Jesus said that the generation he was speaking to would not pass until these things be fulfilled, He also said that some of the people he was talking to would still be alive when these things took place. I think He can be trusted.
No he was talking prophetically about the end of the world. And theevebts he was talking about were the plagues, hunger, wars, rumors of wars, and earthquakes. When they all occur at the same time, like now, that generation won't pass. Take the whole gapter, and Bible, to creates doctrines, not single verses that can be made to say whatever you, personally you, want them to.
The book of Revelation has perplexed so many because of false dispensationalism that makes it a future book. Once it's placed before 70AD it's pretty easy...
Also, please explain WHEN this happened? Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Seems to say Israel would one day have their eyes opened and acknowledge Jesus IS their messiah. That does not seem to have happened yet. Current statement of Judism is Mary was a harlot and Christ was a fraud. Seems this change of heart is yet future ??
@@tdmartin7 Hi... The timing of that scripture is post Mt 16:28 and Mt 24:34... Once one is honest with those verses, the context and Daniel's 490 yrs then you can work out an answer to your question. Answering your question at this time would be a mistake as you might not be seeing the bigger picture yet...
@@tdmartin7 that's not really the JeMs sorry I had to code that statement. They have been set up to make it appear as though we're in Rev 7. We're in Rev 20 s@tan$ l1ttle se@$0n. Check it out God bless 👍
What you said is so SPOT ON! That was true for myself also. It all makes way more sense. Watch Pastor Chuck Baldwins excellent sermon on the Desruction of Jerusalem. You may gleen more things there too.
@@jflsdknf when Jesus assended from aberhams bossom I know there was a mass resurrection. Although some believe there will be multiple dead rising occasions. The thousand years of peace I believe is what we call the dark ages but I also don't believe we're in 2024. Closer to 1240 ish in the year of the lord getting close to the 250 year mark after the 1000 year reign of christ. We're in what's called Satan's little season in Rev 20. during the time he's able to pull off a deception of the nations. I believe they added time to our timeline to hide the fact that shortly after Jesus death and acention that's when he returned within his disciples lifetime. They then built massive castles that the world's governments destroyed and conspired together to explain away such as all of our capital buildings. I have many refrences I can show you if You're intrigued. I have to warn you it will destroy what you have been taught as our history and you won't be able to unsee the millenial reign buildings that you mist likely have driven by many times in your city...
Yes, Christ returned in judgement in 70 AD, ended the Jewish age, and opened the doors of heaven. Just as He promised He would. It's VERY clear that every inspired NT author expected the imminent return of Christ. Preterism is the only eschatological view that makes everything makes sense
It would seem that way. Nero fits the antichrist figure perfectly. Nero's nickname was the beast and even non Christians said he was the worst human being of his time. The millennium is what seems unclear to me. Also who were or are the two witnesses. I personally tend to lean more towards the millennium already happened and we're in the stage of the enemy being allowed to deceive the nations for a little while and gathering the nations to make war against The Lamb. This could just be a coincidence but the great schizim happened roughly 1,000 years after (1054 A.D.) maybe that was the literal millennium. That still doesn't explain the enemy being loosed for a "little while". Since it's been another 1,000 years (roughly) since the church split. (Assuming that the church splitting was the millennium)
Have you seen the tartaria structures, and how we’ve been lied to about our timeline? I’m starting to think we are the generation in Revelation 20 where satan is let loosed one last time to deceive the world.
When i look at Archeology, Anthropology, and Archetecture of past civilizatons compaiing it to NT scripture, i am more of the Preterist view than not. Over and over again we are told in NT scirpture that the people woud see His return that generation would not pass away before His return.. its amazing how i missed this. I do not believe the earth is 7-10,000 years old anymore, so much is hidden. a very close look at the pause between Genisis 1:1 and Genisis 1:2 suggests a re-creation of YHWY's original creation! Scripture says: "Even the elect......." something to ponder. Thank you ML Wilson!
@@justsayin8893 Hey JS, haven't heard back from ML so thought I'd reach out and ask you if you have any ideas about the thousand year reign? Where did it go, and where does it fit?
Some people think He came, just as described by Paul, already, and reigned on earth for 1000 years, and then the devil is let out for a time (well, he is surely out today) so since so much of our history is hidden, & lied about, like tartaria, world fairs, giants living amongst people our size, etc, I don't think it's far fetched to take a second look. That said, I still think Jesus is coming back and soon... and I need Him to because this world, the pain in it, the demonic powers in it, it's just so out of wack. I want a peaceful kingdom, a righteous kingdom.
Yes, after waking up to the truth about the earth not being a globe in space 7 + yrs ago I now believe Rapture and the Great Tribulation already happened. Don't know how I ever missed "God set the earth on its Foundation so that it would not move", "The earth was established so that it cannot move", "The Pillars are the Lords and he has set the earth upon them". Then when we look at the physics of water how water always needs to be contained in nature how water cannot conform around the outside of shapes in reality. That debunks the globe/pear as gravity even if real cannot change the behavior of water. Then I also missed-"God brought the earth out of water and surrounded it with water", "The Firmament separates the water above from the water below". Meaning space is a water. When we look at science that also confirms scripture. Space cannot possibly be a vacuum due to the natural law of Thermodynamics. As we cannot have gas pressure next to a vacuum without containment. Examining Sprites, sun dogs and rainbows also give evidence to the firmament the encloses the earth. We were all deceived by the "father of lies"-Satan. Once we see the truth of Gods creation the blinders come off and we can then discover much more hidden truth in our reality and history.
@@ginafarrell6797 I think as soon as global earth was pushed, probably when about the time, satan was let out of his prison- yeah, 100% correct, we are on a flat earth, it's so obvious. I still have globes in my house, they probably need to be destroyed lol. oh- to, 1. make people believe the bible is wrong, or 2. for believers, make us think the entire bible is "allegory"
@@ginafarrell6797 3. global earth makes us believe we are just a speck of dust no God could ever care about, just a parasite on the earth, so insignificant compared to the vast expansion of space... it makes humans believe we are just unimportant, when we think we are a speck of dust in the universe- flat earth is 100% true, nasa knows it, it's crazy waking up to the vile cabal, and how everything they do, is in direct opposition to the bible.. so many people have woken up to seek Christ after seeing who they worship
Dude, alot of what you mentioned has good evidence to it, but not tartaria. I went down that rabbit hole and its total BS. I can show you proof those world fairs were temp buildings
Jesus promised to return within the lifetimes of the apostles and every new testament author expected an imminent return. What's more likely - that you are misinterpreting symbolic language about the return of Christ or that every early Christian was wrong about the timing and didn't know what the word "soon" meant?
I agree - and I do believe he returned to the Jewish disciples in their life time. For me this was Pentacost - and the subsequent outpouring of the holy spirit that followed with many other righteous jews were "born again" and subsequently raptured before and during the destruction of Jerusalem and other Jewish cities. But the real question is do you think that means Jesus job was finished ? That was the second coming and now there is nothing more. Most (I would think pretty much all) christians would say no. Even if you believe he did return to his followers in their life time we believe the words he spoke to the Christian churches in revelation - after the destruction of Jerusalem. After all his core disciples had already left the physical realm as martyrs except for John who writes revelation an estimated 20 years after the roman siege of Jerusalem while being held captive on the island of Patmos. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me. ew believe that Jesus stands ready to "come again" to anyone who earnestly repents and dedicates themselves to him and Gods will. That he will come to them and make his home with them and they will be filled with his holy spirit.
I also notice how he goes to versus that don't actually address what Christ said in plain language. Some of you standing here will not taste death until you see the son of God coming. These people use modern interpretation of what they read instead of what those words meant to those it was spoken to. Coming on the clouds, in the glory of the father, etc. etc. were idioms that had a meaning to 1st century Christians. They say elements is earth fire wind and water, when biblically the greek work stoicheion meant elemental doctrines 2 Peter 3:12. It is disingenuous and corrupt. He also has no idea what preterism is; I realized this as soon as he said hyper-preterism. It is just all things fulfilled at AD70.
Look around at the amazing structures, statues and artworks from the past. It's not something human beings did with hammer and chisel. Those amazing structures were made during the 1000 year reign and satan has deceived the nation's.
I am very new to this but think it may be right. Have been wondering if we didn't have our interpretation all wrong...now looking into all this. Very disappointed because I've longed for the rapture for decades. Not sure what's going to happen next now. World is rocked..
@@floridagirl5250 Revelation 20 is where I believe we are In my opinion Jesus told his apostles that he would be back during some of their lives. And that makes sense to me. Lots of people died before Jesus was on earth so it seems like our creator would give us all a second chance
yep. especially not horse and buggy people who lived in literal shacks 😂 it's wild. when you see super old photos of cities. they look abandoned but then there are people in the streets with their horses and it's all muddy and they look SO out of place
Matthew 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. John 21:22-24 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?” This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
The weight of evidence is strongly on the side of full preterism, but you have to dig in to see it. What most believe is irrelevant, just like it was when Luther came along and did his revolutionary thing. Scriptures refuting futurism are all over the place once you get to looking without futurist presuppositions. You can't just cite a handful of what appears to be opposing passages and take that as conclusive without honestly investigating the claims, pro-preterist and con-futurist of the preterist side.
You should trust that Jesus told the truth, He said "soon", "at hand", "coming quickly" etc. Everything was imminent! Nothing was distant future! If you believe in Jesus, you believe His words, not the words of 21st century businessmen.
I'm really starting to lean towards this. My mother has been on this for a while in the first time someone ever said that Jesus had already come some years ago I remember that and I thought they were out of their mind.
2 Peter 3:8-9 ‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
@@timok70 In Psalm 90, Moses describes a thousand years as a very short time for God: For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. Moses compares man to grass, which grows by day and is cut down by night. Even if a man lives to be 80, his life is short. He asks God to teach the Israelites to number their days so that their hearts will be focused on gaining wisdom. The Apostle Peter echoed this sentiment when he said: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
@@Robin_ASG do you really think Jesus came back around 40 years later? And than His kingdom started? There is so much that need to be fullfilled before He will return,and His kingdom will make an huge impact and difference than we see now We all will see him come back on the clouds and not only a small part of the people will believe He is back. I cant wait that Israel will accept Jesus as their messiah as Paul writes in Romans 11:25-36 And that Israel will mourn about the one they pierced read Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7 So many christians dont agree with you. Believe me if Christ will return no follower of Him will be unsure that our Lord is back. Revelaion 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen
He that says that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and he that says that Jesus Christ has not come in the flesh is not of God. Now let me say it in English. He that says that Jesus has already come back, and he is in them is filled with the Holy Ghost. He said I will never leave you or forsake you, where do you think he is? And he that says that Jesus has not come in the flesh yet, but waiting for him to come back is the church of the devil, antichrist, the spirit of error. The whole world is in error, They're nothing but religion, no spirituality. I asked him when are you coming back? And he answered, I am in you. Jesus how long have you been back, since the day of Pentecost. Jesus is not Catholic, nor is he Pentecostal or anything in between, that is man making up stuff. Mark my words, Jesus Christ is back, how else could we be the body of Christ if he wasn't back? Here are two things that you don't know, there's no water in baptism and Christ returned already. And the rapture is catching up to the mind of God in breathable air. I was taken but my brothers and sisters were left behind. Taken for what reason, to be meat for the master's use. Now I've told you the truth and you cannot receive it. So, what did we learn here? There's no water in baptism, nor are there hands, Jesus Christ has already returned, and he is in us, and if we're born from above and Christ is formed in us, we're already raptured. Denomination religions are not of God. It's man's ideology. Sorry you're all wrong. He that has the Son, has life. He that has not the Son, has not life. His real name was Yeshua Christos, and he is in me, and I am in him. This is that day that nobody wanted to hear the truth. The children of God cannot sin because the seed has remained.
I don't believe that Christ would leave us all behind, without bringing his salvation ..and he also promised to make everything new. There are so many sighns of him coming ..and so many wonderful souls waiting for this to happen. In Revelation it is written, about a new heaven and a new earth, where peace, freedom will be ..and above all ..love 💖 Amen 🎆🕊️🌾
1 Thess 4:15 “For this we say unto [you] by the word of the Lord, that [we] that are alive, that are left unto the coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede [them] that are fallen asleep.” Who's the “them?” Those who had died! Then the other pronouns refer to those who are alive then! Whom are the “you” and “we” that Paul is addressing? Pronouns matter in the text! It was his original readers. THEY were the ones who would experience the things Paul was writing about. THEY were the ones who “some” would be alive at the coming of the Lord. Some of THEM. Not 2000 years later! So this man would tell that young lady that the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write to the Thessalonians, telling THEM that some of THEM would be alive to see the events he was describing, in order to settle their concerns over those who had already died; and it was all a lie??????????? Do you actually believe the Holy Spirit would do that???? That Paul could get that so vigorously wrong?????? Balderdash! And that trumpet: MT 24:31 “And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a [trumpet], and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” There's your trumpet described right there after the “tribulation of those days” MT 24:29, that was when THAT temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD. There is no confusion or ambiguity here. 1 Cor 15:51,52, 58 “Behold, I tell [you] a mystery: [We] all shall not sleep, but [we] shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and [we] shall be changed.” Whom do the pronouns correspond to? The original readers of Paul's letter!! :58 “Wherefore, my beloved brethren, be [ye] stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as [ye] know that [your] labor is not vain in the Lord.” Why would Paul say this to people liven THEN, if it referred to person living 2000 years in the future? It's meaningless to them that way. 2 Thess 1:6 “since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with (tribulation) (MT 24:29) those who trouble [you], (THEM) 7 and to give [you] who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.” THEY were to witness the vengeance on that generation, and the subsequent resurrection. This man knows nothing about the over 100 time statements in the New Testament alone. Meaning? His timing is off.
I believe the only way to explain our hidden history and the hidden existence of Tartaria and hidden ancient technology mud floods ect. is now we are living in the age of deception or what revelation 20 refers to as satans little season. We are living in the time after the 1000 year reign and just before the final judgment. I suggest you research more on the 1000 years labeled the "dark ages" and how our history has been manipulated and stolen and hidden. There is so much evidence that points to Christ already returning.
Well said, Pastor John! We can take consolation from Acts 1:9-11 when Christ ascended after having completed His earthly ministry, very soon thereafter, a part of the deity / Godhead in Acts 2:1-3
Jesus said he was speaking to "everyone", that _every eye_ would see him - even those who pierced him. He also spoke to Caiaphas and all those who were with him saying that they would see him coming in the clouds, and yet Caiaphas died in 36 AD. This idea that Jesus promised to return within a generation is false. It is based on an incorrect interpretation of Matthew 24:34.
If u already returned there would be no questions about it. The 1000year reign would’ve already happened. New perfect earth would’ve already been created and we would all not exist. Such foolish claims leads me to assume ur just a anti God atheist filled with bad energy trying to mislead others who come across this video
@@paulbrennan4163 there's no way around the numerous time statements in the gospels and epistles. Perhaps Caiaphas and his contemporaries did see Christ coming in judgement ("in the clouds") as they were raised to face their final judgement at the end of the Old Covenant Age in 70 AD.
@@justanother240 No way around the time statements? Please show me a list of these time statements that _unequivocally_ refer to Jesus coming in the clouds, or returning in the way he was seen returning to the earth that indicate that it would happen in 70 AD. I have no problem with the fact that JUDGEMENT was impending in the region, that Jerusalem would fall, and that the temple would be destroyed. Concerning Jesus return however, what we see in the NT is exactly what we would expect given the following facts: 1. that the Apostles did NOT know the time of Jesus return. 2. that is was NOT for them to know the times and seasons the Father had determined. 3. that despite this they were responsible for making sure that the flock under their care would not fall asleep. Failure to understand these biblical fact is why the time statements are being missinterpreted. It is also apparant to me that _both_ preterists and futurists missunderstand Matthew 24:34 and therefore try to squeeze all the end time events into a way too small period of time. Jesus did NOT say that all these events would occur "within a generation" as is so often claimed. I can show you what Jesus was really talking about if you want. Apart from a few verses in Revelation (which can, and have been explained from a futurist perspective), the only time statements that I am aware of in the NT that UNQUESTIONABLY refer to Jesus return are the following, and they ALL indicate that it will be a long time coming: "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away *A LONG TIME,...’"* (Matthew 24:45) "The bridegroom was *A LONG TIME* in coming, and *they ALL became drowsy and fell asleep."* (Matthew 25:5) "After A LONG TIME the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them." (Matthew 25:19) That's three parables in a row that ALL indicate that Jesus would return after a long time! And finally we have the following prophecy written by Peter only a few years before Jerusalem fell, not saying that people were losing patience in HIS day, but some time in the future: "Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." (2 Peter 3:3-4) And "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:8-9) Now I don't think for a moment Peter believed that Jesus would return thousands of years later. But that, acccording to Peter himself, is how prophecy works! The author is carried along by the Holy Spirit often unaware of the deatails of his prophecy because they serve later generations. These passages also indicate that Jesus return was conditional!
@@justanother240it happened dude. Go look at your nearest old world architecture, see it is buried in mud (loosening of the pit after the millennial) then think about all the oddities since the 1700’s. False claims of building America when structures are “founded”, insane asylums for those that would not go along with the narrative, orphan trains and once again… every structure that is old is now buried at least two stories deep from an unrecorded event in history. “Basement” windows are sometimes completely covered and the irony is the first photos from your town will show when they “built” that city it is on the exact same street level as today. The pit was loosed, we are in the little season, therefore the ongoing narrative of deception. So please wake up
Cannot be “legitimately interpreted”. Since then, the interpretations of Douglas Wilson and RC Sproul hold to this exact view, are they heretical? I find it hard to believe that they would call the premil view illegitimate interpretation, though they would disagree with it. You have given the amil and postmil positions a lot of grace in the past, but this seems harsh.
Every argument you’re making must be understood in the context of things that would shortly take place, 2000 years does not equal a short period of time read Daniel.
Apparently you have not read Josephus' War of The Jews. All those things were recoded by the historian that was witnessed by HUNGREDS of people in 70AD. You are not speaking from a position of knowledge. And that's a shame.
Why would you perpetuate the lie that just because the second coming already occurred that we have “no hope”? We have new earth coming once this little season of deception is over. There is tremendous hope in awaiting the new earth. You then are teaching the disciples, Christ and his audience were all delusional in thinking his return was soon to come. You probably think the earth is a globe then too? The Bible is either inerrant and trust worthy or it is not. You can’t have it both ways and say the Bible is just prophetic and full of allegory.
Preterism seems to make sense of quite a few verses that are strange if Jesus did not return in the generation that spoke with Jesus during his pre-crucifixion years. Was Jesus wrong? Confused? It does not add up. In Thessalonians, an honest read suggests very strongly those who are alive in Christ - his readers - will be joined with those already dead. Or, the return of Christ was close. Not more than 2,000 years away. Not much comfort in that! Read it for yourself. 1 Thessalonians 4. The whole chapter (or book really) is best. They quite clearly thought as do the readers of most the new testament letters that Jesus was about to return. Preterism seems to work better in my opinion.
2000 years away being a long time and not close is YOUR OPINION. There is no linear time with God. 2000 years is not time for God. When he said I am coming quickly, to Gods perspective, it was quickly. Youre super imposing your man-made opinions on whats a long time on Gods time table. Vile.
God wrote his word for man and man is in a timeframe. God wrote to Daniel to seal up the book as the prophecy fulfilment was a long way off, so seal it. Under 400 years. When God spoke through John in Revelation, He said to NOT seal up the book as it was a short time away. What would be the point of sealing or not if God cannot tell time? You may think God cannot tell time to men, but that is not what I see.@@NWLegacyChannel
Thank you for addressing this topic Pastor! I've been grieved by this teaching....I have circles of friends who believe that Christ has already returned and it's shocking just how thoroughly it effects all aspects of their lives! Usually I see this belief branch into other beliefs like dominion theology or theonomic reconstructionalism. It really distracts believers from the Gospel because they are stuck thinking they are supposed to mainly be "taking dominion of the land" in order to "begin reigning with Christ". It's hard because it's often hard to reason with them too...I love them so dearly and I believe them to be true believers, but just very distracted believers... I would love prayers for me to be a light to them to help them focus on the spreading of the Gospel rather than all the rabbit trails of false doctrine! 🙏❤️
Research Tartaria. You,ll see we’ve been lied to about everything, and that it’s possible they’re hiding the remains of Christ’s 1000 year reign that’s already happened. There has to be a generation living in Revelation 20..where satan is let lose one last time to deceive the world. Why couldn’t it be us? God bless
@@BoxerBruce Thanks for your comment! First I want to say that your dog videos are super cute! My son loved them! Secondly, I want to let you know that I did research Tartaria and did refresh on Revelation 20. I have to say I have never heard of that theory before and I see how you could come to that conclusion. However, and please don't take this wrongly (I only want to have a mutually beneficial and encouraging conversation ☺️), but I believe that Rev. 20:7-10 is talking about a short amount of time after the 1,000 year reign, the final battle. That after a perfect rule under Christ and the Church, the people's hearts, those who had the mark of the beast, would still rebel. That as soon as Satan is released they are immediately deceived and follow him in one last hopeful attempt to fight against Christ and His power. I believe that this would make sense since the antichrist would have already come, which as we see now, he has not yet come. So you know my standing, I'm a historic premillennial when it comes to eschatology. (Not to get confused with modern premillennialism, aka left behind series) Also, I would like to ask you if your theory turns out to be the correct one, what are we to expect? Would that place us in a time where we are all lost followers of Satan blindly following him? I'd like to know your thoughts. ☺️ And may God bless you too!
@@mcgragor1 I'm not sure which friends you're referring to being "spot on". But yes, I've studied it a lot. Especially along side of family and other brothers and sisters in the church who had similar concerns at the time. We all felt that dominion theology almost always got distracted from the gospel and focused too much on the law, which we all know Christ came to fulfill. Our study of the topic hasn't ended either, we continue to talk to our dear brothers and sisters in Christ who are caught up in dominion theology, and we constantly work to ensure that we are seeking the scriptures and have them be our highest authority on every matter. I will be quick to admit I'm not the strongest in memorizing scripture or having my points on the tip of my tongue. But I have read the many different passages that both sides argue and feel very confident that dominion theology is a distracted theology that centers around the law not Christ. And if we are looking at whether or not Christ has returned for his second coming, scripture is clear that every eye will see and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord on that day. And that has not happened. We are also still waiting for the many signs Christ said would come before. Like the abomination that makes desolation that will seat himself on the temple throne. It can't have happened if the temple hasn't even been rebuilt! And no man has come, declaring himself to be God, and have signs and wonders that deceive all but the elect. And the millennial reign with Christ is a reign WITH Christ. Not the just holy spirit, with Christ. Christ is not here. We are still waiting. Christ will return. And what a joyous day that will be! Have a blessed day! And if you have points you'd like to share I'm happy to keep talking! 😊
He very clearly connects the resurrection with the second coming. He says it is a precious and blessed hope of resurrection. Why in the world would they be writing to other churches and believers about waiting for what Christ would do just for us 2000 years later? It was all about the monumental change that was happening, from Christ, until the end of that age. He changed EVERYTHING. About Phil 3:20, he says none of us have that glorified body now, but 1 Cor 15:46+ says we have to get rid of the physical body before we can put on our immortal, glorified body. Some were “sleeping” at that time, in Sheol. From the point of that last trumpet, when people died, they wouldn’t go to “sleep” in Sheol. We would be instantly brought up into the air, to go meet Christ. 1 Cor. 15:54-55 says that’s when we can understand that death has lost its victory and sting. Jesus defeated death so that there would no longer be a time of waiting in Sheol. Our body dies, but our soul/spirit does not die. We try to read the Bible with a modern day, western mindset and don’t even try to understand how remarkably different the ancient world thought and was expressed. To come in flaming fire just meant that He would come in judgment. I’m understanding more and more how important it is to become like a child. I don’t know what the form of literature it is, but it’s kind of like letting go of taking everything literally and imagining in a very fantasy-like, grand expression of what is really being related.
You are speaking of before he actually came back. Yes the apostles and followers that were still alive. Not those that have yet to be born. Count how many times you read "you". He was talking to real people during that day. Why would he be warning people of that day about a lawless man they would never know? Those of us still alive....so are there people still alive 2000+ years later?
I think a big issue with this topic in Christianity is that it doesn't actually teach about the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70AD at all. Like it just basically ignores it. Whether or not you believe this was the "true second coming" of christ (I think it was for the jews - but not his final coming) Its really weird how its not included in the teaching at all - because its very clear its one of the primary reasons Jesus came when he did. In Matthew 24 he says the destruction of the temple would be a "key sign". 70AD was essentially the "Day of the Lord" for the jews of that time. Just like the Babylonian Exile in 500-600 BC and just like the Egyptian slavery and Exodus in 2000 BC - Jesus came ahead of the "Day of the Lord" it to provide "grace" so it could "passover" them. Christianity weirdly "skips" the judgement part and the destruction of Jerusalem. We get little pieces like Jesus weeping for the city of Jerusalem as he rides in on a donkey foretelling its destruction because they did not head his teaching. But then the bible "skips" it actually happening and leaves it out of not just scripture but the wider theoligical teaching on Christ and what happened following his death. Thats the part I find most difficult to understand. Most christians I speak with genuinely don't even know what happened in 70AD because its never discussed or taught on.
It’s for the gentiles as well.. Hence HEAVENLY FATHER sending Jesus to make that possible.. And you do have a valid point, but ultimately it’s having faith in knowing THE WORD OF GOD that’s important and not anyone else interpretation , hence making sure we knew we shouldn’t rely on our own understandings as we are not even close to understanding how or why GOD does what he does as we are just mere humans who have all been subconsciously reconditioned just by existing on this earth. Which is why we just simply ask HIM if we don’t understand something, and he will inevitably lead us to the answer , always. If you’ve ever noticed that when you pick up the Bible and randomly open it , as you start re reading the same things over again it either begins to take on a whole new meaning than what had originally resonated prior or becomes much more understandable , either at that moment or shortly after it will definitely resonate more . (Some things more obvious than others we as humans tend to forget that sometimes it’s not as difficult as we perceive things to be, to only eventually find it was much more simple than we had realized.) and will inevitably see even the smallest details playing out in the world or our personal lives.. That’s why we should always keep rereading the Bible through our time on earth as that’s how we be capable of understand it, to be able to get the most out of it, in due time. Which we know truly pleases GOD . Hope that is of some help to you 🙏
@@t.rok13 Yes I agree with your first comments. After his death and resurrection Jesus opened the covenant to gentiles as well (thankfully as I am one :) ) Up until that point he had been exclusively ministering to 'The lost sheep of Israel'. He was doing this because of the coming judgement that was coming for Israel. Basically trying to get them to repent to avoid or have "passover" them what happens in 70AD. As he rides into Jerusalem he crys for the city and says the time for repentance is now over and their fate is sealed and whats required of them "will be hidden from their eyes". Luke 19:41 Then after his resurrection he then opened the teaching and the new covenant to also go to the gentiles with the disciples and Paul being instructed to take the Gospel to the whole world. But still the fact the siege of Jerusalem is completely ommited from Christian teaching and theology is just bizarre. It would be like if the book of Exodus excluded the plagues of Egypt or if they just skipped over what happened in the Babylonian exile in the old testament. (The previous days of the Lord). Its one of the most important events related to Jesus ministry. It makes absolutely no sense and "confuses" the story and teaching by omitting an event Jesus said was vitally important and prophesized and spoke about on multiple occasions with his disciples. To me it kind of seems like as the Church seperate from Judaism it "over gentiled" the teaching. Removing the key Jewish specific parts of Jesus ministry. It also gives a skewed view of the reality of what happened to the Jewish people who didn't head his teaching / warning.
If Christ has not come, then nobody is in Heaven as judgment day is in the future. If John believes people go to Heaven with a glorified body, then he must approve full preterism. Also Thessalonians we’re promised relief from persecution when Christ comes. They were persecuted by the Jews. In 70AD, when Jerusalem was destroyed by fire, their persecution would have ended as there would be no more authority left. This. Verse proves full preterism.
Oh, but we know it's "soon." It's like "free beer tomorrow," which really means tomorrow from tomorrow, from tomorrow, from tomorrow... It forever creates a sense of urgency while at the same time forever leaving an escape hatch.
@@chadcampbell7576 "...coming up on September 7th. Better watch carefully." Is this really the first time you committed to such a date? Were you watching carefully any dates in the past? :)
@@Christmas-dg5xc Yes, I watch carefully on all the appointed Holy Days. I am not committing to anything. I am just telling you when "Trumpets" is this year. It happens once year in the fall:)
Has it occurred to anyone that if he takes all the Christians the people left over are not going to be falling all over themselves to leave a written record of the proof of his coming that they adamantly would deny. Not to mention hate. You are arguing from a position which assumes that history would tell you about events you question. You have all of what Josephus wrote but because nobody recorded (or kept a record over 2000 years for you to read,) the exact event of a trumpet; that in turn must mean we should throw out all of the language clearly telling us it was imminent and ALL of the other events which were in fact recorded. Which is to say 9/10 of it. Let's ignore Christ, let's ignore Paul who told us the word was preached to every creature across the whole world. Let's ignore John the revelator who nobody even disputes believed and spelled it out clearly for those knowing his language at the time, Peter, and Christ's brother who both clearly identified the Antichrist as Nero outright without even using Gematria. Let's ignore all the prophetic events of the siege of Jerusalem and the exactly 7 years of terror that unfolded there haha. Let's ignore the 2000 years of time that has lapsed ignoring the 100 places in the new testament it tells us SOON. Let's all ignore the little season of Revelation 20:7, 8 and the clear warning telling us that Satan will rise again and manage to deceive the ENTIRE world. I can go on, but why not just ignore it all. We don't see a written record of Christ himself blowing a trumpet therefore it's all wrong. I wonder if when he does return you will hold his return to the same level of scrutiny. If every drop of it will need to be documented and said documents last 2000 years or more or else it must be false. This seems a lot like what the Jews of Christ time tried to do. Tried to nitpick him to death despite the obvious truth. Doesn't it bother you that shortly after the events the preterists say were prophetic events the Romans hijacked our church and made it into a building when Christ quite clearly asked us to keep it a people and ordered us directly to place no man in authority among us? Have you EVER been to a church building WITHOUT a singular man in authority over others? I think it unlikely for most of us. How sure are you that the history you know is exactly right when every drop of it is recorded in a building owned and 100% controlled by the same Roman church to this very day. This doesn't bother you at all? There is one place in the bible that should concern preterist and one alone. 2 Timothy 2:18 None other, and that itself proves nothing since it has to be wrong eventually. Only a matter of time. When Christ returns will you henceforth call all preachers of his return heretics? I imagine you imagine that of course you would not.
How could anyone possibly think Christ has already returned??? 🤔 Read the Bible, it's right there in black and white, pretty easy to figure out what will happen when that time comes and it definitely has not happened.
I recently have come to make residence in the partial preterism camp after learning about Hermaneutics and Exegesis. I was originally taught everything was future related (Olivet discourse etc) but upon analysis I didn't flow with the consistency of scripture. 70AD was unheard of too. (The denomination attend but not follow teachings wise is Pentacostal for failure of finding a more dare I say biblical church in the area currently) I'm thankful for your perspective as it's a lonely road to travel but beneficial in my journey as a follower of Christ.
He doesn't present his view as partial preterism though. He describes it and expose the Bible. John MacArthur is not a Pentecostal and I think he explains eschatology pretty simple and open so as anyone can understand it (as the Bible puts it also very plain and simple)
@Brad Conklin that's not even on the subject that is discussed here... Maybe what you're referring to is the "whosoever" part, so, let me tell you this: it's not "whosoever" but *"whosoever believeth"* !! That's very different! The question is: how do you believe?
@Brad Conklin So your Hermaneutic is rooted in nationalism and racism... Thank you for reminding me why Eisegesis is dangerous and I pray that you begin to bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Also you might want to look at the book of Acts...
We know that the Savior initially came as the Suffering Servant, and that He will come again as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Why is it so hard to believe that He came & exacted judgment on His own generation, just as He promised, and that He will yet come again at the end of the world, & we will all participate in the Marriage Supper of The Lamb? 70 A.D. sure does not sound like a party. And BTW, the millennial reign was the so called dark ages. It started around 450AD, with the destruction of Rome, the extent of the world as people knew it, & ended around 1450AD, with the advent of the so-called enlightenment. You have to wonder how all of that magnificent architecture & technology existed and yet there are virtually no written records. It really makes me wonder what is in the vatican archives, and I'm a cradle catholic.
@@mlwilson2956 Are you trying to say that the apostle Paul did not understand what he was writing to the Thessalonians, and to the Corinthians. Also is the Lord Jesus telling lies in John ch. 14 v 1-3 when He said that if He went away (to the Father's house) that He would come again and receive us unto Himself that where He is there we might be also. The Rapture is for the satisfaction of the Love of the Lord Jesus for His church/bride. He takes us to Heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb. When He comes back to earth as the Son of Man, He comes WITH the saints. They cannot come with Him unless they are already in Heaven before the tribulation. When He comes back to earth it will be in judgement, not in Love for His own. Now tell me, where is the misunderstanding of 'one verse'.?
Poor o'l John has to dance around the truth in order to save the man-made traditions. You want a word of advice? Repent from the nonsense & choose the red pill. All of Bible prophecy has been fulfilled.
I was opened to this belief by someone recently, and I too was SO caught of guard. The Holy Spirit, abiding in me, gave me a conviction that something was off. I searched the scriptures, and thought over them, and the more I searched & thought, the more I realized how startlingly unbiblical preterism is. Search the scriptures regarding the return of Christ, and consider the times that the return of Christ is written to gentile churches FAR from Jerusalem. If His second coming was only in Jerusalem, it would not make sense for God to be telling churches far from Jerusalem all about the second coming & judgment of Jesus.
It wasn't His second coming, it was one of the comings. Many times God in the Old Testament would come on clouds with judgment to judge nations. Jesus Himself came and judged Jerusalem, Stephen was accused because of this: "For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs Moses handed down to us." (Acts 6:14)
@@emanuilgoshev350 Looking for truth, His truth is truly a goal worth attaining. What is pleasing to the Lord will be seen when He returns. We are to seek the kingdom first. What does the kingdom look like? Scriptures like Ezekiel 44 & Malachi 3 tell us what He considers are the righteous ways of God.
yes it would because the word was preached to the world. read it the letters from john.even jesus preached to those in hell. everyone heard the word.besides the new covenant could only begin when the old one had passed away.
There is more to it than that, the time statements and all of the other statements that they were expecting something in their lifetime is clear, the only thing that fits is AD 70, read Josephus, there were lots of signs even armies seen in the clouds.
2v17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 2v18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
I’m from the church of Christ I figured out it was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem that is Christ second coming all by myself and by the way I can’t find anybody that will debate me on the subject, including all the elders in the church.
Research Tartaria, and how they could be hiding the remains of Christ’s 1000 year reign that could’ve already happened. There has to be a generation living after the 1000 year reign and when satan is loosed a short season...why couldn’t that be us? Interesting. I’m starting to think this is the case. We’ve been taught lies since birth.
LOOK AROUND, all the clues are there, world's been melted, electrified and burn't. Jesus came back a long long time ago. There's no way our Father would leave his children suffering for 2000 years after Christs sacrifice upon the cross - NO WAY!!!
I believe we are living in Satans little season. Jesus Christ has reigned since he ascended to the right hand of The Father. We are the last generation and Christs second coming…He is coming! Satan is now building his army. We know how that ends. God Bless you all. Continue to trust. Continue to pray and Walk in His Word. Plead the Blood of Jesus Christ over yourselves and your families. We are living in the great deception. God is True! He is Love! He is The Way! Amen. Praise His Holy Name Jesus Christ is King. Amen.
It seems like there are "comings" of Christ. His incarnation, His judgement on Jerusalem (70AD) and third his coming after the millennium followed by the enemy deceiving the nations.
No Jesus has not return yet but He is coming again. Revelation 22:7 Behold I come quickly. Blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this Book...come Jesus quickly come to establish a new heaven and new earth where there is no death, no sickness and no suffering.
Jesus has returned- "Those who have pierced me will see me coming in the clouds", "Some of you standing here will not taste death". etc Check out the Tartaria the huge spectacular castles built on the tippy top of mountains. There is no way we built them before the horse and buggy time. I believe we are living in "Satans little season" before Gog and Magog. We still go to be with Jesus that is all that counts!
But when a writer speaks about "we who are alive" rather than "those who are alive " would suggest that they are speaking of presently existing persons and not 3000 yrs later. Why would Christ and John speak of a future event of 3000 years to come and not say so. They were both speaking to people of that time as would be suggested in the wording.
Paul tells us to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord, so thess. Says the dead in Christ will rise and we who are alive and remaining will be caught up with them….something isn’t right,if the dead are already in heaven how will they be caught up?
Yeah, you're describing the end of the world, when we all face the beama seat of Christ and the great white throne judgment. Totally different than Christ's initial second coming, not the end of the world.
Both Malachi and Ezekiel were heroes of the faith. Chapter 3 of Malachi and 44 of Ezekiel paint a picture of what it will be like when our Messiah returns.
These people who say that Christ has already returned, should quit having the Lord’s supper, for it is said that in this we , show the Lord’s debt till he comes.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Paul is trying to comfort believers who have lost loved ones in death. And the way he encourages them is not by pointing to the fact that there’s going to be a sack of Jerusalem someday. His way of encouraging them is by showing that those who have died will not miss out on the coming of Christ because they’re going to be raised from the dead, so that, together with the living, they will meet the Lord in the air. He says, But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.
You have to go back to the book of Daniel to show her that When Christ returns the second time, all pain and suffering is gone from the earth. Has that occurred? No.
@BB93 BB93 when christ returns, then the pain and suffering is gone from the world. Google my statement to look up the verses. If you don't know what I am saying us in the bible. Look up the important things I say for yourself . I generally paraphrase so look up what I say yourself
Well this video completely dropped the ball on answering the question. Darn. Jesus told his people he was coming soon- he didn’t sound like it would be thousands of years. The real question is are we now living in the time when Satan is released for a little while before the new heaven and earth are made. (Clear diction is nice, it it doesn’t strengthen the argument.)
How could Jesus possibly say that he would return thousands of years later if he didn't know when he would return? And if God's will is that we live our lives as if Jesus could return at any moment then surely saying it would take thousands of years would be self-defeating, would it not? Jesus gave us three parables in a row that indicate that he would not return "soon", but after "a long time". Such a long time in fact that _everyone_ would turn drowsy and fall asleep. Doesn't that count?
Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 that some will be alive and remain when Jesus comes back. Jesus said it himself. Some He talked to would be alive and see His second coming woth his Kingdom.
Paul was talking to them and preparing them. They didn’t miss out. They would have reunion in the heavenly Jerusalem. Check out the Historian Josephus.
I had a rapture dream, on 16/3/2020 where I was running towards my decease brother we both bumped into each other and feel flat on our faces and a bird flew pass my head and with its claws grabbed onto my soul from the top of my skull and lifted up my soul swirling into the clouds.
The only way for a futurist to continue to get your money is if nothing has happened yet:) You all can look around in the world and see that something is amiss. Then you go to church on sunday and your pastor says nothings happening. Don't worry, and don't forget to tithe.
22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [From 1 Corinthians 15] All will be made alive. Christ was first. Those who belong to Christ will be raised unto eternal life at His coming. Later (when Death is destroyed), the rest will be raised and judged. Then, there's the lake of fire/second death.
The book of 2nd Esdras is the key to unlocking "when" we are on the prophetic timeline. It confirms Partial Preterism. The wings in chapter 11 are president of the USA. We are living in the final few years of the Short Season. Analysis, proofs, dates, and timelines at my YT channel.
Because fighting evil / devil is not easy and God promise to all his children he would not drown his all his kids " the rainbow" ...the whole world need to chose thats why he gave us our own minds to decide..he wants to see if his kids will obey him
God created good and evil, light and darkness. Jesus defeated sin, but there's still evil. Those who didn't make it to heavenly Jerusalem (were left on earth) were dogs, liars, sorcerers, etc, Joel 2:2 armies after day of the Lord
It’s unfortunate that you focus on an unseen moment. I think the main preterist argument is that the enemy has been let loose and we’re living in an age of deception. To be clear I’m not a preterist. I have been looking for good arguments on the topic though.
I think John has conflated events on the timeline, and so assumes the church in question thinks those events happen rdtogether too, and so he's not responding to what that church actually believes. John is responding to why his understanding of the events can't have happened yet. Heresay questions make bad discussions.
I find it funny when people who claim to know the word of god, say we haven’t got glorified bodies so he couldn’t have come back Point 1. Why do people read the Bible and see the word YOU, and automatically take it to mean them ? Galatians, Philippians, Thessalonians etc these books say you…but the clue is in the book title - he’s talking to THEM, THEN Exactly as Yeshua said THAT GENERATION Exactly as Tevelation says to the churches - SOON There must be 6-8 times in the New Testament it says THIS GENERATION Yeshua returned in 70AD The martyrs were raised - those that were killed during the TRIBULATION under Nero, whose persecution of Christians ended after 42 months when he committed suicide Then followed the wrath - the seals were opened - Josephus wrote about the chariots and armies IN THE CLOUDS He wrote about it because EVERYBODY SAW IT Yeshua raised the martyrs and those that survived, FLED TO THE HILLS as Yeshua told them, were given glorified bodies and reigned with Yeshua for 1000 yrs as he said Satan was bound and now he has been released - Rev 20:7 His goal is to deceive the world - changing times and laws Hiding history The magnificent awesome cathedrals were built during this period and guess who acquired them after the reign…? Yep, the FREEMASONS - now you know how they got their name We don’t have glorified bodies, we await gog & Magog battle, then the final judgement and earths destruction and a new creation where those saved will live forever The Bible is clear - YOU just think it’s about YOU, it’s not, it’s for us
If Christ hasnt already returned, then how does a person get "christ in you is the hope of glory". What exactly are people looking for? Christ is not a person. Christ becomes flesh when the word is formed in you.
The problem with that conclusion is that Christ was already "in us" before 70 AD. What people are looking for is what scripture told us we would see - Jesus returning in the way he left - i.e. visibly.
@@paulbrennan4163 How can we if he was only in human flesh temporarily? The christ has already returned and just like it wasn't recognized in the 1st century, it has been missed by most this time as well. Hes right under everyone's nose and they dont even know it because they are looking for a fantasy created by false teachers. The same exact thing that happened in the 1st century.
@@RoseSharon7777 How we could see him visibly? How could Jesus' disciples have seen him after he was resurrected? He had a resurrection body that could obviously be both visible or invisible, a body in which he _could_ have kept us from recognizing him, but what did he say? He _explicitly_ told us was that his return would be visible. That fact alone shows who the false teachers are: those whose teaching contradicts scripture. Notice also that it isn't merely born again christians in whom Jesus lived that would see him, but rather everyone - _both good and evil_ - including "those who pierced him." And so who was most responsible for Jesus's death? It was Caiaphas, the pharasees and the scribes, before whom he said: "you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." So did Caiaphas witness the destruction of Jerusalem? No he didn't! He died in 36 AD! Obviously, Jesus second coming will coincide with the resurrection of both the living and the dead. And does the vision that Josephus reported where people saw a battle in the heavens correspond to what Jesus said about his coming in the clouds? No it doesn't! Not only did Jesus say that everyone would see _him,_ rather than just a war, this vision was seen _before_ the destruction of Jerusalem whereas in Jesus accounts it comes _after_ the city and the temple are destroyed. It just doesn't add up! The only thing that makes sense - and that also can be solidly supported with scripture - is that 70 AD was merely a partial fulfillment of prophecy. It was a precursor of something much greater that is to occur at the end of time largely involving the gentiles. Remember, according to the Apostle Paul the wrath of God was coming "first for the Jew, THEN FOR THE GENTILE". That is still coming whether we like it or not.
I think John has conflated events on the timeline, and so assumes the church in question thinks those events happen together too, and so he's not responding to what that church actually believes. John is responding to why his understanding of the events can't have happened yet. Heresay questions make bad discussions.
Why would a church teach this? Then what do they think is going to happen? Just a slow decline into chaos and death with no hope? Why teach a kid that? Do they think the Earth is Hell or something? That kind of teaching just leads to hopelessness and suicide.
@@VoDitas I don't think all of us are going to be left on a dying hell planet. I still have hope that some are taken away from this. I know one day God will destroy but remake Earth. I don't think we should have such a nihilistic view of things. There are things we can do to improve the lives we do have now. Some care more about recycling or animal rescue than they do other people. I am not talking about all the goodie two shoes things people do to reduce their carbon foot print and all that. Yeah, plant a garden, keep bees, plant flowers. That is great. I love the beauty of it all. No sense living in a junk yard if you can beautify the place. There is no reason an animal should suffer if you can help. But then there are people that need help. It is important to help one another, but here are things we can not do alone and I still believe in God and that he is very interested in and involved in this Earth still. It is just that so many are getting in the way of what he wants to do. He can do anything by himself but it is a blessing to be working with him and for him to get good things done. I don't think we should teach to just give up because evil doesn't rest and evil doesn't give up.
Jesus said that the generation he was speaking to would not pass until these things be fulfilled, He also said that some of the people he was talking to would still be alive when these things took place.
I think He can be trusted.
Amen.
No he was talking prophetically about the end of the world. And theevebts he was talking about were the plagues, hunger, wars, rumors of wars, and earthquakes. When they all occur at the same time, like now, that generation won't pass. Take the whole gapter, and Bible, to creates doctrines, not single verses that can be made to say whatever you, personally you, want them to.
@@trentevenson8988 sorry, wrong.
@@andthensome512 sorry but you said nothing useful. If you think I'm wrong, dispute it, saying wrong just shows you are narcissistic
Amen.
Yes. He has returned. Sits on His Throne as King of Kings and Lord of Lords!
Bloomin ek.
@@dogboymalone11Huh?
Yup 👍 its so simple😊
The Millennial Kingdom must be headed by Jerusalem.
@@davidlafleche1142 And it was!
The book of Revelation has perplexed so many because of false dispensationalism that makes it a future book. Once it's placed before 70AD it's pretty easy...
Also, please explain WHEN this happened?
Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Seems to say Israel would one day have their eyes opened and acknowledge Jesus IS their messiah. That does not seem to have happened yet. Current statement of Judism is Mary was a harlot and Christ was a fraud.
Seems this change of heart is yet future ??
@@tdmartin7 Hi... The timing of that scripture is post Mt 16:28 and Mt 24:34... Once one is honest with those verses, the context and Daniel's 490 yrs then you can work out an answer to your question. Answering your question at this time would be a mistake as you might not be seeing the bigger picture yet...
@@tdmartin7 that's not really the JeMs sorry I had to code that statement. They have been set up to make it appear as though we're in Rev 7. We're in Rev 20 s@tan$ l1ttle se@$0n. Check it out God bless 👍
What you said is so SPOT ON! That was true for myself also. It all makes way more sense. Watch Pastor Chuck Baldwins excellent sermon on the Desruction of Jerusalem. You may gleen more things there too.
@@carlbodene8150 this one? th-cam.com/video/KzD8tjw4R3c/w-d-xo.html
I don't see how anything he said proves it didn't already happen? Meanwhile there is so much proof that it did already happen.
Good job 👍
I think his point was to mention that 2 Thessalonians 4 implies that the dead in Christ will rise first, and then the lord will come.
@@iceblaze3043 they did rise. Many witnessed it
@@sinnersaved1033 When? And when were the 1,000 years of peace?
@@jflsdknf when Jesus assended from aberhams bossom I know there was a mass resurrection. Although some believe there will be multiple dead rising occasions.
The thousand years of peace I believe is what we call the dark ages but I also don't believe we're in 2024. Closer to 1240 ish in the year of the lord getting close to the 250 year mark after the 1000 year reign of christ. We're in what's called Satan's little season in Rev 20. during the time he's able to pull off a deception of the nations. I believe they added time to our timeline to hide the fact that shortly after Jesus death and acention that's when he returned within his disciples lifetime. They then built massive castles that the world's governments destroyed and conspired together to explain away such as all of our capital buildings. I have many refrences I can show you if You're intrigued. I have to warn you it will destroy what you have been taught as our history and you won't be able to unsee the millenial reign buildings that you mist likely have driven by many times in your city...
Yes, Christ returned in judgement in 70 AD, ended the Jewish age, and opened the doors of heaven. Just as He promised He would. It's VERY clear that every inspired NT author expected the imminent return of Christ. Preterism is the only eschatological view that makes everything makes sense
It would seem that way. Nero fits the antichrist figure perfectly. Nero's nickname was the beast and even non Christians said he was the worst human being of his time. The millennium is what seems unclear to me. Also who were or are the two witnesses. I personally tend to lean more towards the millennium already happened and we're in the stage of the enemy being allowed to deceive the nations for a little while and gathering the nations to make war against The Lamb. This could just be a coincidence but the great schizim happened roughly 1,000 years after (1054 A.D.) maybe that was the literal millennium. That still doesn't explain the enemy being loosed for a "little while". Since it's been another 1,000 years (roughly) since the church split. (Assuming that the church splitting was the millennium)
Have you seen the tartaria structures, and how we’ve been lied to about our timeline? I’m starting to think we are the generation in Revelation 20 where satan is let loosed one last time to deceive the world.
I'm following. But what of Christ's thousand year reign upon His return?
When i look at Archeology, Anthropology, and Archetecture of past civilizatons compaiing it to NT scripture, i am more of the Preterist view than not. Over and over again we are told in NT scirpture that the people woud see His return that generation would not pass away before His return.. its amazing how i missed this. I do not believe the earth is 7-10,000 years old anymore, so much is hidden. a very close look at the pause between Genisis 1:1 and Genisis 1:2 suggests a re-creation of YHWY's original creation! Scripture says: "Even the elect......." something to ponder. Thank you ML Wilson!
@@justsayin8893 Hey JS, haven't heard back from ML so thought I'd reach out and ask you if you have any ideas about the thousand year reign? Where did it go, and where does it fit?
Some people think He came, just as described by Paul, already, and reigned on earth for 1000 years, and then the devil is let out for a time (well, he is surely out today) so since so much of our history is hidden, & lied about, like tartaria, world fairs, giants living amongst people our size, etc, I don't think it's far fetched to take a second look. That said, I still think Jesus is coming back and soon... and I need Him to because this world, the pain in it, the demonic powers in it, it's just so out of wack. I want a peaceful kingdom, a righteous kingdom.
Yes, after waking up to the truth about the earth not being a globe in space 7 + yrs ago I now believe Rapture and the Great Tribulation already happened. Don't know how I ever missed "God set the earth on its Foundation so that it would not move", "The earth was established so that it cannot move", "The Pillars are the Lords and he has set the earth upon them". Then when we look at the physics of water how water always needs to be contained in nature how water cannot conform around the outside of shapes in reality. That debunks the globe/pear as gravity even if real cannot change the behavior of water. Then I also missed-"God brought the earth out of water and surrounded it with water", "The Firmament separates the water above from the water below". Meaning space is a water. When we look at science that also confirms scripture. Space cannot possibly be a vacuum due to the natural law of Thermodynamics. As we cannot have gas pressure next to a vacuum without containment. Examining Sprites, sun dogs and rainbows also give evidence to the firmament the encloses the earth. We were all deceived by the "father of lies"-Satan. Once we see the truth of Gods creation the blinders come off and we can then discover much more hidden truth in our reality and history.
@@ginafarrell6797 I think as soon as global earth was pushed, probably when about the time, satan was let out of his prison- yeah, 100% correct, we are on a flat earth, it's so obvious. I still have globes in my house, they probably need to be destroyed lol. oh- to, 1. make people believe the bible is wrong, or 2. for believers, make us think the entire bible is "allegory"
@@ginafarrell6797 3. global earth makes us believe we are just a speck of dust no God could ever care about, just a parasite on the earth, so insignificant compared to the vast expansion of space... it makes humans believe we are just unimportant, when we think we are a speck of dust in the universe- flat earth is 100% true, nasa knows it, it's crazy waking up to the vile cabal, and how everything they do, is in direct opposition to the bible.. so many people have woken up to seek Christ after seeing who they worship
Dude, alot of what you mentioned has good evidence to it, but not tartaria. I went down that rabbit hole and its total BS. I can show you proof those world fairs were temp buildings
We are missing 1000 years in history
This was so helpful and insightful. There are many mysteries in the Bible but we believe Jesus is the Way, The Truth, and The Life! Amen!
Dang.
When Christ returns we won't need to ask 'Has Christ already returned'.
amen. partial preterism is correct
Early Christians would disagree with you since some of them were worried Christ had already returned.
He returened in judgement in AD 70. He will return physically on the Last Day. Make sure you are ready to meet God.
He destroyed the Jewish temple and sacrificial system in AD 70.
@@56pjr That was Gods judgement in 70 AD
Jesus promised to return within the lifetimes of the apostles and every new testament author expected an imminent return. What's more likely - that you are misinterpreting symbolic language about the return of Christ or that every early Christian was wrong about the timing and didn't know what the word "soon" meant?
I agree - and I do believe he returned to the Jewish disciples in their life time. For me this was Pentacost - and the subsequent outpouring of the holy spirit that followed with many other righteous jews were "born again" and subsequently raptured before and during the destruction of Jerusalem and other Jewish cities.
But the real question is do you think that means Jesus job was finished ? That was the second coming and now there is nothing more. Most (I would think pretty much all) christians would say no. Even if you believe he did return to his followers in their life time we believe the words he spoke to the Christian churches in revelation - after the destruction of Jerusalem. After all his core disciples had already left the physical realm as martyrs except for John who writes revelation an estimated 20 years after the roman siege of Jerusalem while being held captive on the island of Patmos.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
ew believe that Jesus stands ready to "come again" to anyone who earnestly repents and dedicates themselves to him and Gods will. That he will come to them and make his home with them and they will be filled with his holy spirit.
@@David-_-_- revelation was written before 70 AD or it would make any sense as to whom it was written for, Catholics changed the date
Jesus has already returned, That is in the past
I love the fact that more people are realizing this.
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@@davidfreeman9838 me too!
I also notice how he goes to versus that don't actually address what Christ said in plain language. Some of you standing here will not taste death until you see the son of God coming. These people use modern interpretation of what they read instead of what those words meant to those it was spoken to. Coming on the clouds, in the glory of the father, etc. etc. were idioms that had a meaning to 1st century Christians. They say elements is earth fire wind and water, when biblically the greek work stoicheion meant elemental doctrines 2 Peter 3:12. It is disingenuous and corrupt. He also has no idea what preterism is; I realized this as soon as he said hyper-preterism. It is just all things fulfilled at AD70.
Look around at the amazing structures, statues and artworks from the past. It's not something human beings did with hammer and chisel. Those amazing structures were made during the 1000 year reign and satan has deceived the nation's.
I am very new to this but think it may be right. Have been wondering if we didn't have our interpretation all wrong...now looking into all this. Very disappointed because I've longed for the rapture for decades. Not sure what's going to happen next now. World is rocked..
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From my opinion, and it's only my opinion, we are the " rest of the dead " getting our chance to put our faith in Jesus Christ.
@@joedirt6073 I will look into that. I am a believer in Jesus still and the gospel. But I'm shook on everything else.
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Revelation 20 is where I believe we are
In my opinion Jesus told his apostles that he would be back during some of their lives. And that makes sense to me. Lots of people died before Jesus was on earth so it seems like our creator would give us all a second chance
yep. especially not horse and buggy people who lived in literal shacks 😂 it's wild. when you see super old photos of cities. they look abandoned but then there are people in the streets with their horses and it's all muddy and they look SO out of place
Matthew 16:28
“Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
John 21:22-24
Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
💯 and we should put anyone’s words above Jesus’. He referred to Paul, but skipped what Jesus said and didn’t talk about His brother James.
He already came back ..he was here
No he hasn't.
I am beginning to see that is a high possibility with more prayer and more digging maybe I will be certain if we are living in Satan's little season
The weight of evidence is strongly on the side of full preterism, but you have to dig in to see it. What most believe is irrelevant, just like it was when Luther came along and did his revolutionary thing. Scriptures refuting futurism are all over the place once you get to looking without futurist presuppositions. You can't just cite a handful of what appears to be opposing passages and take that as conclusive without honestly investigating the claims, pro-preterist and con-futurist of the preterist side.
You should trust that Jesus told the truth, He said "soon", "at hand", "coming quickly" etc. Everything was imminent! Nothing was distant future! If you believe in Jesus, you believe His words, not the words of 21st century businessmen.
I'm really starting to lean towards this. My mother has been on this for a while in the first time someone ever said that Jesus had already come some years ago I remember that and I thought they were out of their mind.
@@hiswords777 I recommend the channel Heretic Chick Chat. @kristinbingamon568
2 Peter 3:8-9
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
@@timok70 In Psalm 90, Moses describes a thousand years as a very short time for God:
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
Moses compares man to grass, which grows by day and is cut down by night. Even if a man lives to be 80, his life is short. He asks God to teach the Israelites to number their days so that their hearts will be focused on gaining wisdom.
The Apostle Peter echoed this sentiment when he said:
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
@@Robin_ASG do you really think Jesus came back around 40 years later? And than His kingdom started?
There is so much that need to be fullfilled before He will return,and His kingdom will make an huge impact and difference than we see now
We all will see him come back on the clouds and not only a small part of the people will believe He is back.
I cant wait that Israel will accept Jesus as their messiah as Paul writes in Romans 11:25-36
And that Israel will mourn about the one they pierced read Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7
So many christians dont agree with you.
Believe me if Christ will return no follower of Him will be unsure that our Lord is back.
Revelaion 1:7
Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen
He that says that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and he that says that Jesus Christ has not come in the flesh is not of God. Now let me say it in English. He that says that Jesus has already come back, and he is in them is filled with the Holy Ghost. He said I will never leave you or forsake you, where do you think he is? And he that says that Jesus has not come in the flesh yet, but waiting for him to come back is the church of the devil, antichrist, the spirit of error. The whole world is in error, They're nothing but religion, no spirituality. I asked him when are you coming back? And he answered, I am in you. Jesus how long have you been back, since the day of Pentecost. Jesus is not Catholic, nor is he Pentecostal or anything in between, that is man making up stuff. Mark my words, Jesus Christ is back, how else could we be the body of Christ if he wasn't back? Here are two things that you don't know, there's no water in baptism and Christ returned already. And the rapture is catching up to the mind of God in breathable air. I was taken but my brothers and sisters were left behind. Taken for what reason, to be meat for the master's use. Now I've told you the truth and you cannot receive it. So, what did we learn here? There's no water in baptism, nor are there hands, Jesus Christ has already returned, and he is in us, and if we're born from above and Christ is formed in us, we're already raptured. Denomination religions are not of God. It's man's ideology. Sorry you're all wrong. He that has the Son, has life. He that has not the Son, has not life. His real name was Yeshua Christos, and he is in me, and I am in him. This is that day that nobody wanted to hear the truth. The children of God cannot sin because the seed has remained.
I don't believe that Christ would leave us all behind, without bringing his salvation ..and he also promised to make everything new. There are so many sighns of him coming ..and so many wonderful souls waiting for this to happen. In Revelation it is written, about a new heaven and a new earth, where peace, freedom will be ..and above all ..love 💖 Amen 🎆🕊️🌾
1 Thess 4:15 “For this we say unto [you] by the word of the Lord, that [we] that are alive, that are left unto the coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede [them] that are fallen asleep.”
Who's the “them?” Those who had died! Then the other pronouns refer to those who are alive then! Whom are the “you” and “we” that Paul is addressing? Pronouns matter in the text! It was his original readers. THEY were the ones who would experience the things Paul was writing about. THEY were the ones who “some” would be alive at the coming of the Lord. Some of THEM. Not 2000 years later!
So this man would tell that young lady that the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write to the Thessalonians, telling THEM that some of THEM would be alive to see the events he was describing, in order to settle their concerns over those who had already died; and it was all a lie??????????? Do you actually believe the Holy Spirit would do that???? That Paul could get that so vigorously wrong?????? Balderdash!
And that trumpet:
MT 24:31 “And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a [trumpet], and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
There's your trumpet described right there after the “tribulation of those days” MT 24:29, that was when THAT temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD. There is no confusion or ambiguity here.
1 Cor 15:51,52, 58 “Behold, I tell [you] a mystery: [We] all shall not sleep, but [we] shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and [we] shall be changed.” Whom do the pronouns correspond to? The original readers of Paul's letter!!
:58 “Wherefore, my beloved brethren, be [ye] stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as [ye] know that [your] labor is not vain in the Lord.” Why would Paul say this to people liven THEN, if it referred to person living 2000 years in the future? It's meaningless to them that way.
2 Thess 1:6 “since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with (tribulation) (MT 24:29) those who trouble [you], (THEM) 7 and to give [you] who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.” THEY were to witness the vengeance on that generation, and the subsequent resurrection.
This man knows nothing about the over 100 time statements in the New Testament alone. Meaning? His timing is off.
I believe the only way to explain our hidden history and the hidden existence of Tartaria and hidden ancient technology mud floods ect. is now we are living in the age of deception or what revelation 20 refers to as satans little season. We are living in the time after the 1000 year reign and just before the final judgment.
I suggest you research more on the 1000 years labeled the "dark ages" and how our history has been manipulated and stolen and hidden. There is so much evidence that points to Christ already returning.
The bible is a HISTORICAL account of what already happened!
This answered nothing
Well said, Pastor John! We can take consolation from Acts 1:9-11 when Christ ascended after having completed His earthly ministry, very soon thereafter, a part of the deity / Godhead in Acts 2:1-3
He returned as promised to those he spoke to
Jesus said he was speaking to "everyone", that _every eye_ would see him - even those who pierced him. He also spoke to Caiaphas and all those who were with him saying that they would see him coming in the clouds, and yet Caiaphas died in 36 AD.
This idea that Jesus promised to return within a generation is false. It is based on an incorrect interpretation of Matthew 24:34.
If u already returned there would be no questions about it. The 1000year reign would’ve already happened. New perfect earth would’ve already been created and we would all not exist. Such foolish claims leads me to assume ur just a anti God atheist filled with bad energy trying to mislead others who come across this video
@@paulbrennan4163 there's no way around the numerous time statements in the gospels and epistles. Perhaps Caiaphas and his contemporaries did see Christ coming in judgement ("in the clouds") as they were raised to face their final judgement at the end of the Old Covenant Age in 70 AD.
@@justanother240 No way around the time statements? Please show me a list of these time statements that _unequivocally_ refer to Jesus coming in the clouds, or returning in the way he was seen returning to the earth that indicate that it would happen in 70 AD. I have no problem with the fact that JUDGEMENT was impending in the region, that Jerusalem would fall, and that the temple would be destroyed. Concerning Jesus return however, what we see in the NT is exactly what we would expect given the following facts:
1. that the Apostles did NOT know the time of Jesus return.
2. that is was NOT for them to know the times and seasons the Father had determined.
3. that despite this they were responsible for making sure that the flock under their care would not fall asleep.
Failure to understand these biblical fact is why the time statements are being missinterpreted.
It is also apparant to me that _both_ preterists and futurists missunderstand Matthew 24:34 and therefore try to squeeze all the end time events into a way too small period of time. Jesus did NOT say that all these events would occur "within a generation" as is so often claimed. I can show you what Jesus was really talking about if you want.
Apart from a few verses in Revelation (which can, and have been explained from a futurist perspective), the only time statements that I am aware of in the NT that UNQUESTIONABLY refer to Jesus return are the following, and they ALL indicate that it will be a long time coming:
"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away *A LONG TIME,...’"* (Matthew 24:45)
"The bridegroom was *A LONG TIME* in coming, and *they ALL became drowsy and fell asleep."* (Matthew 25:5)
"After A LONG TIME the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them." (Matthew 25:19)
That's three parables in a row that ALL indicate that Jesus would return after a long time!
And finally we have the following prophecy written by Peter only a few years before Jerusalem fell, not saying that people were losing patience in HIS day, but some time in the future:
"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." (2 Peter 3:3-4)
And
"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:8-9)
Now I don't think for a moment Peter believed that Jesus would return thousands of years later. But that, acccording to Peter himself, is how prophecy works! The author is carried along by the Holy Spirit often unaware of the deatails of his prophecy because they serve later generations.
These passages also indicate that Jesus return was conditional!
@@justanother240it happened dude. Go look at your nearest old world architecture, see it is buried in mud (loosening of the pit after the millennial) then think about all the oddities since the 1700’s. False claims of building America when structures are “founded”, insane asylums for those that would not go along with the narrative, orphan trains and once again… every structure that is old is now buried at least two stories deep from an unrecorded event in history. “Basement” windows are sometimes completely covered and the irony is the first photos from your town will show when they “built” that city it is on the exact same street level as today.
The pit was loosed, we are in the little season, therefore the ongoing narrative of deception. So please wake up
Before, soon to come, whatever! Jesus is our hope and that's it
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Cannot be “legitimately interpreted”. Since then, the interpretations of Douglas Wilson and RC Sproul hold to this exact view, are they heretical? I find it hard to believe that they would call the premil view illegitimate interpretation, though they would disagree with it. You have given the amil and postmil positions a lot of grace in the past, but this seems harsh.
Thank you, Pastor John, for preaching this message.
He's here, watching. Armor up folks.
Antichrist? No he's gone
Yes.
Every argument you’re making must be understood in the context of things that would shortly take place, 2000 years does not equal a short period of time read Daniel.
Apparently you have not read Josephus' War of The Jews. All those things were recoded by the historian that was witnessed by HUNGREDS of people in 70AD. You are not speaking from a position of knowledge. And that's a shame.
Why would you perpetuate the lie that just because the second coming already occurred that we have “no hope”? We have new earth coming once this little season of deception is over. There is tremendous hope in awaiting the new earth. You then are teaching the disciples, Christ and his audience were all delusional in thinking his return was soon to come. You probably think the earth is a globe then too? The Bible is either inerrant and trust worthy or it is not. You can’t have it both ways and say the Bible is just prophetic and full of allegory.
Preterism seems to make sense of quite a few verses that are strange if Jesus did not return in the generation that spoke with Jesus during his pre-crucifixion years. Was Jesus wrong? Confused? It does not add up. In Thessalonians, an honest read suggests very strongly those who are alive in Christ - his readers - will be joined with those already dead. Or, the return of Christ was close. Not more than 2,000 years away. Not much comfort in that! Read it for yourself. 1 Thessalonians 4. The whole chapter (or book really) is best. They quite clearly thought as do the readers of most the new testament letters that Jesus was about to return. Preterism seems to work better in my opinion.
2000 years away being a long time and not close is YOUR OPINION. There is no linear time with God. 2000 years is not time for God. When he said I am coming quickly, to Gods perspective, it was quickly.
Youre super imposing your man-made opinions on whats a long time on Gods time table. Vile.
God wrote his word for man and man is in a timeframe. God wrote to Daniel to seal up the book as the prophecy fulfilment was a long way off, so seal it. Under 400 years. When God spoke through John in Revelation, He said to NOT seal up the book as it was a short time away. What would be the point of sealing or not if God cannot tell time?
You may think God cannot tell time to men, but that is not what I see.@@NWLegacyChannel
Thank you for addressing this topic Pastor! I've been grieved by this teaching....I have circles of friends who believe that Christ has already returned and it's shocking just how thoroughly it effects all aspects of their lives! Usually I see this belief branch into other beliefs like dominion theology or theonomic reconstructionalism. It really distracts believers from the Gospel because they are stuck thinking they are supposed to mainly be "taking dominion of the land" in order to "begin reigning with Christ". It's hard because it's often hard to reason with them too...I love them so dearly and I believe them to be true believers, but just very distracted believers... I would love prayers for me to be a light to them to help them focus on the spreading of the Gospel rather than all the rabbit trails of false doctrine! 🙏❤️
Research Tartaria. You,ll see we’ve been lied to about everything, and that it’s possible they’re hiding the remains of Christ’s 1000 year reign that’s already happened. There has to be a generation living in Revelation 20..where satan is let lose one last time to deceive the world. Why couldn’t it be us? God bless
@@BoxerBruce Thanks for your comment! First I want to say that your dog videos are super cute! My son loved them!
Secondly, I want to let you know that I did research Tartaria and did refresh on Revelation 20. I have to say I have never heard of that theory before and I see how you could come to that conclusion. However, and please don't take this wrongly (I only want to have a mutually beneficial and encouraging conversation ☺️), but I believe that Rev. 20:7-10 is talking about a short amount of time after the 1,000 year reign, the final battle. That after a perfect rule under Christ and the Church, the people's hearts, those who had the mark of the beast, would still rebel. That as soon as Satan is released they are immediately deceived and follow him in one last hopeful attempt to fight against Christ and His power. I believe that this would make sense since the antichrist would have already come, which as we see now, he has not yet come.
So you know my standing, I'm a historic premillennial when it comes to eschatology. (Not to get confused with modern premillennialism, aka left behind series)
Also, I would like to ask you if your theory turns out to be the correct one, what are we to expect? Would that place us in a time where we are all lost followers of Satan blindly following him? I'd like to know your thoughts. ☺️ And may God bless you too!
Have you actually studied it out for yourself, your friends are spot on, the scriptures are clear.
@@mcgragor1 I'm not sure which friends you're referring to being "spot on". But yes, I've studied it a lot. Especially along side of family and other brothers and sisters in the church who had similar concerns at the time. We all felt that dominion theology almost always got distracted from the gospel and focused too much on the law, which we all know Christ came to fulfill. Our study of the topic hasn't ended either, we continue to talk to our dear brothers and sisters in Christ who are caught up in dominion theology, and we constantly work to ensure that we are seeking the scriptures and have them be our highest authority on every matter. I will be quick to admit I'm not the strongest in memorizing scripture or having my points on the tip of my tongue. But I have read the many different passages that both sides argue and feel very confident that dominion theology is a distracted theology that centers around the law not Christ.
And if we are looking at whether or not Christ has returned for his second coming, scripture is clear that every eye will see and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord on that day. And that has not happened. We are also still waiting for the many signs Christ said would come before. Like the abomination that makes desolation that will seat himself on the temple throne. It can't have happened if the temple hasn't even been rebuilt! And no man has come, declaring himself to be God, and have signs and wonders that deceive all but the elect. And the millennial reign with Christ is a reign WITH Christ. Not the just holy spirit, with Christ. Christ is not here. We are still waiting. Christ will return. And what a joyous day that will be!
Have a blessed day! And if you have points you'd like to share I'm happy to keep talking! 😊
@@madelynfranklin7076 Amen
He very clearly connects the resurrection with the second coming. He says it is a precious and blessed hope of resurrection. Why in the world would they be writing to other churches and believers about waiting for what Christ would do just for us 2000 years later? It was all about the monumental change that was happening, from Christ, until the end of that age. He changed EVERYTHING.
About Phil 3:20, he says none of us have that glorified body now, but 1 Cor 15:46+ says we have to get rid of the physical body before we can put on our immortal, glorified body. Some were “sleeping” at that time, in Sheol. From the point of that last trumpet, when people died, they wouldn’t go to “sleep” in Sheol. We would be instantly brought up into the air, to go meet Christ. 1 Cor. 15:54-55 says that’s when we can understand that death has lost its victory and sting. Jesus defeated death so that there would no longer be a time of waiting in Sheol. Our body dies, but our soul/spirit does not die.
We try to read the Bible with a modern day, western mindset and don’t even try to understand how remarkably different the ancient world thought and was expressed. To come in flaming fire just meant that He would come in judgment. I’m understanding more and more how important it is to become like a child. I don’t know what the form of literature it is, but it’s kind of like letting go of taking everything literally and imagining in a very fantasy-like, grand expression of what is really being related.
You are speaking of before he actually came back. Yes the apostles and followers that were still alive.
Not those that have yet to be born.
Count how many times you read "you". He was talking to real people during that day.
Why would he be warning people of that day about a lawless man they would never know?
Those of us still alive....so are there people still alive 2000+ years later?
I think a big issue with this topic in Christianity is that it doesn't actually teach about the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70AD at all. Like it just basically ignores it.
Whether or not you believe this was the "true second coming" of christ (I think it was for the jews - but not his final coming) Its really weird how its not included in the teaching at all - because its very clear its one of the primary reasons Jesus came when he did. In Matthew 24 he says the destruction of the temple would be a "key sign". 70AD was essentially the "Day of the Lord" for the jews of that time. Just like the Babylonian Exile in 500-600 BC and just like the Egyptian slavery and Exodus in 2000 BC - Jesus came ahead of the "Day of the Lord" it to provide "grace" so it could "passover" them. Christianity weirdly "skips" the judgement part and the destruction of Jerusalem. We get little pieces like Jesus weeping for the city of Jerusalem as he rides in on a donkey foretelling its destruction because they did not head his teaching. But then the bible "skips" it actually happening and leaves it out of not just scripture but the wider theoligical teaching on Christ and what happened following his death. Thats the part I find most difficult to understand. Most christians I speak with genuinely don't even know what happened in 70AD because its never discussed or taught on.
It’s for the gentiles as well.. Hence HEAVENLY FATHER sending Jesus to make that possible..
And you do have a valid point, but ultimately it’s having faith in knowing THE WORD OF GOD that’s important and not anyone else interpretation , hence making sure we knew we shouldn’t rely on our own understandings as we are not even close to understanding how or why GOD does what he does as we are just mere humans who have all been subconsciously reconditioned just by existing on this earth. Which is why we just simply ask HIM if we don’t understand something, and he will inevitably lead us to the answer , always.
If you’ve ever noticed that when you pick up the Bible and randomly open it , as you start re reading the same things over again it either begins to take on a whole new meaning than what had originally resonated prior or becomes much more understandable , either at that moment or shortly after it will definitely resonate more . (Some things more obvious than others we as humans tend to forget that sometimes it’s not as difficult as we perceive things to be, to only eventually find it was much more simple than we had realized.) and will inevitably see even the smallest details playing out in the world or our personal lives..
That’s why we should always keep rereading the Bible through our time on earth as that’s how we be capable of understand it, to be able to get the most out of it, in due time.
Which we know truly pleases GOD .
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@@t.rok13 Yes I agree with your first comments. After his death and resurrection Jesus opened the covenant to gentiles as well (thankfully as I am one :) ) Up until that point he had been exclusively ministering to 'The lost sheep of Israel'. He was doing this because of the coming judgement that was coming for Israel. Basically trying to get them to repent to avoid or have "passover" them what happens in 70AD. As he rides into Jerusalem he crys for the city and says the time for repentance is now over and their fate is sealed and whats required of them "will be hidden from their eyes". Luke 19:41 Then after his resurrection he then opened the teaching and the new covenant to also go to the gentiles with the disciples and Paul being instructed to take the Gospel to the whole world.
But still the fact the siege of Jerusalem is completely ommited from Christian teaching and theology is just bizarre. It would be like if the book of Exodus excluded the plagues of Egypt or if they just skipped over what happened in the Babylonian exile in the old testament. (The previous days of the Lord). Its one of the most important events related to Jesus ministry. It makes absolutely no sense and "confuses" the story and teaching by omitting an event Jesus said was vitally important and prophesized and spoke about on multiple occasions with his disciples. To me it kind of seems like as the Church seperate from Judaism it "over gentiled" the teaching. Removing the key Jewish specific parts of Jesus ministry. It also gives a skewed view of the reality of what happened to the Jewish people who didn't head his teaching / warning.
If Christ has not come, then nobody is in Heaven as judgment day is in the future. If John believes people go to Heaven with a glorified body, then he must approve full preterism. Also Thessalonians we’re promised relief from persecution when Christ comes. They were persecuted by the Jews. In 70AD, when Jerusalem was destroyed by fire, their persecution would have ended as there would be no more authority left. This. Verse proves full preterism.
I'm leaning more towards partial preterist
No man knows the day nor the hour.
Oh, but we know it's "soon." It's like "free beer tomorrow," which really means tomorrow from tomorrow, from tomorrow, from tomorrow... It forever creates a sense of urgency while at the same time forever leaving an escape hatch.
That is a Jewish idiom for "The Feast of Trumpets." That is coming up on September 7th. Better watch carefully.
@@chadcampbell7576 "...coming up on September 7th. Better watch carefully." Is this really the first time you committed to such a date? Were you watching carefully any dates in the past? :)
@@Christmas-dg5xc Yes, I watch carefully on all the appointed Holy Days. I am not committing to anything. I am just telling you when "Trumpets" is this year. It happens once year in the fall:)
@@chadcampbell7576 Ok, you "watch carefully" for what to happen that is out of the ordinary?
Has it occurred to anyone that if he takes all the Christians the people left over are not going to be falling all over themselves to leave a written record of the proof of his coming that they adamantly would deny. Not to mention hate.
You are arguing from a position which assumes that history would tell you about events you question. You have all of what Josephus wrote but because nobody recorded (or kept a record over 2000 years for you to read,) the exact event of a trumpet; that in turn must mean we should throw out all of the language clearly telling us it was imminent and ALL of the other events which were in fact recorded. Which is to say 9/10 of it.
Let's ignore Christ, let's ignore Paul who told us the word was preached to every creature across the whole world. Let's ignore John the revelator who nobody even disputes believed and spelled it out clearly for those knowing his language at the time, Peter, and Christ's brother who both clearly identified the Antichrist as Nero outright without even using Gematria. Let's ignore all the prophetic events of the siege of Jerusalem and the exactly 7 years of terror that unfolded there haha. Let's ignore the 2000 years of time that has lapsed ignoring the 100 places in the new testament it tells us SOON. Let's all ignore the little season of Revelation 20:7, 8 and the clear warning telling us that Satan will rise again and manage to deceive the ENTIRE world. I can go on, but why not just ignore it all. We don't see a written record of Christ himself blowing a trumpet therefore it's all wrong.
I wonder if when he does return you will hold his return to the same level of scrutiny. If every drop of it will need to be documented and said documents last 2000 years or more or else it must be false.
This seems a lot like what the Jews of Christ time tried to do. Tried to nitpick him to death despite the obvious truth.
Doesn't it bother you that shortly after the events the preterists say were prophetic events the Romans hijacked our church and made it into a building when Christ quite clearly asked us to keep it a people and ordered us directly to place no man in authority among us? Have you EVER been to a church building WITHOUT a singular man in authority over others? I think it unlikely for most of us. How sure are you that the history you know is exactly right when every drop of it is recorded in a building owned and 100% controlled by the same Roman church to this very day. This doesn't bother you at all?
There is one place in the bible that should concern preterist and one alone. 2 Timothy 2:18 None other, and that itself proves nothing since it has to be wrong eventually. Only a matter of time. When Christ returns will you henceforth call all preachers of his return heretics? I imagine you imagine that of course you would not.
How could anyone possibly think Christ has already returned??? 🤔 Read the Bible, it's right there in black and white, pretty easy to figure out what will happen when that time comes and it definitely has not happened.
Over 100 verses say he was due back before his friends died. I believe jesus over satan
Amen
I recently have come to make residence in the partial preterism camp after learning about Hermaneutics and Exegesis.
I was originally taught everything was future related (Olivet discourse etc) but upon analysis I didn't flow with the consistency of scripture. 70AD was unheard of too. (The denomination attend but not follow teachings wise is Pentacostal for failure of finding a more dare I say biblical church in the area currently)
I'm thankful for your perspective as it's a lonely road to travel but beneficial in my journey as a follower of Christ.
He doesn't present his view as partial preterism though. He describes it and expose the Bible. John MacArthur is not a Pentecostal and I think he explains eschatology pretty simple and open so as anyone can understand it (as the Bible puts it also very plain and simple)
amen. partial preterism is correct
@Brad Conklin that's not even on the subject that is discussed here...
Maybe what you're referring to is the "whosoever" part, so, let me tell you this: it's not "whosoever" but *"whosoever believeth"* !! That's very different!
The question is: how do you believe?
@Brad Conklin I know you think all that makes sense, but it doesn't. I don't even know who to respond to that, so I won't.
@Brad Conklin So your Hermaneutic is rooted in nationalism and racism... Thank you for reminding me why Eisegesis is dangerous and I pray that you begin to bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Also you might want to look at the book of Acts...
We know that the Savior initially came as the Suffering Servant, and that He will come again as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Why is it so hard to believe that He came & exacted judgment on His own generation, just as He promised, and that He will yet come again at the end of the world, & we will all participate in the Marriage Supper of The Lamb? 70 A.D. sure does not sound like a party.
And BTW, the millennial reign was the so called dark ages. It started around 450AD, with the destruction of Rome, the extent of the world as people knew it, & ended around 1450AD, with the advent of the so-called enlightenment. You have to wonder how all of that magnificent architecture & technology existed and yet there are virtually no written records. It really makes me wonder what is in the vatican archives, and I'm a cradle catholic.
Nope. I am still here. When the Lord comes to the air He will catch me up to meet Him in the air with all true Christians.
The bible doesn't say that though. That's an entire doctrine built on a misunderstanding of one verse
@@mlwilson2956 Are you trying to say that the apostle Paul did not understand what he was writing to the Thessalonians, and to the Corinthians. Also is the Lord Jesus telling lies in John ch. 14 v 1-3 when He said that if He went away (to the Father's house) that He would come again and receive us unto Himself that where He is there we might be also. The Rapture is for the satisfaction of the Love of the Lord Jesus for His church/bride. He takes us to Heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb. When He comes back to earth as the Son of Man, He comes WITH the saints. They cannot come with Him unless they are already in Heaven before the tribulation. When He comes back to earth it will be in judgement, not in Love for His own. Now tell me, where is the misunderstanding of 'one verse'.?
When John unnecessarily read the same passages we all already read 100x, totally confirm for me that consistent preterism is true
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So did he return before this video? Or after this video?
Also why would Paul and Jesus be answering their concerns with something that would not take place for at least 2000 years makes no sense.
Poor o'l John has to dance around the truth in order to save the man-made traditions.
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Repent from the nonsense & choose the red pill.
All of Bible prophecy has been fulfilled.
I was opened to this belief by someone recently, and I too was SO caught of guard. The Holy Spirit, abiding in me, gave me a conviction that something was off.
I searched the scriptures, and thought over them, and the more I searched & thought, the more I realized how startlingly unbiblical preterism is. Search the scriptures regarding the return of Christ, and consider the times that the return of Christ is written to gentile churches FAR from Jerusalem. If His second coming was only in Jerusalem, it would not make sense for God to be telling churches far from Jerusalem all about the second coming & judgment of Jesus.
It wasn't His second coming, it was one of the comings. Many times God in the Old Testament would come on clouds with judgment to judge nations. Jesus Himself came and judged Jerusalem, Stephen was accused because of this: "For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs Moses handed down to us." (Acts 6:14)
@@emanuilgoshev350 Looking for truth, His truth is truly a goal worth attaining.
What is pleasing to the Lord will be seen when He returns.
We are to seek the kingdom first. What does the kingdom look like?
Scriptures like Ezekiel 44 & Malachi 3 tell us what He considers are the righteous ways of God.
amen. partial preterism is correct
yes it would because the word was preached to the world. read it the letters from john.even jesus preached to those in hell. everyone heard the word.besides the new covenant could only begin when the old one had passed away.
There is more to it than that, the time statements and all of the other statements that they were expecting something in their lifetime is clear, the only thing that fits is AD 70, read Josephus, there were lots of signs even armies seen in the clouds.
2v17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 2v18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
I’m from the church of Christ I figured out it was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem that is Christ second coming all by myself and by the way I can’t find anybody that will debate me on the subject, including all the elders in the church.
Research Tartaria, and how they could be hiding the remains of Christ’s 1000 year reign that could’ve already happened. There has to be a generation living after the 1000 year reign and when satan is loosed a short season...why couldn’t that be us? Interesting. I’m starting to think this is the case. We’ve been taught lies since birth.
LOOK AROUND, all the clues are there, world's been melted, electrified and burn't. Jesus came back a long long time ago. There's no way our Father would leave his children suffering for 2000 years after Christs sacrifice upon the cross - NO WAY!!!
so the people born in the last 2000 years are not gods children ?
Meaning we are in the time satan is loosed for a little while? Then when was the 1,000 year reign?
@@jflsdknf millennial Reign ended sometime before 1776
I believe we are living in Satans little season. Jesus Christ has reigned since he ascended to the right hand of The Father. We are the last generation and Christs second coming…He is coming! Satan is now building his army. We know how that ends. God Bless you all. Continue to trust. Continue to pray and Walk in His Word. Plead the Blood of Jesus Christ over yourselves and your families. We are living in the great deception. God is True! He is Love! He is The Way! Amen. Praise His Holy Name Jesus Christ is King. Amen.
It seems like there are "comings" of Christ. His incarnation, His judgement on Jerusalem (70AD) and third his coming after the millennium followed by the enemy deceiving the nations.
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Actually, the preterest interpretation is not rare at all. It was the understood theology of the church until Martin Luther.
No Jesus has not return yet but He is coming again.
Revelation 22:7 Behold I come quickly. Blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this Book...come Jesus quickly come to establish a new heaven and new earth where there is no death, no sickness and no suffering.
Jesus has returned- "Those who have pierced me will see me coming in the clouds", "Some of you standing here will not taste death". etc Check out the Tartaria the huge spectacular castles built on the tippy top of mountains. There is no way we built them before the horse and buggy time. I believe we are living in "Satans little season" before Gog and Magog. We still go to be with Jesus that is all that counts!
What exactly is your definition of “quickly”?
But when a writer speaks about "we who are alive" rather than "those who are alive " would suggest that they are speaking of presently existing persons and not 3000 yrs later. Why would Christ and John speak of a future event of 3000 years to come and not say so. They were both speaking to people of that time as would be suggested in the wording.
Paul tells us to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord, so thess. Says the dead in Christ will rise and we who are alive and remaining will be caught up with them….something isn’t right,if the dead are already in heaven how will they be caught up?
What about the 1000 yr reign? Did it occur as well.
Yeah, you're describing the end of the world, when we all face the beama seat of Christ and the great white throne judgment. Totally different than Christ's initial second coming, not the end of the world.
Christ has not returned yet, but will soon.
By when will it be too late for it to happen soon? Or if the word soon is meaningless, why use it?
Both Malachi and Ezekiel were heroes of the faith.
Chapter 3 of Malachi and 44 of Ezekiel paint a picture of what it will be like when our Messiah returns.
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Chapter 3 of Malachi and 44 of Ezekiel paint a picture of what it will be like when our Messiah returns.
@@qw2ps4 What did previous generations apparently get wrong that you're apparently getting right, about Chapter 3 of Malachi and 44 of Ezekiel?
Read Revelation. We are living in the short season!!!!
Meaning what exactly?
No.who is revelation written to? Rev.1: 9 .also john said he was in the tribulation with them when he was writing revelation.
These people who say that Christ has already returned, should quit having the Lord’s supper, for it is said that in this we , show the Lord’s debt till he comes.
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In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Paul is trying to comfort believers who have lost loved ones in death. And the way he encourages them is not by pointing to the fact that there’s going to be a sack of Jerusalem someday. His way of encouraging them is by showing that those who have died will not miss out on the coming of Christ because they’re going to be raised from the dead, so that, together with the living, they will meet the Lord in the air. He says,
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.
I always wondered about this theory as well since all the churches from revelations are all in ruin.
You have to go back to the book of Daniel to show her that When Christ returns the second time, all pain and suffering is gone from the earth. Has that occurred? No.
What verse?? Tell me please I need to tell others
@@AL-uk5vk Read Isaiah 11 about the millennial reign
Where's the verse?
@BB93 BB93 when christ returns, then the pain and suffering is gone from the world. Google my statement to look up the verses. If you don't know what I am saying us in the bible. Look up the important things I say for yourself . I generally paraphrase so look up what I say yourself
There is no verse in Daniel
If there was a loud trumpet when Christ rose, then why didn't more people hear it?? Don't you think this is probably a metaphor??
Well this video completely dropped the ball on answering the question. Darn. Jesus told his people he was coming soon- he didn’t sound like it would be thousands of years. The real question is are we now living in the time when Satan is released for a little while before the new heaven and earth are made. (Clear diction is nice, it it doesn’t strengthen the argument.)
How could Jesus possibly say that he would return thousands of years later if he didn't know when he would return? And if God's will is that we live our lives as if Jesus could return at any moment then surely saying it would take thousands of years would be self-defeating, would it not? Jesus gave us three parables in a row that indicate that he would not return "soon", but after "a long time". Such a long time in fact that _everyone_ would turn drowsy and fall asleep. Doesn't that count?
Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 that some will be alive and remain when Jesus comes back. Jesus said it himself. Some He talked to would be alive and see His second coming woth his Kingdom.
One question. Because of this will I be able to see my deceased grandmother?
Paul was talking to them and preparing them. They didn’t miss out. They would have reunion in the heavenly Jerusalem. Check out the Historian Josephus.
Yes..when Peter did not recognize the Lord, but John did. Jesus came by being born, then he returned after as ending to the Father. The second coming
I had a rapture dream, on 16/3/2020 where I was running towards my decease brother we both bumped into each other and feel flat on our faces and a bird flew pass my head and with its claws grabbed onto my soul from the top of my skull and lifted up my soul swirling into the clouds.
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The only way for a futurist to continue to get your money is if nothing has happened yet:) You all can look around in the world and see that something is amiss. Then you go to church on sunday and your pastor says nothings happening. Don't worry, and don't forget to tithe.
Watch this year. Then you will have the answer in which you seek.
It’s weird because all the verses used to defend the “orthodox” seem to discredit it. Paid religious professionals?
Preterism is the best explanation of Matt 24 , Luk 21 Mark 13..
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22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
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All will be made alive.
Christ was first.
Those who belong to Christ will be raised unto eternal life at His coming.
Later (when Death is destroyed), the rest will be raised and judged.
Then, there's the lake of fire/second death.
That was the coming for Judah. He returns for the house of israel in the 3rd day. Hosea 6:2-3.
The book of 2nd Esdras is the key to unlocking "when" we are on the prophetic timeline. It confirms Partial Preterism. The wings in chapter 11 are president of the USA. We are living in the final few years of the Short Season.
Analysis, proofs, dates, and timelines at my YT channel.
It's right there in the first verse of Revelation 1:1
It has to happen SOON not two thousand years or three thousand years later.
Spin that for me.
If Yeshua (Jesus) already returned, why are we still here? Why there is still pain, suffering, evil, and more?
Because fighting evil / devil is not easy and God promise to all his children he would not drown his all his kids " the rainbow" ...the whole world need to chose thats why he gave us our own minds to decide..he wants to see if his kids will obey him
God created good and evil, light and darkness. Jesus defeated sin, but there's still evil. Those who didn't make it to heavenly Jerusalem (were left on earth) were dogs, liars, sorcerers, etc, Joel 2:2 armies after day of the Lord
@@tanuz_tanuz2329 or those that didnt born yet, or ?
Read the time statements when Jesus said He would return .eg mathew 16 v 28. Luke 12 v 40 talking to his deciles. And many more scriptures
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Yes he did return just as he told everyone he would.
It’s unfortunate that you focus on an unseen moment. I think the main preterist argument is that the enemy has been let loose and we’re living in an age of deception.
To be clear I’m not a preterist. I have been looking for good arguments on the topic though.
Some say all has fulfilled while me we are living in a very short period of time
This argument means nothing. He ignores the short season.
I don't think his answer was conclusive enough
I think John has conflated events on the timeline, and so assumes the church in question thinks those events happen rdtogether too, and so he's not responding to what that church actually believes. John is responding to why his understanding of the events can't have happened yet. Heresay questions make bad discussions.
Futurist view is NEW, past was always the way until John Darby
To claim it’s hardly been the way is a lie
I find it funny when people who claim to know the word of god, say we haven’t got glorified bodies so he couldn’t have come back
Point 1. Why do people read the Bible and see the word YOU, and automatically take it to mean them ?
Galatians, Philippians, Thessalonians etc these books say you…but the clue is in the book title - he’s talking to THEM, THEN
Exactly as Yeshua said THAT GENERATION
Exactly as Tevelation says to the churches - SOON
There must be 6-8 times in the New Testament it says THIS GENERATION
Yeshua returned in 70AD
The martyrs were raised - those that were killed during the TRIBULATION under Nero, whose persecution of Christians ended after 42 months when he committed suicide
Then followed the wrath - the seals were opened - Josephus wrote about the chariots and armies IN THE CLOUDS
He wrote about it because EVERYBODY SAW IT
Yeshua raised the martyrs and those that survived, FLED TO THE HILLS as Yeshua told them, were given glorified bodies and reigned with Yeshua for 1000 yrs as he said
Satan was bound and now he has been released - Rev 20:7
His goal is to deceive the world - changing times and laws
Hiding history
The magnificent awesome cathedrals were built during this period and guess who acquired them after the reign…?
Yep, the FREEMASONS - now you know how they got their name
We don’t have glorified bodies, we await gog & Magog battle, then the final judgement and earths destruction and a new creation where those saved will live forever
The Bible is clear - YOU just think it’s about YOU, it’s not, it’s for us
If Christ hasnt already returned, then how does a person get "christ in you is the hope of glory". What exactly are people looking for? Christ is not a person. Christ becomes flesh when the word is formed in you.
The problem with that conclusion is that Christ was already "in us" before 70 AD. What people are looking for is what scripture told us we would see - Jesus returning in the way he left - i.e. visibly.
@@paulbrennan4163 How can we if he was only in human flesh temporarily? The christ has already returned and just like it wasn't recognized in the 1st century, it has been missed by most this time as well. Hes right under everyone's nose and they dont even know it because they are looking for a fantasy created by false teachers. The same exact thing that happened in the 1st century.
@@RoseSharon7777 How we could see him visibly? How could Jesus' disciples have seen him after he was resurrected? He had a resurrection body that could obviously be both visible or invisible, a body in which he _could_ have kept us from recognizing him, but what did he say? He _explicitly_ told us was that his return would be visible. That fact alone shows who the false teachers are: those whose teaching contradicts scripture.
Notice also that it isn't merely born again christians in whom Jesus lived that would see him, but rather everyone - _both good and evil_ - including "those who pierced him." And so who was most responsible for Jesus's death? It was Caiaphas, the pharasees and the scribes, before whom he said: "you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
So did Caiaphas witness the destruction of Jerusalem?
No he didn't! He died in 36 AD!
Obviously, Jesus second coming will coincide with the resurrection of both the living and the dead.
And does the vision that Josephus reported where people saw a battle in the heavens correspond to what Jesus said about his coming in the clouds? No it doesn't! Not only did Jesus say that everyone would see _him,_ rather than just a war, this vision was seen _before_ the destruction of Jerusalem whereas in Jesus accounts it comes _after_ the city and the temple are destroyed. It just doesn't add up!
The only thing that makes sense - and that also can be solidly supported with scripture - is that 70 AD was merely a partial fulfillment of prophecy. It was a precursor of something much greater that is to occur at the end of time largely involving the gentiles. Remember, according to the Apostle Paul the wrath of God was coming "first for the Jew, THEN FOR THE GENTILE". That is still coming whether we like it or not.
I think John has conflated events on the timeline, and so assumes the church in question thinks those events happen together too, and so he's not responding to what that church actually believes. John is responding to why his understanding of the events can't have happened yet. Heresay questions make bad discussions.
Why would a church teach this? Then what do they think is going to happen? Just a slow decline into chaos and death with no hope? Why teach a kid that? Do they think the Earth is Hell or something? That kind of teaching just leads to hopelessness and suicide.
Thats whats probably going to happen and we shouldnt bring more Children into this dying World.
I hope knowing this prevents more suffering.
@@VoDitas I don't think all of us are going to be left on a dying hell planet. I still have hope that some are taken away from this. I know one day God will destroy but remake Earth. I don't think we should have such a nihilistic view of things. There are things we can do to improve the lives we do have now. Some care more about recycling or animal rescue than they do other people. I am not talking about all the goodie two shoes things people do to reduce their carbon foot print and all that. Yeah, plant a garden, keep bees, plant flowers. That is great. I love the beauty of it all. No sense living in a junk yard if you can beautify the place. There is no reason an animal should suffer if you can help. But then there are people that need help. It is important to help one another, but here are things we can not do alone and I still believe in God and that he is very interested in and involved in this Earth still. It is just that so many are getting in the way of what he wants to do. He can do anything by himself but it is a blessing to be working with him and for him to get good things done. I don't think we should teach to just give up because evil doesn't rest and evil doesn't give up.
@@jessiegrider529 Improving Lives is good, bringing more lives into this Hellish world is bad.
He's already come