Is USA college life more FUN than the UK? // UK vs USA University Life // Honest Experience
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I was surprised that you didn't mention fraternities and sororities - we see them in American films, but I still don't understand what they are.
There basically a "brotherhood"/ "sisterhood" where you just get fucked up and party
At my first school which was a small “honors” public liberal arts college, they were practically essential if you want to have a social life. I transferred to a much larger public university and I would say they necessity to be in Greek life was completely absent there. Also probably would not have gotten to UCL in my first college.
Fees in England are a relatively recent thing. I graduated in 1990, and not only did I not have to pay anything for the course, I was also given a "maintenance grant" to cover living expenses while I was there. We all graduated owing nothing.
I graduated in '06 and fee's were lower than they are now. My fee's for the year were about £3k including housing and I had a further £1k in my student loan for all my living expenses, so by the end my student loan was about £12k to pay off which went quite quickly. Since I left they've gone up quite a lot.
But your Council paid for you .
Exactly - society gets the benefit of teachers, doctors, nurses, social workers, etc., and by spreading the cost we all pay a negligible amount each.
I started in ‘91, the year the maintenance grant was frozen and loans were introduced to make up the difference in what was paid and what the grant should have been. I lived at home (it was also the period when the government massively expanded the intake but expected ‘the market’ to step up and accommodate everyone - of course the markets have never managed anything the Tories expect of them.. but then I was reading for an Economics degree, and in my first year the institution was still a Polytechnic) so my grant was lower, but somehow my (widowed) mother and I muddled through without resorting to a loan. I gather the grant went completely just after I graduated and it was loans for all, fees came in quite a bit later still - I was actually part way through a second degree with the open university at the point and was offered the chance to complete it at their old rates (it had cost around £800 a year, cheaper for my computing course with no residential etc but payable in monthly instalments), with the new fees it was several thousand pounds a year. Tuition fees were meant to vary according to the prestige of the institution, but the government set a maximum - so my ex poly would have been around the bargain basement degree (at the time university status has actually been very good for them as time has gone on), the university in the city I live in would probably be nudging the max, it ain’t quite Oxbridge, but it’s up at the top of the lists. Of course the institution got to pick what they charged, so they all thought they were worth full whack and charged it regardless
Kids these days gotta pay HAHHAHA
Most larger towns in the UK would have a local college which is generally FE (further education) and often has vocational courses, diplomas or other qualifications such as A levels and evening classes. Universities are H E (higher education) these are courses in a specialist area and usually are a minimum of three years plus masters level and PHD courses.
This is a great video! I think collage in the USA looks way more fun! And the fact you can do all different classes looks so much more interesting! The only things I don’t like the sound of is the cost and the constant testing and quizzes. In the UK no one really studied until it was exam time so the rest of the time was a doss - (an easy ride) 😂
"doss" Truly a UK moment (i liv in uk)
Americans in university get treated like sixth formers in the UK, guess that's why they call it college.
In the US most sport participation pretty much ends after college unless you are lucky to turn professional. In the UK you can play almost all sports at any level in local clubs. It means that University sport is not a big thing.
pretty true, same in australia and NZ
The US also has local clubs. My husband plays baseball every summer with a local league.
I will be a postgraduate student in the UK this year so thank you so much for the useful information!
Regarding the drinking culture, I went to Glasgow University, which has it's own idiosyncracies. The GUU had 9 bars, but since all of my classes were on the other side of the campus, I joined the QMU. Which also links in to another aspect of university life; the QMU can operate as a music venue with a capacity of about 900; it's hosted acts like Queen, Nirvana, Soundgarden and the Smashing Pumpkins.
In fact, the last gig I went to before the 'rona was there (fwiw, The Wildhearts, Backyard Babies and cKy) in January 2020.
Regarding self-directed study in the UK, it does vary a bit by course and institution and even teacher. I've been to three universities on four courses, and at MA level alone I've been given everything from "this is the assignment, follow this precise structure, talk about these things" to "come up with your own topic and question, write about whatever you like"! But I would definitely agree that the expectation is generally that you will spend more time studying at home or in the library than you will in a classroom.
I could never figure out where a MSc etc stopped and a PhD began. Generally a Masters is original research but a mid literature review too. the PhD is suppose to extend the learning and a new/ novel way, can take two years , or twenty.!
Enjoyed this video! I did a Fulbright teaching exchange and taught at an “Oxbridge” school in Kent. A wonderful experience, but very different than my high school teaching job in the US! Also, I hear you re not immediately knowing your career path. After high school, my youngest son started as a performance major (percussionist), transferred to another university and graduated with an entertainment management degree. Life threw some serious curves and he is now a family physician and never happier with his situation! Keep up the good work!
An oxbridge school in Kent? What?
Really interesting, and good to see such civilised comments below, which isn't always the case on YT! I taught English to 11-18 year-olds for over thirty years, and then went on to do a couple of MAs once I retired (because learning is a lot of fun when your future doesn't depend on your grades!)
One detail it might be worth pointing out is that our children start school before they are 5, and generally have a year extra at school - Reception to Year 12 = 13, not counting Nursery (aka Kindergarten). My grand-daughter was 5 in January and is already reading quite well. We focus a lot on general education in the younger years of schooling - you do 8 - 10 academic subjects, plus sport, some sort of religious/ethical studies and some general citizenship stuff. I've taught a fair number of visiting students from the US over the years, and there really is a noticeable difference in the standard they have attained at particular levels - possibly because a lot of things like chorus or band/orchestra are optional extras outside core time. Again, former pupils who have studied in the US report that Freshman and sometimes Sophomore work in subjects they have studied at school are generally very undemanding by comparison.
That said, the requirement to continue with wider studies is, I think, a plus. My husband has a doctorate in Chemistry, and ha done no studies in any 'literate' subject since he was 16. One new employer promptly sent him on a report-writing course, because in their experience (a scientific research facility!) clever scientists were rubbish at communicating their understanding to anyone except other clever scientists.
I knew I loved English from the start, but for two years did added history classes. I could possibly have negotiated a change of subject with my university - and that was back in the 70s. I believe it is a little easier to do that now. As a teacher I spent a lot of time and energy discussing options with my students, and schools often have good careers departments which can offer further guidance - and we do have universities, especially those in Scotland, but also a fair few in England - which encourage broader studies in the first year, narrowing thereafter to a specialisation.
The UK has what is called Further Education and Higher Education. Higher Education is what you would do at University. Further Education relates to anything beyond GCSE (taken at 16) but below a degree, and you might do that at College.
Thank you so much for posting this video! This is so helpful . My daughter wants to apply for UK universities.lots of great information!
In the UK we apply through a system ucas. They then let u know which unis want u from a interview and if u get a place u then have 2 choose to unis for a 1st and 2nd choice. If u don't get in after ur official results then u go into clearing x
I really enjoyed my time at uni, even though they introduced fees just as I was starting to do my gcse's. I really feel that education should be free, especially as I also found myself retraining as an adult. (the money is paid back through your work in society), I'm now studying sciences with the open University, so even if you're older and want to study something else you can, and should, be able to. It's harder but still rewarding, I don't think you're ever too old to want to learn something and universities, generally, will want to support you and facilitate learning.
Re the difference in grades/marks, I've heard of Brits applying for postgraduate courses in the US who had been rejected and had to appeal because the Americans reviewing their application saw 70-odd percent and assumed it was a poor grade.
Dont forget the main UK College apparel is the Scarf - (and for oxford/cambridge the College Tie - check the yes minister programs where the cabinet etc where Ties which are either College, School (Public), Regimental or Club ones.
During my time in Uni, I had several (4-5) exams/ coursework/ essays that would count towards my final grade. I think it is dependant on your course/ major.
In the UK you can do Joint Honours degrees and have a major and a minor which does allow you to broaden your area of study and be able to choose different modules from other departments especially in the first year.
A lot of universities have Wednesday afternoons off to participate in sports should you wish. There are university leagues for most ball sports in the UK but it is nowhere near as big as in the US.
Yeah, I knew a couple of people who played in university teams while I was an undergrad. The teams outnumbered the crowds basically all the time.
I went to a local college of further education on day release from work and night school. Studying for engineering qualifications to Higher National Certificate in production engineering and Quality Management. About three quarters of a BSc
15 or 16. Try 14.
I remember well having to take certain classes because I wanted to go to Uni to study History or geography. By 15 you are studying your initial subjects to be able to take your A levels in order to go to Uni and study your chosen subject. Of course, with a little judicious subject choices you covered as many bases as possible.
Hiya. That was better than most of those cartoon or animated comparison videos doing the rounds. Stay safe. All the best to you.
Thanks so much for watching!
Oxford students do have a lot of pride, and some turn up to sporting events (mainly the Boat Race, the Varsity Match (rugby union) and the University Match (cricket)) long after they've left. Also Henley Royal Regatta, for the rowers. The reason that it's only tourists who wear Oxford University shirts is that if you're actually at Oxford, you get the stash appropriate to your college (scarf, hoodie, fleece, tie etc) and in first year that's practically the unofficial uniform for lectures. You only wear university stash for a sports team or a society (e.g. Oxford University Light Entertainment Society - Drinkers with an Acting Problem); second years and above are more likely to have either college club stash (e.g. college rowing splash jackets) or university club/society stash, so wear the generic college stash less.
I assume it's similar at that dodgy place in the Fens.
I went on day release to Lewisham collage to study gardening, I was an apprentice gardener I then did a one year at an agricultural college studying horticulture.
I studied fine art and my course was split and marked in modules and you need to get a certain score in those modules to get onto the next year, and in the final year they added all your marks up and that is what decided for final mark ie first, 2:1 etc.
My Law doctorate comprised of 3 years for a Bachelors degree followed by another 3 for my Masters followed by 4 years for the Ph.D. It can depend on the subject you study as some of mine crossed over into a vocational experience, in the UK court system and also a teaching qualification as I now teach at university level. As for extra curricular things, people in the UK go to school to learn and they keep their work (school) life separate from their home life as it should be...The Americans are a breed of people that feel the need to be competitive at everything and as always have a capitalist approach to every thing too with in my opinion, overboard advertising of their colleges...We don't feel the need to do this, we know they exist and where they are and it's a place of learning not a festival. There are some exceptions of course with some universities being represented through sports such as the Boat race etc and we have the TV Quiz "University Challenge" but apart from that most don't feel obliged to promote the school where they're studying and paying for the privilege.
In terms of everything coming down to 1 exam/1 piece of coursework etc in the UK, you can see that broken down in the specification. Some modules are different. I had a module which had no exam but required about 6 pieces of written work.
Many years ago my degree included a module for a dissertation, so no exam there (needless to say, very few people took that module). My degree was unusual in the institution that your final grade hinged entirely on your final year (I don’t know about now, but most courses at the time went on the grades from year two and three, though year three results would be weighted heavier), most courses included a coursework element, but again on mine it was fairly insignificant, about 15% of the final marks I think.. then of course things get mucked about with to give you the classification of your degree.
@@johnd6487 I may be even older. :-) When I did my first degree (English Lang and Lit, with Italian as a supplementary, Birmingham, 1969), a dissertation was not compulsory, but COULD be offered in lieu of one final exam paper. I decided to go for a dissertation in lieu of the 16th century other than Shakespeare paper, writing one on the prose style of the theologian Hooker.
On the lighter note of the high US boozing age, don't congresspersons get hammered for this in student-heavy areas like, say, Cambridge, Massachusetts? If an MP in the eponymous English city came up with the bright idea ofstopping students drinking, I would bet on his/her re-election.
There are three different things that English (and Welsh) people call "college". Scotland has a completely separate educational system that works differently and I don't know enough to explain it. Northern Ireland is similar to England, but tends to use different words for everything.
1. Sixth-form colleges. These cover what we now call Year 12 and Year 13 of school - what you'd call 11th and 12th Grade - in most areas. They're called sixth form because our high schools were traditionally five forms (grades), so when we added the extra two years to some schools (in the 1920s), they became the "lower sixth form" and the "upper sixth form" (the reasons for this rather than "sixth form" and "seventh form" are too long to explain in this comment). When, later, the less prestigious schools started having kids who wanted to do sixth form (and were qualified to), many towns set up a sixth form college, sometimes consolidating all the schools there, and sometimes just the ones that didn't have their own sixth forms. These are usually strictly academic and teach primarily A levels - roughly the equivalent of AP classes in the US. Note that English students complete their "general education" requirements at the end of Year 11 with the "General Certificate of Secondary Education" or GCSE, and neither sixth form nor English universities have general education requirements for attendees - instead, you complete general education before you apply to the university. For most people who went to uni, this is what they will be referring to when they say "college".
2. Further education colleges. These are similar to US "community colleges". They traditionally offer night school classes and various technical and vocational training. Apprentices traditionally have certain classes at the FE college. They also traditionally offer training courses for employers to send employees to, some or all of which are available as adult education to independent learners. Many FE colleges have also branched out, some offer A levels, the same as sixth-forms (some towns have merged their FE college and sixth-form college into a single institution). Some offer "access" courses, which are ways for mature students to get into university without qualifications from school. Some offer full university degrees (BAs and BScs) accredited by a nearby university. FE colleges are incredibly diverse institutions and it's very hard to generalise about them.
3. Constituent colleges of universities. Some universities operate on the collegiate model, where the university runs lectures and laboratory classes, while the colleges provide tutorials and seminars, Academics are all members of a college as well as the university, and will do tutorials and seminars in the college and then have a university-level courseload (of lectures, usually) as well. Colleges have physical buildings and students will normally be resident in the college. Academics will usually have their offices in the college, and there will be some who reside there as well. This is how Oxford and Cambridge work. The University of London was supposed to work like this, but they never set up the university-level departments, so each college is effectively a separate university (things like "University College London", or "King's College London" are effectively independent universities, but they are all nominally part of the University of London). As a result, while "College" is in their official name, people tend not to call them "colleges", but "universities".
There are other institutions that have "college" in the name, but no-one would refer to them as just "college" or "a college"; only as part of the full name. These include: some university departments (so there might be "the University of X College of Law" but in the next city it's "the University of Y Law Department"), some (usually older and more prestigious) high schools (for instance, Eton College is the official name of the school)
I know what you mean about having to make decisions too early. My daughter is only 15 but already has to think far ahead at what she wants to do later on and it definitely causes her quite a degree of stress, which I don't think is at all healthy for kids of that age.
In some UK universities you are required to take one or more 'subsidiary' or 'ancillary' subjects as part of your undergraduate degree. The subject usually has to be within the same faculty, and takes up part of your first year. I did a zoology degree, with ancillaries of geology and physiology.
Interesting! Our general education requirements in the US can be so totally different to your degree...I like the idea of taking subjects around it.
Likewise. I did Education, English and Classical Studies and eventually opted for Joint Honours in the latter two after my first year. That was standard in the University College of Wales B.A. at the time.
I'm not sure if this happens at all universities in the UK, but at mine (Uni of Birmingham) we got to pick a "widening horizons" module in our first year... so for example, my degree was in biochemistry, but I could take one module in anything else e.g. French, Physics, Psychology etc.
That seems pretty common is quite a lot of fields, unless you are doing something vocational like medicine - or drama, at the other extreme.
In India, 1 - 4th standard (grade ) is primary school , 5-10th standard (grade ) is high school . 11 and 12th is called PUC (pre university college) . Undergrad education is called college for engineering college, medical college.
TBF, you did go to 'college' in the UK, in that UCL is a component college of the University of London (the other meaning of the British sense of 'college', an organisational sub-unit within a larger university).
I got into university through clearing on A-level results day without having applied anywhere else. We all usually apply to university through a nationalised University and Colleges Administration Service (UCAS) where you can apply to up to 5 unis (I think). At least at my sixth form, we started writing personal statements in September/October before the deadline in December. Your predicted grades are converted into UCAS points, and universities will ask for a minimum amount of points to be accepted. Unis will also look at other awards you have and convert them into points; I had certificates from ballet exams, music, Girl Guides and did an Extended Personal Qualification that were all converted into "extra points" as it were.
I wasn't sure what I wanted to do so I didn't bother applying anywhere, but I did a lot better in my exams than I thought, rang up my city's uni and ended up doing an LLB Law with Criminology. The way my degree was split was 3 law modules a year with 1 criminology module; there are a lot of degrees you can "major" in and take a "minor" as well, but usually the subjects are related e.g. you probably couldn't do a degree in Art History with Statistics.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights and watching! So interesting about the degrees you can do additional subjects in. In the US, we could major and minor in two completely different things and many did.
I got really anoyeed that some professional recruiters , despite me and others getting firsts, sifted applicants for jobs based on UCAS A level points, I basically sodded around during A levels , and really did not get the hang of studying , and had poor A level results, , but got the hang of it for the degree - doing better than most at that college for the stuff I had flunked the A level subjects (well I got low passes - got firsts at the degree course items ). The recruiters also for some proffessional exams which I did post degree - wanted first time passes - which i did not have - basically I read three papers but put myself through five each time without reading anything (and I got 40percent on the subjects I had done NO reading on, but one paper I practiced and still failed three times - (UK Taxation - funny thing was I ended up doing tax consultancy for a mis-sized company - doing stuff even the Inland Revenue did not understand.
Just to add to that, everyone has 5 choices of Courses (so you can choose 2 courses from 1 Uni, which will count as 2 choices, however some Unis don’t allow choosing 2 course). A person can only choose one Oxbridge course ( Oxford and Cambridge course).
Your application is based on your personal statements, predicted grades (A levels), admission test (required by specific Unis or specific courses, like Medicine and Law), and interview if your Unis want to run one.
For A Level (a bit like high school senior in the US), a student chooses typically 3 to 4 subjects ( you can choose more if your Six form college allow that). Your predicted grades will be for all of your chosen subjects.
If a Uni want you, they will give you an offer, which will list the requirements you need to reach. This will usually be like: you have to to get 3 A*, or you have to get 4 A, which should include an A* in Maths.
11 to 16 - secondary school/high school (do GCSEs or International Baccalaureate); 16 to 18 technical college/sixth form (do A-levels); 18 to 21 University; 21+ masters or professional institute (like Legal Practice Course to become a solicitor).
At the age of sixteen you will (normally) have your GCSEs. From here you can either to go college which normally does more practical stuff and get a b-tech or sixth form where you do a levels. Colleges are separate things whereas sixth forms are the upper two years of secondary school. Also at college i believe it is more independent than sixth form however sixth form still has perks from the lower years in secondary school such as (in some schools) no uniform a common room etc. You can go to uni through either a levels or a btech.
Thank you so much for sharing your insight and answering some questions! Appreciate the clarification!
Hi! I've lived in England all my life, I'm currently in first year of uni and I'm planning on studying abroad in the states in my second year, which is why I'm watching this video. I can provide some insight on life in UK a bit more, but you're practically spot on! Sixth form is an extension of secondary school and in most sixth forms you can only do certain A-Levels and B-techs, whereas college has a wider variety. I left my secondary school at 16 because it didn't have the funding to do a subject that I wanted to study at A-Level. Generally colleges have more funding because they specialise in doing A-Levels and B-techs (not GCSEs) so they can teach more subjects. The fees in the UK vary depending on where you live. If your Scottish, uni is free, however if your from Northern Ireland, Wales, or England and go to a uni in Scotland, you will have to pay £9250. Similarly, if your Northern Irish and go to uni in Northern Ireland, fees are lower, and the same is for Welsh people going to Welsh unis (I think). The first year 'counting' entirely depends on what uni you go to, but yeah you do have to pass each year, which is 40%. At my uni, first year accounts for, from the top of my head like 20% of your final grade, then second year would be 30% and then third year would be 50%. It's expected that you get better over the three years which explains the higher percentage. As I will be studying abroad next year, my second year doesn't count, so my first year will account for 40% of my final grade and my third year 60%. These numbers are all rough estimates. I know this comment is a few years late, but I really loved your video, and I'm looking forwards to studying in the USA next year and experiencing the sports atmosphere!
I agree with you that the UK system requires students to figure out and specialise in what they want to finally do, far too early. The GCSEs you choose at 14/15 can determine what A levels you're eligible to take, which then directs you towards certain subjects at uni. Having a broader choice, even at uni, is a much better system.
The kind of UK college you describe in the video is specifically a "sixth form college", i.e. a college some people attend instead of attending sixth form at a secondary school. However we also have other kinds of colleges, places where you could go to learn a technical skill such as catering, or an adult could catch up on GCSEs if they didn't pass them at school, or an employer could send a group of employees for a day's training of some kind. They're sometimes called community colleges, or "further education" colleges (as opposed to "higher education" which is what you do at university, i.e. degrees and so forth). Some colleges do a wide range of different types of courses, others are more specialist.
Thank you for sharing your insights!
I went to Uni in Scotland and my favourite things about it were
1. I started a 4yr BA Honours Degree in 3rd year (skipped 2yrs thanks to 2yr college course in relevant subject)
2. I didnt pay tuition (only took out student loans for living expenses - I dont have to pay back unless earning over 20k)
3. Didnt have to do dissertation as my class were asked to partake in an international level business competition and submit a graded report (3k words only) on our project for the competition.
4. We partied hard from the age of 18 and halls of residence were drunk af most nights
5. Finally - Attendance isnt taken in Scotland during lectures, only tutorials (smaller group study - one on one time with lecturer/professor) So if you were hungover and your 2hr lecture was at 9am, you didnt have to go.
There is one uni that we all attend, there is only one qualification to attend, it costs nothing, the course never finishes and there is only one thing at the end. It is the university of life.
🙌 Comm major!! 😁 Definitely different in the US. I'm VERY proud of my education and where I went to school. I attended the Edward R. Murrow College of Communication at Washington State University. So, a college WITHIN a University. That's a big difference, too. And yeah, I went to the football games and I still cheer for them, but for me, it was my SCHOOL pride. I loved my very special residence hall and lived there all four years - president and all that. I get excited when I hear of kids going to school at WSU and remembering my exciting four years there. It's where I met my husband, too, so it's just a big part of our life. GO COUGS!! 😊
Most schools in the UK do now have a 6th Form where you can continue on in the school and do your a levels whoch tend to me more academic, however you can leave and go to college where you tend to study something nore vocational. I did both because my A Level grades were bad so when to study Childcare at 18-20. Also in the UK you can attend college at any age
It's worth adding that when you submit a university application, you will also have to make a personal statement, which might outline why you particularly want to study a particular subject, and what hobbies, interests or achievements you have. Universities do consider what contribution you may make to the institution, so if you don't make your predicted grades, they may stretch a point if they think you are a worthwhile catch.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing!
Depends on the institution, some indeed do like the idea of the personal contribution, one of mine did not bother as such , mainly as its funding was to educate those who might miss out, just a chat that i would actually benifit from doing the course and not be a total failure learning and personally.
US have that and we call it a college essay
@@ninyqin7086 Actually a personal statement is quite different from a college essay! As someone who’s done both, a college essay is more about your life and your experiences, which may not always be academically relevant, while a personal statement is almost completely based off of your course and how dedicated you are to learning about it, as well as your extra-curriculars.
It depends on your degree. My BSc was in Chemistry which was hard work. My MSc was in Computing which was way easier
We had an assortment of 1st Degree markings, Some folk took Modular Courses - either related and stepped or totally unrelated, 2 main subjects a year over three years, coursework marked mainly , each course counted 1/6th to the overall degree. I did a sandwich degree - some had a year out in practical or industry - I had two six month placements ( some are even paid), which meant year 2 was a bit odd to everyone elses course as it straddled a Y2/Y3 of theirs. (well 600 of us did the sandwich degree - assorted subjects but some common teaching. Our college also had US exchange year students for the first two terms in some normal degrees, which made the Basketball Team for the Student Union great for two terms, and rubbish for the third.
Just a few things you didn't mention about the UK system:
You can hold offers from 2 universities until you get your results (one of them should be asking for lower grades as a backup). Only if you miss both offers do you need to go into clearing.
Also, I think you used "School" to refer to university at one point, and I know that's something that americans say. In the UK, school means somewhere you go as a child, so we wouldn't call a university a school.
And college here is mostly for people doing vocational courses, although some people do do A levels there and then go to uni.
I was thinking the same, but then it occurred to me I graduated from Leicester Business School, which was part of DeMontfort by the time I graduated..
You are quite correct, as ‘natives’ we wouldn’t talk about an undergrad as going to School, but within universities quite a few departments call themselves schools so for a fair few newbies school would seem to be the correct term.
I’m reminded of my next door neighbours growing up, a couple of newly immigrant brothers with their families including a boy who was my age, and naturally became a good friend until they moved away, and our lives went in different directions. My mother and her friends would talk about going into Nottingham (from our leafy corner of the suburbs) as ‘going into town’, but my friend always said he was going into the City, which my mother found somewhat amusing because somehow at the time it sounded wrong.. of course, our local busses all had ‘City of Nottingham’ painted on the side, and as we technically resided in a borough beyond the city limits, in reality he was more correct than we were.
Further education (FE) includes 6th form (in secondary school or college), vocational college and adult education.
Some schools don't have 6th forms, so their students leave at 16. They then either go to 6th form college until 18, or to vocational college until 18.
Some schools do have 6th forms; students can either stay there or go to an FE college. It's their choice.
The government wants students to stay in education until 18, but they haven't enforced this.
We take GCSE exams at 16 and A levels (or equivalent) at 18. You need certain grades to get into different universities.
In terms of the final grades there is rhyming slang for all the grades. So you aim for a Damien Hirst/Geoff Hurst, you get a pass with a Richard III/Thora Hird/Douglas Hurd and just make sure you don't get a Dan Quayle.
And don't forget the Desmond Tutu!
This is so helpful! I’m wanting to get my Masters in the UK after finishing my Bachelors here in the US 😎
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Deffo come over, you won't regret it as you will just focus on ya masters and the rest of your time is your time no need to worry about other classes to take etc..... Get ya'sell owa ere
Oh BTW, don't choose London to frigging expensive look in the midlands and North 😊
@@lordkabal2010 You clearly haven't attended a British University - and if you have - you should be ashamed of yourself as you are an embarrassment to the British system.
@@MrKeithblair nope didn't go to uni pmsl.... British system on what system are you referring to... Education, health, benifit, tax.... List is endless hahaha
I studied Chemistry at uni and only had as little as 10 hours of contact time (i.e. lectures and labs) in my final year when the expectation was that I would be spending most of my time working on my dissertation. Before then I think I had about 25 hours a week.
I went to college and university in UK.
I did not go secondary school here so for further study or other courses people go colleges.
Here people go for A level in college too then university.
My daughter went to a college for university in the uk as she went to Oxford. It’s the same for Cambridge and Durham universities. Bit confusing! 😄
Just want to make a small but important correction. UK universities use predicted grades to make a prima facie determination of whether someone is a suitable applicant. Most courses have a "standard offer" to use as a benchmark. So for example, a good university like UCL might have a course with a standard offer of AAA. Someone predicted DDE applying to that course would be rejected out of hand. However, assuming your predicted grades are reasonably close to the university's expectations, they will make you an offer of a place to study on the course which is effectively independent of your predicted grades. So someone predicted A*A*A could be given an offer of AAA - they don't have to meet their predicted grade, just the offer. A university may tailor an offer based on the merits of an individual application, how a course is recruiting, and a few other factors. So an especially strong applicant, might be given a lower offer than standard (say ABB), or even an unconditional offer, though this is increasingly frowned upon.
Sometimes an offer can even exceed someone's predicted grades - this is extremely uncommon (and getting more so), but isn't entirely unheard of. For example, if an applicant had some exigent circumstances giving them a poor predicted grade, they might be given the opportunity to outperform the predictions and get a place. This is unlikely to be by a substantial amount, however. Predicted grades are usually pretty generous, students are likely to fall below rather than above their predictions.
Sorry a bit of an essay… I seemed to do a mix of all the UK educational practises. I studied from 11 to 17 year old at secondary school. I did my first year of A-levels. And then left and went into work for two years. I then went back to college (as I was too old to return to school) and studied in national diploma which gave me the same level of qualification as A-levels. At the time your A-level results or diploma results gave you a score and the score had to be a certain amount to get into university. Because I had a few AS levels and my national diploma I went with over 500 points to my university which was equivalent of over 3As). I then went to university and studied a BA and got a 2.1.
I left school feeling like I wasn’t clever enough to complete my A-levels. However when I went back to college, I only studied I subject (dance), I got fantastic results because I was applying myself both physically and through coursework. My A-levels at school were maths, geography and biology and that was it.
Another point worth making is having had two years out I came back to college with a completely different mindset to learning and education and I got straight distinctions throughout my national diploma which was a huge morale boost!
Last point with regards to getting into university. I received an unconditional offer to go to university rather than a conditional offer. Therefore they were affectively saying they were taking me as I was and I didn’t have to have any results to get in.
The way I see it as a european the universities are a business for profit in the us, it is not so strict because you are paying for your own education, of course the uni want you (your money), while in europe the education is "free" or involves low fees, in a way you have to earn it by having good grades
I admire anyone who gets a degree .
I left school at 15 and it took me 20 years to climb the tree as my academic abilities were rubbish
And there's me who moved to Canada and missed out on freshers week, cause the uni I go to is sooo boring and broke. My first year fair was actually really fun and there were a lot of stalls, but it's been, 📉📉📉 from there😭
I used clearing to get into a better Uni than my first choice, since my actual grades were much better than predicted. I suppose I should have studied across the year and not just in the last term but it all worked out in the end.
I've heard that one of the reasons our courses tend to be shorter than American ones is that American universities often presume that students will also have jobs, is that right? (I suppose some will need them with the much greater fees to pay!) In the UK some students will have a Saturday job or spend a couple of evenings a week working in a bar, but it would be unusual for a full-time student to do much more than that.
There is however usually the option to do courses part-time, which is pretty common at postgrad level, so a Masters degree might take 2 years or more. I'm currently doing one which takes 3 years because everyone on the course works full-time but there's an arrangement with our employers (who are paying the fees) for approx. 1 day a week to be freed up for study.
No... some students have small part-time jobs like you described UK students having, but a student having a full-time job outside of school would be really strange. American college (aka university, the two terms are interchangeable in the US) is big on the experience (sports, student government, sororities/fraternities, etc.), so students couldn't really have time for jobs. Lots of students have scholarships or student loans. Unless you're going to Harvard or some other high-brown ivy league private university, it's not difficult to get a decently priced, or even free, education. I never had to take out a loan until I pursued post-graduate studies.
@@emobx02 Ah okay thank you!
Colleges tend to be more vocational in the UK as opposed to academic. Although you can get a degree at some UK colleges.
I was fortunate that I was able to do a couple of extra modules instead of a dissertation. That would have severely cut into the £1 pints and my Championship Manager 01/02 career. Do almost nothing all year then cram for the final exams and get a 1st. That's the British system.
in the UK the only university sport that is followed is rowing and is followed on national television is the Oxford and Cambridge boat race run near easter each year just the two boats on a course on the themes. The winner gets the glory these universities also field Rugby teams and cricket teams, which play in the county league, not football it is so working class
Cambridge University comprises 31 colleges; the oldest, Peterhouse, was founded in 1284. Oxford is the same - a university of colleges. Back in the days of yore, I think they were all separate, but now come under the aegis of one organization. I post all this just to confuse you even more ;O)
I don't think it is just grades that will get you in to a top tier university - there's the personal statement on your UCAS application and possibly an interview. Some courses look for relevant work experience or voluntary experience eg a social work degree. And I think Oxbridge has entrance exams too.
Former polytechnics that converted to being universities tend to be easier to get into.
Clearing - sometimes courses are under-subscribed, or there are spaces because applicants with conditional offers fell far short of those offers. You can then ring round on the day the results come out and see if they will take you.
Many undergrad courses can be taken as 3 year courses or as 4 year sandwich courses with one year of work experience in the middle.
The teaching style varies from university to university. I went to a former polytechnics to study computer science. Each module would have a weekly lecture and then practical exercises in a small group tutorial. Some courses have group seminars too.
There would be one or more written assignments which, together with an exam, would give you your module grade.
For the assignments you might be encouraged to read around if you wanted to get a high grade.
I think some unis eg Oxbridge encourage much more independent learning than I experienced.
1st - 70% +
2:1 - 60-69%
2:2 - 50-59%
3rd - 40-49%
Fail
There is certainly a bigger drink culture here in the UK but most people support there home town football side, rugby side, not all though some follow a big team that they like to watch play at the weekend or on tv
Drinking at College . Uni in UK is relatively less , mostly as you have so much work to knock out that you dont get time. Depends if you are in residences in places like Brunel, Keele or Loughborough where the town is a hike away so its mostly the studen union bar/s.
I don’t know about that MAYBE in adults, but I’m more than sure high school and college students in the US drink far more😂. Especially underage drinking
@DA-db9bi, you're literally well known for being lightweights
It's not necessarily the case in the UK that you have to pick solely one subject to study. Some people do joint honours, ie 2 subjects. I personally entered uni on a "combined honours" programme, which meant that I did 3 subjects in my first year, then at the end of the year chose one to drop, and went on to get a joint honours degree in my remaining 2 subjects.
Even if you're only doing one subject, it's not unusual to be required to do a couple of modules in something else, especially in first year. Sometimes that's something specific and complementary (e.g. Physics students being required to take some maths courses), other times students get to choose from a whole range of possible subjects. What would be very unusual though is for, say, an English Literature student to be required to take a science course. It *might* be available as an option but if the student didn't want to do a science they could just choose something else.
For Eng Lit, History or Politics would be complimentary
You apply to university (six universities) through UCAS with predicted grades. You get offers from those six universities and you select a main and second offer.
If you get the grades for your first choice, then you get in there. If not, but you have the grades for your sending offer, you get in there. Only if you fail to get the grades for either of those do you go through the Clearing system.
Even then there may be some room for manoeuvre. One of your choices may let you in anyway, if you got grades only slightly below what you were predicted.
I'm not sure what the points system is these days, but back in the 90's when I did it, my first choice uni wanted 14 points, my backup choice 12.
I got 12, but my first choice offered to let me in anyway. As it happened is changed my mind about which uni I wanted to go to, so went to my second choice anyway.
I did geology too
I chose it for A level as I'd had that teacher for GCSE science, and he was a laugh. I enjoyed the A level, so I did it as a degree at uni.
That was a foot in the door for industry. After six years I stepped away from geology into other areas of the industry based on experience. Doing a degree doesn't lock you into a career in that subject. It just opens an opportunity to start with.
I am a UK resident, I find your videos interesting. Watching this one, I felt that I should explain something about Uni fees. We have Student Finance which is a form of loan, this covers your fees (£9,250). You also get an additional Living Allowance, the amount varies according to how far away from your home you will be studying. If you study in your home town, you'll be expected to live at home. It is also based on your parents income as they are expected to support you to a degree (the more they earn, the less the student gets). As regards to the loan, this only needs to be paid back, once you start earning a salary of over £25,575. You only pay on what you earn OVER this amount at a rate of 9%. for example if you earn a salary of £25,675, you pay 9% of £100 (£9). this is true no matter what the fees are, even if they're £100,000. You would still only pay £9. The loan is in effect for 30 years, after this time any remaining balance is written off. Only the top 17% of earners will ever pay the whole loan. The amount you pay is taken directly from your salary, just like a tax. It has no affect on any credit rating.
Thank you so much for your insights and watching - student loans are definitely a huge difference and appreciate you sharing!
I think you've over-simplified the British system (and note that the Scottish system is somewhat different from England and Wales). For instance, while a Masters might be one year, it's a full year including the summer vacation, 180 credits compared with 120 credits for a full undergraduate year.
And there are also undergraduate Masters degrees in Engineering and some science subjects, which are 4-year undergraduate degrees and which share some modules with the equivalent Bachelors. If you want to become a professional engineer, you should really aim to get an MEng.
Standard grades for undergraduate degrees are 40% and above for pass/third, 50% and above for lower second class degree (2:ii), 60% for upper second class degree (2:1i) and 70% for a first class degree.
Colleges are not just Further Education colleges. Oxford, Cambridge and Durham Universities are made up of a group of colleges which are most definitely higher education institutions.
The English only comment is not quite true.. or at least it wasn't when I did my Batchelors in Scotland. I had to take 4 subjects in 1st year, then dropped down to 2 by 3rd year ( I did a joint honors degree). The Masters degree obviously was a very focused 1 year in England.
I went to uni up north and did my phd at UCL, I thought London would be more fun but it was so hard to make friends I hated it. I think that's what really matters
I would like to live in USA, but for now I have more opportunities to get into a UK uni. I want to know if it's good enough and if I will be able to move if I want later, or get masters in USA after getting a Bachelor degree in the UK
Really interesting differences between the two! As an extention of the things you talked about, I thought it might be interesting to mention some differences between PhDs in the UK and US, having just submitted my PhD in the UK. In the UK, we call the piece of work you have to complete for your PhD a "thesis" which is up to 100,000 words. A "dissertation" is the piece of research that bachelors and masters students have to complete and are typically no more than 10,000-15,000 words. In the US I believe the PhD piece of work is referred to as a "dissertation", like you said. I think this confuses a lot of people!
As far as I'm aware (though I'm not 100 % sure), the US have grad school programmes that take 5/6/7 years, where people have to take courses for grades as well as doing their actual research projects. In the UK, a PhD programme doesn't include any of this extra coursework and is purely only about your specific research project, it is all very independent and you are expected to be very pro-active about it. A PhD in the UK is generally funded for 3-3.5 years, with an extra, unfunded 4th year to finish writing your thesis before your final deadline. I hear a lot of US PhD students are really surprised when they hear that we complete PhDs in a shorter period of time here!
Sometimes up to 20,000 words for a Masters dissertation 😊
@@RosLanta Ohh really! Haven't heard of that!
@@RobynPinderify My Archaeology dissertation was 20,000.
A Scottish University Batchelors degree is 4 years. English Uni is 3 years.
One of the things you missed out which I think is important, is that UK universities treat students as adults.
In the US, they seem to continue to be treated like children who need a lot of guidance/looking after.
Having to share dorms/rooms like a child is something that shocks Brits.
Here, you are responsible for your own learning, and even though most unis have single room campus accommodation for 1st years,if you want it, you are very much encouraged to find your own place after that.
The whole ethos behind going to university in the UK, is learning to become independent adults.
Many universities in the UK are crap (sorry but it’s true), only Oxbridge and maybe King’s college are good and world-known. The US has a range of different universities that are known world-wide that, believe me, definitely don’t treat the students like children 😆 Plus, what rubbish are you saying that students in UK unis don’t share a dorm? That’s the worst lie i’ve ever heard. For those who can afford to pay extra, yes, they get their own dorm, otherwise you have to share a common room AND bathroom with a few other people, so don’t go insulting other countries if you don’t know everything!
@@ocean_princess they mostly get their own room these days - there's a little bit of confusion over terminology there. "only Oxbridge and maybe King’s college are good and world-known. " - UCL? Durham? St Andrew's? Edinburgh? Have a look at the comparative tables some time. We more than pull our weight in terms of high-ranking universities on a global scale.
@@gillothen8913 still not as great as so many of the universities in the US 🤷♀️
@@ocean_princess Take a look at the global top 200 and per capita the UK does very well. Admittedly we are slipping as much of the world is aggressively investing in HE whilst we whistle in the wind...
The sharing dorms thing is part capitalism for sure but the US puts more emphasis on cultivating a community, meeting new people and not staying in your room all day.
College's are more vocational or further education and are local to where you live, and they aren't residential.
Personally, although I have some residual pride in my alma mater, I don't really express that outwardly, and I certainly don't own any branded clothing from my uni. What I do continue to take a great deal of pride in, having graduated four years ago, is the society (club) that I was most involved with at uni. That is partly because my society was affiliated with my political party, but also because it was through that society that I established very close friendships, and we continue to hold reunion events at least once a year. So whilst perhaps most British uni graduates aren't as attached to their uni for life as some Americans are, the social connections we make at uni can be very meaningful.
Regarding fees, there was a time in the UK when there were no fees! When I went in the 70's you were given a student grant to pay for your books etc and to help with accommodation costs if you were studying away from home. So in effect you were paid to go to university! Things have changed a lot! Love the channel btw!
That sounds incredible and a great thing - wish we could go back to that! thanks for watching!
I study nursing in wales and I don't pay fees due to the NHS bursary x
I did seven years at University, BSc, MSc, PhD and didn't pay a penny either for fees, food and lodging due to my family circumstances. That said, a far smaller proportion of the population went to university back then.
@TheRenaissanceman65 It was 5% of school leavers at that time, I got a full bursary because my father died a few months before I went to university. He was a teacher, my mother got no pension because he had died just short of 25 years service, the teachers union picked up all the extra costs of my education.
The number of PhDs was vanishingly small in those days.
Kept ypu off the dole, my son more recently did 3 year apprenticship first 2 years at college did OND/HND in engineering !! plus workplace during the holidays. Now working for silly money on the railways , pulling in three times what I used to get !
Neither my first of second year counted to my degree - everything came down fifteen hours of exams in my final term.
Ouch! We had a 30%/70% split between 2nd and 3rd year, which included 2nd year coursework and exams. No exams in the final year, just a dissertation and a defense as a presentation.
@@stuartcarden1371 - it worked out for me as, as I was able to up my game over the three years, taking it pretty easy in year one and two and pulling my finger out in year 3.
When I did a UK degree, you could fail an "BA Honours Degree" course and be awarded an Ordinary BA Degree, before you were bad enough to fail completely.
There is no difference. An hons degree is basically just a regular degree. All passes or fails are the same. Anything below 40% (usually) will be a fail. If you do pass and graduate it will be as an hons degree. It's just another name for a degree is all. At least that is how it was for me back in the mid 90s. I couldn't say if it has changed since then, although I'd doubt it.
I did an honours degree, but my grade ended up being below the honours (I. E. Below a third) and just have a bachelors degree. Nearly a fail but not quite
No, a degree without honours is less than an honours degree. It can (or could) be achieved by passing with fewer points (I can't remember if it's 30 or 60 points below a full honours degree), or by not completing a dissertation.
It might be that not every uni would allow a student to graduate with an ordinary degree, rather than an honours - I'm not sure.
I was at uni in the '90s and I know that it was possible at my uni, though discouraged.
Left school age 15 by 16 was down a coal mine northern England , none at my School went on to higher Education
So what's your point?
@@MrKeithblair I f,ink I said it. No option
At university, I actually met an American girl - who obviously had American friends back in the US - and it seemed like their exam schedule etc is much more intense than it was in the UK for me (and a lot of my friends).
Hmm, interesting! Thanks for sharing! I feel like in the US we tend to have "mid terms" and then exams at the end of each term whereas in the UK it seems like exams are mostly just at the end of the year, even if you took the course last term? Is that right?
@@GirlGoneLondonofficial My knowledge of the US system isn't great.
The UK only has exams in January and then at the end of the academic year (May-Jun).
@@Jaiykk that's going to vary hugely depending on course and institution, though.
American system seems more commercial. Sports and college shirts as ads.
Hi Kalyn, what is the how much does cost to bring an American to the UK?
I am trying to figure things out and I want to get some info. I have an A.S. from the U.S. however, I would like to get my bachelor's degree in the U.K. Since an associates degree takes up two years already, does this mean that if I transfer to a university in the U.K. that I only have one year left to earn a B.A.?
You would have to talk to the University you want to apply to and figure out which of your credits would transfer. Considering US schools tend to fill the curriculum with generals I would assume you would still have to do 2 years to finish your Bachelor's in the UK.
Woo hoo! Former UCL grad! :)
I did a combined degree so could choose random modules like anthropology i.e. chimpanzees lol. Also my course was mainly course work and very few exams. So it really depends on the course/university
College in UK means high school.
May want to consider or cover Scottish Universities. Because the system is a bit like the US system where first two years is general education.
I guess that makes sense, the US run their colleges like high schools.
Classes that are irrelevant to your major, controlling students accommodation, food and utilities. Also forcing them to socialize through mandatory sports and activities.
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Mam among US and UK undergrad college. Which is best for over-all student experience. Which has most chilled life, have best parties, girls and sex life etc.
Still a lot of snobbery associated with British Universities? My friend has two BSc's, one in Math's and one in Business Management and works for a traditional financial institution as a senior manager. However these qualifications are from a modern (ish) University. People joining his institution, that have degrees from 'Oxbridge' in subjects as 'useful' as Theology, are immediately fast tracked to become executives within a few years and are on silly money? So, even today, it's still a case of 'Jobs for the boys'.
In summary, it sounds like college in the US is an extension of high school.
And in the UK if you have an Oxford University shirt you are definitely a tourist - if you attend you might have something from your specific college.
It depends on what you mean by college being an extension of high school.
Does a UK degree automatically translated (recognised) in the US?
The problem with the word “college” is that it means lots of things. Firstly, it is just something that operates “collegially”, that is, a group of professional people who operate together, to the same overall end, each having their own responsibilities, powers. and duties, but having the same status between themselves. This does not have to be educational or academic, but often is. In this sense, I am on old member of Hertford College, one of the many colleges in the above sense that make up the University of Oxford, so, as a Master of Arts of the University, I am also a senior member of the University. So I went to both College and University. [It is worth noting that at Oxford, it is the Colleges that give the University its authority, not the other way around]. However, the term “college” was also appropriated by many private schools, mostly secondary schools, teaching 10-18 year olds, but not all. Over the years, some of these were taken over by the public sector, and other such schools simply aped them and called themselves colleges. Then again, there are “Colleges of Further Education” and “6th form colleges” which provide education for the 16+ age group (which is “tertiary education”. Therefore, in the UK saying “I am going to college” could mean a lot of things, and is therefore meaningless unless qualified. The same is true of the term “school” which can encompass any place where education of whatever sort is done, from reception class at nursery school to the London School of Economics (which is a university college constituting part of the University of London). “School” also means nothing unless qualified. Is this clear?
Your description of US undergraduate life horrifies me. We had exams (6 three-hour papers) at the end of year 1 which were either pass or fail. These were only to weed out people who shouldn't have been there in the first place, or were incredibly lazy. These did not count to your class of degree at all, and had only passing relevance (if any) to what you studied in the remaining two years (6 terms). In each of the remaining six 8-week terms, you studied for two papers, and there was a three-hour exam in each of them at the end: no interim grading having any impact on your final result. There was one 1-hour tutorial per week in each subject (so two per week) with your tutor in that subject. Lectures were available, but none was compulsory. I only went to one series of lectures in that two years, because I was interested in the subject, but it was of no relevance whatsoever to the subjects I was taking. As you said, students are expected to take full responsibility for their own learning, and, at Oxford, this is taken literally.
Grading is interesting. We did not have marks as such, just grades. In Greek. A grade might be alpha beta +++ (that a marginal 1st, possibly 2nd class), or beta +++ (good 2nd class), or sometimes more difficult to work out alpha ?---(+). Sports of any description were for the “hearties” and hardly anyone had any time for them.
Loughborough Probably THE university for sports minded (and active) people. Though most Weds Afternoons were for sports in most Colleges around the UK - Cricket in the Summer, Rugger or Soccer in the Winter . Swimming , Basketball and Boating for others.
Oxford and Cambridge universities operate a system so different from the rest of English universities as to be almost from another planet.
@@gillchatfield3231 When I was at College I was in Oxford - The company I was working for had Sweat Shirts Made up - "The Other Oxford University" - We sold them to Students at Oxford Polytechnic (which I think is now Oxford Brooks University?).
@@gillchatfield3231 I Forgot I think I might have joined with a couple of Oxford Uni spcieties - I cannot recall - I should have done more as I think I could have under inter-institutional arrangements when I was working in Oxford - I was due though to work in Birmingham too but we extended the work in Oxford and I only spent 2 weeks in Birmingham covering for advertising for National Express Head Office - Ironically next door to the Computer I was using via Telephone Link at Oxford - we were not leading edge due to Govt Funding (or lack of).
@@gillchatfield3231 there is a small number of other collegiate universities which are partway between Oxbridge and Redbrick - St Andrews and Durham come to mind.
UK vs usa which is better to study for aerospace engineer course
Am I to understand that a lot of scholarships are awarded to students based on their sporting ability, however, most colleges sports are male based sports, therefore, giving male students an unfair advantage over females in getting a scholarship, is this correct and do you think it fair, cheers 👍
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What you describe as a holistic approach to intake and university pride, might be considered elitist in the UK. Britain has an historical class culture, which it is trying to shake off. That's why British universities tend to focus on grades. However snobbery does still exist.
Interesting! Thanks for your insights!
I Found Leeds wanted very high A level grades for engineering and similar. Oxford.cambrige , durham had/have their own entrance exams on top.
You went college in the UK, University College London, is a college of the University of London. Yes the UK does seem to make things deliberately confusing. Some Universities such as Oxford and Cambridge are made up of colleges (often with confusingly pronounced names), London takes this to the extreme where the colleges are almost independent Universities where UCL and Kings have nothing to do with each other other than some high level admin