , yeah sure, that's as dumb as using charge attacks with arle, or normals with neuvi.
I know this will be unrelated since this is about meta, and sound weird But I don't want to play mavuika for best strength, i want to play mavuika for mavuika. And i cannot use her entire kit without xilonen or citlali, whom I don't care about. Actually i care about citlali but I simply can't get both, and care about mavuika more. I like having options, and ororon is just chevruse overload, as ororon himself can ruin melt set ups. So its just overvape using furina or raw damage. And sure I could get c1... but I also avoid constellations on 5 stars, especially the new ones, because I actually want to fight stuff. But mavuika is now either don't get her, or get c1, almost no in between. Though for a semi related point critic. I know you said if one wants to use mavuika, they should just get her supports. And yeah that's true. But her supports were missle fired before her release and before we knew about her burst costs. The people skipped xilonen for whatever reason, and maybe didn't have time to farm every day to get enough both mavuika and citlali, we, have to wait for reruns, and citlali is a cryo character! She'll go into chronicle before she gets a rerun. Joke I'm joking, but we know rerun banners is an issue. And there's only 2 5 star supports, or 2 4 stars (chervuse ororon) that can make teams that utilise her kit. This is just forcing players to need to read leaks honestly. Yes i know, xilonen is kazuha level busted. But again, someone like me can simply not care. I did say my comment would be unrelated or semi related with meta. Not even mentioning that the character preview already showed that, based on guess work, we only have 3 other natlan characters, are all of them gonna be supports? Course not. As for supports capabilities... she really made me see how pyro sub dps aren't that widely used actually, mualani and kinich are the ones that actually need one.... and I only see wriothesley and clorinde, as the other viable option.
As a f2p with really good luck, i got every natlan character except kinich in under 30 pulls. I will get mauvika and citlali. Already have c0 r1 xilonen for her as well
Honestly I kinda feel blessed by losing 50/50 in Arlechino banners, cause from there I saved a lot primogems for Natlan character, and now I can get the best team with Xilonen and Citlali for my C2 Mavuika
4:50 very interesting point tbh. This is why i always think vertical investment is the way to go once we get the big power shift in games. Like vertical investing acheron, miyabis, and in genshin case i vertical invested into c6 yelan, these characters have made the games content so trivial to the point that it doesn't matter if the game archetypes change, i can always rely on these teams to destroy any and all content
the thing is, that level of vertical investment is almost never needed in genshin. thats not the case in HSR and ZZZ, where enemy HP pools have increased at a far greater rate than they ever did in genshin, and so you need vertical investment in your older characters if you want them to compete with newer ones. ofc if youre talking speedrunning, then thats another story. constellations are kind of a no brainer for that.
@@_mako Even in HSR I feel Vertical Investment is actually very risky in these games so I actually recommend against it. The more vertical investment the chance of the meta shifting against you and ending up with no viable way to clear content (more so in HSR, like for example toughness lock) increases. There's also a more psychological thing but Hoyo does powercreep a lot more on cons than the C0 baseline and if you aim for "the best" going vertical can often be quite demoralizing. For example C6 Yelan or Nahida nowadays is significantly weaker than newer C6es like Arlecchino. If you don't want to save up for a year to cash in on a C6 only to see the next C6 DPS doing 100k more DPS then it's not wise to C6 anyone.
Have u consider the fact that mavuika doesnt have pay energy tax , she gets er from nightsoul points but it doesn't matter what element it is , so u can play 3 different elements and if all of them have nightsoul , she will generate her brust very fast , it doesn't matter what element they have unlike xianling who have issues in cryo or hydro teams. I think that is very good , i have 100 perfent uptime on her brust . Its basically a skill
Ayeee I’ve been saying the same thing about powercreep/gacha hype. In HSR, my favorite team is Kafka DoT and I have been able to max clear all end game modes with that team on one side. I see all this noise about "must-pulls" or "insane powercreep", but when I cut all that out, the OG teams that I want to play can complete the hardest available mode. In my experience, unless you're into speedrunning or O-cycling, powercreep doesn't really exist. There will always be stronger teams/units, but unless you're chasing after a personal record, it shouldn't really affect you. Weaker teams/units at low costs can still max out all content. If you're constantly comparing units beyond a standard that exists then sure there is powercreep but for the hardest available content, it doesn't really matter
Hey, would you mind telling me how your DOT team looks like and how you built everyone? I have Kafka and Sampo but no idea who else to put in there and therefore struggle to use DOT in the MoC :(
@@ronnieketchum1241variety exists because people like different things if everyone liked same stuff then things like gacha and Pokemon wouldn't exist in the first place
Since after Raiden c3 fiasco I don't fall anymore for characters that only have damage. Especially characters that rely on bennet but have melee range. The way abyss enemies spawn rn just counter circle impact(I still use bennet, I still love him, but I have to admit that the circle impact is getting worse and worse) and honestly that non swap problem it's so annoying, just like it's with Raiden Shogun. Arlecchino is just something else, it's the most fun DPS for me atm because I can play whatever I want and it will work
My last pull was arle during fontaine patch..i got tons primo saved untouched..no natlan character i like..but mavuika exploration gimmick kinda nice..but as u said..we r in natlan..in future she might be benched..like my hutao ayaka ganyu raiden many others i no longer play..have no problem full star abyss n theatre every patch…still thinking whether to pull her or wait for skirk..which i like
I have a build c1r1 hu tao a build arle c1r1 and i’m still going for mavuika 😭😭 i have xilonen and am planning on pulling for citlali but ig the main reason im pulling mavuika is actually for future cryo characters (i’m coping)
the Xilonen being more cluncky, for what people are calculating, you have two exits for this that is have Xilonen petra like you said, that isn't that cluncky at all to use, since she will generate a shard near her and you can just pick up before switching or using Codex Mavuika and focus on her own damage to compensate a buff set, since Codex Mavuika might outdamage buffing your own DPS with scroll on her.
actually xilonen shard isnt always close near her since this is one of the main premise behind archaic petra xiangling in mualani teams ie. xiangling picking up the shard left by xilonen. so its viable on xilonen but by all means clunky.
@jamiekb9v fair enough, but i said isn't that cluncky, compared with the other petra popular option Zhongli, i can get both the crystal and pick it fairly easy with Xilonen compared with Zhongli, with Zhongli the shard generation is ultra cluncky.
i needed this video. i knew i was going all in on Citlali but still kinda wanted Mavuika as well and even though i got a fair bit saved was willing to spend. i think i'll leave it be though, stick with Citlali. i just don't need another Pyro DPS
Her kit is a blunder in both on-field because of the horrendous animations and off-field because of how little she actually provides. I’d rather just stick to Xiаngling and go for Furinа constellations instead.
I am kinda lucky, because I completly skipped sumeru patches and half inazuma, and when I came back to genshin pulled for neuvillete and furina when they came out, quitted genshin again until 5.1, and had a big amount of wishes saved, so pulled xilonen, then nahida, and now I almost have enough to go for mavuika, cotlali amd possible a weapon.
Yeah Im hyped for Archon's, so every new region Im gonna farming and collecting new characters beyond that Ill just quit and saving the primo. Skip 5.4 - 5.7 patches and gonna back at 6.0 I guess 😅
As someone who skipped Xilonen because she didn't really offer a lot for my account, I'm glad I follow leaks and decided to pull C0 Ororon for my Mavuika because otherwise... 💀 I don't have Arlecchino so if I didn't follow leaks I would have probably pulled for her instead and it wouldn't have changed a lot but thankfully that's not the case
The way your channel has literal video convincing people to SKIP XILONEN banking on the fact MAVUIKA CAN USE SCROLL FOR MUALANI made this whole Mavuika videos of yours a whole ahh joke. It’s funny seeing someone so gungho about speedrunning clown on the best speedrunner unit in existence because of wrong advices in the past IJBOL.
He couldn't have known Mavuika relies on Xilonen but also that wasn't even an insane prediction to make. That Xilonen will synergize with future Natlan units.
@ brother, advicing anyone to skip the most flexible unit in the game is just plain wrong and evil, especially newer players. Moreover, Xilonen literally is the only one who can shred element-infused enemies like Tulpa. His supporters just need to wake tf up about this man’s clear biases 💀
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🏍🔥mavuika will be strong as both dps and sub dps, but she has enough weaknesses covered in this video where you can skip and continue working on your existing teams if you are unable to invest properly into her exodia pieces. 🏍🔥but if you can invest well and give hoyo what they (clearly) want with this banner schedule, then you will be rewarded. 🏍🔥
but don't fall for the hype, because if you do, you are probably the type of person who will also fall for the hype with the next hyped DPS and archtype system in a few months, and drop your natlan toys like the toy story meme. don't be a sucka!
Well said. As always thanks for your balance thoughts!
Absolutely agree and loved your take on the hsr analogy, if you want to build a team around her you should do it and not fall into the hype train of next new dps and archetypes. I hope genshin doesn't become like hsr and start introducing these baits fast enough to create fomo and powercreep
This is singlehandedly why you are not a shill and on my "he's not a shill" permanent list. Love you, dude. All the HYV media server meat riders are gonna shill and have screenshot per second BS that will con innocent people out of their cash and be able to sleep at night knowing what suffering and evil that they inflicted. Pure satanic tbh. But here you are, a light in the Darkness fighting back against this BS.
@@mickysaifUnfortunately, that is what they are already doing with Mavuika ngl
@@mickysaifYou're saying It like genshin has no powercreep. It is really slow, but it is there
Hoyo putting 2 new characters without an increase of primogems or increasing the banner duration has to be one of the scummiest thing ihv ever seen in a gacha game
And then delivering them together with 4*s no one wants to see on a banner right before a new 4* anemo shielder + Chevreuse rerun. 👌
@@eru_barthtragic how dogshit the 4 stars are lol
The 20 free pulls is in the second half lol
@@Mikaela_77these free pulls happens right after the mavuika+citlali banner
Dont forget they also run the chronicled banners at the same time (full of undesirable 50/50 losses)
She’s fine, but they would’ve made a lot more money if they just made her pyro yelan
Best part about that would be that it wouldn’t buff Neuvillette
Additional pyro app on NA cast
@@shironasama0445honestly idc if she did, I think they could just make her have a clause that when using her outside of natlan character centric teams the vape multiplier is lower, id rather her buff natlan dpses rather than be better than natlan dpses and make her not powercreep xiangling completely
@@shironasama0445well, neither does the current Mauvika so in that aspect its the same.
@@deltaspecies1697who cares if she buffed him I’d rather have her actually be a support than just being better than everyone else
Those unga bonga basic surface level videos will keep coming from others but I'll be waiting for yours . Can't wait to see your opinion.
If only she gave a big ATK buff with her burst instead of the millionth DMG% increase. It's insane how Bennett has been warping the design of ATK scalers since forever completely undisputed. It's impossible to run 2 ATK scalers in their optimal team or even just 1 if you simply don't like Bennett or circle gaming.
All OG supports got some competition over time, except the one that needed it the most due to monopolizing a whole stat and practically gimping the ATK dps you can't afford to run with him by simply existing. I've never seen this much role gatekeeping in a game before. I waited so excitedly for the Pyro archon as a potential ATK buffer to finally be able to play certain DPS at the level they're meant to be, but instead the archon herself needs Bennett... Actually losing it
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dude an atk% buffer would literally be preferential towards 5 stars + 5 star weapons. i don’t understand the need to release another bennett reliant dps i really dont
1. She doesn't need bennett
2. You're crying because you want Bennett with a different skin.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 bait used to be believable
the real chad move is pulling for citlali and waiting just 4 more patches for mavuika, at that point youll have her guaranteed and her best support
The Chad Granny vs the virgin motorcycle
yeah I pulled citlali for chasca instead and will be going for skirk next
I like that she can be used both as an op main dps especially melt (which was underwhelming until now) and a sub dps in many teams plus she has massive exploration benefits so I'm definitely pulling
Yeah many people don’t realise that
The exploration benefits are lackluster outside of natlan. Dont get blinded by natlan exploration, benefits, they might last 9 months at best (and probably not work during summer event map)
@@Icredivm watch iwtl mavuika's early access, he showcased the exploration, and she is one of the best if not the best even outside natlan
@rottuce i will not click on an iwtl video.
Just from the numbers I saw going around, she isnt doing anything that the other explorations dont already do
@@Icredivm9 months is quite long to be fair
As someone who doesn’t want to use a budget Mavuika(no sig, no chev c6, no ororan, no Citlali, etc.) I’m perfectly fine skipping this patch. Funnily enough, Mavuika’s release gave me the motivation to properly build my Xiangling lol
same! xiangling’s new skin is really cute too which makes me want to build her even more
yes the skin
I invested a lot in my Xiangling and I have both HuTao and Arle. Mavuika is the perfect skip for me 😂
@@avery3154 My c6 xl 250 er, c1 Hu Tao with homa and Arle 80/200 crit are built too. But I got 300 pulls saved up and I have Xilonen so.... Am still pulling for Mavuika and Citlali 😂😂
it's almost 2025 and y'all telling me ya still haven't build Xiangling
Finally somebody who doesn't just do "all positive" mavuika guide. Like holy most other tcer and even the mavuika group have been absolutely useless cause they never talk about the flaws of mavuika.
Honestly that's my issue with the CC program. I feel MHY only selects those that are too positive or don't actually do serious TC analysis on purpose. Nothing against those creators personally, but MHY treats them very much as marketing first and information is not a priority.
Hoyo CC aren't allowed to talk
1. negatively on the promoted unit
2. WuWA
Every tc not bound to the program that i’ve seen (not too many) has made it clear that the character is quite restricted
@@anegg1464only reason why she's "restricted" is because we haven't gotten a Proper Mavuika 4* support.
I think Kachina was supposed to be Xilonen lite but unfortunately, she sucks and is built as a dps/ subdps.
That's where hoyo fcked up.
At least when they released Furina, we had Charlotte which works well with her.
Honestly a good chunk of people are just going to treat her as pyro Fischl just press E and swap
Some people don't want another DPS to build a whole new team around; they just want more supports to make their existing DPS's look good.
IDC about that though, I'm gonna build her to deal damage while looking cool and styling on her enemies like the badass that she is.
That's me if I decided to pull her 😂. Really not a fan of mounted combat, I prefer if the caharacter just uses bike as weapon on their atack strings like Dante fron DMC.
what that inpossble consdering the massive dmg she does whith her ult and the buff she gives after
Me basically. But I’m aiming for c2 and then I’m out
Yeah, it's not that bad of a way to play her. It won't be using her to "full potential" but she still will do high off-field damage and eventually she'll build 200 FS from off-field to nuke the field and go back being pyro Fischl. Plus buffing the team if you use Scroll on her.
8:00 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: We finally have a TCer who actually understands and recognises that Sara is an incredible character.
Seriously Jamie - the amount of people who write of Sara.... If you do a Sara Guide, that might help a lot in fixing the narrative.
sadly, agenda must be kept :(
'Incredible' is really stretching it, her buff only lasts for 6 seconds, she needs her C6, with Chlorinde or Keqing teams she sometimes has ER issues, she forces 20 second rotations or needs you to skip her burst in certain rotations, all in all can be quite clunky to play.... pretty much only recommendable in speedrun Chlorinde or C2+ Raiden.
Will only be great if her c2 generated particles
Thanks! Whilst I haven’t made a specific Sara guide video, I’ve covered her quite a lot for example a video 2 years ago called Why Aggravate isn’t carried by Fischl. Also The Truth about Raiden. You can check those out to learn more
The only real nice thing about Genshins recent acceleration of powercreep is if I don't like the new best dps (ceiling-wise) for gameplay reasons I only have to wait another 6 months for next biggest dps to be out and they might have gameplay I do like.
About she not being able to swap, to refresh buffs, i think since she only rely on Xilonen to burst, even if she doesn't have a true free swap, it won't be much different.
In Raiden case, switching is ass, because you can't get your burst back, but in Mavuika case this probably won't never happen on her good teams.
Half of her damage is frontloaded, so even if you can't do your full rotation (which since she have infinite IR probably won't be a problem either since her damage window is short), just bursting again won't be as good, but you probably won't feel much the impact of loosing some charge attacks.
One thing that doesn't get talked about often is what happens to Mavuika in Spiral Abyss. She starts chamber 1 with 200 FS and deal huge damage...but when she goes to chambers 2 and 3, you're just gonna use her 100 FS burst cos it could be super slow to build up to 200 again.
And if you just keep building to 200 FS, but you don't do it fast enough, it might just look a lot like every other current top DPS's damage.
You can imagine how you're they're gonna layout Spiral Abyss when they want it to look like Mavuika's gonna be necessary for a particular cycle based on her starting on 200 FS.
and you can also imagine the opposite, when they want Mavuika to start falling out of meta...or at least make her look less desirable for it.
You mean in teams where you don't use another Natlan unit?
I assume next Abysses have 2 or 3 enemies exactly in Mavuika’s range so that Mavuika can just burst and spin while everyone else needs to do grouping?
(It’s quite predictable given how they positioned the enemies in Neuvilette, Nilou, and Kazuha Abysses.)
When they want her to fall off, the enemies will be spaced farther apart or have shields.
Mavuika 80 xilonen 90 =170 before use mavuika use xilonen again =200
Even if you use Kachina, it's minimum 140 points, and everyone else is 160 minimum(80 from that character +80 from Mavuika). Even Kachina can get upto 160 total with her C2 giving her 20 additional points.
the funny thing i find with mavuika is that 90% of her problems comes down to do you have xilonen?
start the floor on 0 fs? 6s and xilo can pump you to 200 fs
she needs another natlan char to be a good support? xilo can be sloteed in almost any team besides anmo and dendro
she doesnt snapshot? xilo buffs last for 500 years
she is truly the xianyun of mavuika's xiao
23:33 I'm glad you brought this up because I don't think people are fully understanding the conundrum of having two Natlan supports on the same team be they Xilonen/Citlali/Ororon and then not knowing what artifact set to use on them. Tentatively my plan is to pull c0 Mavuika and making due with my r5 WGS while snagging a copy of Citlali for my Arlecchino if just for team options at the cost of my Mavuika not being the star of the show.
I am totally okay with waiting for her next rerun for that weapon and maybe constellations because I'm eyeing that upcoming Clorinde/Arlecchino banner that's stacked to high heavens with both Lanyan and Chevreuse so I'll totally be down for risking c1 on either character because of how much I already like them.
i'm also planning on pulling on the clorinde/arlecchino banner after getting mavuika. that banner looks so juicy
I feel for the majority of players they probably won't care about the situation as much, in Overworld squeezing out every single bit of damage in supreme optimal setups is a waste of time when the enemies explode in 1-2 Skill use or 1 burst regardless.
Vs. Abyss F12 or Event Combat Areas on highest difficulty only the absolute sweaty players (like jamie said) is gonna care about Petra shard pick ups to cut down on time. The rest as long as they clear is not gonna care about Scroll overlap from multiple Natlan supports. The Petra set has been in the game for almost 2 years and I've never seen it glazed up as a legit suggestion so much until Mavuika came up. I'm glad jamie called out folks suggesting it as a general option. People ignored the set all these years for a reason (picking up shard was deem too cringe by most). Funny thing though is C1 Kachina may be a good Petra user if the shard suction is as good as Navia or Gorou (I don't have C1 to test out myself).
Midvuika vs Midcchino vs Midvillette.
All three of them have brought out 120% of their potential 🔥
You forgot the middest in the west, Midlani...
and the battle of mid is continue
Who is a better hydro dps, pooalani or poovilette??
i wanna see a fan art of this jjk style.
midhaitham
Obviously it’s subjective but in terms of on-fielder QoL the priority for me is:
1: no reliance on difficult inputs or strict timings
2: hyperarmor
3: large AoE
4: low reliance on having burst at start of chamber
5: no circle impact
6: long/extendable uptime
7: swap flexibility
Neuv being (as far as I can recall) the only DPS that checks all these boxes (at C1) is uh… yeah. He’s him.
I feel like if you have circle impact anyway then the benefits of long uptime and swap flexibility are greatly reduced, that’s why they’re the lowest for me. The whole reason it’s great is cause you can extend your rotation to cover the next wave or finish off a boss you failed to one-rotate, but if your Bennet circle expired/is stuck on the wrong side of the room it doesn’t really feel that much better. Similarly, if you can swap but have low uptime then there’s not much point.
I also feel like swap flexibility isn’t a big deal if you have long duration buffs or can just continuously refresh your buffs in the background, like Xilonen or Chev. But that’s more of a support QoL than an on-fielder QoL.
As for burst reliance, the reason I worded it like that is cause I’m not sure how “burst reliant” Mavuika will end up feeling given how frontloaded Xilonen’s fighting spirit generation is. Even if you start from very low fighting spirit, it’s hard for me to see how it can become a bottleneck. As can be seen from Neuv, even if a character really wants to use their burst, as long as not having it full at the start of the chamber can be played around, it really isn’t a significant QoL issue.
I think the biggest issue with Mavuika right now is that Xilonen and Bennet are in too high demand, it’s gonna suck to go back to Baizhu/Zhongli on Neuv for instance.
What about alheitham, the dedro tall guy? 😐 Everyone forgot the radish nation after fontaine (i don't have him btw, because i don't like his design)
(TLDR is that IMO Alhaitham was always a solid but never an amazing QoL on-fielder even when his main competition was Raiden and on-field Nahida, let alone modern DPS like Neuv and Arle.)
1: Doesn’t rely on complicated or difficult to execute inputs but does use your brain to keep track of how many mirrors you have. Personally I find this quite annoying but it’s a far cry from how poorly I view the experience of playing say Hu Tao or god forbid Ganyu and Lyney.
2: No hyper armor and his better teams from a damage perspective don’t have strong shielding to make up for it. Pretty much disqualified as a high QoL on-fielder from this. Not as bad as others in the same boat but without XQ of course.
3: Good but not amazing AoE in and of himself. Hurt by the fact that most of the damage coming from his teammates is ST.
4: Can start up with skill like Neuv but overall I don’t think he can play around not having burst quite as well. His E cooldown is a lot longer and he doesn’t really have the same dynamic as Neuv who can let his balls hang out on the field for a while and won’t lose any value from that. Still better on this front than like Raiden or Ayaka or Cyno or such.
5: Indeed doesn’t have circle impact
6: His uptime is on the longer end and you can extend it a bit by using less than 3 mirrors so pretty good on this front.
7: Kinda middle of the pack with regards to swap flexibility. He doesn’t have actual freedom like Neuv or Arle, but he can at least split his uptime which makes him again more flexible than characters like Raiden or Cyno or Hu Tao in this regard.
Personally I think Alhiatham has always been a middle of the road character with very stable performance, with neither pronounced strengths nor pronounced weaknesses. He was never particularly high performance from a clear time perspective and the reputation he had of being a “top DPS” was especially in the 4.x era mostly a delusion due to sheet impact. His usage rates were always inflated by low ownership and even then they were never particularly impressive the way Neuv is now or Raiden and Ayaka were in their heyday.
What he had going for him was being the overall best 4th to an incredibly robust 3-man core, similar to c0 Raiden and the national core. The main differences being Raiden brought several extremely tangible QoL improvements that other units couldn’t replicate, namely eliminating the need to min max ER and funnel particles, giving hyperarmor for most of the dps window, and being completely brainless to play. Alhaitham on the other hand always had a more nebulous value proposition. He does a bit more damage and has a good bit better AoE than the other options, while making the team require significantly more brainpower to pilot. Additionally he had to compete with Nahida’s C2 in terms of investment priority.
Clorinde meets a lot of those conditions
Yeah I think it's personal preference, for me my priority is
1. Archon/Dragon
2. Future potential
3. Easy to play
Mavuika's kit looks really fun but she doesnt bring enough for me to bench my previous dps or share their supports, I'll hyper invest in Arle n Clorinde instead. good luck on yall pulls Mavui wanters 👍
Phase 2 banner is way too good to pass on
@zeckrincuff3159 I know right
Same here. And their rerun banner is freakin busted too. Now the only thing missing is the Fragment set on strongbox. Im sick of that damn domain. 6.0 cant come soon enough
@Wreckedandruinedand I COULDNT AGREE MORE
the only my disapointment is how good banner at 2nd half is. Lanyan, Cheverus, Rosaria.
yes, if lacking cons for 4 stars, strictly looking at that 2nd phase is way better, it's not that Diona is bad, but if first place you aren't a Melt player, neither CItlali nor Diona make sense to begin with
puting Rosalia 2nd is also kinda nasty, as she is good fit in Melt teams as well
As someone going for Arle over Mavuika i see it as absolute win
Wishing for four stars and especially their constellations is never worth it unless you actually like the featured five stars.
@vladdyru
Wishing for 5* with dogshit 4* is even worse, especially if you lose 50/50. You just have random standard unit and bunch of trash.
Otherwise you atleast have some great 4*, bruh.
@@UnbelievableLins Depends on the kind of value said five star provides. If you're going for something game-changing like Furina or Yelan constellations, trash four stars don't matter whatsoever. Then again, four stars don't matter at all if you're a long-time player with a bunch of five star constellations - I'm actually happy with getting more starglitter instead.
I will be one of those trying Mavuika + Raiden convo, I have a C2 Raiden so I'll see if the anti-synergy really affects that much the team overall. I was really hoping they would work together since the begining of Natlan :/
This team will not be good since Raiden can't recharge Mavuika's burst and Mavuika's FS doesn't build up resolve stacks !
@sof5495 Ik, but I'll try it either way, lol.
@@sof5495with C1 Raiden one Sarah burst is enough, no?
awesome analysis, this vid cleared many of my doubts regarding clorinde overload team , and xilonens artifacts
Not sure xiangling’s ER pain is quite the same as Maku’s need for natlan teammates. One of these problems auto-solves itself the moment you’ve got the units, and the other keeps hounding players even after they get god pieces.
I have like 200 er on XL and still only get like half her energy full per rotation in a Navia team because I can't be asked to battery her. Mavuika would be much better since she can ult every rotation with Xilonen.
@ yea same it’s terrible. Optimal XL is such god arti and speedrun bait that I find the comparison between her and maku rather bleh.
depends on the team if Solo Xiangaling she need *WAY* higher if no one funneling her like 250-300. if she has any battery like Bennet or Cheverus especially with Fav, 180-200 is sweet spot.
yeah you're right it's not quite the same. one of them can get optimal battery by older 4 star characters, the other really wants you to pull new 5 star teammates released closely on seperate banners to her 🤣
@ I mean sure you can call xiangling cheaper all you want I wasn’t really saying anything regarding that. But in terms of gameplay, maku is solved with having her teammates where as XL is a never ending struggle for most people.
I think you changed the direction of this convo for a gotcha and with all due respect, that’s a little beneath you.
Mavuika's circular AoE is HUGE.Alot of people underestimated Neuvilette's AoE when,/before he came out,and I think its going to be the same for her.
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only reason why she's very restricted is because we haven't gotten a Proper Mavuika 4* support.
I think Kachina was supposed to be Xilonen lite but unfortunately, she sucks and is built as a dps/ subdps.
That's where hoyo fcked up.
At least when they released Furina, we had Charlotte which works well with her.
i’m just concerned about her multi wave performance or if you aren’t able to one rot , i’ve played enough raiden to know the downsides of that damage profile
Mav will be similiar, but I hope she can end some waves by just using her "E mode", not using her bust
With C3R1 Raiden, if anything things tend to die before I can get enough hits in to restore the team's energy, and I expect something similar from C2R1 Mavuika 🙃
This is my concern as well. Most showcases are vs one boss.
@@eru_barth hasn’t been like that since like 3.x. raiden doesn’t have the dpr to one rot these aoe 3+ tanky abyss waves anymore. mav probably does, but not if they spawn away from bennett ult, if you miss a melt, if they aren’t grouped, etc.
@@eru_barth for me CD Raiden burst hold me back. seems i need propper doing my rotation but yea, the Intial hit usually killed em amd when new weave spawn the dmg gonna feels so bad.
Strongly agree on your 14:00 mark take, people nowadays are too obsessed with Dps, things like no vape/melt is bad, xyz had more dpr, must not be reliant on signature weapon, etc. None of these things makes sense for me, getting R1 after Natlan is no longer an impossible thing heck even after the fate system, I started to invest on siggys. Being not reliant on circle impact is the most important for me, able to quick swap is second and third is not burst reliant. Who cares about dpr when you just need to have a enjoyable smooth run during Abyss. I swear content creators sometimes are acting like salesmen selling speedrun metas, but iirc you do separate them to Casual Meta and Speedrun Meta, I would say this distinction is the most important for TC and Content creators.
Bc DPS are a must in this sh*t game and I agree with you on the fact that circle impact s*cks ! We need more options and actual team flexibility !
The issue Raiden has is she needs many hits to regenerate energy. If she gained more on the first big hit, she'd feel better to play. Mavuika seems to be able to get her burst back quickly with the right supports. I think that makes a big difference.
"with the right supports"
you could just throw fav weapons on raiden teams to fix your energy concerns and it would be more universal than natlan restriction
@bushy9780, not entirely. Raiden likes high burst cost characters. I've spent a lot of downtime trying to feed Xiangling through Fav weapons and Bennett particles. It's not always so simple when Raiden kills the enemy with her first hit and doesn't give energy back to her team. When that happens with Mavuika, she continues to gain energy through her skill, while Xilonen can give her a huge bump with her skill and two attacks. I have been playing Raiden for a few years, and this is my biggest problem with her. Mavuika won't be nearly as stuck after her big hit just having Xilonen. You may not max her burst out on every rotation, but she's guaranteed to have it with Xilonen's skill. Raiden can also be a pain to battery when her burst one-hits.
@@jsirivanchai also Fav on Raiden or her teammates is sub-optinal, is a confort pick, in Mavuika case, her kit is designed for her never have energy problems whatsoever, and this be her best case scenario, there's a abyss of difference between both cases
@@jsirivanchai wait nor really, arent 5-6 hit already give enough energy, or 2 NA 1 CA twice. most of time my raiden team even have energy already full when Raiden in her mid ult. mine ER was like 270%
@Kindi001 , My Raiden is C4 with 286 ER. She doesn't have her signature weapon. She will not regain much energy after the first hit. She ends a lot of battles with that strike, leaving the team starving for energy. Chevy helps the next character triggering an overload, but that's not enough to fix the problem. Raiden doesn't generate a ton of particles. Xiangling is terrible, too. She's incredibly reliant on multiple hits during her burst to feed the team.
19:51 the irony of Mavuika *not* having *drive-by* usage.
Will you talk about Citlali? Tbh I'm far more interested in her than Mauika.
I hate the anti-synergy but I'm absolutely gunning for Mavuika's C2 precisely for Raiden. I've not been able to find a stronger comp for Raiden than Overloaded and neither Bennett (res shred expiring too early due to no off field pyro) nor Xiangling (cooldown's too long and sometimes still has energy issues) feels good in practical combat. I'm expecting Mavuika to solve both issues.
Thought of a new rotation that does Mavuika's burst first before Raiden's that might push the latter's Resolve closer to her max (due to longer setup before her burst and getting Resolve from generating particles)
Might live to regret skipping her R1 now if her rerun is with another weapon that sucks but such is the life of the Raiden main.
Mavuika skill > Raiden skill > Chev Burst > Skill x2 > Sara skill > Mavuika burst > CA for 7s > Mavuika skill > Chev skill > Sara burst > Raiden skill > Raiden burst > attacks > Repeat rotation.
Excited to see if this works.
im trying this too but why cant they just make raiden lore accurate smh
Thanks for giving sound advice and cautioning us from feeling fomo etc.
As always, nice perspectives that are well-reasoned and should by no means discourage anyone from pulling a character they love, but are still useful factors to take into consideration!
I am immune to meta hype and pull exclusively characters I think are cute, sadly (or luckily?) neither of the new releases this patch are hitting the right notes for me and Lan Yan is thankfully free. Maybe I'll have the budget for a couple of Baizhu constellations though 💚
Finally, someone said it: she's expensive as heck. I'm tired of huge content creators partnered with Mihoyo leaving this out of their reviews of her. They keep hyping up the damage but not the individual characters that help make that team function.
This will age very well as usual
W takes jamie ❤
I appreciate how blunt and real, but also thoughtful and balanced your insights are, included your observation on the banner strategy.
19:40 not sure I understood the “drive by” concept but I think what’s problematic with Mavuika is that her application is just much less frequent to the point you will have issues in some scenarios. The most obvious one is when you have extra hydro application, so not only no Yelan nor Candace C6 but also you need to properly setup your auras in order to not start driving on Mualani with hydro (which is what happens in that footage with Kazuha swirling hydro in AoE); AoE scenarios are also inherently problematic with Mavuika because of situations caused by two Mualani behaviours, one being a bug:
1. Two bites hit two different enemies each time. This can easily be a problem because missiles come a short time after the bite so “missile enemies” will receive the hydro application quite later than the “bite enemy”, so even if bites are 2.6s slow if you bite an enemy that got just hit by a missile you will apply hydro much faster than 2.6s, fast enough that it’s likely Mavuika won’t catch up and you get a hydro aura.
2. This is the buggy behaviour, which I think is also related to weird phenomenons like Mualani spawning missiles in single target against the Green Big Chungus: if Mualani targets enemy A but the shark bites enemy B instead, the missile will hit enemy B instead of enemy A. This causes two hydro applications in a row and would likely flip the auras unless you are lucky with Mavuika’s skill timing. I consider half a miracle already that Mualani’s bite was silently improved one patch after release (as a “QoL” lol), so there’s no way they will fix this other bug any time soon, it’s more likely they fix Mona’s C1 or Sucrose’s N1 just to mention a few.
Nice video 👌
Btw I made an example with a 2.6s bite interval just for the sake of argument but to be precise Mualani doesn’t bite faster than every 2.4s, in ST every 3s. The average player is likely to bite a bit slower so 2.6 is a reasonable assumption for AoE, even though this wasn’t the point.
This is such a good video, thank you so much. Ppl really go on the hype train of dps, not realizing the disadvantages of it. For me I’m skipping muavika due to my arlecchino. I don’t need another pyro dps when I have a very good one already. And I’m still very much okay with xaingling. I pulled for mualani bc I went into the hype of big dmg, and I don’t use her at all, and stick with my nuevillette. Ppl get so excited for big numbers, that when they get the character, and realize they don’t like the character, it sucks. So please, stick with what you want, not what you see
That Clorinde overload team is going to be incredibly strong, easy to play and feels so nice in whatever cancer there is in the abyss. It's a shame so many people overlook how good Clorinde is because she was released late after the sunk cost in Neuvillette and Arlechino.
14:40 I'd add: can function as both main and sub dps. Not because I'm biased to Mavuika, but because it's just a genuine value increase AND provides more opportunities to use a character you like. As someone who prefers vertical over horizontal investment, and actually using characters I *like*, that's quite relevant for me.
i couldn't find enough info regarding ororon's fighting spirit generation, but shouldn't he be at least pretty good for an overvape mavuika team with furina + bennett?
edit: okay so apparently he should be able to generate around 83 points per rotation which along with mavuika's own 90 it would give her 173 fighting spirit, that should be pretty alright no?
i like how did you explain downside and upside of her,that challenge my opinions,still im going for mavuika,i skip arlechino in fontaine to get next pyro dps from natlan,and hopefully that was a archon,big w🔥
great vid! thanks for pointing out one thing i hate about content creators. After some tilme playing the character and the hype getting down a bit, they tend to downplay them or over glaze the alternative units that come out after. Mavuika could indeed feel pretty mid to play bc of circle impact/ overkill on first hit and short dps window
In mualani team. Mavuika is just a straight upgrade. No one wants to deal with solo xiangling.
Yeah exactly with her 20s cooldown, and 300 ER required
A straight QoL upgrade, but a measly DPS one. You'd get a way higher upgrade by just getting Mualani's constellations directly - you wouldn't be able to refund Mavuika once a better pyro off-fielder is finally out, you know.
@@vladdyru We had to wait an eternity to get an another pyro sub dps.
I think we will have to wait a very long time to get someone who is better than Xiangling and Mavuika now.
At the same time, Mavuika value is falling off because she will be worse than Xiangling with characters who doesn't use Natlan characters on her team. It will happens !
@@Camelia437 I'm perfectly fine with waiting, it beats experiencing buyer's remorse in the future. Characters you pull stay on your account forever, so I'm very much opposed to the idea of getting a temporary band-aid solution that will inevitably become a waste instead of an additional constellation or an extra character.
@@vladdyruforever… until they shut down the servers 😢
I dont hear anyone mention that in overworld you can press E on mavuika + furina and afk clear mobs while having a great exploration unit, she really is a missing piece like you said, helps with 90% of the game content that feels like a chore and will feel worth pulling for the next 320 days at least.
Honestly my current afk team is yae, furina, nahida, flex. I can already just walk around the overworld not doing much to farm lol
Furina, Mavuika, and you just flying with Chasca while the enemies are dead
I wanna go very hard into mavuika
Wdym by that...
HUH
Same man... I also want to unzip mavuika.rar
@@Glast04 he ment every single word.
At first i didnt care about the double new characters. But after seeing the 4 stars…. Ok that’s actually messed up
Jamie the leaker.
She just seems bad if you want to run her as a main dps because of her support requirements. Traditionally dps didn't directly compete with the same supports in their region. Currently have two Natlan limited supports, and she wants to hoard them for herself and Bennett. That'll leave all the other Natlan DPS's without supports. What happened to complete units at c0 that didn't require the supports other dps units wanted. Atleast with Goro, Shenhe and Faruzan they are nich enough that if you wanted to invest in their teams you could and it wouldn't come at the detriment of other dps's. Hoyo is really pushing the invest into sig and early cons to make Natlan characters feel complete. Throw shade all you want at Chiori atleast she had pre existing teams and was still a significant upgrade over Zhongli and Albedo for Navia. Mavi doesn't offer enough to be significantly better than XL as an off field and her on Field requires a completely new regional Natlan archetype. We are already halfway into Natlan, is Mavi just gonna fall off like the cryo dps's of old because the lack of new supports. Seems logical, characters for old regions don't get released very often.
Can Mavuika do burgeon teams, just like Raiden has hyperbloom teams. Mavuika's skill seems to have some aoe pyro pulse effect which may interact with dendro cores. A hybrid burgeon dps team like Bennet Mavuika Furina Nahida seems like a good possibility.
I'm building a team for each element, I have neuvilete, alhaitam, raiden and I'm gonna pull for mavuika right now, next elemnt will probably be cryo.
13:17 you described carry Noelle.
If you run Navia on a duel carry like that, gotta have Chiori or something to generate crystals for her gunbrella. Replace Xiolnen or Benny.
100% on the vertical investment. I’m a moderate spender in Genshin and F2P in Star Rail, and my HSR account teams do much better because I started that game with very clear focus on vertical team building, but my Genshin teams are much more scattered. It helps HSR has far fewer characters
I hate this, they recreated my fav character in the game. They made her annyoying, worse looking, have a stupid motor cycle and then had the audacity to do more damage. WHY cant electro have a vape equivalent im tired of hearing the benefits of these stupid pyro and hydro mains. RAIDEN SUPREMACY (hoyo pls buff her)
The Raiden Shogun argument is not completely valid, if you want compare Raiden shogun popular teams you have to do it a similar level of investment, Raiden at c0, her most popular teams are National, Chev and HB, those teams are kinda underwhelming compared to the new teams we have nowadays and compared to Mavuika at c0. You cannot also leave the dmg part outside of the discussion because they matter a lot when you trying to compare to other dps's in longer fights, the reality is Mavuika is going to kill enemies faster than Raiden does, making the low uptime less of an issue. Now if we get into the speed run topic where people vertically invest, there is not even a comparison anymore. So the reason why people diss Raiden for her short uptime is not just because of it, is because she needs c2/c3 to be comparable whit modern teams dps's at C0.
Raiden also just falls off a cliff once her burst ends while mavuika just gets put into her Hold E which does less damage than the enhanced version but can still finish off a wave.
Vertical investment is what I have started doing. To make whatever Character the best they can be…..Also means in general I will be pulling fewer Characters overall. It’s fine as my main account is packed. Have Ororon and Xilonen and plan I skipping 5.3…
Xiangling on mualani team is actually far from clunky if you build her enough er (it's not that hard if you forgo 4 petra for 2 scroll). And even without it you can still use guoba and still do considerable even when she doesn't get the full buff.
Thinking about team commitment and trends, Raiden came out over 3 years ago. I got Raiden up to C2 over the years (still R0/the catch) and have not once ever felt that her contribution was inadequate. Her teams haven't really changed much for me either (not that she hasn't gained a wide variety of support options in general). If I didn't grab that C2 on a re-run at some point, I could be feeling differently.
Just adding to your comment that if you want the longevity, you gotta commit a bit to the team. To me, nabbing her C1 and then getting C2 over the years should be satisfactory.
This is the exact thing that happened to me. I saved 60,000 primos for her, then realized I was screwed since I skipped every single natlan character. I’m doing fine with my current teams, but i genuinely wanted another archon. I know I can spend my primos on constellations, but finding out she NEEDS xilonen to play the best ruined my urge to wish for her. I luckily have really good artifacts for arlecchino so I can just put my primos into her, and maybe spend remaining pulls on shenhe for my ayaka support.
It’s a good thing I built pity on xilonen banner and accidentally got her and have 110 pulls to hopefully get both Citlali and mavuika 😁😁
Just when I was looking for a Jamie video to put on you come out with this one.
I have alot of thoughts on Mauvika and Natlan's character design and I would like some Jamie community discourse.
I primarily dislike how 'cash-grabby' Mauvika feels:
1. Mauvika is very pushy with how she NEEDs so much investment into Natlan specific supports to be strong rather than being a char who synergises well with existing chars like previous archons. Unless you pick up C1 , you NEED a different Natlan four or five star to play her in her intended role. It feels restrictive and a little predatory.
2. Mauvika doesn't seem like a good sub dps the way people are suggesting? I haven't been seeing good numbers for it. It seems like its more for application than damage.
3. Her doing big damage to me doesn't mean much to me since I care more for convenience and versatility which Mauvika (and other Natlan DPS) has not been in my opinion.
Some of my Mauvika gripes have more to do with how Hoyo has chosen to design Natlan more than the archon herself.
4. It feels sketchy that Hoyo essentially locked Natlan chars into their own exclusive artifacts and teamates, feels like they're trying so had to squeeze players from all angles to play these new chars.
👋I can add my discourse: yeah I also dislike how not even subtle the tactics are for this banner (as well as her design decisions). obviously they are a business first so they can totally do what they want, but yeah I'm also allowed to be not surprised that it's leaving a sour taste in peoples mouth. and yeah as for her sub dps vs xiangling, most of the calcs you see are assuming her burst+natlan supports which could be a bit deceptive since it's not quite looking at off-field vs off-field. they generally also do not factor in xiangling can hit more than the minimum. except I did see it discussed in a Flip recent video.
She only "needs" Xilonen, who was a must pull anyway.
@Seance117
"I already have Zhong and Kazuha, i don't need Xilonen" people in shambles.
I like her bike and how it scales walls like Xilonen and Kachina can. Her exploration in general, and just how she looks and plays just seems like fun. Contrary to Raiden, I can have fun with Mavuika in and out of combat. So I think I'll still be using her, Xilonen, Chasca, and Citlali. Even long after their time, and newer characters have arrived.
I'm realling hoping for Pyro Traveller, Citlali and Lan Yan videos soon as Mavuika has so much coverage and others little to none (especially comparison between Citlali and Lan Yan is pretty much non existent, everyone seems to only compare Citlali with Zhongli)
yes, sadly the community doesn't help at all, it's always the same "big numbers" thing and whatever
at the end, it sadly ends up that I do personally almost look at the least on my own with homdgcat, for instance, and analyze kits myself or with friends.
but it's true, it's rarely expectable from CC
All you need to know about lanyan is that she is broken as hell one of the new best 4 stars in the game at c0
Are you not concerned about being unable to clear the theatre if you only vertically invest in characters?
There should be enough 4 stars in the game, for you to still be able to clear if you build them.
Theatre is kind of a joke so far, just throw your half built fodder characters at the early floors. Unless Hoyo does a Cryo+Geo theatre, then we’re cooked 🔥
You just need 4-5 higher invested character and their team consisting of 3 fodder units
You can easily clear theater with your hyper unit and whichever busted friend support you invite.
But remember this is a casual game and IT isnt abyss its too random to be excessively difficult.
The IT boons are also incredibly powerful that any halfway decent team of the 3 favored elements can clear.
Just get a few C6 5* friends to cover the elements you are weak in if you are that worried.
Truthfully I think the idea that theater rewards horizontal investment is a bit of a myth. Levelling characters to the minimum requirement is not what I would call horizontal investment. It rewards vertical investment just as much considering you can clear floors with 1 built character + 3 dogs.
Question for Chasca: i have her at C2 and i run her with Furina Xilonen Bennett, i was wondering should i go for Citlali to replace Xilonen with her or Mavuika, and since i have C2 i won't lose any passive stacks/bullets by having two of the same element. I do have Arlechinoo as well but Mavuika bringing a new gameplay and exploring with the motorcycle is kinda fun/tempting too.
Would appreciate your help
This is how Hoyo is trying to bait us with "New gameplay". I suggest that you get Arle's weapon/cons instead of Mavuika. Jamie did explain in the video that you are going to be better off in the long run when you upgrade what you already have rather than investing in redundancy, chasing every new shiny 5*. Mavuika is just another pyro dps and will not bring much value to your account especially if you already have an Arlecchino or maybe you just got a ton of money to spend at which point it doesnt matter what you do.
And yeah you should replace Xilonen for Citlali since she gives give Hydro/Pyro res shred for Chasca's infused bullets as well as a shield. You dont need two healers in that team.
Citlali replaces Furina, not Xilonen.
At C2 Chasca wants buffers. Citlali, Xilonen, Bennett are all better than both Mavuika and Furina.
@@gamesdivision6511 Citlali already provides scroll set and res shred, Xilonen's shred will not do anything nor does she deals damage and scroll set will not stack. Furina deals good damage and provide DMG buff and bennett gives her fanfare.
@@snailwhale6673 No.
Xilonen reduces res shred of both Pyro and Cryo. Citlali will only res shred Pyro and Hydro. If anything, it makes Xilonen even more valuable than she already is for C2 Chasca.
Furina in place of Xilonen will only mess up reactions. But if you want to have fun wasting a CA or multiple ones by proccing freeze instead of a guaranteed melt, go ahead.
Artifacts set do not matter. With Xilonen, Citlali, Bennett you have access to Petra, Scroll, Noblesse and Instructor with no drawbacks. If you want Citlali on Scroll, Xilonen can easily take Petra or Instructor.
You either run Furina-Xilonen-Bennett for Vapes or upgrade and go with Citlali-Xilonen-Bennett for Melts.
Xilonen-Bennett are irreplaceable for C2+ Chasca.
The initial hit will still be a million even during Sneznaya, big numbers are kinda fun to hit. It might take some time, but I can try collecting her best supports as they are kinda universal.
I mean, even mualani on release were able to hit 1.3 mil with her ult.
@try2fly Which is a real great thing tbh, more characters with great damage, for different people. People can hence choose to invest in the character they like, without finding the damage lackluster.
@@scarface9405 im just saying this so people wouldn't praise Mavuika for her 1 mil like its something unique and amazing. Its nice, but thats just a good nuke. Thats it. :0
@@scarface9405 It’s great as long as you forget about the early cast that has to rely on support constellations to keep up with these great on-fielders - my 12 cost Ayaka team that I’ve been slowly and painfully accumulating for over a year is still going to be worse than a generic 6 cost Mavuika team.
@@try2fly Mavuika's 1+ mil nukes are far far more accessible. The average Mualani build will do 600K at best.
1+ mil is only for insane builds or crit fishing attempts.
Mavuika needs just a decent build to get to 1 mil.
The main DPS preference points at 13:51 were helpful to me to think why a team "feels" good to me or not.
Thinking about it, my priorities for a DPS team are:
1. Can follow mobile enemies (automatically means no Circle impact)
- but I don't want to just have infinite range like a spinning top Neuvilette as I find that boring
2. Moderate AoE size (like at least Kaeya burst radius for the stronger hits)
3. Can swap out
4. Variable DPS window length
5. Light interruption resistance if the team loses major damage from breaking their attack chain, so I can choose to attack through a single hit rather than dodge around
(Don't care about energy as I'm loaded with Favonius weapons, and as long as the damage can 36 star when slightly countered, it's fine to me.)
Due to non-circle impact being #1 on my list, main DPS "Mavuika system" is a skip for now: I'm better off finding a DPS that doesn't draw a circle with their charged attack.
I click on every unrelated Genshin video hoping to hear about artifact loadouts lol
00:00 good point
Okay I need some advice: i have a good neuvillete (c2 r1) and furina (c6 r1) both of them together garuntees a complete clear of one half of abyss. My other main dps is raiden (c3 r1) mixed and match sometimes "quick bloom" with c2 nahida and sometimes cheveruse overload, so far I havent had much trouble with the abyss and easily 36 star it after a couple of tries at max. Should I get Mauvika and Citlali ? (i like them both and have 400 pulls saved up and am on garuntee), I'll be honest as much as I like mauvika and citlali (mostly for the exploartion benfits ) I like skirk, columbina and capitano more. I'm not a big fan of the rest of the natlan cast so I will not be getting xilonen, but I do have ororon. Therfore I probably won't vertically invest that much in Mauvika's team (max a c1 (prefferably c0) Mauvika and c0 Citlali) but I see it as more of a horizontal investment fot IT as i have no good pyro (excluding benny and xiangling) and cryo charchters. What do you think?
I , think, take C2/3 R1 Arlecchino and forget about Natlan.
@MrQ699 I thought about this as well but I just don't enjoy her bond of life mechanic idk why she's just not for me.
@@dominicbinoy6939 I thought the same thing until I took a chance and bought her an R1C2. And I didn't regret it, the mechanics were very simple. You press "E" and do everything else - with the left mouse button, sometimes you do a charged attack (you get used to it quickly). And playing as her, it sometimes seems to me that all the other characters only hinder her (egoist character)). This is just my opinion, the choice is always yours, but she deserves a chance)
you said yourself that you like them both, so test them out and if you still like what you see, get them. with both of them you can make the Mav/Cit/Sucrose/Bennett team, which I assume will be feasible to play while being her second best team for dps, and Bennett is the only core character that you might miss on other teams by doing that, which might not even be a problem to you, since you got team options without him.
also, the only character on your wishlist that you could worry abt for now is Skirk, bc we don't know how soon she'll release, while the other 2 are definitely not releasing in the next 6 months (Capitano might not even be playable at all, sadly) and I don't even think Skirk is releasing in patch 5.4 already, so you can can wait for drip marketing just to be sure she's not there before deciding wether to pull for characters in 5.3 or not
Good breakdown. I will say regarding this part: “Don’t jump on the hype train and build every new DPS” - I’ve pulled for basically whoever I want and I haven’t had any issues with any content in the game. I grind out a 200CV artifact set and then move on to the next character. I play the game very differently than you, I don’t pull weapons or constellations but I can 36 star and get platinum combat event rewards no problem. I don’t really think this advice is one size fits all. A wide roster has served me very well, and frankly kept me from getting bored of the same old units. I do agree that advice to not feel pressured to pull any particular character, including archons like Mavuika is good advice though.
One more thing, most players using Mavuika in a mostly off field role alongside other Natlan supports will probably just keep her on Codex to get some more damage instead of worrying about Petra or Instructor and it’ll be just fine. With that set she can do a decent amount of damage more than XL at the cost of some buffing, which for speed runners is a very bad trade off but for most players (who frankly don’t use those sets at all) it will be fine and deliver good results
Citlai and Mavuika banners on the same half is probably the dirtiest thing they’ve done.
The upside is no waiting for Citlali if one has the primos. It's just frontloaded primo demand. Not a problem for those who saved and will then save in 5.3 part 2.
I mean mavuika is the new archon she's going to have a rerun for sure skipping her rigth now isn't a bad thing
Very good advice.
Stop chasing the meta. Choose your character and target their best team.
Any well Invested with good supports and weapons and proper team rotations will always outperform so called Meta units.
This is also why Supports are more valuable than Dps.
F abyss, every patch it changes. And new teams are better than others.
As for Theatre. You need 2 decently built dps of all 3 elements. (6 in total whatever way) And 5 Sustain units. And the rest can be anything. Try to throw as much energy as possible. Get all your stagnant units to 70. And that's that.
10 stella is super hard like this but you don't need stellas anyway.
You don’t need that much on-fielders at all - the first two chambers can be completed by the opening cast, which leaves you with the need for a grand total of four over all three elements, and one of those four can be borrowed from a friend.
"Stop chasing the meta" unless you really suck at this game like I do ! For which, you HAVE TO follow the meta ! And most of the players don't have enough money to heavily invest on their DPS !
@@sof5495 just run traveller hyperbloom and it will literally carry you through the entire game while being stupid easy to play haha
Yea, understanding your DPS and their needs is always enough to clear most abyss atm. Do not give up to your fomo just because some players saying that she is the new shiny best DPS if you don't like her. We all have limited resources so spend them optimally only on units you really like.
very nice video sir jamie
happy you enjoyed it!
already have enough dps units and some are highly invested into (c1r1 neuvillette and c0 r1 homa arlecchino) most likely i'll pull for citlali or just get more cons for arle or just save for future characters
My only pyro carry has been hu tao since 1.3 and I pulled for mualani, xilonen, and ororon. So mavuika fits pretty good on my account
mihoyo really screwed mavuika up.
although aesthetically incoherent with the world, it wouldve been more acceptable if the bike is only in her special travel kit.
however fighting with a motorcycle doing donuts, is ugly af.
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before some dumbass say "then just use normal attacks" , yeah sure, that's as dumb as using charge attacks with arle, or normals with neuvi.
I know this will be unrelated since this is about meta, and sound weird
But I don't want to play mavuika for best strength, i want to play mavuika for mavuika. And i cannot use her entire kit without xilonen or citlali, whom I don't care about. Actually i care about citlali but I simply can't get both, and care about mavuika more. I like having options, and ororon is just chevruse overload, as ororon himself can ruin melt set ups. So its just overvape using furina or raw damage.
And sure I could get c1... but I also avoid constellations on 5 stars, especially the new ones, because I actually want to fight stuff. But mavuika is now either don't get her, or get c1, almost no in between.
Though for a semi related point critic. I know you said if one wants to use mavuika, they should just get her supports. And yeah that's true.
But her supports were missle fired before her release and before we knew about her burst costs. The people skipped xilonen for whatever reason, and maybe didn't have time to farm every day to get enough both mavuika and citlali, we, have to wait for reruns, and citlali is a cryo character! She'll go into chronicle before she gets a rerun. Joke I'm joking, but we know rerun banners is an issue. And there's only 2 5 star supports, or 2 4 stars (chervuse ororon) that can make teams that utilise her kit.
This is just forcing players to need to read leaks honestly.
Yes i know, xilonen is kazuha level busted. But again, someone like me can simply not care.
I did say my comment would be unrelated or semi related with meta.
Not even mentioning that the character preview already showed that, based on guess work, we only have 3 other natlan characters, are all of them gonna be supports? Course not.
As for supports capabilities... she really made me see how pyro sub dps aren't that widely used actually, mualani and kinich are the ones that actually need one.... and I only see wriothesley and clorinde, as the other viable option.
She doesn't seem to be a Wanderer buff therefore she is not getting my primos.
rip
cant wait to get my Dante-riding-Cavaliere genshin character
meanwhile queen arle with a 3* weapon and all 4* teammates destroying every content 🔥
As a f2p with really good luck, i got every natlan character except kinich in under 30 pulls. I will get mauvika and citlali. Already have c0 r1 xilonen for her as well
Honestly I kinda feel blessed by losing 50/50 in Arlechino banners, cause from there I saved a lot primogems for Natlan character, and now I can get the best team with Xilonen and Citlali for my C2 Mavuika
4:50 very interesting point tbh. This is why i always think vertical investment is the way to go once we get the big power shift in games. Like vertical investing acheron, miyabis, and in genshin case i vertical invested into c6 yelan, these characters have made the games content so trivial to the point that it doesn't matter if the game archetypes change, i can always rely on these teams to destroy any and all content
the thing is, that level of vertical investment is almost never needed in genshin. thats not the case in HSR and ZZZ, where enemy HP pools have increased at a far greater rate than they ever did in genshin, and so you need vertical investment in your older characters if you want them to compete with newer ones.
ofc if youre talking speedrunning, then thats another story. constellations are kind of a no brainer for that.
@@_mako Even in HSR I feel Vertical Investment is actually very risky in these games so I actually recommend against it. The more vertical investment the chance of the meta shifting against you and ending up with no viable way to clear content (more so in HSR, like for example toughness lock) increases.
There's also a more psychological thing but Hoyo does powercreep a lot more on cons than the C0 baseline and if you aim for "the best" going vertical can often be quite demoralizing. For example C6 Yelan or Nahida nowadays is significantly weaker than newer C6es like Arlecchino. If you don't want to save up for a year to cash in on a C6 only to see the next C6 DPS doing 100k more DPS then it's not wise to C6 anyone.
Have u consider the fact that mavuika doesnt have pay energy tax , she gets er from nightsoul points but it doesn't matter what element it is , so u can play 3 different elements and if all of them have nightsoul , she will generate her brust very fast , it doesn't matter what element they have unlike xianling who have issues in cryo or hydro teams. I think that is very good , i have 100 perfent uptime on her brust . Its basically a skill
Ayeee I’ve been saying the same thing about powercreep/gacha hype.
In HSR, my favorite team is Kafka DoT and I have been able to max clear all end game modes with that team on one side.
I see all this noise about "must-pulls" or "insane powercreep", but when I cut all that out, the OG teams that I want to play can complete the hardest available mode.
In my experience, unless you're into speedrunning or O-cycling, powercreep doesn't really exist. There will always be stronger teams/units, but unless you're chasing after a personal record, it shouldn't really affect you. Weaker teams/units at low costs can still max out all content.
If you're constantly comparing units beyond a standard that exists then sure there is powercreep but for the hardest available content, it doesn't really matter
Hey, would you mind telling me how your DOT team looks like and how you built everyone? I have Kafka and Sampo but no idea who else to put in there and therefore struggle to use DOT in the MoC :(
@@isabelle.qb9146 not the original poster but I play kafka, black swan, lingsha and either ruan mei or robin.
@ thanks for the answer. Issue is I already have Ruan Mei and Lingsha in my Firefly Break Team…
@@isabelle.qb9146 do you have guinafei ? She's good tho same for gallagzr
I might actually skip cuz of the bike. It's so bad, what were they thinking
For me its the bike + another on field (i like playing Diluc lol) + using Xilonen that is already tied to Neuv.
There's people who absolutely love the bike and those who hate the entire design because of it.
Why does the community need to be so polar?
@@ronnieketchum1241variety exists because people like different things if everyone liked same stuff then things like gacha and Pokemon wouldn't exist in the first place
Thats very true. This looks so bad and especially when spamming attacks.
Agree, the cheap bike in COMBAT is not giving GOD OF WAR at all. RIP to the badass warrior goddess playstyle 💀
Since after Raiden c3 fiasco I don't fall anymore for characters that only have damage. Especially characters that rely on bennet but have melee range. The way abyss enemies spawn rn just counter circle impact(I still use bennet, I still love him, but I have to admit that the circle impact is getting worse and worse) and honestly that non swap problem it's so annoying, just like it's with Raiden Shogun. Arlecchino is just something else, it's the most fun DPS for me atm because I can play whatever I want and it will work
My last pull was arle during fontaine patch..i got tons primo saved untouched..no natlan character i like..but mavuika exploration gimmick kinda nice..but as u said..we r in natlan..in future she might be benched..like my hutao ayaka ganyu raiden many others i no longer play..have no problem full star abyss n theatre every patch…still thinking whether to pull her or wait for skirk..which i like
I have a build c1r1 hu tao a build arle c1r1 and i’m still going for mavuika 😭😭 i have xilonen and am planning on pulling for citlali but ig the main reason im pulling mavuika is actually for future cryo characters (i’m coping)
the Xilonen being more cluncky, for what people are calculating, you have two exits for this that is have Xilonen petra like you said, that isn't that cluncky at all to use, since she will generate a shard near her and you can just pick up before switching or using Codex Mavuika and focus on her own damage to compensate a buff set, since Codex Mavuika might outdamage buffing your own DPS with scroll on her.
actually xilonen shard isnt always close near her since this is one of the main premise behind archaic petra xiangling in mualani teams ie. xiangling picking up the shard left by xilonen. so its viable on xilonen but by all means clunky.
@jamiekb9v fair enough, but i said isn't that cluncky, compared with the other petra popular option Zhongli, i can get both the crystal and pick it fairly easy with Xilonen compared with Zhongli, with Zhongli the shard generation is ultra cluncky.
i needed this video. i knew i was going all in on Citlali but still kinda wanted Mavuika as well and even though i got a fair bit saved was willing to spend. i think i'll leave it be though, stick with Citlali. i just don't need another Pyro DPS
13:21 my perfect character would be your exact list in that order lol except swapping the hyperarmour to be no.1 and big aoe to be no.2
Her kit is a blunder in both on-field because of the horrendous animations and off-field because of how little she actually provides. I’d rather just stick to Xiаngling and go for Furinа constellations instead.
I am kinda lucky, because I completly skipped sumeru patches and half inazuma, and when I came back to genshin pulled for neuvillete and furina when they came out, quitted genshin again until 5.1, and had a big amount of wishes saved, so pulled xilonen, then nahida, and now I almost have enough to go for mavuika, cotlali amd possible a weapon.
Yeah Im hyped for Archon's, so every new region Im gonna farming and collecting new characters beyond that Ill just quit and saving the primo. Skip 5.4 - 5.7 patches and gonna back at 6.0 I guess 😅
Great video, very informative.
Jamie plz save us, we f2p players need a team and rotation guides for mavuika without citlali and xilonen
Neuv checks all the boxes on your “most op character trait” list. 😅
As someone who skipped Xilonen because she didn't really offer a lot for my account, I'm glad I follow leaks and decided to pull C0 Ororon for my Mavuika because otherwise... 💀
I don't have Arlecchino so if I didn't follow leaks I would have probably pulled for her instead and it wouldn't have changed a lot but thankfully that's not the case
I agree so fcking much with the perfect character ranking, I absolutely hate character that are burst reliant
The way your channel has literal video convincing people to SKIP XILONEN banking on the fact MAVUIKA CAN USE SCROLL FOR MUALANI made this whole Mavuika videos of yours a whole ahh joke. It’s funny seeing someone so gungho about speedrunning clown on the best speedrunner unit in existence because of wrong advices in the past IJBOL.
He couldn't have known Mavuika relies on Xilonen but also that wasn't even an insane prediction to make. That Xilonen will synergize with future Natlan units.
@ brother, advicing anyone to skip the most flexible unit in the game is just plain wrong and evil, especially newer players. Moreover, Xilonen literally is the only one who can shred element-infused enemies like Tulpa. His supporters just need to wake tf up about this man’s clear biases 💀
Hopefully we also get a sub-DPS/EM focused Natlan set eventually.
You mean instructors?
@@luminous3558 I mean an off-field 5 star Instructors.
I can't for the life of me play with VV or Instructors. Buff duration feels too scuffed.
Im just waiting for Arlecchinos rerun and Xianglings outfit ❤