Its good but not as good as Bob Holly. Bob constantly got good height and rotation, and when he'd do it it would look so stiff. He made The Dropkick a convincing Signature. Okada's is pretty and nice Hardcore Holly's is devastating. He springs up, kicks you dead in the face or neck and backflips over on his stomach. A man that size shouldn't be able to do those things.
Kenny Omega vs. Okada was overblown it was a good match with nowhere near as great as it was built up to be. Some of the matches that are better. Rock vs Austin WrestleMania 17 Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker WrestleMania 25 Rock vs Austin Wrestlemania 19 Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart WrestleMania 12 The Flair and Steamboat matches Jericho vs Omega Macho Man vs Steamboat WrestleMania 3 And a bunch more
I love how Jim is bitching about Kenny Omega “exposing the business” but Vince McMahon was the one that sat in front of the New Jersey senate and testified under oath that wrestling was a work just so he didn’t have to deal with athletic commissions. And Jim had no problem working with him
I think it's a stretch to say Jim had "no problem with" working for McMahon; more like he was "able to swallow his tongue for a few years" before getting himself fired.
He bitches about Omega exposing the business as he literally has been doing shoot interviews for the better part of 2 decades, the hypocrisy on Jim's part is amazing.
4:50 "There has never been a perfect pro wrestling match because that would be a match that is exciting, that drew money, that tore the house down, that got both guys over and showed no obvious cooperation between the two guys in anything to reveal that it was a work." Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker at WM25 fits that description perfectly.
@@jacailou8604yea but at the same time it did have obvious cooperation so it can’t be classified as the perfect match. Like Jim said there is no perfect match to ever happened
Zach Johnson its because there are no rules in wrestling anymore beside a 10 or 20 count out but sometimes thats not even a thing anymore. but i agree with you
I love Cornnete but Jim nitpicks who fits the category of who exposes business or not. When Randy Orton trolled the one dude from NXT about "Thigh-slapping class" Cornette's like well everyone knows you slap your thigh when you kick. How's that not exposing the business? There's a good chunk of people who legit don't know or see the thigh slap shit, but because he likes him it's okay.
@@randomguy4781 something Cornette takes credit for. Hes such a clown. I don't even think he knows his own opinions anymore, hes just a hate clickbaiter.
Honestly, the biggest problem with some of the matches today is that they're not believable. Someone damn near murders someone with a move and it's not the pin. Come on.
Jeffrey Riley You're right. What is believable is a reanimated Undertaker who's impervious to pain that's covered in tattoos being summoned to wrestle.
@@guyincognito5706 that's a gimmicks and the fact the undertaker worked is amazing end of itself. Also the tombstone piledriver looks like it can kill somebody.
The point no one seems to get that Corny and all the wrestlers want is PEOPLE TO TREAT THE MATCHES LIKE IT IS AN ATHLETIC CONTEST THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN AND THEY HATE EACH OTHER That is what is missing from current matches. Spotfests do not look like a fight it looks like gymnastics. Which is what it basically is knowadays in WWE. You are watching gymnastics in a wrestling ring
Nate Emond you're totally right. It's meant to look like a fight and should be rough around the edges and not look like a well rehearsed choreographed act. My favourite match was Bret vs Austin at WM13 no flips no ridiculous high spots it just looked like two guys trying beat the hell out of each other and great story telling. That to me is a 5* match and what a wrestling match is supposed to look like.
NJPW is much more believable than anything WWE has been doing for years now. Everything looks stiff, and i lose myself in a lot of their great matches. Watch the newest omega okada 2 match. I dont understand how anyone can criticize these matches for not being believable. ROH ya i get your point but not New Japan that makes zero sense to me
Nate Emond Okay? lmao so what? It reels in money and it's what wrestling is nowadays. Your opinion isn't gonna magically change the way people wrestle so deal with it or just stop watching wrestling lol
Take almost any line of business or game, and you quickly realize you don't win by just trying to force a win. You make the BEST DECISIONS YOU CAN, which hopefully lead you to a win. GOOD DECISIONS lead to money/wins through perseverence and hard work. Competition is more able and fierce than ever, and wrestling should portray this as well. Now how does this relate to matches? I think we are seeing more and more of this mindset in the wrestlers themselves, and the psychology of how they build a MATCH, therefore a STORY, to pull more and more people into a SHOW. There are so many alternatives if you want to watch fights, or people acting fighting, even within the wrestling spectrum. But you cannot deny the effect dropping focus on realism has had on fans AND on workers and their excitement over the business of wrestling. The tide might turn at some point, of course. I mean, nobody's talking about wrestling booms anymore, since wrestling has just gotten big, and I think it's gonna stay that way globally.
@@okcmidtownrotary4135 I love NJPW but I would argue against the Okada V Omega series mostly because Kenny really doesn't do much in the ring beside his usual move set he never tries to mix it up and I felt that Okada was really carrying the match. While Kenny is just spamming the V trigger. Which that really all he did in his title defense against Ishii.
Cornette doesn't have a problem with Kenny or Okada he has a problem with time passing. Yeah all the matches today are spotfests. all the guys today look the same (skinny 180lbs, intense, crazy eyes). the 80s pro wrestling is over. kayfabe is gone. the business got exposed long before Kenny Omega was born.
@WORLD WRESTLING 3:16 And Dave is a complete degenerate. Guy looks like he's a member of NAMBLA or something. Get a real job Dave. Pro wrestling is dead and you need a career in a real industry.
@@kelsonlopez1583 pro wrestling is doing fine, thanks.if you don't wanna watch it,fuck off.dont gi around proclaiming pri wrestling is dead like a pretentious douche
To be fair, One of Jim Cornette's favorite people is Al Snow, and Al famously had a hardcore match with himself and he had his mannequin head as his Tag Team partner
I dare you to find a clip of Jim being confronted by that fact and not end up knocking the gimmick, he loves Al but I’d bet every penny I have that he hated that gimmick.
Zach Johnson and we know tv shows and films aren’t real. But they don’t insult us during the show or film by doing dumbass stuff. If there was a scene in a film and it was an intense high stakes film, then the characters stopped selling and doing over the top OBVIOUSLY fake it takes you out of the moment and you shut off and don’t take the rest seriously. So in wrestling they wrestle blow dolls, don’t sell moves that should hurt and start doing nonsensical moves for the sake of it, it takes you out of the moment and the night is ruined. When you se a magic show you know they aren’t sawing the woman in half but if they don’t sell it as dangerous it doesn’t come across well does it?
Wasn't around in the 70's but didn't people know wrestling was fake... since the beginning? Even in the 20's, during the height, you had books being written about the business being staged. Wouldn't you be kinda slow to think the wrestlers were actually deliberately hurting each other in these fights?
The Pondering I think that's where I say "find a promotion that does stuff you enjoy." Kenny's doing what fits his promotion. If you're not doing that instead of railing a guy for doing something ages ago, you're yelling at clouds.
@@jaylenmark3895 No. He's trying to be a smart ass by saying without saying (because he wanted folks to catch on) "By Cornette's logic, Taker Vs. Mankind is not believable". It's stupid, but that's what he meant.
@Charming Billy Exactly. Had Mankind not got medical attention, I could see it "not being believable", but he did. The comparison he made is inaccurate
I like Cornette sometimes but what annoys me about him is he will start a review of a match by saying “he wrestled a blow up doll before that’s dumb!” Which has nothing to fucking do with whether or not the performance he gave in the match we are currently talking about was good or not. He clearly is already entering into it preparing to hate any single move he makes regardless of anything. If it ends in a pin he’d say it should end in a count out. If it ended in a count out he’d say it should end in a pin. It’s not about being objective, it’s about saying whatever he has done is bad and wrong regardless of anything else. He is prepared to hate him and hate the match before even seeing it.
Okada is the greatest wrestler I have ever seen. His matches are a slow burn that build into a beautiful crescendo that always delivers the most edge of your seat final 60 seconds you will ever see in a wrestling match.
@@abunchofflipsaintwrestling7008 See those 3 little dots to the right of your comments? You can also delete your botched comment too! And I agree that OP is a fucking idiot. He was probably front row clapping for that match with the 9 year old girl....
And that is why I have a problem with Jim Cornette as a human being. Did Omega do stupid shit to get his name out there? Yes. Has the wrestling business gotten harder thanks to social media exposing the "real world" of professional wrestling? Yes. But has Kenny Omega moved further away from the "crimes" Jim Cornette has charged him with? Yes. Yes, I admit, Omega can be a bit too animated and has weird facial expressions and it's not always for me, but he did what he did to get name recognition into the world. Now that he wrestles a bit more serious and tries to have good matches with virtually anyone, Jim still wishes death upon him. Kenny Omega could shave his head, stop shaking like the Ultimate Warrior, quit the pointing hands and be like John Cena and Cornette would still hate him because in Jim's world, "it doesn't matter what he does now, it's what hes done in the past." Theres no road to redemption in Cornettes world. And it's really sad.
Honestly, how does Cornette think people should sell to "simulate combat"? Because I watch MMA all the time and see guys get hit in the face and not react. Eventually they'll get knocked out with one huge blow but they can be cut wide open and gushing blood from punch after punch landing to them and you'd never tell by their reaction.
Because this is wrestling and what "sells" a punch in MMA is the bruises, blood, etc. You hardly get any of that with worked punches so that's why they have to pretend to be hurt.
....and Jim is old as fossils and hates all modern wrestling. To him, wrestling should be the way he remembered it. Anything new is garbage... Even though that's simple progression to the future. Stuff changes man 😬
Normally I like listening to Cornette, but when he talks about Omega, "flippy shit", and other things, he just comes off sounding like a bitter old man whose pissed that the world has moved on from what he knew. Things change.
It could just be you don't like what is it he is saying which is fine your entitled to your opinion. But I do feel as well that Omega is too spotty and there is too many false finishes in his matches actually my biggest problem with Kenny is his matches are very reptitive and I think we can look at his matches and agree on that for the least that and his facial expressions are just bad not like Gargano where Gargano can only put 2 expressions but like Cornette said Kenny's are just goofy. And he overacts too much.
Lawler doesnt get the credit he deserves for how much of a great wrestler he was as it was before the WWF. The empty arena match with Funk is mind-blowing. I thought empty arena matches were a joke and made wrestling look ridiculous and so fake, being a 90s fan. But the Funk Lawler match does actually seem real. Its absolutely fantastic. Strongly, strongly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it.
Meltzer didn't like DIY vs The Revival because it was an NXT match and not in Japan. If those matches were on AEW or in Japan he would have given them 7 stars.
Jim Cornette's opinions drive me fucking nuts but I can't stop listening to this guy talk. Sometimes its just so fun to hear a guy rant about something hes passionate about. His passion rubs off, even if I don't like what he says most of the time.
Cornette's one of the "old school" guys who mentored the actual guys who really exposed the business. So when Kenny,the Bucks, Seth, the Hardys, Kofi etc. grow up watching the Cliq,NWO,DX and of course Vince Mcmahon (all people who were trained and mentored by guys like Cornette or Cornette himself) WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN!! Kenny's generation didn't destroy kayfabe.......you guys did. And then the newer generation had to re-shape pro-wrestling and kill themselves cuz the guys two generations before them ruined the business and MADE SURE that any generation after them would know the business. It's all different and if you miss the good ol days....look in the mirror cuz it's your protoges who fucked it up.
On what planet has Cornette not always been hyper critical of Vince McMahon. Let alone guys like HBK and Nash? I can understand disagreeing with Cornette or not liking what he says, but facts are still facts.
How can you expose the business when it's been exposed for decades? It's hilarious how Jim gives himself a heart attack over Omega yet he was perfectly fine being paid to be one of McMahon's many yes men despite the fact McMahon came out publicly about wrestling decades ago. Also what about Eddy Mansfield... I've yet to find a clip or snippet of cornette shitting himself when discussing Mansfield.
OMG I WAS JUST THINKING THIS lolol he is literally in a documentary talking about who exposed the business then complains about new ppl exposing it .... then jim was talking about them not throwing punches and throwing forearms YOU MEAN THE JAPANESE STYLE lol tf is he talking about? His blind hatred for Kenny omega is INSANE.
So... Jim hates Omega because he was in a comedy promotion doing comedy, wrestled a trainy in a house show that never aired, and because he legit broke his ankle and accepted a match of the year award in Japan (where he lived at the time anyway)... hmm. OK.
I love that most of Cornette's "5 star matches" he listed came from the 1980's & said Jerry Lawler vs Dutch Mantell was better than Omega vs Okada lol can't make this shit up. This dude is so out of touch.
Cornette's not wrong, but people also enjoy the athleticism. I see where both sides are coming from. I absolutely agree something like a full nelson suplex off the top should be a finish, though. You devalue pretty much everything when you have these insanely long matches with constant moves that should be a finish.
I’m right there with you. I’m all for respecting the basics, the business, and not overdoing it, but these guys are/were doing some crazy shit! It’s hard *NOT* to appreciate what they’re doing, purely on an aesthetic level. I love Cornette, but he’s also a bit before my time. Ideally, I think pro wrestling should be a mixture of the old-school mentality and the sort of intelligent fight choreography one might see in a tamer 70’s/80’s Hong Kong movie. I want to be entertained, I want a story, sometimes I want larger-than-life theatrics, I just don’t want most of it to veer too far off from this side of reality.
@@allamaraine8066 It should most certainly be a nice blend of old and new school philosophy. The problem is people are terrible at balancing that and it's ALWAYS one at the expense of the other it seems lol.
Doesn't mean you have to embarrass the business by doing stupid shit like wrestling a 9 years old girl. If the wrestlers don't respect the wrestling world...who's gonna do it? I don't know you, but if you had a minimum of love for wrestling, you would understand the point that Jim is trying to make for years now. Just look at Kenny on AEW...it just proves that Jim was right all the time even though he has no filter in his speech.
I find funny that Brian said that Dave Meltzer hasn't giving that many matches 5 star cause in the last 4 years he has giving 5 stars to almost 20 matches on AEW
17:54 the only reason 99% of people who know kenny omega did that are from you talking about it. As for "back in our day, he would have never worked again" is bullshit too. In the old days, if you exposed a territory of did something stupid, you simply went to another territory and started over. Wrestlers going from mid south to WWf, appearing with a fake name and a stupid gimmick exposed the business as much as anything. Triple H and Kevin nash in WCW had multiple gimmicks in the same fucking promotion with different names. Anyone who watched AWA or WCW knew Razor Ramon was big diamond stud scott hall, so he had to be just putting on a fake worked act. That exposed the business. Fact is, the internet used to not exist. So when someone went to Japan and did something unusual, nobody in the states knew about it. Cornette is so wrong on the subject of Kenny Omega it is embarrassing
Find it hilarious how you're trying to explain how the wrestling business works when you've had 0 years experience and jim's had over 30. Nice going dumbo.
@@Heywood3 it's funny when you don't have anything else to refute so you bring up argument from authority.yeah 'dumbo' really sound argument right therem
It's amazing that Cornette calls Tiger Mask vs The Dynamite Kid a 5 star match, yet craps on modern wrestlers that the do "flippy doos". Like brah... They did the flippy doos in those matched too! Am I saying that there aren't times where there's too many spots and not enough action in the ring? No. But to say that's all there is nowadays is asinine!
Uh the difference is the match still felt like a contest and that match was literally in the 80s where you never see any matches like it during those times. Also the chain wrestling is like the best ever in that match.
Corny mentioned that one, around the 7:40 mark, when he's listing off what he believes to be 5 star matches. The "I Quit" match in '97 was the submission match at Mania. And it was an excellent match at that.
@@worldoffizz Everyone mentions the Austin vs Bret Hart match at Wrestlemania 13 but I really like the match they had before at Survivor Series 96. It never gets mentioned and its super underrated imo.
No, he gave the match props for making him pop, but it went too long & he hates Omega, so he had to rage at it after giving a few moments their due credit
Yes, he had a match with a blow-up doll. Yes, he had a match with a little girl. And those matches were better than most main event matches nowadays on WWE.
@Joey G the difference being one company forces wrestlers to be someone they dont want to. The hands in pockets guy gets bigger pops weekly than Mr. Burn My Career Down Cuz I Have A Thin Skin And Cant Stay Of Twitter guy
Turns out Cornette's story about Omega lying to work in Japan is total BS. Kenny had a messed up ankle and couldn't go. He did show up to accept an award that weekend. He didn't wrestle.
I wish Cornetto (for in ring booking) and Russo (for story and character) would go back to TNA. Or just Russo. Or anyone who knows how to write a TV show. Anyone who thinks the indie style is good should be immediately fired. Anyone who suggests a 15 minute match thats not linked to any angle, storyline or character work should be immediately fired. Anyone who suggests a match over 25 on tv that isnt a long term storyline blow off should be sued for harming the company.
Long matches are BORING. If you like them, you are the niche that is too small to be worth chasing. They need to get casual fans watching again and you do that by building characters, having worthwhile storylines and fun and interesting angles. Anyone woke who worries about offending people should be immediately fired. No risk of offence leads to a BORING PRODUCT
Kenny worked a Japanese show the same week as Final Battle 2009 and pretended to have an injury? *Looks at Cagematch* Nope, wrong. Kenny worked Final Battle and his next date was 12/27. The following week Jim doesn't know punches aren't done in Japan?
Imagine a Wrestlemania championship main event ending in a countout like Jim wanted this one to. Wait, did he shit all over the Miz/Cena Mania 28 match that DID end in a countout before Host Rock restarted it?
Cornette's assessment of Omega is spot-on. Great athlete whose also an annoying fucking goof. Did sound like a hilariously grouchy old bastard talking about video games. People will say "Oh, Cornette is stuck in the past." But his criticism of the match was pretty fair. It was long. There was a shit ton of big moves that got kicked out of. Lot of cooperation that was obvious. The cringe-inducing Dragon Superplex didn't look like two guys fighting. The backdrop through the table was probably the most impressive spot. Really looked like a brutal wipeout. Match didn't really pick up till the end. Lot of rehashed shit from earlier Omega and Okada matches. Nothing too wild or crazy there. Probably not even a top 10(or 20) NJPW match. 6 stars because Meltzer is a open NJPW mark. If this was 6 stars, then those insane NXT matches with The Revival, DIY, and AOP were 7.
hey12358y I agree. Corny's got his issues, but he was fair on this match, I thought. I watched the match before listening to what Corny said and I was thinking pretty much what he said. The thing it, I was very entertained by the match, & it is certainly worthy of praise for what it is...a display of wrestling moves. That's fine, just don't call it a "6 Star Match" because I'm sorry, it's not. Some people will just have a totally different view of what pro wrestling is. For me, I love the psychology & the technical precision. Others love crazy spots, that's fine too. Personally, the ROH match & the Tanahashi/Naito matches were superior in terms of "pro wrestling."
Adam Cole vs Johnny gargano NXT takeover ny, 2 outta 3 falls match, especially how gargano turned the crowd after just about everyone there was for Cole👍🏾👍🏾
Outside of Solo Sikoa and “the Samoan spike,” Okada’s “Rainmaker” finisher has to be the worst finisher ever. It’s a friggin lariat! And I get comments about the setup to the damn clothes line. Well Rhea Ripley uses that same setup for a head butt, a drop kick, and a super kick and none of those are her finishers
This is still Jim's closest thing to a compliment! Also, his spotfest argument or overselling argument is weightless. He likes this match and I think he would of gave it 4.5/5 .
I do like New Japan, but there are too many high spots where people kicking out of spots / devastating finishers that anywhere else would be 'match enders'.
People are such crybabies. Jim Cornette is a wrestling history guy, he has great wealth of knowledge and plenty of experience in the business... But he's also a man in his 60s who grew up in the days when wrestling was treated with a LOT more respect, and he saw things change. It's a guy with opinions, and they're based on him living through something most of his listeners are decades removed from. Stop crying about it, you don't have to agree with him. He doesn't need a bunch of 12 year olds on the internet who only like wrestling from Japan to agree with him. And it doesn't change the fact, all opinions are valid and informed by individual experiences. If you disagree that much, start your own wrestling podcast and see how much YOU have to say before you run out of things to talk about.
the “booking in japan” was some type of ceremony he didnt have to wrestle with at all and nowadays roh would suck his taint to get him on a card. one of the biggest stars in thw world baby get over it
Jim: The whole match looked too cooperative. 90% OF ALL WRESTLING LOOKS COOPERATIVE CORNETTE! JESUS, who would lay on the ground while you play to the crowd, climb the ropes, and leap from them with an elbow drop? Who would let you place them atop a turnbuckle, drape their arm over you and body drop them from the top rope? Then Jim bitches about the punches. Who cares about the punches?! I want to see the story unfold, the moves and athleticism. Jim, stop with the stasis and time freeze man...the 80's are gone. YOUR BOYS exposed and ruined the old business. These guys are just trying to do what they love in the new landscape.
Kenny was every bit a part of that feud as Okada was, they are both great individually and they were magic when they opposed one another. Give credit where credit is due.
When u go watch a movie, I doubt youd like to see green screens popping up or bloopers being left in. You go in knowing it's fake wanting to believe/ invest yourself. Yes everyone knows it's fake. We can all be reminded after. While it's going on, the point is to make you believe it's real. Now I don't agree with everything he says but I do side with him that it should be treated and presented as real just like a movie presents you a product that wants you to believe it's real and invest yourself with the characters and action.
I'd like Jim to see more of NJPW some day and see what he thinks. Obviously he probably won't like the entire fighting spirit stuff at first, but if he can give it the understanding that he does for Lucha he might really enjoy it.
I love Cornette but goddamn dude this isn't the 1980's. He has one of the best wrestling minds in the business but times change. This match is great for modern times. Better than ANY MATCH the WWE has put out in 10 years.
Tell me why meltzers giving 5 stars to riccochet and osprey doing front flips in unison like fucking dancers how is that a fight it’s Olympic gymnastics I like riccocet but cut the fucking flips
What's hard to tell if you got a match on the other side of the globe,Kenny is in the Indy scene and of course the people or the promotion would understand that. So why lie to them?
My takeaway: Even Jim Cornette likes Okada's dropkick.
Well it does look great
Its good but not as good as Bob Holly. Bob constantly got good height and rotation, and when he'd do it it would look so stiff. He made The Dropkick a convincing Signature.
Okada's is pretty and nice
Hardcore Holly's is devastating. He springs up, kicks you dead in the face or neck and backflips over on his stomach. A man that size shouldn't be able to do those things.
Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero at Halloween Havoc ‘97 was 5 stars to me.
Kenny Omega vs. Okada was overblown it was a good match with nowhere near as great as it was built up to be.
Some of the matches that are better.
Rock vs Austin WrestleMania 17
Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker WrestleMania 25
Rock vs Austin Wrestlemania 19
Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart WrestleMania 12
The Flair and Steamboat matches
Jericho vs Omega
Macho Man vs Steamboat WrestleMania 3
And a bunch more
@@Keepscooterr Don't forget Angle vs Benoit, Royal Rumble 2003, that's years ahead of anything done this decade.
@rudy2fat this best of 7 series is what made Booker as a single. God it was awesome. I think I need to seek those out and watch again.
Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho feud matches always were 5 stars to me 👍
Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle WM21, outstanding merger of pro and Olympic wrestling
I'm a Cornette fan and a big fan of old school, grew up with it, but the Okada matches were outstanding.
OKADA IS RANKED #1 WRESTLERS IN THE WORLD!!! VOTED BY PRO WRESTLER MAZ.
@Steve-O Jones What are your favorite matches?
@@dawson6196 Roman Reigns vs Triple H wrestlemania 32
@@Cnut_the_grape lol really?
@@Cnut_the_grape really?
I love how Jim is bitching about Kenny Omega “exposing the business” but Vince McMahon was the one that sat in front of the New Jersey senate and testified under oath that wrestling was a work just so he didn’t have to deal with athletic commissions. And Jim had no problem working with him
Not to mention Vince wrestled God.
Exactly.
Oh he has an even bigger promo about that
I think it's a stretch to say Jim had "no problem with" working for McMahon; more like he was "able to swallow his tongue for a few years" before getting himself fired.
He bitches about Omega exposing the business as he literally has been doing shoot interviews for the better part of 2 decades, the hypocrisy on Jim's part is amazing.
4:50
"There has never been a perfect pro wrestling match because that would be a match that is exciting, that drew money, that tore the house down, that got both guys over and showed no obvious cooperation between the two guys in anything to reveal that it was a work."
Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker at WM25 fits that description perfectly.
walter vs ilja
@@sh1nighami did not draw much money
@Chuck Buskee True, but nitpicking a fantastic match shows how good that match was.
@@jacailou8604yea but at the same time it did have obvious cooperation so it can’t be classified as the perfect match. Like Jim said there is no perfect match to ever happened
Every match shows cooperation if you actively look for it and know what to look for
I love Omega, but this: 17:38-19:31 is fucking funny
Aren't closed fists supposed to be illegal in pro-wrestling? Why does Cornette want them to throw fists instead of forearms?
Zach Johnson its because there are no rules in wrestling anymore beside a 10 or 20 count out but sometimes thats not even a thing anymore. but i agree with you
Zach Johnson fist are illegal in njpw. They have to do forearms
Cuz he hates omega and wants him to fucking die. He literally hates omega so much that whatever omega does jim hates it.
Very good point
Fists make it seem more like an intense personal fight. Forearms make it seem like an athletic contest. He likes fights
If I had a nickel for every time Cornette says that someone "exposed the business", I'd be a rich man.
Jim... it's been exposed for 30 years.
I love Cornnete but Jim nitpicks who fits the category of who exposes business or not. When Randy Orton trolled the one dude from NXT about "Thigh-slapping class" Cornette's like well everyone knows you slap your thigh when you kick. How's that not exposing the business? There's a good chunk of people who legit don't know or see the thigh slap shit, but because he likes him it's okay.
it's been exposed since HBK robbed Bret Hart of the title
@@sirkevstah289 he agreed with Randy and it was Tomaso Ciampa
Meanwhile he had no problem working with Vince McMahon who actually testified that wrestling was a work during the 80's steroid trials
@@randomguy4781 something Cornette takes credit for. Hes such a clown. I don't even think he knows his own opinions anymore, hes just a hate clickbaiter.
This match changed pro wrestling forever
Jim Cornette vs The Angry Video Game Nerd. Book it Vince.
Reasons?
This. ---> 17:46
Angry video game nerd is a character, where as Jim Cornette is old and senile.
Ill preorder seats to that. Bring it
Jim Cornette's attitude + Brian Zane's look + Kenny Omega's video game obsession = Angry Video Game Nerd
17 minutes and 45 seconds forward is absolutely pure gold.
17:45 for the easy click
Pure Comedy Gold, because he hasn’t caught up with the times
That's when the hatred started to grow exponentially.
omg, going immediately from the beginning to that was so fucking funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, the biggest problem with some of the matches today is that they're not believable. Someone damn near murders someone with a move and it's not the pin. Come on.
That's exactly what I'm saying, bro. It's like constant finishes that aren't finishes (but technically aren't false).
Jeffrey Riley You're right. What is believable is a reanimated Undertaker who's impervious to pain that's covered in tattoos being summoned to wrestle.
@@guyincognito5706 that's a gimmicks and the fact the undertaker worked is amazing end of itself. Also the tombstone piledriver looks like it can kill somebody.
Exactly why I gave up on ROH.
Big finisher moves as regular moves and false finishes in the fucking opener all the way to the Main Event.
@Adolf Hitler Somebody got triggered, "rofl".
The point no one seems to get that Corny and all the wrestlers want is PEOPLE TO TREAT THE MATCHES LIKE IT IS AN ATHLETIC CONTEST THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN AND THEY HATE EACH OTHER That is what is missing from current matches. Spotfests do not look like a fight it looks like gymnastics. Which is what it basically is knowadays in WWE. You are watching gymnastics in a wrestling ring
Nate Emond you're totally right. It's meant to look like a fight and should be rough around the edges and not look like a well rehearsed choreographed act. My favourite match was Bret vs Austin at WM13 no flips no ridiculous high spots it just looked like two guys trying beat the hell out of each other and great story telling. That to me is a 5* match and what a wrestling match is supposed to look like.
NJPW is much more believable than anything WWE has been doing for years now. Everything looks stiff, and i lose myself in a lot of their great matches. Watch the newest omega okada 2 match. I dont understand how anyone can criticize these matches for not being believable. ROH ya i get your point but not New Japan that makes zero sense to me
Nate Emond Okay? lmao so what? It reels in money and it's what wrestling is nowadays. Your opinion isn't gonna magically change the way people wrestle so deal with it or just stop watching wrestling lol
Take almost any line of business or game, and you quickly realize you don't win by just trying to force a win. You make the BEST DECISIONS YOU CAN, which hopefully lead you to a win. GOOD DECISIONS lead to money/wins through perseverence and hard work. Competition is more able and fierce than ever, and wrestling should portray this as well.
Now how does this relate to matches? I think we are seeing more and more of this mindset in the wrestlers themselves, and the psychology of how they build a MATCH, therefore a STORY, to pull more and more people into a SHOW. There are so many alternatives if you want to watch fights, or people acting fighting, even within the wrestling spectrum. But you cannot deny the effect dropping focus on realism has had on fans AND on workers and their excitement over the business of wrestling. The tide might turn at some point, of course.
I mean, nobody's talking about wrestling booms anymore, since wrestling has just gotten big, and I think it's gonna stay that way globally.
@@okcmidtownrotary4135 I love NJPW but I would argue against the Okada V Omega series mostly because Kenny really doesn't do much in the ring beside his usual move set he never tries to mix it up and I felt that Okada was really carrying the match. While Kenny is just spamming the V trigger. Which that really all he did in his title defense against Ishii.
Cornette doesn't have a problem with Kenny or Okada he has a problem with time passing. Yeah all the matches today are spotfests. all the guys today look the same (skinny 180lbs, intense, crazy eyes). the 80s pro wrestling is over. kayfabe is gone. the business got exposed long before Kenny Omega was born.
The business got
exposed back in the 40s as well.
@WORLD WRESTLING 3:16 And Dave is a complete degenerate. Guy looks like he's a member of NAMBLA or something. Get a real job Dave. Pro wrestling is dead and you need a career in a real industry.
@@kelsonlopez1583 pro wrestling is doing fine, thanks.if you don't wanna watch it,fuck off.dont gi around proclaiming pri wrestling is dead like a pretentious douche
To be fair, One of Jim Cornette's favorite people is Al Snow, and Al famously had a hardcore match with himself and he had his mannequin head as his Tag Team partner
Al Snow gets and understands the business
I dare you to find a clip of Jim being confronted by that fact and not end up knocking the gimmick, he loves Al but I’d bet every penny I have that he hated that gimmick.
No cooperation there
I like Jim, but does he realize the business has already been exposed? He talks like it's 1975.
Zach Johnson and we know tv shows and films aren’t real. But they don’t insult us during the show or film by doing dumbass stuff. If there was a scene in a film and it was an intense high stakes film, then the characters stopped selling and doing over the top OBVIOUSLY fake it takes you out of the moment and you shut off and don’t take the rest seriously. So in wrestling they wrestle blow dolls, don’t sell moves that should hurt and start doing nonsensical moves for the sake of it, it takes you out of the moment and the night is ruined. When you se a magic show you know they aren’t sawing the woman in half but if they don’t sell it as dangerous it doesn’t come across well does it?
Wasn't around in the 70's but didn't people know wrestling was fake... since the beginning? Even in the 20's, during the height, you had books being written about the business being staged. Wouldn't you be kinda slow to think the wrestlers were actually deliberately hurting each other in these fights?
U sound so idiotic
sometimes less is more we don't need 500 different flips in one match
The Pondering I think that's where I say "find a promotion that does stuff you enjoy." Kenny's doing what fits his promotion. If you're not doing that instead of railing a guy for doing something ages ago, you're yelling at clouds.
Mankind fell of the cell and the match still went on for 15 more minutes. I wonder if thats believable.
Mick Foley is not a normal human, though. He is literally made of luck and divine intervention.
What are you trying to say? Foley falling off the cage was faked
It is cause FOLEY IS GOD
@@jaylenmark3895 No. He's trying to be a smart ass by saying without saying (because he wanted folks to catch on) "By Cornette's logic, Taker Vs. Mankind is not believable". It's stupid, but that's what he meant.
@Charming Billy Exactly. Had Mankind not got medical attention, I could see it "not being believable", but he did. The comparison he made is inaccurate
I like Cornette sometimes but what annoys me about him is he will start a review of a match by saying “he wrestled a blow up doll before that’s dumb!”
Which has nothing to fucking do with whether or not the performance he gave in the match we are currently talking about was good or not. He clearly is already entering into it preparing to hate any single move he makes regardless of anything.
If it ends in a pin he’d say it should end in a count out.
If it ended in a count out he’d say it should end in a pin.
It’s not about being objective, it’s about saying whatever he has done is bad and wrong regardless of anything else. He is prepared to hate him and hate the match before even seeing it.
Also cornette wrestled a fucking ninja turtle in the 90s
@Charming Billy yea the real ninja turtles would’ve kicked his ass
doesn't change the fact omega is garbage and the match while good was still pretty obnoxious and gay therefore I give it 4/5 stars
Screw this Japanese school girl Kenny omega.. he sucks something fierce
This is how you make a valid criticism of Jim Cornette. How the fuck can no one else in the wrestling community who, unlike you, violently hate him?
Okada is the greatest wrestler I have ever seen. His matches are a slow burn that build into a beautiful crescendo that always delivers the most edge of your seat final 60 seconds you will ever see in a wrestling match.
Him and AJ Styles are definitely the best workers in the last decade or so.
@Charming Billy
I would really like to see your list
When Jim was explaining a perfect match I was like
Yea so Kenny v Okada
Your an idiot
You're an idiot
@@abunchofflipsaintwrestling7008 (psst) you can edit comments to fix typos
@@switchblade6993 Well that happened two months ago so whatever 😂
@@abunchofflipsaintwrestling7008 See those 3 little dots to the right of your comments? You can also delete your botched comment too! And I agree that OP is a fucking idiot. He was probably front row clapping for that match with the 9 year old girl....
And that is why I have a problem with Jim Cornette as a human being.
Did Omega do stupid shit to get his name out there? Yes. Has the wrestling business gotten harder thanks to social media exposing the "real world" of professional wrestling? Yes. But has Kenny Omega moved further away from the "crimes" Jim Cornette has charged him with? Yes.
Yes, I admit, Omega can be a bit too animated and has weird facial expressions and it's not always for me, but he did what he did to get name recognition into the world.
Now that he wrestles a bit more serious and tries to have good matches with virtually anyone, Jim still wishes death upon him. Kenny Omega could shave his head, stop shaking like the Ultimate Warrior, quit the pointing hands and be like John Cena and Cornette would still hate him because in Jim's world, "it doesn't matter what he does now, it's what hes done in the past." Theres no road to redemption in Cornettes world. And it's really sad.
I'm sure Jim is really broken up about you having a problem with him as a human being.
Random person on TH-cam 😂
@@sobbyhasselhoff I'm sure I'm happy that the majority of the wrestling world knows Jim is a closet racist because of his comments in NWA.
@@ckraynor1214 what was racist about his NWA comments?
@@ckraynor1214"closet racist"
You really are stupid.
I liked it. But I like Okada vs Tanahashi matches more cause their matches have more psychology and story.
Honestly, how does Cornette think people should sell to "simulate combat"?
Because I watch MMA all the time and see guys get hit in the face and not react. Eventually they'll get knocked out with one huge blow but they can be cut wide open and gushing blood from punch after punch landing to them and you'd never tell by their reaction.
Because this is wrestling and what "sells" a punch in MMA is the bruises, blood, etc. You hardly get any of that with worked punches so that's why they have to pretend to be hurt.
RandalfElVikingo Exactly
@@RandalfElVikingo perfectly said.
....and Jim is old as fossils and hates all modern wrestling. To him, wrestling should be the way he remembered it. Anything new is garbage... Even though that's simple progression to the future. Stuff changes man 😬
@@Slotten68 Even though he praises NXT which is a show specifically designed to appeal to smark crowds so please try again.
"Old Man Yells At Clouds"
Was thinking just that hahaha
Retarded millenial comment.
@@williamjacobs8105 that joke is 16 years old, idiot boomer.
It was funny when Abraham Simpson was in the newspaper for that. Now, not so much.
@@williamjacobs8105 LMAO ok boomer
I like matches that flow but spot and obvious cooperation matches are getting annoying
Normally I like listening to Cornette, but when he talks about Omega, "flippy shit", and other things, he just comes off sounding like a bitter old man whose pissed that the world has moved on from what he knew. Things change.
It could just be you don't like what is it he is saying which is fine your entitled to your opinion. But I do feel as well that Omega is too spotty and there is too many false finishes in his matches actually my biggest problem with Kenny is his matches are very reptitive and I think we can look at his matches and agree on that for the least that and his facial expressions are just bad not like Gargano where Gargano can only put 2 expressions but like Cornette said Kenny's are just goofy. And he overacts too much.
So you mean Okada vs Shibata was a perfect match? I definitely agree with that.
Yahya Zakaria which part does he talk about ?
I loved that match.
Okada vs Shibata was sensational... it’s outcome is sad though
Lawler doesnt get the credit he deserves for how much of a great wrestler he was as it was before the WWF. The empty arena match with Funk is mind-blowing. I thought empty arena matches were a joke and made wrestling look ridiculous and so fake, being a 90s fan. But the Funk Lawler match does actually seem real. Its absolutely fantastic. Strongly, strongly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it.
Jim is pretty calm these days
Meltzer didn't like DIY vs The Revival because it was an NXT match and not in Japan. If those matches were on AEW or in Japan he would have given them 7 stars.
Jim Cornette's opinions drive me fucking nuts but I can't stop listening to this guy talk. Sometimes its just so fun to hear a guy rant about something hes passionate about. His passion rubs off, even if I don't like what he says most of the time.
Cornette's one of the "old school" guys who mentored the actual guys who really exposed the business. So when Kenny,the Bucks, Seth, the Hardys, Kofi etc. grow up watching the Cliq,NWO,DX and of course Vince Mcmahon (all people who were trained and mentored by guys like Cornette or Cornette himself) WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN!! Kenny's generation didn't destroy kayfabe.......you guys did. And then the newer generation had to re-shape pro-wrestling and kill themselves cuz the guys two generations before them ruined the business and MADE SURE that any generation after them would know the business. It's all different and if you miss the good ol days....look in the mirror cuz it's your protoges who fucked it up.
On what planet has Cornette not always been hyper critical of Vince McMahon. Let alone guys like HBK and Nash?
I can understand disagreeing with Cornette or not liking what he says, but facts are still facts.
@@KnightBoat Cornette never gets angry with Vince McMahon the man. He always makes excuses for Vince
How can you expose the business when it's been exposed for decades? It's hilarious how Jim gives himself a heart attack over Omega yet he was perfectly fine being paid to be one of McMahon's many yes men despite the fact McMahon came out publicly about wrestling decades ago. Also what about Eddy Mansfield... I've yet to find a clip or snippet of cornette shitting himself when discussing Mansfield.
OMG I WAS JUST THINKING THIS lolol he is literally in a documentary talking about who exposed the business then complains about new ppl exposing it .... then jim was talking about them not throwing punches and throwing forearms YOU MEAN THE JAPANESE STYLE lol tf is he talking about? His blind hatred for Kenny omega is INSANE.
Jim was not one of Vince’s yes man. You’re thinking of Bruce Pritchard.
There are couple of videos about Mansfield that Jim talked about.
I agree whole heartedly
Jim has roasted Eddie Mansfield at least 3 different times. They're all on TH-cam if you want to listen to them.
Jim was so passionate before stadium stampede beat it out of him.
So... Jim hates Omega because he was in a comedy promotion doing comedy, wrestled a trainy in a house show that never aired, and because he legit broke his ankle and accepted a match of the year award in Japan (where he lived at the time anyway)... hmm. OK.
Jim wrestled a ninja turtle.
The last 3 minutes or so was comedy gold!
adamu XCII Im crying 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I laughed so hard. Jim was losing his mind. Absolutely hilarious
This was a great match. Okada is a beast.
Even if it's fake, make them think that you're real. I forgot where I heard that
17:45 Fucking awesome!!
Brian Last: Meltzer doesn't give 5 star away as much of anyone else think.
AEW: Hold my stars
I love that most of Cornette's "5 star matches" he listed came from the 1980's & said Jerry Lawler vs Dutch Mantell was better than Omega vs Okada lol can't make this shit up. This dude is so out of touch.
Adolf Hitler I mean that’s not true at all but you can think like that if you want.
There's not liking a wrestler, then there's 17:46
Cornette's not wrong, but people also enjoy the athleticism. I see where both sides are coming from. I absolutely agree something like a full nelson suplex off the top should be a finish, though. You devalue pretty much everything when you have these insanely long matches with constant moves that should be a finish.
I’m right there with you. I’m all for respecting the basics, the business, and not overdoing it, but these guys are/were doing some crazy shit! It’s hard *NOT* to appreciate what they’re doing, purely on an aesthetic level. I love Cornette, but he’s also a bit before my time. Ideally, I think pro wrestling should be a mixture of the old-school mentality and the sort of intelligent fight choreography one might see in a tamer 70’s/80’s Hong Kong movie. I want to be entertained, I want a story, sometimes I want larger-than-life theatrics, I just don’t want most of it to veer too far off from this side of reality.
@@allamaraine8066 It should most certainly be a nice blend of old and new school philosophy. The problem is people are terrible at balancing that and it's ALWAYS one at the expense of the other it seems lol.
Kenny Omega is my Third favorite wrestler of all time🥲
This guy, isn't this the guy that wrassled a Ninja Turtle back in the 90s?
Exposing the already exposed business 🤣🤣🤣
How dare he haha
@@chickennuggets4408 simp
David Cyr simp
@@eljuniorcen2675 ok simp
Doesn't mean you have to embarrass the business by doing stupid shit like wrestling a 9 years old girl. If the wrestlers don't respect the wrestling world...who's gonna do it?
I don't know you, but if you had a minimum of love for wrestling, you would understand the point that Jim is trying to make for years now.
Just look at Kenny on AEW...it just proves that Jim was right all the time even though he has no filter in his speech.
Best rage scream ever
I find funny that Brian said that Dave Meltzer hasn't giving that many matches 5 star cause in the last 4 years he has giving 5 stars to almost 20 matches on AEW
X-Pac was also there to make comments about the match...!
17:54 the only reason 99% of people who know kenny omega did that are from you talking about it. As for "back in our day, he would have never worked again" is bullshit too.
In the old days, if you exposed a territory of did something stupid, you simply went to another territory and started over. Wrestlers going from mid south to WWf, appearing with a fake name and a stupid gimmick exposed the business as much as anything.
Triple H and Kevin nash in WCW had multiple gimmicks in the same fucking promotion with different names.
Anyone who watched AWA or WCW knew Razor Ramon was big diamond stud scott hall, so he had to be just putting on a fake worked act. That exposed the business.
Fact is, the internet used to not exist. So when someone went to Japan and did something unusual, nobody in the states knew about it.
Cornette is so wrong on the subject of Kenny Omega it is embarrassing
Find it hilarious how you're trying to explain how the wrestling business works when you've had 0 years experience and jim's had over 30. Nice going dumbo.
@@Heywood3 it's funny when you don't have anything else to refute so you bring up argument from authority.yeah 'dumbo' really sound argument right therem
It's amazing that Cornette calls Tiger Mask vs The Dynamite Kid a 5 star match, yet craps on modern wrestlers that the do "flippy doos". Like brah... They did the flippy doos in those matched too! Am I saying that there aren't times where there's too many spots and not enough action in the ring? No. But to say that's all there is nowadays is asinine!
Uh the difference is the match still felt like a contest and that match was literally in the 80s where you never see any matches like it during those times. Also the chain wrestling is like the best ever in that match.
Jim is out of touch with this one Kenney and okada was insane
Terrific trilogy but in my opinion the 1989 Flair-Steamboat is head and shoulders above it on every level.
Hmm. Wouldn't Hart vs Austin at WMXIII be considered a perfect match?
No, because it wasn't in Memphis in 1980, apparently.
Corny mentioned that one, around the 7:40 mark, when he's listing off what he believes to be 5 star matches. The "I Quit" match in '97 was the submission match at Mania. And it was an excellent match at that.
@@worldoffizz Everyone mentions the Austin vs Bret Hart match at Wrestlemania 13 but I really like the match they had before at Survivor Series 96. It never gets mentioned and its super underrated imo.
jim invented the star rating system....
Yea but he admits it was never meant to be taken as law like it is now.
The first time he speaks about Omega, also happens to be the nicest. XD
Holy shit the rant at the end was hilarious
Ohh its people copying insiders when they keep making themselves look stupid by saying things "popped them" 🎈💥
Let me guess (i haven't watch the video) he thought the match was shit !!!!!
No, he gave the match props for making him pop, but it went too long & he hates Omega, so he had to rage at it after giving a few moments their due credit
Both undertaker and shawn wrestlemania matchs I'd give 5 stars. Also Jeff Hardy vs taker.
For the the most part I agree, but the business was already exposed by McMahon.
Yes, he had a match with a blow-up doll. Yes, he had a match with a little girl. And those matches were better than most main event matches nowadays on WWE.
It doesn't matter. Because WWE is not professional wrestling.
@Joey G wwe is sports entertainment, not wrestling. This isn't a new thing
@Joey G hey man if you enjoy PG rated redundant garbage that doesn't know the definition of long term story telling then that's on you
@Joey G the difference being one company forces wrestlers to be someone they dont want to. The hands in pockets guy gets bigger pops weekly than Mr. Burn My Career Down Cuz I Have A Thin Skin And Cant Stay Of Twitter guy
@Joey G I dunno, thanks to that crowd Orange Cassidy is slowly growing on me :p just don't put any gold on him
Turns out Cornette's story about Omega lying to work in Japan is total BS. Kenny had a messed up ankle and couldn't go. He did show up to accept an award that weekend. He didn't wrestle.
I wish Cornetto (for in ring booking) and Russo (for story and character) would go back to TNA.
Or just Russo.
Or anyone who knows how to write a TV show. Anyone who thinks the indie style is good should be immediately fired.
Anyone who suggests a 15 minute match thats not linked to any angle, storyline or character work should be immediately fired. Anyone who suggests a match over 25 on tv that isnt a long term storyline blow off should be sued for harming the company.
Long matches are BORING.
If you like them, you are the niche that is too small to be worth chasing. They need to get casual fans watching again and you do that by building characters, having worthwhile storylines and fun and interesting angles. Anyone woke who worries about offending people should be immediately fired. No risk of offence leads to a BORING PRODUCT
What its this episode number?
Kenny worked a Japanese show the same week as Final Battle 2009 and pretended to have an injury?
*Looks at Cagematch*
Nope, wrong. Kenny worked Final Battle and his next date was 12/27. The following week
Jim doesn't know punches aren't done in Japan?
Can't wait to listen Mr Cornette commenting on Okada - Omega IV 7 star match
Imagine a Wrestlemania championship main event ending in a countout like Jim wanted this one to.
Wait, did he shit all over the Miz/Cena Mania 28 match that DID end in a countout before Host Rock restarted it?
Probably
Go watch Bret vs Savage at Saturday Night Main Event, Fall of 87.
Love ya Jim but when Omega no showed ROH he wasn’t wrestling in Japan he went there to accept a Match Of the Year award
He still lied about an injury to a company where he was booked.
@@anthonybell5666 he was actually injured so he couldn't wrestle, so he decided to go to accept the award since he was already in Japan
Darby Allin has made the dives realistic enough to actually change the game. They have to figure out a safe dive with out catch!
Cornette is absolutely right, the match had no psycology at all.
THE FIGHT STILL GOING ON JUST BEC OF ONE MATCH WITH KID
How does Bryan not laugh his ass off during Corny's rants.
I've always assumed he mutes his mic so he can do as he pleases without interrupting him lol
Cornette's assessment of Omega is spot-on. Great athlete whose also an annoying fucking goof. Did sound like a hilariously grouchy old bastard talking about video games.
People will say "Oh, Cornette is stuck in the past." But his criticism of the match was pretty fair. It was long. There was a shit ton of big moves that got kicked out of. Lot of cooperation that was obvious. The cringe-inducing Dragon Superplex didn't look like two guys fighting. The backdrop through the table was probably the most impressive spot. Really looked like a brutal wipeout. Match didn't really pick up till the end. Lot of rehashed shit from earlier Omega and Okada matches. Nothing too wild or crazy there. Probably not even a top 10(or 20) NJPW match.
6 stars because Meltzer is a open NJPW mark. If this was 6 stars, then those insane NXT matches with The Revival, DIY, and AOP were 7.
"earlier okada v omega" matches this was their first singles match against one another....
hey12358y I agree. Corny's got his issues, but he was fair on this match, I thought. I watched the match before listening to what Corny said and I was thinking pretty much what he said. The thing it, I was very entertained by the match, & it is certainly worthy of praise for what it is...a display of wrestling moves. That's fine, just don't call it a "6 Star Match" because I'm sorry, it's not. Some people will just have a totally different view of what pro wrestling is. For me, I love the psychology & the technical precision. Others love crazy spots, that's fine too. Personally, the ROH match & the Tanahashi/Naito matches were superior in terms of "pro wrestling."
hey12358y FUCK THE REVIVAL
Adam Cole vs Johnny gargano NXT takeover ny, 2 outta 3 falls match, especially how gargano turned the crowd after just about everyone there was for Cole👍🏾👍🏾
Can kurt Angle and Shane Mcmahon at king of the ring get some love. Def think that was 5 star worthy.
Shane won over ALOT of people with that match. It's not his fault he outdid peolle with years in the business.
Now I completely understand why you hate Kenny Omega. Now need to explain anymore.
I like the Okada/Omega matches, but Jim's criticisms seem valid.
Outside of Solo Sikoa and “the Samoan spike,” Okada’s “Rainmaker” finisher has to be the worst finisher ever. It’s a friggin lariat! And I get comments about the setup to the damn clothes line. Well Rhea Ripley uses that same setup for a head butt, a drop kick, and a super kick and none of those are her finishers
Rollins and Cena and a bunch of others in wwe gushed all over this match calling it the best they ever seen wanting him in wwe immediately
Times were fucked up wow
This is still Jim's closest thing to a compliment! Also, his spotfest argument or overselling argument is weightless. He likes this match and I think he would of gave it 4.5/5 .
No it’s not weightless
I do like New Japan, but there are too many high spots where people kicking out of spots / devastating finishers that anywhere else would be 'match enders'.
Cornette is the man, Okada is a great wrestler, kenny is just okay, average wrestler
People are such crybabies. Jim Cornette is a wrestling history guy, he has great wealth of knowledge and plenty of experience in the business... But he's also a man in his 60s who grew up in the days when wrestling was treated with a LOT more respect, and he saw things change.
It's a guy with opinions, and they're based on him living through something most of his listeners are decades removed from. Stop crying about it, you don't have to agree with him. He doesn't need a bunch of 12 year olds on the internet who only like wrestling from Japan to agree with him. And it doesn't change the fact, all opinions are valid and informed by individual experiences.
If you disagree that much, start your own wrestling podcast and see how much YOU have to say before you run out of things to talk about.
If there is a such thing as a PERFECT wrestling match, the only match that’s even close was Savage Vs. Steamboat WM3.
After hearing this… I can’t tell…. Jim, do you like Omega or not ?!
No.
Meltzer has gotten even worse from this point. His star ratings are even more ridiculous now.
the “booking in japan” was some type of ceremony he didnt have to wrestle with at all and nowadays roh would suck his taint to get him on a card. one of the biggest stars in thw world baby get over it
Jim: The whole match looked too cooperative. 90% OF ALL WRESTLING LOOKS COOPERATIVE CORNETTE! JESUS, who would lay on the ground while you play to the crowd, climb the ropes, and leap from them with an elbow drop? Who would let you place them atop a turnbuckle, drape their arm over you and body drop them from the top rope? Then Jim bitches about the punches. Who cares about the punches?! I want to see the story unfold, the moves and athleticism. Jim, stop with the stasis and time freeze man...the 80's are gone. YOUR BOYS exposed and ruined the old business. These guys are just trying to do what they love in the new landscape.
look i just want his thoughts on njpw. kenny is not new japan. can he just give it a look. kenny didnt make the match as good as it was, okada did.
You know that made we wonder what would Cornette think of Taichi Vs Okada
Kenny was every bit a part of that feud as Okada was, they are both great individually and they were magic when they opposed one another. Give credit where credit is due.
@@LiveTheDream24 Preach
Does he not realize that everyone knows that it's a work?
When u go watch a movie, I doubt youd like to see green screens popping up or bloopers being left in. You go in knowing it's fake wanting to believe/ invest yourself. Yes everyone knows it's fake. We can all be reminded after. While it's going on, the point is to make you believe it's real. Now I don't agree with everything he says but I do side with him that it should be treated and presented as real just like a movie presents you a product that wants you to believe it's real and invest yourself with the characters and action.
@@ITRiBUTEI This match is the equivalent of a Michael Bay movie. Great effects and stunts do not necessarily mean it's a great movie.
I'd like Jim to see more of NJPW some day and see what he thinks. Obviously he probably won't like the entire fighting spirit stuff at first, but if he can give it the understanding that he does for Lucha he might really enjoy it.
I’d really like to hear him discuss 90’s AJPW at length.
I love Cornette but goddamn dude this isn't the 1980's. He has one of the best wrestling minds in the business but times change. This match is great for modern times. Better than ANY MATCH the WWE has put out in 10 years.
nope
Clifton Smith You obviously haven't seen WWE NXT.
Retro Review NXT is just another ROH or IMPACT but with a bigger budget
Retro Review in all honesty I haven't watched NXT since February. ROH puts on better shows now
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels was way better than this
I love how many of the comments here from 4-6 years ago are now aging like milk.
I'm glad that this was the last time he ever had to talk about Kenny Omega.
all he talks about right now is this Kenny Olivier geek
@@JaculaDudek It's called SARCASM dumbass.
Just because you can go 40 plus minutes, does it mean you should. That's all wrestling is these days. Going long, just to go long.
Tell me why meltzers giving 5 stars to riccochet and osprey doing front flips in unison like fucking dancers how is that a fight it’s Olympic gymnastics I like riccocet but cut the fucking flips
What's hard to tell if you got a match on the other side of the globe,Kenny is in the Indy scene and of course the people or the promotion would understand that. So why lie to them?
The bussiness was exposed a looooooong time ago