I think the pipe instrument might be a chalumeau but it’s hard to see in the lighting. The “lights” are his often featured Moog Modular synthesizer which uses patch cables to connect various sound producing and modifying modules together. It’s quite a showpiece as well as being able to produce very unique sounds.
I’ve always thought many of Zimmer’s melodies seem almost improvisatory, but tend to go where the ear wants them to, it’s clever. His success is in how he creates emotion with his music without much intricacy.
Nigel Westlake is an Australian composer: I've never seen some of the films which he's scored but love the music - e.g. "Antarctica" - Penguin Dance. I feel it creates an expansive feeling, melody & interesting orchestration - while the Dune stuff could be any old video game to my ears.
Interesting vid and presentation as always, thanks ... and please do ask the question!! 😀 Hmmm ... is film music not just not an array of background sound textures to enhance something that's going on on screen? Does that make it a coherent musical argument? Hmmm ... please discuss! Cheers all - have a good weekend!😄
@myouatt5987 Thank you for your comment! It's a very complex and involved topic this one. I'm currently analysing Wagner's Tristan & Isolde (not a film score but aesthetically one could argue that the history of film music is hugely indebted to it) in which every sentence and every idea is somehow being portrayed and 'deepened' by the musical fabric that underpins the drama. It also happens to be an astonishingly coherent musical work. Nowadays, film scores tend not to be as complex as this (although John Williams's scores and Howard Shaw's music for 'The Lord of the Rings' are all pretty leitmotivic). Hans Zimmer's scores are much less complex: usually lots of drones and heavily saturated monodic melodies that seem heavily indebted to other cultures. They are certainly potent in relation to the films they accompany (Dunkirk, in particular, seemed a very strong score to me) but you're right that, without the visual component, they seem a little thin as music on its own
@@themusicprofessor Thank you for replying and your view ... very honestly appreciated! I think I might need to do some more film watching! Well, that'd be something for a Bank Holiday weekend! Cheers/great stuff - thank you.😀
@@themusicprofessorit's an interesting question how much the music feeds off the film's images and story, and the film off the music. Hearing the music on its own can often feel a bit "thin", unless you know the accompanying film really well. But it's always been like that - Wagner's operas make a lot more sense as operas than when excerpted as concert performances, and I have the same feeling about The Rite of Spring; far better as a ballet. Which doesn't stop them from being pivotal influential pieces of music. I'm not sure how unusual they are as film scores. Many Hollywood films are either monothematic, or written as a series of leitmoteifs, to the extent that it has become hard to imagine any other form of music score (think Dr Zhivago for example). But another advantage that film gives is that there is no overarching requirement for form that you see in pure concert music. The scene it underscores provides the story, and all the music has to do is mirror that. Similarly, the music is just as long as the film requires - no more, no less; the film means that it is allowed to be incomplete
I think Zimmer said in an interview that Dune soundtrack was much closer to sound design than to composing music tracks. Apparently that was intentional.
I can’t see the horn instrument well enough on my iphone. Could it be a type of aerophone? I actually want to get one so I can record woodwinds, and horns with actual instrument voices.
It's 100% mimed. You can tell especially from the 'singer' whose phrase endings don't match the sound and the visual (see at 0:40 on the original video), and who sometimes 'sings' away from the microphone... And of course you can tell from the forced emoting of everybody, e.g. the cellist and Zimmer himself. He looks so ridiculous trying to channel his Keith Richards side on this electronic guitar or whatever. I am sure that I could come up with a piece like this and I am no composer. It's empty of Music. And how many notes are there? Where's John Williams? Ennio Morricone? Lalo Schifrin? We have reached the bottom. Let's hope it's going to go back up now...
Interesting analysis, brings more depth to Dune's soundtrack... which i didn't like. (btw i think the weird tube instrument is a wind controller) I mean sure i vibed with it while watching the movie, it goes along well with the movie, serves as a good support. BUT i couldn't sing or whistle or even remember a passage even if i wanted to, except that one woman screaming in the Lisan al-Gaib theme (the first three notes at least) and maybe the bagpipe part (also the first three notes, is there a pattern here ?) And the throat singing, that was hell of a good idea. Other than that i found it forgettable. I kinda hate that because for me the music is the way i fully jump in a film, i'm often brought to classics by listening to their musics first, ; want to be able to at least remember it. Damn, i was so disappointed to see they had ditched 1984 Dune's opening theme, i feel they *may* have vaguely referenced for a few bars it in the Stillsuit soundtrack but what a bummer...
Hans Zimmer is great! He is among the best movie music composers. Bernard Hermann, John Williams, Nino Rota, Erich Korngold, Henry Mancini. Thank you for another great video. Your energy and enthusiasm with all the information makes for the best Saturday afternoon entertainment on a dark, rainy day. Thank you!
Enjoyed your analysis, very interesting, as I'm not very 'literate' musically. However, I don't like most contemporary film music as 'stand-alone" music, with some exceptions - John Barry, Nigel Westlake in the past 25-30 years - as well as some real music composed circa the 40's & 50's. To me, most film music sounds thin - formulaic & derivative - despite the "thick" lavish reproduction.
Yes, I largely agree with you. There are some striking exceptions but many films have formulaic and derivative soundtracks. I agree with you about John Barry. Other favourites of mine are Max Steiner, Bernard Herrmann, Michel Legrand, John Williams, Ennio Morricone, Joe Hisaishi, Jonny Greenwood and Mica Levi.
I find Hans Zimmer's scores unbearably overblown and vapid. To me just a bit of solo voice, occasional traditional percussion and a bit of a drone now and again would have been so much more effective than this empty bombast. Thanks for revealing the musical content!
I don't believe they are miming the music, it would make sense that the live session is very visual because the soundtrack itself goes hand in hand with the visuals of the film, they are symbiotic.
Hi! Just yesterday I watched the mentioned movie. To ber frank what I think in general is that Zimmers' music is very poor and ugly. I also hate the "spectacularization" in live concerts where he mimimc a rock-star urrounded by scantily naked women. very sad.
No personal offense intended, but I'm not gonna lie: this channel was more intellectually stimulating when it didn't have cliched reaction videos with the typical shocked face plastered in the thumbnail. I'm not sure what audience you're trying to attract with that, but the phrase "lowest common denominator" springs to mind - which is going to be a tough sell for a channel with classical music as its main forte. I won't watch this video, as I don't wish to support that type of pandering.
I've watched virtually all of your videos, even the 1st in your recent "Reaction" trilogy. I'm almost certain it has some interesting information, but as I said: there are certain subgenres of TH-cam videos which some find trite, hackneyed and view-centric. As a fan of your pre-Reaction-Video content, it's quite disheartening to see a great channel take it's first tentative steps down this path. I understand the need for some clicks, and the need to evolve - I wouldn't begrudge Beethoven his bagatelles! Lord knows he needed the money. 😊@@themusicprofessor
@@harpsitardo We don't plan to purely release reaction content now. Fair enough if you don't like this genre, but I'd like to think that we still manage to make them informative and entertaining. Thank you for watching our channel in general.
No offense intended but I'm not sure you watched the same video I did. He expressed his own views and reactions, not some rehearsed cliches. I'm not a fan of the attitude that classical/concert music channels should be hostile to popular culture or musically untrained amateurs. I mean, you're welcome to cultivate an elite audience if that's your preference but to suggest that all classical musicians should be this way is quite rude.
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The dude with the pipe is Pedro Eustache who built a contrabass duduk for this film, so that's probably it.
There's a TH-cam video about this that's worth a watch: "How 'Dune' Composer Hans Zimmer Created the Oscar-Winning Score | Vanity Fair"
Oh wow- I didn’t think of that. Thats awesome!
Charismatic commentary, also! Thank you for the little pearls (Phyrygian mode, Teutonic phrases) that's new info for me. Great stuff
I think the pipe instrument might be a chalumeau but it’s hard to see in the lighting. The “lights” are his often featured Moog Modular synthesizer which uses patch cables to connect various sound producing and modifying modules together. It’s quite a showpiece as well as being able to produce very unique sounds.
I have nothing for this kind of production, but I always love to hear you talk about music. ☺️
I’ve always thought many of Zimmer’s melodies seem almost improvisatory, but tend to go where the ear wants them to, it’s clever. His success is in how he creates emotion with his music without much intricacy.
How intriguing...
Nigel Westlake is an Australian composer: I've never seen some of the films which he's scored but love the music - e.g. "Antarctica" - Penguin Dance. I feel it creates an expansive feeling, melody & interesting orchestration - while the Dune stuff could be any old video game to my ears.
I will look out for him.
@@themusicprofessor I'd recommend "Compassion" by Westlake.
Interesting vid and presentation as always, thanks ... and please do ask the question!! 😀
Hmmm ... is film music not just not an array of background sound textures to enhance something that's going on on screen? Does that make it a coherent musical argument? Hmmm ... please discuss! Cheers all - have a good weekend!😄
@myouatt5987 Thank you for your comment! It's a very complex and involved topic this one. I'm currently analysing Wagner's Tristan & Isolde (not a film score but aesthetically one could argue that the history of film music is hugely indebted to it) in which every sentence and every idea is somehow being portrayed and 'deepened' by the musical fabric that underpins the drama. It also happens to be an astonishingly coherent musical work. Nowadays, film scores tend not to be as complex as this (although John Williams's scores and Howard Shaw's music for 'The Lord of the Rings' are all pretty leitmotivic). Hans Zimmer's scores are much less complex: usually lots of drones and heavily saturated monodic melodies that seem heavily indebted to other cultures. They are certainly potent in relation to the films they accompany (Dunkirk, in particular, seemed a very strong score to me) but you're right that, without the visual component, they seem a little thin as music on its own
@@themusicprofessor Thank you for replying and your view ... very honestly appreciated! I think I might need to do some more film watching! Well, that'd be something for a Bank Holiday weekend! Cheers/great stuff - thank you.😀
@@themusicprofessorit's an interesting question how much the music feeds off the film's images and story, and the film off the music. Hearing the music on its own can often feel a bit "thin", unless you know the accompanying film really well. But it's always been like that - Wagner's operas make a lot more sense as operas than when excerpted as concert performances, and I have the same feeling about The Rite of Spring; far better as a ballet.
Which doesn't stop them from being pivotal influential pieces of music.
I'm not sure how unusual they are as film scores. Many Hollywood films are either monothematic, or written as a series of leitmoteifs, to the extent that it has become hard to imagine any other form of music score (think Dr Zhivago for example).
But another advantage that film gives is that there is no overarching requirement for form that you see in pure concert music. The scene it underscores provides the story, and all the music has to do is mirror that. Similarly, the music is just as long as the film requires - no more, no less; the film means that it is allowed to be incomplete
Yes, is it music or just atmospheric sounds (courtesy of law & order)? I tend towards the latter.
I think Zimmer said in an interview that Dune soundtrack was much closer to sound design than to composing music tracks. Apparently that was intentional.
I can’t see the horn instrument well enough on my iphone. Could it be a type of aerophone? I actually want to get one so I can record woodwinds, and horns with actual instrument voices.
That lower appoggiatura makes me think of the trumpets in Mahler’s 3rd
I know what you mean - to be honest, I prefer the Mahler!
@@themusicprofessor haha me too
The planet at the start is Selusa Secundus, the Saraukar.
It's 100% mimed. You can tell especially from the 'singer' whose phrase endings don't match the sound and the visual (see at 0:40 on the original video), and who sometimes 'sings' away from the microphone...
And of course you can tell from the forced emoting of everybody, e.g. the cellist and Zimmer himself. He looks so ridiculous trying to channel his Keith Richards side on this electronic guitar or whatever.
I am sure that I could come up with a piece like this and I am no composer. It's empty of Music. And how many notes are there?
Where's John Williams? Ennio Morricone? Lalo Schifrin?
We have reached the bottom. Let's hope it's going to go back up now...
Interesting analysis, brings more depth to Dune's soundtrack... which i didn't like. (btw i think the weird tube instrument is a wind controller)
I mean sure i vibed with it while watching the movie, it goes along well with the movie, serves as a good support. BUT i couldn't sing or whistle or even remember a passage even if i wanted to, except that one woman screaming in the Lisan al-Gaib theme (the first three notes at least) and maybe the bagpipe part (also the first three notes, is there a pattern here ?) And the throat singing, that was hell of a good idea. Other than that i found it forgettable.
I kinda hate that because for me the music is the way i fully jump in a film, i'm often brought to classics by listening to their musics first, ; want to be able to at least remember it. Damn, i was so disappointed to see they had ditched 1984 Dune's opening theme, i feel they *may* have vaguely referenced for a few bars it in the Stillsuit soundtrack but what a bummer...
Hans Zimmer is great! He is among the best movie music composers. Bernard Hermann, John Williams, Nino Rota, Erich Korngold, Henry Mancini. Thank you for another great video. Your energy and enthusiasm with all the information makes for the best Saturday afternoon entertainment on a dark, rainy day. Thank you!
No, he isn't amongst those big names, stop it
@@JulioLeonFandinho opinion isn’t prohibited.
Enjoyed your analysis, very interesting, as I'm not very 'literate' musically. However, I don't like most contemporary film music as 'stand-alone" music, with some exceptions - John Barry, Nigel Westlake in the past 25-30 years - as well as some real music composed circa the 40's & 50's. To me, most film music sounds thin - formulaic & derivative - despite the "thick" lavish reproduction.
Yes, I largely agree with you. There are some striking exceptions but many films have formulaic and derivative soundtracks. I agree with you about John Barry. Other favourites of mine are Max Steiner, Bernard Herrmann, Michel Legrand, John Williams, Ennio Morricone, Joe Hisaishi, Jonny Greenwood and Mica Levi.
It's Ennio Morricone, not Enrico 😏@@themusicprofessor
*_Barra Barra_* :-)
I find Hans Zimmer's scores unbearably overblown and vapid. To me just a bit of solo voice, occasional traditional percussion and a bit of a drone now and again would have been so much more effective than this empty bombast. Thanks for revealing the musical content!
I don't believe they are miming the music, it would make sense that the live session is very visual because the soundtrack itself goes hand in hand with the visuals of the film, they are symbiotic.
Hi! Just yesterday I watched the mentioned movie. To ber frank what I think in general is that Zimmers' music is very poor and ugly. I also hate the "spectacularization" in live concerts where he mimimc a rock-star urrounded by scantily naked women. very sad.
No personal offense intended, but I'm not gonna lie: this channel was more intellectually stimulating when it didn't have cliched reaction videos with the typical shocked face plastered in the thumbnail. I'm not sure what audience you're trying to attract with that, but the phrase "lowest common denominator" springs to mind - which is going to be a tough sell for a channel with classical music as its main forte. I won't watch this video, as I don't wish to support that type of pandering.
Seems slightly odd that you're not even willing to watch and just assume that the video is not very good.
I've watched virtually all of your videos, even the 1st in your recent "Reaction" trilogy. I'm almost certain it has some interesting information, but as I said: there are certain subgenres of TH-cam videos which some find trite, hackneyed and view-centric. As a fan of your pre-Reaction-Video content, it's quite disheartening to see a great channel take it's first tentative steps down this path. I understand the need for some clicks, and the need to evolve - I wouldn't begrudge Beethoven his bagatelles! Lord knows he needed the money. 😊@@themusicprofessor
@@harpsitardo We don't plan to purely release reaction content now. Fair enough if you don't like this genre, but I'd like to think that we still manage to make them informative and entertaining. Thank you for watching our channel in general.
No offense intended but I'm not sure you watched the same video I did. He expressed his own views and reactions, not some rehearsed cliches. I'm not a fan of the attitude that classical/concert music channels should be hostile to popular culture or musically untrained amateurs. I mean, you're welcome to cultivate an elite audience if that's your preference but to suggest that all classical musicians should be this way is quite rude.
too much pausing, annoying