Werner Herzog's Tumultuous Relationship With Klaus Kinski | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend
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- Werner Herzog remembers the intensity of his relationship with "Best Fiend" Klaus Kinski.
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When I'm depressed I imagine Werner Herzog narrating my life and commenting on my infinite stupidity, how easy I'm hypnotized by my sadness and anger, and I just have to laugh
*infinite *easily .
I agree with you. Don't kill me.
lol, I'll try it out.
@@henryulricdude, me too, this is genius
Man, ... that is a great idea - mind, if I borrow that? I need some great laughs, too
Depression is like a loop of sadness feeding it self. You need to step out of yourself so you can watch the absurdity from outside, a good laugh can heal you a bit even if it’s yourself and the situation you’re at. For me, who never thought I could get depress, it came as a shock when I realized it. Humor can help, but can also we a cover up, like a clown. The real insight I had was I had to stop hating myself, feeling guilty for stuff I had no power over and fix the things I can change even if it’s just one at a time.
People without flaws ain’t human, so don’t beat yourself up, just accept them and move on!
Kinski in a sense gets the last laugh because Herzog has to talk about him for the rest of his life!
You're right in a way and it made my day
*the last shout
The last laugh? He was a psychopath that sexually abused his own daughter. His reputation is destroyed as far as anyone with a functioning independent consciousness is concerned
@@DenkyManner such a psychopath that most of herzog's blatantly made up stories about him sounds believable.
@@dolsopolar idk know anything about those two but i know a bit about psychopathy. My guess is that Herzog didn't always realize the truth in the situation. Herzog stories could be made up for himself as much as for the audience. For example eating the last food while stranded. An intelligent psycho might have had food hidden or even if he wasn't smart if he hadn't thought that far ahead would have been capable of just taking the last food by force. Most people don't realize the ease with which a psycho can take charge of a situation. If the psycho is intelligent they may always have some degree of control whether the other person knows or not and if they don't have control they can take it with ease and feel no remorse or having no second thought of disposing of their rival for survival with same ease that they would dispose of a chocolate wrapper probably even feeling good or empowered.
We never really know who or what someone is, the ones capable of true "evil" are especially good at hiding it.
The bit about calmly eating his last piece of chocolate as Kinski was screaming in his face is absolutely brilliant. I need to remember that tactic ...
I have met enough demented screamers in marketing to know that the best approach is to respond calmly and factually. Two people screaming achieves nothing and the adult in the room almost always wins. It takes practice. I used to yell back and my bosses would have to get involved and that reflects badly on me.
Put a crying baby in front of a mirror.
Right?? It is brilliant
I suppose you either punch the person lights out or just stay calm and like Conan said, disinterested, which probably is better option than decking someone.
Decking someone is the last thing that would actually happen. The real danger is that both parties start yelling at each other and get nowhere other than making themselves look like idiots to everyone around them@@m1lst3r89
Kinski was an extroverted madman, Herzog is an introverted mad man - they are both mad.
2 sides of spectrum
One was an incestuous pedophile and the other likes staring at chickens. This is an awful comparison.
So, basically, Conan and Jordan Schlansky?
Oh. Ying and Yang !
Kinski was a childish psychopathic egomaniac.
I heard that some of the natives came to Werner Herzog and asked if he would like them to kill Klaus Kinski, but Herzog said 'No. I need him to finish this film'.
He mentioned that in his documentary about his relationship with Kinski, and then added that the next day he regretted telling them no 😂
@@ilanarhianhe also nearly shot him dead with a rifle in the jungle somewhere in South America and would have killed himself right after that
Fitzcarraldo is just about the most astonishing piece of art I've ever encountered, because of what took place both in front of, and behind the camera. Legendary.
One of my favorite films. It's just so difficult for me to watch Klaus after what his daughters have came out and said about him after his death. He was apparently sexually abusive towards his daughters, specifically the oldest girl got most of the abuse. I really try to separate the man from the art but it's EXTREMELY difficult in this case, maybe impossible. And of course he was never convicted and there is no hard "evidence" but I doubt they would all lie... Idk it's a difficult situation to say the least.
Burden of Dreams
I want my opera house 😫
Great movie. Herzog did frauded the documents that gave him the rights to tear down the forest tho, he also abused the native population
@@JesusDoBem666 How do you know this?
i love Werner Herzog so much. i realized finally that his real gift is amazing empathy for people who are a little strange. in his documentaries you always see these incredible people who are really weird or who have suffered terrible trauma. and it would be so easy to make fun of them or just narrate their lives. but he just throws one question out, or makes a statement to elicit the person to think about something and then talk about it. and then he just shuts up and listens. it's really a superpower i wish i had.
Yes, agreed. His treatment of Timothy Treadwell in Grizzly Man was awe-inspiring to me. Didn't see him as a weirdo, a freak, or even a figure to sympathize with, but as a peer. As a fellow human and a fellow filmmaker. Beautiful documentary, one of my favourites.
He doesn't seem to have much empathy with Kinsky's daughter who was raped by her own father for years.
@@user-bj2lu9qt3o This. Kinski was more than "a little strange," he was a monstrous psychopath who is credibly accused of having repeatedly sexually assaulted his prepubescent daughter. And Herzog says he was like "a brother"? If my own flesh and blood brother, whom I love, did any such thing, I would completely disown him and spit on his memory.
Kinski wasn't just "strange" though, without blaming Herzug for anything, but Kinski truly was "sadistically evil", a Jimmy Saville type of fucked up.
@@user-bj2lu9qt3o he wasn't friends with Kinsky, they made movies together often far away from their families. Kinsky was just the kind of madman who would go all in for Herzog's crazy ambitious ideas and whom he could get incredible performances out of. I blame the public much more who treated Kinsky's overtly psychopathic behavior as a fun excentricity, the kind of which artists are allowed to have without being frowned at as freaks or worse as normal people would who publicly rage and hurt like he did. He should have been looked at by child services no matter what coworkers knew and alarmed authorities about or not. I don't know why you would attack Herzog like that and insinuita some guilt by association. Maybe I just gave you the attention this is truly about.
There's a moment in Herzog's film about his relationship with Kinski called, "My Best Fiend," where they are in the steamship on a river in Peru while shooting Fitzcarraldo. Right after they shoot a scene where the ship comes loose and violently collides with the shore, a record player is playing opera throughout, Kinski is bandaging up a cameraman who split his hand open in the collision and Herzog takes a big hit on a bottle of booze. Just insane.
Just Herzog set things
Klaus Kinski was a monster on many levels, some probably unknown to Herzog during the time they worked together. But he definitely knew he was some sort of monster, and was drawn to that, and used it brilliantly, and is wise enough to have known how to corral and work him.
Kinski sexually assaulted his own daughters. He was indeed a monster.
From Herzog's mouth, "One of the greatest actors of the century, but also a monster and great pestilence"
Even though he was a monster, he was useful. Maybe even sometimes a good guy.
@@LosrandirOddly he was, he was kind to an actress in Nosferatu.
Werner Herzog is one of the most talented movie directors of our time...each film is a masterpiece & his documentaries are simply extraordinary.
Somebody once suggested getting Herzog to be a GPS navigation voice, and I would totally select that option.
you probably can, with IA. sadly he will get no compensation.
His voice is so iconic, and calming
Listen all day to this man for sure,and klaus even had my full attn here recently watching early letterman 82-83 maybe,and just so calm and polite
As tumultuous as their relationship was, Herzog and Kinski created some truly astonishing art together. Their remake of Nosferatu is my all-time favourite vampire movie.
Gosh I love that movie, one of the few movies I genuinely get frightened of, Klaus Kinski is really demonic and creepy, looking forward to the remake with Skarsgard too 👀
@theroamer2355 Yeah, that's probably my most anticipated movie of the year, as Robert Eggers is my favourite director to emerge in the last decade and I love the cast he has put together for it.
But Herzog's version is just masterful. The opening scene with the Mummies of Guanajuato and Popol Vuh's score is one of the most chilling sequences that has ever been put on film. Even though Dracula doesn't appear until half an hour into the movie, you feel his presence right from the opening shot.
@theroamer2355 ohhhhh a Skarsgard AND a Kinski Nosferatu? I did not know about either of these and I look forward to watching them!
Make sure to watch Shadow of the Vampire. A great Nosferatu homage with a brilliant cast and a mesmerising soundtrack.
@@mistertamura6190 And Willem Dafoe is in that and the Eggers' remake. (Different characters, obviously)
Man, Werner Herzog just keeps getting more interesting and brilliant as the years go by. I've been a huge fan of him since the '70s, when I was lucky to find Aguirre, Wrath of God at a small theater. And Kinski, he was a brilliant lunatic who was lucky to live as long as he did. Never gave a half-assed performance.
Werner's voice and accent is something of the most precious in this world.
Herzog is brilliant. His story about the chief is such a great life lesson about fear. You should not fear the loudest one in the room, it is the softest and quietest ones you must fear bc you don't know there intentions.
Conan really stepped it up with the guest lately.
Lately? Man, personally I think they already started out great (what with the ongoing pandemic and all that) - and ever since then it is just progression. Team Coco at its best👍
@@florete2310 Really? You had to respond? nothing better to do, huh?
@@TheDas9582 ??
@@TheDas9582Look who's talking
I first saw Werner Herzog in the Jack Reacher movie. Although he was immobile through out the movie, I was terrified of him. Little did I know that he was such an accomplished filmmaker. Glad Conan did this interview with him
For me it was the other way around. I had known him as a director for a long time and was surprised by his appearance in the J. Reacher film. And yes, he was very terrifying in the film. That was the second surprise.
He's a good actor as well. Funny enough my first exposure of him was a documentary he made on the art of cavemen.
Check him out in Julien Donkey Boy. Probably his best performance.
@@icemanire5467 Do you remember the name of that?
(Edit: Nevermind .. I found it. "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" 2010 .. Looks amazing.)
I hear Werner's voice, while watching this video, and somehow expect the camera to pan to see that the Conan set is actually floating in the South Atlantic, in the middle of an iceberg field populated by polar bears and penguins. Fascinating man. Hats off to Conan and his team.
His death row documentaries shook me. Incredible interviews and astonishing questions from Werner--some deeply impacting responses from those people. As he said, very human humans. All on youtube.
Herzog took on each movie almost as a dare.
He's a true original.
Herzog need make Schlansky biopic.
With an ending like Stroszek 😅
"There is a task beyond the two of us. We have to stick to it. Or else."
What a quote!
Herzogs voice acting is of course not only his voice, but he also was inspired by german documentary narrators. His pronounciation, his pauses, his speed of talking, the lenght of the sentence, not his sonor, are so much Sielmann and Grzimek. Feels so much at home.
Werner has a soothing voice. I have to give him credit for staying calm, especially on film sets for his entire career.
The first two and a half minutes of this seven minute clip of Herzog talking about Kinski is just Conan talking about himself.
If Herzog ate the last chocolate in the camp, I would neither scream nor become silent.
I would be crying and howling my heart out with tears and snot on my face.
Conan revealed so much in a beautiful way during this interview.
That must have been the best tasting chocolate he ever had in his life.
The taste of a silenced victory..
Fitzcarraldo is a great movie
My Best Fiend is the key documentary to understanding their relationship. Funny and frenetic.
"he'd be a dead man within 30 seconds"
The weird thing is that unlike with most other people who would utter such a sentence, with Herzog... I kinda believe it. He has this weird intensity to him - even when (or perhaps especially when) he remains super calm. Watching the behind the scenes footage from back then, I can sort of understand why the natives were more afraid of him and his calmness than of Kinski and his ridiculous outbursts.
All that said: I think they are/were both madmen in their own ways. But on top of that, Kinski, from all the info that surfaced about him in recent years, seems to also have been a truly despicable human being.
I assumed herzog meant the natives had basically decided they were going to kill kinski if he went too far, which is understandable.
@@GleepGlop2 they did offer to at one point if I remember rightly. Herzog seriously considered it, but knew he needed him to finish the movie lol
Yeah, the biggest controversy I've heard of Herzog is him boiling rats to make their hair white for Nosferatu, not defending him but at least he's not a incestuous creep like Kinski
Two favorites, Herzog and Conan, in one interview.. amazing!
There is no way in hell that Klaus Kinski was a sane person.
He was not. There are some interesting documentaries about him
Utter psychopath. He'd probably be diagnosed with severe bipolar and PTSD now of days. The worst part is his daughters accused him of interfering with them as kids.
I can't appreciate whatever art a man created who was an absolute swine to so many around him and fully admitted to raping his daughter and seeing nothing wrong with it in the slightest.
I was stunned to see Herzog appear on The Mandalorian series. I would have loved to have heard from him about that experience.
they talk about it at another part of the episode
Pity he was in one of the many silly Star Wars TV shows.. Andor was great adult TV,, he would have fit in to that.. Hopefully they make another well made one like that.
He loved the practical grogu
Finally let's Werner talk at 2:30
Lmao i thought the same 😂 but the way conan talks is so amusing
Lmao i thought the same 😂 but the way conan talks is so amusing
I love Werners voice!
I don't know how a gentle soul like Klaus Kinski has been unfairly characterized in this fashion. He always struck me as a Mr. Rogers type, on and off camera. :)
I think people need to understand that Herzog is not only a director but a high-concept story teller who's main interest is not in telling "the truth". When he says "I'm not exaggerating", he's of course exaggerating. Everything this man says should be taken with a grain of salt. I mean that totally as a compliment of course.
Whenever I'm feeling down I'll just watch Klaus Kinski Freak-outs on TH-cam and immediately feel better.
Never liked that guy, tbh... and he was a 'pervert' to saying it politely...
@@isaactl agreed. That part of the story makes the entire thing a lot more dark
@@GENXJOPLIN A superb actor... But a terrible human being.
@@isaactlhe r***ed his own daughter multiple times, just say it how it is. Garbage-person all around
@@stanny491 Was he even a good actor? I highly doubt it. It's the fascinating with the madness and aggression.
This is a revelation of life affirming brilliance. Thank you. Fare thee well.
A 2:30 min question from Conesy - giving Sean Hayes a run for his money there
Werner Herzog and Steven Prince are the only two people wbo have truly truly TRULY lived.
Werner Herzog is just such a fascinating, brilliant man. A true original.
Werner is a legend! I love the Fred Armison spoof of Werner and Klaus in an episode of Documentary Now. Werner played by Bill Skarsgard. You must see it!
4:07 I imagine that even if Conan is described as the nicest person one can meet, he has the ability to do the same thing as Herzog when letting people know their behavior is unacceptable and not to cross a line.
Also 6:32 ultimate power move 😂
This is the topic I was waiting on Conan to bring up! I've been fascinated by this mad man for many years! His daughters have leveled some abhorrent claims about him posthumously. I believe them, but it is hard to hear/read on multiple levels for me. For one because I somewhat liked the man despite how easily it was to hate him. Klaus was so unique and crazy that it requires a level of fascination by me, but the second reason that makes it hard to hear/read about him sexually abusing his daughters is that I have a woman in my life that (I won't get specific about who) was also abused sexually by her father until she left home and it's BEYOND horrific. I see what it does to a human being. I CAN NOT separate the art from the man in this case. I have with many artists but I CANNOT DO IT in this situation.
The guy was most likely a abhorrent human and I'm not sure how I'm going to weight this against his amazing acting and his unusual and unique, at times comical temper.
What a thoughtful and compashionate comment.
Wow that was a long preamble
😮😮😮whaaaat?Coming bäck from a Concert, Irish Band,Band of Friends,in Germany and reading Conan O'Brien AND Klaus Kinski and Werner Herzog?Sold, priceless.
Herzog will never escape Kinski like a shadow he will follow him for the rest of his life.
This guy can't say anything without making it poetry
Werner is a legend with a legendary voice.
Werner Herzog had Klaus Kinski. Conan has Jordan Schlansky
The infamous Herzog-Kinski relationship resembles one-to-one the irritating O'Brien-Schlanski relationship in it's own horrific beauty.
A Kinski may have been gone, but a Schlanksi has been risen. Kinski... Schlanski... time keeps repeating itself.
And like a mad penguin, running desperately into the wrong direction, O'Brien keeps chasing his nemesis, his counterpart, his fullfilment,
to digest and overcome all the painful dinner scenes from his childhood, fighting for food with his brother Neil.
Yup
Conan spoke for two and a half minutes and his question was "does that?"
Jordan Schlansky is Conan's Klaus Kinski.
Wow, a two-a-half minute soliloquy from Conan before he gets to the question. Now I really do understand Herzog’s patience.
Anyone with a brother or very close brotherly friend knows all about such a relationship.
man Werner is great. Love this guy
Your life changes after you hear him say YOU HAVE TO DELIVER
I want Werner's voice on my Satnav...'in 200 yards turn right...for unremitting death and murder' 😅
Is Klaus Kinski that known in the US? I'm surprised
Kinski received some exposure in the US in the 1960's with the success of Dr. Zhivago as well as appearing in A Few Dollars More with Clint Eastwood. Likewise Herzog's Aguirre The Wrath of God and Nosferatu established a repertory film presence in the US in the 1970's. Herzog's Mein liebster Feind widely established the legend of Kinski as notoriously volatile and volcanic, if not borderline insane. Herzog's transition from moderately obscure but successful "art house" director into pop culture status with his Jack Reacher and Mandalorian appearances created more exposure for Kinski as new Herzog fans discovered the films Kinski did with Herzog.
What's with these comments about Conan taking a couple minutes to express his question? It's concerning that many people can so easily fail to recognize that great conversation - and Conan is an excellent conversationalist - involves considered, present, careful, fleshed-out expression (on both sides of the dynamic) in order to satisfy its potential.
And it's not some stroke of genius or extraordinary depth of patience to realize that... It actually just goes without saying. It's not like he was droning on or wasting his time, or ours... He was articulating his curiosity, and effectively so, as is standard and usual for him.
Good conversation, of any kind, anywhere, between anyone, is an enlightening interaction. Conan and Werner, here, are just another in an infinite line of individuals doing it well! It's great to enjoy... 👍
Well said. People have no attention span for long form conversation. It's all quick soundbites and click bait headlines. And it's having an effect on context, nuance, and critical thinking.
Nah but going on for 2 minutes until he finally finishes the question without giving his own opinion in the actual question?
@@chancentot2012 He did give his interpretation of what he thought in the question, but it was a question to Werner, so what does his opinion matter?
That advice on dealing with nutcases is not new--but it is good advice! Give the smallest possible target; never engage.
If I had him on the show I’d ask him about the grizzly man audio.
I think it would be insensitive to bring it up, Herzog was clearly deeply affected by it
This was a great podcast. Conan let Werner do the talking and he was brilliant. A truly original soul.
Dieses Interview soll auf Deutsch sein. Es ist kaum zu glauben.
He transforms his soul into art, be it movies or other mediums. Like this POD cast.
Half of the clip is Conan asking a question.
Made it all about him
I shall have to watch the rest of the podcast, because what I saw here was Conan talking quite a lot before Werner very patiently answered an almost-question.
Conan comparing doing filmed funny bits with what Herzog has been through is a bit of a stretch. For proof, read Herzog's "Conquest of the Useless."
How the hell would YOU know what Conan has been through? I'd argue that comedy is harder than pulling a steamboat over a mountain.
@@dreamquesttv lol
Death by Chocolate .
FUN FACT: Klaus Kinsky sexually abused his daughter (Pola Kinsky) when she was a young child. It begun when she was 5 years old and stopped as soon as she reached the age of 18.
Pola Kinsky has said that she feels ill every time she sees people in the media idolizing her father. Especially when they claim that his madness was the sure sign of him being a genius. When in reality, his madness was monstrously vile.
Yeah, i've read about that story, he was a creepy sadistic abusive human being, if that hearth attack hadn't killed him, most certainly somebody would've.
Thank you! I cannot stand hearing Herzog talking the same sh for years with his oh so calming voice.
......around the early 2000's....we lived in Telluride , Colorado , and Herzogs film.....My Best Fiend.....premiered at the Telluride Film Festival.....and for an ardant fan of His work, this was ....a once in a lifetime chance.....to see and talk with him....not so much about the elements shown so clearly in that film, but about His working relationship with Florian Fricke, the front man of the group Popol Vuh, who made some of the finset soundtracks to several of His works......that was a real....must see film......for those who have been deeply affected by....BOTH....of these larger than life personalities.......
Werner Herzog is an absolute legend, but he seems quite frail, i hope he lives a long life
Werner Herzog is my favourite man alive. Cannot wait to read his new novel.
Crazy but my god, one of the most mesmerizing actors on the screen
I think Conan's being a bit naive about how to talk about Herzog and Kinski's relationship. They really, really wanted to kill Kinski. He was really a very distraught human being, and nowadays it's even awkward to talk about him in a jokey way, as he's been revealed to also abuse at least one of his daughters.
Exactly.
Herzog crew explored native amazonian people and was responsible for many injuries during Fitzcarraldo production.
I'd never think that this would be a Conan podcast Guest.
Klaus Kinski was a very "loving" father. Maybe that's why he was so angry.🤮
His daughter, actress Nastassja Kinski, says he attempted to sexually abuse her, and her half-sister has accused him of actually succeeding in abusing her...in 2013, Nastassja said if he were still alive she "would do anything to put him behind bars for life. I am glad he is no longer alive."
Werner and Klaus the movie. It must happen.
There's a documentary by Herzog called "Mein liebster Feind"/"My best fiend" which i assume may fit that description exactly
@@sashn1 That looks good. I admit that apart from this interview with Conan and his appearances on Seth's show, I never really heard of him.
@@sashn1 I love that movie, one of my favourite Herzog documentaries
Kinski had issues. It can be very difficult trying to manage other people's mental health issues and that situation is a prime example. I actually think they did quite well. They didn't kill him! 😅
They should. he (kinski) raped his 5 year old daughter until she turned 19 years old
this interview with Herzog was a pleasant surprise. Man it was good
wow, asking that first question here took conan 2 and a half minute ...
Kinski was German paratrouper in WW2 and bad wounded with bullet holes in his shoulder and arm.
As Prisoner of war at “Camp 186” in Essex, his first theater role took place on the makeshift camp stage
There's a very interesting interview online in German with Walter Saxer (Saxer is the producer of 5 Kinski movies). Saxer portrays Kinski as a demanding but also outstanding actor for whom he has enormous respect: “Kinski was someone who created such a high tension on set that you had to concentrate so much and make sure that no one made a stupid comment. He [Kinski] became livid when he had people around him who weren't totally concentrating on the scene like he was and then he didn't let the director tell him anything because he said: 'Shut up. I know what I'm doing here'. Saxer goes on to say that this attitude was justified because otherwise it would have been a lukewarm film, as was seen in the first material from “Fitzcarraldo” (originally with a different leading actor).
I love listening to Sona, Conan, and Matt be ridiculous, but honestly, I wish they all would have not spoken at all for this podcast so that the entire thing could have been Werner talking.
The only podcast episode I probably ever would have listened to.
woah it's Alexander Skarsgard from Soldier Of Illusion!
Fun fact: Klaus Kinski inspired Robert Englunds portrayal of Freddy Krueger.
Conan can't shut up! Starts @ 2:28
Conan has a tendency to be very long-winded instead of just asking the question.
After 90 seconds I gave up. I wanted to hear Herzog.
Werner Herzog sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger but they grew up in a close locality.
Chilling to have Werner calmly announce your death is imminent.
Im wondering until now how Kinsky destroyed a toilet to dust in a fury attack as Herzog explained how was the first meeting with him.
Didn’t he destroy every single little thing of a whole apartment? That’s wild!
Can y’all Interview EMO PHILIPS?!!
Second!
Conan now has the exact features to do a Kinski. In fact, there were shades of Kinski on the hot ones. :D
Conan stops talking about himself at 2:28
Herzog is the only director, who kept murd*ring Kinski in every movie he made, actually there was a time I saw Herzog's documentary "My best fied" almost everyday because I dreamt of becoming a director like him and having a fetish actor like Kinski for my films haha.
"Night after night he flew into a rage and chased his Vietnamese wife through the halls, beating her in his fits of raving madness and hurling her against walls, until all the guests woke up and rushed to see what was happening, and only our bribes prevented the hotelkeeper from throwing Kinski out. Walter described how every morning at four he went around discreetly scrubbing off the splatters of blood that the madman’s poor wife had left on the walls."
- Werner Herzog
Wow!
Always have loved Werner as a actor, on and off the screen. Never liked Klaus Kinski. Werner has such a relaxing calmness and zen about him. It’s in his beautiful voice as well. Love the part about the chocolate. 🍫 😌 🎙️ 🎧😆