They've done away with the destruction of technology, culture, art. They've done away with lingering, painful deaths. They've limited the death tolls to levels that allow both worlds to continue to function. In short, they've done away with everything that would cause the populace as a whole (if indoctrinated) and the elites in particular to want to avoid war. They've made war banal, sterile, and bearable (on the large and long scale). They haven't made the horror more quiet so much as they've invented a worse kind of horror: the kind you can BS people into putting up with.
It’s so clean and painless - it makes death uncannily easy. For warriors, like Klingons, that’s no fun at all; it’s boring and cheap. Pain is stimulating, thus bringing new experiences, such as, suffering, PTSD, and much more. Despite the horribleness it brings, pain stimulates change or creativity. For example, amputations spurs cybernetic technologies, specifically biotic limbs and eyes, including psychological health research - something the Eminians and Vendikarians missed out for 500 years.
His commanding officer and BFF is missing and in danger. Spock gets especially dangerous when this happens. This is Spock at his most Kirklike. When Kirk is in extreme danger is when you're most likely to see Spock go full feral Vulcan on things. Sometimes he had to remind us how the Vulcans were able to terrorize both the quadrant and themselves before the rise of Surak.
Well, that was the problem. They'd made war a little too sanitary, a little too peaceful. Thereby proving the point of whoever said "It is good war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."
@@Willaev Very similar to what I was thinking: without a draft, it's just people from economically depressed areas that join the military and fight, are injured and die in wars. The rest can ignore it. Someone once said that it's a way to get rid of the surplus male population. Seems like that's what Russia is doing today in sending untrained males to war.
The Original Series was hit and miss, with a few absolutely brilliant episodes and some that just didn't need to have happened. Stilll it served its purpose admirably and introduced several memes and concepts that reshaped the world in its own image. The Armageddon Game happens to be one of the top 3 best Strek episodes IMHO, and by that I mean out of ALL Star Trek, not just TOS.
@@hagamapama Just in TOS i'd put ahead of this episode(in no particular order) Where No man has gone before--Balance of Terror--City on the Edge of Forever--Mirror Mirror--Doomsday Machine--Wolf in the Fold--Patterns of Force so obviously our thought processes are different.
And then afterwards finishes the work Kirk started by negotiating an actual peace treaty, pacifying the entire sector. Robert Fox's name would be associated with the success he accomplished here, and I'm sure Mr. Scott did feature prominently in his report to the Federation Central just like he threatened, although perhaps not the way he intended it when he spoke.
“Lieutenant Commander Montgomery Scott, Chief Engineering Officer temporarily in command of _Enterprise,_ refused to obey my order to lower the ship’s deflector screens after what was (falsely) claimed by Eminian Chairman Anan Seven to have been an inadvertent attack upon the ship. Scott’s judgment was ultimately proven to be correct, as the Eminians’ duplicity would have resulted in the destruction of the ship and failure of my diplomatic mission, had he obeyed my order. By his actions, Mr. Scott made it possible for Captain Kirk and his party to convince Anan Seven to initiate peace talks between Eminiar VII and Vendikar.” -Robert Fox
This is one of my favorite episodes. What a great story they told, still relevant today. What kind of monster are you? You said it yourself. I'm a savage.
"I don't need my ship for that." "You mean alone, armed with a disrupter you can destroy this planet?!" "That's exactly what I mean." I would have liked to have seen something like that in a Star Trek movie, but they wasted our time with the Search For Spock trilogy.
@@sandal_thong8631 Thing is, Kirk probably could do that. The Emenians seem rather naive about what a Starfleet officer can do if he gets loose on your planet.
That's exactly what they're doing. And Kirk just happens to be the one with the balls to not put up with the bullshit. They want war, they should have it all. It's all or nothing with war, that's why any sane person should want none of it.
@@hagamapama "This planet must become united." -"A Piece of the Action" They needed an episode or movie to show how Earth went to a one-world government. The subtext is that Khan and his ilk took over a third of the countries and either started a world war or began to fight amongst themselves. But WWIII is mentioned a couple of times, so maybe we survived "having it out" before uniting.
I've generally liked the no-frills functional designs of weaponry on TOS, but I particularly like the Eminian sonic disruptor pistols. The props are later recycled into Klingon phasers, but this original version is elegant in its streamlined simplicity. The sonic emitter is a particularly nice touch on the part of the designer --- a crystal set within the array of projection vanes presumably functioning to focus and direct the sonic pulse into a tight unidirectional wave. Somebody really put some thought into how a sonic weapon might be built and how it would work. I wonder if this was one of Wah Chang's creations for the series.
An interesting little note: the weapons they use here are probably the most realistic depiction of what a laser gun would actually look like. No shiny laser bolt, just point it at something and heat it till it explodes
But even better at the end, when Eminiar realizes that he is screwed in the ende ans Ambassador Fox offered to help and says I have some small experience in these matters. So he was not useless and stepped up
This episode is quite possibly the most brilliant plot the writers of Star Trek ever concocted -- a society that had, by cleansing war of all its most horrible aspects (aside from death), managed to perpetuate it indefinitely.
Anan 7: Our war is clean and nice. You must play nicely. Kirk: You want war? I'll givr you war and show you how nasty it really is. Sort your shit out or else.
Star War fans will remember Episode 2 on diplomacy. “You call this a diplomatic solution?” Anakin would ask Spock. Padme would respond and even Spock would agree. “I call it aggressive negotiation!” As Senator Amidala would say.
If they can rationalize the horrors of war to a lesser evil than they can rationalize that their war is literally the definition of something being pointless.
Fox's mission was to get some kind of port or Starbase in the area to prevent the loss of Federation ships that had been happening. Maybe it would take some time to sort out Aminear and Vendicar's issues, but it looks like the mission will succeed. As a result I think Scotty won't be sent to a Penal Colony and the report would be favorable to the Enterprise crew.
I love that line, "Please step away from the chamber or you may be injured." Spock, you mean the same chamber they were willing stepping into for execution?"
What the hell happened to the prime directive? Distasteful or not, their system of waging war was their own concern. Kirk could make a case for evacuating his people from the situation, but had absolutely NO RIGHT to force his idea of war on the planets involved. IF the federation really believed in the prime directive, Kirk should have been court martialed and drummed out of the service. OR... Considering how many times they broke their most sacred rule, Roddenberry should have NEVER dreamt up the prime directive in the first place!!!
Well sounds like an idea for a sequel movie. Both cultures get ticked off years later for what Kirk did so they join forces and decide to attack Earth if Kirk isn't court-martialed. Point keep your nose our of our business.
The Prime Directive was abandoned the moment the ambassador ordered Kirk to approach the planet. Once the Enterprise was threatened, Kirk had to get involved. And he didn't force his idea of war on them, he forced them to consider peace. Anyhoo...an episode where they didn't violate the Prime Directive at least once would be pretty damn boring.
These were space-faring races that had united their respective worlds. The Prime Directive normally applies to primitive, undeveloped races and worlds, like the Roman "Bread and Circuses" and Nazi "Patterns of Force" planets, and village-vs-hill people "A Private Little War" world . For some reason (the Organian Peace Treaty?) they and the Klingons interfered for development rights in the world in "Friday's Child."
Has anyone ever noticed that aliens or beings from any other world in the entire universe -- as far as hollywood is concerned -- always seem to know perfect english?! 😂😂
At that time subspace communacation were quite slower than max warp. The captains had a greater responsability. Plus the prime directive is kinda stupid in some cases and we've seen Picard hide behind it often.
The Prime Directive is for primitive civilizations, not this one. But it had to change some after the Organian Peace Treaty allowed the Klingons and Federation to interfere with non-space-faring races like in "Friday's Child."
@@tomf3150 I agree with the first part, but they added the second later. Some worlds that were advanced and mostly united were either part of the Federation or interacted with them. In some cases Kirk wasn't allowed to interfere "The Cloud Minders" not because of the Prime Directive, but because of the diplomatic situation.
This episode makes me think of the Israeli - Arab conflict that never ends... The Arabs launch a strike, Israel retaliates The U.N. brokers a cease fire so it can start again... Eventually the world will have to allow one side or the other to win this war instead of letting it drag out for decades...
The Israeli's made peace with the Egyptians and both leaders were killed by a fanatic on their own side. Palastine should have done the same, but I think Arafat was afraid of being killed by a fanatic on his own side, too. Ordering missile attacks and suicide (or remote-controlled) bombings are a sign of weakness.
The computerisation of war, thus the removal of its terrible aspects (i.e. propaganda, war crimes, and warmongering), made it clean and painless for the Eminians (including their enemies, the Vendikarians). Such comfort and convenience also permeated into more than just war itself. The Eminians’ standard weaponry, called disruptors, are sonic weapons, using high frequency sound waves to disorient/disable living beings or shatter objects. No flames, no flashes, and no gunpowder. Armour plating, whether metallic, fibrous or ceramic (i.e. kevlar), is thus useless and redundant, shielding technology very likely an instant violation of the treaty between the Eminians and Vendikarians. Even their clothes/fashion reflects their culture. The robes, sashes/half-overalls, and headwear are ceremonial or formal - nothing is designed for practical or military usage. By contrast, the Starfleet uniforms have a few frills (i.e. rank cuffs and badge), but the shirt and trousers are comfortable (aside from a particular manoeuvre), practical, and simple enough, nonetheless. The only piece of practical Eminian clothing is their black skin tight jumpsuits and shoes underneath. The only practicality I could wager with the headwear is protection among the confined spaces, although the ceilings are high enough, and the general architecture has no sharp corners/turns. There is also an apparent lack of smart gadgets (i.e. personal AIs and smartwatches), suggesting a technological stagnation - 500 years is an abundant amount of time for scientific innovation and development.
Those are conservatives you're talking about, actually. Liberals are able to learn and change with the circumstances, as Ambassador Fox does -- something no conservative is capable of. Sorry if reality doesn't suit you.
I would have liked this episode better if it weren't for the violent, high handed methods of the heroes. They threatened to commit genocide, for God's sake. Also, their right to interfere in these people's affairs was questionable. To a degree, the original Star Trek reflected the mindset of imperial America--intervene everywhere, make everyone do things our way etc.
The issue wasn't about doing things their way, it was about not giving their lives to do it the Eminian way. Without it, the Enterprise was in no danger
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"Diplomats! The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank!" Great Scotty moments in this episode.
Scotty was a rock star in this one.
"I can have you sent to a penal colony!"
"That you can, sir. But I won't lower the screens."
Scotty is a big fan of "Gunboat Diplomacy". I tend to agree.
"Agreeable terms have not been met. Release the nukes... um, I mean diplomats!"
"We have done away with all that."
No. You haven't. You've just made the horror more quiet.
I love the way you worded that. I know of no horror that can be carried out quietly.
They've done away with the destruction of technology, culture, art. They've done away with lingering, painful deaths. They've limited the death tolls to levels that allow both worlds to continue to function. In short, they've done away with everything that would cause the populace as a whole (if indoctrinated) and the elites in particular to want to avoid war.
They've made war banal, sterile, and bearable (on the large and long scale). They haven't made the horror more quiet so much as they've invented a worse kind of horror: the kind you can BS people into putting up with.
It’s so clean and painless - it makes death uncannily easy. For warriors, like Klingons, that’s no fun at all; it’s boring and cheap. Pain is stimulating, thus bringing new experiences, such as, suffering, PTSD, and much more. Despite the horribleness it brings, pain stimulates change or creativity. For example, amputations spurs cybernetic technologies, specifically biotic limbs and eyes, including psychological health research - something the Eminians and Vendikarians missed out for 500 years.
"Peculiar form of diplomacy."
One of my favorite quotes from Spock.
He knew how to use a fully loaded phaser.
@@zitacarno4443 Disrupter!
His commanding officer and BFF is missing and in danger. Spock gets especially dangerous when this happens. This is Spock at his most Kirklike.
When Kirk is in extreme danger is when you're most likely to see Spock go full feral Vulcan on things. Sometimes he had to remind us how the Vulcans were able to terrorize both the quadrant and themselves before the rise of Surak.
"By now, Mr. Ambassador, I'm sure you realize that normal diplomatic procedures are ineffective here" This will require Cowboy Diplomacy.
"Do you perceive that the probability of success is in your favor, delinquent youth?"
Aggressive Negotiation as Senator Amidala of Star Wars would say!
Just shows how much that Mr. spock has learned from his captain
Well, that was the problem. They'd made war a little too sanitary, a little too peaceful. Thereby proving the point of whoever said "It is good war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."
Robert E.Lee, if you were curious.
@@hagamapama
At Fredricksburg, I believe ....
And now we’ve done the same thing for real for decades since WW2. As long as we keep the body counts low, we can be in a constant state of war.
now known as drone strikes
@@Willaev Very similar to what I was thinking: without a draft, it's just people from economically depressed areas that join the military and fight, are injured and die in wars. The rest can ignore it. Someone once said that it's a way to get rid of the surplus male population. Seems like that's what Russia is doing today in sending untrained males to war.
Superb episode! Very dark and serious but never depressing! The Original Series was awesome.
The Original Series was hit and miss, with a few absolutely brilliant episodes and some that just didn't need to have happened. Stilll it served its purpose admirably and introduced several memes and concepts that reshaped the world in its own image.
The Armageddon Game happens to be one of the top 3 best Strek episodes IMHO, and by that I mean out of ALL Star Trek, not just TOS.
@@hagamapama Just in TOS i'd put ahead of this episode(in no particular order) Where No man has gone before--Balance of Terror--City on the Edge of Forever--Mirror Mirror--Doomsday Machine--Wolf in the Fold--Patterns of Force so obviously our thought processes are different.
This one was worthy of being a movie. But it would cost more to film outdoors with crowds.
@@hagamapama Utter horse shit. There are more classic episodes of sci-fi in TOS than TNG and voyager combined.
I miss Trek when it was still Trek
“I’ve never been a soldier, Mr. Spock, but I learn very quickly.”
-Ambassador Robert Fox transitions from “ambASSador” to “amBADASSador”.
then shortly afterwards , leaves his assistant dead on the floor... :-/
*chokes on Saurian brandy*
@@helpfulsysops3593 If you want to win badly enough, you can't stop for tea time, or other frivolities.
And then afterwards finishes the work Kirk started by negotiating an actual peace treaty, pacifying the entire sector. Robert Fox's name would be associated with the success he accomplished here, and I'm sure Mr. Scott did feature prominently in his report to the Federation Central just like he threatened, although perhaps not the way he intended it when he spoke.
“Lieutenant Commander Montgomery Scott, Chief Engineering Officer temporarily in command of _Enterprise,_ refused to obey my order to lower the ship’s deflector screens after what was (falsely) claimed by Eminian Chairman Anan Seven to have been an inadvertent attack upon the ship.
Scott’s judgment was ultimately proven to be correct, as the Eminians’ duplicity would have resulted in the destruction of the ship and failure of my diplomatic mission, had he obeyed my order. By his actions, Mr. Scott made it possible for Captain Kirk and his party to convince Anan Seven to initiate peace talks between Eminiar VII and Vendikar.”
-Robert Fox
David Opatoshu turns in one of the best guest-starring performances in TOS.
This is one of my favorite episodes. What a great story they told, still relevant today.
What kind of monster are you?
You said it yourself. I'm a savage.
The Rothchild Banking system is savage.
"a barbarian."
This shows how good the acting was.
Great episode. The security people were actually competent and none of them fell for the people hidden around corners and doorways.
This episode goes to show why the original Star Trek was, and still is, the best of them. Top of the heap.
"I didn't start it, Councilman, but I'm liable to finish it."
And Kirk's reply was "I'm a barbarian...you said it yourself."
The reference being earlier in the episode when Anon 7 called Kirk a barbarian.
When your soldiers look like demented chess pieces,you know Kirk is gonna whup ya.
Through the looking glass.
"I don't need my ship for that."
"You mean alone, armed with a disrupter you can destroy this planet?!"
"That's exactly what I mean."
I would have liked to have seen something like that in a Star Trek movie, but they wasted our time with the Search For Spock trilogy.
@@sandal_thong8631 Thing is, Kirk probably could do that. The Emenians seem rather naive about what a Starfleet officer can do if he gets loose on your planet.
@@sandal_thong8631
KIRK: "Just let me talk to your war computer for a minute."
@@Donleecartoons I don't think it has that kind of A.I. interface with people.
Great episode of star trek.
1 of the best sci fi series ever.
In a way, it's like the planets are playing a giant game of Battleship
Coral Roper No? Really!
That's exactly what they're doing. And Kirk just happens to be the one with the balls to not put up with the bullshit. They want war, they should have it all. It's all or nothing with war, that's why any sane person should want none of it.
"You sunk my civilization."
The excellent character actor David Opatoshu was excellent in projecting his desperation as Anan 7.
"Someone tell me what I should do!"
Anon 7 was one of the best bit characters in TOS. Easy to see things from his perspective even if you can't agree with iy.
A maturity warning on this video? Strange to me. Great episode. A classic for sure, one of my favorites of original series.
This was a really interesting episode to me. Very thought provoking...sci-fi as it should be.
Scifi as it NEEDS to be. The best scifi asks questions without spoon feeding the answers.
@@hagamapama Kirk gives us the answer: Either do the real thing or put a stop to the killing.
@@sandal_thong8631 Yeah, but not spoonfed. It goes to the trouble of explaining WHY.
@@hagamapama "This planet must become united." -"A Piece of the Action"
They needed an episode or movie to show how Earth went to a one-world government. The subtext is that Khan and his ilk took over a third of the countries and either started a world war or began to fight amongst themselves. But WWIII is mentioned a couple of times, so maybe we survived "having it out" before uniting.
One of the best episodes in the series.
Real 60's pyrotechnics look better than a lot of today's CGI
Spock was negotiating like Corben Dallas.
I love how the prime directive allows for the eradication of a planet. 😂
As does out current defense policy of MAD
Greatest show of all time (and space).
after "what kind of monster are you?" at the end, Kirk replies, "I'm a barbarian, you said it yourself". This vid skips that great part at the end!
steve salzano annoying, isn't it
steve salzano - DAMN!!! I hate that!!! I always miss the best part!!!
"I had hoped I was being figurative". "No no, you were quite accurate. I intend to prove it to you".
Appropriately, a link to "Discovery" videos pops up immediately after the line finishes.
th-cam.com/video/Ysk-jF4ptQA/w-d-xo.html
This prompted me to go watch the entire episode on Netflix. Brought back a lot of memories.
Yes, I remember when I use to watch Netflix too.
The Armageddon Game is easily one one of the best single episodes in all of scifi
I've never seen redshirts being so useful! Also couldn't help but notice Klingon disrupters in TOS have the exact same sound.
Not to mention the same sounds made from the planet killer.
I'm glad to see that popinjay was able to adapt to the situation.
I've generally liked the no-frills functional designs of weaponry on TOS, but I particularly like the Eminian sonic disruptor pistols. The props are later recycled into Klingon phasers, but this original version is elegant in its streamlined simplicity. The sonic emitter is a particularly nice touch on the part of the designer --- a crystal set within the array of projection vanes presumably functioning to focus and direct the sonic pulse into a tight unidirectional wave. Somebody really put some thought into how a sonic weapon might be built and how it would work. I wonder if this was one of Wah Chang's creations for the series.
Now that's a proper Star Trek episode.
An interesting little note: the weapons they use here are probably the most realistic depiction of what a laser gun would actually look like.
No shiny laser bolt, just point it at something and heat it till it explodes
More like Scalar weaponary, scalar is what Tesla produced and experimented with, which he based on a Scottish scientist's discovery of scalar waves.
@@RealityTrailers Sc-scalar?
Bf2BC flashbacks 😱
"Monster? " Look who's talking.
Yo CBS! That's Star Trek!
"I've never been a soldier, Mr Spock. But I learn very quickly."
There's a beast in every man. And it stirs when you put a sword in his hand.
But even better at the end, when Eminiar realizes that he is screwed in the ende ans Ambassador Fox offered to help and says I have some small experience in these matters. So he was not useless and stepped up
This episode is quite possibly the most brilliant plot the writers of Star Trek ever concocted -- a society that had, by cleansing war of all its most horrible aspects (aside from death), managed to perpetuate it indefinitely.
More of his famed "cowboy diplomacy". Classic.
"Yippie Kai Yay Mother..."
Sorry. Wrong franchise. :)
Clear evidence that Mr. Spock has learned much from his Captain. They did a lot of learning from each other over the years.
1:09 "Surely, you can see the position we're in. "
"I CAN see. And don't call me Shirley. "
Anan 7: Our war is clean and nice. You must play nicely.
Kirk: You want war? I'll givr you war and show you how nasty it really is. Sort your shit out or else.
The two red shirts survived by changing clothes. 😁
This was a great episode.
Spock was taking command of the sitch-ee-ashon now!
No redshirts were harmed in the filming of this particular episode.
Loved this episode :)
0:08 *... of PLAAAAAAAA nets!!*
I remember explaining to my grandfather the plot of this episode. his response "que 'stan pendejos o que?"
Injured? I was just about to be disintegrated until you showed up!
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Star War fans will remember Episode 2 on diplomacy. “You call this a diplomatic solution?” Anakin would ask Spock. Padme would respond and even Spock would agree. “I call it aggressive negotiation!” As Senator Amidala would say.
TOS is still pretty darned good. William Shatner is now 94 and want's to be Captain Kirk one more time on the screen. Yeah, I'm up for that.
...and at the 8-second mark the Special Representative of the United Federation of Planets jumps an octave.
❤excellent episode 😊
1:24 "My People are not responsible for your agreements."
- Very true, they should have visiting diplomatic immunity.
If a real tri-cobolt satellite had materialized near the Enterprise and exploded would the ship have been lost?
Many, many men are not frightened by the horrors of war and continue to practice it.
The costume dept had fun on this ep. Or just used all the left overs laying around.
I miss Trek when it was still Trek.
When Kirk just says I am a killer but I will not kill TODAY
If they can rationalize the horrors of war to a lesser evil than they can rationalize that their war is literally the definition of something being pointless.
Bruh, you guys chose to involve the Enterprise in your "war", rather than allow it to remain a neutral party. Your fault.
Hahaaa I'm a barbarian!! You said it yourself...hahaaa.:))))
Spock, like a boss!
I used to think Fox was annoying. Then I remembered Baris.
Friggin' tribbles ate my grain !!!
Fox's mission was to get some kind of port or Starbase in the area to prevent the loss of Federation ships that had been happening. Maybe it would take some time to sort out Aminear and Vendicar's issues, but it looks like the mission will succeed. As a result I think Scotty won't be sent to a Penal Colony and the report would be favorable to the Enterprise crew.
Hey! That was Patty Duke's dad you insulted.
I swore that the guy with the goatee called Captain Kirk “Shirley”!
The Ambassador is wearing a table cloth.
I love that line, "Please step away from the chamber or you may be injured." Spock, you mean the same chamber they were willing stepping into for execution?"
'This' required signing in for? you've got to be kidding
me.
Spock knows Kirk is an incurable tomcat hound dog.
What the hell happened to the prime directive? Distasteful or not, their system of waging war was their own concern. Kirk could make a case for evacuating his people from the situation, but had absolutely NO RIGHT to force his idea of war on the planets involved. IF the federation really believed in the prime directive, Kirk should have been court martialed and drummed out of the service.
OR... Considering how many times they broke their most sacred rule, Roddenberry should have NEVER dreamt up the prime directive in the first place!!!
Well sounds like an idea for a sequel movie. Both cultures get ticked off years later for what Kirk did so they join forces and decide to attack Earth if Kirk isn't court-martialed. Point keep your nose our of our business.
The Prime Directive was abandoned the moment the ambassador ordered Kirk to approach the planet. Once the Enterprise was threatened, Kirk had to get involved. And he didn't force his idea of war on them, he forced them to consider peace.
Anyhoo...an episode where they didn't violate the Prime Directive at least once would be pretty damn boring.
These were space-faring races that had united their respective worlds. The Prime Directive normally applies to primitive, undeveloped races and worlds, like the Roman "Bread and Circuses" and Nazi "Patterns of Force" planets, and village-vs-hill people "A Private Little War" world . For some reason (the Organian Peace Treaty?) they and the Klingons interfered for development rights in the world in "Friday's Child."
Mr Spock is a space sailor.
General Order 24 Baby!!!
Has anyone ever noticed that aliens or beings from any other world in the entire universe -- as far as hollywood is concerned -- always seem to know perfect english?! 😂😂
My god,William Shatner is beautiful beyond belief 💖
Some chicken have feathers, others have diplomatic immunity...
the more you watch STTOS & NG the more you realize how hollow the Prime Directive really is
At that time subspace communacation were quite slower than max warp. The captains had a greater responsability. Plus the prime directive is kinda stupid in some cases and we've seen Picard hide behind it often.
The Prime Directive is for primitive civilizations, not this one. But it had to change some after the Organian Peace Treaty allowed the Klingons and Federation to interfere with non-space-faring races like in "Friday's Child."
ok if you could build star treck engines would you ?
Hes a barbarian!! He said it himself!!!
What kind of monster would have millions of his people walk into death chambers day after day, year after year?
Kirk did the best thing.
I wish I had the power to disable people by a tap on the back🤣
Are they breaking the Prime Directive ?
Big Time!
No. Prime directive was void from the begining. This is a warp civilization.
@@tomf3150 I agree with the first part, but they added the second later. Some worlds that were advanced and mostly united were either part of the Federation or interacted with them. In some cases Kirk wasn't allowed to interfere "The Cloud Minders" not because of the Prime Directive, but because of the diplomatic situation.
Lá em Santarém
Anybody else noticed that all the bad guys in TOS and STNG ALMOST ALWAYS REMIND YOU OF DEMOCRATS?
I'm captain kirk!
Nooooo...
I thought the ambassadr looked fimiliar. Isnt that picards brother.
Foi terrível pra eu sair de lá mais consegui.
E o barco saiu e eu fiquei lá por engano.
Ladies and gentlemen please move quickly away from the disintegration chamber or you may be hurt.
red shirts performed well ... for once
Look up our MAD of the Cold War .
Mutually Assured Destruction
Yes. F**k both planets first im saving my crew lol
400 people on the starship..not 500 found the ad lib flaw
430
Passengers??
"There's over 400 guys there."
"That's your story, mister." "I only saw three guys on that ship! Maybe there ain't no more!" Musical exclamation here.
"What kind of monster are you?"
A horn dog.
Cowboy diplomacy ;)
shoot you are wasting time...
mr fox ha ha the guy is out of touch with reality . soldiers have to save the day. aka kirk and spock.
Russians attacked today. Need to stop watching Star Trek and report to disintegration machine over at the mall today. That would suck.
This episode makes me think of the Israeli - Arab conflict that never ends...
The Arabs launch a strike, Israel retaliates
The U.N. brokers a cease fire so it can start again...
Eventually the world will have to allow one side or the other to win this war instead of letting it drag out for decades...
And the other way around....
The Israeli's made peace with the Egyptians and both leaders were killed by a fanatic on their own side. Palastine should have done the same, but I think Arafat was afraid of being killed by a fanatic on his own side, too. Ordering missile attacks and suicide (or remote-controlled) bombings are a sign of weakness.
The computerisation of war, thus the removal of its terrible aspects (i.e. propaganda, war crimes, and warmongering), made it clean and painless for the Eminians (including their enemies, the Vendikarians). Such comfort and convenience also permeated into more than just war itself. The Eminians’ standard weaponry, called disruptors, are sonic weapons, using high frequency sound waves to disorient/disable living beings or shatter objects. No flames, no flashes, and no gunpowder. Armour plating, whether metallic, fibrous or ceramic (i.e. kevlar), is thus useless and redundant, shielding technology very likely an instant violation of the treaty between the Eminians and Vendikarians.
Even their clothes/fashion reflects their culture. The robes, sashes/half-overalls, and headwear are ceremonial or formal - nothing is designed for practical or military usage. By contrast, the Starfleet uniforms have a few frills (i.e. rank cuffs and badge), but the shirt and trousers are comfortable (aside from a particular manoeuvre), practical, and simple enough, nonetheless. The only piece of practical Eminian clothing is their black skin tight jumpsuits and shoes underneath. The only practicality I could wager with the headwear is protection among the confined spaces, although the ceilings are high enough, and the general architecture has no sharp corners/turns. There is also an apparent lack of smart gadgets (i.e. personal AIs and smartwatches), suggesting a technological stagnation - 500 years is an abundant amount of time for scientific innovation and development.
Ambassador fox is like every liberal dooming himself with his lack of the ability to grasp logic
Those are conservatives you're talking about, actually. Liberals are able to learn and change with the circumstances, as Ambassador Fox does -- something no conservative is capable of. Sorry if reality doesn't suit you.
Watch out for Pope Francis and his One World Religion!!!!!!!!
I would have liked this episode better if it weren't for the violent, high handed methods of the heroes. They threatened to commit genocide, for God's sake. Also, their right to interfere in these people's affairs was questionable. To a degree, the original Star Trek reflected the mindset of imperial America--intervene everywhere, make everyone do things our way etc.
Take your SJW/marxist thinking and shove it. Your way is cancer to humanity.
The issue wasn't about doing things their way, it was about not giving their lives to do it the Eminian way. Without it, the Enterprise was in no danger
They didn't have to give their lives. They had the chance to escape and return to the ship.
How?
How? They escaped the guards and had their communicators; they could have been beamed up.