I've had 2 Series Land Rovers (2a & 3) and 4 different Range Rover Classics. Always wanted a Defender, but prices are unreal. I think they have strayed a long way from their roots. The Series vehicles were the easiest to work on, but they also needed it more often!
I am 70 been around Land Rovers most of my life "SO WHY HAS IT TAKEN A CANADIAN ?? OR AMERICAN ??" TO TELL ME ABOUT HONDAS INPUT??? All I can say is shame on us Britts L.O.L. Great up load so so interesting have now subscribed Looking foward to the next one John................... Happy Christmas Lets all hope 2023 is a good one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Rover's involvement with Honda was generally known in the States as only with the Rover car (called Sterling in the U.S.). Those of us who were with Rover (via B.L.) back at that time were always disappointed in the fact that Rover was the junior player to Honda. But, in all fairness, Honda's products has a long, well-deserved history of reliability. And, of course, the major Japanese automobile manufacturers have always known the value of after-sales service. This is something the British took far too many years to learn! Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
When I was driving a Lincoln Town Car limo(12 passengers) to get a customer in Chicagoland, in a bad snowstorm, a Range Rover Discovery got stuck in the snow(I94), and I got through with my big boat.(2005) 😄😄😄 Whatta great car Lincoln TownCar was...☺️
Jon, great automotive history on Land Rover. I came that close to not watching it, because I automatically associate LR with oils spots and dealer visits. In the words of Mater from Cars2 about the Land Rover, Miles Axlerod, "If there ain't no oil under er, then there ain't no oil in er." LOL! 😂 I usually watch the YT channel "Big Car" for my automotive history, but his videos are much longer. Great research! 20-30 minutes is long enough. 😊
@@AllCarswithJon Yes, and trying to write one's own book (including all the research that goes into a historical subject) takes many years of work. In another year or so, I hope my first book, CLOSING THE LOOP ON PEARL HARBOR, will be in publication. I started doing the research in late 1983 at the same time I decided to "get the hell out of the Land Rover business." Research takes time. By the way: I, too, also love Big Car, as that British gentleman does a great job with his research and presentation. Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
Land Rover has made some of the greatest SUVs ever. The Range Rover alone is proof of that. The upcoming 2023 Range Rover will have a 7-passenger version. It's about time. The Discovery is one of my favorite Land Rover lines(and that includes the LR3 and LR4 versions). The Defender is Land Rover's Jeep Wrangler. And it works.
Just seen your content on the history of LR. I'm not usually into reviews from across the pond but must say that your presentation was very good, engaging and informative. I have been lucky enough to have driven LR products for the last 4 years (Evoque, Disco Sport & FPace) so far not had any issues apart from a dodgy camera on the disco & this was sorted by dealer. No oil on my drive and many miles of comfy driving pleasure. A little sort off roading only. I would love to own a defender or series but UK prices and space and time defeat me and present. Looking forward to viewing more of your content.
This is a great video and I'm looking forward to the next one in the "Far Too Brief History" series. I can relate to your sentiments on the brand and have often thought about buying one, but ultimately the image of poor reliability has kept me away, at least for now...
We're pretty much on the same page with Land Rover's products. I, too, love the company and its vehicles. I got onboard in 1964 at the age of sixteen. Thus I was involved with Rover prior to Rover's becoming part of British Leyland. Living in the United States, I realized that Rover both on its own and after the British Leyland takeover, had an image problem with after sales service in North America. I got into the parts business, featuring genuine parts only, in mid-1974. This was just about the time Land Rover was pulled from the U.S. market. I had dreams of working for "the company" in the U.S. (Owning one's own business was, in reality, a 7/24/365 life-style. It took a divorce in 1mid-1980, and meeting someone new in 1983, to wake me up to decide to "get the hell out of the car business and to write a book.") While I'll love Rover's products to the day I die, I haven't owned a Rover product since the early 1990's. I've been driving domestic cars since then. Since April 2012 I've owned and driven a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. The Rubicon is every bit as good off the road as any Land Rover product I've ever driven, and a hell of a lot more reliable. But I've never ever felt at one with my Rubicon that I always felt with ever Rover (car) and Land Rover vehicle I've ever owned. I'll love the automobile business and the internal combustion engine until the day I die---and Rover's products probably more than anyone else's. Your video on Land Rover is a wonderful, yet brief history. Thank you very, very much! Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
Thoroughly enjoyed your history of the "Landie". Well researched and delivered. A real treat not to have to listen to a robot mangling English. You might have dwelt more on the Land Rovers' status of vehicle of preference for many Commonwealth militaries which will have done no harm to underwriting production.
Land Rover and Range Rover are a prime example of something great going bad. Old LR:s were great when all the manufacturing blunders were fixed; the good parts had found the car. Same with the RR. But now, they made Pretender, and the RR is useless in the Finnish forests with tree stumps and rocks. I watched a video where H3 Hummer beat Pretender hands down; the Pretender just did not have enough real life ground clearance. Rising the suspension near to it's limit is not real world ground clearance. I was glad to see that because I own an H3... Also a built K5 Blazer, but it is of course lightyears ahead in the woods than any LR or RR. Tested. Diff locks both ends. Electronics are not a substitute. Or open diffs. That is because the LR axles would break if locked, the old ones in particular.Seen that. Now, if the v6 diesels by Ford would be even decent engines and not lemons, the electrics would work,the air suspension would last and work, one should not be forced to google what WILL go broken with some engines, transmissions or transfer cases, older models would be something to consider, but ALL new LR:s and RR:s are meant for footballers wives, great to pose in, can tow the horse trailer, and only sometimes get stuck in the wet moved lawn because of street tire pattern. They finally let us 4x4 people down completely.
I have an '03 Disco II bearing the 4.6V8. Great vehicle, actually. I've learned through owning it that most of the issues was because owners never knew how to properly take care of them (I don't care how many vehicles someone has had over sixty years, sometimes you have to adapt to different designs). The Engine and the front drive shaft are the biggest problems though, and both are due to heat-related issues.
I got a lift of the stone mason for Greenwich Navel College.,it was a long wheel base with leaf spring...across London., so not rough ground.,but rough enough.,after 5 miles I got out & went the rest of the way on the bus.,it was a sight more comfortable.,and I got home still with some fillings in my teeth..
LR had the potential to rebuild on their original market. An industry leader off road, with various models stepping up in luxury category. The Disco > Defender > Range Rover lineup could be so much more. The style of the current lineup, as you mentioned, is indistinguishable from other brands. Heavy on luxury, with off road capabilities as a bonus. I mean, the smallest wheels available on the new Defender is 19” on base trim, and 20” on the V8 model. Not conducive for airing down off road. Hopefully Ineos has success with the Grenadier to show them that the market for purpose made off road vehicles is still strong.
The length of your videos are catching up to Bill's! 😁 Now all you need to do is start with a weather report like Bill does. 😊 And say "Good morning!" Seriously though, great history videos!
I love my Defender! Just a tip: Diesel is pronounced "deezil" not "deesil". Just like houses, or business. Also Rudolf Diesel was German. In German the "S" character is almost always the "Z" sound we have in English. From Speak More Clearly: When the letter ‘s’ is after a vowel, another ‘s’, or a voiced consonant, it is pronounced as a /z/ sound. e.g., logs, tubes, beds, moves, clothes, was, becomes, he’s, passes.
I did enjoy this, very in depth. However it would benefit you to delve into the history of Jeep. You will find that they were licensed to be built and sold world wide much in the same way, even so far as competition as far as a farm machine goes in the 40s 50s and a portion of the 60s.
I help you to fill the gap for you. Land Rover started a club in 1955 called the Land Rover Club. The JLR dealerships having theme are Jaguar is England \ UK, the Land Rover having African lodge. The Land Rover vechiles in the Camel Trophy vehicles are Land Rover Defender, Dico. The Land Rover Dico have Safari animals on the spare tire covers. In 1974 Land Rover abandoned plans in the US during the Japanese imports like the Toyota FJ40 ( Land Cruiser \ Land Cruiser 40 ), Nissan Patrol not used the Datsun name. In 1987 Land Rover finally in the US market w \ the Range Rover. In 1993 Land Rover Defender 110 in the US as a NES Defender 110, in 1994 Land Rover Defender 90 in the US as a NES Defender 90. By the 1997 Land Rover Defender 110, 90 pulled out of the US market because the regulations added airbags, strong doors. Also, in 1997 Land Rover have special edition in the US are Land Rover Dico XD. In the 2012 JLR ( Jaguar Land Rover ) split from Tata Motors. In 2018 Land Rover revealed the Land Rover Evoque 3 door. In 2017 Land Rover revealed the Land Rover Evoque 2 door convertible. In 2020 Land Rover bringing the Land Rover Defender to the US since 1993. In 2021 Land Rover adding the Land Rover Defender 130 in the lineup. In 2022 Land Rover adding Land Rover Defender 80. In 2023 Land Rover adding V8 for all the Land Defender models. Now, the JRL going to BEV, PHEV, FCEV.
The "NAS" Defenders (North American Specification) are what you mean, Harry, rather than "NES". Otherwise what you've written is perfectly correct. In the old days of Rover/Land Rover in the USA---prior to B.L.'s involvement---we called Land Rover and Rover products built for the North American market NADA (as in North American Dollar Area. Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
What you want Jon is what they were and not what they are now !! I have had the following not showing off just a fact of my love for these cars 1, series one short wheel base 2, series 2 short wheel base 3, Series one light weight "military" 3, defender short wheel base 4,, 2 door range rover "still have it " 1971 5,, 4 door range rover still have it 6,, Range Rover L322 still have it !!! So as you can see a true maniac ..But my favourite of them all is the 4 door Classic R/R Dont know why but just love it to bits Love driving it It just feels like a part of me Probably because its the one I have driven the most ?? One small point and then I will shut up I have never ever had a Land Rover let me down EVER !!! I.E. They have always got me home !! Not the same as the Audi or B.M.W. or Volkswagen !! And thats a fact! ! Like most mechanical things look after them and they will look after you!! Most folk that think they are rubish have never owned one If you want a car you can just get in and drive and will always get you home but as boring as hell get a Toyota They are just something else but on the other hand if you want some history and class Get a Range Rover Sorry to Yakel on but its my passion !!!
That all look too similar. Had a person pull up in a Velar the other week and thought it was a Sport. She wasn't thrilled at my mistake.... but if someone like me who's interested can't always tell them apart (from some angles) then how is anyone else supposed to?
"Too many models." This is known as MARKETING. Frankly, as a former Rover parts and service vendor, I'm deeply impressed with Land Rover's global marketing strategy ever since Tata's involvement with the company. Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
MHHHH Interesting comment MARKETING we should look at some MARKETING in historical terms and how it has made sense and also blown companies out of the water A Chimp could market Range Rovers and do ok So not convinced by your comment having been in marketing for over 50 years ??
@@allanhughes7859 The different models are being sold at different price points. This makes Land Rover's brand more available to a far broader spectrum of the overall consumer automotive market. Land Rover (and Rover before it) has been able to sell vehicles on its name. So, too, products such as Rolls Royce, Mercedes Benz, BMW, and a number of other products in various market sectors. Would Toyota still be able to sell anywhere near as many cars per year if their products suffered as many reliability issues as Land Rover's products do?
I've had 2 Series Land Rovers (2a & 3) and 4 different Range Rover Classics. Always wanted a Defender, but prices are unreal. I think they have strayed a long way from their roots. The Series vehicles were the easiest to work on, but they also needed it more often!
I am 70 been around Land Rovers most of my life "SO WHY HAS IT TAKEN A CANADIAN ?? OR AMERICAN ??" TO TELL ME ABOUT HONDAS INPUT??? All I can say is shame on us Britts L.O.L. Great up load so so interesting have now subscribed Looking foward to the next one John................... Happy Christmas Lets all hope 2023 is a good one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Rover's involvement with Honda was generally known in the States as only with the Rover car (called Sterling in the U.S.). Those of us who were with Rover (via B.L.) back at that time were always disappointed in the fact that Rover was the junior player to Honda. But, in all fairness, Honda's products has a long, well-deserved history of reliability. And, of course, the major Japanese automobile manufacturers have always known the value of after-sales service. This is something the British took far too many years to learn! Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
When I was driving a Lincoln Town Car limo(12 passengers) to get a customer in Chicagoland, in a bad snowstorm, a Range Rover Discovery got stuck in the snow(I94), and I got through with my big boat.(2005) 😄😄😄
Whatta great car Lincoln TownCar was...☺️
Jeep,Land Rover and all of the other SUVs have sure come a long way especially in ride quality....
Superb video!!! Fantasticly researched, beautifully put together....thank you 😎👍
Many thanks!
Love Land Rover and have owned three. All three blew head gaskets.
Jon, great automotive history on Land Rover. I came that close to not watching it, because I automatically associate LR with oils spots and dealer visits. In the words of Mater from Cars2 about the Land Rover, Miles Axlerod, "If there ain't no oil under er, then there ain't no oil in er." LOL! 😂 I usually watch the YT channel "Big Car" for my automotive history, but his videos are much longer. Great research! 20-30 minutes is long enough. 😊
I love "Big Car" but I'm trying to be a bit different. And trust me, a 30 minute video is days of work. :)
Love, LOVE that quote btw!
@@AllCarswithJon Yes, and trying to write one's own book (including all the research that goes into a historical subject) takes many years of work. In another year or so, I hope my first book, CLOSING THE LOOP ON PEARL HARBOR, will be in publication. I started doing the research in late 1983 at the same time I decided to "get the hell out of the Land Rover business." Research takes time. By the way: I, too, also love Big Car, as that British gentleman does a great job with his research and presentation. Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
Land Rover has made some of the greatest SUVs ever. The Range Rover alone is proof of that. The upcoming 2023 Range Rover will have a 7-passenger version. It's about time. The Discovery is one of my favorite Land Rover lines(and that includes the LR3 and LR4 versions). The Defender is Land Rover's Jeep Wrangler. And it works.
Just seen your content on the history of LR. I'm not usually into reviews from across the pond but must say that your presentation was very good, engaging and informative. I have been lucky enough to have driven LR products for the last 4 years (Evoque, Disco Sport & FPace) so far not had any issues apart from a dodgy camera on the disco & this was sorted by dealer. No oil on my drive and many miles of comfy driving pleasure. A little sort off roading only. I would love to own a defender or series but UK prices and space and time defeat me and present. Looking forward to viewing more of your content.
Appreciate you being here and your kind words!
This is a great video and I'm looking forward to the next one in the "Far Too Brief History" series. I can relate to your sentiments on the brand and have often thought about buying one, but ultimately the image of poor reliability has kept me away, at least for now...
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind words!
We're pretty much on the same page with Land Rover's products. I, too, love the company and its vehicles. I got onboard in 1964 at the age of sixteen. Thus I was involved with Rover prior to Rover's becoming part of British Leyland. Living in the United States, I realized that Rover both on its own and after the British Leyland takeover, had an image problem with after sales service in North America. I got into the parts business, featuring genuine parts only, in mid-1974. This was just about the time Land Rover was pulled from the U.S. market. I had dreams of working for "the company" in the U.S. (Owning one's own business was, in reality, a 7/24/365 life-style. It took a divorce in 1mid-1980, and meeting someone new in 1983, to wake me up to decide to "get the hell out of the car business and to write a book.") While I'll love Rover's products to the day I die, I haven't owned a Rover product since the early 1990's. I've been driving domestic cars since then. Since April 2012 I've owned and driven a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. The Rubicon is every bit as good off the road as any Land Rover product I've ever driven, and a hell of a lot more reliable. But I've never ever felt at one with my Rubicon that I always felt with ever Rover (car) and Land Rover vehicle I've ever owned. I'll love the automobile business and the internal combustion engine until the day I die---and Rover's products probably more than anyone else's. Your video on Land Rover is a wonderful, yet brief history. Thank you very, very much! Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
Thank you for the wonderful comment!
Thoroughly enjoyed your history of the "Landie". Well researched and delivered. A real treat not to have to listen to a robot mangling English. You might have dwelt more on the Land Rovers' status of vehicle of preference for many Commonwealth militaries which will have done no harm to underwriting production.
Land Rover and Range Rover are a prime example of something great going bad. Old LR:s were great when all the manufacturing blunders were fixed; the good parts had found the car. Same with the RR. But now, they made Pretender, and the RR is useless in the Finnish forests with tree stumps and rocks. I watched a video where H3 Hummer beat Pretender hands down; the Pretender just did not have enough real life ground clearance. Rising the suspension near to it's limit is not real world ground clearance. I was glad to see that because I own an H3... Also a built K5 Blazer, but it is of course lightyears ahead in the woods than any LR or RR. Tested. Diff locks both ends. Electronics are not a substitute. Or open diffs. That is because the LR axles would break if locked, the old ones in particular.Seen that.
Now, if the v6 diesels by Ford would be even decent engines and not lemons, the electrics would work,the air suspension would last and work, one should not be forced to google what WILL go broken with some engines, transmissions or transfer cases, older models would be something to consider, but ALL new LR:s and RR:s are meant for footballers wives, great to pose in, can tow the horse trailer, and only sometimes get stuck in the wet moved lawn because of street tire pattern. They finally let us 4x4 people down completely.
I have an '03 Disco II bearing the 4.6V8. Great vehicle, actually. I've learned through owning it that most of the issues was because owners never knew how to properly take care of them (I don't care how many vehicles someone has had over sixty years, sometimes you have to adapt to different designs). The Engine and the front drive shaft are the biggest problems though, and both are due to heat-related issues.
I'd love to find a 1/24 or 1/25 model kit of one of these to build for my model kit collection someday....
I got a lift of the stone mason for Greenwich Navel College.,it was a long wheel base with leaf spring...across London., so not rough ground.,but rough enough.,after 5 miles I got out & went the rest of the way on the bus.,it was a sight more comfortable.,and I got home still with some fillings in my teeth..
LR had the potential to rebuild on their original market. An industry leader off road, with various models stepping up in luxury category. The Disco > Defender > Range Rover lineup could be so much more. The style of the current lineup, as you mentioned, is indistinguishable from other brands. Heavy on luxury, with off road capabilities as a bonus. I mean, the smallest wheels available on the new Defender is 19” on base trim, and 20” on the V8 model. Not conducive for airing down off road. Hopefully Ineos has success with the Grenadier to show them that the market for purpose made off road vehicles is still strong.
I never realized Rover went as far back as the mid 1800s...
Nor did I. Thought it was interesting enough to include. Those sometimes (in)famous Rover cars were named after a brand of bicycle! How cool!
@@AllCarswithJon Look up Rover Safety bicycle in the Encyclopedia Britanica. Jon's video history is "spot on" with the early days of Rover.
I recently bought an LR 4 because it looks distinguished compared to all the crossover SUV's on the Road today.
I do like the LR4. Be curious to hear back from you on how it holds up.
@@AllCarswithJon I'll keep you posted on all the Maintenance and repairs I'll be performing.
The length of your videos are catching up to Bill's! 😁 Now all you need to do is start with a weather report like Bill does. 😊 And say "Good morning!" Seriously though, great history videos!
Lol, glad you like them! I have been known to say "hey y'all" in a video, and maybe twice I've mentioned how hot it is. :)
I love my Defender! Just a tip: Diesel is pronounced "deezil" not "deesil". Just like houses, or business. Also Rudolf Diesel was German. In German the "S" character is almost always the "Z" sound we have in English.
From Speak More Clearly:
When the letter ‘s’ is after a vowel, another ‘s’, or a voiced consonant,
it is pronounced as a /z/ sound.
e.g., logs, tubes, beds, moves, clothes, was, becomes, he’s, passes.
love u from india
It’s criminal how low this guys sub count is
Thank you for the positive comment! We've been growing a lot recently so welcome aboard!
I did enjoy this, very in depth. However it would benefit you to delve into the history of Jeep. You will find that they were licensed to be built and sold world wide much in the same way, even so far as competition as far as a farm machine goes in the 40s 50s and a portion of the 60s.
I help you to fill the gap for you. Land Rover started a club in 1955 called the Land Rover Club. The JLR dealerships having theme are Jaguar is England \ UK, the Land Rover having African lodge. The Land Rover vechiles in the Camel Trophy vehicles are Land Rover Defender, Dico. The Land Rover Dico have Safari animals on the spare tire covers. In 1974 Land Rover abandoned plans in the US during the Japanese imports like the Toyota FJ40 ( Land Cruiser \ Land Cruiser 40 ), Nissan Patrol not used the Datsun name. In 1987 Land Rover finally in the US market w \ the Range Rover. In 1993 Land Rover Defender 110 in the US as a NES Defender 110, in 1994 Land Rover Defender 90 in the US as a NES Defender 90. By the 1997 Land Rover Defender 110, 90 pulled out of the US market because the regulations added airbags, strong doors. Also, in 1997 Land Rover have special edition in the US are Land Rover Dico XD. In the 2012 JLR ( Jaguar Land Rover ) split from Tata Motors. In 2018 Land Rover revealed the Land Rover Evoque 3 door. In 2017 Land Rover revealed the Land Rover Evoque 2 door convertible. In 2020 Land Rover bringing the Land Rover Defender to the US since 1993. In 2021 Land Rover adding the Land Rover Defender 130 in the lineup. In 2022 Land Rover adding Land Rover Defender 80. In 2023 Land Rover adding V8 for all the Land Defender models. Now, the JRL going to BEV, PHEV, FCEV.
The "NAS" Defenders (North American Specification) are what you mean, Harry, rather than "NES". Otherwise what you've written is perfectly correct. In the old days of Rover/Land Rover in the USA---prior to B.L.'s involvement---we called Land Rover and Rover products built for the North American market NADA (as in North American Dollar Area. Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
What you want Jon is what they were and not what they are now !! I have had the following not showing off just a fact of my love for these cars 1, series one short wheel base 2, series 2 short wheel base 3, Series one light weight "military" 3, defender short wheel base
4,, 2 door range rover "still have it " 1971 5,, 4 door range rover still have it 6,, Range Rover L322 still have it !!! So as you can see a true maniac ..But my favourite of them all is the 4 door Classic R/R Dont know why but just love it to bits Love driving it It just feels like a part of me Probably because its the one I have driven the most ?? One small point and then I will shut up I have never ever had a Land Rover let me down EVER !!! I.E. They have always got me home !! Not the same as the Audi or B.M.W. or Volkswagen !! And thats a fact! ! Like most mechanical things look after them and they will look after you!! Most folk that think they are rubish have never owned one If you want a car you can just get in and drive and will always get you home but as boring as hell get a Toyota They are just something else but on the other hand if you want some history and class Get a Range Rover Sorry to Yakel on but its my passion !!!
That's quite the history! Glad you're here and thanks for the comment!
Over priced trash
If I wanted to buy one today I would be tottaly confused TOOO MANY MAKES AND MODELS Does anyone else agree ???????????????
That all look too similar. Had a person pull up in a Velar the other week and thought it was a Sport.
She wasn't thrilled at my mistake.... but if someone like me who's interested can't always tell them apart (from some angles) then how is anyone else supposed to?
"Too many models." This is known as MARKETING. Frankly, as a former Rover parts and service vendor, I'm deeply impressed with Land Rover's global marketing strategy ever since Tata's involvement with the company. Andy McKane, 27 December 2022, Maunaloa (Molokai), Hawaii.
MHHHH Interesting comment MARKETING we should look at some MARKETING in historical terms and how it has made sense and also blown companies out of the water A Chimp could market Range Rovers and do ok So not convinced by your comment having been in marketing for over 50 years ??
@@allanhughes7859 The different models are being sold at different price points. This makes Land Rover's brand more available to a far broader spectrum of the overall consumer automotive market. Land Rover (and Rover before it) has been able to sell vehicles on its name. So, too, products such as Rolls Royce, Mercedes Benz, BMW, and a number of other products in various market sectors. Would Toyota still be able to sell anywhere near as many cars per year if their products suffered as many reliability issues as Land Rover's products do?
@@andymckane7271 good answer but still do not totaly agree !!