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Electric Bus Conversion - Jay Leno's Garage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.พ. 2013
- Electric Bus Conversion. Macy Neshati takes Jay through Complete Coach Works' all-electric, zero-emission city bus conversion. It's homegrown ingenuity designed to revolutionize American mass transit!
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Beautiful D40LF!! I never knew an old Detroit D40LF could become electric. I miss the Detroit sound though
E40LF now lol
@@ryanreel8902 TransLink has an E40LF. So this would be a BE40LF (Battery-Electric)
I think this is the perfect use for electric vehicles. Excellent idea.
I love the D40LF buses!
Same!
Mississauga runs hundreds of them lmao
You mean E40lf
@@supermarkie624 Nah, it's a converted D40LF
@@supermarkie624 E40LF is already taken my the trolley version (it was facelifted)
I occasionally drive trolleybuses at a local museum operating from the 600v dc overhead, the UK had hundreds of them until the mid sixties and the last went in 73. They too had rheostatic brakes and were of course virtually silent and no pollution at road level. Battery buses like this are ideal for the cities and I think the recycling of the original structure is excellent.
and at the time nothing could beat the of the line from lights apparently
Perhaps the odd sports car :)
I'm old enough to remember the old trolley buses and probably went on one in '73. They could be a bit jerky when setting off as I remember. No doubt had they continued to use them they would have improved a lot.
I’ve ridden trolley buses in Seattle, Washington. Still have them in 2021, brand new ones came out few years ago. they have the 40 and 60 feet trolley buses.
Vancouver still has several trolley bus routes.
I love the passion of this guy. These people look forward. And this is 9 years ago. So awesome.
The roof of that bus is begging for solar.
+Snarky you can save weight with cutting metal roof,adding carbonfiber and solar panel...it would add to expenses but I think it would be worth
+Snarky absolutely not true, solar panels are not that heavy
+Snarky there are solar panels in pedal bikes and trikes
+Snarky No it wouldn't.
+coldcoldrain13 Yeah. And that would produce enough electricity to power the left blinker! But only on sunny days :(
I love that this is happening NOW, and kudos to Complete Coach Works for doing this. I work for "Big Brown," and would LOVE to not have to fool with the nasty diesel pumps at the end of the day... to say nothing of the noise, stench & unreliability of some of our trucks. The routes in my area go between 80 & 150 miles per day, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before we have them.
Ever notice that whatever Jay drives is always over the lane lines? LoL.
I searched comments to find someone mentioning this. He was over the line most of the time.
@BT well some one hass to be the king off the road driving 2 lanes :D
Yes, but I'm sure for a reason. I'm guessing it has to do with allowing the cameraman to get a good shot.
What a great idea to recycle and convert to electric! Well done guys! We need more of this!
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
@@user-cy6gf2pj7y Yes, but vehicle engines don't get anywhere near the efficiency out of fuel as power plants get. IIRC your car converts 1 unit of fuel [let's say natural gas powered vehicles for direct comparison] into energy at an efficiency of 20%. A Natural gas power plant manages 50%. Even with some energy loss from transmission [lets say we lose 20% in transmission... so only 40%, that is actually unrealistically high loss rate]... running electric cars off of batteries charged by central power plants will save you half the fuel and thus half the carbon output.
Incidentally, plug-in hybrid cars get closer to 25-30% efficiency out of their engines when charging the batteries because they can run at a perfect efficiency cycle rather then the less perfect cycles straight internal combustion provides].
This is a great idea. Reusing and updating existing equipment.
I need my RV converted now, I love this kind of thinking.
I wonder if my housebus (converted school bus) could drive to California from Minnesota with this... Bah! Until charging stations are built across the country I'll have to stick to diesel. But once charging stations are up, battery capacity should be increased... That'll be cool once I'm able to convert it.
(I don't actually have the bus yet, I'll be getting it in 2020)
Range 80 miles. 4 hours to charge.
American ingenuity that is awesome, recycling and good for the environment. And no federal grant money we need more companies like this.
Jays so awesome. He can drive anything. Love it. Have a great day everyone
No comments? this bus is awesome! we should do the same thing in Europe.
We do.
dennis trident william I know we have Electric buses, I saw a couple in Copenhagen but I have never heard of one in Europe that was converted from a retired Diesel bus.
+Sohave in Britain we have an old 15 year old Dennis trident that was made electric and some more will be soon and it makes around 3000 foot pounds of torque
dennis trident william Cool In that case I take back my comment. I hope that many other nations will do the same to their old buses.
+Sohave We have lots of electric trains, if that counts
Another option is duo-powered electric bus which essentially is a trolleybus with onboard high-capacity battery capable of fast charging. However, it's also equipped with a pair of modern current collectors (trolley poles) you would see on a conventional trolleybus. While under the wires, the bus is directly powered by electric power drawn from overhead wires and at the same time, it is also charging a bank of onboard battery (usually lithium ion battery). The bus can go on battery with full load & air-conditioning running for up to 15 miles or more.
You only need to install overhead wires on certain segments of the route. For example, if you find the wires unsightly you have the option not to have overhead wires in the city centre or places of interests or popular for sightseeing for tourists, etc. You have the flexibility to have overhead wires only in the suburbs, housing estates whether the bus route is a cross-city route or radial route.
With this technology, you can completely eliminate the need for overhead wires in the city and only have them in the suburban segments of the bus route. When entering the city, the bus automatically disconnects from the overhead wires at a touch of a button by the driver, which lowers the current collectors and locks them down on the roof and continues its journey like a conventional electric bus inside the city area. Upon exiting the city, the bus enters the wired zone and raises its current collectors at the specific catchment area (usually at a bus stop), also at a touch of a button by the driver. Passengers inside the bus would not even notice the change of power source as this is done very quickly when the bus calls at a bus stop.
Compared with a conventional electric bus:
Carry smaller and lighter battery, no charging stations required, no time wasted on battery charging as it charges on the go, faster turnaround at the bus terminal if required by deployment, guaranteed continuous supply of electricity with parts of route under overhead wires, strengthened reliability, more attractive to commuting public as overhead wires indicates the presence of public transport & a sense of permanence.
Compared with a conventional trolleybus:
More flexible as it can operate independent of overhead wires for long distances like a conventional electric bus, eliminate the need for new overhead wires in the event of route changes or extensions (be it temporary or permanent).
With that, you get the best of both worlds. :)
Jere Cullen they are in use by septa in the city of Philadelphia no battery that i know of but if they lose the trolley poles they have a small aux motor not sure if it runes a generator or geared to wheels they were called trackless trolleys in philly. makes much more sense to do that than the 32 million 25 fed funds to install tracks and wires in Charlotte 1.5 miles
take a look at the gyrobus from the 1940s. It had most of the features you talked about. if it had better range it might have even replaced the trolly car.
I am in urban planning student concentrating in transportation and I really love cars, but I love that you've done something about public transit. good stuff
I was at the garage that day and got to ride on the bus with Jay at the wheel. He drove the bus really well. If the whole entertainer thing doesn't work out for him he would make a really good bus driver.
This would be an awesome RV
At 213 kWh, you'd have a rough time recharging that battery. 50-amp hookups can only provide 9.6 kW (assuming you have to limit yourself to 80% for continuous loads on those outlets, not sure if that's true), meaning you'd need a bit over 22 hours to go from empty to full. And then you've only got 120 miles of range (so, 2 hours of driving) to get to the next site to plug in for another 16-22 hours, depending on how far you go. And 30 amp only sites would be something like three days of charging.
I love EVs, but the numbers just don't add up here. Even an enthusiast would struggle to say they enjoy only being able to drive 2 hours before needing to stop and charge for a full day. Without serious improvements to power availability at RV camps, or huge efficiency increases in the RV, this just isn't an approach that works for most people.
@@Phoen1x883 Yea, I can see much-needed improvements need to be made...I can only see that working for those who don't go long distances & or are retired and have all the time in the world to dilly daddle....Still, the money your saving on gas seems like it would be so worth it...if you like poke along...& sometimes ya do.
Awesome to drive 80 miles a day at 55mph? Like an hour and a half?
Nice to keep that old bus going this way
Self funded? Wow
Mr. Neshati seems like a very astute chap. Knows the product inside and out, and explains things well.
so.... How many voltage is it?
360......
Oh.
Retired bus driver from Las Vegas, here. I agree with all of you commenting about room on the roof of this bus for solar panels. Even with the HVAC unit mounted up top, RIGHT ON! They may be able to extend the range of the bus that much farther with solar panels. Also, among the buses in our fleet back when I used to drive, the one you see here, the New Flyer D-40 Low Floor, was a real treat to drive. They had decent power, a nice ride, and handled surprisingly well for a city bus.
Jay is living out his fantasy of being Sandra Bullock in Speed. Wildcat!
6:36 "the engine compartment is kinda sexy" LOL
This is great! Reduce, reuse, recycle, re-purpose! There are a few hydrogen cell buses here in Halifax, NS, Canada. The rest are diesel. I've forwarded this video onto the transit authority, and the mayor. Thanks for sharing this Jay, and CCW!
I've been wanting to do this for so long. Glad somebody did it. I bet it could do a sweet burnout
I'm curious if that organization can offer their services to NYC. I'd LOVE to see that, considering the amount of diesel buses there.
They should put those solar panels on the roof of that bus for climates with a lot of sunshine.
Supercapacitors are being used in DC traction substations for streetcars and trolleybuses, they improve regenerative braking efficiency. When the energy generated by the breaking vehicle is not taken by another vehicle, it is not wasted in resistors, but taken by supercapacitors that feed it back to the section when it will be needed. Supercapacitors can charge up quicky and keep the charge for reasonable time before discharging. When you have regular, frequent service, they are a real benefit.
Rode two of the GILLIG versions of these in Frederick, Maryland. Pretty cool technology I will say. Really gives a new perspective on how you can rebuild vehicles to convert from diesel to electric with just months labor.
I can drive my friends to concerts. Thanks Jay. On my Christmas list. Very cool.
New Flyer did have electric trolley busses in operation in many cities in Canada and US, Boston still had some in 2007.
This is awesome and really good way to reuse things! Real deal!
i am so excited about this that i just might start learning about it enough to make my own ....
As with other electrics, super quiet!
+juntistik
Thats important in my book.
Jay straddles the lanes constantly.
I couldn't stop focusing on that.
He also missed everyone's stop.
Great work guys! It would make a nice change here in the u.k i live right near a bus route and the noise and fumes can be very strong
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
This is my favourite channel on TH-cam ,
Thank you jay
A fantastic business idea.
I think this is fantastic!
I really like this segment Jay. It was an excellent change of pace! :)
Thanks Jay for sharing,
Now that would be AWESOME!
We really need this hope they do it in the Caribbean
I think this type of technology is exciting. Thanks for sharing Jay
A while back I saw this bus in Kansas City, MO. This bus looks great!
2013 video, did they change bus market? Recycling old buses is AWESOME.
God bless Jay helping good businesses gather the rep they need
Very cool system design, nice finish work too! Most impressive!
I grew up in Dayton, Ohio in the 50's and they had electric busses that ran off of overhead wires. I don't know how far back the busses went but I do know that they had them into the 80's and maybe still do.
Thank you for the enlightenment. Wonderful idea.
This is one of the best things I have seen in a long time. And why would 55 people not like this. They must be some grezzzzzzy bastards from an oil company.
It's not climate change which will make gas and petrol engines obsolete, it's the fast development of electric motor technology which will do that.
I don't like noisy buses and the stink they produce.
Climate Change used to be global cooling caused by CO2 and then that didn't sell so they changed to global warming by CO2 and now for the same reason, climate change caused by CO2. Climate changes all the time. If you don't like the weather, just wait 30 minutes, it will change.
no vrum no fun :D
Microphonix Virtual Studio hahaha, idiot, short thinker was the word here.
wow this is great
Love this bus
Excellent. !
This looks better than its 4x the price counterpart.
Wow, amazing concept! Good luck guys!
Awesome.
I love this
Very Cool!!!!!!!
This is the future. Great video. They should go after the luxury Super-C and A-Class RV market.
Very Cool, Jay.
Jay makes for a pretty good bus driver!
Well, its fantastic that someone ACTUALY Promotes Electric Vehicles for they REAlL benefits.. Good one Sr. Jay Leno!... Just one thing, here in Portugal we've been running City buses on Natural Gas (actualy is LPG) for over 20 years, and electric Buses (conectrd to cables (similar to Metro roof cables) for more than 30 Years (means no batteries to recycle)... Finaly USA starts the conversion!
Wow. Soo cool.
I never thought i would watch this, but now i just did and im glad i did!
GreaT VIDEO!
The bus looks like a Gillig Phantom (but New Flyer) which has full floor space, (the riders can be seated over the wheel wells), and the floor is all one level. All the interior space is available for seating. My local transit co. is running 15 year old Gilligs and they are very quiet and dependable with few rattles or squeaks, little exhaust or air induction noise. The old Gilligs are far better than *some* of the newer buses the company has purchased.
It is good of Leno to run this story since we are not all running supercars or antiques...People are in love with the sensation of driving, the sensation of moving and looking at changing scenery?
GILLIG Phantoms are high floor, not low floor.
Tim Skoglund I agree the old Gillig Phantoms were much better. The first thing I noticed about them is that they're a lot quieter. My local bus company has almost completely retired all their Phantoms for some terrible New Flyers and Gillig BRTs, both of which run in to a lot of problems and even smell of exhaust in the interior sometimes.
Also used in urban trains - o/head wires can be thinner. Batteries take an electrical charge convert it into chemical energy & do the reverse - accept & discharge slowly. Each stage of conversion consumes energy. Supercaps take in electrical energy & store and discharge as electrical energy and do it fast without much energy lost. Once the physical size of supercaps are reduced they can replace batteries outliving the car. A car body may be a part of an integrated supercap saving space
Really cool work your doing. Here in phoenix like many places they use natural gas, but we do have a few shuttles that are electric with a small turbine generator. It sure would be good for a lot of big cities thats for sure. Thanks for sharing this!
jay leno drives everything lol i would have been nervous!!
It's a 1996 New Flyer! These are the buses with the number 600 that we are running on CNG here in Las Vegas, Nv. Listen to what Jay says at 4:20 about this bus being, "a 15 or 20 year old bus sittin' in a scrap yard". Or they could still be driving routs in Las Vegas! XD Look where he's driving at 10:28!! The poor guy next to him almost gets run off the road by Jay Leno!
a dream, i'm amazed !
*THIS* is American ingenuity.
useless
It only works in countries that have bleeding edge technology like.....electricity.
You're forgetting America is still the melting pot. Sure, there's plenty of opportunity to be this inventive in Iran.
No offense but I don't get how this is an American ingenuity. Science which makes electric vehicles possible is not really monopolized by America.
***** DAYM. i see you have experience with shitholes from when Tyrone ripped yours in jail.
These cars were sold in India even in the 80's and early 90's. My grandfather had 2 of them. Great memories...!!
In my city of Dayton, Ohio we have had electric buses for decades, though not battery powered. They are technically called trackless trolleys and get power from overhead wires. The trolleys are actually much faster than the diesel powered buses and last almost three times as long. We still had trolleys running in the 80s that were built in the 50s The fleet was modernized recently to coaches that can run on batteries for short trips in case of a problem with the power lines.
Awesome!
Work is ongoing combining supercaps & batteries into one case. A supercap bank in a hybrid will bring great results. The original 1997 Prius was scheduled to have supercaps.
The Wankel is being promoted as being the generator only engines for series-hybrids because of its smoothness, compactness & great power-weight ratio. Laser ign and other changes are in motion to improve the engine. Running at a constant speed the Wankel excels. Combine with supercaps and we have a winner.
Best Audio of all the other car vids. :)
clever idea!
This is so cool! Hope more people buy this.
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
Good stuff!
Jay,
Tesla did borrow 465 million dollars from the Department of Energy but paid it back in 9 years early with $20 million in interest paid to the D of E.
Instead of plugging in the bus to charge at the end of each route install in the pavement a wireless charging system which supplies the power to the vehicle with no physical connection. You can buy one today for a model S or X which charges at 7.7 KW per hour. It takes a little over an hour to install on any electric vehicle and while it would probably take overnight to charge the bus to full capacity it would allow the bus to charge a bit at each end of the route extending the buses battery before it needs a charge.
This is an amazing idea! Like they said drive trains wear out. Instead of replacing them with new ones that will wear out again. Why not do the conversion once they wear out?
Wow this is truly a different video then what I am used to seeing from you Jay but I like it.
i did not noticed that , thanks for the clue ! ^^
Brilliant re-use - Actually better than the original and a possible solution to so many transit challenges. Now how about a cross-breed with the Deco-Liner... 👍
whoa this would be a cool tiny home
you always bring the best cars in the world i would like to see if you could bring custom cars. like lowriders dunks and truly customized well thank you Jay for showing what is out there. I d like to meat you some day
Love it it! Another sustainable technology.
But the power plant that charges it still uses dirty coal and natural gas!
I grew up in Compton, ca. which is right next to Gardena, ca. and I use to ride the Gardena Transit Buses to get Home from time to time! Nice Electric Bus!...God Bless!
BTW...this is the Second time I've seen Jay Drive a Electric Bus!...I wonder does he have a Class B or Class A Commercial Driver's License?...I am Just saying!...I too use to Drive a City Bus (GMC's) and I also drove a "FootHill" Transit Bus during my Training!...and I had a Class B Commercial Driver's Licence!
Jay, I hope you do a segment on the Hydrogen powered buses being used in Palm Springs.
I like it!
Here in Oregon, a TON of electricity comes from Hydroelectric dams. (a clean, renewable energy)
And now, many of those dams are being blown up because of the environmentalists.
Wow nice
my city is using that same bus chassis , it be nice to see some all electric buses soon although we have alot of hybrid buses
Cool video!
Haha Jay is so concentrated driving the bus all he is saying is "right" "yes" on the bus ride... and I would be the same way! big difference going from that 1963 jagg to the bus
Cool stuff
In Aachen (Germany) the public transportation agency is using hybrid busses and they are pretty awesome. The sooner the smelling, noisy diesel leave the streets, the better.