so good , it's boring........ you'll spend thousands trying to find something better [ I did ] and you end up with some CRK in your pocket a lotsa knives in a drawer.........
Yup. The "on-lays" slapped on there shows a complete lack of creativity. It's like "Hey, I got some left over slivers of micarta. I think I'll stick them to the sides of this pocket knife." (The emperor has no clothes.)
lol $500 for a plain knife to cut things with that even overpriced $200 knives can do a much better job of. No one's arguing that these Sebenzas are bad knives, or that CR doesn't know how to design knives. We're arguing these are not worth the price point they're asking for in this free-market, competitive captialism society. Things have changed, designs have improved, new materials have come out, manufactuering techs have improved tremendously. This ain't 1999 anymore. CRK is living off its pre-21st century hype, off of its name branding. Sort of like what all the obnoxiously-expensive handbags and clothing item brands are doing, to a smaller extent. But that's to be expected because knives market is magnitudes smaller than the clothing fashion industry.
Add a T hahahahaha YEAH a CRKT is not as good but you got a bucket of cash left to get a Spydy or a Bench Custom knives are just JEWELRY for dudes. Grow a pair and go into the woods. Soi boys
I own many knives and I have to say the first time I handled a Sebenza I was genuinely blown away. I was sceptical as I thought it was all hype, but it really is an amazing tool. Great vid. Thanks.
I have titanium knives without inserts as well. You are right, when it is done properly there is no problem with the lockbar arm meeting the blade without a steel insert.
The steel insert is actually a better design. It allows a worn or damaged lock to be replaced without replacing the lock side or rework it. Easier to maintenance, easier to fix if out of spec. As for the pivot, a captive bushing is uncommon but not on just $500 knives. The Spyderco Paramilitary 2 and Manix 2 both have a bushing pivot and buttery smooth action (not every Paramilitary has no lateral play, but I haven't seen a Manix with a lick of it).
I owned one for a year and it is a respectable knife. I get the craftsmanship and feel of the knife, but I almost didn’t even want to use it. Whether the price is worth it or not, I find that you can get a lot more value these days. Especially with more up to date technology.
Russel B. Why is it worth $500? It’s a titanium frame lock. It’s not rare as a titanium frame lock or a CRK Sebenza. They are everywhere. The blade steel isn’t some space age unattainable metal. The grind isn’t some proprietary grind no one else does. It come sharp but can be much sharper. It’s a $2-300 knife max.
I have two Buck 110's that are over 30 years old, they are built like tanks, I just oil them with a few drops of 3 1n 1 oil and that's all the maintenance they need, I wouldn't spend $500 on a knife even if I could afford it
just got mine with the side arm engraving. driving over something with a car is not really alot of stress. u can drive over your foot in sneakers with no issues. bought mine used for less than half price, and it has not been used, no scratches and factory edge, inzane buy. stropped it and about to clean it, super happy :)
This video is two years old, and much has changed regarding knife making technology & cost. But I believe that CRK's, Emersons, ZT, and some others are coasting on the technology of the late 1990's. China is producing top of the line knives at much lower prices (WE, Kizer, etc.) and manufacturers in the USA are taking advantage of that (called capitalism). If CRK'S does not come up with new designs & better prices, then they might stay in business as a niche market supplier, but they are about to lose their position of emmenance. I am not a hater of Chris Reeve or Emerson knives, it is just the times they are a'changing.
Got a beautiful 2015 large sebenza 21 with unique graphics, polished titanium, tiger's eye inlay yesterday in like new condition. My first crk. Disassembled, cleaned, greased, and reassembled today. I think this is where people who say these knives are hype and overpriced don't realize why they have the reputation they do. The fitment of the spacers, pins, and screws is miles above any benchmade, spyderco, zt, etc. Put the knife back together and there's no need to play with pivot tension. Zero blade play, blade perfectly centered. Exacting craftsmanship. Been waiting on a new umnumzaan almost six months and now am even more stoked to get it. When you factor in their warranty, the fact you can send it in for a spa treatment and have it refurbished to like new condition, is part of the cost. High end knife and high end customer service. This is my way of trying to explain the action on the sebenza compared to a drop shut folder. A drop shut action is glass like. You don't feel it. The blade just drops, say like a pm2. With the sebenza, you feel the smoothness. I call it a gliding action. Theres no resistance, the entire distance from closed to open and vice versa is a consistent, smooth glide. The lockup? Ridiculously solid. I feel like I've taken the next step in my knife collecting hobby after about three years into it. I feel proud to finally own a Chris Reeve knife. This one will not be a user. It's a work of mechanical art. I've shown it to a few non-knife people and even they are impressed. A lot of WOW's!!!! So this sebenza will be a safe queen. The umnumzaan will get used as it's a regular model. Now I'm looking at Hinderers, Striders, and the like. Quality over quantity.
Great vid. I got my first Seb this week. My thumb ached like all hell for the first few days getting used to closing it - getting the technique right to push that damn stiff lock bar. Now I've got it ... comes natural, and with the right technique that lock bar's now my mighty friend. Love it as a general edc over my Benchmade & Spydies, and maybe even Al Mar. Anyone that only wants functionality should not bother with Sebenza, but if you also appreciate engineered craftmanship in a no-bullshit knife then hey, look no further. Mall Ninjas need not apply.
I have owned 4 CRK folders, and none have had any trouble, none. They also have good resale. Wish I would have kept them all, now all I have is a 2009 Umnumzan, (old pivot). Like it a lot! Love the click noise...Chris used to heat treat w/ flame each lock. Saw it w/ my own eyes...
No EDC knife is worth more than about $50, and why do you Americans need to disassemble every freakin knife you own, I've owned all sorts of knives from the fabulous Buck 110 to the Spyderco Resilience, and have NEVER EVER needed to dismantle any knife I've owned
It is a nice knife, my brother has one with the blue accents and he loves it but we both agreed its not worth over $500 . Imho its a $250-$350 tops and that's only because of the tolerances, the material are really nothing super special.
Meh. I suppose some of these knives may be "worth" their pricetag based on them being made by a special person. In that sense, they are more like a work of art. As we all know, art is worth whatever a person is willing to pay. As a tool, as a knife, I believe the value of knives do have an upper plateau. Anything above that plateau is based on artistic value and collectability. What I mean is, at some point, the best materials have been paid for and the labor to manufacture has been paid for. Factor in a reasonable profit margin and you have the maximum value of a knife. Unless you start inlaying things like gold and/or rare gems... The steel, the handle materials, and the craftsmanship are only worth so much. I recently purchased a Benchmade with a carbon fiber handle and M4 blade steel. I paid $250. I don't think knives are worth much more than that. Micarta isn't worth more than carbon fiber. Maybe some other steels are worth more, but you get the idea.
@Josh's life. not for me either. In the 2 years since I posted this, I've sold all of my CRKs and started buying shiros, rocksteads, some customs. Etc. Mostly into flippers and front flippers now Deeper down the rabbit hole....been looking into grabbing a remi lavialle or a gareth bull shamwari next
My large 21 micarta tanto is the one knife I wouldn't ever get rid of. It's better than the plain jane with the added thickness and it's just superb in every way. I've used it to baton firewood, side to side prying etc. it's just an amazing machine and the fact that CRK is such a great company makes it that much better.
I committed on your microtech vid ALLOT. But what u think about the ceramic ball on the lock bar much smaller diameter then the full ti of the sabenza I think the umnumzaan lock would where more quickly in that case?
Saying it’s worth $510 is laughable man. It’s an entirely mundane titanium frame lock knife with decent steel and glued in micarta inserts. You’re truly paying for a name. Simple as that.
Misanthropia I've heard they changed it . did you hear this from Anne personally? what's weird about that explanation. is that the birth card is hand written at the time of manufacture . so by that explanation . they intentionally write the wrong Rockwell hardness on the birth card. that seems rather strange , no?
The problem when carborizing lock bars is something called Alpha Scale. You will get it eventually. Elliot form Ferrum Forge went over it in one of his videos. Titanium does and will loose the battle versus steel. And the fact that these knives have such late lockup only reinforces how bad late lockup is. When you have early lockup, you have that extra room for the titanium to settle. When you have late lockup, that titanium will eventually settle close to the presentation side, horrible.
BigThumpr1 100% lockup only makes a frame lock more secure. Yeah it bruises your ego about the "early lockup" bullshit fad. But, that tiny bit of vertical play you'd have from it hitting the presentation scale still wont cause negative function. 1mm of blade play vertically has zero impact on knife use. The further the bar is over the safer it is in use. Im a triad lock guy, but still what im saying is true regarding frame locks.
BigThumpr1 don't be ignorant. I don't care if you shit knives for a living, simple mechanical facts are just facts. 100% lockup on a frame lock is always more secure against closing on you than 20, 30, 40 or 50%. Will it bug you that you might have slight lock rock or vertical play? Possibly, but dont talk bullshit to me about lockup mate, I've been in this game forever. Anything less than a Triad lock by Demko or a fixed blade is a weak lock anyway. Lockup and frame lock geometry facts are plain and simple.
Mike D good for you. I am glad you have been in the game for ever. Congrats, you get a pat on the back, a glass of milk and some cookies. If ignorant is listening to the experience of Elliot from Ferrum Forge, then I will be ignorant all day long. Believe what you want. I will believe what I want. How about that.
I just ran across your channel! Love it! I've always wanted a Sebenza but got the chance to handle one side by side with a benchmade Anthem and I like it better it seemed to be much smoother? But I don't know how it compares quality wise? One of these days I will get around to owning a higher end knife. So far $200 is about my budget I have a couple benchmades and a couple Al Mar's all great but not sevenza great!
The brand WAS strong.......until Chris left the company. Since he left I've seen way, way more complaints of uneven grinds, dull factory edges, off center blades, etc. Sad, honestly. I hope that Anne can get it back to where it used to be.
J D unfortunately they consider many of those minute issues Chris made sure didn't happen "to spec" now. Meaning they are not going to be so anal anymore. Sadly
Sadly I fear they're going to feel the long hard dick of capitalism soon then. If the quality suffers, the reputation they used to have will result in new sales for only so long..... Once that reputation has burned up, they will fall. Unless they can get back to what they used to be, that is.
Christopher Rogers Quite a while back. It's none of my business at all, but if I remember correctly it had something to do with their divorce and Chris wanting to retire I think. Anne runs the company now. Not saying she isn't doing a good job, but most everyone have noticed quality slipping as of late. Let's hope it's just a growing pain that they can overcome.
just say you like it and it has the cool you like and leave it at that .don't try and say its a better knife .it a good knife .it has a great pivot design .thats all .not worth did you say $ 600 .
People get so in over their heads over the "hard use" mentality. Back when I was much more into knives, I used to have a few Sebenzas and an Umnumzaan in my rotation working in military law enforcement and it did everything I ever needed a knife to do, same as my SMFs or ZTs. And it cut better. I've recently revisited the hobby and have an XM-18 en route and will be getting a large Inkosi with the natural micarta and they'll be here to stay.
I have the same knife but I just can not take a 200 plus knife to work. only take it to Christmas or something special. And not trying to be an ass . But is the sound low or is my phone shit ?
I dare anyone to build a knife with this kind of precision tolerancing for anything less CRK have people who's singular job is to make sure every knife is absolutely perfect. They don't put out lemons, period. Another thing you get with crk is the abilitity to take down and clean/ maintain your knife, and it will go back together exactly the same every single time. it's simple, classic design.
CRK has gone to an insert of sorts with the Inkosi haven't they? The ceramic ball interfaces with the blade....Not arguing your point just find it interesting.
Just great, now you have me wanting to save up for a Sebenza! I just bought a 940-2 and couple of weeks before that a Sage 5. Not to mention I've been really wanting a Slysz bowie too. Guess I'll be working overtime?
or if you could get the triad lock on the sebenza or even the axis lock .if you hard use this knife its done .if it had what the hype says then it would be worth maybe $100 .
The sebenza is the original frame lock that all other have been judged by, They are amazing knives, It is pocket jewelry and yes, they are expensive(overpriced) . They do hold value more that most production knives, so you wont lose out too much if you resale. CRK is a name that earned it way to its price range, Just like in the watch and gun world. it stinks that they are so much and I still haven't had the capitol and justification to buy one.
I buy knives that I can edc and use. I would NEVER edc a $510 knife, or use it at work. This is a knife that would stay in a display case, and as such I would never buy it.
Then that's your loss. Sebenza's and other CRK knives beg to be used. There's nothing ornate about them and nothing about them that screams, "Safe queen!" They are strictly about the work. You'd know that if you'd ever handled one.
If some one was a fanatic collector .if some one wanted this knife for a long time .if some one had so much money that the insane price was nothing to them .if you just like it .yeah but it isn't better than many many other knives .the pivot is smooth get over it . I would pay more for a knife that had say a triad lock with a sabenza21 (the 21 one because they change the 25s pivot ) g10 with partial steel liners only around the lock up .less than .5" with 4" d2 sabenza 25 blade and modified recon 1 handle and bearings .then i would feel good about paying even $250.00
Its all about if it is worth it to you or not. Everyone is different, if its not for you dont buy it dont hate on it. Be happy with your cheaper options etc. If you like it, like it and dont talk down on people who like cheaper options. I think knife worth is so subjective rather than objective and beauty in the eye of the beholder, pride of ownership can be for any knife, not every knife is for everybody
It's worth $500 because it has "tight tolerances"? I don't buy that reasoning...there are much cheaper knives that have tight tolerances, and made from the same materials or better. CRK says flicking your Sabenza can cause damage....maybe they should use a steel lock bar insert. CRK fans are delusional. I would spend $500 on a knife, but not a bland, overpriced Sabenza.
I've collected and traded knifes all my life. I'll trade three or four knifes a week.i bought a small sebenza a while back and loved it only knife I every regret trading off. I have a large 21 in the mail it's been way to long for me not to have one in my pocket.I think they are a little more then what there worth but it's all about if you want something bad enough.you can't make people sell things for the price you think is best.Is it worth it it is for me I have one coming in the mail. You do great videos keep up the good job.
liner lock aint strong as trid or axis .the stand off are on all kinds of knives .so arefrme locks and knives that cost $30 have stops to keep the frame lock from being over extended .
Reate, WeKnives, TwoSun, Rike Knives, and Kizer. Much more bang for the buck. I buy knives in the $50-$250 range from them, and they shit on any Sebenza. 500 bucks for a knife without a lockbar stopper or insert, without custom hardware or complex milling or even a nice ceramic ballbearing system to open close ? Stop overpaying. This guy keeps pointing out shit on his Sebenza that you can see on a 50 dollar knife, and making believe its fucking amazing, hes delusional.
What about that video that coldsteel did where they tested the sebenza against their code 4 and the sabenza failed both "tests" miserably? Granted the tests are kind of extreme but still...
MusicalWeasel the Sebenza never claimed to be the STRONGEST lock ever made, nor was it designed for that .. but when it comes to FIT AND FINISH , COLLECTABILITY, and RESALE , Cold Steel is not even close to being on CRKs level ..
Just more proof there is a ass for every seat. It's really funny how guys that spend $400 or more on a 35 year old design. Need someone to cosign they are worth it. Nothing about those knives are worth the outrageous price. But if it makes you happy then that's nice. The truth is nothing about those are hard use. Also the one I had was heat treated soft. That's when I contacted the great CRK they said it was so it was easier to sharpen.
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so good , it's boring........ you'll spend thousands trying to find something better [ I did ] and you end up with some CRK in your pocket a lotsa knives in a drawer.........
citygreek1 truth
Yup. The "on-lays" slapped on there shows a complete lack of creativity. It's like "Hey, I got some left over slivers of micarta. I think I'll stick them to the sides of this pocket knife."
(The emperor has no clothes.)
lol $500 for a plain knife to cut things with that even overpriced $200 knives can do a much better job of. No one's arguing that these Sebenzas are bad knives, or that CR doesn't know how to design knives. We're arguing these are not worth the price point they're asking for in this free-market, competitive captialism society. Things have changed, designs have improved, new materials have come out, manufactuering techs have improved tremendously. This ain't 1999 anymore. CRK is living off its pre-21st century hype, off of its name branding. Sort of like what all the obnoxiously-expensive handbags and clothing item brands are doing, to a smaller extent. But that's to be expected because knives market is magnitudes smaller than the clothing fashion industry.
THIS^^^^^^^^ !!!
Add a T hahahahaha YEAH a CRKT is not as good but you got a bucket of cash left to get a Spydy or a Bench Custom knives are just JEWELRY for dudes. Grow a pair and go into the woods. Soi boys
I own many knives and I have to say the first time I handled a Sebenza I was genuinely blown away. I was sceptical as I thought it was all hype, but it really is an amazing tool. Great vid. Thanks.
I hope you never stop making videos. You do some of the best knife related videos and I really enjoy them.
I have titanium knives without inserts as well. You are right, when it is done properly there is no problem with the lockbar arm meeting the blade without a steel insert.
The steel insert is actually a better design. It allows a worn or damaged lock to be replaced without replacing the lock side or rework it. Easier to maintenance, easier to fix if out of spec.
As for the pivot, a captive bushing is uncommon but not on just $500 knives. The Spyderco Paramilitary 2 and Manix 2 both have a bushing pivot and buttery smooth action (not every Paramilitary has no lateral play, but I haven't seen a Manix with a lick of it).
I owned one for a year and it is a respectable knife. I get the craftsmanship and feel of the knife, but I almost didn’t even want to use it. Whether the price is worth it or not, I find that you can get a lot more value these days. Especially with more up to date technology.
NOTHING about this knife is worth $500.
Why is it worth $510! Answer? It's not.
ABSOLUTELY,
Amen
Overrated
And definitely not worth 500+
Better spent on ammo.
Russel B. Why is it worth $500? It’s a titanium frame lock. It’s not rare as a titanium frame lock or a CRK Sebenza. They are everywhere. The blade steel isn’t some space age unattainable metal. The grind isn’t some proprietary grind no one else does. It come sharp but can be much sharper. It’s a $2-300 knife max.
Ryan Bingham its s35vn....thats enough to convince me its not the top player
I will probably never have one but I really enjoyed your walk round the knife which I agree is a piece of art.thanks for taking the time.atb paddy
I have two Buck 110's that are over 30 years old, they are built like tanks, I just oil them with a few drops of 3 1n 1 oil and that's all the maintenance they need, I wouldn't spend $500 on a knife even if I could afford it
I would pay like 150 for his knife tops......500 is fucking insane
just got mine with the side arm engraving. driving over something with a car is not really alot of stress. u can drive over your foot in sneakers with no issues. bought mine used for less than half price, and it has not been used, no scratches and factory edge, inzane buy. stropped it and about to clean it, super happy :)
This video is two years old, and much has changed regarding knife making technology & cost. But I believe that CRK's, Emersons, ZT, and some others are coasting on the technology of the late 1990's. China is producing top of the line knives at much lower prices (WE, Kizer, etc.) and manufacturers in the USA are taking advantage of that (called capitalism). If CRK'S does not come up with new designs & better prices, then they might stay in business as a niche market supplier, but they are about to lose their position of emmenance.
I am not a hater of Chris Reeve or Emerson knives, it is just the times they are a'changing.
Love my Sebenza. Also CRK gives love to us lefties!
yes! I'm not new to the knife hobby but love watching these vids you do. really entertaining!
take care man!
Got a beautiful 2015 large sebenza 21 with unique graphics, polished titanium, tiger's eye inlay yesterday in like new condition. My first crk. Disassembled, cleaned, greased, and reassembled today. I think this is where people who say these knives are hype and overpriced don't realize why they have the reputation they do. The fitment of the spacers, pins, and screws is miles above any benchmade, spyderco, zt, etc. Put the knife back together and there's no need to play with pivot tension. Zero blade play, blade perfectly centered. Exacting craftsmanship. Been waiting on a new umnumzaan almost six months and now am even more stoked to get it. When you factor in their warranty, the fact you can send it in for a spa treatment and have it refurbished to like new condition, is part of the cost. High end knife and high end customer service. This is my way of trying to explain the action on the sebenza compared to a drop shut folder. A drop shut action is glass like. You don't feel it. The blade just drops, say like a pm2. With the sebenza, you feel the smoothness. I call it a gliding action. Theres no resistance, the entire distance from closed to open and vice versa is a consistent, smooth glide. The lockup?
Ridiculously solid. I feel like I've taken the next step in my knife collecting hobby after about three years into it. I feel proud to finally own a Chris Reeve knife. This one will not be a user.
It's a work of mechanical art. I've shown it to a few non-knife people and even they are impressed. A lot of WOW's!!!! So this sebenza will be a safe queen. The umnumzaan will get used as it's a regular model. Now I'm looking at Hinderers, Striders, and the like. Quality over quantity.
Great vid. I got my first Seb this week. My thumb ached like all hell for the first few days getting used to closing it - getting the technique right to push that damn stiff lock bar. Now I've got it ... comes natural, and with the right technique that lock bar's now my mighty friend. Love it as a general edc over my Benchmade & Spydies, and maybe even Al Mar. Anyone that only wants functionality should not bother with Sebenza, but if you also appreciate engineered craftmanship in a no-bullshit knife then hey, look no further. Mall Ninjas need not apply.
I have owned 4 CRK folders, and none have had any trouble, none. They also have good resale. Wish I would have kept them all, now all I have is a 2009 Umnumzan, (old pivot). Like it a lot! Love the click noise...Chris used to heat treat w/ flame each lock. Saw it w/ my own eyes...
No EDC knife is worth more than about $50, and why do you Americans need to disassemble every freakin knife you own, I've owned all sorts of knives from the fabulous Buck 110 to the Spyderco Resilience, and have NEVER EVER needed to dismantle any knife I've owned
Excellent vid, I agree 100% ! I have mine for a few years now and I've never been disapointed
It is a nice knife, my brother has one with the blue accents and he loves it but we both agreed its not worth over $500 . Imho its a $250-$350 tops and that's only because of the tolerances, the material are really nothing super special.
Nice knife, but over priced. I'll keep my ZT
Meh. I suppose some of these knives may be "worth" their pricetag based on them being made by a special person. In that sense, they are more like a work of art. As we all know, art is worth whatever a person is willing to pay. As a tool, as a knife, I believe the value of knives do have an upper plateau. Anything above that plateau is based on artistic value and collectability. What I mean is, at some point, the best materials have been paid for and the labor to manufacture has been paid for. Factor in a reasonable profit margin and you have the maximum value of a knife. Unless you start inlaying things like gold and/or rare gems... The steel, the handle materials, and the craftsmanship are only worth so much. I recently purchased a Benchmade with a carbon fiber handle and M4 blade steel. I paid $250. I don't think knives are worth much more than that. Micarta isn't worth more than carbon fiber. Maybe some other steels are worth more, but you get the idea.
mrq1701 and the knives aren't made by Chris reeve anymore he left the company
mrq1701 logic is elusive to those in the "high end knife game".
I'm going to guess 90% of the negative comments are people who never held one
I know thay say bad things when thay never even held one in hand.
Mostly true
@Josh's life. not for me either. In the 2 years since I posted this, I've sold all of my CRKs and started buying shiros, rocksteads, some customs. Etc. Mostly into flippers and front flippers now
Deeper down the rabbit hole....been looking into grabbing a remi lavialle or a gareth bull shamwari next
My large 21 micarta tanto is the one knife I wouldn't ever get rid of. It's better than the plain jane with the added thickness and it's just superb in every way. I've used it to baton firewood, side to side prying etc. it's just an amazing machine and the fact that CRK is such a great company makes it that much better.
I could understand a hand made folder cost but not a CNC folder. These blades cost this much because people but them at that price.
I could get a Remington 870 100 rounds of ammo still get get a quality knife for 510$
I committed on your microtech vid ALLOT. But what u think about the ceramic ball on the lock bar much smaller diameter then the full ti of the sabenza I think the umnumzaan lock would where more quickly in that case?
really good knifes but i will stick with Benchmade and Spyderco
These hipsters do not even use these overpriced bitch blades.
Benchmade is overpriced as fuck.
Well done on the vid my brotha!! I really enjoy watching your vids!
To be fair, it's hard to justify the idea of buying a high end knife to someone who doesn't want one, or is just dead set against it.
Closing is a bench made is like closing the door on a Jeep, closing a Sebenza is like closing the door on a G-Wagon.
Saying it’s worth $510 is laughable man. It’s an entirely mundane titanium frame lock knife with decent steel and glued in micarta inserts. You’re truly paying for a name. Simple as that.
Been into knives my whole life went from collecting to now just having one sebenza, they are that good!
Put a steel lockbar insert in there already...
Sebenza is bae. I'm glad I bought it but wont spend that much on knives anymore. I feel like knives in the $250 has almost as good quality.
SolosKnifeReviews what was that axis lock knife u pulled out at 9:10?
I'm a maker just subscribed,I appreciate your knowledge and the fact you are informing people of the value of a high end folder. Thanks
Since 2013, all of the S35VN knives are heat treated to 59-60 HRC.
Misanthropia mine is a 2015 s35vn 58-59 ..
Ronnie Tarnacke they did not update the birth cards until recently, but changed the heat treated in 2013, per Anne Reeve.
Misanthropia I've heard they changed it . did you hear this from Anne personally? what's weird about that explanation. is that the birth card is hand written at the time of manufacture . so by that explanation . they intentionally write the wrong Rockwell hardness on the birth card. that seems rather strange , no?
Ronnie Tarnacke she posted it on BladeForums, I have no reason not to believe her. CRK has always been pretty upstanding.
Misanthropia I'm not doubting she said it . just seems strange that's all. either way , I love my 21 and it doesn't matter to me
I just cleaned my large micarta 21 last week! love my sebenza.
The A, B, C and D is not the month, it's the quarter. Hence why the letters only go to D. Only 4 quarters in a year.
you beat me to the comment :o)
The problem when carborizing lock bars is something called Alpha Scale. You will get it eventually. Elliot form Ferrum Forge went over it in one of his videos. Titanium does and will loose the battle versus steel. And the fact that these knives have such late lockup only reinforces how bad late lockup is. When you have early lockup, you have that extra room for the titanium to settle. When you have late lockup, that titanium will eventually settle close to the presentation side, horrible.
BigThumpr1 100% lockup only makes a frame lock more secure. Yeah it bruises your ego about the "early lockup" bullshit fad. But, that tiny bit of vertical play you'd have from it hitting the presentation scale still wont cause negative function. 1mm of blade play vertically has zero impact on knife use. The further the bar is over the safer it is in use. Im a triad lock guy, but still what im saying is true regarding frame locks.
BigThumpr1 why is it that No one with a sebenza has ever experienced this?
BigThumpr1 some people think appearance and function are the same. may as well put a diamond encrusted handle on a bastard file!
BigThumpr1 don't be ignorant. I don't care if you shit knives for a living, simple mechanical facts are just facts. 100% lockup on a frame lock is always more secure against closing on you than 20, 30, 40 or 50%. Will it bug you that you might have slight lock rock or vertical play? Possibly, but dont talk bullshit to me about lockup mate, I've been in this game forever. Anything less than a Triad lock by Demko or a fixed blade is a weak lock anyway. Lockup and frame lock geometry facts are plain and simple.
Mike D good for you. I am glad you have been in the game for ever. Congrats, you get a pat on the back, a glass of milk and some cookies. If ignorant is listening to the experience of Elliot from Ferrum Forge, then I will be ignorant all day long. Believe what you want. I will believe what I want. How about that.
I just ran across your channel! Love it!
I've always wanted a Sebenza but got the chance to handle one side by side with a benchmade Anthem and I like it better it seemed to be much smoother? But I don't know how it compares quality wise?
One of these days I will get around to owning a higher end knife. So far $200 is about my budget I have a couple benchmades and a couple Al Mar's all great but not sevenza great!
The brand WAS strong.......until Chris left the company. Since he left I've seen way, way more complaints of uneven grinds, dull factory edges, off center blades, etc. Sad, honestly. I hope that Anne can get it back to where it used to be.
J D unfortunately they consider many of those minute issues Chris made sure didn't happen "to spec" now. Meaning they are not going to be so anal anymore. Sadly
Sadly I fear they're going to feel the long hard dick of capitalism soon then. If the quality suffers, the reputation they used to have will result in new sales for only so long..... Once that reputation has burned up, they will fall. Unless they can get back to what they used to be, that is.
my large 21 micarta with a late 2016 birthday had an uneven grind. only issue though
When did Chris leave the company?
Christopher Rogers Quite a while back. It's none of my business at all, but if I remember correctly it had something to do with their divorce and Chris wanting to retire I think. Anne runs the company now. Not saying she isn't doing a good job, but most everyone have noticed quality slipping as of late. Let's hope it's just a growing pain that they can overcome.
Knife that costs more than a decent pistol or cheap rifle, gimme a break.
I get it, but I am not a fan of the sebenza. It just doesn't do anything for me.
so, side by side, is the Sebenza worth $200 more than the Slysz Bowie?
Jason Nguyen Yes.
just say you like it and it has the cool you like and leave it at that .don't try and say its a better knife .it a good knife .it has a great pivot design .thats all .not worth did you say $ 600 .
A knife that costs $510 shouldn't have tape anywhere on it. I don't care how strong the tape is or what it is used for. That is absurd.
Anthony Waldrep the windows in the skyscraper cost a little more I'm sure
Windows in skyscrapers serve a purpose. This is just an overpriced collectible item.
People get so in over their heads over the "hard use" mentality. Back when I was much more into knives, I used to have a few Sebenzas and an Umnumzaan in my rotation working in military law enforcement and it did everything I ever needed a knife to do, same as my SMFs or ZTs. And it cut better. I've recently revisited the hobby and have an XM-18 en route and will be getting a large Inkosi with the natural micarta and they'll be here to stay.
it should be insured for $600 .
I have the same knife but I just can not take a 200 plus knife to work. only take it to Christmas or something special. And not trying to be an ass . But is the sound low or is my phone shit ?
The tape they use,is 3M ultra durable doublesided tape.
Thats a industrial grade tape with extremely touch and long lasting capacity.
Then when you use it and it breaks you want to rip your hands off
I dare anyone to build a knife with this kind of precision tolerancing for anything less CRK have people who's singular job is to make sure every knife is absolutely perfect. They don't put out lemons, period. Another thing you get with crk is the abilitity to take down and clean/ maintain your knife, and it will go back together exactly the same every single time. it's simple, classic design.
These days they are running the blades at 59-60 rc. Great video man!
I bet Skallagrim could wreck this knife. Or maybe Jorg Sprave.
I'll never spend 500+ on any pocket knife...
When CRK first started with s35vn, they ran it softer than they do now. It's been a couple years since they bumped up the hardness.
CRK has gone to an insert of sorts with the Inkosi haven't they? The ceramic ball interfaces with the blade....Not arguing your point just find it interesting.
Just great, now you have me wanting to save up for a Sebenza! I just bought a 940-2 and couple of weeks before that a Sage 5. Not to mention I've been really wanting a Slysz bowie too. Guess I'll be working overtime?
OUT Dated OVER Rated & OVER Priced
or if you could get the triad lock on the sebenza or even the axis lock .if you hard use this knife its done .if it had what the hype says then it would be worth maybe $100 .
Maybe you should probably do a video on why buying a camera that can actually focus is worth the money.
The sebenza is the original frame lock that all other have been judged by, They are amazing knives, It is pocket jewelry and yes, they are expensive(overpriced) . They do hold value more that most production knives, so you wont lose out too much if you resale. CRK is a name that earned it way to its price range, Just like in the watch and gun world. it stinks that they are so much and I still haven't had the capitol and justification to buy one.
It's not worth $510. It's worth whatever people are willing to pay for it.
Why is it worth 500 dollars? Because there are dumb people buying it
I buy knives that I can edc and use. I would NEVER edc a $510 knife, or use it at work. This is a knife that would stay in a display case, and as such I would never buy it.
Then that's your loss. Sebenza's and other CRK knives beg to be used. There's nothing ornate about them and nothing about them that screams, "Safe queen!" They are strictly about the work. You'd know that if you'd ever handled one.
If some one was a fanatic collector .if some one wanted this knife for a long time .if some one had so much money that the insane price was nothing to them .if you just like it .yeah but it isn't better than many many other knives .the pivot is smooth get over it .
I would pay more for a knife that had say a triad lock with a sabenza21 (the 21 one because they change the 25s pivot ) g10 with partial steel liners only around the lock up .less than .5" with 4" d2 sabenza 25 blade and modified recon 1 handle and bearings .then i would feel good about paying even $250.00
Its all about if it is worth it to you or not. Everyone is different, if its not for you dont buy it dont hate on it. Be happy with your cheaper options etc. If you like it, like it and dont talk down on people who like cheaper options. I think knife worth is so subjective rather than objective and beauty in the eye of the beholder, pride of ownership can be for any knife, not every knife is for everybody
Precise is precisely why it's worth the money. You really have to get one in hand and dissasemble the knife to appreciate it. Great video!
I was saving up to buy a small 21. But life got in the way and had to spend that money. So now I'm slowly saving up again.
no knife is worth that price
Interesting video!
I'd never buy one, because for me, knives are for cuttin' stuff and that's pretty much it.
sae1095hc why can't you cut stuff with a sebenza? last I checked they do come with an edge...
Bill Lee No doubt, but does it cut 30 times better than my JIN01? Cost/benefit old boy.
These hipsters do not use these "things" for anything.
Clearly overpriced. Having a heart attack because you misplace your edc is a deal breaker.
It's worth $500 because it has "tight tolerances"? I don't buy that reasoning...there are much cheaper knives that have tight tolerances, and made from the same materials or better. CRK says flicking your Sabenza can cause damage....maybe they should use a steel lock bar insert. CRK fans are delusional. I would spend $500 on a knife, but not a bland, overpriced Sabenza.
LCO213 yep.. they offer nothing over $200 knives.. they don't even look cooler.
Well worth watching, as always, whether you're new to knives or not. Always something to learn. Thanks, man.
I've collected and traded knifes all my life. I'll trade three or four knifes a week.i bought a small sebenza a while back and loved it only knife I every regret trading off.
I have a large 21 in the mail it's been way to long for me not to have one in my pocket.I think they are a little more then what there worth but it's all about if you want something bad enough.you can't make people sell things for the price you think is best.Is it worth it it is for me I have one coming in the mail.
You do great videos keep up the good job.
This day and time you can get a good acoustic guitar for the price of this knife
and that makes sense.
liner lock aint strong as trid or axis .the stand off are on all kinds of knives .so arefrme locks and knives that cost $30 have stops to keep the frame lock from being over extended .
Reate, WeKnives, TwoSun, Rike Knives, and Kizer. Much more bang for the buck. I buy knives in the $50-$250 range from them, and they shit on any Sebenza. 500 bucks for a knife without a lockbar stopper or insert, without custom hardware or complex milling or even a nice ceramic ballbearing system to open close ? Stop overpaying. This guy keeps pointing out shit on his Sebenza that you can see on a 50 dollar knife, and making believe its fucking amazing, hes delusional.
Stelios Tesera Dekatria again.. have you ever even seen a custom knife?
What about that video that coldsteel did where they tested the sebenza against their code 4 and the sabenza failed both "tests" miserably? Granted the tests are kind of extreme but still...
MusicalWeasel the Sebenza never claimed to be the STRONGEST lock ever made, nor was it designed for that .. but when it comes to FIT AND FINISH , COLLECTABILITY, and RESALE , Cold Steel is not even close to being on CRKs level ..
I'd buy one it I could pay $1500 but I won't be seen with a $500 knife in my pocket.
I'll take my beanchmade knife over that one and I can say I could have enough money left over to buy a spare and still get a 6 pack or 2.
the spartan harsey fo;der beats out the sabenza by miles id definetly check one out if you ever get a chance
If I got a 1955 Fender Telecaster for the price of this knife I'd get a bargain !
Playing with the idea of a Sebenza. Heard quality control has tanked recently with reports of off center blades.
Nope, still a cut above!
ReclusiveMountainMan yes. But. Compared to any other company their "problems" are non existent
I'm almost there. I want the little one so bad.
The inserts look like Brillo in Lucite!
I love my sebenza I will never get rid of it until it is time to pass it on to my son this knife is a heritage knife my son carries my pops buck 110
That's why I just bought a brand new 2009 large micarta 21 no Idaho made logo old hardware , like Randy's other one or older videos one
The newer one I had , had slop in the pivot bushing
Could you please do a series of videos like "edc steels a series of compromises" videos, they were unbelievable!
It is a really good knife but I want to use my knives. I honestly couldn't just use a $500 knife as usual
How can I contact you for custom knife work?
Comes with a better box then a Lamborghini :)
Just spend half the money and you get a brous sniper framelock which is just as good if not better
The inkosi has a steelinsert cq detentball...
I didn't know Chris Reeve left the company..? It's still Chris Reeve knives without him?
A marriage breakdown, apparently.
chris reeves stopped at sebenza 21. sebenza 25 isn't his work..
Just more proof there is a ass for every seat. It's really funny how guys that spend $400 or more on a 35 year old design. Need someone to cosign they are worth it.
Nothing about those knives are worth the outrageous price. But if it makes you happy then that's nice. The truth is nothing about those are hard use. Also the one I had was heat treated soft. That's when I contacted the great CRK they said it was so it was easier to sharpen.
the only thing the sebenza has that another $50 knife has is the pivot design .the rest is hype .
people that like it dont even mention the pivot .