Philodendron Sodiroi Scandal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2020
- I bought a philodendron sodiroi one year ago and was excited to see it turning variegated. However leaf after leaf, the plant weakened until the new leaves will not unfurl anymore. I cut the top portion off hoping new branch below will be healthy, but the "variegation" returned. Upon doing some research, I found hundreds others facing the same problem. Judging from the fact that we are experiencing this at the same time and spread out all over the world, I am deducing that this is tissue culture gone wrong (But I may be wrong). In this video I call to arms awareness (and temporary boycott) of the philodendron sodiroi until suppliers and sellers can ensure healthy plants. Also I hope someone can produce a scientifically sound answer to whats going on so we can all learn from this.
For more examples of problem sodirois, I have a story highlight dedicated to this issue on my instagram so you can have a look.
My instagram: @bo.tan.ist
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I'm so glad you are educating the public with the greediness of people! You are the hero of our green friends :)
Thank you for spreading the awareness!
I bought sodiroi 2 months ago, still hasn't showed this kind of symptom, but I will put it away from my other plants now
Hope yours is ok... those taken as cuttings from healthy parent plants are usually ok.
Thanks for the info and I hope they stop the sales of these until it gets fixed . Love your vids always
Thank you 😌
Thank you so much for information, Sean. Thank you for the awareness!!! Keep on doing what you are doing and helping out the plant community to be better plant parents!
You just saved me $60 usd from buying a “variegated sodiroi” ! Keep up the good work!
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Omg I have the same problem!!!! Thank you so much for sharing this info.
Thanks for the info. 😃 Was wanting one, but think I’ll wait.
OMG - thanks for the info and helpful insights!
luckily i 've seen your post before dealing some transaction of this sodiroi, thanks bro. now i think i am going to puchase verru or dubia that has no issue on it
I hear Verru have similar issues too... but I am not sure as I dont have experience with this 🙏🏽
@@onlyplants it's DMV. I have a Plowmanii that is showing the same issues. Although that one suffered from pest and root rot so I'm still waiting for the new leaf to unfurl to determine if it is really DMV.
@@onlyplants wow so maybe i will delay to buy some verru too this is too risky, since the price is a little bit higer too, i think it is overprice for nowadays, well let's just plant some hoyas then while we waiting the price slightly down LOL 😇😇😇.. by the way thanks bro.. I really appreciate it..
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I have always enjoyed your videos, your definitely one of my favourites (and I'm a TH-camr myself). Thank you for this information, I will spread the word, I know a lot of people from Canada have imported from Indonesia. Keep up the good work and stay true to yourself 💚
Thank youu hope you guys are staying safe over there 😌
@@onlyplants thank you, lockdown starting again, thank God I have my plants to occupy me 😊
Thanks for talking about this prob. 👍I have stopped buying many plants now due to the viral prob which I found some of my younger plants that I bought earlier this year exhibiting. It is nothing new but due to the demand now, the plant market has gone completely insane and people have started selling expensive plants that are just a thumbnail big over here in HK and is impossible to see if it is healthy or sick. The prices and the conditions of plants now are just not right. I so miss the old plant community. It is great to see the community growing but not like this. Getting really unhealthy for us and the plants. Hopefully we can pull it back on track again. 💪
Yesss I think things will normalize after covid
@@onlyplants fingers cross and pray. Not sure how long this will still last. Can only carry on and be super optimistic about it for now. 😊
Thanks for putting this out there.
Thank you for the heads up
So many great points.
I do hope this will get resolved fast. I do hope it’s not a virus but a TC gone wrong. Thank you for the video!
Thank you for sharing this information
Thank you so much for the info
Your videos are incredible❗
Thank you 😌
Thank you for letting us know. Here in Sweden there was a really bad outbreak on the mosaic virus on Monstera Adanisonii. There was a grower in the Netherlands
that got the virus but continue to grow and sell the plants. Now it´s hard to find a healthy Adanisonii here in Sweden because this virus was everywhere.
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I think my Adansonii and Brandtianum got it too.
Thanks for sharing!!
Thank you 💖
Thanks for info 😊
Thanks for the info
Thank you! i almost bought this small variegates sodiroi🤦♀️
Interesting...I Think I will cut the sodiroi out of my wish list now... Thank you for high lightning this.
Thank you for putting this info out there! I have just recently noticed mine also starting to put out these "mosaic / variegated" looking leaves on what was purchased as regular unvariegated sodiroi. Just a question, if you decided to toss the plant out, do you also toss out the pot that the plant was planted in or do you disinfect and reuse it? If so, what would your method of disinfecting be? Thanks!
You can reuse the pot I guess. Soap has good anti viral properties.
Thanks for let us know
great awareness video
ooh spill the tea sis
I liked the "I will throw it away, I have many other healthy plants that need my attention" - I have hard time giving up on struggling plants
Haha letting go feels good sometimes. 😀
Great sharing
Hi great video. Do do you know why the leaves don’t unroll? I noticed that you had one that doesn’t unroll either. I can’t figure out why this is happening. I have a very small plant with two leaves that have not unroll yet and it’s been about two months. Should I cut them off?
It could be affected by this issue too. Its just a bad batch of tissue culture that got sold worldwide. You may have to toss the plant to prevent infecting other plants.
Thank you for letting us know. This was a wish list plant for me, but I'll pass.
Curious if there's a similar issue with the Brandtianum based on your experience and others? I've noted some Plantubers having to chop up and propagate theirs after a short while. Mine arrived with signs of pest damage and root rot and is holding on after my efforts to rehab it.
I did chop up my brandtianum since it wasnt so happy. Now both the parent and propagates are happy
I was wondering the same thing. I’ve heard plant TH-camrs theorize that there are 2 types of brandtianum on the market. In reality, one “type” just looks very sickly. They get progressively smaller leaves, malformed stems & discoloration. I am definitely not a plant expert. But to my untrained eye they look like sick plants that should go in the fire
@@WoodlandT I think this whole crazy plant market is resulting in rushed sales of less than healthy plants. Lesson learned= don't buy into the hype. Incl. All the Ikea cabinet greenhouses. LOL. I like my plants to breathe the same air I breathe.
I gave all my Brandi’s away. Every new leaf distorted and was curled despite of high humidity.
Don’t throw it away!!!! Kill it first in case it grows in landfill.
Ahhh thats a good idea
Thanks
Shawn.. when you will do the pop up store just like you did before at primaflora? Pls let us know fr your youtube channel cause I dont have ig. I dont want to miss it. Thank you
Ooo Ill most likely announce on IG though because youtube is more of an educational platform and I want to leave commerce out of it. Lately belum ada plans to do the event due to high covid cases. After covid I have a lot of community events!
@@onlyplants ohh i c. Thanks for your time reply my comment.
Gr8 vid!! :)
Btw try Philodendron Birkin. Because the latest stock on market, currently has same issue like Philodendron Pink Congo. The pattern will be fade away once you're on 6/7 leaves
I hear birkins get variegated leaves only up till a certain age and then it will revert to green. You have to propagate it to encourage juvenile green leaves which should turn into stripped leaves when mature enough
hey! would u suggest getting a soderoi?
Have things changed since you posted this? Our local nursery has some gorgeous ones right now
They come in waves… every year a new wave of messages come and then silence… then they come again.
@@onlyplants thank you for responding. Do the current ones on sale have the same issues? I saw some beautiful ones yesterday and want to get one if it's worth it.
Whats the difference between sodiroi non tissue culture and tissue culture? Will this problem based on the tissue culture ones affect the non tissue ones? Here in Australia sellers have sodirois with big leaves should I buy them or they will be also affected ?
Big leafed sodirois should be ok, they only affect a batch last year or so and those didnt survive to adulthood for the most part.
Oooohhhh dear. I bought a baby sodiroi (with 2 tiny leaves n one yet to unfurl ) which was sold as Sodiroi variegated to me about 6 weeks ago. It has 4 leaves now (still very small leaves). It has not shown any sign of infection so far and I hav fallen in love with it, My baby. After watching your video, i immediately isolate the plant from the rest of my plant. I decided to keep it until it shown any sign of infection. How long did you first notice the sign of the virus? Can you clearly specify what are the sign? (I noted from the video you said 1 yellow variegation 2. small leaf 3. new leaf unfurling 4. sick looking leaf ie. blotch variegation n leaf not looking "strong". Please correct me if i said anything wrong. Is there a lab test that can be done to be completely sure? I hav watched other plant youtuber test their plant for virus in orchid community so surely someone can do some lab test to be sure. I know i sound paranoid but we r in the middle of a pandemic so it is certainly beneficial to be 100% certain. Worry plant parent here.
Hello I would give it time to see if this plant is affected. It took me 3 months to see some variegation which I was happy about. And 9 months for the new leaf to stop unfurling properly.
Lab tests costs a lot of money... I think we have to accept the results based on so many people’s experiences with the same species. Theres a risk with producing and also buying plants... we just need to be aware and be strong and positive!
I bought a tiny tissue culture sodiroi for $20(USA) I was able to seperate the plant into 5 different babies. 2 of those babies are now putting out white & yellow splashes. It's crazy because one of the leaves actually has a big blob of white & looks like real variegation vs weird patterns usually shown up with mosaic virus. Thanks for this information. I will move the babies away from the rest of my collection. Theyre in my propagation tote right now in seperate pots though. I'm honestly curious to see what happens to them so I may hold on to them just to study. 😊
I'm curious though, I wonder how common is it to find a true variegated Sodiroi ?
True variegated sodiroi probably exists and in the same abundance as other variegated philodendrons (which is very rare). Unfortunately these spots on TCed sodirois are not variegation, but sign of illness - probably mosaic virus). Although there is still a chance that you have struck gold 😌 dont give up yet
@@onlyplants is tissue culture not one of the methods to avoid mosaic though? It only spreads to the babies via vegetative propagation. TC and seedling propagation are the main proposed ways to save infected commercial crops.
Just love your plant whatever is that, dont just collect the plant because of the trend. Nature will find its own way
Just bought one of these from my local hardware store for 4$… it’s still a small plant, will update you after the summer!
I re-bought this plant and it too is diseased after a few months
In light of all this...can anyone refer a reputable exporter from Indonesia or Asia in general?
keep exposing this kind of stuff.
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I bought one in Europe this summer and it looked gorgeous but in these past 3-4 months it produced 1 new leaf that died immediately and another new leaf that is tiny and crinkly and unfurling for 2 months straight 😢 I came across your video in search of answers. Very sad, I'll probably toss it
Oh nooo… a new wave of them has actually resurfaced recently
@@onlyplants is the new wave having issues too?
that's why my hands always stopped me to add this plant to the cart on Tokopedia 😂
Wow I wish I have your hands 🥲
I recently purchased a sodiroi at Home depot and I don't know what to do now because it has white spots like variegation or maybe virus on it? Is there any update about this issue? It is safe to keep it now? I'm now scared for my other plant collections that got exposed with my newly bought sodiroi.
It is the same disease. I actually bought another “healthy” sodiroi 2 years after this video but after a few leaves it started having spots too… tissue culture has ruined the supply of this species
I talked to some people about my sodirini who started giving me that type of leaves. (Got a 1 leaf cutting in a giveaway). After 2-4 leaves it started being like that.
Some said it was a lack of magnesium.
The one I got the cutting from does not have leaves like that.. same plant.
Will try to give mine some magnesium. Does not feel like it’s this type og issue, but who knows…😰
Got the cutting in january 2022.
Its happened to too many people to be a magnesium issue 😀 but I hope you find solution to avery this disaster 😀
Just tried messaging on Instagram, didn't work, so trying here.
Thank you for the video! I am wondering if you have an idea about the timeline of when the sodiroi with the issues started showing up? May 2021 or earlier, later? I have a small one from Aleya Gardens this Spring/Summer and just love it! I hope that it isn't in trouble. Thank you!
Hello it was mid 2020. I have not heard much about this issue now I think that batch has naturally died off?
I got mine from Aleya too in 2021 and in the fall of 2021 (4 months in my care) it showed this exact same thing.
@@onlyplants May 2022 in New Zealand, got a "small form" sodiroi at the beginning of the year that has this issue
This video has affected the sale of sodiroi in a way that whenever people hear it's from indonesia they become supicious ... the price of sodiroi will surely soar after the issue is resolved and demand goes up again ... I've got mine from indonesia seller and so far it's doing very well ...
I hope yours is not affected. If its mature plant you are probably safe but if its a young plant it most likely came from the tissue culture batch.
@@onlyplants it's a young plant 😂
Oh no thank you I'm new to house plants and not good with keeping them alive yet so this will not be a good choice for beginners. Thx!
This is a rare issue affecting one species. I hope you can grow your collection sustainably and beautifully. Welcome to the plant community 🙌🏻
@@onlyplants 😊 thank you!
Try changing your screen name in something more positive... 😉 What you send out will come back to you. 💞
@@joankennes3230 trust me my screen name is all positive hence the "joke" not all are going to get it and I get that. Positive things do come my way and I hope yours as well 😊
hello sean i just want to give a little update on my plant [tissue culture since 2019 ] which showed signs of that virus.i have it for more than 3 yrs now im just asking that if its been infected how did it survive for so long when normally the virus should have killed the plant!!, ive propagated so many times now i have more than 5 of it and it hasnt infected any of my other plants in my collection i even gave some of them a moss pole and they have matured pretty well.....
I actually got another one that was supposed to be healthy but it got the mosaic pattern after a year. I left it alone and its sprouted normal leaves now. But theres no saying it wont come back. Its really slow growing which may suggest disease
From what ive read on the net that virus should kill the plant very shortly but like i say i have it for three yrs so is it really a virus thing on the TC sodiroi?.......mine is really a very fast grower thats why ive propagated so many times i live on a 100% tropical island and the temperature and light is very good all year try to give yours more light...
Thank you Sean. It's so sad this happened, I would be devastated if I had to throw away any plant that was alive.
Here in Portugal we find a lot of monstera adansonii with mosaic virus, some growers in The Netherlands had o problem with that and flooded the European market with sick plants. 😔
Oooo yes I heard about the adansoniis over in the west. Its sad cuz they are fast growers and easy to propagate. Totally no need to tissue culture them...
Is this still the case with sodorois? I recently bought some from Indonesia and now I am worried about it?
Only the batch that was tissue cultured.
Hiii, I just bought a sodoroi today and now I’m super concerned i that I could potentially affect my entire collection. Do you think this plant is safe to purchase these days?
Many new batch of these are perfectly fine now. Have you got any signs of these infection?
Is Sodiroi aff even a sodiroi or just a South American cultivar or variant of the true Sodiroi? My Sodiroi Aff is a crawler and petioles are different. Should’ve done my research before purchasing it. I can still enjoy it because it’s beautiful, but it’s from a reputable South American importer and I am hoping that they these “Sodiroi aff” variants are a southern American Variety and not a scandal or scam. Thank k you. B
Btw. I purchased my plant from South America to the States where I live.
I believe this issue is coming from a batch of tissue culture, no idea the origin. Because it affected thousands of people at the same time. I believe these tainted batches have probably died off by now, although I did hear 2 cases of them surviving the mosaic virus phase and grew into healthy normal plants.
@@onlyplants thanks so much for replying and your thoughts on this! I have been looking at my plant and I’m beginning to think that it’s a Pastazanum because it crawls with silver variegation. I’m not sure now! LOL.
@@craigwhite1944 The ones in the video are true Sodiroi which are climbers and have red petioles. Sodiroi aff is a hybrid that's a crawler. I have both and they are very different from each other. See this video for a good comparison th-cam.com/video/CvjL1jNL3IQ/w-d-xo.html
(Anyone reading the comments) I got one today and it has yellow variegation but the newest leaves don’t. Is it just sport?
If its only one leaf with variegation its probably a random sport… you can try to propagate that node theres a very slight chance the new vine might be variegated.
But if a lot of the lower leaves are variegated then the top leaves may have just reverted to green
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Early!!
Bonus video :)
i almost bought 'variegated' sodiroi for idr 1jt+ for the baby sized one but glad my guts told me to buy hoyas instead 😂
Yessss! Omg hoyass
@@onlyplants i'm collecting them now vos of you, sean! 😂
So there is not such a thing as sodiroi varietagata at all???
There may be... but not this batch for sure
can you making video review of philodendron majestic and how to care ☺️. Love all your videos
Ooo I dont have that one yet haha let me find it first
What about adansonii local variegated...
Mine is growing like gang busters... with bigger and bigger leaves so I dont think they are genetically problematic
similar defects are seen in orchids contaminated with virus during the cloning process.
Oooo looks like a tissue culture issue...
halo!
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Mine from Ecuador is doing well
Oooh because its not tissue cultured 😌
How long does it take for an infected plant to decline and die ?
Mine took about 6 months
@@onlyplants tanks for the information, I own 2 adansonii bought from a big online international shop last year (worst deal ever) they started showing signs few months after I got them in. I was clueless.
I also saw someone from indonesia, selling what seemed to be infected melanocrysums on Etsy a few days ago, I tried reaching out to him but no one answered yet ...
I have mine I water from soil to water don’t want her to died
Hi Sean,
Could you please do a video on how to differentiate between Philodendrons, Alocasia and Colocasia? They sometimes do have similiar features between them.
Also before I can even get to know the features of some variety of each type, there are already new hybrids coming out!
I am familiar with Calladium and Calathea, they are so common in Malaysia.
Philodendrons are quite different with alocasias. But colocasias are quite similar with alocasias and can be confusing. I believe colocasias are from Asia and alocasias are mostly from south america. Will look into it further :)
@@onlyplants Thank you Sean for taking the time to answer my question, much appreciated!
Omg i was gonna buy a variegated sodoroi from aroid market
Not saying all variegated sodirois are tainted, but proceed with caution if you have to.
Isn’t Sodiroi aff crawler? And it’s not meant to grow vertically,, though im not sure if that makes a direct cause to your issue.
I believe the problem is mosaic virus from tainted tissue culture sample, since it affected thousands of people in the same timespan
@@onlyplants oh sorry to hear that, Good luck
@@Jalsatnah The ones in the video are true Sodiroi which are climbers and have red petioles. Sodiroi aff is a hybrid that's a crawler. I have both and they are very different from each other. See this video for a good comparison th-cam.com/video/CvjL1jNL3IQ/w-d-xo.html
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Most mosaic viruses don't spread via foliar contact and are typically spread by pests. I spread Hippeastrum Mosaic Virus around the greenhouses one time to a few susceptible plants from mealybug infection.
Thanks for that info! I have a feeling these were infected from tissue culture production? Maybe the tissue taken was already compromised… because thousands of these occurred at the same time/batch
@@onlyplants Yeah TC taken from viral infections will result in all the offspring being viral. Same with rooted cuttings. From my understanding the only way most viral infections can jump from plant to plant is from direct contact with a wound so a sucking pest jumping from plant to plant, or cutting on multiple plants with unsterilized tools. But two plants rubbing up against each other shouldn't be an issue. In general its a good idea to isolate infected plants though to prevent that. I have several specimens in the greenhouses at the Botanic Gardens that I can't get rid of due to the rarity but they suffer from incurable diseases, I keep them quarantined and try out different things to see if they can be salvaged.
This problematic plant has been around since before 2019 August.
Interesting how no one called it out publicly. 😑
@@onlyplants it has, in the facebook groups.
dont throw her :( she needs love
She may infect other plants...
@@onlyplants quarantine her and try to make it better. maybe add a bit more iron to the feed, dont give up on her yet..
speak based on knowledge. you have to study and differentiate between variegata and diseases of the leaves.
wow pandemic also in plants because of human
No wonder all these “variegated sodirois” are all small. They’re sick and will die before they grow big beautiful leaves.
Yeah. Unfortunately I still see them being sold 🥲
so what your saying here is if u buy, buy it as a mature plant
Yeppp buy a mature plant when you can. Or wait until this tissue culture batch is over.
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Oh my lord Pam... I’m a big fan
I still see these things sold/grown/traded. The slow eventual variegation followed by terminal buds failing to grow just screams viral - not necessarily mosaic, but something.
Yeah no one has tested it or confirmed it as far as I know but it is a disease and it comes in batches. Someone is producing TC of these in large quantities in a yearly basis.
Pretty easy to tell if it is a pathogen if you have a cutting from a healthy unaffected plant. If you graft a healthy cutting and a symptomatic one and the healthy one starts showing symptoms later then it's definitely a pathogen of some sort.
Isn't mosaic virus?
It is likely
Why dont u try to seek help from a botanist?
I just send you a dm on Instagram
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