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APRS (analog and digital) with Anytone D878UV (195)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2019
- This is the promised follow-on video to my review of the Anytone D878UV DMR handheld (see • Review of Anytone D878... ). This is my first time to use DMR APRS and I walk you through how to set up the radio for digital APRS. The radio is also capable of analog APRS. Dive in!
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APRS was developed by Bob Bruninga of Glenn Burnie, MD. His call is WB4APR. He named his software, after his call, APRS. I know this because I spoke with him personally on the phone, shortly after he designed the program. It was never called, "automatic position reporting system", or "automatic packet reporting system" or anything else. In fact, he said to me, "I don't know who made that up, but it's simply the last three letters of my call and I stuck an S on the end.
Bob was a great guy, he's really missed. RIP, WB4APR
Great video!! This is THE definitive guide to setting up APRS on the D878. Thank you.
Wow, someone that explains it in detail that and old guy like me can understand. Thank you
Thanks David, you are a natural teacher.
Dave where were you when I was in High School? You are a great teacher, thank you.
I could have used him in college!
Thanks for the video, maybe an older video but still has fairly relevant information. This is a better explanation than a lot of other videos as you take more time to explain some of the reasoning for making specific settings. 73
Thank you. I just realized I better stick with analog. So much mess isn't meant for old hams. Radios supposed to be simple. Push to talk release and listen.
Very detailed video! Thank you for sharing all this information!
I am new to DMR and APRS and this is the best video I have seen on it. 13:00 is just the info I was looking for. I was wondering how I find out what DMR repeater has the APRS TG. Very Important info. Thank You Dave.
Had TO pack my Shack up quite some time ago (Before DMR) to provide Elder Care (Mom) at her Home. Just getting Back into the Hobby and Your Help is so helpful. Thank you!
Welcome back!
thank you. i was programming my 878 when you posted the video. i did the walk through with you good thing i did. Thank You for all you do.
I ordered an 878uv this morning and found your video(s) a couple hours ago, they are awesome! I will be watching the videos again before programming the radio. Thank you.
I looked all over the internet for the information how to upload the software for my new Anytone radio and after looking for hours I saw this post and got everything up and running. I have been a fan and follower of your post for a few years and I always find something interesting and original here. Anytime I see anyone asking where to know how to get their amateur license I point them your way and tell them that you can take them from Tech to Extra in an easy to understand way.
Again thank you. 7 3 DE: KF0XO
I watched this video not expecting to find an answer, I have had my 878 for a year or so and digital APRS has not worked for most of the time, strangely enough it originally did when I set the radio up but I seemed to kill it somehow, didn't worry too much since the GPS rarely gets a position lock in the house anyway. The CPS software (1.16 firmware) has changed subtley and things have moved, the clue was APRS report channel in the RF channel settings. All working again now, I look forward to breaking it again soon! It was your video that got it cracked although the CPS is slightly different.73
Just ordered an 878. Looking forward to all this complexity! Keeps the brain nimble. Thanks.
That was great, David… I just bought the 878UV Plus so still learning a lot about a lot of things… this video is a great way to know what settings I need… Thanks for the needed raindrops! "What I know is a raindrop - what I don't know is an ocean." Isaac Newton. Thanks again David! 73 de Robert K3RRR
Dave, thank you for making this video. I really appreciate all the help your giving me in regards to purchasing my first radio. :)
Thanks for the comprehensive video. I have APRS working on DMR now.
Thanks, Dave! I received my D878UV a couple of days ago, and spent yesterday getting a codeplug to work. I decided to tackle Digital APRS today, but have so far been unsuccessful. I modified my codeplug while watching your video which SHOULD make both digital and analog APRS work, but have run out of time this evening. I hope to upload it to the radio tonight or early tomorrow morning. As a long-time APRS user, I am really excited about this. Thanks again. --Mark, KE6BB
Mark P I’m curious to know how things are with your D878UV, I might buy this as my first HT, thanks
Thanks for the video Dave. I am setting up my D578 today.
thank you for the detailed info
Was a tough choice between yaesu 70 but I just bought 2 AT D868UV BT GPS. Your vids really gonna help in programing both, and using all its capacities. I have uniden 536 and needed something for, treking, camping, etc. Your detailed walk thru of APRS is eye opening informative. :Your pain is our gain, just subscribed, here in San Antonio, tx, ham newbie.
Very informative! Suddenly I feel a need to get this HT.
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Me too!!!
I love mine so much that I just bought the 578UVPro Mobile! They both work great!!! Well worth the money and as good as any Motorola, ICOM, Yeasu, Kenwood, and Alinco I have ever owned.
Hi Dave. Excellent comprehensive video. Just a comment about sending APRS on DMR. Not every DMR repeater will accept APRS. TG 310999 has to be turned on by the repeater operator. My experience in the NYC metro area is that none of them allow it as it ties up the time slot, so they have turned it off. Having said that, it goes over my hot spot without a problem and the local 144.390 APRS frequency works well.
Thanks for the info
Holy crap, you drive at exactly 30 MPH everywhere you go? Amazing.
Dave, thanks for this DMR APRS video. I have successfully now sent position data that appears on aprs.fi. You made it all make sense. Really appreciate you.
On another note, CPS software 1.11 is now available at ConnectSystems.com
Wow, simply put...Amazing video.
I was just thinking that we "need" a new video from you, and here one pops up. kismet! :)
Great video. Thanks for this. Very helpful setting up my new 578 mobile which basically has the identical CPS configuration.
Thank you - very helpful. Few changes to the layout with the new firmware 1.21 but seems to work ok
Always good vids, Dave. I've the 868, like it. On APRS operating via DMR, I actually Igate from IS to RF, my DMR beacon, essentially getting an analog benefit!
Thanks Dave. I recently purchased the Alinco DJ MD5TGP which is very similar to the Anytone (heard that the Alinco is made by Anytone) and this video has been very helpful.
Great video with a lot of information. Only one correction. 10 minutes are 600 seconds and not 1,200 seconds.
73, KN4VDW
Awesome video and super thorough! I love my AT-D878UV thank you for sharing!
Saving for later. This radio is being delivered on Monday.
Excellent video as always Dave. Ive learned everything about ameature radio from your videos. Still need to get licensed, hoping to possibly do it online soon with this Corona going on 73 from north central BC
Thanks Dave!
I wished I lived out there, Denver area is getting pretty packed
TKS David to share these useful infomations!!
73 from Paulo PY2WZR - Brazil
Dave, this is one of your best. Truly tutorial and truly advancing the hobby. Thanks from a newbie. KD9PDE
Awesome Dave, thanks. AE7VE
Dave is breaking down!
Decimal degrees has been the ISO standard and the highest precision format. But in the US, navigators still use DDD.MM.SS format, and that is the presumed default here. Mixing formats can lead to big errors, unless you've got a magic server converting and correcting them, FWIW. Maybe Brandmeister is doing that too?
Sometimes I see ddd mm.mmm too. It can be very confusing.
You vid gave me confidence to purchase two 878btgps HT's, save me lotsa time as a newbie to HAM, almost bought FT3dr, but DMR seems more prolific although Texas has some Fusion going on. Gonna see that DMR APRS in action on APRS.fi, dont think it can recieve although I see a APRS recieve toggle.
Hi Oggy. Hope you don't mind but I am putting a sheet together to setup the Anytone D878UV for APRS in my local area of Sheffield here in the UK and have put a link to his you tube video.
I could not get into Brandmeister. It ask what the wavelength for UHF I put in 70 cm. It didn't like that so I put in 99.9 to 9.99 it didn't like that. It didn't like anything I put in. Do I need to take it out more places?
Brand Meister is found at brandmeister.network.
Very informative Dave thanks a lot!
This video needs an update since we are at CPS 1.16. For instance, one quirk in the CPS setup in in the analog "PATH" setting. I've found that any spaces or punctuation marks will not work. For example: WIDE1-1 WIDE2-1 will not work. Likewise, WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 will not work. However, WIDE1-1WIDE2-1 will work. This is why many folks who use the 878 use WIDE2-2 to get it to work. Otherwise, nice and informative video. AE7MU
I believe in the video I said to do it without a comma or a space
@@davecasler - Oh, ok. I missed it I guess. I really enjoy your videos. Do you have any dealing with SMS on the AnyTone 878? Plus, I think I'm up to CPS 1.16, which has some noticable differences between the 1.10. Thanks for your videos.
Thanks for the videos.
Useful and well executed. Thanks!
When you went to Brandmeister, I didn't hear you say anything about registering to set up an account. Your page isn't anything like what I see. Hopefully when I get an account set up and find that page I can then flow what you are going. The page before went here there were things on the page that you have and what my software has. I am having fun with this. I need something to keep my brain going, but this is more than I thought it would be. I love your videos! I stopped the video until I get logged in and find that page.
Great Dave - Thanks a bunch!
Wow, that is a lot to take in. I am a new ham so I am on information overload right now and not sure my sixty year old nOGgin can take it. Thanks for the videos!
Kevin KE0UXC
Kevin, Setting up a DMR radio, and especially one with digital AND analog APRS, is no easy task. It made my head spin at first, too. Occasionally, it still baffles me. I still don't have digital APRS working...yet. Keep researching things and your knowledge will grow. Remember, you eat an elephant one bite at a time! Get a DMR radio, and start learning. --Mark, KE6BB
My brain is thirty five years old, and it’s pretty well fried from all of this as well, so you’re definitely not alone!
Another question. Do you have a link to how to use aprs to send text messages or email? Is that a different routing information or different text or both?
Check out www.aprs-is.net/email.aspx. I haven't tried it in a few years, but I suspect it's still around.
SSID - Service Set ID. Basically the common name for your device. I.e. you’re WiFi router SSID might be “Dave’s WiFi” instead of “M63CH1” for example
Dave, I understand that my Anytone 878 is a DMR but are my FT3DR and my FT5DR analog APRS sources? (I keep them set yo 144.39) Thanks and 73, Tom KC3QAC (-7)
This was a perfect video! Thank you so much! 73 de VA3BKG
Any updates? i dont have a slot to enter APS talk group in APRS page
Fantastic Video, thank you!
Your SSID should be 7 ( -7 walkie talkies, HT's or other human portable )
-5 Other networks (Dstar, Iphones, Androids, Blackberry's etc)
-6 Special activity, Satellite ops, camping or 6 meters, etc
Thank you for this video! 73, N7FSN
Very well explained. 73
Dave I don’t know if I mentioned it but there is no analog APRS that anytone is saying. APRS is a digital transmission since its packet data. It is causing a confusion on the aprs world.
Came here to see how to configure Digital APRS - Great video! Also realized that you have my name and call on your printout there! 73 - Dan KB0RTQ
At 18:44, my radio doesn't have GPS so do I have to turn on the "Fixed Location Beacon" to send APRS messages? It's a handheld that I use when commuting so the coordinates would be wrong anyway.
Multiple times you say this radio can send and receive aprs messages but every source I've found so far says it can only send messages buy not receive.
Awesome video, one issue. I login into BM SelfCare and I set my APRS as per your video. I thentry to save the entries and it will not, it reverts back to the defaults. Can you pass along any advice?
What is it like to receive a simplex ARPS/DARPS GPS coordinates from one HT to another HT? Can you read the GPS locations from the radio directly?
I've not tried it. I would think so.
I bought one of these radios and it is sitting on the table locked. It come that way and you need to program it with a computer to unlock it. I can not get the radio to talk to the computer, and tried several different cables. I justed wasted over $200 dollars. The manual says if you push the menu and star button at the same time it will unlock. No it will not. Their are some youtube videos on how to unlock it, but the computer and radio need to talk.
So I got my anytone 878 a few days ago. Got my analog channels up and running and now trying to figure out analog aprs before getting into any dmr. I'm sending packets out but I'm not seeing my mark on the map. I don't know what's wrong, I'm still a little confused about the the receiving callsign.
Dave I see that you have the call end prompt popping up all the time. You can turn it off in the PC software. Optional settings/display/call end prompt
Thanks for the info. I turned it off.
You know that has been driving me nuts, but I didn't even think there would be an option to disable it. Thanks for this bit of information.
@@alexanderlowe4236 you're welcome it's a pain in the ass
With regard to the Anytone AT868UV, why would I care if I only have "digital APRS" and not analog APRS? Thanks in advance for any clarification.
How you choose TX, RX frequencies ?
Another excellent, easy-to-understand video. Thank you.
Meryl KK4HFG
Great explanation of APRS on this HT - thank you, looking forward to setting it up and giving it a try, will be using your video as the guide. W5ARH
I have a D878UV plus and got it working. I just got the AT D578 pro. I am having trouble getting it to report. I am going to get a DVMAGA and I think it also will do APRS. Do I need to different Digital ID foreach? I saw somewhere that there is a standard ssid for the hotspot, mobile, and handheld. I want to go with the standard numbers, but I don't know what they are. Where can I find that list. I soon will have my DVMEGA, MOBILE, and HANDHELD. I would like them to all show when I check on Aprs.fi.
Many thanks for great video. I found a lot of useful informations here. Still not sure about one more thing, is D878UV able to send APRS messages? ie. to cellular mobile sms gateway or mail gateway? Cannot find any movie showing this feature on Anytone. Many thanks!
Dave have you done a video on chinglish manual interpretations or know a good source John milkor used to have something but I can't find it
Once again nice job!
Trying to setup a branmeister account but what is the wavelength of the UHF band in centimeters?
All the amateur digital radios also do a fine job on FM. Just set up that channel for FM (usually just called “analog.”)
Thank you for the information. You can go to Bridgecom systems to get the update and help.
Can the 878 send analog aprs msgs without position reporting like the kenwood HT. Position reporting is nice, but aprs msg'ing is a great way to stay in touch with people who may not be ham radio operators.. I know it can send them via DMR TG 310999, but not sure if it can do it via analog when out of range of DMR repeater...? Anyone tried?
I don't know the answer, but I suspect it cannot send APRS text messages.
Would be nice if brandmeister’s self care page actually worked. It’s been down for weeks.
Hello David, fine video you have here. Just wanted to point out that there are recommendations for what your SSID should be. Those recommendations can be found here: www.aprs.org/aprs11/SSIDs.txt
To sum up:
-0 Your primary station usually fixed and message capable
-1 generic additional station, digi, mobile, wx, etc
-2 generic additional station, digi, mobile, wx, etc
-3 generic additional station, digi, mobile, wx, etc
-4 generic additional station, digi, mobile, wx, etc
-5 Other networks (Dstar, Iphones, Androids, Blackberry's etc)
-6 Special activity, Satellite ops, camping or 6 meters, etc
-7 walkie talkies, HT's or other human portable
-8 boats, sailboats, RV's or second main mobile
-9 Primary Mobile (usually message capable)
-10 internet, Igates, echolink, winlink, AVRS, APRN, etc
-11 balloons, aircraft, spacecraft, etc
-12 APRStt, DTMF, RFID, devices, one-way trackers*, etc
-13 Weather stations
-14 Truckers or generally full time drivers
-15 generic additional station, digi, mobile, wx, etc
Hi Dave, I'm missing a step please help. I'm setup with APRS analog which looks correct with your video. In the channel APRS I clicked analog but this was commented before "The CPS software (1.16 firmware) has changed subtley and things have moved, the clue was APRS report channel in the RF channel settings. All working again now" so where do I find APRS report channel in RF in the channel settings?
I don't know. Perhaps another viewer does.
I'm starting to figure out APRS. To clarify, when you use the 878 on analog VHF or UHF, then the analog APRS signal goes out? And when you're using the 878 on DMR, then the digital APRS signal goes out? Thanks for this video!
Analog APRS is 144.390 Vhf only.
DMR APRS is whatever frequency your local repeater is on. and not universal.
Satalite / space station has it's own I think its 144.850 but not sure. As far as I know the dmr aprs is only for position reports and goes through the repeater to aprs fi. The analog aprs is more fully functional for email and winlink messages but I could be wrong.
The newest thing with aprs will be using dtmf tones to send messages up to the space aprs and they are converted to speech and sent back down to earth and can be accessible anywhere on earth.
Not sure if it's operational yet but cant wait.
AA4CP Chuck
Port Salerno FL
Dave what games are you playing on that bad boy gaming PC?
Just wish these D878UVs could Rx APRS - in addition to Tx APRS. 🤷♂️
Once properly programmed. How difficult is it to turn on/off APRS analogue and digital. Can you assign a button to this or do you have to 20 click 5 menus to get there?
It's a menu item, but I don't think it's that many clicks.
My digital aprs works however the icon stays only by my house even when I go out my GPS works on the radio it is red I have the stationary Beacon selection in the CPS off so what could be the issue?
Exact same issue here on analog APRS. GPS symbol is red. It's like the GPS isn't talking to APRS. Bug?
SSID or Secondary Station Identification
Can you kill the GPS if you don't won't to be found?
I understand that many Brandmeister repeaters limit the private call to parrot only, so there is no way to send a private call to 3109999. I have an MD-380 without GPS, but I have been able to send email and texts to my cell phone (to call signs of EMAIL2 and SMSGTE respectively) when using my hotspot (which allows private calls) but no to the local Brandmeister repeater (Cary, NC).
Also, is there any way to send "freehand" text (i.e. not the single script in the CPS) on the digital APRS on the Anytone 878? I assume not, at least for now. I am most intrigued with APRS's ability to send emails and SMS texts, it would seem useful if you ever had a local internet/cell phone outage as a way to communicate with non-hams (assuming of course there were enough hops in the network to get to an area with working internet). I have been able to do this with APRSdroid and a Baefong HT with the APRS cable. It would be nice if the Anytone 878 could do this as well, I'm on the fence for purchasing one.
Dave KW4QY
I don't know yet. You could create a "canned" message and send that.
@@davecasler Looking at the 878 User Manual, I *think* the test would be to send an SMS to a valid APRS call sign (e.g. KWrQY-10, EMAIL-2...) when on the analog APRS channel. As I understand the 878, it cannot receive an analog APRS message, which is unfortunate. Also, looking at the CPS, I agree, it appears you could modify the codeplug to send one and only message on the analog APRS channel. However you could only send one thing ever, sort of like Groot on Avengers of the Galaxy!
I dont use brandmeister.I use to. Neither do I run a hotspot. We dont have anything brandmeister near us. All we can use is a network called "phoenix dmr" I think its nationwide in the uk.i also think that it will not support, and we cant use DIGITAL APRS through the system. Why the hell would I NEED,do I NEED to use a mobile hotspot just to TX aprs in a car? The idea of APRS is to report your position where you are ad hoc surely?i thought we could use APRS walking around with a hand held standalone and not depend on using an additional adjunct to make DIGITAL APRS work. It comes back to this. It would be a whole lot easier to use ANALOG APRS and a tinytracker with gps just connected to your hand held radio, would it not?
Easier, yes. As challenging, no. There was a time when the old spark people said that CW wasn't real radio. They said the same about SSB. New technologies always come along, and some folks like to play with them on ham radio.
😂😂 yeah i watched some people too, speeding in the city over 130 KMH, I was thinking is that the real speed because I knew how fast you can go on that streets, exactly how you're words😂. If police finds that out, they will watch for sure this website and give them tickets, but I don't think that they are aware of that.
10mins is 600 seconds, not 1200
Dave, Like you I ride my ADV bike to remote places a lot. But without digipeaters in range how do you get the packets out? SPOT tracker goes via satellite. Is there any way to make this radio do the same thing as a SPOT?
No. SPOT uses entirely different frequencies.
@@davecasler I meant 'do the same thing but on a frequency that I can use'? I mean How do I use APRS out there where there's no mobile coverage and no digipeaters..? I mean I'm completely off the grid. Can I make contact without having to carry a mountain of HF equipment?
@@MrAlanmcd APRS is on VHF. Your best bet might be SPOT.
Fabulous video...lots of work there, Dave! One question.
I want to set up a digital channel for a DMR repeater in York, PA...not through a hotspot. Presently, I have a hotspot channel for TAC 310 and a York repeater channel for TAC 310 when I am near that repeater. Let's call them:
HS-TAC 310
Y-TAC 310
So, would I then set two new channels???:
TAC 310 Hot Spot
TAC 310 York Rptr
Or would I use that which I already have programmed in? I am just a little confused on this point.
You're on the right track. Yes, both use the same talk group, but in the channel for the hot spot, you put in the hot spot's frequency; for the repeater, you put the repeater information.
David, Service Set Identification Network standard for 802.11. In IEEE 802.11 wireless local area networking standards, a service set is a group of wireless network devices that are operating with the same networking parameters.
I have a gamer HP laptop. I hope your experience is better than mine. It is slow on boot up. POST takes nearly 35 seconds, then I can sign in, then I wait another 30 seconds for boot up to my desktop. I have a very annoying feature with the keyboard. I have to slow down when typing because several keys have a characteristic that when pressed too many time in succession give a result not intended. Some keys if pressed too rapidly make windows suddenly open, or change to another browser window. The right shift key has to be released for each character that I want to type in uppercase. If I depress the right shift key, hold it to type 2 characters only the first character is displayed in uppercase. This keyboard is not setup for a two handed typist.
I enjoyed your video. It enlightened me how DMR works. It has been more than one year since I've opened a program for OS that permits me to use APRS so I am not familiar if there are any similarities to the MS Windows program you are using for APRS. I use Xastir. I used a dedicated HT for my Xastir station, a Kenwood TH215. I previously used it for packet with a Commodore 64C computer, a kit built, Digicom64 modem, and German produced software for the Digicom64. Five watts output was more than enough power back in the 80's. Now with not as packet stations running full time more power and probably a higher antenna would be required to cover a greater distance to find a station for a hop.
I feel that the EDT reference was for me. Thanks, I need a reminder. 73 de KB8AMZ
Terry, thanks for the info. So far my laptop is doing okay. See you on Saturday!
So does that radio have a built in TNC? So as not to need an external one. If so this would be a cheaper alternative to the 2 Kenwood ht's or the ft2dr for satellite digipeating.
Nope. No TNC unfortunately.
@@alexanderlowe4236 Well that stinks.
It's designed more like a traditional APRS tracker. It just puts out position reports.