no because I swear his ult never crits when I want it to. I had to repeat a showcase THREE TIMES because he refused to crit, even though with food buffs he had like 80% crit rate
Haha yep of course, though I didnt want this video to be just using teams where the damage is dealt primarily through non crit based damage (transformative reactions). I wanted to specifically do no crit on a character that normally really wants to crit to fully utilize them, and I think Arlecchino was probably one of the best units at showing that! I was a bit worried people would think thats all I was going to do by the title, though (it can be weirdly hard to make a simple title representing the concept of the video that couldnt be misunderstood as being something else, hence why I used the thumbnail with Arles equipped artifacts to provide the additional info needed to establish the premise here)
@@waifuslayer69creator of the video wanted to not use teams that rely on reactions and don't need crit and thought that arle was very good for showing that since she usually needs crit. Was a bit worried people would think that's all he does because of the title so he put that thumbnail as arles equipped artifacts
Haha yep, this Arle team gets enough dmg relevant stats from non crit sources that I thought it would be able to show this, but still was better than I expected!
@@frankoceanstanaccount7126I'm not being salty but your crit rate doesn't give you more dmg, it's just state how frequently you will crit, and if it is crit dmg, aim for 150 (which is very low bcz she ascends CD) and its enough, she does indeed very good dmg with low to none investment besides level of talents and caracter
This was so much better than I thought it would be at the start lol. TL;DR is don't undervalue non-crit circlets, and non crit weapons. Oh, I was thinking about how the Deathmatch build I used at the end seemed very similar to the no crit build, I think there was a funny thing happening there wherein one of the odd benefits of a build that basically never crits is that it performs _very_ consistently. And consistently performing teams can feel very good. Whereas as soon as I put Deathmatch and the CDMG circlet on Arle, sure it had higher avg dmg, but especially with only 44% crit rate it brought a layer of RNG to the team that makes it end up being inconsistent enough that it barely feels like an improvement in practice. A lot of atk% (and some EM) had to be sacrificed in favor of the crit after all, but crit is a stat that does NOTHING when you don't crit. So I think another interesting takeaway of the video is that the lower investment your build is, the more value other stats have for the consistency of your dmg output relative to crit. And there is also the factor of how atk% has higher relative value w/o Bennett buff being active too! Also, this is a minor mistake (imo), but I forgot to mention during the video that Furina is C2, which definitely makes a difference in the Sethos/Furina/Fish/Sige team. But as I showed, second half could've used a much stronger team in general for the 2nd/3rd chamber especially, AND I played it quite poorly. Which is to say that Furina C2 wasn't necessary there--it just made my skill issue and team choice not be a problem as much, despite doing no crit Arlecchino on the 1st half. Even with C2 Furina I thought it was going to be much harder than it was to clear lol. So hopefully nobody cares about that, but if you do I just ask you to keep in mind that it would've been much better for me to just use Neuvilette. But frick that.
@@ahmdmoadi variations of this video idea were something Ive wanted to do for a while, so I wouldnt say it came from any one source specifically, but ty for the reminders to help me actually watch for the artifacts needed to make this video lol. That was actually the main hurdle: overcoming habits of throwing away bad artifacts and spending resources leveling "useless" pieces for it
I legit searched "what if we don't build crit on dps-es" cuz i was curious and when i saw this i was like HOW DID I MISS THIS SOLUNA VIDEO i love your content btw, it's so original and creative :D
it should be noted when farming artifacts, you first strive to make your characters usable before they are critable. it is better to level your character and their talents up first before starting to farm artifacts. even when you start farming, farm for the main stats before the substats. it is so much more efficient this way
Only works for newbies. Not that I care if I get artifacts first or level up the character, either way I'll only go into the abyss with him after doing both. You need only all at once anyways so there is no efficient way. It's not really important for the world when you have at least one character with at least just main stat artifacts without set. I always can just put stat artifacts without set to make my char usable while farming set. You always will have some usable stat artifacts from glad or wanderer's troupe. Talents, by the way, require materials from weekly bosses, so there's no rush to level up them, unless you already have enough materials (but that's not for newbies).
@@thiccychiccy1157 the one in this video seems to be c0 or c1, you can tell because the E mark on the enemies doesn't automatically become tier 2 when applied it's only on his polearm account that he has c6, I believe
I kitted initially my arlecchino with 93 CR 157 CD because I just didn’t want to do a none crit. But with sheer luck I managed to end up with a result of 77 CR and 206 CD and now I am happy :)
I'd like to see this challenge with other dpses too. This video really is more of a statement on the brokeness of alrecchino than a statement on the unnecessary focus of crit.
For chamber 3 you can just setup during the green construct phase. The auto targetting can be a bit cringe but you still get particle. And vape arlechino setup are generally a bit long so asimon revealed themselves once you done with your setup. This really went better than i expected lmao
I love your videos! It was fun seeing how undervalued other stats might actually be I was also really interested in your Sethos team. I'd love it if you'd make more videos on Sethos!
The reason crit is usually so important in the substats is because every other substat can be arranged from supports, but crit can't Take keqing, play nahida sucrose boom 450 em no sweat Take xiangling in national, instructor bennet+ sucrose gives 300 em, Bennet gives 1k attack, then there's noblese on xingqiu and then ttds from sucrose So in that team, if you go atk or em sands on xiangling, and doing so sacrifices crit cuz you need ER, you are throwing. Cuz none of those stats are as needed as crit And there are so many more examples. Any carry with Bennet basically has enough atk after atk sands. Any em scaler is usually good after em sands plus nahida I guess the only exception would be hp scalers
Yep, crit is the priority artifact stat because of artifacts being the main way to get it. But just because its the priority doesnt mean the other stats arent still worthwhile is all this video really is an example of. Which is why I didnt say anyone should do this-its obviously still good to build crit. But for mamy players, it barely matters vs just utilizing other methods of amplifying your dmg and having the knowledge about mechanics/character kits to do so. Ultimately it depends on players personal preferences to determine how worthwhile it is to chase really rare artifacts.
funnily enough just a few days ago I was looking at her motion values and multipliers and saw that she can do around 5,800% in 15s with her signature, altho a bit lower without the signature and I was wondering if she could clear with 5% crit rate and just now you come and post this lol! I think even with C0 she could get close clear times with some more resets and enemy AI manipulation, tho she could definitely leave enough time for second half double hydro team without sigewinne xD
I've been trying to get better artifacts for Kokomi and my god I can NOT get no crit stats on her, so I can imagine how long it took to get a full set with zero crit stats on them
Your videos are really nice to watch , they feel very cozy and you are super nice and calm (compared to other people who do videos about this game 😭) Anf I really appreciate the tips you give while playing it's super helpful
Video Tldr: Pull for constellations to make non crits work. Imo Arle is among really bad examples, I have tried same thing with Neuvilette, Lyney and Emilie and the flat damage multipliers/flat damage multiplier trigger time increase from cons help a lot in having those under 90s clear on one half (in Arle case it’s C1 and C2, you can even argue C6 cause one occasional crit saves 1-2s in her run). Your Cyno team on the second half seems like it’s not the team options, but rather how you execute the combos. Probably just me but it seems that Candace burst is not up often during your Cyno’s burst (which is very important for second half this abyss reset).
@@NEUVILLETTE500 bro it doesn't matter what your talents are. childe is not gonna do 50k-100k dmg on normal attacks consistently. he's a driver, he's not SUPPOSED to do dmg like that because that's not what he's for.
Le me with 70/210 build clearing anout the same time as ur non crit ☠️ .Also hats to your efforts to even try this (while we struggle to do it normally only )
There's no issue with the dorito on Arlecchino teams, all you have to do is fast rotations, so ur uptime is when he is visible, and about to go invisible, then, save some secs and some pact for his pillars, then you start rotation again before he is visible again.
To group the two dudes who waddle on the first chamber, I have found that running to the opposite end of the chamber near the wall can help group them by cornering them because they will run to you and you know the next enemies spawn around there. Idk if it’s optimal for time saving but it’s way more consistent for killing both of them around the same time
Yeah back when this abyss first started I kinda got the feeling that positioning yourself better (notably more near the middle for that chamber since the new wave spawns the opposite sidd of the waddlers) was the key most of the time. Whether or not it’s worthwhile to go the wall or not I think just may depend on the teams you are using to an extent though, for sure. Its a weird chamber to optimize overall, but actually one I enjoy a lot for testing teams in (but its just rude with what the second chamber is lol)
fun video. I think you should try it with a non arlechino dps though. She is so busted that I refuse to increase her NA talent past lv 1 because she literally doesn't need it.
This is a very interesting concept, now im curious how a neuvilette will perform on only hp artifacts, not even the maruchusette set, or how raiden shogun will perform with only atk
I had my Neuvillette on Wanderer's troupe with focus on hp% until basically 2 weeks ago. He did respectable dmg ~4.7k-5.3k unbuffed per tick and crits could be as high as 20k but that was only once per charged attack if I was lucky 😂
Yeah I think Neuvi would work pretty decently doing this, though he is balanced somewhat around having the free crit from MH, but I think in the right team he wont have much of an issue!
About Arlecchino getting similar result no crit-few crit... she was a bad example and one of the few character (With Xiao), where Attack stats can give similar results than crit, any other character would be much better with crit circlet+ crit weapon
This would be a valuable series for new players if you showcased teams with more moderate crit values. I think there’s a stigma among the community that a piece with less than 35-40 CV is trash. Being able to clear abyss with only mainstat crit and solid teams/gameplay is something that needs more attention
I mean yeah I probably could, but Ive not really been that interested in doing tier list videos. Maybe I should at least test the waters for it being a simple video I can make one week lol
@@SolunerraOk thanks for keeping it in mind! I'm thinking about going for a crit pole arm and any my pros an cons lists I make for them have me deadlocked D:
@@Damoney125 if you want to do hybrid Raiden then SoSS could be worthwhile, otherwise the best generic option is probably Homa. But some polearm units may value crit rate stat sticks more, or ER lol (eg engulfing on XL for enabling a solo pyro XL to be more doable and stronger)
I just started actually playing genshin I think like 3 weeks ago and I got jade spear on furinas banner with my first 8 pulls but I can't use I cause I have no characters who use that weapon type
Funny. This was my first 5* weapon too. Even r2! It took an eternity before I had a sensible use case for it. Generally you want energy recharge first crit comes later.
There is actually a valid reason to go full attack specifically on Arlecchino (it's still not a practical reason mostly a meme build) because Arlecchino has a passive talent that increases her RES against all elements although it's capped at 3k atk though
Honestly my takeaway from this is that there is a decently large amount of power in Atk (buffed by Bennet), Elemental Dmg Bonus (buffed by Kazu) and elemental reactions like vape (enabled by Candace). [Edit to add: Also shows that Arlecchino herself is a strong carry with great talent multipliers on her attacks.] Is crit still very, very, important? Yes. Is a roll into crit usually more dmg than a roll into other stats? Typically yes, but part of that is because strong buffers can buff your Atk, EM, and Dmg% to high enough levels so you have enough of those stats and are free to focus on crit with your artifacts.
I think the answer to that is just “it depends.” Most notably on what your clear times look like with your other team, and how many dmg relevant stats you are getting outside of crit. In Arlecchinos case, she has quite high base multipliers, some inherent free dmg bonus, then gets more dmg bonus from Kazuha & Candace, gets Bennett buff, Instructors buff (120 em from Candace), and vaporize amplifying the damage. So in the right team, any unit may be able to work suprisingly well without much crit, dependant on what your other team looks like for the abyss. But the most likely characters that work better than you may expect without really good builds on them are probably the most “strong” or “meta” characters. Eg Neuvilette I suspect would do pretty well too. I also kinda want to test how Fischl does on a 0 crit build in the future but farming no crit artifacts is weirdly annoying lol
Typically, characters that heavily utilize transformative reactions, especially Bloom or its derivatives. You are however only trading rolling for crit with rolling for EM. And you'll never suffer more than rolling a stupidly high CV on a piece that's going to Nilou anyway.
I would like to do that eventually, but needing no crit pieces for two entire teams is a miserable amount of resources put into bad artifacts for one video lol. So maybe someday
hey, i have arle at C0 have her at 2400 attack, 90cr to 220 cd, im running her with bennet C2, kazuha C0 and xingqui C4 all with half decent builds considering ive been playing for two months but i cant get her to do more than 90k can anyone tell me why? Is it my characters, builds or am i missing something, seems that i spend ages grinding crit artifacts and its doing less than the no crit build.
Fischl is on a quite highly invested 4pc Troupe build on Harp, Furina was on a fairly standard build too, probably with more ER than necessary though, as I usually do that, Sigewinne was on 4pc MH with HP/HP/HP (for hybrid buffing/dps). Sethos on 4pc TF, slingshot, with ER timepiece. Same build as I used in my Sethos video recently.
A no crit build actually has been floating around in my head for a while lol. Originally I actually wanted to do an entirely team like this but farming that many garbage artifacts with 0 crit at all, plus weapons, is kinda nightmarish lol. And I think the lesson of the video is more interesting showing this on one unit. Overall its just that I have a mindset of putting down whatever ideas I have (many times inspired by someone else showing/talking about something in the game that then gives me the idea). The baseline idea for this video just comes from the understanding that dmg is calculated with a bunch of stats and my experience that already taught me more than crit matters, and this was just taking that idea to its extreme.
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He learned how Childe mains play the game
Mine has 90 crit rate and 70 crit dmg
@@Mommyastolfo
If it’s not guaranteed, it’s 0%.
no because I swear his ult never crits when I want it to. I had to repeat a showcase THREE TIMES because he refused to crit, even though with food buffs he had like 80% crit rate
Eula mains
Idk what's wrong with you guys's childe, but mine does crit pretty often. It could be that your childe does not have enough EM for big pp dmg
EM dendro players: Yes, you can. 🗿
Haha yep of course, though I didnt want this video to be just using teams where the damage is dealt primarily through non crit based damage (transformative reactions).
I wanted to specifically do no crit on a character that normally really wants to crit to fully utilize them, and I think Arlecchino was probably one of the best units at showing that! I was a bit worried people would think thats all I was going to do by the title, though (it can be weirdly hard to make a simple title representing the concept of the video that couldnt be misunderstood as being something else, hence why I used the thumbnail with Arles equipped artifacts to provide the additional info needed to establish the premise here)
@@Solunerra I know, it was a joke, also loved the video and how you managed to show you don't always need a crit build for it to work.
@@SolunerraI'm not reading all that. someone plez give me a short version😥
@@waifuslayer69creator of the video wanted to not use teams that rely on reactions and don't need crit and thought that arle was very good for showing that since she usually needs crit. Was a bit worried people would think that's all he does because of the title so he put that thumbnail as arles equipped artifacts
@@waifuslayer69tried to shorten it 😭
Soluna: “What if you don’t build crit in Genshin?”
Kokomi mains: “What’s crit?”
The -100% crit rate passive is infecting other characters oh no!
@@Solunerra It would actually be cool if they made more characters who didn’t scale off crit (and not just transformative reactions).
@@ulrikruby The most backward thing ever and I want it so badly.
@@ulrikruby The artifact substats rng are rigged and biased to base ATK, DEF, and HP which is alot worse than their percentage counterpart.
@@ulrikruby I made -3.9% kokomi so if I get 20+ crit then...
only 1 min to the video and i just KNEW that this video gonna called me skill issue in 90 different ways
Haha at least I had plenty of skill issues myself in the second half team
Luck issue, there are no skill issues in this game because u don't need skill
Unless you're someone who pulls for albedo or yae miko instead of furina
Hearing you talk about this idea on stream and then actually make the video has been surreal lol. I don’t know what I was expecting with it.
Same lol
It sometimes feel that a stream and a video are made by two different people.
Lol I swear my brain goes into a different operational mode when streaming vs recording.
So nice to see Sethos gameplay even if he wasn't the main focus
Fr I wanna play him now
seeing ppl playing sethos makes me so happy bc hes fun to both watch and play yourself. this lil guy might be THE release of the year to me
Yeah I really like how they designed his kit (though I played him terribly this video lol)
I really want him but im saving, hope they give him as a free 4 star at some point
This also goes to show how we genshin players exaggerate about cv and builds
Fr, i was playing my Navia with 50 cr and she's hit massive numbers all crits😭?
So true, although he somehow did more dmg with her even though I have her signature 😂
@@ahmdmoadiYou have a scythe, that's more than me.
Haha yep, this Arle team gets enough dmg relevant stats from non crit sources that I thought it would be able to show this, but still was better than I expected!
@@frankoceanstanaccount7126I'm not being salty but your crit rate doesn't give you more dmg, it's just state how frequently you will crit, and if it is crit dmg, aim for 150 (which is very low bcz she ascends CD) and its enough, she does indeed very good dmg with low to none investment besides level of talents and caracter
I love how you're breaking the "Norms" in genshin it's really interesting to watch
Maybe Crit was the friends we made along the way
This was so much better than I thought it would be at the start lol. TL;DR is don't undervalue non-crit circlets, and non crit weapons.
Oh, I was thinking about how the Deathmatch build I used at the end seemed very similar to the no crit build, I think there was a funny thing happening there wherein one of the odd benefits of a build that basically never crits is that it performs _very_ consistently. And consistently performing teams can feel very good. Whereas as soon as I put Deathmatch and the CDMG circlet on Arle, sure it had higher avg dmg, but especially with only 44% crit rate it brought a layer of RNG to the team that makes it end up being inconsistent enough that it barely feels like an improvement in practice. A lot of atk% (and some EM) had to be sacrificed in favor of the crit after all, but crit is a stat that does NOTHING when you don't crit. So I think another interesting takeaway of the video is that the lower investment your build is, the more value other stats have for the consistency of your dmg output relative to crit. And there is also the factor of how atk% has higher relative value w/o Bennett buff being active too!
Also, this is a minor mistake (imo), but I forgot to mention during the video that Furina is C2, which definitely makes a difference in the Sethos/Furina/Fish/Sige team. But as I showed, second half could've used a much stronger team in general for the 2nd/3rd chamber especially, AND I played it quite poorly. Which is to say that Furina C2 wasn't necessary there--it just made my skill issue and team choice not be a problem as much, despite doing no crit Arlecchino on the 1st half. Even with C2 Furina I thought it was going to be much harder than it was to clear lol. So hopefully nobody cares about that, but if you do I just ask you to keep in mind that it would've been much better for me to just use Neuvilette. But frick that.
Boy even with this challenge your builds are still better than mine💀😭
Thanks for considering my chat msg lol, if it wasn't me then a huge shout out to who did as well 👌😝
@@ahmdmoadi variations of this video idea were something Ive wanted to do for a while, so I wouldnt say it came from any one source specifically, but ty for the reminders to help me actually watch for the artifacts needed to make this video lol. That was actually the main hurdle: overcoming habits of throwing away bad artifacts and spending resources leveling "useless" pieces for it
I legit searched "what if we don't build crit on dps-es" cuz i was curious and when i saw this i was like HOW DID I MISS THIS SOLUNA VIDEO
i love your content btw, it's so original and creative :D
it should be noted when farming artifacts, you first strive to make your characters usable before they are critable. it is better to level your character and their talents up first before starting to farm artifacts. even when you start farming, farm for the main stats before the substats. it is so much more efficient this way
Only works for newbies. Not that I care if I get artifacts first or level up the character, either way I'll only go into the abyss with him after doing both. You need only all at once anyways so there is no efficient way. It's not really important for the world when you have at least one character with at least just main stat artifacts without set. I always can just put stat artifacts without set to make my char usable while farming set. You always will have some usable stat artifacts from glad or wanderer's troupe. Talents, by the way, require materials from weekly bosses, so there's no rush to level up them, unless you already have enough materials (but that's not for newbies).
the way non crit arlechino does more dmg than my neuvillette
However neuv has better aoe, and is almost unkillable with his healing
dude mine c0 level 80 nuvi does 100% more damage than her
his is c6, I'm pretty sure
@@thiccychiccy1157 the one in this video seems to be c0 or c1, you can tell because the E mark on the enemies doesn't automatically become tier 2 when applied
it's only on his polearm account that he has c6, I believe
c1
bloom and hyperbloom teams:
😅
c2 nahida: that aint gonna happen, we crittin no matter what
at this point idk what i’m doing wrong😭
If your stats aren't wrong, the support units are likely lacking. You could share UID if you want me or anyone to check what might be off.
Have you remembered to level up your talents? Lots of people forget to do so and only farm artifacts.
my builds are really good but I know I have a serious case of skill issue 💀 no shame in that.
man i cant wait to do this with my alhaitham
Yeah I think Haitham is another unit this idea could work suprisingly well on!
This video was really insightful! I really agree with how you think people over prioritize crit stats!
Better question what If you dont build er? Answer is very simple you suffer way more than without crit
Yeah ER is the most important stat in the game after all!
Kokomi: no crit? no problem.
Break effect Arlechino
Thanks!
Ty as well!
I kitted initially my arlecchino with 93 CR 157 CD because I just didn’t want to do a none crit. But with sheer luck I managed to end up with a result of 77 CR and 206 CD and now I am happy :)
I always appreciated raw attack from my 4200 atk Shenhe, the reason I save so many atk goblets and circlets now.
But you could always use 1 more attack! /j
I'd like to see this challenge with other dpses too. This video really is more of a statement on the brokeness of alrecchino than a statement on the unnecessary focus of crit.
as a bloom and taser player I'd say yes you can
ARLECCHINO DONT VAPE ITS BAD FOR U
ITS ALSO BAD FOR THE ENEMIES EXISTENCE
Seeing 5-digit non-crit damage numbers are actually therapeutic
Worst part of no crit is no fav! Love the team choice, not going with dendro easy out.
For chamber 3 you can just setup during the green construct phase. The auto targetting can be a bit cringe but you still get particle. And vape arlechino setup are generally a bit long so asimon revealed themselves once you done with your setup.
This really went better than i expected lmao
Yeah I setup a bit slowly in the first bit but I think I had at least one rotation where I setup more properly
I mean you can probably check in a genshin calculator but the visual presentaton is always welcome
I love your videos! It was fun seeing how undervalued other stats might actually be
I was also really interested in your Sethos team. I'd love it if you'd make more videos on Sethos!
im trying to think of a funny comment or smtn but this is just so unexpected 😭
The reason crit is usually so important in the substats is because every other substat can be arranged from supports, but crit can't
Take keqing, play nahida sucrose boom 450 em no sweat
Take xiangling in national, instructor bennet+ sucrose gives 300 em, Bennet gives 1k attack, then there's noblese on xingqiu and then ttds from sucrose
So in that team, if you go atk or em sands on xiangling, and doing so sacrifices crit cuz you need ER, you are throwing. Cuz none of those stats are as needed as crit
And there are so many more examples. Any carry with Bennet basically has enough atk after atk sands. Any em scaler is usually good after em sands plus nahida
I guess the only exception would be hp scalers
Yep, crit is the priority artifact stat because of artifacts being the main way to get it. But just because its the priority doesnt mean the other stats arent still worthwhile is all this video really is an example of.
Which is why I didnt say anyone should do this-its obviously still good to build crit. But for mamy players, it barely matters vs just utilizing other methods of amplifying your dmg and having the knowledge about mechanics/character kits to do so. Ultimately it depends on players personal preferences to determine how worthwhile it is to chase really rare artifacts.
"Can I 36-star using Kokomi"
funnily enough just a few days ago I was looking at her motion values and multipliers and saw that she can do around 5,800% in 15s with her signature, altho a bit lower without the signature and I was wondering if she could clear with 5% crit rate and just now you come and post this lol!
I think even with C0 she could get close clear times with some more resets and enemy AI manipulation, tho she could definitely leave enough time for second half double hydro team without sigewinne xD
I've been trying to get better artifacts for Kokomi and my god I can NOT get no crit stats on her, so I can imagine how long it took to get a full set with zero crit stats on them
BRO I ACTUALLY HAD THIS IDEA LIKE TWO YEARS AGO IM SO HAPPY SOMEONE DID IT
I'm so happy to see someone else using Sethos! He's so underappreciated imo
Its really funny how it takes you month to get good artifacts and months to get bad ones 😂😂
Hyperbloom: allow me to introduce myself
Your videos are really nice to watch , they feel very cozy and you are super nice and calm (compared to other people who do videos about this game 😭)
Anf I really appreciate the tips you give while playing it's super helpful
After watching someone who cleared everything only with Amber on the other half Barbara freeze Bloom I thought I would never see something more crazy
Video Tldr: Pull for constellations to make non crits work. Imo Arle is among really bad examples, I have tried same thing with Neuvilette, Lyney and Emilie and the flat damage multipliers/flat damage multiplier trigger time increase from cons help a lot in having those under 90s clear on one half (in Arle case it’s C1 and C2, you can even argue C6 cause one occasional crit saves 1-2s in her run).
Your Cyno team on the second half seems like it’s not the team options, but rather how you execute the combos. Probably just me but it seems that Candace burst is not up often during your Cyno’s burst (which is very important for second half this abyss reset).
he does the same damage that my arle does with crits 😿
Talents and supports matter too.Remember that!
i just returned to genshin after like a year and half, and this arlecchino girl deals more dmg non crit than my 70-220crit ratio childe ToT
Got supports and talents lvled up?
@@NEUVILLETTE500 bro it doesn't matter what your talents are. childe is not gonna do 50k-100k dmg on normal attacks consistently. he's a driver, he's not SUPPOSED to do dmg like that because that's not what he's for.
@ while talents are not the most important part,they’re still good to level up.
Le me with 70/210 build clearing anout the same time as ur non crit ☠️ .Also hats to your efforts to even try this (while we struggle to do it normally only )
this video just shows the importance of having atk for those times you dont crit
There's no issue with the dorito on Arlecchino teams, all you have to do is fast rotations, so ur uptime is when he is visible, and about to go invisible, then, save some secs and some pact for his pillars, then you start rotation again before he is visible again.
To group the two dudes who waddle on the first chamber, I have found that running to the opposite end of the chamber near the wall can help group them by cornering them because they will run to you and you know the next enemies spawn around there. Idk if it’s optimal for time saving but it’s way more consistent for killing both of them around the same time
Yeah back when this abyss first started I kinda got the feeling that positioning yourself better (notably more near the middle for that chamber since the new wave spawns the opposite sidd of the waddlers) was the key most of the time. Whether or not it’s worthwhile to go the wall or not I think just may depend on the teams you are using to an extent though, for sure. Its a weird chamber to optimize overall, but actually one I enjoy a lot for testing teams in (but its just rude with what the second chamber is lol)
This video still scares me
doing this challange is near impossible with other weaker 5 star dps characters. It would be more impressive if it was underrated 5 star character.
“Arlecchino is vaping”
fun video. I think you should try it with a non arlechino dps though. She is so busted that I refuse to increase her NA talent past lv 1 because she literally doesn't need it.
I couldve done a full burgeon arlecchino!
This is a very interesting concept, now im curious how a neuvilette will perform on only hp artifacts, not even the maruchusette set, or how raiden shogun will perform with only atk
I had my Neuvillette on Wanderer's troupe with focus on hp% until basically 2 weeks ago. He did respectable dmg ~4.7k-5.3k unbuffed per tick and crits could be as high as 20k but that was only once per charged attack if I was lucky 😂
Yeah I think Neuvi would work pretty decently doing this, though he is balanced somewhat around having the free crit from MH, but I think in the right team he wont have much of an issue!
This is what i think when i first play genshin
About Arlecchino getting similar result no crit-few crit... she was a bad example and one of the few character (With Xiao), where Attack stats can give similar results than crit, any other character would be much better with crit circlet+ crit weapon
This would be a valuable series for new players if you showcased teams with more moderate crit values. I think there’s a stigma among the community that a piece with less than 35-40 CV is trash. Being able to clear abyss with only mainstat crit and solid teams/gameplay is something that needs more attention
I would love to ignore substats entirely. Most of my characters aren't built with max artifacts :/
I mean they can be trash if you've been playing for 4 years and you have mountains of pieces like that while trying to min max.
Would you consider doing a Polearm weapon tier list after Emile's weapon releases? I feel like you have the most expertise when it come to this.
I mean yeah I probably could, but Ive not really been that interested in doing tier list videos. Maybe I should at least test the waters for it being a simple video I can make one week lol
@@SolunerraOk thanks for keeping it in mind! I'm thinking about going for a crit pole arm and any my pros an cons lists I make for them have me deadlocked D:
@@Damoney125 if you want to do hybrid Raiden then SoSS could be worthwhile, otherwise the best generic option is probably Homa. But some polearm units may value crit rate stat sticks more, or ER lol (eg engulfing on XL for enabling a solo pyro XL to be more doable and stronger)
Unrelated to the topic but what was your thought process behind not using Arle's burst to save her on 6:58?
I just started actually playing genshin I think like 3 weeks ago and I got jade spear on furinas banner with my first 8 pulls but I can't use I cause I have no characters who use that weapon type
Funny. This was my first 5* weapon too. Even r2! It took an eternity before I had a sensible use case for it.
Generally you want energy recharge first crit comes later.
the 72k hp furina is lokey kinda scary
Man I wish I had this message before genshin burned me out, I got all the super meta peeps at one point and just gave up farming for them. sadge
There is actually a valid reason to go full attack specifically on Arlecchino (it's still not a practical reason mostly a meme build) because Arlecchino has a passive talent that increases her RES against all elements although it's capped at 3k atk though
Yeah I forgot about that making her more tanky too haha
your no crit challenge is the whole build I have for her 😂😂💔
Honestly my takeaway from this is that there is a decently large amount of power in Atk (buffed by Bennet), Elemental Dmg Bonus (buffed by Kazu) and elemental reactions like vape (enabled by Candace). [Edit to add: Also shows that Arlecchino herself is a strong carry with great talent multipliers on her attacks.]
Is crit still very, very, important? Yes. Is a roll into crit usually more dmg than a roll into other stats? Typically yes, but part of that is because strong buffers can buff your Atk, EM, and Dmg% to high enough levels so you have enough of those stats and are free to focus on crit with your artifacts.
Not only is it not bad but it's also still way faster than my team lol
you arlechino literally does more dmg than my 72-210 crit ratio 2pc atk and 2pc em build (overall), and i do have kazuha too.
Me with my 70k HP Nilou: yes 🗿
Pls tell me how bc mine has only 26k w lvl 20 artifacts 😭🙏
@@Hikikomori_1101 well i use 2pc 2pc HP % set, hp sands goblet and circlet, make sure to get good hp from substats too, and have a hp sword
@@rere6845 okay mine has 26k hp 2pcs noblesse and 2 pcs EM ig its trash for her and she has an EM weapon 😞
@@Hikikomori_1101 just try to get 55k to 60k hp first. 70k might be too much without hp sword
@@rere6845 okay thanks :D
Be proud. You cooked.
yo i got an ar 45 acc thats i horible like night mare bad i would love to see if you can make something work on in lmao
Why didn't you use kazhua ult at all?
I would love to know waht chrecters work well without crit! Rolling for crit is tiring
I think the answer to that is just “it depends.” Most notably on what your clear times look like with your other team, and how many dmg relevant stats you are getting outside of crit.
In Arlecchinos case, she has quite high base multipliers, some inherent free dmg bonus, then gets more dmg bonus from Kazuha & Candace, gets Bennett buff, Instructors buff (120 em from Candace), and vaporize amplifying the damage.
So in the right team, any unit may be able to work suprisingly well without much crit, dependant on what your other team looks like for the abyss. But the most likely characters that work better than you may expect without really good builds on them are probably the most “strong” or “meta” characters. Eg Neuvilette I suspect would do pretty well too. I also kinda want to test how Fischl does on a 0 crit build in the future but farming no crit artifacts is weirdly annoying lol
Typically, characters that heavily utilize transformative reactions, especially Bloom or its derivatives. You are however only trading rolling for crit with rolling for EM.
And you'll never suffer more than rolling a stupidly high CV on a piece that's going to Nilou anyway.
I feel like this would be fun with HP+EM no crit Hu Tao
Yes. Never cared for outside of freezer teams.
kokomi impact
0:54 wow arlecchino i’m disappointed
But what if you made an entire team an atk% em hybrid build across the board no hyperbloom.
I would like to do that eventually, but needing no crit pieces for two entire teams is a miserable amount of resources put into bad artifacts for one video lol. So maybe someday
Next challenge: clear with 4 star artifacts (or 3 stars if you like pain)
I do intend to do this eventually (but on all 8 characters and farming 4 star pieces is weird and hard to force myself to break habits to do lol)
@@Solunerra really have to be careful checking double CRIT 4 stars. I hope you luck
Why do you not use Kazuha ult?
That team wants to rotate fast. Kazuha ult results in a DPS loss. Plus pyro infusion would result in too much pyro and lost vapes on Candace.
How is my crit build navia has 3.5k atk with 180/66 cr💀. I thought it was normal
hey, i have arle at C0 have her at 2400 attack, 90cr to 220 cd, im running her with bennet C2, kazuha C0 and xingqui C4 all with half decent builds considering ive been playing for two months but i cant get her to do more than 90k can anyone tell me why? Is it my characters, builds or am i missing something, seems that i spend ages grinding crit artifacts and its doing less than the no crit build.
I trake the invis dude with arli X mark
Dude's just roasting is at this point 😔
don’t build crit on any of my characters and i only use like two elemental reactions but im getting through the content anyway 😓
Bloom players: this is easy work🥱
Great vid ty
i have a question can a device being a borderline potato make it harder to clear the abyss?
If it lags a lotttt then I’d say so but you can try changing your settings if it’s that bad
Yeah if your using normal attack characters then you hit less normal attacks per rotation you can feel it especially when using eula
This guy sounds like Raiyuden
Interesting challenge
thank you for 1440p
Who needs crit when you can hit harder than the mommy slipper🗣️🗣️‼️‼️
But does it count when the other side is cracked?
can u show ur sethos team builds
Fischl is on a quite highly invested 4pc Troupe build on Harp, Furina was on a fairly standard build too, probably with more ER than necessary though, as I usually do that, Sigewinne was on 4pc MH with HP/HP/HP (for hybrid buffing/dps). Sethos on 4pc TF, slingshot, with ER timepiece. Same build as I used in my Sethos video recently.
ok well now i just suck your non crit arlechinno did more than i’ve ever done 💀
The fact that you can’t crit almost ruins the abyss 😭😭😭
Wait is this current abyss a harder one?? Ive been tryna 36 star for the first time NO WONDER I was failing so bad 😭😭
man... you can clear without any crit and i can barely clear with neuvi D:
Bro how do u come up with these vids😭
A no crit build actually has been floating around in my head for a while lol. Originally I actually wanted to do an entirely team like this but farming that many garbage artifacts with 0 crit at all, plus weapons, is kinda nightmarish lol. And I think the lesson of the video is more interesting showing this on one unit.
Overall its just that I have a mindset of putting down whatever ideas I have (many times inspired by someone else showing/talking about something in the game that then gives me the idea). The baseline idea for this video just comes from the understanding that dmg is calculated with a bunch of stats and my experience that already taught me more than crit matters, and this was just taking that idea to its extreme.
@@Solunerra thats actually a smart way for making use of all the materials and artifacts that we get that in our eyes are so called “useless”🤔
i thought about this the other day 😭 wow