Dune VS Foundation: Chaos Theory
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- Dune and Foundation approach the future in completely different ways-one through the science of prediction, the other through visions of destiny. Asimov’s Foundation explores psychohistory, a mathematical system that predicts the large-scale movements of civilizations, while Herbert’s Dune presents prescience, the ability to foresee and shape the future. Chaos theory, however, challenges both by showing how small changes can create unpredictable outcomes. This video dives into the clash between determinism and unpredictability, exploring how psychohistory, prescience, and chaos theory shape these iconic sci-fi worlds and their deeper themes of control, fate, and free will.
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Some of you pointed out that I simplified Chaos Theory a bit too much. To clarify: Chaos Theory describes deterministic systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, leading to unpredictability over time-but they’re still technically deterministic. Thanks for the discussion!
It's also related to complexity theory... which is more so about complex systems with my components and the type of emergent behaviors that arise.
Sorry I'm a bit of a math & science nerd 🤓
@@slickandslaycious6579 what is "complexity, though"?
When /how/ a system becomes "complex"?
@@stanislavstoimenov1729 basically it’s level of sophistication. So it kinda means the opposite of simplicity. Particularly in regards to having a high number of components or chaotic-like behavior.
Like how deterministic is the opposite of chaotic
He never misses
@stanislavstoimenov1729 A system is complex when it has a ballooning number of causal interactions. Human beings have 20k active genes which produce proteins that interact giving rise to us. These genes interact over time and space and regulate eachother in millions of different ways. That is complex, huge numbers of causal interactions.
They both have similar stories in the sense it’s about controlling a timeline of events to stop a catastrophe or have catastrophes happen in order for humanity to get stronger in order to be ready for what’s at the end point
I see the Quinn-zatz Haderach has yet again successfully predicted what video we'd love to watch!
Something to point out, Foundation focused on trends of nations, people, and groups. Their methods of prediction broke when trying to determine an individual's path but was based on the idea that large groups of people would overwhelm individual choice as populations flow in predictable ways like a river. Their ability to predict things was completely broken by an individual, The Mule, who was able to force their individual choices upon the collective rather than have the collective's choices swallow them up.
Dune is the opposite, with heavy focus on predicting idividual choices and outcomes, with people being able to foresee individual choices as well as taking the individual into account. I would also say that in a way the Golden Path is a way to make sure that individuality is maintained by preventing prescience from trapping individuals within a collective or trend. The Golden Path and The Scattering breaks up the concept of huge groups of predictable people and instead makes a large number of smaller factions that are difficult if not impossible to perfectly predict.
In fact, Asimov would further weaken the 'determinism' by revealing that the plan requires a secret organization of psychics (the 'Second Foundation') who secretly influence humanity to keep them on track.
It really changes the message of the series when Psychohistory isn't a predictive science but actually the manipulation of a grand conspiracy, who can't even succeed in cases like The Mule.
As an engineer, I read foundation as the application of control theory on psychohistory. This would mean history is deterministic under certain conditions. We see this in the foundation when The mule cause the Seldon plan to fail bc the conditions for stability aren't meet.
Oh dang I can't wait for that 'History of Science Fiction' video. This one's great for now, though. Thank you, Quinn
Chaos theory tells us that the future states of sufficiently complex systems are unpredictable. It doesn't mean that same system is not deterministic. For those who are interested, James Gleick's book, "Chaos: Making a new science" is an approachable intro to chaos theory.
This is key to Dune; Paul et al can see the paths, he can see the chaos and control it. Foundation is macro.
Great book! Recommended!
@@bobobobobbbbo I didn't mean to critique either of these fantastic book series and I appreciate Quinn's take on both of them. They are fiction and can use as much science as they like. This just happens to be a topic of interest to me and I wanted to point out where the books deviate from what we know and also to list a source of information for those who are interested.
In Fondation, a character appears, the "Mule", who was not foreseen by the psycho-history. Asimov had integrated this element of chaos theory into his work, which helps to nuance the differences between the two authors. More specifically, we can deduce from Foundation that there are historical rules that can lead to the same result in the future as in the past. The future is not completely chaotic.
Even without the Mule, psycho-history shows just an approximation. Its mathematical formulae needs to be continually fixed to account for deviations. It's even compares humanity to a gas: you can't predict a single particle (human), but you can predict the gas (humanity) as a whole.
@@Palparepa yeah weren't the Second Foundation secretly interfering to keep the Plan on course ? including drastic intervention to neutralise the Mule.
Also the golden age wasn't totally logical and rational as psychic powers were a fad at the time e.g. Hubbard, Asimov, Clarke, van Vogt ...
Worse infact. He broke the Cardinal assumption.
That aggregate individual responses to stimuli would remain normal.
Which is why the posthuman society ( one of the spacer planets went into hiding ) is even worse for the plan.
Honestly Quinn, I love your videos so much, and I think you have probably been many many peoples entree point to the genre of science fiction, many whom wouldn't have been interested in the sci-fi literature world at all without you. Thank you for your comprehensive videos on all of our favorite books! And thanks for showing us all the new ones we wouldn't have tried without watching your videos.
I listened Dune book 1 to 6 in 2024 spurred by the film and discovered your channel. Now new challenge unlocked, Foundation series :) Thank you for the inspiration! Keep up the great work.
Haven't watched in a while because I haven't watched the Dune series, but I stan your work. Thank you for getting me back into reading, especially science fiction! 💜
Quinn, this is a big ask, but I need you to do the audiobooks for Dune. You do the voices and embody the characters perfectly as well as the atmosphere.
I don’t enjoy other readings, I’ve tried. You blow them out the water so please!
Ultimate guide to dune series he has is similar to a summary if you want to watch for books you have read.
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How about the ones narrated by Simon Vance? He really excels at making each character feel unique. I would like Quinn's voice too btw.
I’ve said it many times. Quinn needs to get into reading for audiobooks professionally. So good.
Oh I'm definitely waiting for that "History of Sci-Fi".
Hey, thank you so much for sticking behind and continuing the lie behind the stars. Really looking forward to it
Apple's Foundation Series had to depart from Asimov's books because the latter aren't character-driven and without character there's no-one to care about, no reason for audiences to become invested in the story. For most people, dry intellectual dialectic does not suffice.
The later Foundation books are a lot more character driven than the early ones, that are basically short story collections. Esp. the sequels he did in the 80s.
Great video Quinn. Love hearing comparisons of these two great book series. Looking forward to seeing your History of Science Fiction.
The later Foundation books also awknoledge the chaotic nature of... nature more than the early, a bit more pulpy, story collections. First the Mule, and then in the sequels there are more and more different possible paths that were taken into account. I think the TV series does a pretty good job at combining the more character driven story telling from the sequels and combining it with the more idea driven stories from the first collections. And the three aspects of the Emperor is a pretty brilliant idea itself. Really liking the series, apart from the unneccessary action scenes during the first season...
Chaos theory is about deterministic, albeit highly sensible systems. They're unpredictable because of their sensitivity to initial conditions, but may still be influenced by attractors that constrain their behavior in a structured but aperiodical way (such as Lorentz attractor). So psychohistory as a "feasible" form of sci-fi still stands.
This is the moment I realized I am a product of the "That's so Raven" to "Dune" pipeline
If you wanna understand chaos theory just watch Jeff goldblum put a couple of drops of water on Laura Derns hand
Turned me on. Was the how I was supposed to react?
One key difference between the two is the use of drugs (Spice, in the case of Dune), vs the use of (what I always assumed to be) complex maths to "predict" the future
Great analysis and thesis. I'd add that the backgrounds of the 2 authors may play a part - Asimov was a scientist and may have applied a "materialistic" worldview to his imagined future, whereas Herbert might be classed as more "arts-minded" and might have dabbled with a few psychedelics along the way. Just saying. Not sure how involved Herbert was with the counter-culture movement but it's interesting that both were born in the same year - such a different vision each had, it's amazing and great :D
I'd say that even Aasimov gave up on determinism in the later books. The ones that, like the Endimion books, are actually fantasy wearing Sci-Fi skins
Even though the deterministic philosophy of Foundation cannot be seriously denied, I think it's a bit unfair to claim that Asimov has a "blind trust in science". As a chemist himself he should have known that every theory has its limits and in the beginning of the first Foundation book he stated that applying the equations of psychohistory on an individual is risky, which doesn't sound deterministic to me. I think it's also interesting to mention, that the first foundation book was written and published at a time, where statistical Thermodynamics was being seriously discussed, which in opposite to classical Thermodynamics tried to describe substances as a huge ammount of quite random moving particles and not as a deterministc behaving continuum that can be described as "one thing", which doesn't make much of a difference if the ammount of particles is large enough due to probability. If Statistical Thermodynamics is the "spiritual ancestor" of psychohistory if would explain both why psychohistory is described as a statistical science and why it works pretty well on large scale, whereas it counts as unreliable predicting the behaviour of small groups or even individuals.
Good post, but I would go a step further and say that Foundation is not quite deterministic. It may be something Asimov introduced in later books, but there is the Second Foundation that helps to nudge events in the direction the Seldon-plan "predicted".
Yay! New video!!!
Thanks for this, I love the dune content
Hi Quinn. I was just relistening to your Dune Prophecy Deep Dive aftershow, and was thinking it would be really cool if you were to make a What I Liked in Dune Prophecy video. Since the show did have quite a few plot and conflicting lore issues, it would be great for us to have a rewatch primer by such a Dune expert to remind us going in of all the positive theme, plot, and lore aspects of the show to counteract and defend our minds against the pull to focus on the negative ones. Thanks for your efforts Quinn!
I’ll watch literally any Quinn Dune video.
never have been this early, glad to have you back Quinn!
The king of sci-fi returns with another succinct analysis. Thank you for the vid 🔥🔥🔥
Interesting to see a lot of stories are often about life or death against chaos and achieve peace and order. But chaos is depicted to be endless hydra while peace and order is many periods of time that will eventually end with chaos. Even those who venture towards peace and order often seek immortality through power and break the balance into chaos. Fascinating.
I wouldn't say people don't buy determinism nowadays. If anything, both accelerationism and "doomerism" are modern (and extremely popular) interpretations of it, mostly on the pessimistic side due to the current state of the world. The thing is that it's hard to make _stories_ deterministic, especially grand, hero's journey epics. These stories are about overcoming great odds, which is the precise opposite of determinism. I'd say Foundation suffers more from being made now when everyone wants to create the next Game of Thrones, because that sidetracks stories into being these epic journeys full of political intrigue, heroes, action and everything, something not all of them are. The Dune show is an even sadder example of that.
Hey Quinn! Thanks for the video!
Like the sci fi vibes. You got me into so many modern books. Appreciate you, Q
Hi Quinn, many times in your videos I'm amazed by how beautifully edited are the books you have. Could you maybe do a video about the most beautifully edited/printed books that you posses and what publishers do they come from?
All videos aside, the music is absolutely incredible.
thanks for the exegesis and the lack of strong of sound effect. can u do also an episode on the early history of science fiction?
can’t wait for your full video to come out
You waving in the little circle is the best addition since organism. I always wave back. Both times. Bring back organism.
Nice to see a video comparing two of the most influential works of the 20th century, at least as far as science fiction is concerned.
BTW, I have a fan theory that Foundation is a distant prequel to Dune. Something about how Second Foundation talks about the second Galactic Empire reminds me of the Old Imperium of Dune before the Butlerian Jihad.
I'm not entirely happy that Asimov's idea of psychohistory has been fairly represented. It was about broad trends in populations which influence overall events. And the Second Foundation was conceived to not only analyse and refine psychohistory as the broad events in the Seldon Plan developed, but also to take corrective action when the chaos started overwhelming the models predictions.
The emergence of The Mule was something that psychohistory couldn't predict, which screwed up the Seldon Plan.
I like the idea of an "impact threshold" - small changes would get washed away in the inherent chaos of time, but if your impact is above a certain threshold, it's strong enough to make a lasting change. This isn't from any specific story, so have fun with it ;)
I've been wanting to make this video for a long time.
Conversely I suspected part of Paul's ability was he had become a navigator and a mentat and was managing to calculate the reality of the present and future. Of course that still relies on magic psychic input - but it seems a waste to not have a large computational aspect to what he does - given how much set up for those skills Dune did. Foundation's math largely relies on small effects canceling each other out - but ultimately Choas derails the exact predictions but the main goal is accomplished. If the Encyclopedists had kept updating the psychohistory simulations after Seldon died they would have been better off and might have spotted the Mule.
I'm reading Lorenz' book "The Essence of Chaos" right now.
And I started reading from "Foundation" years before I ever read Dune.
My take on Foundation is that it actually predicted the 'chaos' in the decline of Empire; it recognized that the order as it was would likely go into disarray. (And there's nothing too novel about that, as any historian up to Asimov's time could easily provide a history of every empire that's fallen. . ..)
The Foundation series also made a way for the affects of the unpredictable -- the tiny factor that could change even the best-laid plans -- with the Mule. He, himself, wasn't anticipated; and even though a secret "Second Foundation" had been established as a contingency, they still couldn't predict their success immediately after the Mule's fall.
Simply put, the old line "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes," applies here.
As for why the Apple show didn't fare nearly as well as Villanueve's movies. . .well, one is produced by a relative no name, looks and is acted like a slightly b-grade TV series, and is available only on a streaming platform that a lot people aren't subscribed to; meanwhile, Dune was shot by a director who has earned himself the status as visionary, and can was accessible to anyone who wanted to see it in the movies.
Oh, you mentioned Hugo Gernsback!
That makes me think I'd like to hear your take on William Gibson's short story "The Gernsback Continuum."
Good video. Though, I think you are undervaluing the difference between dune and foundation on key figures. With the exception of second foundation, the way each series respectively treats the idea of key figures and their locus of control is more substantial than superficial window dressing, as you imply! I would say it is almost on the same level as chaos theory
I was thinking about this exact topic this weekend 🤯
Hi Quinn! Are you planning on making a video about Absolution? The 4th Southern Reach book
It’s been a couple months since I read it, and I feel like I’m still in Area X
Or is it in me 😮
I think you're misinterpreting psychohistory. Psychohistory is only about predicting the paths of human societies. It can't predict things outside of human society.
Also, psychohistory doesn't say that small changes can't ripple out or that they don't matter. It says that large societal pressures can create the conditions for certain events. For example, if you look at the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand which led up to the first world war, psychohistory cannot predict that specific random event. However, psychohistory can predict that due to social, economic, and political conditions of the time, a large catastrophic event like the first world war has a high probability of happening, even though it can't predict how it will be triggered.
Great video, id love to see you do more scifi novel comparisons
Praying for longer videos with more stuff from the books discussed not just surface level
Somehow, near the end of the video I was thinking of "The Adjustment Bureau" with most actions being predetermined as someone (never seen, only described) had Matt Damon's and Emily Blunt's characters originally planned to be together and it's later revealed that Damon's character essentially rebels against the deterministic "plan" to avoid Blunt's character and fight for their romance. In the end (SPOILER): due to fighting for their relationship and acting on faith the Bureau allows humanity to have free will.
Could we then consider Leto II chaos control?
I do not know if I've said this before but I just love your voice and cadence. You could probably read a phone book and I would watch it but I am glad you delve into far more fascinating things and give your insights into them instead.
I like these videos, it's like meta-analysis storytime
Quinn will you do a dive into the Xeelee Sequence series?
This is very similar to (actual academic, not political) discussions being had about the best path forward in K-12 education. Is it better to provide specific, skill based training; or to provide the training needed to create a lifelong learner empowered to educate themselves?
So many important discussions depend on determinism or free will (humanity’s chaos). Thank you for your take on the subject. It is always appreciated here.
A major shift in how science is perceived is taking place beginning in the later 19th century. The earlier 19th century and the 18th century science, particularly physics, had a mechanistic tone and image. By the later 1930s, both Quantum Mechanics and Gödel's Theorems had punctured the idea science and mathematics were genuinely the handmaidens of "Truth". Quantum Mechanics could not be reconciled with relativity, and Gödel had shown unambiguously that logic and mathematics were inherently and irrevocably reliant on unprovable assumptions. By the 1950s, philosophers questioning and limiting science had become influential in the public mind. Another writer you might look at is Poul Anderson and his Flandery novels, and also his stories involving psychodynamics.
The seeds of modern Chaos Theory predate Lorenz's discovery in relation to the chaotic nature of even comparatively simple and fundamentally deterministic weather models.
The first sign that all was not well with Newtonian determinism was, of course the (original) "three-body problem" with which many great mathematicians and scientists struggled. (If my memory is correct, it was the 19th century mathematician Raymond Poincaré who demonstrated that there was no general solution to that problem even in the case of an extremely simple gravitational system consisting of only three moving parts...)
Modern chaos theory exploded after Lorenz's paper, of course, but I don't know it well enough to assess claims one sometimes hears that chaos theory can itself be used to "predict the future" in some limited ways.
I have LONG argued that "Foundation" hadn't aged well in the wake of the rise of chaos theory in scientific understanding - and I completely concur that Dune was inherently tapping into the zeitgeist of the emergence of chaos theory in the 1960s.
That simple regular systems can become chaotic & inherently unpredictable, allows for free will in a deterministic universe.
I've come up with the system of mathematical prediction, which I term "Multi-predictive Analysis", which uses ALL systems of numbering, ie surreals, & then applies ALL system of analytics generating meta-data through contrastive analysis, ie which systems are more accurate for what, which aren't, & which systems tend to come to the same predictions & which don't.
HI Quinn, for what it's worth on the off-chance you might read this - can I highly recommend you dip into some Soviet writers (if you haven't already). I grew up on Strugatsky brothers' work, and there are good translations into English. They have a "Midday XXII century" cycle focusing on the developments of humanity in a (not so distant now) future. Their writing stands out because despite the Sci-Fi settings, they focus on the humanity of people, often against a backdrop of ideas or ideologies. Separate from that cycle I would recommend "Doomed city", again, with a great translation that I checked out.
The brothers covered a wide spectrum of scifi from gritty, covered in machine oil, space exploration, to high-tech tyrannical ideologies, to humanity's response to superhumans. I think you would find quite a lot to sink your teeth into in their works.
To me Foundation is so much better than Dune and I totally disagree with the Adam Roberts quote. To me its seems determinism has basically become the predominant philosophy in the scientific/academic communities and yes it is at odds with the general increasing scientific illiteracy of the general public, so yeah its a safer bet to put money in Dune instead of Foundation. Anyway I like this subject need a more in depth analysis :))
Yay, a new Quinn's Ideas!
Haven't seen you in a while but in that time I got through Foundation. I definitely think Foundation is Kralizec but Harry Seldon is way more overpowered than Paul or Leto. Foundation was sort of ridiculous how "lucky" things went whereas Dune was more of a tragedy. There were no "good" choices for Paul, there was going to be an awful time, there was an awful time, and he/Leto were trying their best despite the personal consequences. For Dune much more hinged on the individuals and implies free (despite coerced) will whereas Foundation was more fatalistic and communitarian. I liked Dune way more, individuals make way more difference. Actually any major movements are just small groups making major changes to the broader population. It's not a society-wide change, it's a small focused lever that moves the world.
That all fell apart quickly. Near the end(of the series) It’s revealed it’s the second foundation manipulating everything for a long long time more than anyone knew to try and knock things roughly back on track when the predictions go wrong
Another great one! Thank you!
You should make a video about recommended books or series of science fiction. I really like your taste and trust your judgement.
You are pretty well-read, but I don't recall if you've ever read the Lensman series of E.E. "Doc" Smith. In any case, near the beginning of "First Lensman", Virgil Samms, the First Lensman, visits Arisia and the Arisian named Mentor predicts that at some future date he will receive a cut at a barber shop, precisely 2 centimeters in length. Apparently, Mentor's view to the world is that deterministic so that no deviation is possible. After the events of the book, Samms and his friend Kinnison visit a barber shop and he gets exactly the predicted cut. (Smith shows no knowledge of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. He really did have a doctorate, but it was in food chemistry. Asimov had a more substantial career as well as a doctorate; Herbert, of course, was considerably less certified)
I grew up with Foundation, read Dune in my adolesence and I'm glad to say of either of them, I've loved the Culture the Best!
Great watch, Quinn. I should really pick up a few newer science fiction books, I haven't read anything in four or five years now :O
Best sci fi channel ever!
Love your videos btw and this makes some sense with Chaos Theory being a potential influence bc I always saw the Dune future visions (or questions of prophecy clarity, etc) were based on WHEN the vision is attempted/done. Like, when its viewed and occurs that's what will happen based on everything up to that moment and its factors. Once its known and any sharing of that info or other variables could influence that vision. So, later if attempting to see that same vision again, at a later point in time, could there be a different outcome viewed? Like you mentioned seeing 1 child but the book is children. Like once they saw a vision it was like, "well, that's what it's going to be." Which I get that too, not many are questioning a vision of the future from beings with powers and so on. I haven't read everything or claim to be an expert but what I got from how they seemed and if this makes sense.
Dune seemed to promote the great man theory of history, whilst having the characters scheming based on their understanding of the written and emergent rules of their society. Which seems based on Herberts experience in politics. Asimov seems to pre-empt some chaos-theory like criticisms by saying that it works on large scale numbers. So short of technological change a planet only has so many resources, regardless of what individuals do. In later books the second foundation is actively refining their models and predictions and so shows that Seldons plan was an educated guess.
Hey Quinn, Just a little levity here. How about, as they both grew older and decided to write another set in the series, they both became kind of pervy old men. Azimov with his Gaia character and Herbert with the Honored Matres. I think the two of them were reading too much Heinlein. Nothing like that in either original trilogy.
A new video! Must be my lucky day
Looking forward to the doco.
I just hope your comprehensive History will at least mention Perry Rhodan. Its a little obscure in the US, albeit several translations.
But imho it deserves ar least a mention becaus it is the single longest running serialisation of written Science Fiction. Its going on since 1961 to this day. 3310 Issues continuing story... 🤯
The arc of history bends towards an ecumenopolis
i love Quinns videos
This is a brilliant extrapolation of the different philosophies. I've read Foundation, and I liked it, but found its central premise of the predictability of the world to be, not bad, just limited. I haven't read Dune, actually, but maybe I should...
Can you do a must read science fiction books ? Please
The analysis in this video seems like it's comparing all of the Dune novels written by Frank Herbert to just the first(first published) Foundation novel. After the first half of Foundation and Empire, the series very much embraces the idea of long term errors and non-determinism in psychohistory. Psychohistory becomes more of a system of methods and models that can be used to steer history in the short and medium term, but can't be used to make extremely long predictions, nor predict past unforseen events and singularities.
Hi Quinn- doesn’t the Second Foundation meet the “mystical” nature of Dune with telepathy and prescience?
2:05 I have both trilogy book series, but love Dune more
Dude. You are the man!
Now we need Isaac Asimov vs. Frank Herbet in the ring wwe style, my money is on Asimov. Though if I could pick any sci fi author, I'd pick Philip K. Dick.
Psychohistory bears resemblance to real historical developments in the origins of social science. Early socialists like Saint-Simon and later Karl Marx believed history can be traced as a rational science and outcomes or next phases of humanity could be molded from the knowledge. Saint-Simon was less teleological and believed a “science of man” proto-sociology could inform a more scientific society that resembles technocracy of productive classes. Marx was more teleological and believed he had a materialist science of history and determines the next stage of social evolution would be communism. Not exactly using math to predict the future but still it’s a view that science could help us determine the future direction of history
What's your take on Asimov's book "the currents of space" and dune series?
If you haven’t, you should read Donald Kingsbury’s “Psychohistorical Crisis”, which deals in part with the inherent limitations of something like psychohistory.
This is a very interesting and excellent novel.
Chaos Theory, Asimov's Foundations and Robots, and Herbert's Dune: The Fractal Aesthetic of Epic Science Fiction Donald E. Palumbo
Love it!
Quinn, how many books do you read in a year? A cool 300ish+ or less?
Kwisatz Haderach sees as far as your ability goes.. He works with chances.. likelihood or the outcome, if you will. Future goes as far as best version of yourself goes.. but it is only an outcome.
OMG a new video!!
I believe in self fulfilling prophecy. Like the story of Zeus, would he have overthrown Cronos if Cronos didn’t consult with Oracle and tried to prevent one of his children from defeating him?
This was great
Psychohistory worked until it did not when the mutant appears by chance who threw the whole foresight and plan off. It really was the second foundation keeping things on track after not very long I always thought was one of the twists/point of the series as a whole.
Also, request attempt 26; please read EON by the late and *great* Mr Bear. Read no spoilers.
One video should be all about the creation, history, geometry and “rules” of The Way.
It’s a pretty unique take on.. *spoilers*
There is also more content in there like where society goes and their favorite way to communicate. Which seemed insane to me then when written and now in 2025 I’m like 🤔
Awesome unscripted video!!! ❤
Paul's vision of his child....was this before or after the first Leto the 2nd was assassinated in his crib?
If anything can be predicted, everything can be predicted...
Do you think the sun will rise tomorrow as well? 🤔