Top 10 Literary Feuds of All Time
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Mark Twain Vs Jane Austen: The feud we didn't know we wanted, but are happy to know it existed.
Twain was a fan boy. Lol
Gore Vidal vs William Buckley is a fun one. Upon being told of Buckley's death, Vidal remarked "He won't like Hell."
Gore Vidal also said this about Ernest Hemingway: "He's nothing but a "Field and Stream" writer. Upon hearing about Truman Capote's death, Vidal saud, "A wise career move".....lol. Love Gore Vidal!
Vidal had a famous quarrel with Norman Mailer too...
@@debashishmukerji I personally witnessed Gore Vidal throw a drink on Norman Mailer at one of Truman Capote's parties. I was in the splash zone unfortunately. Katherine Anne Porter called the two of them, Vidal and Mailer, "the best of our worst writers!" I was only 26 years old and was aghast!
An interesting addition to the Hemingway v. Faulkner feud is this, from a letter written by Faulkner to his publisher:
"I'll write to Hemingway. Poor bloke, to have to marry three times to find out that marriage is a failure, and the only way to get any peace out of it is (if you are fool enough to marry at all) to keep the first one and stay as far away from her as much as you can, with the hope of some day outliving her. At least you will be safe then from any other one marrying you -- which is bound to happen if you ever divorce her. Apparently man can be cured of drugs, drink, gambling, biting his nails and picking his nose, but not marrying."
-- William Faulkner, in a letter to Malcolm Cowley, quoted in William Faulkner: American Writer, by Frederick R. Karl.
I absolutely can not believe I just found this channel. Thank you so much for what you do, it scratches the proverbial itch I have been looking for on this platform
Thank you so much :) You have made my day! I'm so glad you're enjoying the videos!
I don’t know if this counts but I’ve enjoyed the Albert Camus vs Jean Paul Sartre feud :)
Very nice! I feel a Part Two coming on... Philosopher Edition!
@@BenjaminMcEvoy Hey, they both wrote novels! Have you read Nausea by Sartre? Sort of like McCarthy's Passenger now that I think of it.
Ohhh I was hoping you were going to talk about the Spanish Golden Age poets Luis de Góngora and Francisco de Quevedo. They had a hilarious life-long feud. They would ridicule each other in their poetry and I think Quevedo bought the building where Góngora lived so he could throw him out. haha. Also, Gabriel Garcia Márquez and Mario Vargas Llosa had a feud as well. :)
Have you ever seen the Norman Mailer vs. Gore Vidal feud on the Dick Cavett show? Absolute great viewing, especially for Cavett's famous comeback 😂
Oh, yes! This was a good one :) We'll have to do a Part Two! TV used to be so great - I love watching the old Dick Cavett shows.
@@BenjaminMcEvoy Yes, that on-air bout between Vidal and Mailer was astounding. But it was far from Vidal's only feud. He also took on Truman Capote, William F. Buckley (whom he called a "goddam Nazi," and John Updike (in the TLS). And there's Capote's oft-quoted line about Jack Kerouac: "That's not writing, that's typing!" A lot of writers have hated Joyce Carol Oates. And Mailer himself feuded with almost everybody. On the benign side, I just watched a Dick Cavett show with friends Updike and John Cheever. Quite refreshing!
Keep it up, Ben! I watch you almost every day.
Asked to comment afterwards about being slugged by Mailer, Vidal came back with the classic "Once again, words failed him".
More people need to discover this channel, it is the best ... this guy has me ready to retire early so I can get to reading!
Thank you, my friend. That's very kind of you, and I appreciate it :)
Norman Mailer had quite a few spouts with fellow writers. Apparently, he once sat on Truman Capote for asserting he had "no talent. None!". He called Capote "tart as a grand aunt" but "in his way a ballsy little guy"). When Mailer called "In Cold Blood" a "failure of the imagination", Capote responded "I'm glad I was of some small service to him" .
Apparently he also headbutted/punched Gore Vidal.
Philip K. Dick vs. Stanisław Lem was an interesting feud, especially when the Dick denied the existence of Lem.
Wow I love them both and never heard of that!
Dick was mostly feuding drugs, and any people involved in the feud where coincidental
@@tatianar9429 lol
Virginia Woolf's remark of Joyce's Ulysses: “The work of a queasy undergraduate scratching his pimples". Ouch!
there's nothing like some coffee and good old classic literary feuds to fuel the day right:) love it! Also, I didn't know Lord Byron has hip-hop artist / rapper potential , 14:20 ! lol :P
Lovely way to get fired up in the morning :) You're right - this reads like a diss track. Byron's quite good at that 😂
This lecture is a great service to those unaware of the seamy underside of literary relationships. I immensely enjoy your insightful lectures. Thank you Benjamin McEvoy.
Mario Vargas Llosa left his wife, Patricia, for Isabel Presley a few years ago. Isabel is the ex-wife of Julio Iglesias, one of Spain's most famous singers.
There was a famous feud between Samuel Beckett and James Joyce. The two worked together and got along famously, until Beckett rebuffed Joyce's daughter, Lucia. Joyce was very upset that his only daughter, whom he loved dearly, had been rejected. This created a rift between the two men for many years, although they eventually made up.
Isabel Preysler has enormous energy. After the Julio Iglesias divorce, she moved on eventually becoming the ex-wife of Carlos Falco, Marquess of Grinon. Number three was the politician, Miguel Boyer who, sadly, died. There is a rumor in Spain the relationship with Mario Vargas Llosa is slowing down. Time will tell!
Benjamin McEvoy, you are my favourite by far! Our views on the art of writing and many writers are similar. Moreover, i am learning a lot from you. I just couldn't be thankful enough!
Aw, thank you so much. That's incredibly kind of you to say :) I'm grateful to have you here!
Les Frères Goncourt vs everyone (even de dead ones). These French brothers wrote a journal where they could be very mean to a lot of artists. They called Baudelaire "une mouche à merde" (a shit fly ?) for example.
Dorothy Parker and Clair Booth Luce despised each other. Once they met in a doorway. Luce held the door while remarking, “Age before beauty.” Parker breezed past intoning, “Pearls before swine. “
I love your insights…most recently about “Feuds”. They’re lively, informative, sharp.
You thank someone in the discussion for suggesting the topic of feuds between literary figures to you for consideration. Good choice.
I would Bodley like you to discuss “Great Explanations” in literature…moments of clarity and revelation in characters, and the Author? the reader?
I’m a novice…if I read it's with my lips.
But I love listening to you. You do so well capturing a forever world expanding!
With Much Gratitude,
Robertson James
Truman Capote vs. Jacqueline Susanne..that's the one I would put on the list. Great video .Thanks 📚
Excellent video, I love your channel, I found it a week ago and I can' t stop watching your videos all day long.
Superb channel you have.
A quick note at 10:53, you say Mario Vargas "joza", in Spanish is more like a "yiosa".
But, really what a great channel you have in every way, thanks for introducing me to Russian literature by Chekov and Tolstoy, and how to read it.
Thank you, Saúl :) I'm so happy to hear you're enjoying the videos! And thanks for the pronunciation tip. Spanish is not my strong suit :) I'm thrilled to hear you're enjoying Tolstoy and Chekhov - they're incredible!
Nice list. I've read over the years that Edgar Allan Poe has similar feuds with other editors and writers. I'd love to hear your commentary on that someday. Thank you.
Ernest Hemingway gets into more feuds than Noel Gallagher.
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I'm on team Keats! That quote you read made me want to bitch slap Byron across the centuries! What a cad!🤣
I know, right? You and me both!
Keats > Byron
@@neroresurrected Exactly!
What about literary frienships, like Flaubert and George Sand?
Love your videos
Great video!!! I love your Channel!!
Thank you!
I love this! I’ve always known about Hemingway, but very surprised with the rest. What a novel idea your reader had. I enjoyed it very very much.
This was fun! Thank you.
Rimbaud and Verlaine need an especial episode!
Wow!!! I love your energy ...it is inspiring..... your videos are a sublime combination of 'instruction' and 'delight'.... thank you Sir for being a guiding light...much love
Hemingway was a complex and difficult character to be sure who was apparently prone to feuding with his contemporaries and although I appreciate his works of literature, I will never forgive his brutal libelous assault on F. Scott Fitzgerald(who happens to be my favorite American author)such a low blow that did not merit a reason for it to begin with such a disgusting assassination of character type of remark. A move that can only be described as cowardice hypocrisy of very poor taste as all Fitzgerald did was help him. Smh.
I agree, when I read that chapter of Moveable Feast I was so mad, I thought Scotty, (Fitzgerald's daughter,) should sue him. Fitzgerald was so kind to him and he trashed him well after he was dead.
I had no idea that Twain despised Austen. Two of my favorites! I was sure you’d discuss Twain’s scathing take on James Fenimore Cooper. Also Cervantes vs. Lope de Vega.
I wonder what you think of Somerset Maugham? I love him but I am going to have to listen to more of your videos to find out!
I love him too and think his works deserve a lot more conversation and focus!
Heinrich Heine vs Count Platen is one of the most notorious literary feuds in German literature.
It was set in motion when Heine attacked a trend in German poetry, to take inspiration from Persian poetry, which had become rather fashionable since Goethe's publication of his West-Eastern Divan. Platen, who was among the proponents of this poetry took great offence and swung back at Heine by making derogatory statements about his jewish descent. In turn, Heine addressed Platens homosexual tendencies, which where obviously deemed a great taboo back then. The feud eventually contributed to the voluntary exile of both authors. Heine went to Paris and Platen would spent his remaining years in Italy.
Vielen Dank für die Erwähnung!
Thank u very much
Very entertaining 👏 thank you 😊....
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, Jocque :) Thank you for watching!
Excellent work Benjamin! I loved this episode and as well as your bookshelf tour. Everyman's library editions are my personal favorite.
Question: Is there a reason why--in the Rushdie vs Le Carre bit--you opted out of saying "during the worst days of the Islamic attack on the Satanic Verses" after "In 1989" and went straight to "Le Carre wrote an article"?
I adore the channel by the way. I just subscribed very recently and it is very pleasant to find a gentleman with similar taste in literature :)
This reminds me of Nietzsche and Wagner, that's a good one. Although that might not be necessarily literary.
Ah, yes - we must do a part two! :) We could put Nietzsche up against a fair few people!
V. S. Naipaul vs Paul Theroux
Pankaj Mishra vs Niall Ferguson
Great recommendations, thank you :)
Theroux wrote a very funny book about the whole affair - can't remember the title offhand but I'm sure you can track it down. Recommended.
In Spanish literature, the feud between two of our greatest poets, Quevedo and Góngora (XVIIth century).
Hemingway rly told Faulkner that he got lost in the sauce
Haha, I know, right?
What about VS Naipaul v Paul Theroux or Gore Vidal v Christopher Hitchens?
You are a beacon of light in this darkness...gawwwd bless you Benjamin McEvoy
You're too kind :) Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you!
Just a little more on the Byron/Keats/Shelley story-
Byron was fit, athletic, a good boxer, and an excellent swimmer, as well as all the other expected skills of an hereditary peer such as riding and shooting, but he could neither run, nor dance, having a seriously deformed foot. Despite the wealth that came with his unexpected inheritance at the age of nine, he had a dismal childhood and youth, with an absentee father and a crazy mother. His exceptionally handsome face, romantic escapades and self-promotion as the anti-hero of Romantic literature made him a "soper-star" before such things existed.
While Byron was the ultimate Narcissist, Percy Bysshe Shelley was almost certainly high on the autistic spectrum- eccentric, retiring, shy, but with intense conviction and social idealism. He and his wife were hospitable to Byron and were his hosts in Italy.
When Keats went to Rome on account of his ill health, Shelley extended the hand of friendship to him. But Keats would have heard the stories circulating about the dissolute behaviour of Byron, while Shelley himself was sufficiently nutty that he did not inspire confidence. Keats refused to accept his offer of friendship.
Keats died in a house on the Spanish steps in Rome. Shelley claimed his body, and buried it in the grave of his own deceased son in the English Cemetery.
Shelley drowned when a storm blew up while he was sailing. When his body was washed up on the beach, he was found to have a copy of Keats' verses in his pocket, folded back as if he had just been reading. So Shelley and Keats, although often named together, were never really friends. On the other hand, Leigh Hunt, who is remembered for just one poem, (Abou Ben Adam) maintained a friendship with all three.
Just to round off the story, Byron went off to fight in the Greek War of Independence against Turkey, where he distinguished himself by his courage and leadership, but died, not heroically in battle, but less dramatically of typhoid. His heart was taken home for burial in England..... it was a pretty normal sort of heart. His brain, on the other hand .... it may be in the science museum ..... it was/is the largest normal (non-diseased) human brain on record. But before you get too excited, the brain of Erasmus was both tiny and irregular.
There was a feud between v.s Naipaul and Paul theroux (his protege one time).
1:55 I never understood why men would challenge one another to a duel when a good old fashioned match of fisticuffs would do perfectly well 🤣
I think many of these men only had enough upper body strength to raise a pistol... Some of them would challenge with swords though 😬😂
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Well, to be on the safe side, it would be prudent to stand beside Papa Hemingway any day! 😅
This is true! Hemingway, Tolstoy, and Hugo are the three I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of! 😂
So interesting! I really need this with the russian authors 😊
I love the drama! 😅
Hazlitt vs Wordsworth is my favourite! That got NASTY! 🤣
That was fascinating, thanks. One literary feud you omitted was the unfortunate one with Stephen Spender v. David Levitt. Levitt had written a book which (allegedly) plagiarized an earlier book written by Spender. There was ultimately a lawsuit in Great Britain over these allegations, which was settled in favor of Spender. The book containing the alleged plagiarism by Levitt was "While England Sleeps." As part of Spender's recovery, Levitt was ordered to pulp the remaining copies of his book, which would have been a difficult task to undertake. But he then republished "While England Sleeps using a different publisher and omitting the offending passages. The first version of the book was published by Viking in 1993; the revised version was published by Houghton Mifflin in 1995, and it includes a preface by Levitt expressing his view of the feud.
Vargas Llosa, not Vargas Josa... Great content, anyway, as always!
I mean Faulkner kinda had it coming, one must not just assume you will offend someones work and character and not get some type of reaction out of them 😂.
😂😂😂 Very true!!
Zora Neale Hurston and Richard Wright.
Ah, yes! I love them both, and am currently reading them extensively - shame about their feud!
outstanding!
"Never get involved in a boy and girl fight"-William S Burroughs ,Words of Advice to Young People
Solid advice from Burroughs!
I love uncle Bill so much, and I love that song!
When it comes to songs, I especially like "The “Priest” They Called Him"-Burroughs’s collaboration with Kurt Cobain.
OMG, this is a hilarious video! I can't believe how much I laughed. These genius writers were CHILDREN, I say! Children! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Every time I hear your voice opening a video, it just makes me smile. And with each minute there's more pleasure. Thank you SO MUCH for what you're doing, it's just great.
Aw, thank you so much, Małgorzata!! 😊
I think Poe had many feuds as he wrote critiques in a literary magazine and stepped on the toes of some of his contemporaries.
Your videos are wildly entertaining. You should have your own BBC or something TV show.
Thank you so much! I'd love to do a documentary some day :)
A fascinating presentation! But Dickens a 'tender soul'? Having read Claire Tomalin's engrossing and well-researched book on the affair between Dickens and Nelly Ternan, 'The Invisible Woman', I can't see him in a purely positive light anymore. His shadow side has been conveniently edited out of his biography.
Benjamin, I must admit that I found a guilty but nevertheless voyeurous pleasure in this lecture.
Most feuds were started by one or another form of jealousy, juicy as all gossip is. François de la Rochefoucault in his “Maximes” analysed their mechanics so wittily.
Few of them were about the dualism of art for arts sake or art to make an impact on society. Does one have to take sides? I believe not. Both can have their merit. If art is superficially about aesthetics it will still touch our soul and through this have an effect how the reader acts in life. Books that in the first place tackle social injustice can have a compelling aesthetic quality.
As you ask about feuds between authors left out: there’s one utterly interesting.
The feud between brothers and authors: Thomas and Heinrich Mann. Thomas the l’art pour l’art author, Heinrich the one seeking for societal and political relevance. Thomas the conservative and rich bourgeois, Heinrich the left leaning Bohemien who needed and resented the financial help given by his brother. Thomas, the closeted homosexual with five children, Heinrich the womaniser who had no luck in his relationships and no offspring, Thomas who won the Nobel Prize early in life.
To me the most “enjoyable” feud between Proust and Lorrain, because of the duel with the kind lifesaving end.
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Game, set and match: Byron.
I enjoyed the Mark Twain vs. Jane Austen feud. Either it was satire or he had a closet love for Jane. He did say "every time he read Pride and Prejudice". Just how many times was he reading it?
Honorable mention to Gardener and Gass
Norman mailer vs everyone❤
Jean Lorrain was the most unbelievable shit, hilariously awful. There's a lot about him in Julian Barnes's wonderful The Man in the Red Coat, one of the best books I've read (and reread) over the last year.
And so? It seems we're not talking about litterature here. Lorrain was a pure representative of the fin de siecle era, a decadent in all his flaws sure, but he was a tremendous writer and an acerb critic, unjustly forgotten. I highly suggest you give his books a try if you can, especially if you enjoyed other decadent works such as "The portrait of Dorian Gray". They are wonderfully written.
I'm not so sure that they actually would miss. Pierre killed Ellen's lover in War and Peace, and Alexander Hamilton was killed in a duel. And Andrew Jackson killed a few people in a duel, too. They meant serious business. Not to mention Mercutio and Tybalt, in Romeo and Juliet. That's indicative of what would really happen. Sometimes it would be abated. Eliza's dad in Pride and Prejudice wanted to duel Wickham in Pride and Prejudice, but the main reason that didn't happen, was because it was understood Wickham would actually take the effort to kill Eliza's father.
Earnest and Fitzgerald were actually friends, but Earnest would abuse him all the time. Hemingway couldn't bring himself to say he loved Fitzgerald. The most severe form of hatred, is suppressed love.
I'm wondering if the Feud between Hemingway and Wallace Stevens is going to be on this list.
Byron felt Keats' later work lacked growth. I don't recall it becoming a feud, but it terribly upset Keats. I thought you'd go over Byron and Southey's feud. That's more prominent, and will probably be one of the feuds you go over. Keats' Hyperion Couplet, though unfinished, is a feast. Endymion is probably the work Byron was critiquing, as it's Keats' only substantial or finished work, and it's less than.
There's actually more to that. Byron was a chief critic of Keats,, who at first liked him, but felt disappointed in his lack of growth. All the poets did. Keats wandered in those circles for a short time, but all of them agreed he didn't fulfill his own potential. That's what led to the negative reviews.
Woah? Byron doesn't have the accomplishment of Keats? He wrote a number of Epic Poems in perfect meter and rhyme. And they're substantially more cultured and educated. Byron's definitely more accomplished than Keats. Though Byron was a great ass. There's no doubt about it. He embraced that, though, and too died young.
Rushdie is a hero. I think there's some echoes of today's abysmal politics in that. Calling anything "Colonialist" is a Fatwa like dog whistle for Islamic Fascism.
Twain and Jane Austen. That gives me hope people will cite my feud with John Donne. Lol. If retroactive feuds count, and on this list they do. A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court must be required reading in every school. It would shut up a lot of these weirdos who are claiming modern society is bad. Just read that. You'll see what the world was like before Capitalism and all that jazz.
Hemingway is just a piece of poetry in himself. So is Malcolm X actually. More interesting than Neal Cassidy, both of them.
August Strindberg vs Henrik Ibsen
Fantastic feud right there!
@@BenjaminMcEvoy yess
Mark Twain: "Every time I read Pride and Prejudice I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone." - I don't know who he was trying to fool but he clearly read her work numerous times for someone who found it so intolerable.
Thank you Ben for such a great quality content as always! Been watching your videos for a while and I am usually one of the quiet viewers but it felt appropriate to drop a friendly "Hello and Thank you" note finally :)
Mary McCarthy vs. Lillian Hellman (I saw the Dick Cavett show that started it, (Dick is still with us and he introduced it explaining what happened after) and Norman Mailer vs. Gore Vidal (also on Dick Cavett,)as well as; Truman Capote vs. Gore Vidal. (Gore Vidal was quite egotistical, but Mailer is being an arrogant jerk, so I can't say who won that feud.)
No feuds between women writers mentioned ? 🤔 Mary McCarthy vs Lillian Hellman for example.
McCarthy on Hellman: "Every word she says is a lie, including the words 'and' or 'but'". That's the way to do it!
@@nickwyatt9498 I believe the quote is “every word she says is a lie,including “and” and “the.” There is a book written by Rosemary Mahoney called “A Likely Story: One Summer with Lillian Hellman” that may interest you. I read it a few years ago. It was quite entertaining and revelatory.
You're quite right - I was quoting from my (faulty) memory. Thanks for the tip about Rosemary Mahoney's book.
@@nickwyatt9498 No problem. Ms.Mahoney talks about the difficulty of working for Ms.Hellman,who was quite demanding. There are also interesting tidbits about others, such as William Styron who summered on the island.
Dueling and missing…except for my darling Pushkin. 😢
Lermontov was killed in a duel as well...
Re: the Proust duel. Fuck "honor". Honor cultures are horrors, as we see in those which have survived. Whatever value "honor" may seem to have, the body count, especially among women associated with toxic men, or having the bad luck to have been born into such cultures is very high, indeed.
The part about Hemingway and Fitzgerald isn't entirely accurate, or is at least oversimplified. They were friends (frenemies?) for a time, until Hemingway surpassed Fitzgerald in popularity. Hemingway hated Zelda and thought that she was holding Francis back. I also take umbrage with the notion that Fitzgerald was the better writer, as he stole large portions of his writing straight from his wife's journals, and then had her committed. For instance, one of the most famous quotes from The Great Gatsby about hoping her daughter would be a beautiful little fool was something Zelda said when she gave birth to their daughter. Anyway, back to Hemingway and Fitzgerald...I read a short story by Hemingway a couple of months ago, The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber, and it was a not-so-veiled jab at Francis and Zelda, and I imagine Hemingway had cast himself in the role as the tough guy hunter who was guiding the hapless couple on their safari. Francis was this emasculated man, and the hunter has much contempt for him and for his wife - though he also happily sleeps with her. I would love to know what Fitzgerald's reaction was upon reading it.
Wow, Hemmingway didn't get along with anybody. Thank you for this video.
Ha, I know, right? 😂 Thank you for watching, Beth! :)
Mary McCarthy v. Lillian Hellman. "Everything she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the'"
Hemingway was a very male writer. How about one on female writers, I'm not talking about Austin or Wolfe or the sisters Bronte.What about Mary Shelley's " yes one great work " or her mother one of if not the first feminist Mary Wollstonecraft, Daphne DU Maurier, Iris Murdough. Or Patricia Highsmith of the Ripley series. I've only just found you and I'm really enjoying yos look at writers people have only heard of.
Just imagine if they were on Twitter.
😂😂😂 That would be wild!
Hemingway was in “the sauce” as deeply as Faulkner or any other writer. What a hypocrite.
Yet another proof that Great Artists can sometimes be total idiots.
Yes, absolutely! 😂
Jonathan Franzen vs Oprah Winfrey? 😂
The Ernest Hemingway trash-talk reminds me a bit of a Trump tweet.
Mark Twain also greatly disliked the works of James Fenimore Cooper.
Sad that the could be then self to off them fight over be gay
Very sad.