Yes, that price point is just too high. I just bought 2 New Nintendo 3DS, both under $200 each. And I'm picking up Switch Lites for $60 to $100. While I'd love to have this Flip DS, it just doesn't make financial sense. I'm way better off with a real laptop and carrying a Switch and/or 3DS.
lol ikr for now a 2nd hand 3ds will do! Id definitely want a 3d screen with eye tracking for this price too like DS was always cheap so its kinda a odd one defo cool but yeah too expensive
There is unfortunately no inspiration. You saw it on the DS and especially the WiiU. It has use cases but the developers have to do lots of extra work to utilize it. So most end up just mirroring, or using it for a map, or some separate mini games. One example of it being used right is in ZombiU (Zombi for WiiU) - the second screen was inventory. When accessing inventory, the main screen switches to a third person view of you accessing your backpack. Meanwhile, you're literally accessing your backpack on the WiiU gamepad screen, while glancing up at the main screen periodically to check for zombies. It was exciting and completely missing from the ported version.
@@bradye21playsIndieHorror I don't think they're talking about game design inspiration or actual consoles? More dual screen PC handhelds in the same family as this but more polished.
@@ESTE_ES_POLLITO_CON_FRENO The 4DS stands for the 4th Dualscreen System 🤓☝️( First is the DS, second is DSi, third is 3DS, and fourth is the 4DS) I didn't include 2DS because that has the same OS as the 3DS. The DSi has a slightly different OS than the DS, which is why I count it as the second one.
an android one would make a lot more sense tbh, smartphones can already emulate 3ds well so it doesn't need the power of a pc chip - the battery life would make a huge difference by itself with the platform change.
@@const3llations_370 the surface duo is an android handheld with dual AMOLED 4:3 displays and a snapdragon processor and you can get them for like $350
dude the work you are doing in this scene is legendary. please make sure you take breaks and don't get burnt out, i'm certain that these videos are TONS of work and the quantity you release is unreal. keep doing great, but also take it easy!
Watching a TV show while playing a game on a different screen on the same device. How far we’ve come. Also, my brain would hurt trying to do that in real life.
@@Danny83Munichdoesn't mean the game is boring. In some cases, maybe you're not as immersed in either, but different immersion level is not bored. In other cases, you could be using the show to shut out external distraction to better focus on the game. Time is finite, why choose one, when you can do both? Obviously, if playing f2p, it's about ignoring the ads, grind, as much as possible. This does arguably fit your bored definition, but some people don't want to steal or pay or not play. Just because it isn't relaxing or fun for you, doesn't mean others are stupid, especially if it works for them.
@@washuai Even in non freemium games sometimes you can grind in a game while watching something and figure out what to do with your imaginary money and experience later.
8840u 120hz Dual Screen for $739/$779 - price is insane bro! Half the raw power Zen2 Steam Deck OLED for $649 - OMG most budget friendly handheld PC!!!!!! Nah bro... Prices are cool. The Switch sold for nearly $400 and nobody ever complained the fact that it's a cheap ass handheld with an extremely underpowered 2015 APU while having stick drift as its most consistent feature. Ayaneo prices are coming down but $779 for all of that the Flip DS offers is not bad at all.
It really isn't it was wayyy cheaper than I was expecting i expected it to be at least 1k, less than 800 bucks for dual screen handheld with the current best available APU is a great deal
@@dorayaki5494these comments about price are from people who aren’t familiar with pc and handheld pc part prices. Likely comparing underpriced consoles and steam deck, and like you said, the 2015 android tablet switch which is sold for around $100 profit.
It’s not that crazy, it’s a handheld laptop. Not all companies can sell at a loss like the steam deck because steam makes their money off steam store sales while everyone else needs to profit from hardware sales.
As someone with a huge amount of nostalgia for the DS, this is one of the coolest handheld pcs I've seen in a long time... ...That price means I won't be getting it myself, but kudos to AYANEO for committing to such a cool design. If they make an updated version in the future, I'd definitely consider picking up one myself. Hopefully with a good bit better battery life, too.
Don't worry you can buy it for half that price in 3 months on ebay and at least you know it's a working device because someone else has actually tested it for you and ebay buyer protection is a lot more reliable than ayaneo's customer service
It might still be a bit on the pricey side for a handheld device but given the hardware and performance on it, its getting real close to affordable which was nothing but a pipe dream a couple years ago before the Steam Deck showed up. The market for this kind of handheld is also getting good with a ton of gamers now being adults who grew up playing DS and 3DS and are very nostalgic about their games rather than people like myself who grew up playing the OG Gameboy and the Gameboy Advance.
@@DarkNia64 That’s the much more economical option if you’re solely looking to play DS games. People buying this probably aren’t solely looking to do that, though. I personally think the novelty of having a portable PC with dual monitors is cool, and I’m a fan of the clamshell design. If I were to ever spend the money on this, it wouldn’t just be used as an emulation device, especially since it has the power to run modern AAA titles. That battery life means it can’t do it for very long though…
I probably wouldn't buy this as just an emulation device, but when you showed how the second screen can be used as a keyboard and as a trackpad, that made my mind up: I'll be able to use this as a small windows laptop on trains and while flying, to respond to emails or do some basic work in a way that is more convenient than just using a phone, but doesn't require me to bring a whole laptop. This use case, together with the idea of playing Wii U and 3DS games, makes this a worthwhile device for me.
You might not realize this, but trains and most planes have USB power on all seats, so the battery life is irrelevant - and even if I can't plug in, I always bring batteries with me. As for size, it takes up way less space in my backpack than a laptop. Also, just an aside, it seems odd to call somebody else's opinion moronic based on such a flimsy argument. You seem oddly emotionally invested in this. Why does this bother you so much?
this deff has a wiff of early adopter problems, but im very excited to see these console makers experiment in the space. It looks like too much faffing around and compromises for my liking, but in coming years im hoping there will be more itterations on this idea. the ideal is to have a system where you can load up a DS game from the menu and both screens just automatically fit
Using the bottom screen for a dedicated, magnified mini-map is so cool! It's enthusiast know-how like this that consistently brings me back to his channel.
I have got 8 houra battery life on my OLED for indie titles and emulation for Windwqker HD would be double not mention I can put it to sleep and come back.
The dual-screen aspect misses the mark for me a bit (the device is way overkill and way overpriced for DS/3DS emulation, and I don't think hacking a screen mirror is worth it), but it's making me happy since it's - I think - the only PC handheld on the market at the moment that has controls below the screen. I like the Steam Deck, but I find wide handhelds pretty uncomfortable.
@@ADHDreams what else is there? GPD Win Mini or Max I guess, but those are even worse when it comes to price. Other than that all vertical/clamshell handhelds I know of are Android or Linux-based.
@@maciejstachowski183They honestly missed their target audience with this device by a MILE. They would’ve made bank if they had made it an almost plug and play emulation device like the Analogue Pocket but for 3DS/DS. They should’ve made it way weaker which in result would make it more portable and cheaper (Don’t need that much power for 1080p 3DS/DS emulation) and made both screen proportionate. Maaaaaybe add a parallax screen for 3D. The market for a double screen powerful laptop is minuscule. The market for a powerful 3DS/DS emulation device is huge given current prices. A hacked 3DS is a much better deal for playing those games.
@@const3llations_370 Just because they haven't caught my attention doesn't mean they weren't noteworthy (or even that I would claim they weren't in any way). We each have our own priorities. The Steam Deck hit a sweet spot for me in bang to buck ratio. If I need more performance, I have my PC. The Flip DS is more $$$ than I'm willing to pay for a handheld, but its unique use cases are cool enough that it caught my eye despite this. I don't think there's anything sad about that.
The review I've been waiting for. I've been on the fence about picking one of these up since it was announced, and this pushed me to pick up the $780 8840U version. I was originally going to get black but thanks to all of that smudging I opted for white instead. Can't wait to get my hands on it! 😎
I definitely wanted to get my hands on an Aya Neo Flip DS just so I can personally enjoy the best modern experience playing DS and 3DS games as well as Wii U games for me to play on the bus as well as whatever PC games I would have a hard time to get running on my Steam Deck, either because of storage or technical.
When it comes to Citra and getting both screens to be "fullscreen" on separate monitors it goes as follows: Open and choose a game. After it's launched toggle the separate screens and move the second screen to the second monitor. Close Citra completely. Open it back up and when you choose a game, the screens should start out in separate windows. Move the second window to the second monitor and use the fullscreen hotkey to go fullscreen. Put the main screen's window back in focus by clicking it, use the hotkey for fullscreen. Now both are in full screen. However, not sure how well this will translate to Flip DS, but it should work the same as it's still happening in Windows.
For those getting annoyed with doing the same setup routine for 3ds games again and again, you can use windows batch file to automate in one click. I used it with my dual screen desktop setup.
I like the idea, but not the price. I wish Ayaneo can get their pricing improved, they aren't gonna be here much longer if they don't. I'm sure this is awesome, but there ain't an ice cubes chance in heck I'll ever buy it. Great job as always Russ!
I don't think they have much of an option or they probably would. It speaks more to Valve and Asus that they can subsidize as much as they can to bring down the price, not the other way around.
I saw all these price comments before I started watching and was like "how bad could it be?" Lmao. I would just buy a Steam Deck and deal with putting the second screen in a corner or something. $1k is crazy.
Materials have costs. Suppliers have costs, paying people to design and manufacture is a cost. Shipping parts and materials is a cost. These things aren’t just magic. It’s almost a miracle it’s this cheap to begin with and requires almost slave labor and deep shipping subsidies to achieve this price.
@@KyleMc16It is more powerful than the Deck. It's basically an Ally with options for more storage/ram to push it over that $1k mark, while being smaller and having two screens. Kind of crazy, actually.
@@godminnette2 doesn't really matter much if the best you can do is around 2 hours of playtime, even if it's just playing emulators, even a non-OLED Steam Deck can stretch to 6 hours if you do some tweaking
Very interesting device! But man, your review was simply brilliant! Deep, thorough, with lots of alternatives and ways to really squish the form-factor possibilities. Incredible work, thank you!
Lots of Wii U games, Wind Waker and Twilight princess included, in Cemu are compatible with the Pro controller, which means that you don't really need a second screen if you are playing emulating that controller
I love that you thought of so many different use cases and showcased them all. Very good examples. I personally want something like this but I don't need it to play modern PC games since I have a Steam Deck and Legion Go. So just powerful enough to emulate Wii U in exchange for more battery life and lower costs I would have much preferred. If I had no other PC handhelds this would be a great candidate
700 dollars i could just buy a wii u and 3ds and mod them. super cool device, will definitely get when its buried and forgotten and being sold for like 300 lol
Ehhhh aya doesn't sell a crazy amount of any of their devices I don't think it will ever be available for 300 unless you got really lucky finding someone selling one locally
People were clamoring for the Retroid Pocket Flip to have a second screen for their niche use case, not realizing how much is required to make that happen and the cost the device would have to be. Now that we have this device, there's a lot of complaining over the price. It blows my mind that people think they can just *poof* things without any compromise
@markalexander5578 yes, that is my point. They were hoping to add a second screen and functionality that does not exist elsewhere without compromising the cost. That's not how things work, you have to pay more for that at this time.
to be fair the price has nothing to do with the second window, and more to do with the fact that it has the highest end PC processor they can fit into the form factor. Worst case the RP flip would cost an extra 75 bucks and some people would gladly pay that.
I know right! I’ve been eyeing the Lenovo Legion Go to upgrade from my Steam deck, but this looked even better for my main purposes of emulation. Hopefully updates fix it.
The 45 degree volume button makes complete sense: when you’re holding the controls you use the thumb I change the volume. The thumb naturally moves at a diagonal when you move it up and down. It’s perfect thoughtful design. Think about how when you’re holding and using it
Thank you for doing “Pocketable” categories in your vids but also MODELLING them in your pocket. I’m primarily a handheld gamer, and pocketing my system is like in my top3 priorities. Bring able to accurately and affordably emulate my 3ds and WiiU is my highest level want right now so I’m delighted by your review. Still gonna wait on this one tho.
WAY too many people complaining about the price. To me that is insane. You are getting a FULL BLOWN windows PC with dual screens (one at 120hz) and good specs in a portable form factor smaller than most laptops for under $1000 (unless you go with the highest spec model). Most laptops and tablets with similar specs and features cost about the same and in some cases over $1000 and they only have 1 screen. The only real downside is the battery life but that is usually the case when a new device comes out, especially one like this. I'm not saying it's cheap, however the price is more than fair for what it offers especially when compared to the competition.
You can get a full gaming laptop for $650 straight from Lenovo with an actual dedicated graphics card, DDR5 memory, and a 144hz screen. This thing is interesting but you’d have to be insane to think it’s a good deal. It doesn’t even have a graphics card. The bottom screen on this thing probably costs $20 at max as well.
Those use cases are all so fun and cool. Hadn't even considered VMUs! Fingers crossed that this gets enough attention to garner a new version with improved comfort, better controls, and better sound.
There is a little space to make that bottom screen larger on the prototype, I know it is not that easy, or maybe possible. Hopefully they can utilize more space in the actual release, cannot really complain the way it is either way. This is a pretty impressive device, that mini map hack was pretty genius by the way.
In all windows devices battery life is too short, in fact, if someone interest is into retrogaming and not PC games an odin 2 can provide a smooth emulation until wii and your device will be fresh and full of energy.
@@SoulK37 And this device can't play Windows games for more than an hour or two, which is barely more useful. I already own a laptop, the only reason to have a portable like this is for portability, and with that battery life (which will only get worse as you use it) it doesn't have that.
Thanks for the review! I’ve been waiting for a hands-on look before deciding to take the plunge and pick one up. The price isn’t an issue for me but that occulink issue and the hoops needed for borderless bottom screen emulation is a deal breaker for the time being.
This thing is tempting for sure but man that price is really high. The size is really what makes this thing cool but to pay twice the price of the new oled steam deck which is also an emulation beast is a bit too far I think.
Nintendo's dual screen era was unique and always feels awkward being emulated in single screen devices which this seems to cater to. That said, foldable smartphones + controller are also an option for this use if not sticking with the original consoles.
I have a Win Mini which I love, but this is very tempting. Unfortunately, I've been using Linux almost exclusively since Yuzu gets much better performance at lower TDPs, and I suspect other emulators will be the same. The other thing, Sleep is flawless on Linux where windows has too many issues. Either way, I'll stick to my Mini, but not because I don't want one of these! The Mini is fantastic though, so no sacrifice.
Thanks for the great video. The more I see clamshell devices, the more I am super happy to own a few Nintendo DSL, 2ds XL and 3ds. Even though this device can play a lot of systems and can blow away any Nintendo devices in terms of pure power, you just can't beat the value, the experience, and the quality of old Nintendo hardware, especially when considering that I paid less than half for all of my devices combined.
Your talking high end hardware. 2hrs battery life is amazing. Your comment is not accurate, it's probably the best you can do under manufacturing circumstances. What I think is ridiculous is the 120hz display on a DS sized handheld. Why go beyond 60Hz? Why use HD resolution? It doesn't make sense design wise.
would much prefer a way less powerful device. I'd really only want this for original DS games. That battery life is a shame. Hopefully this inspires some other companies to look into dual screens, I expect it is difficult to do though.
That price is crazy. I just got a surface duo and a gamesir x2 for under $400.00. Dual screen gaming with 2 oled screens of the same size, with up to around Switch level peformance. You should get the duo 2 for a little better performance. Plus you can remove the controller and you have a little folding digital diary like form factor.
I love the clamshell design I just got the retroid flip last year and i love it I dont quite have money for something like this but its definitely on the wish list
That would put it below the cheapest steamdeck brand new. You have unreasonable expectations for a more powerful handheld PC with a second screen built in
@mountain342 that might be a solution, but it might also be much easier said than done. How many android devices have successfully implemented two screens?
@@davidcuellar7414 Seems odd to give it all that power. Just prices most people out, those that might use this (which you don't need a monster PC to emulate Wii U or 3ds games). Like, let's make a Hyundai with rims made out of gold?
@patron7906 my thought is that a lot of power (and resources from a company) is probably required to make this happen. I mean, otherwise we would have had these companies doing this already. We just recently started getting folding android phones at the absolute highest end, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they require the most amount of CPU power available and the cheapest ones start at around $1000.
Though this does look a bit rough and prototype-y, I'm really glad to see someone trying this concept. I hope it does well enough for them to be able to comfortably iterate and release a second generation. I think that would be very neat to see. Unfortunately, I personally don't feel particularly compelled to have a full Windows PC in my hands, so I'd have to concede that I'm not really the target audience.
i am so happy with my retroid flip that the more i see this review the more i think that the version with no second screen had more value if it only costs less than this one
My dream accessory would be an ultra slim, Steam Deck clamshell style second screen. Imagine plugging it in on the usb- c port of the steam deck, it centers sits/clips onto the top of the Deck, and when closed, it hinges shut to screen protect the deck. When Opened, Boom citra gold.
God I want this so bad for DS emulation but that price is way way way too high. Who on earth can afford this?! I could buy two steam decks and tape them together for this price.
Why pay so much to emulate DS when you can just get a hacked 3DS instead for a MUCH cheaper price? It's just a horrible idea to pay this much for this alone.
I gotta say, even with my disdain for AYANEO, this is a FANTASTIC review! So detailed! I really appreciated all the testing with 3rd party apps to enhance the experience. It almost makes me want to get one.... almost. 😅
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Going to wait for the AYANEO Flip DS 2, which should be announced by the end of the week.
Its already on pre-order campaign on their website.
@@livinlicious 💀💀
Only when the first orders are sent out. They they announce the 1.5 version
gonna wait for the 200 dollar Retroid/Anbernic version 😄
I'm going to wait for the Flip DS 2XL 3D
I am totally going to get one... in 4 years.... used... off ebay...
Yeah same here
Ill buy it 3rd hand when you are done with it.
I honestly just wait for some bigger Company (Like Asus, Lenovo, MSI) to copy this so we can get it cheaper. Maybe Acer?
Yes, that price point is just too high. I just bought 2 New Nintendo 3DS, both under $200 each. And I'm picking up Switch Lites for $60 to $100. While I'd love to have this Flip DS, it just doesn't make financial sense. I'm way better off with a real laptop and carrying a Switch and/or 3DS.
lol ikr for now a 2nd hand 3ds will do! Id definitely want a 3d screen with eye tracking for this price too like DS was always cheap so its kinda a odd one defo cool but yeah too expensive
Hopefully, this gives everyone some inspiration to keep working on dual screen handhelds
I’m hopeful
this
There is unfortunately no inspiration. You saw it on the DS and especially the WiiU. It has use cases but the developers have to do lots of extra work to utilize it. So most end up just mirroring, or using it for a map, or some separate mini games.
One example of it being used right is in ZombiU (Zombi for WiiU) - the second screen was inventory. When accessing inventory, the main screen switches to a third person view of you accessing your backpack. Meanwhile, you're literally accessing your backpack on the WiiU gamepad screen, while glancing up at the main screen periodically to check for zombies. It was exciting and completely missing from the ported version.
@@bradye21playsIndieHorror I don't think they're talking about game design inspiration or actual consoles? More dual screen PC handhelds in the same family as this but more polished.
ye I like this design, only complaint would be bezels and how small bottom screen is looks really off for a device from 2024
you found way more uses for the second screen than I expected, thumbs up for going above and beyond with this review
Finally the 4DS!
lol true
🤓☝️Ds stands for dual and 3ds stands for 3d screen and 4ds wtf?🤓☝️
@@ESTE_ES_POLLITO_CON_FRENO The 4DS stands for the 4th Dualscreen System 🤓☝️( First is the DS, second is DSi, third is 3DS, and fourth is the 4DS) I didn't include 2DS because that has the same OS as the 3DS. The DSi has a slightly different OS than the DS, which is why I count it as the second one.
@@geggyboy1269 🤓☝️i know it stands 4 dimensions but human eye can't see it🤓☝️
no
The battery test was MVP level! Your attention to detail is greatly appreciated mate. Cheers!
Man, this is sick. I do hope we get more dual screen handhelds, and would love something just a bit smaller.
The best dual screen handheld is a microsoft surface duo with a telescopic controller
@@nickentros no, lol
an android one would make a lot more sense tbh, smartphones can already emulate 3ds well so it doesn't need the power of a pc chip - the battery life would make a huge difference by itself with the platform change.
@@nickentrosyou must be brain dead if you actually believe that. Surface duo is not a windows handheld.
@@const3llations_370 the surface duo is an android handheld with dual AMOLED 4:3 displays and a snapdragon processor and you can get them for like $350
dude the work you are doing in this scene is legendary. please make sure you take breaks and don't get burnt out, i'm certain that these videos are TONS of work and the quantity you release is unreal. keep doing great, but also take it easy!
Watching a TV show while playing a game on a different screen on the same device. How far we’ve come. Also, my brain would hurt trying to do that in real life.
It's also kinda stupid cause you should play games you enjoy and not games that makes you feel bored so that you have to watch tv
@@Danny83Munichdoesn't mean the game is boring.
In some cases, maybe you're not as immersed in either, but different immersion level is not bored. In other cases, you could be using the show to shut out external distraction to better focus on the game. Time is finite, why choose one, when you can do both?
Obviously, if playing f2p, it's about ignoring the ads, grind, as much as possible. This does arguably fit your bored definition, but some people don't want to steal or pay or not play.
Just because it isn't relaxing or fun for you, doesn't mean others are stupid, especially if it works for them.
I do this! When I’m doing mindless grinding, I usually put on a tv show to watch while i press buttons 😂
Lots of people do that on their computer, or using a second device like a handheld or tablet.
@@washuai Even in non freemium games sometimes you can grind in a game while watching something and figure out what to do with your imaginary money and experience later.
This is really cool, however that price is insane.
Give it a few months and they'll come down dramatically
8840u 120hz Dual Screen for $739/$779 - price is insane bro!
Half the raw power Zen2 Steam Deck OLED for $649 - OMG most budget friendly handheld PC!!!!!!
Nah bro... Prices are cool. The Switch sold for nearly $400 and nobody ever complained the fact that it's a cheap ass handheld with an extremely underpowered 2015 APU while having stick drift as its most consistent feature. Ayaneo prices are coming down but $779 for all of that the Flip DS offers is not bad at all.
It really isn't it was wayyy cheaper than I was expecting i expected it to be at least 1k, less than 800 bucks for dual screen handheld with the current best available APU is a great deal
@@dorayaki5494these comments about price are from people who aren’t familiar with pc and handheld pc part prices. Likely comparing underpriced consoles and steam deck, and like you said, the 2015 android tablet switch which is sold for around $100 profit.
It’s not that crazy, it’s a handheld laptop. Not all companies can sell at a loss like the steam deck because steam makes their money off steam store sales while everyone else needs to profit from hardware sales.
Really great to see handhelds finally getting two screens. Keen to see an ARM based equivalent in the future!
As someone with a huge amount of nostalgia for the DS, this is one of the coolest handheld pcs I've seen in a long time...
...That price means I won't be getting it myself, but kudos to AYANEO for committing to such a cool design. If they make an updated version in the future, I'd definitely consider picking up one myself. Hopefully with a good bit better battery life, too.
Don't worry you can buy it for half that price in 3 months on ebay and at least you know it's a working device because someone else has actually tested it for you and ebay buyer protection is a lot more reliable than ayaneo's customer service
It might still be a bit on the pricey side for a handheld device but given the hardware and performance on it, its getting real close to affordable which was nothing but a pipe dream a couple years ago before the Steam Deck showed up. The market for this kind of handheld is also getting good with a ton of gamers now being adults who grew up playing DS and 3DS and are very nostalgic about their games rather than people like myself who grew up playing the OG Gameboy and the Gameboy Advance.
Why not get an old DS and load games off a flashcart?
@@DarkNia64 That’s the much more economical option if you’re solely looking to play DS games. People buying this probably aren’t solely looking to do that, though.
I personally think the novelty of having a portable PC with dual monitors is cool, and I’m a fan of the clamshell design. If I were to ever spend the money on this, it wouldn’t just be used as an emulation device, especially since it has the power to run modern AAA titles. That battery life means it can’t do it for very long though…
@@NamelessNathan Fair answer! I can only begin to imagine the possibilities with this thing.
Thanks for the interesting use cases for the second screen. An excellent presentation of the capabilities and potential.
I probably wouldn't buy this as just an emulation device, but when you showed how the second screen can be used as a keyboard and as a trackpad, that made my mind up: I'll be able to use this as a small windows laptop on trains and while flying, to respond to emails or do some basic work in a way that is more convenient than just using a phone, but doesn't require me to bring a whole laptop. This use case, together with the idea of playing Wii U and 3DS games, makes this a worthwhile device for me.
a phone would be way more convenient
That seems moronic considering the horrid battery life on this thing and just how bulky it is.
@@sjoerdevright?!!!!
Pair this with some media glasses like Rokid and you be coolest kid on the block.
You might not realize this, but trains and most planes have USB power on all seats, so the battery life is irrelevant - and even if I can't plug in, I always bring batteries with me.
As for size, it takes up way less space in my backpack than a laptop.
Also, just an aside, it seems odd to call somebody else's opinion moronic based on such a flimsy argument. You seem oddly emotionally invested in this. Why does this bother you so much?
20:50 finally a perfect device for subway surfers + family guy
You should do a review of the best snacks and drinks to grab at the start of your videos.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
and dont forget to compare each snack to the EM780 because you wont believe its that small lmao
That would be a great April fools prank
and then compare the size of the device to X snack
"This might be a long one, so grab your favorite retro game and relax."
this deff has a wiff of early adopter problems, but im very excited to see these console makers experiment in the space. It looks like too much faffing around and compromises for my liking, but in coming years im hoping there will be more itterations on this idea. the ideal is to have a system where you can load up a DS game from the menu and both screens just automatically fit
Using the bottom screen for a dedicated, magnified mini-map is so cool! It's enthusiast know-how like this that consistently brings me back to his channel.
I think you may have misunderstood. That's just a standard Wii U feature from the gamepad.
@@harrydavey9884 24:48 He's talking about on PC games
Ooof that battery life😵
AYN needs to do an Odin DS. This type of setup makes more sense on mobile hardware just because it's way more power efficient.
"I probably missed some use cases" then proceeds to get a functional VMU on DEMUL on a second screen. 🔥
Oh my lord that battery life
Right lol
Sooooo bad. My Steam Deck triples (almost) that time on similar settings...
I have got 8 houra battery life on my OLED for indie titles and emulation for Windwqker HD would be double not mention I can put it to sleep and come back.
@@joehood732 yeah SD is 🔥🔥
Yup, pants
I bet this gonna make like 3 people happy. Cool device none the less.
Over 500 people have ordered it on IGG
The dual-screen aspect misses the mark for me a bit (the device is way overkill and way overpriced for DS/3DS emulation, and I don't think hacking a screen mirror is worth it), but it's making me happy since it's - I think - the only PC handheld on the market at the moment that has controls below the screen. I like the Steam Deck, but I find wide handhelds pretty uncomfortable.
@@maciejstachowski183 its not
@@ADHDreams what else is there? GPD Win Mini or Max I guess, but those are even worse when it comes to price. Other than that all vertical/clamshell handhelds I know of are Android or Linux-based.
@@maciejstachowski183They honestly missed their target audience with this device by a MILE. They would’ve made bank if they had made it an almost plug and play emulation device like the Analogue Pocket but for 3DS/DS. They should’ve made it way weaker which in result would make it more portable and cheaper (Don’t need that much power for 1080p 3DS/DS emulation) and made both screen proportionate. Maaaaaybe add a parallax screen for 3D.
The market for a double screen powerful laptop is minuscule. The market for a powerful 3DS/DS emulation device is huge given current prices. A hacked 3DS is a much better deal for playing those games.
25:05 Yo what? That's just a cool and useful program, but making games into a dual screen set up is neat!
This is the first handheld that's managed to get my attention since the Steam Deck. Thanks for the video.
Thats sad bc there have been tons of equally noteworthy handhelds come out and the steam deck is ugly, outdated, and cumbersome.
@@const3llations_370 Just because they haven't caught my attention doesn't mean they weren't noteworthy (or even that I would claim they weren't in any way). We each have our own priorities. The Steam Deck hit a sweet spot for me in bang to buck ratio. If I need more performance, I have my PC. The Flip DS is more $$$ than I'm willing to pay for a handheld, but its unique use cases are cool enough that it caught my eye despite this. I don't think there's anything sad about that.
Im amazed that no one else thought about making a better version of the ds
The review I've been waiting for.
I've been on the fence about picking one of these up since it was announced, and this pushed me to pick up the $780 8840U version.
I was originally going to get black but thanks to all of that smudging I opted for white instead.
Can't wait to get my hands on it! 😎
The Antarctica joke gets me every time
For every one person that likes the joke, I get an indignant reply correcting my error :)
ERRRGH IT'S NOT ANTARCTICA IT'S FOR THE SOUTH POLE@@RetroGameCorps
Finally! Wanted a DS like PC to exist for ages, this looks so cool!
I want one where you can use original cartridges
@@bdel80oh that would be sick
This is such an interesting handheld DS device, Little bit of a frustrating. Shame that it's really expensive but it's really damn cool!
im so impressed with how far handheld gaming has come this is crazy awesome
This is probably the most tempting windows handheld I've seen. If the battery life was better (especially on lower end stuff) I'd consider getting one
I definitely wanted to get my hands on an Aya Neo Flip DS just so I can personally enjoy the best modern experience playing DS and 3DS games as well as Wii U games for me to play on the bus as well as whatever PC games I would have a hard time to get running on my Steam Deck, either because of storage or technical.
The screen looks really really nice on this thing! Seeing how smooth the GameCube game was in the beginning was really cool!
What an exciting journey we are in for today with this one team!
When it comes to Citra and getting both screens to be "fullscreen" on separate monitors it goes as follows:
Open and choose a game. After it's launched toggle the separate screens and move the second screen to the second monitor.
Close Citra completely. Open it back up and when you choose a game, the screens should start out in separate windows. Move the second window to the second monitor and use the fullscreen hotkey to go fullscreen.
Put the main screen's window back in focus by clicking it, use the hotkey for fullscreen. Now both are in full screen.
However, not sure how well this will translate to Flip DS, but it should work the same as it's still happening in Windows.
i propably won't use it, having backup 3ds, but i'm happy this exists. Ayaneo killing it with so many form factors
For those getting annoyed with doing the same setup routine for 3ds games again and again, you can use windows batch file to automate in one click. I used it with my dual screen desktop setup.
I like the idea, but not the price. I wish Ayaneo can get their pricing improved, they aren't gonna be here much longer if they don't. I'm sure this is awesome, but there ain't an ice cubes chance in heck I'll ever buy it. Great job as always Russ!
I don't think they have much of an option or they probably would. It speaks more to Valve and Asus that they can subsidize as much as they can to bring down the price, not the other way around.
I saw all these price comments before I started watching and was like "how bad could it be?"
Lmao. I would just buy a Steam Deck and deal with putting the second screen in a corner or something. $1k is crazy.
Materials have costs. Suppliers have costs, paying people to design and manufacture is a cost. Shipping parts and materials is a cost. These things aren’t just magic. It’s almost a miracle it’s this cheap to begin with and requires almost slave labor and deep shipping subsidies to achieve this price.
@@KyleMc16It is more powerful than the Deck. It's basically an Ally with options for more storage/ram to push it over that $1k mark, while being smaller and having two screens. Kind of crazy, actually.
@@godminnette2 doesn't really matter much if the best you can do is around 2 hours of playtime, even if it's just playing emulators, even a non-OLED Steam Deck can stretch to 6 hours if you do some tweaking
Very interesting device! But man, your review was simply brilliant! Deep, thorough, with lots of alternatives and ways to really squish the form-factor possibilities. Incredible work, thank you!
Lots of Wii U games, Wind Waker and Twilight princess included, in Cemu are compatible with the Pro controller, which means that you don't really need a second screen if you are playing emulating that controller
I love that you thought of so many different use cases and showcased them all. Very good examples.
I personally want something like this but I don't need it to play modern PC games since I have a Steam Deck and Legion Go. So just powerful enough to emulate Wii U in exchange for more battery life and lower costs I would have much preferred. If I had no other PC handhelds this would be a great candidate
700 dollars i could just buy a wii u and 3ds and mod them.
super cool device, will definitely get when its buried and forgotten and being sold for like 300 lol
Ehhhh aya doesn't sell a crazy amount of any of their devices I don't think it will ever be available for 300 unless you got really lucky finding someone selling one locally
Once you miss out you wont see it again unless someone sells theirs broken
WOW you showcased so many uses for the second screen that I never would have thought of! Love the 3rd party apps info too!
People were clamoring for the Retroid Pocket Flip to have a second screen for their niche use case, not realizing how much is required to make that happen and the cost the device would have to be.
Now that we have this device, there's a lot of complaining over the price. It blows my mind that people think they can just *poof* things without any compromise
Most people have less than zero idea of what it takes to design and produce a product of any kind. Let alone an electronic device.
Yeah, but the compromise is $600
@markalexander5578 yes, that is my point. They were hoping to add a second screen and functionality that does not exist elsewhere without compromising the cost. That's not how things work, you have to pay more for that at this time.
to be fair the price has nothing to do with the second window, and more to do with the fact that it has the highest end PC processor they can fit into the form factor. Worst case the RP flip would cost an extra 75 bucks and some people would gladly pay that.
@@TheRealAlpha2Yeah, I'd much prefer a less powerful device with a lower cost, it seems unnecessary for what it is aiming to do.
Great video Russ! This device is pretty cool. Also, that ROG Ally pillow is adorable.
Man, I was so interested in this until I saw the battery life. That's killer.
I know right! I’ve been eyeing the Lenovo Legion Go to upgrade from my Steam deck, but this looked even better for my main purposes of emulation. Hopefully updates fix it.
The 45 degree volume button makes complete sense: when you’re holding the controls you use the thumb I change the volume. The thumb naturally moves at a diagonal when you move it up and down. It’s perfect thoughtful design. Think about how when you’re holding and using it
Great point 👍
How quickly does it do a vlookup in excel?
its a hlookup
@@charlesxu9081both exist
v=vertical, h=horizontal
Thank you for doing “Pocketable” categories in your vids but also MODELLING them in your pocket. I’m primarily a handheld gamer, and pocketing my system is like in my top3 priorities. Bring able to accurately and affordably emulate my 3ds and WiiU is my highest level want right now so I’m delighted by your review. Still gonna wait on this one tho.
WAY too many people complaining about the price. To me that is insane. You are getting a FULL BLOWN windows PC with dual screens (one at 120hz) and good specs in a portable form factor smaller than most laptops for under $1000 (unless you go with the highest spec model). Most laptops and tablets with similar specs and features cost about the same and in some cases over $1000 and they only have 1 screen. The only real downside is the battery life but that is usually the case when a new device comes out, especially one like this. I'm not saying it's cheap, however the price is more than fair for what it offers especially when compared to the competition.
u could just buy a steam deck and skip all this rubbish. switch && steam deck oled has me set for a while.
You can get a full gaming laptop for $650 straight from Lenovo with an actual dedicated graphics card, DDR5 memory, and a 144hz screen. This thing is interesting but you’d have to be insane to think it’s a good deal. It doesn’t even have a graphics card.
The bottom screen on this thing probably costs $20 at max as well.
Those use cases are all so fun and cool. Hadn't even considered VMUs! Fingers crossed that this gets enough attention to garner a new version with improved comfort, better controls, and better sound.
There is a little space to make that bottom screen larger on the prototype, I know it is not that easy, or maybe possible. Hopefully they can utilize more space in the actual release, cannot really complain the way it is either way. This is a pretty impressive device, that mini map hack was pretty genius by the way.
thats what the Flip DS2 is gonna be for
Sadly that is believable. @@HaswellCore
I love the way this thing looks
That battery life is disgusting. Makes the Odin 2 look like a beast
In all windows devices battery life is too short, in fact, if someone interest is into retrogaming and not PC games an odin 2 can provide a smooth emulation until wii and your device will be fresh and full of energy.
That's cus it is a beast. I get crazy battery life from mine, and a 65w charger charges it quick as hell.
I mean, it is. But that difference is why I won't be considering any of these x86 models regardless of the power.
Odin doesn't have windows nor can play windows games so Im not sure whats your point
@@SoulK37 And this device can't play Windows games for more than an hour or two, which is barely more useful. I already own a laptop, the only reason to have a portable like this is for portability, and with that battery life (which will only get worse as you use it) it doesn't have that.
For whatever reason, I didn't expect this to be fast enough for Wii U. This is actually an awesome piece of hardware.
I stopped the video at the price. I don’t care what it does or how well it does it at that price.
yup same. insane. at that price you may as well get a switch and mod it for a full range of platforms
Its an extremely niche product...
@@Tofuey extremely debatable statement
Its runs a 780m video card. It can run anything
Thanks for the review! I’ve been waiting for a hands-on look before deciding to take the plunge and pick one up. The price isn’t an issue for me but that occulink issue and the hoops needed for borderless bottom screen emulation is a deal breaker for the time being.
This thing is tempting for sure but man that price is really high. The size is really what makes this thing cool but to pay twice the price of the new oled steam deck which is also an emulation beast is a bit too far I think.
Nintendo's dual screen era was unique and always feels awkward being emulated in single screen devices which this seems to cater to. That said, foldable smartphones + controller are also an option for this use if not sticking with the original consoles.
This.
i was waiting for this video, thank you
I have a Win Mini which I love, but this is very tempting. Unfortunately, I've been using Linux almost exclusively since Yuzu gets much better performance at lower TDPs, and I suspect other emulators will be the same. The other thing, Sleep is flawless on Linux where windows has too many issues. Either way, I'll stick to my Mini, but not because I don't want one of these! The Mini is fantastic though, so no sacrifice.
Got mine shipping next month, thanks a ton for including third party software fixes i was not looking forward to that setup
Thanks for the great video. The more I see clamshell devices, the more I am super happy to own a few Nintendo DSL, 2ds XL and 3ds. Even though this device can play a lot of systems and can blow away any Nintendo devices in terms of pure power, you just can't beat the value, the experience, and the quality of old Nintendo hardware, especially when considering that I paid less than half for all of my devices combined.
This is really, really cool! I hope this design goes mainstream so the price drops!
This looks cool, but what everyday objects is it smaller than?
nothing, the thing is fricken huge.
A car
Love whenever I sit down for some Golden Sun and Family Guy😂 the juxtaposition there kills me. Great video as always.
Portable Wii U is a win in my book. Is there any way to remove or increase the TDP limit?
Someone wasn't paying attention.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 It's a 45 min video, if I missed something, you could just answer
I have been waiting for something like this for forever
OH maybe not. Too much. Too expensive.
20:33 oh yeah, adhd sweet spot!
Aint gonna lie, really excited for this
I was kinda intrested in this until I saw the battery life specs. Wow, just...ouch.
One of very few people on this platform that use myriad correctly!
Well done sir
2h battery life in celeste. What a joke
Your talking high end hardware. 2hrs battery life is amazing. Your comment is not accurate, it's probably the best you can do under manufacturing circumstances. What I think is ridiculous is the 120hz display on a DS sized handheld. Why go beyond 60Hz? Why use HD resolution? It doesn't make sense design wise.
It's crazy to think that literally only 24 years ago. This type of technology would've made you a KING!!
would much prefer a way less powerful device. I'd really only want this for original DS games. That battery life is a shame.
Hopefully this inspires some other companies to look into dual screens, I expect it is difficult to do though.
The best option for ds games is to just buy a ds.
That price is crazy. I just got a surface duo and a gamesir x2 for under $400.00. Dual screen gaming with 2 oled screens of the same size, with up to around Switch level peformance. You should get the duo 2 for a little better performance. Plus you can remove the controller and you have a little folding digital diary like form factor.
Battery life for this handheld is abysmal
I love the clamshell design
I just got the retroid flip last year and i love it
I dont quite have money for something like this but its definitely on the wish list
The perfect $200-350 handheld. Which they are selling for $700-$900+
That would put it below the cheapest steamdeck brand new. You have unreasonable expectations for a more powerful handheld PC with a second screen built in
They need to make an android version of this console.
@mountain342 that might be a solution, but it might also be much easier said than done. How many android devices have successfully implemented two screens?
@@davidcuellar7414 Seems odd to give it all that power. Just prices most people out, those that might use this (which you don't need a monster PC to emulate Wii U or 3ds games). Like, let's make a Hyundai with rims made out of gold?
@patron7906 my thought is that a lot of power (and resources from a company) is probably required to make this happen. I mean, otherwise we would have had these companies doing this already.
We just recently started getting folding android phones at the absolute highest end, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they require the most amount of CPU power available and the cheapest ones start at around $1000.
This is the product I've been waiting for reviewed by my favorite TH-camr ... To review!!!
bottom screen too small
Though this does look a bit rough and prototype-y, I'm really glad to see someone trying this concept. I hope it does well enough for them to be able to comfortably iterate and release a second generation. I think that would be very neat to see.
Unfortunately, I personally don't feel particularly compelled to have a full Windows PC in my hands, so I'd have to concede that I'm not really the target audience.
Pricey little thing
i am so happy with my retroid flip that the more i see this review the more i think that the version with no second screen had more value if it only costs less than this one
Lost me right away when you said it starts at $750
fr you can buy both a steam deck and a 3ds for that price
This is one of those “I’ll pick one up a few years later after the price drops a lot” devices. I do love the design and the possibilities.
Verdict: hadoukenable, oddly.
My dream accessory would be an ultra slim, Steam Deck clamshell style second screen. Imagine plugging it in on the usb- c port of the steam deck, it centers sits/clips onto the top of the Deck, and when closed, it hinges shut to screen protect the deck. When Opened, Boom citra gold.
God I want this so bad for DS emulation but that price is way way way too high. Who on earth can afford this?! I could buy two steam decks and tape them together for this price.
Why pay so much to emulate DS when you can just get a hacked 3DS instead for a MUCH cheaper price?
It's just a horrible idea to pay this much for this alone.
Dumb. Why would you buy a dedicated windows handheld to emulate ds when any phone can do it and you can buy a lightly used 3ds for 120 bucks on ebay
You can probably get a Microsoft duo tablet for cheaper as well. That’s just a book of full screen (3)DS goodness
That Joyce Manor shirt. Russ has always got the cool music taste.
half the price
put a much cheaper CPU but keep form factor
ditch terrible windows
fantastic 3ds and DS and cemu experience.
Make it last longer too . One hour battery life is unacceptable... .
The way he describes the d-pad reminds me of the GBA SP, NDS all 3DS models and the xbox 1.
These clamshell devices are cool but they need some kind of mechanism that pops the controls up when you open them.
That sounds a bit over engineered and failure prone. I think recessed is the best compromise
@@secureb00t39Recessed is definitely better than an over-engineered solution like that, but swappable sticks is another neat option.
Damn this changes everything! Finally we can play as good as on the original hardware.
just buy a ps5 with that money
会买这个的家里应该不会缺ps5
@@KJBChristianjust bought myself a flip KB from Indiegogo. Wondering how your experience was with shipping? Just super excited to receive mine!!!
But then wtf are you gonna play on it? Madden
THIS is what I have wanted forever!
TL:DW retail $1200, buy a pc
I’ve never clicked on a video from you so fast in my life
I gotta say, even with my disdain for AYANEO, this is a FANTASTIC review! So detailed!
I really appreciated all the testing with 3rd party apps to enhance the experience. It almost makes me want to get one.... almost. 😅
I’d been waiting this review from you Russ since I saw the device announcement.