Forensic Files - Season 6, Episode 15 - Killer's 'Cattle' Log - Full Episode
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- When police in the Great Plains are called about a dead body, a background check on the victim leads them into a bizarre web of homeless drifters, cattle auctions and bad checks - all fronted by elderly couple Ray and Faye Copeland.
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Respect to the son of the family for being so candid and forthcoming. Forensics files is one of my favorite shows ever!!
I totally agree!
He died a few years back, I always had pity for him
*Respect for the son for.....
Me too love it all the way from South Africa especially the older episodes. I never tire from watching those.
Pretty sad when you have your own son saying you deserve the death penalty
If he was my parental unit I would be saying that too. His kids didn't even have shoes to wear for doing chores outside in the wintertime, plus he physically abused them and their mother.
It's nothing sad about it mate...you reap what you sow.
On August 10, 2002, Faye suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and unable to speak. Weeks later, in September 2002, Governor Bob Holden authorized a medical parole for Faye, fulfilling her one wish that she not die in prison. She was paroled to a nursing home in her hometown of Chillicothe, Missouri, where she died of natural causes at the age of 82.
It's time the US authorities to do away with that parole thing.once convicted one should serve the term
@@hoseaachoka4580- while I agree, the reality is that our prison system in the US depends on the system of parole and the use of halfway houses. There just aren’t enough prison beds, available, & many of the prisons that we have now are overcrowded by huge numbers. There is never enough money allocated to build new prisons, & many communities put up quite a fight to avoid one being built near their home … for obvious reasons.
This isn’t an excuse, but it is the facts.
@@liseklerekoper2441 dude you are saying straight up facts nicely done
I've been watching a lot of forensic files and this guy Ray Copeland has to be one of the most wicked killers so far imo. It's seems just from everything revealed about him there are no redeeming qualities and is just an absolutely horrible man.
Obvious demonic influence. It's not fictional it's biblical. Evil is amongst us.
Faye lying through her dentures
Lol...
LMAO!!! In her prison gear!
Lolol😂
😂
She's probably your mother 😂
Peter Thomas narrates so well that he educates you as well as makes you aware of dangers
Dayle Hinman is better.
@@mikezylstra7514NOPE. NOT EVEN HALF AS GREAT AS PETER THOMAS. YOU ARE DELUSIONAL
At first, I thought Ray copeland was the victim and the transients killed him, like all other murder cases with old people, who we thought are harmless. We really should not judge the book by its cover.
yeah me too, I also thought the same
SAme here, at first I thought the old man was the victim.
Ll
This elderly geezer was a cold blooded murderer. He deserved the needle as soon as he was convicted. They should've given it to him that very night. Instead the no-good-for-nothin scam artist died in prison.
Old age and treachery trumps youth and experience
Ray Copeland couldn’t read or write, so evidently the wife knew.
What? That’s quite a leap.
@@heathernikki5734 if you remember from the episode, there was a list with the missing men's names on it. Obviously Ray wouldn't have made out this list if he couldn't read or write.
Yessss she had to write it for him
And something the episode didn't mention is that Ray's accomplice, his wife, sewed together a quilt made from the dead men's shirts. Most serial killers keep trophies from their victims, so that's what that quilt was. Little mementos of her and Ray's victims, all nice and stitched together. Who knows for sure, but I doubt they used it as a bedspread. They probably hung it up on the wall where they could look at it every day and re-savor the flavor.
Oh yeah, she was his literal partner in crime. You could tell by her statements in the episode.
A very wicked old man, luring vulnerable men to his home to work for him and killed them after
He corrupted his wife too.
So you watched the episode too...
So evil even his own son said he deserved the death penalty
@@adotintheshark4848 no he didnt she acted in accordance with him and did bc she may have felt duty to earn money she didnt deserve, so she killed
@@michaelparbatule no she didn't kill anyone. He couldn't read and write, but she could so she was like his accountant.
Al Copeland grew up to be a really good man and had a loving family, RIP Sir!
I’m glad he turned out to be nothing like his dad!
@@taydestiny38 he was a great guy & very loved. He definitely proved you can rise above your childhood
@@taydestiny38 it’s so sad he died of dementia related illness relatively young while his dad lived a LONG life 😥
@@heathernikki5734 Maybe so, but his life was full of 1000x more love than Ray's
Why do the good die young
Al Copeland died January 5, 2015 at age 67. Besides being abused by his father, Al suffered much tragedy in his life. He lost a child in infancy in 1969 and another child, a son in 2002 at age 30 in a road accident. He also lost his older brother Billy who passed in 2009.
That should leave 3 other Copeland children...
He did manage to found Popeyes tho.
@@pingpong3311 wait what
RIP ❤
Wrong person thats NOT the Al Copeland @@pingpong3311
Dis she say 'if he did it' She just lost all credibility!!!
She sure is trying hard not to take any responsibilty. That and blaming her parents for teaching her to obey. She could have said or done something.
Yeah...She knew. Just as EVIL as he was! RIP the poor men.
" If he did it." He did it. He knew the checks were no good. He had the motive to murder them to cover the trail. He would sell the cattle. Free money! Those jerks were not poor. She was dumb enough to keep their clothes, so she really was the one that got them caught. No innocence in her at all. Also, I really don't think he was quite so illiterate.
She was a willing scheming participant 😐
@@allyfox5900 she wasn't just as evil as him lol he was way worse
I don't think the wife was there during the killings, but something in her reactions during the interview, would hint she was somewhat involved.
She stated she wrote what he told her and if she was abused (reminds of a set of grandparents I knew or I knew the grandmother since the grandfather died shortly after I was born) she does act like it from back in the day, then no she wouldn't have asked any questions because repercussions are swift and severe. I don't know if she knew of the check ring or not or the murders.
The fact she would say “if he did do it” as if defending his innocence and the x’s of the names of the men buried since her husband couldn’t write makes her hella suspicious. But I definitely don’t believe she took part or was there when the killings happened. I think she knew about it but never said anything. She would of gotten killed too. Guy beat his family with frying pans and killed homeless people. Ffs
@Dylan gamer we heard her! She's just as guilty!
Nobody cares what you think she was just as guilty as him.
@christinamenhennett just because she didn't ask questions doesn't mean she was clueless about these missing men after being alone with her terribly violent husband. She knew, she just didn't want to get involved.
The couple look so harmless. This is a reminder to Never judge a book by it’s cover.
They don't look harmless! They look demonic and wicked!
They look evil AF.
And to never capitalize words that don't need it.
This woman was born in the 20s. She was fully dependent on him since she was like 14. I fully believe she just did whatever he said and asked no questions. Their marital history is even worse than this episode shows. Ray was HORRIBLE to his family.
Nah, she does not get a pass for helping to keep track of the men Ray killed. 🙄 She is guilty as hell and deserves to die in prison.
I gotta say that "she just did whatever he said and asked no questions" sounds a lot to me like "I was just following orders." Historically, it's never been a great defense because we assume people still understand the difference between right and wrong whether or not they're just doing what they're told to do. And if you tell me she had no choice I call bullshit. She had the choice to leave and didn't take it. This happened in the 20th century when women weren't considered property anymore. Or she could've chosen to go to the police. "Uh, listen, my husband has been doing some things you might want to know about."
@@gspendlove yawn
I have a lot of doubts about Faye's guilt and level of involvement in the crimes committed by her husband. She took down names since her husband was illiterate. I think he maybe told her some story that the people left the farm, so she puts an X by their names, not because she knew they were dead/murdered by Ray, but because she was told they had skedaddled and she was doing what her husband ordered her to do. I just can't believe she was convicted of these crimes based almost entirely on her writing that list. She was brainwashed by her parents and other relatives that the husband is the boss, no matter how badly he may treat you, you have to stay with him because of the marriage vows "for better or for worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others for as long as you both shall live, till death do you part...love, honor and obey"...etc...etc.
@@gspendlove You're comparing this to free adult men, soldiers, following orders by choice because they believe it's their job. She was legally free, but when women leave men like this those women die. She can't go to the police without proof. It's not a question of whether she understood the situation, because if she did understand what he was capable of that gives her all the more reason to stay.
Faye Copeland died of natural causes in a nursing home at age 82 on December 23, 2003. Just before her death she suffered a stroke and the governor authorized a medical parole in 2002. Ref: Ray and Faye Copeland - Wikipedia
Imo she didn’t deserve to go to prison, going by what she and her sons said Ray wa extremely abusive and made her do things she wouldn’t have wanted to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had her write down those names, took the paper & marked them off as he killed them. She was a old frail terrified broken women cause of that bastard husband Ray
I’ve seen a much longer program on this. Ray was illiterate, so she was more involved than this showed here. But no doubt she was a battered wife, so hard to judge her culpability. The line has to be drawn somewhere before being the right hand of a serial killer.
RIP 🌷🌷🌷
Quit with the excuses for your fellow white sister
@@satmtca Yeah, but Ray had dreamy blue eyes.
Man, why do death penalties take so long to carry out? That dude’s a monster
That poor woman looks like she has had such a hard life 😢
She didn’t take advantage of her privilege
Just goes to show that there's no age limit on being a killer.
Sadly that's true. A few months ago (this year 2022) they released a 95 yr old man from prison saying he was no longer a threat to society based on his age. He was in prison for murder. First thing he did upon release was shoot an innocent man standing in the victim's driveway. Witnessed by several people. The former prisoner just pulled a gun and shot and killed the man leaving behind a young family. When the former prisoner was asked why he did he said he felt like it.
@@christinamenhennett Sorry to hear that!
@@DavidRooke5412 yeah it was all over the news. I can't remember what state it was but yeah 95 yes old and committed murder right after release from prison.
There is no reason to be surprised when for complicity and help in concealing a murder you receive a well-deserved punishment.
They were dirt poor yet always had money handy to bail Ray out of jail on numerous occasions? Huh?
she obviously used her hard earned money to bail him out.
I thought Faye lived in Missouri but it’s obvious she lived in denial.
It was weirr that Ray said someone who worked for him had written a check to him. You would think that would make people wonder. He would be paying the employee, not vice versa!
I noticed that too
Yeah I was wondering how they did not wonder about that
Good point.
He could have sold something to the worker or did something for the worker. People write checks for all sorts of reasons.
10/02/2024 - I just watched this on the crime channel. I could not believe what I was watching. The wife stuck it out with the husband until the bitter end. She was hopelessly devoted to him but he seemed like a tyrant. Just horrible.
Another video with the subtitles from another show-- Great Job!!
Use auto-genereted subtitles
switch the subs to 'english (united states)'
Yeah, I had to rely purely on my listening skill on this one... Fortunately the narrator had good and clear pronunciation. ❤
For money some people have no value of lives.
Why tf she keeps saying “if he done it” ? HE CLEARLY DID IT. Ugghhh I’m so upset 🙄
Take a deep breath
She was brainwashed
She knew,
If you’re capable of abusing / mistreating animals, you’re capable of doing the same to humans.
To find out both of your parents did something that disturbing is terrible. Hope the son is doing ok.
He's dead.
@@evosthunder May he rest in peace
I believe the wife.. You ask a question, you could get beaten up again . So she might have just done what was told, to avoid the beating
Well she obviously suspected something shady was going on, otherwise why would she say that she "didn't ask questions"? She knew something was going on, and the "X's" by the dead men's names seems she knew WHAT was going on...
back then, women were kept barefoot, pregnant and quiet.
This is also lesson in who you support. If you support anyone, for example a spouse, or even a friend, who is doing something you disapprove of, i.e., anything dishonest, it will come back to bite you! They will bite you in some way.
Frank Hudson is my great uncle! I never got to meet the man but this story circulates in our family all the time.
I'm sorry for your loss
So she marked the dead men with her own hand writing and claiming innocence
Ray probably told her the men had left the farm. She wouldn't necessarily know what happened to them.
@@adotintheshark4848 She wrote a list she was told to right.
We don't know who made the X's but many illiterates can make an X.
Ray gave my dad his hunters safety. I always thought that was kinda funny
I kid you not this episode gave me nightmares for months when I was 11. Ray is the creepiest looking old man I've ever seen.
Why prosecute this poor woman!!! She was battered and abused !! Her entire life. Thats just injustice.
She was complicit in her husband's schemes. She absolutely deserved to be prosecuted. Not to mention, she allowed her husband to beat her children, so she was also complicit in their abuse. Just because she was also a victim of her husband's abuse, does not mean that excludes her from being a perpetrator.
Trying to frame a innocent person you also killed just plain old fashioned evil.
I personally don't think Mrs. Copeland had any involvement in harming/killing the transients. It really seemed like Al Copeland blames more-so his father, due to the abuse he and his siblings endured.
R.I.P Dennis Murphy, Wayne Warner, Paul Cowart, Jimmy-Dale Harvey, John Freeman, Thomas Park, Franklin Hudson, Dale Brake, Al Copeland, Faye Copeland, others who knew the victims that passed, and Peter Thomas.
Yeah there wasn't enough proof to imprison her. RIP to to all 🌷🌷🌷 except Ray
Quit with the excuses
I think "accessory to murder" is worthy of being imprisoned...
What an evil greedy nasty person SMH. Can't trust anyone
Wow Iv saw some evil people watching this but he is at the top of the list right now so sad.
Prayers for the families and friends left behind.
There's no way Faye didn't know what was going on. She can hide behind whatever she wants but she knew. There's no way she didn't know.
Yeah she knew…just like she said in the video, “if he done it”….then who else did???? Lol. Like in a sense she was kind of still defending him.
Yes
How would you know
There’s no evidence she knew. “She had to know” isn’t evidence.
There were plenty of clothes and suitcases in their home that didn't belong to them. You don't think she questioned where they came from? Plus, she wrote an "X" next to the names of the 4 guys who happened to have died from gunshots to the head. She said that she "asked no questions." So maybe she was willfully ignorant, but that still indicates she knew some shady stuff was going on.
She sewed patchwork things of their clothes...
People love to criticize modern women. But cases like this is why it's important us women shouldn't depend on a man. So many abuse experience when men think you have no option.
Faye Copeland died on December 23, 2003, after suffering a stroke the previous year. She was 82 years old.
Wow, 1,019 years ago? She looked great in that interview.
@@badkarma1289She died hundreds of years before her husband was born and any of these murders even happened. Or she owned a time machine. Either way, she was an odd woman.
A body was found in a well. Disgusting. Do people drink water from that well? Or use the water for any use?
those are usually irrigation wells. Only deep wells are used for drinking.
@@adotintheshark4848 Thanks. It was not specified which type of well, if I remember well.
I like most FF episodes, but this one really moooooved me.
I always upvote cow jokes.
@@james-p I upvote those who upvote cow jokes. I'll milk this for all I can.
@@adotintheshark4848 Nothing like a bit of cheesy humor.
copeland took the bull by the horns
She knew. She made quilts from their clothing for God's sake!!!!!
No read nor write but smart in different bad way or ideas. RIP those people .
pure evil
I wonder if the other bodies of the missing men were ever found?
As far as I knew, they were never found. And I search hard, believe me.
@@roguegirl29 you search
@@roguegirl29same! I doubt they ever will be
@@indycastletonjonahinarizon8380 At this point there probably wouldn't be anything left to find, save for, maybe, a few pieces of clothing the men might have had on when they were murdered.
@@roguegirl29erm the skeletons would still be around but yes, very hard to find. It’s very possible they were buried well at the time, or even built over by now
Stop taking checks from them, duh!!
Damn! A movie idea!
One of my favorite episodes
I watched this before but damn I made the mistake on watching it again. Cold hearted old farts
While I do think Faye was aware of everything that was going on, I’m shocked they were able to land a conviction just based on her handwriting on a list. She must’ve had a horrible defense attorney.
İf you are a transient and available for some type of work, be weary if they ask you about having relatives nearby!
She should’ve been jailed, but certainly not the death penalty…life in prison seems harsh too. For what they had on her, accessory makes a lot more sense. I don’t know if I could elect to put in a guilty verdict against her were I on that jury
this was very upsetting
I put up with a lot of stuff, but lay one hand on me or my children and I will disappear with them and you may never find me.
Let me reformat this for you.
I let go of a lot of things, but lay a hand on one of my family members, I'll make sure you disappear forever.
Faye had a stroke in 2002 and was granted medical parole, she died in 2003 in a nursing home.
Sociopaths are such a damned nuisance. Thank you how much more pleasant our society would be if they just didn't exist.
90% of American CEO’s and probably 20%-30% of the population are psychopaths, narcissists or sociopaths imo, so I’m not sure where best to start:) In the business world it’s kind of an asset to be able to lay off 10k people without losing any sleep over it.
Esp the types in the military, CIA, FBI, DHS, DARPA, NSA and other agencies of the "intelligence community".
I think his wife wrote the names on the list but he put the cross next to the names of the men he killed and i don't think his wife was involved in the killing of those men,they had too little evidence to just convict her to life in prison 😳🤨 just like that
She had to have known that Roy's farmhands were from the mission. Homeless men do not just leave their clothes and suitcases. All of their belongings were in a closet, and Faye took cloth from from some of the dead men's clothes and made a quilt with it. There was no doubt in her mind that those men were not returning to get their clothes.
These sub titles are awesome lol
1:04 whoever gets cut at that barbershop is getting their shit murdered 🤣🤣
I get the feeling that the son would have wanted death for Ray whether he had did the crime or not. You can clearly see he hated the man.
Most serial killers target homeless vulnerable people
The Copeland Twisters
For an illiterate man, too much evil in him.
You f**ked up Ray.
No, I didn't. Commas are important.
Bless that fiddler playing out of key.
Ray should have got him.
Closed captioning wrong story again. Why aren't these fixed?
Click the gear icon & go to captions. Pick the English/US-auto generated
the son doesn’t refer to Ray as his father or dad
Evil old bastard. Glad he was caught. Those poor workers, just trying to make a living.
Faye Copeland died 23 Dec 2003 (aged 82).
Didn’t have dental treatments! I’m shocked!
You could tell that Ray was a bad man by the way the wife said and "he is the boss.." I right away pictured him as an abusive husband and father. Disgusting man. Ugh. What an awful life faye and the children must have had. for that alone ray should have been in jail long before. I know that's not how things worked back then though and people got away with unspeakable acts of violence and abuse.
That's some bullshit. I'm the boss at my house and never abused my wife, kids, and grandchildren. I hear simps say "she's the boss" or happy wife, happy life without physical abuse from the woman. This old trick knew exactly what the deal was and enjoyed the benefits of the murders.
She's no victim
@@user-hy1od6by1w she certainly was one!
@@kerrylawson3522 everybody has a choice. Women need to stop avoiding accountability like they are infants
@@user-hy1od6by1w everybody does have a choice but there are circumstances and lack of knowledge and depending on each and every situation some women cannot take accountability. Today there is more awareness on how to get help is needed but back them those options were virtually obsolelte. I am guessing you must be a male with no knowledge of how a woman acts or feels if so how dare you insult us I am guessing a woman has done something to you for your remark. We are not infants but we do not need men trying to tell us how we as women should act or feel! Shame on you !
The text does not match the video.
switch the subs to 'english (united states)'
@@mikotoh How?
@@rrknl5187 on mobile, hit the three dots in the corner of the video, and then the captions button in the popup
@@mikotoh Thanks!
I was hoping someone smarter than me would come along..........
@@rrknl5187 np man, but dont beat yourself up about it. i use captions 99% of the time myself bc of auditory processing issues, due to being autistic (or at least thats my guess, anyway) 😅
21:19 *"IF"* he done it?! 😲🤦🏾
She is a dizzy dum pathetic as woman so in denial.. she knew
Faith should be perfectly happy in prison. Someone tells her what to do all the time and she doesn't have to formulate any independent thoughts or make any decisions. As is true all her life, someone else has her fate in their hands.
“The husband was the boss” haha IF ONLY…….
Real men are. 🤷🏿
@@user-hy1od6by1w Not in America they’re not.
@@MAGA4EVA1986 I'm in America. I'm the boss. And any real Christian is the boss as well if they actually follow the word
@@user-hy1od6by1w Oh, well that explains a lot. Well as a nearly 40 year old fully disabled combat veteran and an Avowed Atheist….I’d rather be an EQUAL with my fiancé but at the risk of this devolving into name calling and arguing about something that won’t change anything because you’re set in your beliefs and I am in mine as well, I’ll just say we can agree to disagree.
@@MAGA4EVA1986 lol goodbye. And there was not going to be name-calling or arguing. Real Christians don't do that. 👍🏿
Chilling.
this always messes with me i hate this story but love it too
I would not have been able to convict the wife for the murders. Certainly she was involved in the check scheme - but the lack of evidence connecting her to the murders is a tough bridge to cross.
What does Faye mean "IF he did it"? Police had Ray dead to rights. She's lucky that her sentence was commuted. I agree that the evidence against her was circumstantial, but she seems to lack any culpability or remorse to what happened to those poor men. I think she was complicit in the murders.
Ray cant read and write...so maybe faye just followed and write names that her husband told her to do so...without asking why or where are they or what the list are for..maybe one time being told those guys just packed and run and owe Ray money..she's a battered wife..but for the love of God..i really do hope she has nothing to do with the killing....
Does anyone know if Thomas, Franklin, and Dale were ever found dead or alive?
August 10, 2002, Faye suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and unable to speak. Weeks later, in September 2002, Governor Bob Holden authorized a medical parole for Faye, fulfilling her one wish that she not die in prison. She was paroled to a nursing home in her hometown of Chillicothe, Missouri, where she died of natural causes at the age of 82. She left behind five children and 17 grandchildren.
I doubt the wife knew...if she spoke up he probably would have done her in too smh
Maybe she did and was too afraid to speak out.
@@roguegirl29that’s what I am thinking
I couldn't give a dam... Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong a risk she should have took to do the right thing, this could have been your father, or family member
10:35 her facial expression said it all
This is something from Yellowstone show…one of the drifters looks exactly like the actor who played Rip
I was just thinking about that wtf hahahaha
The subtitles on many episodes are the wrong ones. Some of us are hard of hearing and need English subtitles.
Click the gear icon & go to captions. Pick the English/US-auto generated
Hm, not sure why the episode glossed over this but Faye actually made a quilt out of the missing mens' clothes...
The justice system is a joke sending someone to jail base on names on a paper crap
These closed captions don't work, they're for a different show entirely. This is not cool... please fix.
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You cannot tell me that his wife didn't Hear Shots Fired OR she had intimate knowledge of her husband's evil
Ok ok as I was typing with video playing she Did receive her due as well
And she gave a Bs reason for going along with the evil
Chillicothe, 25 minutes from my house😂 Um wife, not sure if you understand murder. It isn't always because of monetary reasons.😂
Netflix Canada brought me here
Makes u wonder how many years of freedom ray had after he committed his first murder . ... Who knows how many years ago that was .
Stop showing the wrong subtitles!!!!!