I agree, if you use current handball rules, that should not be a handball, because it was unintentional and Kai's hand was in a natural position. Not only did VAR assume that the ball hit the hand (with inconclusive evidence) but on top of that they concluded that it was intentional by Kai or his hand was not within the natural silute of his body...
@@Baking_baked correct. I was wrong. When I read the rules it was under a clause regarding the defender. In this case it is an attacker. And I just learnt that an attacker cannot score a goal with the hand regardless of intent.
No conclusive evidence of handball. To overturn onfield decision of goal, needs to be clear handball and it wasn’t. VAR chose to ignore the contact Saliba made on the ball in the Brighton game and just focus on the collision afterwards. So what we saying is VAR can pick and chose when it decides to see ball contact. Also this referee Chris Kavanagh was same ref that sent Declan Rice off for kicking a ball away, forcing Arsenal to play half a game with 10 men, and subsequent suspension meant he missed a NLD. Villa number 44 Kamara already on a yellow, kicked the ball away in the last minutes of injury time when 3 Arsenal players trying to get the ball off him. Clearly delaying a restart but no second yellow issued. People want to pick when to apply a “clear” breach of a rule. Arsenal been reffed different all season, this just the latest example.
@ryanarcher241 no conclusive evidence... except the multiple video angles that clearly show it hitting his hand and going in the net. Correctly ruled out, VAR got this one right!
Why because it’s hand ball and you all love to play the victim 😭😭😭it’s not fair the goal should stand because we dot like to play by the rules Unless it goes our way
@originalherdsman3524 ball to hand or not, the rule is the rule, you can't score with the hand. Whether it's in his pocket, up his @55 or signaling a bus, it was correctly ruled out in accordance with the rules.
At the beginning of the season when Arsenal was penalized twice by kicking the ball after referees whistle had gone. On Saturday, (Brentford vs Liverpool) Brentford attacker shot at goal after the referee had blown several seconds before. Nothing happened!!! No caution, no yellow card, where is the VAR consistency??? Arsenal always a scape goat.
The ball clearly hit his right hand and took a major deflection. How is this still being discussed is puzzling me more than Odegaards bouncing ball maneuver at. Anfield being let off.
@@02loganyou’re a liar, you will say whatever suits your team. It’s clear it hits his hip area but it is not clear it hits his hand. There is no movement of his hand when there would be if the ball was truck this hard. And we shan’t mention TAA pulling down martinelli in the box in that game you mentioned. 🙄
Anything that involves Webb must come with problems. It seems that Webb has given instructions on Arsenal to be referred differently with separate rules known to Webb and his cohorts.
It doesn't have to be deliberate , any contact with his hand or arm disallows the goal and it's only deluded Arsenal fans that think it didn't touch his arm
As an Arsenal Fan we should learn to win the overwhelming so the is no chance of VAR or REFS to determine our fade we were up 2:0 we should have kept it that way
Your thought seems right but this is football, if you scored 2 goals first, nothing stop the opponent to fight back and scored. But in this case, after the equaliser, Arsenal fought back again to get the winning goal but the referee's awkward decision spoilt the show.
Going up 2-0 doesn't garrantee that you won conceed goal goal, arsenal player better but were not clinical in front of the goal, as villa was, but merino goal should have stand, it was a clear goal, no handball
The question is: why are the referees held accountable to the higher standard? Why did these referees ruin Arsenals' chance of wing season in season out? Why are these incidents investigated and criminals are punished for their irresponsible character? Wow, Arsenal is the only team for a long time that has been treated unjustly and unfairly.
The VAR technology has caused too many controversial decisions and has caused significant disruption to the flow of the game. It has alos caused increased levels of frustration and anger among players and fans. It is an unnecessary addition to the game and should be abolished.
That is not an handball, the position of havertz hand should have stopped the ball, if he had used his hand, we all know that someone doesn't want arsenal to ever win EPL, but I won't blame VAR for this, it is the players and Arteta I would blame for not signing a proper striker in the summer, and it has now come back to bite us in the back really add, I hope, Arteta is learning from his mistakes, and never trust or put your hope in one basket like he had done this season, we all asked for a good saka replacement, and a good striker, like we all saw something like this happening, but he refused and was busy signing defenders and midfielders, telling us he believes in his players, we all believe in them, but when a player is not giving you what you want on the pitch, it is high time you start thinking of replacement, that is why Guardiola is the most successful coach in EPL, he never compromise the standard and level of his team or players, any player that stays must have a level he must be able to deliver, but is Arteta demanding such level from our players, we should stop using injuries as excuse to defend the reason why our performance as been poor this season, arsenal needs a striker defenders would be scared of, not toothless havertz or soft bones Jesus that can't go a full season without picking up an injury, Now we are rushing in a panic buy to get a striker, no club in their right senses would sell their important striker in January, when we could have splash the money to get these strikers Arteta and edu were busy playing cards over it, Osimhen was willing to move away from Napoli at all cost that such a player had to settle for galatasaray, sesko, didn't even looked our way, and yet we are still bent on signing him, such player won't play their heart for the team, Gyokeres was a deal that only needed money to unlock it but we became tight fisted, I won't be surprise if we don't sign any important or key player this January, because Arteta had blown our chances of ever getting anyone of them, even zubimendi, I don't think he will ever sign for arsenal, we should just forget about this season and focus on how we can build on what we have now for next season. Unless miracle happens and Salah gets injured.
I been thinking for many years, will any coach ask his player train to shoot on opponent player's hand rather than shoot on target? Shoot on target might be saved by keeper, but shoot on opponent player's hand will gain you a penalty and mayb yelllow card or even red card, kill 2 birds with 1 stone ya~!🤣
You can’t score a goal with your hand. Whether it was ‘ball to hand’ or your hand was in a natural position or whatever doesn’t matter. If it goes in directly after touching your arm in any way it’s not a goal.
No need to say anything more. Referees and var officials are against arsenal We dont have 19 opponents but we need to add all these referees and var officials Its too much to carry for arsenal We just hope one day there will be some justice
You cannot score with the hand, even during the build-up to the goal. That is clear. I resigned to that fact begrudgingly at the time. But I have since not found any strong, compelling case that the ball had touched much less brushed Havertz' right hand (at that time I thought it had hit his left that he tucked in). VAR Paul Tierney certainly thought so. That still photo making rounds is manipulated to capture or rather "simulate" the touch, but if you study the slow mo, the ball had already bounced off the right side of his abdomen. You cannot conclusively say it hit the outstretched arm (although inadvertently).
So hands should be chopped off while playing because we don't know which position should be when there is a contact with a ball because clearly there is always an inevitable situation the ball comes contact with hand
Yeah , havert should have score with that hand .. just like Henry the handball clown at World Cup … bunch of cheater ,,, arsenal fall off so much ever since ref David cotee was caught
The ball came off the inside of his right arm and went directly into the goal. The rules are clear, the goal is disallowed for handball. There is no ambiguity, there is no confusion, it's not a goal and was disallowed. It doesn't make any difference how entitled you are as supporters, it makes no difference regarding other decisions, it was no goal. End of story. However, an entirely different story is how Havertz can possibly claim that it came off his chest when the videos clearly show it coming off his arm. I suppose it all fits into his behaviour like diving for free kicks/penalties, clutching his face when there was no contact. Perhaps he feels that this shameful behaviour goes some way to mitigating against his poor performance in front of goal. Oh he scored yesterday, I hear the entitled ones saying. Yes, he did. He also misses loads on a consistent basis. Long may he continue in the side, along with the defender whose name won't be put into writing by me.
Look again. It's not true that it came off his right hand. How can it hit his right hand when he clearly twisted his body to avoid the ball hitting his arm? It came off his torso and that's never a handball
Because you hate Harverts doesn't make decision right, that hand was in nature position as we have seen similar handballs waved ,maybe if u cut off his arm but his hand was at his chest.
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I agree, if you use current handball rules, that should not be a handball, because it was unintentional and Kai's hand was in a natural position. Not only did VAR assume that the ball hit the hand (with inconclusive evidence) but on top of that they concluded that it was intentional by Kai or his hand was not within the natural silute of his body...
Except you cannot score directly from a handball. Thats the rule
@@Baking_baked correct. I was wrong. When I read the rules it was under a clause regarding the defender. In this case it is an attacker. And I just learnt that an attacker cannot score a goal with the hand regardless of intent.
No conclusive evidence of handball. To overturn onfield decision of goal, needs to be clear handball and it wasn’t.
VAR chose to ignore the contact Saliba made on the ball in the Brighton game and just focus on the collision afterwards. So what we saying is VAR can pick and chose when it decides to see ball contact.
Also this referee Chris Kavanagh was same ref that sent Declan Rice off for kicking a ball away, forcing Arsenal to play half a game with 10 men, and subsequent suspension meant he missed a NLD. Villa number 44 Kamara already on a yellow, kicked the ball away in the last minutes of injury time when 3 Arsenal players trying to get the ball off him. Clearly delaying a restart but no second yellow issued.
People want to pick when to apply a “clear” breach of a rule. Arsenal been reffed different all season, this just the latest example.
@ryanarcher241 no conclusive evidence... except the multiple video angles that clearly show it hitting his hand and going in the net. Correctly ruled out, VAR got this one right!
Ball to hand
@@trickyrickymtb5622I have yet to see such evidence. Could you point me to it, please?
@@mthokozisicele2973So?
😭Love your tear's!!😭🤣😭
Give our points back .... stupid VAR
VAT gotbthis one right.. th-cam.com/users/shortsvsxrKKhB16w?si=8QwjqYRBYZL_c5ly
The VAR team should all be dismissed
Why because it’s hand ball and you all love to play the victim
😭😭😭it’s not fair the goal should stand because we dot like to play by the rules
Unless it goes our way
The decision is correct by VAR. Find the view from behind the goal, clearly shows the deflection off the arm.
Ball to hand NOT hand to ball !
Not intentional.
Arsenal robbed with this two tier effing once again !!!
@kalisyanelson4217 what, for getting one right!?
@originalherdsman3524 ball to hand or not, the rule is the rule, you can't score with the hand. Whether it's in his pocket, up his @55 or signaling a bus, it was correctly ruled out in accordance with the rules.
These officials are corrupt.
VAR & ASTON VILLA VS ARSENAL 😢
At the beginning of the season when Arsenal was penalized twice by kicking the ball after referees whistle had gone. On Saturday, (Brentford vs Liverpool) Brentford attacker shot at goal after the referee had blown several seconds before. Nothing happened!!! No caution, no yellow card, where is the VAR consistency??? Arsenal always a scape goat.
"We think it brushes the arm but we're not sure...?"
So if you're NOT SURE why is it ruled out...?
So what if it hit the defenders hand and stop it from going in? Would that be a penalty? Regardless it was in a natural position right?
@sitaylor what that's where it's wrong! It hit the hand regardless!
@@sitaylor what's haverts hand in a natural or unnatural? Would of it went in if it didn't hit haverts?
@@sitaylor f off 😂😂 would of saved he was going the complete opposite way 😂😂 tell your a villa fan 😂😂 you need to drop that crck pipe
His hand was in a natural position.
@@jamesusanashville9678 irrelevant, the rule is clear, you can't score with the hand.
If the same ball hits the villa player and deflects into the net..will the referee say it was a handful or penalty?
@@richardenaohwo7131 - if my dog shits gold is it dog shit or gold?
@richardenaohwo7131 Again irrelevant, the rule is that teams cannot score a goal with the hand.
No it wasn’t. Specsavers for you sonny.👍
The ball clearly hit his right hand and took a major deflection. How is this still being discussed is puzzling me more than Odegaards bouncing ball maneuver at. Anfield being let off.
if that was a defenders arm would you give a pen?
@ if it PREVENTED the ball from entering, then yes.
Spot on
@@02loganyou’re a liar, you will say whatever suits your team. It’s clear it hits his hip area but it is not clear it hits his hand. There is no movement of his hand when there would be if the ball was truck this hard.
And we shan’t mention TAA pulling down martinelli in the box in that game you mentioned. 🙄
Anything that involves Webb must come with problems. It seems that Webb has given instructions on Arsenal to be referred differently with separate rules known to Webb and his cohorts.
it hit his hand, the direction of the ball was changed by the hand and that helped Havertz, so it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not.
My biggest problem with this decision is they took too lil time to look at it.
If he thinks it probably brushes his arm but doesn’t know for sure it ain’t clear and obvious. I thought it hit his hip
Clear and obvious.. th-cam.com/users/shortsvsxrKKhB16w?si=8QwjqYRBYZL_c5ly
It doesn't have to be deliberate , any contact with his hand or arm disallows the goal and it's only deluded Arsenal fans that think it didn't touch his arm
As an Arsenal Fan we should learn to win the overwhelming so the is no chance of VAR or REFS to determine our fade we were up 2:0 we should have kept it that way
Your thought seems right but this is football, if you scored 2 goals first, nothing stop the opponent to fight back and scored. But in this case, after the equaliser, Arsenal fought back again to get the winning goal but the referee's awkward decision spoilt the show.
Going up 2-0 doesn't garrantee that you won conceed goal goal, arsenal player better but were not clinical in front of the goal, as villa was, but merino goal should have stand, it was a clear goal, no handball
You sound like they weren't playing against men...
The question is: why are the referees held accountable to the higher standard? Why did these referees ruin Arsenals' chance of wing season in season out? Why are these incidents investigated and criminals are punished for their irresponsible character? Wow, Arsenal is the only team for a long time that has been treated unjustly and unfairly.
Haverts tried to hide the hand
It cannot be handball if it doesn’t hit your arm 🤷🏽♂️
Clear amd obvious.. th-cam.com/users/shortsvsxrKKhB16w?si=8QwjqYRBYZL_c5ly
The VAR technology has caused too many controversial decisions and has caused significant disruption to the flow of the game. It has alos caused increased levels of frustration and anger among players and fans. It is an unnecessary addition to the game and should be abolished.
That is not an handball, the position of havertz hand should have stopped the ball, if he had used his hand, we all know that someone doesn't want arsenal to ever win EPL, but I won't blame VAR for this, it is the players and Arteta I would blame for not signing a proper striker in the summer, and it has now come back to bite us in the back really add, I hope, Arteta is learning from his mistakes, and never trust or put your hope in one basket like he had done this season, we all asked for a good saka replacement, and a good striker, like we all saw something like this happening, but he refused and was busy signing defenders and midfielders, telling us he believes in his players, we all believe in them, but when a player is not giving you what you want on the pitch, it is high time you start thinking of replacement, that is why Guardiola is the most successful coach in EPL, he never compromise the standard and level of his team or players, any player that stays must have a level he must be able to deliver, but is Arteta demanding such level from our players, we should stop using injuries as excuse to defend the reason why our performance as been poor this season, arsenal needs a striker defenders would be scared of, not toothless havertz or soft bones Jesus that can't go a full season without picking up an injury, Now we are rushing in a panic buy to get a striker, no club in their right senses would sell their important striker in January, when we could have splash the money to get these strikers Arteta and edu were busy playing cards over it, Osimhen was willing to move away from Napoli at all cost that such a player had to settle for galatasaray, sesko, didn't even looked our way, and yet we are still bent on signing him, such player won't play their heart for the team, Gyokeres was a deal that only needed money to unlock it but we became tight fisted, I won't be surprise if we don't sign any important or key player this January, because Arteta had blown our chances of ever getting anyone of them, even zubimendi, I don't think he will ever sign for arsenal, we should just forget about this season and focus on how we can build on what we have now for next season. Unless miracle happens and Salah gets injured.
After that rant... th-cam.com/users/shortsvsxrKKhB16w?si=8QwjqYRBYZL_c5ly 😂
As an Arsenal fan.... during Wenger time we used to score clean goals...
That referee murt be burner for others to learn.this things always happens to arsenal.we have referee's politics in England League
Liverpool have been robbed more, including at Emirates.
Why are the referees joking with our victories all the time?
If the ball hits a hand or arm and goes into the net it is handball and will not count
But it didn't
But it doesn’t hit the arm… it just suits you to say it 🙄
It was a handball. No need to argue what was glaring. Can't score a goal by hand. Always put yourself in the opponents shoes and consider the reverse
YOU BLOODY DUMB! His hand didn't make it go in! So what if it hit the defenders hand to stop it going in? Would that be a penalty?
@sitaylor yeah you can't USE your hands but what I'm saying you lemon is irs hot defenders hands/arms and not rewarded penalties!!
@sitaylor 😂😂😂 too funny
Webb is the mastermind on this goal denial.
The rule states if the ball it's the arm or hand leading to a goal then the goal won't stand
WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU DUMB ARSEHOLE FANS UNDERSTAND
Arsenal is not liked this is not the first time. Epl is a mess
I don't want to watch premier because of the bullshit that is taking place. Disallowing goals that are right. What kind of nonsense is that.
I been thinking for many years, will any coach ask his player train to shoot on opponent player's hand rather than shoot on target? Shoot on target might be saved by keeper, but shoot on opponent player's hand will gain you a penalty and mayb yelllow card or even red card, kill 2 birds with 1 stone ya~!🤣
Arsenal 2 up at home and crying about a clear handball at the end..got themselves to blame for the outcome , 😂😂😂😂UTV...
AI rubbish narration. It was at the Emirates Stadium and not Villa Park.
Why always making Arsenal a scape goat? Another clear robbery.
Not robbed.. th-cam.com/users/shortsvsxrKKhB16w?si=8QwjqYRBYZL_c5ly
It was ball to hand. Webb is always against Arsenal. We know him as a threat to the Gunners
You can’t score a goal with your hand. Whether it was ‘ball to hand’ or your hand was in a natural position or whatever doesn’t matter. If it goes in directly after touching your arm in any way it’s not a goal.
No need to say anything more.
Referees and var officials are against arsenal
We dont have 19 opponents but we need to add all these referees and var officials
Its too much to carry for arsenal
We just hope one day there will be some justice
You have to be trolling? It very clearly hits his outstretched arm....
Has be deliberate handball and be clear an obvious footage from behind the goal clearly shows it came off havertz midrif.
Nope.. th-cam.com/users/shortsvsxrKKhB16w?si=8QwjqYRBYZL_c5ly
U cant wind hand😊..bt if he was defending i think it wont be a penalty
Even Watkins thought it was a goal.
No @@sitaylor
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You cannot score with the hand, even during the build-up to the goal. That is clear. I resigned to that fact begrudgingly at the time.
But I have since not found any strong, compelling case that the ball had touched much less brushed Havertz' right hand (at that time I thought it had hit his left that he tucked in). VAR Paul Tierney certainly thought so.
That still photo making rounds is manipulated to capture or rather "simulate" the touch, but if you study the slow mo, the ball had already bounced off the right side of his abdomen. You cannot conclusively say it hit the outstretched arm (although inadvertently).
You cannot score a goal with a hand, it's irrelevant whether it's intentional or not. The rule is clear.
Wasn't clear or obvious? No clear evidence hit is arm. Watch it back and open your eyes.
His hand was in a body alignment maybe if you cut off his hand!
@jamesusanashville9678 irrelevant, you can't score off the hand, his hand could've been in his pocket and would have still been disallowed.
So hands should be chopped off while playing because we don't know which position should be when there is a contact with a ball because clearly there is always an inevitable situation the ball comes contact with hand
Maradona did score with hand
The ball hit the side of the body and then his hand... handball ..
Yeah but same was last year when it came off cashs hand then hit haverts
It Madeline after death
Webb is nothing but a gambler
It sure was a hand ball .. Arsenal SUCKS regardless.
Arsenal most unluckiest team and also having two tier effing against them.
Yeah , havert should have score with that hand .. just like Henry the handball clown at World Cup … bunch of cheater ,,, arsenal fall off so much ever since ref David cotee was caught
Sorry Arsenal robbed again why replay the game
Payback for Odegaard playing basketball against Salah last season. 😂😂😂🎉
What about payback for Konate's handball against Brentford?😂
😂😂😂 but still Liverpool can't beat arsenal in the league
Agent Havertz 😂
It is a goal
Them thief
The ball came off the inside of his right arm and went directly into the goal. The rules are clear, the goal is disallowed for handball. There is no ambiguity, there is no confusion, it's not a goal and was disallowed. It doesn't make any difference how entitled you are as supporters, it makes no difference regarding other decisions, it was no goal. End of story. However, an entirely different story is how Havertz can possibly claim that it came off his chest when the videos clearly show it coming off his arm. I suppose it all fits into his behaviour like diving for free kicks/penalties, clutching his face when there was no contact. Perhaps he feels that this shameful behaviour goes some way to mitigating against his poor performance in front of goal. Oh he scored yesterday, I hear the entitled ones saying. Yes, he did. He also misses loads on a consistent basis. Long may he continue in the side, along with the defender whose name won't be put into writing by me.
Look again. It's not true that it came off his right hand. How can it hit his right hand when he clearly twisted his body to avoid the ball hitting his arm? It came off his torso and that's never a handball
No it's not at all clear as day. A side view would be helpful
@@kenneth8510
You have to wear glasses, it was very very very obvious it was deflected by his hand.
Because you hate Harverts doesn't make decision right, that hand was in nature position as we have seen similar handballs waved ,maybe if u cut off his arm but his hand was at his chest.
How do you figure that it hit his arm? I am yet to see video of the ball definitely hitting the arm.
That is not handball..I think the ball was going into the goal even without touching Havertz hand
Delusional 🙄
Y😅🤣😁🤣 hand of God
wtf! are these referees blind,it hit his stomach,what handball..these dumbies sucks
If his stomach was on his arm.. then yes 😂
@trickyrickymtb5622 which clip are people watching! Check the whole clip,no these freeze frames..that ball didn't touch his arm
@felixmaina1251 you're seeing what you want to see m8. The video clips clearly show it coming off his lower arm. Keep coping 🤣
Not really, it kinda does from that angle but without a side angle not really sure
Did it 😂😂 th-cam.com/users/shortsvsxrKKhB16w?si=8QwjqYRBYZL_c5ly
This is not handball.
If that’s not handball
Well I’m mothers theresa 🤡
@@kap0928You're mothers theresa then😂
var is crap what is thee point 2say iit is wrong now its 2late