worst take ever. The point of the trade is a championship. If they don't get a championship in the next 2 years, it's the worst trade in the history of sports
Every single superstar the Lakers have ever had won a championship. The only way they win the trade is if Dallas knew something everyone doesn’t & Luka just falls off
They still lose the trade because his value was astronomical. Even if they knew something, they traded him as if the rest of the league knew too. The league didn't, and his value was far greater than an aging star and 1 first.
Comparing Luka to Harden is WILDLY disrespectful. Harden is a legendary choke artist in the playoffs. Luka is already amongst all time greats in the playoffs from production to clutch moments. He needs to play better defense, sure, but that’s where the comparison ends. It’s not even close.
@ it wasn’t just that harden lost, it’s that he lost because he constantly disappeared in the biggest games. He’s done that for pretty much his whole career
Fair point...but in the regular season they the same..lol Harden avg like 37points one year and Harden can play a pretty dawm good point guard. @@mctalley31
bro said “the odds show that he won’t win a chip” bro how many greats have won in their first 6 years? he’s literally been to the finals. what are yall talking about lol first and last watch
Literally only way this makes sense is if team doctors from Dallas found out he has degenerative knee disease like Brandon Roy or something and kept quiet about it and traded him without even telling Luka lol.
Yeah agreed. That is the only reason I could stomach lol. Anything else is just a dumb reason. If he's out of shape, so be it. Wasn't he out of shape last season? Where did you end up? Oh yeah, competing for a chip even though literally nobody had Dallas making the Finals over the Thunder, Nuggets, or Wolves.
You realize that the rest of the league still wouldn't know that though. His value was still 10x what they got right here in this moment, regardless of what DALLAS knew, the rest of the league did not.
Ok but they could have got Giannis or something. Wemby. That level. The league wouldn't know about this insider info. The trade is ridiculous no matter how you try to slice it.
To sign Luka next year. Mavs are the #1 team in league for resigning traded players. The sign Luka. Kyrie goes to free agency. Picking up max and Ad in current trade. No way Luka going to sign max contract with Lakers at a 50% tax on top of that. Mavs might be pulling a 3 card monte.
The James Harden comparison is so bad because Harden always shrinks in the playoffs and also never even got them to the Finals, I’m saying this as a Houston fan btw
He almost average a triple double with assist last year. The reason people say this ate look ing at his earlier years were he would pass the ball and the player mlsses the shot. You have to watch the games not the box score. Missed assist is not counted in the stats. I hav3 watched games in the 4th quarter and the team looks like they are shooting at the basket with a lid on it. Luka game is still the same it just the team is better around in putting the ball in the basket.
Shady won this take and it's not even remotely close. Luka ain't that guy. If Mavs win the title in the next 2-3 years and Luka just in LA putting up great "stats" that will mean Dallas definitely won the trade. I dont see what we're debating here 🤷🏾
@@mylessmith8059They have won against good teams without Kyrie. I don't know what you are taking about. They have one of the deepest bench in the NBA this season. they have won without Luka Kyrie, Lively, and Klay.
I don't think you understand how important it is to have guys who can get their own shot in the playoffs. The Mavs now only have Kyrie. Not that Kyrie sucks or anything, but Kyrie isn't a distributor, and he's very stoppable. Luka is actually unstoppable even by elite defenses, and he distributes with the best of em.
@@81clazzic aaaaaaand Harden capped it off with a historic chokejob in a career filled with chokejobs. If anything, the MVP proves Harden was always just a regular season guy.
Luke probably has a serious drinking problem and refuses to get help. Nico doesn't want to disparage Luka so he's taking the hits. But, you don't initiate the trade for Luka without their being some serious issues the public isn't aware of.
There are some truths that will NEVER be placed in the media for protection of the subject matter or brand as they say. Jordan, most everyone's G.O.A.T. had a problem that led to his "retirement" after winning a 3 peat of championships. Jordan says he was tired. The NBA by all accounts, was behind this brief "retirement".....NO ONE SAW THAT COMING. We won't know the truth but life is built of parallels and is circular meaning human behavior repeats itself through different individuals. So I do not believe the comment is speculation. It aligns with truths of human nature. To dismiss it as speculation is captive thinking. Some truths make no sense. Just have to be accepted.
These guys are more on point than the Stephen A Smiths, Barclays and other commentators saying that Dallas should be happy with AD. AD’s history says it all. AD shows up half the time when he is healthy. And then when AD is healthy is a whole different topic. This was the stupidest trade in NBA history. The Mavs totally lost out. The Lakers totally won as they will win championships with Luka. The Mavs will be lucky to make it to the playoffs this year. The Mavs will be the laughing stock of the NBA for years to come.
@@Yehitsmepaul bro the Lakers won the trade, but dont act like AD is Hassan Whiteside (read it somewhere). Yes AD missed a lot of games in his 2nd 3rd and 4th year in LA, but last season he played 76 games and 5 in the playoffs, this season he only missed 5 games. I guarantee you the Mavs will make it to the playoffs this year and at least for the next 2. Long term the Dallas lost for sure, short them its Dallas over Lakers. AD finally gets to play his beloved 4 next to Lively and Gafford, AD on 4 is a different animal.
Yall tripping 😂. If Dallas win their second championship because of the trade then they definitely winning the trade untill Luka wins 1 with the lakers. 1 ring with Dallas mins a whole lot more than 2 with lakers who got 18.
@@hahayessir400OKC is still too young. Denver needs bench depth. The Suns don’t get me started. Timberwolves 😂. I can see the Celtics getting back to the NBA Finals this season, but it won’t be easy as it was last year.
In 10 years, you're not looking back at 1 chip and saying, "yeah I'm glad we got rid of our home grown generational star for that." The reason the 2011 one was so special with Dirk was specifically because it was Dirk. He was drafted there, won MVPs there, had heartbreaks there, and then finally broke through. Being a fan isn't just about winning chips, it's about the journey. Here, the journey is cheapened with this trade. You've built your team around 2 teamhoppers (AD and Kyrie) who are at the twilight of their careers. The Lakers had Kobe. Cavs had Kyrie and LeBron. Celtics had Tatum and Brown (and they had Pierce and Rondo for that 2008 one). Raptors had Lowry. Nuggets had Joker, Murray, MPJ. Bucks had Giannis and Middleton. The Heat had Wade. The Warriors had Klay, Steph, and Draymond. That's why those chips felt so fun for those franchises... they were with centerpiece guys who were drafted there. This will feel as empty as that Bubble Championship... ok cool, just a group of mercenaries who all want a chip, have no history with the team, and will be gone in 3 years.
Welp jus looked it up jus to prove a pt His blocks n steals went up every yr smh Has 191 career blocks n avg 1.1 steals a game Only problem is transition defense when argues with the ref n leaves team 4 on 5 thats his only problem other than that he does give effort unlike Harden Sooo Shady n Chase plz shhhhhhhh
Because when yall get basketball players yall complain about that as well. He didn't get a ring, he ain't in the hall of fame, well he got a ring but he was on the bench, he didn't contribute. He wasnt nobody when he played...those complaints. Yaĺl want everything but nobody at once.
His value was still 10x what they got. No matter how much they hated Luka, why wouldn't they get everything they could for him? Why not call any other teams? Why did Nico only call his best buddy of 20 years, Pelinka? Corrupt league, idiotic fans, refs investigated, refs busted, and not a shred of credibility
Thank you! Now it's just a bunch of mercenaries brought together for a couple years. It's empty. The reason championships mean something is also cause you had a bigtime guys on your roster who you drafted or at least had from an early age. The only exception to that in the last 20 years is the Bubble Championship and that's why it feels so empty.
Letting go of a 25 year old superstar in favor of a great defensive center who is injury prone and past his prime is insane. This is like trading KG for old worn down David Robinson...
@@darksideon you're going by their playstyles, not what you're getting in return. I'm not comparing the players and their playstyles... i'm comparing their impact. This is like trading Harden or AI in his prime for KG toward the end of his playing days in Boston. AD is injury prone as well on his way out.
Ad is not broken down the world r u talking bout he just scored 42 n 23 last game he played he's been healthy the last two season and led lakers in all stats he is still in his prime yall stick to old takes keep up ad is still a top ten player
@ not in any order, SGA, Curry, Wemby, Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Ant, KD, JT, Brunson, Kyrie, etc. Lakers traded AD 1 year early rather than 1 year too late. Lakers won this trade BIG time. This is one of the most lopsided trades in history i've ever seen. This is Herschel Walker type fleecing
Did Harden lead his team to a Finals at age 25? I must be crazy cause I don't remember that happening. I remember KD and Russ leading OKC to the Finals and Harden having a terrible series. I also remember Corey Brewer and Josh Smith saving Harden from a historic choke vs the Clippers in 2015. That's Harden by age 25. Luka hangs 30 PPG on excellent efficiency on virtually everyone. Put Kawhi and PG on him in their primes. Put Dort on him. Put everyone from the Wolves on him. Even the Celtics had to live with 27PPG on 47% shooting and they were loaded defensively.
There's actually no way to win this trade. This loss cannot be quantified. Luka's magic could established an everlasting legacy and prestige to this franchise. An identity that will make players wanna come here. Like there's so much to this that I don't even think our fans understand. Players would be like yeah this is the franchise that takes care of their home talent. We've lost profitablity and marketability. Jesus Christ
People talk about Luka like he's already top 5 all-time in the NBA. They talk like he has 3 MVPs and another couple are just a matter of time. As things stand right now, we don't know if Luka's career will be more Larry Bird or Carmelo Anthony. Will his career be more like Magic or will it be like Grant Hill? Allen Iverson made the Finals once and is a legend, but he's not top 5 all time. The Lakers demand championships. If Luka goes 3 years without winning the title, people will start calling for him to be traded.
Luka has accomplished more than almost any player in the history of the nba at 25. Is a championship promised? Nah but he’s on the trajectory to become an all time great and he gets better every season. Now he’s on the LAKERS u already know the league gone get him some chips cuz it’s good for ratings.
Nah. For all their issues, Lakers fans are loyal to their stars. They loved Shaq even when he wasn't winning. The reason Lebron gets more scrutiny is because of how much the team gave up to get him, and because he was way old, so he didn't really feel like a Laker. Luka is super young and so he'll be embraced by the city just like Shaq was.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW The Lakers didn't give up anything to get LeBron. LeBron was a free agent and chose the Lakers when they were struggling to win 20 games in a season and hadn't been to the playoffs in years.
@@DOUBLECW Yeah my bad, total brainfart lol. I think of LeBron more in the context of what they did after that first season. They got rid of all their pieces to get the guys they added in 2020 so there was a lot of pressure due to that. But yes, you're 100% right, they gave up nothing to sign him.
Y’all do realize by having no one to give a super max to, the Mavs probably have 100-150 million more dollars to play with? Thats about 20-30 million a year
Who they gonna get?....... jimmy butler?kd?resign kyrie? Like bruh, they pretty much traded away their future for a "last dance with kyie,klay,ad" no one is trading their own superstars like giannis,jokic,sga, or antman, what are the mavs gonna do? All that money and will never get a player of lukas caliber again.
6:43 Shady, we are fans that's hurt. It don't matter how many rings we win. Nah man. We love our players. Its the Dirk effect and Luka was our next Dirk and was gonna surpass him. Dirk's 1 ring is so much sweeter than anything else because he was ours.
When have you heard of NBA superstars waiting in line to play with Luka? They also are not flocking to Dallas either. Dallas either drafts talent or trade for it. He had to go to LA, that's the only he could attract free agents
Front offices are so important in team sports. When teams when the chip, it's because moves are made to get them that chip. If the Lakers don't make the right moves, Luka will be good and not win a chip. Same for Dallas, so I reserve judgement based on what each team does to build around the pieces they traded for.
Only way LAL wins a championship in the next generation is if they surround Luka with 4 of the PERFECT complimentary players, + a above average bench, and if Luka makes some changes where he’s not missing half the season to injuries. All Boston had to do last finals was shut down Luka and the mavs were toast.
lmaoooooo luka carried mavs to the finals on one leg, couldnt even move well vs Boston, and ur bum ahh talking like he needs 4 all nba players to have a chance😂 u are clowns
Except the Celtics didn't shut Luka down lol. He torched em for 27 PPG on 47% shooting (led the series in steals too btw). He's the only Mavs player who really did anything tbh. Really it came down to the rest of the team not being as good as the Celtics. If you were to lay out the best players on both teams, the top one would be Luka, then it's Tatum, then Brown, then maybe Kyrie, then like 5 Celtics players. The Celtics were loaded and that's why they ran through the league.
The Facility had an interesting appeal when it was NFL season because all the guys were in the NFL. When it comes to basketball, it really is just an ordinary fan show.
2:46 It's wild that Acho is comparing Luka to Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan and KD. All of thoae guys had INSANE discipline and work ethics. Luka is a great talent, but has been criticized for years about his habits & conditioning. Add to that that he throws tantrums on the court and is a cone & major liability on defense. As special as he is offensively, its hard to trust him with 340 million. The Mavs getting demolished by Boston last year and his injury this year helped to prove that.
Mavs also were in the finals last year and Luka also averaged 30/10/7 that whole series, No other player in the history of the game ever made to the finals at age 25 as the number one option, Not Jordan Not Kobe Not Lebron Not Duncan and certainly not KD lol.
Except Luka is way better and more successful than those players at the same age. Jordan couldn't make finals, Kobe wasn't the best player on his own team, Lebron has an argument, Duncan had a much better team around him, KD 😂 don't make me laugh.
@@djkido316 let me introduce you to a person we like to call “LeBron in 07”😂 that’s the 29 of 30 and 25 straight points scored to defeat the Pistons. He was 21 and also lost 4-1 to a superior team with better talent. LeBron didn’t even amhave a Kyrie level player in ‘07.
@djkido316 ya'll love to cite these averages and stats but ignore the reality that EVERYONE scores more points in today's game because most teams just chuck 3s and play no defense! Trash teams are scoring 120. So the numbers in this era don't mean as much to me if it doesn't amount to winning. If last year's Celtics dog walked the Mavs, what do you think would have happened to Luka if he had to go against the legendary players and teams that Jordan, TD, Kobe and Bron had to face?
Why Are They Not Giving The Real Credit To Kyrie Irving. 4 Times To The Championship and Winner Of 1. I Live In Dallas. We Knew Kyrie Was The Real Leader.
Think the other way around-even if Dallas win a chip in next years,one could say that you would win that same chip with Luka also.And the other scenario is that in the next 5 years both those teams win one chip each..Even in that scenario you lost that trade because in 5 years Luka will be only 30 yo and all of your other best players will be way over 35 yo:kyrie,ad,klay and you could say that with Luka you would now have 2 chips in dallas,not just one...its a loss -loss situation!
With all due respect, Melo's game was never as nice as Luka's, which is why the highlight of his NBA career is a WCF appearance. Luka is a better passer, rebounder, and yes... better shooter. Melo was better at shooting free throws and that's it.
Luka been pro since he was 16 his body is NOT HOLDING UP LIKE LEBRON ….. he has no muscle definition at all he willl not last 10 years as the number 1 player lmao thank you
He doesn't have to. Even if he stayed a #1 for 7-8 years, that'd be awesome. LeBron is an exception, not the rule. You're supposed to start breaking down at age 33-34. It's just life. Even MJ was having knee issues in that 2nd threepeat, it happens.
I’m a die hard Lakers fan from Los Angeles and have idolized Kobe Bean Bryant since in was a baby. Yet still, Luka Doncic as an INDIVIDUAL PLAYER has accomplished greater feats than Kobe did in his first 6 seasons. Luka was First Team at 20 and Kobe was not All-NBA First until he was 23. Luka had as many First Team selections as Steph has had in his career in the number of year it took Steph to earn his first selection. Had Luka had a Shaquille O’Neal in Dallas, he would’ve won championships already without question. Luka has as much talent and killer instinct as Kobe Bryant, far less work ethic (because rarely anyone ever comes closer).
They can win 2 chips and still lose the trade by a mile. Having doncic a global superstar over a decade is worth more than 2 chips. The bond with him was special.
Acho COULD be wrong because the Eagles have been to 3 Super Bowls since And Reid left, but so far - lost to Reid, so Reid won as of now - but The Eagles did not lose out completely.
I think the Mavs overestimate how good this roster is without Luka. That's just the truth. They've been spoiled by having a guy you could just hand the ball to and that can go get buckets against even the most elite defenses in the playoffs. Even in his "down" series vs the Celtics, the man scored 27 PPG on 47% shooting. I get his defense needs work, but even with that, he led the Finals in steals among all players. He was one of the top rebounders too. I just don't think he was the reason they lost. They faced a far superior team, and they got exposed. Thing is, there's no shame in that... the Celtics won 64 games and ran through EVERYBODY. They'd been knocking on the door to win a chip for like 5 years lol. Imo, the Mavs lost this trade as soon as it happened. They're not winning a chip with this roster. Even if Luka falls off, they still failed to shop him around to maximize what you could get for him. We'll never know what teams would've offered for him. Instead, they've hitched their wagon to AD (will be 32 next month, and was injured 3 of the past 4 seasons), Kyrie (will be 33 next month, and has been injured pretty much every season since turning 25), and Klay (age 34 and decimated by the Achilles). By doing this, the Mavs have shortened their championship window to 2 years, not just cause of the ages of Kyrie and AD, but also because Kyrie may not ever re-sign with the Mavs. He strikes me as the kind of guy to take this move by the Mavs personally considering he re-signed with them for 3 years under the reasonable impression he'd be playing with Luka.
They need 2 championships in the next 4-5 years. They don't have the assets to build for the long run and have pretty much burned any goodwill from their fans and NBA players. Even if Luka would have never won a championship in Dallas, he was loyal and a cornerstone player that would have kept the Mavs relevant for the next 10 years.
People need to ignore the championships for a moment and understand, that he wanted to stay in Dallas, possibly till the end of his career, how rare is that in todays NBA? Superstars are running from team to team focusing on their own benefits and here you had someone that actually wanted to stay loyal to the club, the fans and the town, but got dumped anyway. More than anything, the Mavs lost their reputation with this trade and that alone puts them on the losing end.
We would have to have a deep break down to for sure about the finals. Ive heard on another show say using the stats that the celtics won because they were better offensively. The team defensively was good enough. Mavs didnt put up the points
Honestly a championship might not be enough. The mavs probably messed up their potential revenue profits from Luka so bad that it may take them 6+ years for them to make up for it
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worst take ever. The point of the trade is a championship. If they don't get a championship in the next 2 years, it's the worst trade in the history of sports
Fax they have to win in next 2 years
Not true. Luka might never win a championship.
@@AasonMoll if luka never wins a championship and the mavs never win one, it's still a loss
They need multiple championships and Luka has to not ever win one
Facts
Every single superstar the Lakers have ever had won a championship. The only way they win the trade is if Dallas knew something everyone doesn’t & Luka just falls off
Exactly.
Hearing it like that… your right even won it with a old bron and ad I don’t see how La doesn’t win atleast 1 or 2 with luka
Exactly. They’re betting on him not being a superstar in the near future. If he remains the same or gets better, Dallas loses the trade big time
They still lose the trade because his value was astronomical. Even if they knew something, they traded him as if the rest of the league knew too. The league didn't, and his value was far greater than an aging star and 1 first.
Not true. Elgin Baylor never won a title.
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Comparing Luka to Harden is WILDLY disrespectful. Harden is a legendary choke artist in the playoffs. Luka is already amongst all time greats in the playoffs from production to clutch moments. He needs to play better defense, sure, but that’s where the comparison ends. It’s not even close.
luka never had to play against the durant warriors, he wouldn't of beat them either.
@ it wasn’t just that harden lost, it’s that he lost because he constantly disappeared in the biggest games. He’s done that for pretty much his whole career
@@mega1media124u right ne played Boston the champs!
@@mega1media124he literally choked two years ago against the Celtics and did it again in 2024 with the clippers against the mavs
Fair point...but in the regular season they the same..lol Harden avg like 37points one year and Harden can play a pretty dawm good point guard. @@mctalley31
Shady Mccoy just put on a clinic in this segment. Gentleman's sweep!!!
Shady the only one not talking like a fan 😂😂😂
I’m a Lakers fan but I think Shady had a pretty solid point. Gotta take it one season at a time.
you have to be pretty special to think short term outweighs long term.
@@nerdheid7306 fr this trade is an amazing way of telling which ppl are just slow af
Of course you a Laker fan
What is "The facility: going to do when football season ends?? It's pretty obvious Chase Daniel knows nothing about basketball😂
Need to bring Dave back in for the offseason 😂
@@jaywashington7225I wish Dave were on the show instead of Chase. Dave is really knowledgeable.
@@manuntdforever9760 yea I like Dave takes too
Shady the only one thinking in this group
Lmao yea he thinkin like he in the slow class pal
bro said “the odds show that he won’t win a chip”
bro
how many greats have won in their first 6 years?
he’s literally been to the finals. what are yall talking about lol
first and last watch
Shady is 100% correct
No tf he not 😂😂 you must forgot ur helmet you not thinking straight
@@vincentemireles3794 right? shady is an idiot lol
Literally only way this makes sense is if team doctors from Dallas found out he has degenerative knee disease like Brandon Roy or something and kept quiet about it and traded him without even telling Luka lol.
Yeah agreed. That is the only reason I could stomach lol. Anything else is just a dumb reason. If he's out of shape, so be it. Wasn't he out of shape last season? Where did you end up? Oh yeah, competing for a chip even though literally nobody had Dallas making the Finals over the Thunder, Nuggets, or Wolves.
You realize that the rest of the league still wouldn't know that though. His value was still 10x what they got right here in this moment, regardless of what DALLAS knew, the rest of the league did not.
Ok but they could have got Giannis or something. Wemby. That level. The league wouldn't know about this insider info. The trade is ridiculous no matter how you try to slice it.
This what the commissioner wants.
Talk !!! About the NBA
To sign Luka next year. Mavs are the #1 team in league for resigning traded players. The sign Luka. Kyrie goes to free agency. Picking up max and Ad in current trade.
No way Luka going to sign max contract with Lakers at a 50% tax on top of that. Mavs might be pulling a 3 card monte.
The James Harden comparison is so bad because Harden always shrinks in the playoffs and also never even got them to the Finals, I’m saying this as a Houston fan btw
He is a ball hug no defense you all see it
He almost average a triple double with assist last year. The reason people say this ate look ing at his earlier years were he would pass the ball and the player mlsses the shot. You have to watch the games not the box score. Missed assist is not counted in the stats. I hav3 watched games in the 4th quarter and the team looks like they are shooting at the basket with a lid on it. Luka game is still the same it just the team is better around in putting the ball in the basket.
This was a fun conversation haha you usually don’t know what you’re going to get with football players talking basketball but I enjoyed it
Shady won this take and it's not even remotely close. Luka ain't that guy. If Mavs win the title in the next 2-3 years and Luka just in LA putting up great "stats" that will mean Dallas definitely won the trade. I dont see what we're debating here 🤷🏾
Chase asking how are the Mavs are going to score??? They literally just traded for the best 2 way player in the NBA.😂
Outside of Kyrie you don’t have anyone who can get their own shot or create shots for others (and Kyrie has always played best as a 2 and not a 1)
@@mylessmith8059u need to go watch some AD videos 😂😂.. he can do everything on the court my boi
@@mylessmith8059They have won against good teams without Kyrie. I don't know what you are taking about. They have one of the deepest bench in the NBA this season. they have won without Luka Kyrie, Lively, and Klay.
@@faervas1234 Regular season isn't the playoffs bro, you know this.
I don't think you understand how important it is to have guys who can get their own shot in the playoffs. The Mavs now only have Kyrie. Not that Kyrie sucks or anything, but Kyrie isn't a distributor, and he's very stoppable. Luka is actually unstoppable even by elite defenses, and he distributes with the best of em.
Man they giving Luka too much credit to only end up like James harden 😭
I don’t think you know basketball my guy :/
Luka could retire tomorrow and he'd be better than Harden. Harden always folded when his team needed it most. Even back to that 2012 Finals.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW 🧢..... James got MVP s how many Luka got 🤔....so no he can't retire today....
@@81clazzicexactly lol mfs just be talking.
@@81clazzic aaaaaaand Harden capped it off with a historic chokejob in a career filled with chokejobs. If anything, the MVP proves Harden was always just a regular season guy.
Bruh shady never lets anyone talk
He was the only one spitting facts lol
6:54 shady has entered the chat thank you SHADY
Im with Shady on this ..if he's already slow and lazy .. what happens after multiple injuries and ur still lazy
Shady talk 100 miles an hour😂
Best take I heard so far from Shady.
Luke probably has a serious drinking problem and refuses to get help. Nico doesn't want to disparage Luka so he's taking the hits. But, you don't initiate the trade for Luka without their being some serious issues the public isn't aware of.
Or Nico was drinking 😂
You're speculating and passing it off as truth.
@@InsightIgniteehaha Nico was for sure smoking on something while making this trade
There are some truths that will NEVER be placed in the media for protection of the subject matter or brand as they say. Jordan, most everyone's G.O.A.T. had a problem that led to his "retirement" after winning a 3 peat of championships. Jordan says he was tired. The NBA by all accounts, was behind this brief "retirement".....NO ONE SAW THAT COMING. We won't know the truth but life is built of parallels and is circular meaning human behavior repeats itself through different individuals. So I do not believe the comment is speculation. It aligns with truths of human nature. To dismiss it as speculation is captive thinking. Some truths make no sense. Just have to be accepted.
nico should get a statue lmao
Bro, this conversation was so good. So much energy and passion from these guys.
*Acho are you still sleeping around with you co workers , Joy Taylor?*
We have moved so past that. And that's not even something to clown him on. Thats a flex for him. So he's winning🤷🏿♂️
This is why four football guys shouldnt be talking about nba.
underrated comment
These guys are more on point than the Stephen A Smiths, Barclays and other commentators saying that Dallas should be happy with AD. AD’s history says it all. AD shows up half the time when he is healthy. And then when AD is healthy is a whole different topic. This was the stupidest trade in NBA history. The Mavs totally lost out. The Lakers totally won as they will win championships with Luka. The Mavs will be lucky to make it to the playoffs this year. The Mavs will be the laughing stock of the NBA for years to come.
@@Yehitsmepaul bro the Lakers won the trade, but dont act like AD is Hassan Whiteside (read it somewhere). Yes AD missed a lot of games in his 2nd 3rd and 4th year in LA, but last season he played 76 games and 5 in the playoffs, this season he only missed 5 games.
I guarantee you the Mavs will make it to the playoffs this year and at least for the next 2. Long term the Dallas lost for sure, short them its Dallas over Lakers. AD finally gets to play his beloved 4 next to Lively and Gafford, AD on 4 is a different animal.
Yall tripping 😂. If Dallas win their second championship because of the trade then they definitely winning the trade untill Luka wins 1 with the lakers. 1 ring with Dallas mins a whole lot more than 2 with lakers who got 18.
If. Lets see if they can win against okc. Denver. Suns. Wolves. Celtics.
@@hahayessir400OKC is still too young. Denver needs bench depth. The Suns don’t get me started. Timberwolves 😂. I can see the Celtics getting back to the NBA Finals this season, but it won’t be easy as it was last year.
Dallas ain't making the playoffs
Bro what make yall think this Dallas team finna win?😂
In 10 years, you're not looking back at 1 chip and saying, "yeah I'm glad we got rid of our home grown generational star for that." The reason the 2011 one was so special with Dirk was specifically because it was Dirk. He was drafted there, won MVPs there, had heartbreaks there, and then finally broke through.
Being a fan isn't just about winning chips, it's about the journey. Here, the journey is cheapened with this trade. You've built your team around 2 teamhoppers (AD and Kyrie) who are at the twilight of their careers. The Lakers had Kobe. Cavs had Kyrie and LeBron. Celtics had Tatum and Brown (and they had Pierce and Rondo for that 2008 one). Raptors had Lowry. Nuggets had Joker, Murray, MPJ. Bucks had Giannis and Middleton. The Heat had Wade. The Warriors had Klay, Steph, and Draymond. That's why those chips felt so fun for those franchises... they were with centerpiece guys who were drafted there. This will feel as empty as that Bubble Championship... ok cool, just a group of mercenaries who all want a chip, have no history with the team, and will be gone in 3 years.
Shady tripping. A huge part of them fans were fans to Luka.
Welp jus looked it up jus to prove a pt
His blocks n steals went up every yr smh
Has 191 career blocks n avg 1.1 steals a game
Only problem is transition defense when argues with the ref n leaves team 4 on 5 thats his only problem other than that he does give effort unlike Harden
Sooo Shady n Chase plz shhhhhhhh
JJ had to channel his inner Smokey from Friday with that let me talk mannnnnne 😂😂😂
Why do you have 4 football players talking basketball 😆
Because when yall get basketball players yall complain about that as well. He didn't get a ring, he ain't in the hall of fame, well he got a ring but he was on the bench, he didn't contribute. He wasnt nobody when he played...those complaints. Yaĺl want everything but nobody at once.
Iif Luca doesn't change one bit I'm taking him over 98 percent of the league
Even upper management got tired of Lukas complaining to the refs every damn time.
His value was still 10x what they got. No matter how much they hated Luka, why wouldn't they get everything they could for him? Why not call any other teams? Why did Nico only call his best buddy of 20 years, Pelinka? Corrupt league, idiotic fans, refs investigated, refs busted, and not a shred of credibility
They have to win the finals isn’t that the whole point of them making this trade in the first place ?
You realize they still should have got all of LAs picks and more. It's still a terrible trade value-wise.
Bro they have to win 2 rings but they gonna become Orlando Magic
As a mavs fan, winning without Luka is like winning without Dirk, or the bulls wining without Jordan
Thank you! Now it's just a bunch of mercenaries brought together for a couple years. It's empty. The reason championships mean something is also cause you had a bigtime guys on your roster who you drafted or at least had from an early age. The only exception to that in the last 20 years is the Bubble Championship and that's why it feels so empty.
man you just surround luka with mfs that play defense you don’t trade him 💀
Letting go of a 25 year old superstar in favor of a great defensive center who is injury prone and past his prime is insane. This is like trading KG for old worn down David Robinson...
Horrible comparison because Luka is nothing like KG. Luka is generational offensively but horrific defensively, while AD is great on both ends.
@@darksideon you're going by their playstyles, not what you're getting in return. I'm not comparing the players and their playstyles... i'm comparing their impact. This is like trading Harden or AI in his prime for KG toward the end of his playing days in Boston. AD is injury prone as well on his way out.
Ad is not broken down the world r u talking bout he just scored 42 n 23 last game he played he's been healthy the last two season and led lakers in all stats he is still in his prime yall stick to old takes keep up ad is still a top ten player
@ not in any order, SGA, Curry, Wemby, Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Ant, KD, JT, Brunson, Kyrie, etc.
Lakers traded AD 1 year early rather than 1 year too late. Lakers won this trade BIG time. This is one of the most lopsided trades in history i've ever seen. This is Herschel Walker type fleecing
Dallas MADE 4 TRADES LAST SEASON but yall wanna act like Luka just carried them when he DIDN'T
EXACTLYYYY if Nico didn't get PJ Washington and DG they prob wouldn't even been in the finals. They dont know ball!
Acho thinking 25 years old KD got traded. This is actually 25 year old James Harden that got traded. That is his comparison
No. Harden folded in the finals. They knew that was who he was. Luka is a proven world class clutch player.
Harden and Luka nothing alike!luka came in the league killing!never came off the bench
Horrible take gang lol
Did Harden lead his team to a Finals at age 25? I must be crazy cause I don't remember that happening. I remember KD and Russ leading OKC to the Finals and Harden having a terrible series. I also remember Corey Brewer and Josh Smith saving Harden from a historic choke vs the Clippers in 2015. That's Harden by age 25.
Luka hangs 30 PPG on excellent efficiency on virtually everyone. Put Kawhi and PG on him in their primes. Put Dort on him. Put everyone from the Wolves on him. Even the Celtics had to live with 27PPG on 47% shooting and they were loaded defensively.
Acho should see himself out of this program… always terrible AF😂
There's actually no way to win this trade.
This loss cannot be quantified. Luka's magic could established an everlasting legacy and prestige to this franchise. An identity that will make players wanna come here. Like there's so much to this that I don't even think our fans understand. Players would be like yeah this is the franchise that takes care of their home talent. We've lost profitablity and marketability. Jesus Christ
Acho always be trying to flex passive aggressively.
People talk about Luka like he's already top 5 all-time in the NBA. They talk like he has 3 MVPs and another couple are just a matter of time. As things stand right now, we don't know if Luka's career will be more Larry Bird or Carmelo Anthony. Will his career be more like Magic or will it be like Grant Hill? Allen Iverson made the Finals once and is a legend, but he's not top 5 all time. The Lakers demand championships. If Luka goes 3 years without winning the title, people will start calling for him to be traded.
If Luka was a Laker last year instead of this season he would already have one mvp lmao
Luka has accomplished more than almost any player in the history of the nba at 25. Is a championship promised? Nah but he’s on the trajectory to become an all time great and he gets better every season. Now he’s on the LAKERS u already know the league gone get him some chips cuz it’s good for ratings.
Nah. For all their issues, Lakers fans are loyal to their stars. They loved Shaq even when he wasn't winning. The reason Lebron gets more scrutiny is because of how much the team gave up to get him, and because he was way old, so he didn't really feel like a Laker. Luka is super young and so he'll be embraced by the city just like Shaq was.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW The Lakers didn't give up anything to get LeBron. LeBron was a free agent and chose the Lakers when they were struggling to win 20 games in a season and hadn't been to the playoffs in years.
@@DOUBLECW Yeah my bad, total brainfart lol. I think of LeBron more in the context of what they did after that first season. They got rid of all their pieces to get the guys they added in 2020 so there was a lot of pressure due to that. But yes, you're 100% right, they gave up nothing to sign him.
People are really overreacting to this trade.
I hate when football players talk about basketball lol
Y’all do realize by having no one to give a super max to, the Mavs probably have 100-150 million more dollars to play with? Thats about 20-30 million a year
Pieces are definitely coming to Texas 🤘🏾
@@Danadane4factsssss
Who they gonna get?....... jimmy butler?kd?resign kyrie? Like bruh, they pretty much traded away their future for a "last dance with kyie,klay,ad" no one is trading their own superstars like giannis,jokic,sga, or antman, what are the mavs gonna do? All that money and will never get a player of lukas caliber again.
@ they need solid role players defenders and shooters. A lot of free agents will come to one of best ran franchises in the league.
The Mac’s weren’t getting free agents before
Now they are huh 🤨
6:43 Shady, we are fans that's hurt. It don't matter how many rings we win. Nah man. We love our players. Its the Dirk effect and Luka was our next Dirk and was gonna surpass him. Dirk's 1 ring is so much sweeter than anything else because he was ours.
What if you mangle in cooper flagg or kid from byu
When have you heard of NBA superstars waiting in line to play with Luka? They also are not flocking to Dallas either. Dallas either drafts talent or trade for it. He had to go to LA, that's the only he could attract free agents
I actually agree with Shady! I can't believe it 😂 21:56
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Let’s go Mavs!!!
Y’all should only talk about football on this show cause yall basketball takes are trash
Has anyone seen the 60/21/10 game you cant talk about hustle like he just did that to the knicks.
Idk yall sound like y’all don’t watch basketball this is Luka he is 25!!
Acho be clueless on every take. Luka aint that guy bruh😂😂😂
You just hate to see a white guy ballin
Yeah "he aint that guy" but he got traded for AD and people still think the Mavs got cheated. That's how great Luka is.
@ when you are a top 5 NBA player I’m sorry you are that guy
You dont know anything about basketball huh
Luka a Top 15 player all time is CRAAAAZZZZYYYY. 0% chance. guy plays no defense.
Front offices are so important in team sports. When teams when the chip, it's because moves are made to get them that chip. If the Lakers don't make the right moves, Luka will be good and not win a chip. Same for Dallas, so I reserve judgement based on what each team does to build around the pieces they traded for.
Luka doncic trading card value just took a hit.
No collector could have felt this coming! Ugh!
Only way LAL wins a championship in the next generation is if they surround Luka with 4 of the PERFECT complimentary players, + a above average bench, and if Luka makes some changes where he’s not missing half the season to injuries. All Boston had to do last finals was shut down Luka and the mavs were toast.
Bro nobody was beating that Boston team. Which had no adversity even getting to the finals.
lmaoooooo luka carried mavs to the finals on one leg, couldnt even move well vs Boston, and ur bum ahh talking like he needs 4 all nba players to have a chance😂 u are clowns
Except the Celtics didn't shut Luka down lol. He torched em for 27 PPG on 47% shooting (led the series in steals too btw). He's the only Mavs player who really did anything tbh. Really it came down to the rest of the team not being as good as the Celtics.
If you were to lay out the best players on both teams, the top one would be Luka, then it's Tatum, then Brown, then maybe Kyrie, then like 5 Celtics players. The Celtics were loaded and that's why they ran through the league.
Shady had a great take
The Facility had an interesting appeal when it was NFL season because all the guys were in the NFL. When it comes to basketball, it really is just an ordinary fan show.
2:46 It's wild that Acho is comparing Luka to Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan and KD. All of thoae guys had INSANE discipline and work ethics. Luka is a great talent, but has been criticized for years about his habits & conditioning. Add to that that he throws tantrums on the court and is a cone & major liability on defense. As special as he is offensively, its hard to trust him with 340 million. The Mavs getting demolished by Boston last year and his injury this year helped to prove that.
Mavs also were in the finals last year and Luka also averaged 30/10/7 that whole series, No other player in the history of the game ever made to the finals at age 25 as the number one option, Not Jordan Not Kobe Not Lebron Not Duncan and certainly not KD lol.
Luka was better than all of them from 16 years to now. Better than all of them
Except Luka is way better and more successful than those players at the same age. Jordan couldn't make finals, Kobe wasn't the best player on his own team, Lebron has an argument, Duncan had a much better team around him, KD 😂 don't make me laugh.
@@djkido316 let me introduce you to a person we like to call “LeBron in 07”😂 that’s the 29 of 30 and 25 straight points scored to defeat the Pistons. He was 21 and also lost 4-1 to a superior team with better talent. LeBron didn’t even amhave a Kyrie level player in ‘07.
@djkido316 ya'll love to cite these averages and stats but ignore the reality that EVERYONE scores more points in today's game because most teams just chuck 3s and play no defense! Trash teams are scoring 120. So the numbers in this era don't mean as much to me if it doesn't amount to winning.
If last year's Celtics dog walked the Mavs, what do you think would have happened to Luka if he had to go against the legendary players and teams that Jordan, TD, Kobe and Bron had to face?
Shady and Jones was spot on with there takes..... Luka done have that passion to wanting it badly like a Kobe and MJ after failure
Andy Reid also has Mahomeboy too!
Why Are They Not Giving The Real Credit To Kyrie Irving. 4 Times To The Championship and Winner Of 1. I Live In Dallas. We Knew Kyrie Was The Real Leader.
He wasn't in Boston 😂
Think the other way around-even if Dallas win a chip in next years,one could say that you would win that same chip with Luka also.And the other scenario is that in the next 5 years both those teams win one chip each..Even in that scenario you lost that trade because in 5 years Luka will be only 30 yo and all of your other best players will be way over 35 yo:kyrie,ad,klay and you could say that with Luka you would now have 2 chips in dallas,not just one...its a loss -loss situation!
Yeaaa Shady talk to em! Sound like fans! "He a fan, he a fan, he a fan!" hahahaha
Acho got trash takes on basketball
Melo was great offensively, but we saw how his career went.....
With all due respect, Melo's game was never as nice as Luka's, which is why the highlight of his NBA career is a WCF appearance. Luka is a better passer, rebounder, and yes... better shooter. Melo was better at shooting free throws and that's it.
I find myself fast-forwarding ACHO’s takes.
Luka been pro since he was 16 his body is NOT HOLDING UP LIKE LEBRON ….. he has no muscle definition at all he willl not last 10 years as the number 1 player lmao thank you
He doesn't have to. Even if he stayed a #1 for 7-8 years, that'd be awesome. LeBron is an exception, not the rule. You're supposed to start breaking down at age 33-34. It's just life. Even MJ was having knee issues in that 2nd threepeat, it happens.
I’m a die hard Lakers fan from Los Angeles and have idolized Kobe Bean Bryant since in was a baby. Yet still, Luka Doncic as an INDIVIDUAL PLAYER has accomplished greater feats than Kobe did in his first 6 seasons. Luka was First Team at 20 and Kobe was not All-NBA First until he was 23. Luka had as many First Team selections as Steph has had in his career in the number of year it took Steph to earn his first selection. Had Luka had a Shaquille O’Neal in Dallas, he would’ve won championships already without question. Luka has as much talent and killer instinct as Kobe Bryant, far less work ethic (because rarely anyone ever comes closer).
Daniels and Jj was talking like they feelings involved
17:33 SHADY DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT.
2:42 you still comparing Luka to all time greats that played both sides of the ball. Luka is not on their level. Please stop this BS.
They can win 2 chips and still lose the trade by a mile. Having doncic a global superstar over a decade is worth more than 2 chips. The bond with him was special.
Kobe had three 7ft players and the 6th man of the year for the tenure , not the same for Luka give him towers and a 6th man of the year player
Luka been pro since he was 16 his body is NOT HOLDING UP LIKE LEBRON ….. he has no muscle definition at all
And yet he averaged 34/10/9 last season also played 100 games including the playoffs lol.
Neither does Jokic
Acho is 100% correct
🎶 “Oh they traded my BROTHHHHHHAAAAAA”🎶 - Shady “Taka” McCoy IYKYK
Acho COULD be wrong because the Eagles have been to 3 Super Bowls since And Reid left, but so far - lost to Reid, so Reid won as of now - but The Eagles did not lose out completely.
Rich Paul 0:33
Gotta be one one of the dumbest basketball conversations I've ever heard
I think the Mavs overestimate how good this roster is without Luka. That's just the truth. They've been spoiled by having a guy you could just hand the ball to and that can go get buckets against even the most elite defenses in the playoffs. Even in his "down" series vs the Celtics, the man scored 27 PPG on 47% shooting. I get his defense needs work, but even with that, he led the Finals in steals among all players. He was one of the top rebounders too. I just don't think he was the reason they lost. They faced a far superior team, and they got exposed. Thing is, there's no shame in that... the Celtics won 64 games and ran through EVERYBODY. They'd been knocking on the door to win a chip for like 5 years lol.
Imo, the Mavs lost this trade as soon as it happened. They're not winning a chip with this roster. Even if Luka falls off, they still failed to shop him around to maximize what you could get for him. We'll never know what teams would've offered for him. Instead, they've hitched their wagon to AD (will be 32 next month, and was injured 3 of the past 4 seasons), Kyrie (will be 33 next month, and has been injured pretty much every season since turning 25), and Klay (age 34 and decimated by the Achilles). By doing this, the Mavs have shortened their championship window to 2 years, not just cause of the ages of Kyrie and AD, but also because Kyrie may not ever re-sign with the Mavs. He strikes me as the kind of guy to take this move by the Mavs personally considering he re-signed with them for 3 years under the reasonable impression he'd be playing with Luka.
They need 2 championships in the next 4-5 years. They don't have the assets to build for the long run and have pretty much burned any goodwill from their fans and NBA players.
Even if Luka would have never won a championship in Dallas, he was loyal and a cornerstone player that would have kept the Mavs relevant for the next 10 years.
Results were different because Gaff and PJ was added don’t forget we drafted Lively.
quick win - Lakers team and Luka managed his weight. I believe all great things follow.
People need to ignore the championships for a moment and understand, that he wanted to stay in Dallas, possibly till the end of his career, how rare is that in todays NBA? Superstars are running from team to team focusing on their own benefits and here you had someone that actually wanted to stay loyal to the club, the fans and the town, but got dumped anyway.
More than anything, the Mavs lost their reputation with this trade and that alone puts them on the losing end.
Acho is correct on this one
All i know as a Laker fan but a LeBron hater, I'm glad i got a reason to watch my Lakers again
I can't believe I'm saying this... Shady is right. If they win a championship within 2 years the Mavericks made a good trade.
We would have to have a deep break down to for sure about the finals. Ive heard on another show say using the stats that the celtics won because they were better offensively. The team defensively was good enough. Mavs didnt put up the points
Honestly a championship might not be enough. The mavs probably messed up their potential revenue profits from Luka so bad that it may take them 6+ years for them to make up for it
Never let Shady talk basketball please!!!!
Bottomline, Dallas didn't think Luka was worth the supermax after coming into THIS season OUT OF SHAPE (AGAIN).
People forgetting what if the lakers meet the mavs in the playoffs and Luka sends the mavs home think about how the fan base would feel sheeeshhhh
They need to bring in some basketball analysts for these topics lol