Today we check out economy picking - is it really the world's fastest guitar technique or just a cheap trick or shortcut to speed? As always we check out the biggest benefits, advantages and disadvantages and after this video you can decide if you want to use this technique yourself. :) The tabs, guitar pro files and practice backing tracks are online on my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/bernth
I tend to do economy picking naturally sometimes and i think its really useful for certain runs and licks. Somethings are really hard to play with only alternate picking and there is no point trying to force it, in my opinion. I suck though :D But i have been wondering for a long time would you use more elbow movement or only wrist when combining faster licks that involve also alternate picking? For example really annoyingly tricky (aka fast) licks from sonata arctica song - wolf and raven, economy picking comes naturally on string switches as its (atleast for me) impossible to get to the speed only alternate picking. Thanks in advance for your possible answer :D
As my teacher said, economy and alternate picking are just two different techniques with different feeling and sound. Alternate picking sounds more articulate and economy can sound like a flow
@@TheLucidDreamer12 nah, alt-picking limits fret-hand to symmetrical patterns where as eco-picking facilitate assymetrical patterns, unless you have elite-level alt-picking like BERNTH.
@@catholicmetalhead398 i meant that alt picking has strength and power to the sound. The technique is really quite limiting and makes legato phrasing difficult
It really depends more on your attack. If you are an aggressive picker it sounds the same, but if you have smaller motions there is a noticeable difference
Agreed. When it becomes our only technique, it limits us. I also disparage the "slant" pick technique, like Grady preaches. It requires a LOT more pick travel:)
@MIAN BM I am not dissing it. It is "A" technique to be combined with others. You should be able to do that 3 note/string with alternate picking as well, because you don't want to always be stuck in any particular pattern. It is a straight line pattern. This question would best be asked of Steve Morse:) I came upon it naturally, when I was playing professionally for a few years. But it does one thing good... There is a pattern that I regularly practice both ways, and to be honest, I find the alternate style to be faster. But that isn't always true either. Just don't rely on it, use where it works:)
And just when I thought I was going to have a mellow, lazy weekend......along comes Bernth with something new and practical to learn. As always, thank you sir.
As a self though guitarist I learned economy picking without knowing it just because it was more natural for me to play like that. All these years later I still can't do alternate picking, which in a lot of cases is pretty limiting.
Thanks for this lesson! Economy picking has been my go to for a year now since its way more flued technique than alternating everything. Btw short review on your shredding course. Im currently on arpeggios part and its so well put down. I highly recommend your course to anyone from beginner to more advanced since you have covered it all. Personally cause i'm mainly rhythm player and singer i loved the first parts, so i understood how to divide hard sections for smaller parts in certain songs. And now im in time with our drummer! Your course has concepts that you can spend years to practise and still with your explaining get the basics quite easily. I can finally PLAY atleast some of the music that I have listened and sang for my life. Thanks Bernth!
Learning economy picking not only helped me to release stress from my right hand, but also improved my sweeping a lot. Even if you dont always use it(it might sound a bit different compared to alternate), I strongly recomend trying it out! Great tutorial btw :)
Yup, I remember when I started tapping and PPL scoffed at it, like it was a cheat:) How and why I started incorporating it it in the 80s is a funny story:)
Everyone should have their own way of doing things. That’s what makes the world so special. There is no right or wrong way. I quite fancy this technique.
I know its late, but maybe theres still somebody who sees it, question: for sometime i´ve heard some of you guys in that community saying something like:" While you´re playing sweep-picking, it maybe comfortable to change the angle of the pick." So you´re hand is hold to the direction in which you want to play (hope you understand what I mean xD). Would you also recomment it for economy-picking, or isn´t there just enough time for it? Good day out to everyone Btw, imo these are the best videos on youtube, if it comes down to that topic, thumbs up
Really great video, I have been playing 12 years myself and have never used economy picking, just alternate and legato. Recently began learning a Born of Osiris solo and some parts are just so fast it does not seem like a good investment of time keep alternate picking some sections when I have started messing around with economy picking at super high speeds and it feels much better and more fluid when you have fractions of a second to play the notes. I do agree that it does seem a bit awkward at slow speeds and alternate or legato is probably better but at least for me, economy picking makes sense to do at high speeds. It certainly is not cheating, if anything economy picking should be standard knowledge since the carry over to sweep picking is very beneficial and after learning economy picking I would imagine sweep picking would not be such a huge jump. Learning sweep picking was tough for me since it felt so disjointed from all other techniques, just my opinion.
Hi Bernth, As always I love your lesson, there is always something new to learn for me! It's great to see how you breakdown and dissect each lesson in a way that's easier to understand, just what is really going on! Just from watching your channel over the past five months, I already can see improvement in my playing! Plus I've been trying to extending my practicing time, because I have so much new material to memorize, between you and other guitar lesson channel that I watch! Like Uptempo Lessons, Steve Stine, and some others.! I'm sorry that I haven't been totally faithful to you but I'm trying to learn as much as I can, because time is of the essence for me! Thank you for a great lesson ! I'll see you next time. Todd P./USA
I find it helps me as well with 3 note per string licks because it's an odd grouping of notes, it's funny how one person finds one way hard and another finds it easy.
Great stuff Bernth your channel is vey good compared to most I see on TH-cam so Best of luck...I never thought of economy picking as cheating I learned the technique right from Frank Gambale at a very young age here in the states so it’s second nature to me and I’m most comfortable with it for most scenarios although I have met guitar purists who do feel it’s cheating which is interesting since sweeping is acceptable to them, even Eddie VanHalen believed his tapping was cheating so often he would turn his back on his audience so he wouldn’t be judged by other players and after his fame you couldn’t find a player who wasn’t tapping or using a vibrato bar, so in my opinion one should learn every style they can and use them as tools to achieve various textures, speeds or phrases that may otherwise be “unplayable” even after hours or days with the metronome, there’s nothing more frustrating than having a great lick or run in your head and not being able to play it due to lack of technical proficiency.
Thanks for the kind feedback and for taking the time to share that - I agree 100%, you can never have too many technique approaches ready to tackle challenging licks 🙂🤘🏻
Alternate- and Econemypicking can work together as well. I like to take care when compose or cover a lick or solo to the position of my pick, ok that takes it´s time for the analyses but it´s worth. If you take care of that you´ll be able to get a really fast alternatepicking.
Ive been playing for an year now, i didnt even knew that i was using this economy picking in combination with alternate picking. I mean, when i was playing scales i always used pure alternate picking while going ascending and economy picking while going descending
What do you consider a reasonable bpm an average player should be capable of playing basic licks cleanly, when alternate picking, and also economy picking?
Hey Bernth, I heard this thing a few months ago called Directional picking that supposedly combines elements of alternate and economy picking. Could you do a video about that?
"Directional picking is a form of economy picking that requires no pre-planning. Directional picking can be applied to everything you play with the pick - from simple arpeggios, through to basic rock and blues licks, scale sequences etc. It is a very efficient way to develop speed. The 'rules' of directional picking are as follows: 1) When on a single string, use alternate picking. 2) When changing strings ascending, you use a downstroke regardless of what came before it. 3) When changing strings descending, you use an upstroke regardless of what came before it." But I have never pre-planned my economy picking...so in a nutshell, directional = economy as what this guy is describing is actually economy picking if you think about it. Economy picking does not "remove" alternate picking from the equation, as when you are on a single string or you have an even number of note before you (for example) change string ascending, then you are using pure alternate (like A string: down-up-down-up then G string is hit with a down stroke, pure alternate). Of course if you pre-plan this example I just gave you, you could do A string: up-down-up-down then down on the G string (and good luck with the accents :-) )
Around 2:50 you start mentioning the picking angle and it seems like you are actually discussing downward pick slanting. Have you ever seen any of Troy gradys videos, he goes into a lot of depth onto this exact concept you mention here. I would love to see you make a full video breaking this down if you haven’t already
Hello Bernth, I like your channel very much and I am also a patreon of your channel. I used to do economy picking naturally (directional picking) and my teacher taught me that this is the right method. After some time I went to another teacher and he introduced me to alternate picking and told me economy picking is not the right tool to play fast. Correct method is alternate picking. I practiced alternate picking a lot but sill mess up sometimes. Then I watched Tom Hess's video which shows that economy picking is the right technique and alternate picking requires far more practice and time which can be saved by economy picking and it is a myth that alternate picking is better. Please lemme know what should i Practice so that I don't waste time juggling between these two techniques?
I would only consider economy picking to be a sort of cheat, if a person sucked at alternate picking. In other words, it could be considered a cheat, if it prevented a person from working diligently on their overall picking technique. To me, you need economy picking for certain licks. Alternate picking the same line may be impossible, or at the very least sound completely different, as each note is being articulated. So as long as it's an additional tool, and not a crutch, it could in no way be considered a cheat. Besides, it's not like economy picking makes difficult lines easy. It may only make certain lines somewhat less difficult.
I don't understand how some people are so fast with economy picking. I spent 5 years doing economy picking and I can't go as fast as alternate picking. But I feel like I make more mistakes with alternate picking. I've heard economy picking sound so crisp and precise before. But I need to practice. After 20 years you'd think I'd be satisfied 😅
anything that leads to more efficient motions isn't "cheating", music isn't a meritocracy and with the amount of possibilities in doing exercises on the guitar there is always more but one should appreciate small victories while at times working yourself to the bone, i've played for 15 years and i still struggle with economy picking large string groups on a purely physiological level, but mentaly it's the same as 2 and 3 string groupings, master possibilities on 2 strings and the rest gets much easier, i'd still have to grind an extra 15 years to get this good though. :P
I would be happy to try it on a different musical instrument. On the oud instrument.. Can I do that ?? Is there any special advice regarding this? As you know, things are a little different with guitar style
Hi Bernth, i was practicing sixteenth notes triplets for a descending 3nps major scale run ..I found that my maximum is 132 bpm with alternate picking...My goal is to get 146 bpm so to include them in a solo... I tried very hard, i think it would take months to develop to that speed and I have no time left for my solo... So is it a better time to develop economy picking with that lick...Will i reach that tempo without undergoing too much time if I try economy picking...
@@alessandro9740 ...I continued with alternate picking bro ...Took a couple of days to break the plateu... This is the link to the vid th-cam.com/video/OyVOKLr5gB4/w-d-xo.html Dail to 0:17
@@shivakrishnan9382 my goal for now is reaching 140 bpm 16th and now im on 105 bpm, my biggest problem is CROSS STRING. so i tried economy but its harder cause i have to think about my right hand every time i pick, not like alternate that comes naturally. any tips?
@@alessandro9740 bro, tbh i felt alternate picking to be more in control technique...Earlier, I thought it would cause major speed barriers,but I realised that if u work consistently and follow economy of motion u will get there ... Economy picking works for fast flurry of notes...Try paul gilbert vs eric johnson I recommend watching Troy Grady's yt series called cracking the code ....U will find all ur answers there...
What do you do to not get so much noise from the attack of the pick? Some call it the chirp. I am trying to clean up my playing and I am having problems with this. Thanks Bernth.
if people call it a cheap trick there really just limiting themselves and are not stepping outside the box they have made for themselves, its a different sound and can be difficult to achieve especially with ascending 2 note and 3 note per string and going from E to A to D and so on the sweep can throw you off and you naturally make jerking motions
I laughed at "some consider it a cheat" :) It's not a game .. or a sport .. how can you cheat? You don't get paid by hand motion. Whatever fits the sound you need!
That might sound chezzy but i was doing economy picking by my self. I think it has to do with my obsesion over technique. I would just sit for countless hours switching from one way of picking to another to find the best one. From one angle on my left hand to another , from pressing down the strings horizontaly to having an angle etc etc. One season i was in the concept of using the minimum force posiple with my fingers and sm1 told me this : Dont underestimate any technique. This stayed in my mind for a while untill it became clear when you said in one of your videos that u have to learn to switch from technique to technique and i was just blown by it ! Btw Bernth , if you read this. Is this the path to become fluent in technique ? Thanks !
@@Aqua-pl8qw Anything with 2 notes per string, that has more than 2 strings. Anything string skipping.. anything you want to sound as aggressive as possible. Anything with fast picking on one string. Anything with 4 notes per string and multiple strings
@@Aqua-pl8qw Well economy picking will always sound smooth and gentle, notes are flowing in a fluid, connected way. But it's very hard to get aggressive picking tone or accented notes with economy. Two different sounds, with different purposes imo. Alternate is harder to play in some situations, but more universal and it doesn't break the groove. Some people use both, but it's really hard to master even one style, and like Paul Gilbert shows, you don't have to sweep or play economy, and you can still play pretty damn amazing (and fast) stuff. He 100% alternate picks everything and never uses sweeps anymore (since the 80's or so)
Cross string Alternate picking just requires more hours of practice and I don't think it's worth it so for every guitar beginners they can totally skip it. Economy picking is the technique to learn
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Today we check out economy picking - is it really the world's fastest guitar technique or just a cheap trick or shortcut to speed? As always we check out the biggest benefits, advantages and disadvantages and after this video you can decide if you want to use this technique yourself. :)
The tabs, guitar pro files and practice backing tracks are online on my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/bernth
Thank for sharing..👍🏻 bdw... What is the ideal pick thickness to speed up picking..
@@arkabiank I personally like the Dunlop Nylon Max Grip Jazz III Carbon
picks - they are 1,38 mm :)
Thanks..👍🏻
I tend to do economy picking naturally sometimes and i think its really useful for certain runs and licks. Somethings are really hard to play with only alternate picking and there is no point trying to force it, in my opinion. I suck though :D But i have been wondering for a long time would you use more elbow movement or only wrist when combining faster licks that involve also alternate picking? For example really annoyingly tricky (aka fast) licks from sonata arctica song - wolf and raven, economy picking comes naturally on string switches as its (atleast for me) impossible to get to the speed only alternate picking. Thanks in advance for your possible answer :D
When doing the Alternate picking , is it possible to do it without swiping?
As my teacher said, economy and alternate picking are just two different techniques with different feeling and sound. Alternate picking sounds more articulate and economy can sound like a flow
Alternate picking is definitely more powerful, but economy picking gives that elusive violin-like legato tone
@@TheLucidDreamer12 nah, alt-picking limits fret-hand to symmetrical patterns where as eco-picking facilitate assymetrical patterns, unless you have elite-level alt-picking like BERNTH.
@@catholicmetalhead398 i meant that alt picking has strength and power to the sound. The technique is really quite limiting and makes legato phrasing difficult
It really depends more on your attack. If you are an aggressive picker it sounds the same, but if you have smaller motions there is a noticeable difference
Economy picking isn't a cheat! It's another useful skill to have in your arsenal to create more type of music. Thanks for the lesson! \m/
Agreed. When it becomes our only technique, it limits us. I also disparage the "slant" pick technique, like Grady preaches. It requires a LOT more pick travel:)
Economy picking just feels so natural to me.
For me... UNNATURAL... FUCK
It is, but it is also a limitation:)
@MIAN BM I am not dissing it. It is "A" technique to be combined with others. You should be able to do that 3 note/string with alternate picking as well, because you don't want to always be stuck in any particular pattern. It is a straight line pattern. This question would best be asked of Steve Morse:) I came upon it naturally, when I was playing professionally for a few years. But it does one thing good... There is a pattern that I regularly practice both ways, and to be honest, I find the alternate style to be faster. But that isn't always true either. Just don't rely on it, use where it works:)
And just when I thought I was going to have a mellow, lazy weekend......along comes Bernth with something new and practical to learn.
As always, thank you sir.
Hope you enjoy working on it this weekend! :)
As a self though guitarist I learned economy picking without knowing it just because it was more natural for me to play like that. All these years later I still can't do alternate picking, which in a lot of cases is pretty limiting.
Same here
Thanks for this lesson! Economy picking has been my go to for a year now since its way more flued technique than alternating everything. Btw short review on your shredding course. Im currently on arpeggios part and its so well put down. I highly recommend your course to anyone from beginner to more advanced since you have covered it all. Personally cause i'm mainly rhythm player and singer i loved the first parts, so i understood how to divide hard sections for smaller parts in certain songs. And now im in time with our drummer! Your course has concepts that you can spend years to practise and still with your explaining get the basics quite easily. I can finally PLAY atleast some of the music that I have listened and sang for my life. Thanks Bernth!
Thanks so much for taking the time to write that - it really makes me happy that the lessons are helping! 🙂🤘🏻
Learning economy picking not only helped me to release stress from my right hand, but also improved my sweeping a lot. Even if you dont always use it(it might sound a bit different compared to alternate), I strongly recomend trying it out! Great tutorial btw :)
Funny how some people think a technique is cheating.
Same kind of people who think guitar playing is a sport. As long as you are making cool sounds and good music you're doing it right lol
Yup, I remember when I started tapping and PPL scoffed at it, like it was a cheat:) How and why I started incorporating it it in the 80s is a funny story:)
Those people are just young people i think.
Purists lol
Exactly, music isn't a sport
Everyone should have their own way of doing things.
That’s what makes the world so special.
There is no right or wrong way.
I quite fancy this technique.
Awesome timing. I was beginnig to learn this technique just a few days ago and BOOM here you come with a lesson. THX
I know its late, but maybe theres still somebody who sees it,
question: for sometime i´ve heard some of you guys in that community saying something like:"
While you´re playing sweep-picking, it maybe comfortable to change the angle of the pick." So you´re hand
is hold to the direction in which you want to play (hope you understand what I mean xD).
Would you also recomment it for economy-picking, or isn´t there just enough time for it?
Good day out to everyone
Btw, imo these are the best videos on youtube, if it comes down to that topic, thumbs up
Probably the best lesson on economy picking available on TH-cam. Very clear and excellent pace. Great job, thank you.
Really great video, I have been playing 12 years myself and have never used economy picking, just alternate and legato. Recently began learning a Born of Osiris solo and some parts are just so fast it does not seem like a good investment of time keep alternate picking some sections when I have started messing around with economy picking at super high speeds and it feels much better and more fluid when you have fractions of a second to play the notes. I do agree that it does seem a bit awkward at slow speeds and alternate or legato is probably better but at least for me, economy picking makes sense to do at high speeds. It certainly is not cheating, if anything economy picking should be standard knowledge since the carry over to sweep picking is very beneficial and after learning economy picking I would imagine sweep picking would not be such a huge jump. Learning sweep picking was tough for me since it felt so disjointed from all other techniques, just my opinion.
Nice! Mini- Sweep picking!
yeah its like alternate picking mixed with sweep lol
I wish I'd found this channel years ago. Excellent, In-depth teaching from a virtuoso. Many thanks Bernth.
Hi Bernth, As always I love your lesson, there is always something new to learn for me! It's great to see how you breakdown and dissect each lesson in a way that's easier to understand, just what is really going on!
Just from watching your channel over the past five months, I already can see improvement in my playing! Plus I've been trying to extending my practicing time, because I have so much new material to memorize, between you and other guitar lesson channel that I watch! Like Uptempo Lessons, Steve Stine, and some others.! I'm sorry that I haven't been totally faithful to you but I'm trying to learn as much as I can, because time is of the essence for me!
Thank you for a great lesson !
I'll see you next time.
Todd P./USA
Thank you so much bernth for your lesson
Hi. Your way of showing the same thing with different techniques is really very impressive...
Thank you Christoph! I learn a lot myself by doing these comparisons 🙂👍🏻
Thank you @BERNTH for sharing all this important knowledge with us! Greetings from Portugal 🙏🎸🤘
Saludos desde tigre bs as !! Sigo todas las clases !! SOS un crack !!
You keep saving my life, thank you so much
Thanks! I thought that it works with 3 notes per string patterns. Very interesting;)
I find it helps me as well with 3 note per string licks because it's an odd grouping of notes, it's funny how one person finds one way hard and another finds it easy.
Great stuff Bernth your channel is vey good compared to most I see on TH-cam so Best of luck...I never thought of economy picking as cheating I learned the technique right from Frank Gambale at a very young age here in the states so it’s second nature to me and I’m most comfortable with it for most scenarios although I have met guitar purists who do feel it’s cheating which is interesting since sweeping is acceptable to them, even Eddie VanHalen believed his tapping was cheating so often he would turn his back on his audience so he wouldn’t be judged by other players and after his fame you couldn’t find a player who wasn’t tapping or using a vibrato bar, so in my opinion one should learn every style they can and use them as tools to achieve various textures, speeds or phrases that may otherwise be “unplayable” even after hours or days with the metronome, there’s nothing more frustrating than having a great lick or run in your head and not being able to play it due to lack of technical proficiency.
Thanks for the kind feedback and for taking the time to share that - I agree 100%, you can never have too many technique approaches ready to tackle challenging licks 🙂🤘🏻
Thanks for a great video. Simple, concise and with a great exercise with which to start practising.
Again, amazing job with this lesson man...you are a wealth of knowledge thanks for taking the time to make these videos! Much respect!
Thanks for the kind feedback, happy you enjoy the content! 🤘🏻
I always get this style mix up with sweep
Really amazing information . Very cool stuff . Simple yet complex . If you mostly alternate and legato .
Great video. Well explained!!
Super helpful, as always.
Legend! That's why I do love you very nice content, would see more exercises for sure with this picking
You are a great guitar instructor!
Alternate- and Econemypicking can work together as well. I like to take care when compose or cover a lick or solo to the position of my pick, ok that takes it´s time for the analyses but it´s worth. If you take care of that you´ll be able to get a really fast alternatepicking.
Wow that's a very fantastic technique. Thank you! 👏
Thanks coach ❤
Omg just found this account, this is gold
I’m here because I’m trying to learn the cliffs of Dover intro and I think I need to learn this first.
Ive been playing for an year now, i didnt even knew that i was using this economy picking in combination with alternate picking. I mean, when i was playing scales i always used pure alternate picking while going ascending and economy picking while going descending
What do you consider a reasonable bpm an average player should be capable of playing basic licks cleanly, when alternate picking, and also economy picking?
Hey Bernth, I heard this thing a few months ago called Directional picking that supposedly combines elements of alternate and economy picking. Could you do a video about that?
"Directional picking is a form of economy picking that requires no pre-planning.
Directional picking can be applied to everything you play with the pick - from
simple arpeggios, through to basic rock and blues licks, scale sequences etc. It is
a very efficient way to develop speed.
The 'rules' of directional picking are as follows:
1) When on a single string, use alternate picking.
2) When changing strings ascending, you use a downstroke regardless of what
came before it.
3) When changing strings descending, you use an upstroke regardless of what
came before it."
But I have never pre-planned my economy picking...so in a nutshell, directional = economy as what this guy is describing is actually economy picking if you think about it.
Economy picking does not "remove" alternate picking from the equation, as when you are on a single string or you have an even number of note before you (for example) change string ascending, then you are using pure alternate (like A string: down-up-down-up then G string is hit with a down stroke, pure alternate). Of course if you pre-plan this example I just gave you, you could do A string: up-down-up-down then down on the G string (and good luck with the accents :-) )
Around 2:50 you start mentioning the picking angle and it seems like you are actually discussing downward pick slanting. Have you ever seen any of Troy gradys videos, he goes into a lot of depth onto this exact concept you mention here. I would love to see you make a full video breaking this down if you haven’t already
Hello Bernth, I like your channel very much and I am also a patreon of your channel. I used to do economy picking naturally (directional picking) and my teacher taught me that this is the right method. After some time I went to another teacher and he introduced me to alternate picking and told me economy picking is not the right tool to play fast. Correct method is alternate picking. I practiced alternate picking a lot but sill mess up sometimes. Then I watched Tom Hess's video which shows that economy picking is the right technique and alternate picking requires far more practice and time which can be saved by economy picking and it is a myth that alternate picking is better. Please lemme know what should i Practice so that I don't waste time juggling between these two techniques?
Hi Bernth, I, myself don't see it as a cheap trick, it looked fine to me, they must be mad because they can't do it like you!
Todd P./USA
That guitar is sick! 🎸🔥
I would only consider economy picking to be a sort of cheat, if a person sucked at alternate picking. In other words, it could be considered a cheat, if it prevented a person from working diligently on their overall picking technique. To me, you need economy picking for certain licks. Alternate picking the same line may be impossible, or at the very least sound completely different, as each note is being articulated. So as long as it's an additional tool, and not a crutch, it could in no way be considered a cheat. Besides, it's not like economy picking makes difficult lines easy. It may only make certain lines somewhat less difficult.
Thanks for the video .. very good information 🤘🏼
Thanks so much for this video
Your awesome Bernth🤘🏻🤘🏻
Could you tell me in which video you touch on the picking angle?
This looks like it might be fun to try with "spirit of radio" beginning from Rush....or a complete pain in the ass lol
Excellent Lesson !👍
Thank you
thank you for a great lessons
thanks birnth!
I don't understand how some people are so fast with economy picking. I spent 5 years doing economy picking and I can't go as fast as alternate picking. But I feel like I make more mistakes with alternate picking. I've heard economy picking sound so crisp and precise before. But I need to practice. After 20 years you'd think I'd be satisfied 😅
Very nice!
Guada Typ dieser Bernth! ❤️
I am still a beginner and this is very useful
anything that leads to more efficient motions isn't "cheating", music isn't a meritocracy and with the amount of possibilities in doing exercises on the guitar there is always more but one should appreciate small victories while at times working yourself to the bone, i've played for 15 years and i still struggle with economy picking large string groups on a purely physiological level, but mentaly it's the same as 2 and 3 string groupings, master possibilities on 2 strings and the rest gets much easier, i'd still have to grind an extra 15 years to get this good though. :P
First video i see somebody explains this properly
I would be happy to try it on a different musical instrument.
On the oud instrument..
Can I do that ??
Is there any special advice regarding this?
As you know, things are a little different with guitar style
Hi Bernth, i was practicing sixteenth notes triplets for a descending 3nps major scale run ..I found that my maximum is 132 bpm with alternate picking...My goal is to get 146 bpm so to include them in a solo...
I tried very hard, i think it would take months to develop to that speed and I have no time left for my solo...
So is it a better time to develop economy picking with that lick...Will i reach that tempo without undergoing too much time if I try economy picking...
hey tell me your progress now
@@alessandro9740 ...I continued with alternate picking bro ...Took a couple of days to break the plateu...
This is the link to the vid
th-cam.com/video/OyVOKLr5gB4/w-d-xo.html
Dail to 0:17
@@shivakrishnan9382 cool bro!
@@shivakrishnan9382 my goal for now is reaching 140 bpm 16th
and now im on 105 bpm, my biggest problem is CROSS STRING. so i tried economy but its harder cause i have to think about my right hand every time i pick, not like alternate that comes naturally.
any tips?
@@alessandro9740 bro, tbh i felt alternate picking to be more in control technique...Earlier, I thought it would cause major speed barriers,but I realised that if u work consistently and follow economy of motion u will get there ... Economy picking works for fast flurry of notes...Try paul gilbert vs eric johnson
I recommend watching Troy Grady's yt series called cracking the code ....U will find all ur answers there...
What do you do to not get so much noise from the attack of the pick? Some call it the chirp. I am trying to clean up my playing and I am having problems with this. Thanks Bernth.
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This thing twists my brain and I cannot focus on anything else. Impossible to synchronize right and left hands.
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Is it okey to use economy instead of alternate from the start or alternate is mandatory? Any of you can share your thoughts please.
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if people call it a cheap trick there really just limiting themselves and are not stepping outside the box they have made for themselves, its a different sound and can be difficult to achieve especially with ascending 2 note and 3 note per string and going from E to A to D and so on
the sweep can throw you off and you naturally make jerking motions
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When I'm coming back down, I can't help but get a scratchy type sound
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I laughed at "some consider it a cheat" :) It's not a game .. or a sport .. how can you cheat? You don't get paid by hand motion. Whatever fits the sound you need!
Looks like i was already doing both when appropriate
And what gear you us plz tel in video
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That might sound chezzy but i was doing economy picking by my self.
I think it has to do with my obsesion over technique.
I would just sit for countless hours switching from one way of picking to another to find the best one. From one angle on my left hand to another , from pressing down the strings horizontaly to having an angle etc etc.
One season i was in the concept of using the minimum force posiple with my fingers and sm1 told me this : Dont underestimate any technique.
This stayed in my mind for a while untill it became clear when you said in one of your videos that u have to learn to switch from technique to technique and i was just blown by it !
Btw Bernth , if you read this. Is this the path to become fluent in technique ?
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This is maybe a good way of getting used to sweep picking.
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Your hand looks like guitarist Marty Friedman.
Please zoom the right hand
It's not cheating, but it's not universal. You can play everything with alternate (like Paul Gilbert), but you can play only some things with ecomony
What would things you can´t play with economy?
@@Aqua-pl8qw Anything with 2 notes per string, that has more than 2 strings. Anything string skipping.. anything you want to sound as aggressive as possible. Anything with fast picking on one string. Anything with 4 notes per string and multiple strings
@@shredd5705 Thank you. The part about agressive sound was very important to me since I´m working at rock guitar skills right now
@@Aqua-pl8qw Well economy picking will always sound smooth and gentle, notes are flowing in a fluid, connected way. But it's very hard to get aggressive picking tone or accented notes with economy. Two different sounds, with different purposes imo. Alternate is harder to play in some situations, but more universal and it doesn't break the groove. Some people use both, but it's really hard to master even one style, and like Paul Gilbert shows, you don't have to sweep or play economy, and you can still play pretty damn amazing (and fast) stuff. He 100% alternate picks everything and never uses sweeps anymore (since the 80's or so)
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I think 🤔 economy picking is easier than alternate picking
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Which guitar you using ?
Cross string Alternate picking just requires more hours of practice and I don't think it's worth it so for every guitar beginners they can totally skip it. Economy picking is the technique to learn
I think if you want to economise your playing to the max you have to not pick at all.
Different sound
everybody do this unconsciously
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Fact: this is how all the famous shred guys pick every note. They just do it so fast you can’t tell the difference.
your only as good as your technique lol . nothing is a cheat unless your using robotic hands jk
Please don't talk so much in the beginning of your video