On personal note to the creator of the video. If you would like the same setup but to have a slightly more convenient workflow and hotter water, consider La Pavoni Europiccola. It's old school. But believe it or not it is like flair. Just better. The only thing which you will not have is temperature control. You can set up the temp but it is more like a do it once and forget setup. But. The flair is not capable of providing water hot enough for light roast. Period. Even if you pre-heat all the elements. La Pavoni also has the benefit of forever existing company with parts you can buy all over the world. It has it's quirks. Lot's of them. It's like a wild horse of espresso machines. Not child friendly. Super easy to clean and service.
@@CabeensCoffeeCorner I was thinking about buying flair 58. But La Pavoni won. It's proven to work. You can buy every single part. It is relatively cheap. For cheaper models you can buy pressure profiling kits, both analog and digital. I think that from all the machines out there actually La Pavoni Europiccola is the competitor of the flair 58. Not robot or alike. It would be great if someone who was using both machines for a long time would do a real deep dive comparison of old-school and ultra modern design. For me the final nail in the coffin (pun intended :D) was the fact that I can set up La Pavoni with a smart plug. Fill it with water in the evening. And in the morning 25 minutes after it is switched on by the smart plug, I get up and everything is hot and ready to roll.
@@CabeensCoffeeCorner the 58 is a great machine, but the LPs get some amazing results from a smaller basket, its definately worth a look, reach out to me as i can assist with some ideas re the LPs
The la Pavoni has inexpensive parts because it’s a piece of junk 😂 spend 1 day in the Pavoni group and see how many people struggle with quality issues. They’re beautiful pieces of machinery but that’s about it. Temp control is pretty bad and you have to really manage that. Pull maybe 2 shots and then your espresso suffers. The 58 has WAY more potential and addresses these variables. You can pull as many shots as you want as long as your kettle heats up fast enough. The 58 is so simple and that’s what will have it last long too. Less moving parts. Also, 25 mins to heat up? The flair is faster by far.
Hi Nathan, thank you for the review! Try to enter the weight of the grounds by using the scale, it's a bit more convenient. Just connect to the scale, weigh the grounds and you'll see the weight in the grey box. Just press "set" then. Regarding the cost, it really depends on how you look at it. If you consider, that for the price of the Flair+the SEP you can make shots equal to high end machines, and you can do this consistently, it puts things into a bit different perspecitve. We're really glad you liked it! Cheers, Miklós
Thanks Miklos! I’ve weight the grounds using the scale before it’s convenient for the sep but inconvenient for my work flow. I scoop my beans from a bean storage container. Place them into a little tray that came with my Fellow brewer, and I typically weight everything with my pearls. Basically my weighing tray is too large for the cinco! Give it a few more months and my workflow will change when my niche and new espresso machine comes in! Definitely very happy with the SEP and I’m looking forward to putting it on my robot in a few weeks!
@@CabeensCoffeeCorner incorrect it should be for everyone, but the price is definately not, this device is a true game changer for consistency in coffee period
On personal note to the creator of the video. If you would like the same setup but to have a slightly more convenient workflow and hotter water, consider La Pavoni Europiccola. It's old school. But believe it or not it is like flair. Just better. The only thing which you will not have is temperature control. You can set up the temp but it is more like a do it once and forget setup. But. The flair is not capable of providing water hot enough for light roast. Period. Even if you pre-heat all the elements. La Pavoni also has the benefit of forever existing company with parts you can buy all over the world. It has it's quirks. Lot's of them. It's like a wild horse of espresso machines. Not child friendly. Super easy to clean and service.
I am hoping that the flair 58 will fix that problem. I agree it doesn’t got hot enough but at least it’s passable
@@CabeensCoffeeCorner I was thinking about buying flair 58. But La Pavoni won. It's proven to work. You can buy every single part. It is relatively cheap. For cheaper models you can buy pressure profiling kits, both analog and digital. I think that from all the machines out there actually La Pavoni Europiccola is the competitor of the flair 58. Not robot or alike. It would be great if someone who was using both machines for a long time would do a real deep dive comparison of old-school and ultra modern design. For me the final nail in the coffin (pun intended :D) was the fact that I can set up La Pavoni with a smart plug. Fill it with water in the evening. And in the morning 25 minutes after it is switched on by the smart plug, I get up and everything is hot and ready to roll.
@@CabeensCoffeeCorner the 58 is a great machine, but the LPs get some amazing results from a smaller basket, its definately worth a look, reach out to me as i can assist with some ideas re the LPs
The la Pavoni has inexpensive parts because it’s a piece of junk 😂 spend 1 day in the Pavoni group and see how many people struggle with quality issues. They’re beautiful pieces of machinery but that’s about it. Temp control is pretty bad and you have to really manage that. Pull maybe 2 shots and then your espresso suffers. The 58 has WAY more potential and addresses these variables. You can pull as many shots as you want as long as your kettle heats up fast enough. The 58 is so simple and that’s what will have it last long too. Less moving parts. Also, 25 mins to heat up? The flair is faster by far.
Thanks for the review! Out of curiosity, will the transducer connect to the Pressure Pro CirrusSense app as well?
It connects not sure if it works though
Hi Nathan,
thank you for the review! Try to enter the weight of the grounds by using the scale, it's a bit more convenient. Just connect to the scale, weigh the grounds and you'll see the weight in the grey box. Just press "set" then. Regarding the cost, it really depends on how you look at it. If you consider, that for the price of the Flair+the SEP you can make shots equal to high end machines, and you can do this consistently, it puts things into a bit different perspecitve.
We're really glad you liked it!
Cheers,
Miklós
Thanks Miklos! I’ve weight the grounds using the scale before it’s convenient for the sep but inconvenient for my work flow. I scoop my beans from a bean storage container. Place them into a little tray that came with my Fellow brewer, and I typically weight everything with my pearls. Basically my weighing tray is too large for the cinco! Give it a few more months and my workflow will change when my niche and new espresso machine comes in! Definitely very happy with the SEP and I’m looking forward to putting it on my robot in a few weeks!
Pretty cool!
Yes it is!
I could not make out what the name of the scale you recommended @ $250-Cinco pepside scale?????
Cinco/Pyxis. Cinco was a limited run and the Pyxis is what it currently sold. Color change is the main thing
With the SEP can you share your profiles with other SEP users, like you can with a Decent?
Yes, you can send any shot pull profile via email or txt message from your mobile device.
I haven’t played around with it much by yes texting an email should work
What mug is that?
One of my favorites fellowproducts.com/products/joey-mugs?rfsn=4416312.c74721d&.c74721d
that price is silly..
I think it’s justifiable but not for everyone
pass.
It’s not for everyone
@@CabeensCoffeeCorner incorrect it should be for everyone, but the price is definately not, this device is a true game changer for consistency in coffee period
@@leighp03 😂😂😂 what a silly thing to say
$1,100! Uh, no.
It definitely pulls some great shots though. That’s also relatively cheap when compared to other machines that are capable of pressure profiling
@@CabeensCoffeeCorner Uh, no.