When a complicated proof simplifies everything

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  • @KhanStopMe
    @KhanStopMe 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +991

    i thought this was blindingly obvious until i realised the reason i thought that is because i had already picked 10 as my starting number so the proof was immediately intuitive
    for a brief moment, i thought i was a genius

    • @zzzaphod8507
      @zzzaphod8507 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +74

      That version of it may be obvious but it's a bit in-tens for me.

    • @HunterJE
      @HunterJE 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      Same, I saw the thumbnail and so knew I'd be raising it to an exponent, and so picked a number I knew would be easy to do that to without getting out a calculator. And yeah definitely gave away the trick on the second proof XD

    • @johnnye87
      @johnnye87 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

      Once they've followed the step of converting to base b, technically everyone is using 10 as their starting number

    • @malvoliosf
      @malvoliosf 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’m not convinced you are not.

    • @gnaskar
      @gnaskar 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I picked 2. Which, yes, is divisible by 1.

  • @karlmikko
    @karlmikko 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1278

    I raised to the power of 1. Made a load of sense.

    • @NonFatMead
      @NonFatMead 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +128

      Now prove for case n+1 and you've got your inductive proof.

    • @positivity3311
      @positivity3311 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      me too

    • @soberhippie
      @soberhippie 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

      I raised it to the power of 0, and it made no sense at all

    • @gigantopithecus8254
      @gigantopithecus8254 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@soberhippiei mean 0/(b-1) is an integrr for b!=1

    • @lucas2nded461
      @lucas2nded461 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      I chose 1 as my starting number "b", which I promptly regretted

  • @mattgsm
    @mattgsm 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +465

    "Wait it's all 9s"
    "Always has been"

  • @danielmcallister8902
    @danielmcallister8902 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +507

    Love the second proof! In the vein of the first proof, there's the identity b^n - a^n = (b-a)*(b^n-1 + b^n-2 * a + .... + b * a^n-2 + a^n-1) that makes the divisibility quite clear.

    • @ShongoStick
      @ShongoStick 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      ah yes, this complicated string of math that i don't understand....yes, i understood that perfectly

    • @mathieuaurousseau100
      @mathieuaurousseau100 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      And now in the vein of the second proof, in (b^n)-1=(b-1)(b^n-1+b^n-2+...+b+1), if you write the second number in base b you get 111..1 (b ones)

    • @saavyk1264
      @saavyk1264 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@mathieuaurousseau100 Whoa

    • @nikos4677
      @nikos4677 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      This was my first thought.

    • @iang0th
      @iang0th 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ShongoStick It's easier to understand (at least if you can write it out properly instead of trying to force it into a TH-cam comment), if you look at like this: first set a=1, since we don't need the more general version, so we have (b-1)(b^n-1 + b^n-2 + ... b + 1) If you expand that out, you get (b^n + b^n-1 + ... b^2 + b) - (b^n-1 + b^n-2 + ... + b + 1). If you compare the positive terms with the ones being subtracted off, you'll notice that all of them cancel out except for the first and last, b^n-1.

  • @hallojava2458
    @hallojava2458 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +121

    Nice proof by induction I made:
    b^1 - 1 is obviously divisible by b - 1, as they are the same
    If b^n - 1 is divisible by b - 1, then so is b^(n+1) - 1, as b^(n+1) - 1 = b^(n+1) - b + b - 1
    = b(b^n - 1) + (b - 1)
    First term divides by (b - 1), as b^n - 1 divides by (b - 1)
    Second term (b - 1) divides by (b - 1)
    Induction: True of first case, and second, and third, and so on...

    • @quentind1924
      @quentind1924 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I did that too!

    • @kombat4135
      @kombat4135 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I thought of this as well

    • @broskey4041
      @broskey4041 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      was it specified that n is a set of natural numbers?

    • @chaddaifouche536
      @chaddaifouche536 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@broskey4041 You mean *in* the set of natural numbers. And that's really a matter of conventions : if you use n as a value name for something else than a (natural) integer without precisions, you're an heretical monster in the mathematical community. Similarly, because we're discussing divisibility without more details, you can infer that b should be an integer too.
      Of course if you're writing a math paper or in your exam, you should **really** details all of this!

    • @broskey4041
      @broskey4041 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@chaddaifouche536 thank you for the correction and clarification. I didn't even know that divisibility implies working with integers that's kinda cool

  • @henningsperr8063
    @henningsperr8063 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +626

    I thought of b=1

    • @Elnadrius
      @Elnadrius 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Me too!

    • @JohnR31415
      @JohnR31415 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Try b=pi, or root 2

    • @revadiazairlangga5939
      @revadiazairlangga5939 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      same here

    • @blackholedividedbyzero
      @blackholedividedbyzero 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      Zero divided by zero

    • @EqSlay
      @EqSlay 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      That's a bbbase case.

  • @amorphant
    @amorphant 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

    MATT! I think there's a lovely geometric proof as well! Visualize 5^2 as a 5x5 grid of squares. Remove the southeast corner. You now have a row of 4 (n-1) to the west of the missing square. Remove it. You also have a column of 4 to the north of the missing square. Remove it. You're left with a 4x4 grid, which is just more rows of 4. This works for any n^2.
    It extrapolates to higher dimensions as well. If you make a 5x5x5 cube, then take out one corner, you can remove one entire face using the method above. Then, remove the strip of 4 that's aligned with the missing corner on the Z-axis -- just like you did with the "row" and "column" in the x^2 example -- which leaves you with a bunch of identical slices, each of which is identical to the 2-dimensional example after removing one corner piece.

    • @vsm1456
      @vsm1456 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I like your idea! When a problem is visualised it makes it much more simple for me.

    • @jonathanallan5007
      @jonathanallan5007 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This. I visualised exactly the same almost straight away.

    • @jonathanallan5007
      @jonathanallan5007 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ...and going up in dimensions by one always adds (b-1) copies of the currently existing cubelets prior to the removal from the very first strip.

    • @amethystklintberg7436
      @amethystklintberg7436 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is beautiful!

    • @Naryoril
      @Naryoril 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      This should get more upvotes

  • @dtfd_
    @dtfd_ 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +172

    0:05 b = 1
    0:30 n = 0
    0:41 oh...
    So it turns out you can divide by 0 after all

    • @Mitchpott
      @Mitchpott 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Does 0/0 = 1 or undefined or infinity

    • @kutsen39
      @kutsen39 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      ​@@Mitchpott0/0 is considered undefined.
      Imagine a function (or graph it in Desmos) where it's some number divided by x, like y=1/x. If you start at x=1 and move towards x=0, you're dividing by a smaller number which means you're actually multiplying by a larger number, i.e. 1÷½=1×2. So as x approaches 0 from the positive side, the number races off to infinity.
      Now what happens if you start from x=-1? Well, the exact same thing, but the number is now negative. As x gets infinitely close to 0, the 'limit' (basically what we've just done) is different depending on how you look at it. So the limit is said to not exist.
      Lastly, imagine the age-old 0.99999... = 1. You might know it works because it's an infinitely long string of O's, but if you try to decide what its limit is (the number it gets infinitely close to), it approaches 1. There are some great proofs here for you to find. But in this respect of limits, we arrive at the conclusion that they are actually equivalent.
      So, because the limit does not exist, it is impossible to divide by 0. In actual calculus, it is said that if your result is 0/0, you've taken the wrong approach.

    • @danceswithowls
      @danceswithowls 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Factors aren't defined by division but by multiplication into a product. Given h × k = j, then h and k are factors of j. Likewise, since 3 × 0 = 0, both 3 and 0 are factors of 0. Nothing in there about division.

    • @nickpro8116
      @nickpro8116 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      From the point of view of the definition of divisibility, 0 is actually divisible by 0, since there exists a number (any number in fact) that you can multiply by zero to get zero. The funny thing is, this still doesn't imply you can divide by zero, it's just the one single case where the terms "divisibility" and "division" collide and contradict each other.
      But for any non-zero number, divisibility for sure implies that you can divide by that number and get a single unambiguous result.

    • @19divide53
      @19divide53 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@nickpro8116 The terms "divisibility" and "division" do not contradict each other. Division is defined as multiplication (one of the defining operation in a ring) by the multiplicative inverse (which exists for any nonzero element in a field). By definition, "division" excludes dividing by zero already.

  • @jihoonkim9766
    @jihoonkim9766 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +286

    The two proofs are actually very closely related!
    In the first proof, you basically factor b^n - 1 into (b - 1) * (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + b^(n-3) + ... + b^0).
    And in the second proof, the reason aaa...a in base b is divisible by a is because aaa...a (base b) = a * b^(n-1) + a * b^(n-2) + a * b^(n-3) + ... + a * b^0 = a * (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + b^(n-3) + ... + b^0).
    Since a = b - 1, they are the same equation :)

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      No sh1t, Sherlock.

    • @novamc7945
      @novamc7945 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

      ​@@samueldeandrade8535 You must be pretty smart wow

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@novamc7945 thanks, but no. No one needs to be smart to NOT like obvious comments.

    • @novamc7945
      @novamc7945 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      ​ @samueldeandrade8535 That's a stupid argument. According to your analogy, videos that explain a topic at a fundamental level should simply NOT exist. Afterall, it's obvious. Plus, it's certainly not like there are people out there that don't understand the subject you're so profoundly good at!
      If you'd already inferred what the comment was suggesting, you could've simply ignored it and moved on. There was simply no need to leave a discrediting reply.
      Nothing like a good old TH-cam comment section argument.

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@novamc7945 "According to your analogy ..."
      Wtf are talking about? What analogy? I made no analogy ...

  • @mocliamtoh573
    @mocliamtoh573 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

    I like how "complicating" the initial problem leads to a much more intuitive understanding of the proof. (And the dig at Amazon)

  • @kullen2042
    @kullen2042 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    My first intuition when I heard "divisible by something" was to consider the whole situation modulo this something. There it also becomes quickly apparent, because modulo (b-1) we have:
    b ≡ 1 (mod b-1) and therefore
    b^n ≡ 1^n = 1 (mod b-1), hence
    b^n - 1 ≡ 0 (mod b-1),
    but the last equation is exactly synonymous to "(b^n - 1) is divisible by (b - 1)".
    Of course this than relates to the fact, that 1 is a zero of the polynomial (x^n - 1), because the calculation above is just evaluating this polynomial in the according ring of residual integers (Z/(b-1)Z).

    • @jameshart2622
      @jameshart2622 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nice one. Really clean. It does have the downside of not knowing the resulting alternate factor, though. Still a good proof, though.

    • @preetichandra7113
      @preetichandra7113 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Just got that answer too🤪🤪🤪

  • @nura8578
    @nura8578 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    I REALLY LOVE WHEN WE SWITCH NUMBER BASES AND IT BECOMES OBVIOUS
    IT IS MY FAVORITE GENRE OF MATH

  • @ShinySwalot
    @ShinySwalot 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1118

    instructions unclear, I picked "b" to be the big famous constant e and it didn't work :(

    • @Cruzz999
      @Cruzz999 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +108

      Similarly, I picked pi. Fairly sure that's not working either.

    • @spaceshipable
      @spaceshipable 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

      I think 1 has to divide into your "b". I imagine if you picked b = ½, you could say b ^ n - ¼ is divisible by b - ¼. (I picked ¼ because it divides into ½).
      Therefore it makes sense that b has to be an integer for the video's equation to work.
      p.s. this could all be wrong, I've not actually checked the maths

    • @adityaflashraj
      @adityaflashraj 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      No it definitely works

    • @oinkoink3669
      @oinkoink3669 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +124

      it only applies to integers. He should have said that

    • @katherinescheper1951
      @katherinescheper1951 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      I picked -1/4. Can you believe that didn't work?

  • @polygrum
    @polygrum 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    The "base b" insight is wonderful, but it really doesn't answer how you would decide to do that. For me it's much more natural to switch to mod b-1, where b^n - 1 = 1^n - 1 = 0 mod b-1, since when you have to prove that x is divisible by y it's often useful to switch to proving that x = 0 mod y.

    • @akaHarvesteR
      @akaHarvesteR 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Base B is just mod B with a carry 😊

    • @gideonk123
      @gideonk123 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But then when you need to divide by b-1 mod b-1, it would be like dividing by zero, or perhaps I didn’t understand you?

    • @JdeBP
      @JdeBP 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The base b approach is natural when one is in school and one hasn't done modular arithmetic yet, but one _has_ encountered things like how to test in base 10 for divisibility by 9.

    • @Pieter31
      @Pieter31 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@gideonk123 if a number is 0 mod b-1, that means its divisible by b-1

    • @quentind1924
      @quentind1924 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      A way to find it would’ve been if you tried b=10 at some point in your tests

  • @yoavshati
    @yoavshati 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +82

    If you use b-1=a you can rewrite the problem as (a+1)^n - 1 being divisible by a, and if you were to expand it you would get a lot of terms with some power of a, and then +1-1, which just cancels

    • @Subatomicfish
      @Subatomicfish 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I believe that coincides with how synthetic division works, which was how I went about thinking through the problem

    • @softy8088
      @softy8088 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I really like this one.

    • @Penrose707
      @Penrose707 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is how I went about it as well. Let F(b, n) = (b^(n) - 1) / (b - 1). Now evaluate at F(b + 1, n) = ((1 + b)^(n) - 1) / (b). Now expand the binomial and note that C(n ,n) b^0 = 1, which cancels the one in the numerator. Now we have a polynomial expression in terms of b multiplied by 1/b, which we can negate by subtracting one in all of our terms. Now evaluate this expression at b - 1 to show that F(b, n) = (b^(n) - 1) / (b - 1) = sum(k = 0, n - 1, C(n, k) * (b - 1)^(n-k-1))

  • @efhiii
    @efhiii 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    "I don't think anybody's ever used base 440 before"
    Hmm... 440 Hz is what A440 (Stuttgart pitch) tuning is based on.
    I suppose it's more of a unit conversion than base though.
    I'm sure someone's played 440 Hz on a bass before though, and maybe that would be bass 440.
    A0 = 27.5 Hz
    A1 = 55 Hz
    A2 = 110 Hz
    A3 = 220 Hz
    *A4 = 440 Hz*
    A5 = 880 Hz
    A6 = 1760 Hz
    A7 = 3520 Hz
    A8 = 7040 Hz

    • @BigDBrian
      @BigDBrian 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I'm sure the 440Hz playing bassist also had some sheets of paper:
      A0 = 1 m²
      A1 = 1/2 m²
      A2 = 1/4 m²
      A3 = 1/8 m²
      A4 = 1/16 m²
      ...

    • @musicat3330
      @musicat3330 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@BigDBrian Then if you multiply the pitch by the paper size, you get a very strange way to express kinematic viscosity:
      A4 × A4 = 440 Hz × 1/16 m² = 27.5 m²/s = 275 kilostokes (kSt)

    • @AlRoderick
      @AlRoderick 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A440 isn't a bass note, it's the very definition of mid-range.

    • @efhiii
      @efhiii 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@AlRoderick it's not a bass note, but that doesn't mean it can't be played on a bass.

  • @xHyperElectric
    @xHyperElectric 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +222

    I paused the video immediately after you said you picked 440, thought for a moment, decided on 17. I unpaused the video and the next sentence you said was someone else picked 17. I was reminded of Veritasium’s recent video on the human inability to create randomness.

    • @AkiSan0
      @AkiSan0 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      well. technically he didnt say to pick a "fully random" number, but just a number we like, thus reducing the numbers chosen by a LOT.

    • @Lombravia
      @Lombravia 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      17 is just a decently likable number.

    • @X1ma_
      @X1ma_ 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I picked 17, but only because it used to be my favourite football player's number when I was a kid, and now it's my favourite number xD

    • @sol_in.victus
      @sol_in.victus 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I picked 7 and i think there's something to it why is 7 a number people often pick

    • @JdeBP
      @JdeBP 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I have changed my strategy for picking random numbers under 100 since I watched that. 30 and 90 are preferred random numbers, now. But, of course, there's the question of how many other people in the world have thought the same. (-:

  • @Nolys-bk4kd
    @Nolys-bk4kd 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +78

    To be honest, the first thing I thought of were geometric sums ( [b^n-1]/[b-1] = 1 + b + b² + ... + b^[n-1] ). But that's an admittedly more convoluted way of proving that [b^n-1]/[b-1] is an integer than proving that 1 is a root of x^n-1

    • @prof.dr.jorgmeuthenne765
      @prof.dr.jorgmeuthenne765 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      same

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's probably the original proof of this fact.

    • @Schpeeedy
      @Schpeeedy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      well you can do your way without proving that for any a satisfying a polynomial f(x), (x-a) divides f(x). So I think its nicer

    • @TechToppers
      @TechToppers 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I mean you would have to show after dividing it out, the polynomial has integer coeffs? If rationals then, we can't guarantee?

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Schpeeedy exactly.

  • @helsing7423
    @helsing7423 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +160

    My b was 2. Yep, i was underwhelmed

    • @charstringetje
      @charstringetje 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      That's odd

    • @Centauris-ty8wn
      @Centauris-ty8wn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I think it’s prime time to retry with another number.

    • @nathangamble125
      @nathangamble125 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@charstringetje No, 2 is definitely even.

    • @helsing7423
      @helsing7423 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@Centauris-ty8wn 2 is my favourite number. I would never forsake it.

    • @kilroy1964
      @kilroy1964 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@helsing7423Two forever!

  • @Zerotan
    @Zerotan 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    I thought of the cubes from grade school.
    Your n-hypercube can be decomposed into a bunch of sticks and slabs and cubes and hypercubes that have (b-1) side lengths.... and.... 1, but you have conveniently subtracted that out.

    • @estherstreet4582
      @estherstreet4582 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yeah, I found it fairly easy to visualise a proof for n=2 and n=3 just by chopping up shapes, but I wasn't sure how to visualise n=4 lmao

    • @jacovisscher
      @jacovisscher 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      My thoughts exactly! Sad it wasn't original, happy people think in hypercubes!

    • @UnCavi
      @UnCavi 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yes, this is my favorite proof. You can also mix it with a bit of induction to make it simpler: b^n -1 is the volume of a n-cube with side lenght b, which has a small (n-cube)-shaped hole with side length 1 at one of its corners. Take a slice off of it from the top: you’re left with a n-parallelepid with one side lenght (b-1) and all other sides b, and the extra slice you cut off. You can “flat” this extra slice by looking at it from the front, suppressing the dimension along its side of lenght 1. Then, you’ve got the same shape as you started with, but which lives in 1 dimension lower: a (n-1)-cube with a unit corner missing. Repeat n times and you get all shapes with at least a side lenght of (b-1)

  • @Cmanorange
    @Cmanorange 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    i love the orange circle in the top right, brings the whole thing together

  • @threesixtydegreeorbits2047
    @threesixtydegreeorbits2047 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +90

    The base change is sooo poggers

    • @notnilc2107
      @notnilc2107 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      very skibidi indeed.

    • @movieidiots5542
      @movieidiots5542 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Spoiler alert!

  • @pitust
    @pitust 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I tried proving this myself without watching the rest of the video, and I made something like:
    1. Base case: for n=1, b^n-1 is clearly divisible by b-1 (because they are equal)
    2. Inductive case: Let's say b^n-1 is some x(b-1) + 1. Then: b^(n+1)-1 = b (b^n) - 1 = b(x(b-1)+1)-1 = bx(b-1) + b - 1 = bx(b-1) + 1(b-1) = (bx+1)(b-1) which is also divisible by b-1. QED

  • @Huntracony
    @Huntracony 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My mind was blown and I immediately understood when you said to use the base of the number, wonderful proof.
    I love the bigger videos with locations and large production values, but I love these simple "Here's a cool math(s) thing!" videos too, and I'm glad you're doing both.

  • @123MondayTuesday
    @123MondayTuesday 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The naughty orange dot in the top right corner bugged me

  • @skyforger8102
    @skyforger8102 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I Love the shade thrown at Amazon!

  • @kenhaley4
    @kenhaley4 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very nice! I love these kinds of insights. I'll never forget this little gem now.

  • @Leandro-vy7nj
    @Leandro-vy7nj 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I am also very stunned by the implications this could have on quickly determining if a number is divisible by another specific number. Powerful stuff

  • @MrCheeze
    @MrCheeze 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Not only is the second proof easy to follow, it also immediately tells you what the other factor is and why (1, b+1, b^2+b+1, etc, depending on n)

    • @raresaturn
      @raresaturn 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What is the second proof?

    • @jacksonpercy8044
      @jacksonpercy8044 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The base B proof.
      Also I wasn't expecting to see MrCheese while scrolling through the comments. Neat.

  • @hoblesy
    @hoblesy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I think a pretty intuitive way of thinking about it is geometrically,
    If you make a b X b square (or cube or whatever) it can be seen to be a load of sets of (b - 1). In the case of a square b rows of b - 1 and one extra column of b - 1

    • @sumner1107
      @sumner1107 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is how I visualized it as well

    • @JavedAlam-ce4mu
      @JavedAlam-ce4mu 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Doesn't the extra column have b elements? E.g if b = 4 and we square it:
      Say these asterisks represent b, so here is a 4x4 grid:
      * * * *
      * * * *
      * * * *
      * * * *
      I see b (4) rows of b-1(3)
      * * *
      * * *
      * * *
      * * *
      But this remaining extra column you refer to has b, not b-1 elements
      *
      *
      *
      *
      I just realised why this makes sense - because we are dividing by (b^n) - 1, so if you subtract this extra one off, then yes it is divisible by (b - 1)
      *
      *
      *
      But the way you described it was incorrect and confusing for me lol.

    • @hoblesy
      @hoblesy 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JavedAlam-ce4mu sorry if I was unclear but yes we ended up at the same solution, if b = 4, you end up with: b rows of b - 1 (4 rows of 3) and one extra column of b - 1 (3)
      ###|
      ###|#
      ###|#
      ###|#

    • @sumner1107
      @sumner1107 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JavedAlam-ce4mu if you remove the corner square then yeah, youll have a square of (b-1)^2 plus 2(b-1) sides

  • @Takame9
    @Takame9 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I asked myself this exact questions a few years ago during a calm shift, and came up with 3 solutions, two of them being those you present (but I cannot remember the third)! My favourite one was using base b. Love those kind of reflections, great video

  • @heighRick
    @heighRick 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Matt releasing the video I didn't think I needed today. Thanks, helps a lot!

  • @bighammer3464
    @bighammer3464 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Pick any number but irrationals don’t work. He really Mat Parkered those instructions.

  • @nattyzepko167
    @nattyzepko167 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That is GENIOUS!
    The base transformation is just so simple, I love it so much! I'm going to show everyone I know

  • @mthielssalvo
    @mthielssalvo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Brilliant video - the first proof came to mind immediately but the second one blew me away! Just pre-ordered the book because trig is my favorite, and also because the UK cover is much better than the US cover. (That being said I do hope there's significant respect paid to our friend the unit circle!)

  • @Patagonicus42
    @Patagonicus42 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I picked b=1. I feel like "a number" was not specific enough. Or is 0 divisible by 0? 🤔

    • @galoomba5559
      @galoomba5559 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Sure 0 is divisible by 0, 0 = k*0 for some k

    • @chemicalbrother5743
      @chemicalbrother5743 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@galoomba5559 That would make 0 / 0 = k. Which is not a unique value, so u can't divide 0 by 0.

    • @mudkip_074
      @mudkip_074 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Zero is indeed divisible by zero. Since there exists a whole number k such that kx0=0 (this is true for all k, but we can take k=0 as an example, 0x0=0). Generally speaking "a is divisible by b" and "a is a multiple of b" are the same statement. This trips a lot of people up because there's no answer to "zero divided by zero", which sounds like it should mean the same thing, but it doesn't.

    • @Patagonicus42
      @Patagonicus42 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mudkip_074 Ah, right, hadn't considered that you can define divisibility by multiplication

    • @Mmmm1ch43l
      @Mmmm1ch43l 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@chemicalbrother5743 unfortunately, the mathematical definition of "a is divisible by b" is in general not the same as "you can divide b by a". this is because the concept of divisibility is very useful even in situations where you don't have a concept of division at all. in general, "a divides b" is defined as "there's some k such that k*a=b", which is obviously satisfied for 0 and 0, because 0*k=0 for all k.

  • @cosumel
    @cosumel 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I was obsessed with the Mersenne series in middle school. I discovered early that 2^(2n)-1 was divisible by 2^2-1 and 2^(3n)-1 was divisible by 2^3-1. That’s how i checked my work.

  • @frenchertoast
    @frenchertoast 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like it when Matt does a video on a topic I fully understand, it makes me feel much smarter than I actually am.

  • @dannysharpe6119
    @dannysharpe6119 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great work Jess! I’ve just run my first marathon and looking for inspiration for what to do next. I think you’ve inspired me to have another go at running a sub 45 minute 10k. I was 12 seconds short at last year’s Run Norwich… so have my goal for this September! 🤞

    • @vincentlevarrick6557
      @vincentlevarrick6557 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This. *This* is my favourite comment on a maths video. 😁

  • @kpaasial
    @kpaasial 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I like big exponents and I can not lie.

  • @twojuiceman
    @twojuiceman 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    If I remember correctly, putting maths in an unusual context because it tells you something about how the formula was derived, was exactly the sort of thing you were arguing _against_ in your tau vs pi smackdown with Steve Mould lol.
    I'd love to see a tau vs pi rematch with the two of you

  • @adityavardhanjain
    @adityavardhanjain 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This video is so cool. Need more of such short fun videos.

  • @nickkirkpatrick396
    @nickkirkpatrick396 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This my friends, is a classic old school standup maths. Well done, Matt!

  • @ottertvmtg6229
    @ottertvmtg6229 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    i picked b=900.1
    it wasnt an integer, but it still worked

    • @enderyu
      @enderyu 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      No it doesn't work?

    • @kilroy1964
      @kilroy1964 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nope, it doesn't.
      I think b has to be a natural number greater than 1.

    • @nathangamble125
      @nathangamble125 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, it does not still work.
      (900.1^2-1)/899.1 = 901.1.
      If it works the end result will be an integer.

  • @9darkspells
    @9darkspells 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the revelatory feeling of understanding I got out of this was so incredibly unique. Exactly the feeling that I always am seeking when working in math or programming.

  • @StarchedPie
    @StarchedPie 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There is also a simple way to prove this by induction, for increasing n. (It's going to sound complicated in text but with pictures it's obvious)
    For n = 2, imagine the it as a square grid, now take one off the corner, now you have a rectangle of b*(b-1) plus a line of b-1, which are both divisible by b-1.
    For n = 3, imagine a cube, taking one off the corner leaves you with the same n = 2 square case on one face, plus a block of (b^2)*(b-1), this block is also divisible by b-1.
    This can be extended to arbitrary n, where the 'block' will always be (b^(n-1))*(b-1), divisible by b-1.

  • @tszhin814
    @tszhin814 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am so glad I stayed through this video. I was like yeah yeah yeah roots and stuff, then BAM! That was MAGNIFICENT❤

  • @robinsparrow1618
    @robinsparrow1618 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    love the jab at amazon right at the end!

  • @keyem4504
    @keyem4504 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That's a great technique. Maybe it'll come handy for other stuff as well. Loving it.

  • @highlandyeoman
    @highlandyeoman 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome video Matt! I found it was easiest to build intuition for this problem by visualizing the n = 2 and n = 3 cases. If we draw a b x b grid and remove the top right corner, it's pretty easy to see that the remaining cells are a b-1 x b-1 square starting in the bottom left, a b-1 row at the top, and a b-1 column on the right. And the 3-d version just scales each of these pieces up - there's a b-1 x b-1 x b-1 cube, 3 b-1 x b-1 squares, and some b-1 columns and rows.
    (that said, I'm pretty sure this is entirely analogous to your base-b approach)

  • @Akolyx
    @Akolyx 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    OK, I was surprised by the title, but the proof! That's very cool! I don't know any other example of using every number as a base for solving a problem, so that makes it much cooler. Might want to try giving this as an exercise in understanding the bases.

  • @tttITA10
    @tttITA10 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Both of these proofs are so infuriatingly simple, I love it.

  • @thentoxd
    @thentoxd 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I literally tried this problem yesterday from the Stanford Maths Problem book, and the next day BANG a video from the man himself.

  • @joeeeee8738
    @joeeeee8738 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Finally background noise while talking and not uncomfortable silence Matt !!

  • @chiproush7480
    @chiproush7480 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    love the switch to base b. Elegant! Also, please tell us about the cool shirt you're wearing. There's gotta be some maths going on there, yes?

  • @LeeSmith-cf1vo
    @LeeSmith-cf1vo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love how intuitive the 2nd proof is (as long as you understand bases)

  • @namkromh6381
    @namkromh6381 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love this. As soon as I heard base B, I knew where it was all going. Lovely

  • @felixmerz6229
    @felixmerz6229 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Woah, that's such a cool proof. So simple and approachable.

  • @NeoJackBauer
    @NeoJackBauer 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love this!

  • @bigjukebox3370
    @bigjukebox3370 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what a neat way to look at the problem!

  • @_notch
    @_notch 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Oh wow, that second proof is incredible

  • @ktkrelaxedscience
    @ktkrelaxedscience 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome. 😃 Sharing it at once. 👍

  • @BrettDalton
    @BrettDalton 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love it... That is beyond elegant

  • @dfs-comedy
    @dfs-comedy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow. That is so beautiful!

  • @azrobbins01
    @azrobbins01 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like it! Makes total sense when you see what is going on!

  • @Wielorybkek
    @Wielorybkek 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    wow, really cool proof! my first thought was that obviously it comes from how polynomials work but then the "base b" proof was so much nicer and made more intuitive sense

  • @robertdarcy6210
    @robertdarcy6210 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Even better, (x^n - y^n) is divisible by x-y

  • @androidlogin3065
    @androidlogin3065 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very beautifull proof, easy to do and obvious proof, just what i like the most.
    But not so easy to think on it, without any external help.

  • @LukeNAndo
    @LukeNAndo 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow I love that! The initial proof confirms to me that it works, but the second proof shows me how it works!

  • @saavyk1264
    @saavyk1264 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That second method was just beautiful. Beautiful. Wow.

  • @pranaypallavtripathi2460
    @pranaypallavtripathi2460 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Loved the second proof 👍

  • @agargamer6759
    @agargamer6759 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love a short simple video like this that still contains a nice "aha" moment!

  • @TomLeg
    @TomLeg 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent!

  • @amethystklintberg7436
    @amethystklintberg7436 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    YEEEESSSS!!! Did you overhear my meeting with my academic supervisor a few months ago? This is so validating! I told him it’s so easy to see divisibility when you write the Mersenne number (2^mn)-1 in binary and then just look at the number! You can see so much by just looking at it! (The string of mn 1s is divisible by a string of n 1s, so the original is divisible by the smaller Mersenne number 2^n-1, and this is why a Mersenne number with a composite power can never be prime.) His reaction was that the difference of powers formula is an easier proof, and my immediate reaction was just 👀
    Big lesson for me: translate concepts into what’s most familiar to my audience! And, in the academic community, that means translating my visuals into familiar formulas!

  • @mostshenanigans
    @mostshenanigans 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I learned this in my number theory class, do I remember the proof without watching the video? No!

  • @seizan88
    @seizan88 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I love this 😂❤ it makes me feel smart despite not doing anything, really

  • @uforob5601
    @uforob5601 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video!

  • @markwinfield1679
    @markwinfield1679 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    loved this

  • @sergiohernandezdiaz6032
    @sergiohernandezdiaz6032 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ordered my copy of the book!

  • @fredrikkirkemo2087
    @fredrikkirkemo2087 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I picked b = 10. I was thinking "yeah, obviously, but curious that ut should be the case for all other numbers". I didn't make the leap to think in other number systems. Nice! I liked that alot.
    Great video, as always.

  • @artemisSystem
    @artemisSystem 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In the introductory logic course at my university, an exercise in the book is to prove 6^n-1 is divisible by 5, by induction on n. I discussed it with some other students and we realized it works for any base

  • @valinhorn42
    @valinhorn42 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That's a pretty neat way to solve it, certainly more intuitive than what I did.
    I started with b^2 - 1 = (b+1)(b-1) as you mentioned, then looked at what happened as n grows, and how you could factor that number in terms of b-1:
    b^3 - 1 = b^2(b-1) + b^2 - 1
    Would you look at that. One of the terms has b-1 as a factor, and we've already proved that b^2 - 1 is divisible by b-1.
    b^4 - 1 = b^3(b-1) + b^3 - 1
    Same thing here, except this time the term on the right is b^3 - 1, which we proved in the previous step is divisible by b-1.
    This works recursively for any natural n.
    Working back to find a lower bound for n:
    b^1 - 1 = b - 1, clearly divisible by b-1.
    b^0 - 1 = 1 - 1 = 0, which is (b-1)*0.
    For negative n, this breaks down as the exponent just keeps growing towards negative infinity.
    For non-integer n, this also doesn't work because you never hit an initial condition like the n=0 case.
    So generally, for any real b and any non-negative integer n: b^n - 1 = b^(n-1)(b-1) + b(n-1)-1

  • @krystofkarban8003
    @krystofkarban8003 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The second proof made me smile ❤

  • @Adamdun11
    @Adamdun11 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A neat mental visualisation for this I always come back to for this (which is basically just the (b - 1)(b + 1) solution) is I imagine a grid of n x n dots (I’ve used the neodymium magnetic balls), remove the top row and append it as a new column. You should have a grid of (n - 1) x (n + 1) and one ball overhanging. This shows that for any n^2 - 1 the value is technically divisible by both (n - 1) as Matt showed, but ALSO (n + 1). Again, this is just the original proof but I always think of it as a nice, practical representation of it :)

  • @machevellian79
    @machevellian79 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    that is a fantastic proof, thank you!

  • @whdaffer1
    @whdaffer1 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brilliant!

  • @ggb3147
    @ggb3147 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh boy! This is so ellegant :)

  • @andrewdenne6943
    @andrewdenne6943 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    another interseting way you can prove it (It might be the same method and I just got confused) is to start with
    a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b
    then change the start to a 1
    1+a^1+a^2+...+a^b=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b
    then move it over and factorise
    (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))a=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b-1
    (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))a-1(a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))=a^b-1
    (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))(a-1)=a^b-1
    a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1)=(a^b-1)/(a-1)
    you get the original equation the cool thing about doing it this way is you can also do if you start with
    a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)=a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)
    and do the same process
    1+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)=a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)
    (a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))a^c=a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)-1
    (a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))a^c-(a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+abc-c)=a^(bc)-1
    (a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))(a^(c)-1)=a^(bc)-1
    a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c)=(a^(bc)-1)/(a^(c)-1)

  • @driptcg
    @driptcg 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really cool!

  • @chigginheadD
    @chigginheadD 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    two other ways of thinking about it that don't require different bases:
    1. synthetic division/polynomial division: if we write out our problem as a synthetic division problem it will always be a 1 followed by n 0s followed by -1, then our root is 1. Drop the first 1, multiply add to the next value and on and on until we get to the end (basic synthetic division obviously), because we are never multiplying by anything but the mutliplicative identity or adding anything but the additive identity, when we finally add the -1, we get a remainder of 0, proving that 1 is a root and (b-1) is a factor.
    2.if we take the quotient of that synthetic division and think about the process in reverse, we are multiplying some n-degree polynomial with no skipped terms with only coefficients of 1 (e.g. b^7 + b^6 + b^5 + b^4 + b^3 + b^2 + b + 1) by (b-1), which we can re-frame as (b^1 - b^0), then through distribution we get b^1(b^n + b^[n-1] +...+ 1) -1*b^0((b^n + b^[n-1] +...+ 1), then by distributing again and through our exponent rules, every term multiplied by b^1 will have it's degree raised by 1, (b^n + b^[n-1] +...+ 1) -> (b^[n+1] + b^n +...+ b^1) , and every term of the other part will become negative, (b^n + b^[n-1] +...+ 1) -> (-b^n - b^[n-1] -...- 1), those two resultant polynomials' values all obviously cancel out, b^n - b^n = 0 and so on, except for b^[n+1] and -1. Therefore (b-1) must always be a factor of (b^n - 1)

  • @manfrombc5162
    @manfrombc5162 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This was one of my favorite quirks of math that I figured out as a kid.

  • @chirag1764
    @chirag1764 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So cool!!

  • @filips2082
    @filips2082 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ok, so how did he know I'll choose seventeen? That's more interesting to me now than rest of the video tbh (ofc as always - great quality and a lot of fun absorbed from watching this!)

  • @mmseng2
    @mmseng2 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Matt, for your next video, please present a mathematical proof that explains why the Stand-up Maths theme song is the best on youtube.

  • @palpatinewasright
    @palpatinewasright 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel so pleased I worked this out while the video was running! I paused the video as requested, and tried this with b=10, saw lots of 99999s and had to leap from the bathtub and run down the street shouting "BASES! BASES! BASES!!"

  • @dbrunnermusic
    @dbrunnermusic 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's a geometric proof too. It's hard to describe in words because it's geometric, but I'll give it a go.
    If it sounds complex in the general case, picture it with n=3.
    Let's start by defining a "nibbled hypercube". Start with an n-dimensional hyper-cube with side length b. Take a little bite out of one corner - a hyper-cube with side length 1. The volume of this is just the volume of the original cube, minus the volume of the nibble, i.e. b^n - 1.
    Now, on a face which touches the nibbled bit, shave off a width 1 slice of the hyper-cube. Since it has width 1, the volume of this slice is the same as the (n-1)-dimensional volume of the "face" of the slice. And that face is an (n-1) dimensional nibbled hypercube. Its volume is b^(n-1) - 1, and by our inductive hypothesis, that is divisible by b-1.
    Having shaved a width-1 slice off our original nibbled cube, what we're left with is a hyper-rectangle. The side perpendicular to the slice has length b-1, so the volume of this is also divisible by b-1.
    Since we've shown that an n-dimensional nibbled hypercube can be broken into a two shapes whose volumes are both divisible by 1, we know that the it's total volume, i.e. b^n 1, is divisible by n-1.

    • @dbrunnermusic
      @dbrunnermusic 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      PS I didn't start by thinking in n-dimensions, I'm not a genius! I started in 2-d, then thought about 3-d, and fortunately that was enough to see how the generalisation would work :)

  • @bobthegiraffemonkey
    @bobthegiraffemonkey 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a speedcuber and having solved 4d and 5d cubes, i very quickly understood it geometrically. Very closely related to the second proof. Helped that i picked 6 which is small and easy to visualise.

  • @MitchBurns
    @MitchBurns 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I literally figured this out very recently when trying to fall asleep at night. Figuring out things like this is my version of counting sheep.

  • @RexxSchneider
    @RexxSchneider 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Surely if you consider b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1, and multiply it by (b-1), you get (b^n + b^(n-1) + ... + b^3 + b^2 + b) - (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1).
    It should be pretty clear that the expression collapses to b^n - 1 since all the other terms are both added and subtracted.
    So (b-1)(b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1) = b^n - 1.
    A rather trivial result, IMHO.

  • @can.of.beans101
    @can.of.beans101 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this is a great example of the difference between the "hammer and chisel" and Grothendieck's "rising sea" method for advanced maths problem solving!! so much so that I wonder whether that is what you were going for and omited mentioning the names on purpose :3