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Thank you for this! After all these years, it's my first time seeing a secret dungeon and new game+ option! Very cool! I hope they include this in the remaster.
@@carloconsignado4065 No problem! I remember how excited I got when I saw it for the first time years ago. Sadly I don't think it will be included in the remaster, but maybe some modders will be able to mod it into the game.
Thanks, always looking for Suikoden 2 new things. I remember when I played for the first time I fought a Boss in Tenzas Pass after finished with the L'Renouille, but never shows up again, I looked in the internet for years but seems like nobody ever saw this boss, at least my brother was with me and he saw it too... Someday I hope I found it again and will upload pictures.
I don't recall any kind of boss in Tenzan Pass at that point in the game, and never seen anyone talk about something like that before. Dataminers have never made any mention of it either. But there is a hidden Chimera enemy in Tenzan Pass at that point in the game. It's normally disabled, but it can be enabled as an encounter with gameshark codes.
A runemaster shows up in the Sajah Village item shop after you've defeated the final boss, but before you end the game. She sells the highest tier elemental runes. Mother Earth, Flowing, Rage, Thunder, Cyclone. A lot of people always thought it was strange that she only shows up and sells powerful runes at the end of the game when there's no use for them. Her inclusion was intended for you to stock up on runes before starting NG+.
It can be a big hassle to set up, but truthfully once the hassle of setting it up is done, you can run through it in 5-10 minutes. It's just not worth it because there's no pay off and the game softlocks almost immediately into NG+
Thank you for making this video! My favorite game of all time and I had no idea the files were accessible like this / still on the game file!! Really appreciate the amount of time you spent making this and how well done this video is!! Man, I really wish they would’ve given Murayama & co. the time to finish this out. This would’ve been completely EPIC back in the day… should it would be epic now. Fingers crossed on Konami finishing this part out.
@@Caba-Rojo Glad I could help you learn something new about the game! It would've been incredible to experience a NG+ of this back in the day. It wouldve added so much replayability . It's a real shame they didn't have enough time to finish it and it ended up getting cut. I wouldn't hold my breath on it being included with the remaster, but hopefully some modders might be able to work it in.
Great video, I remember I saw those old videos you are referencing. This was very informative and interesting, I like this stuff. Lets hope we get that in the remaster, I know it wasnt in the leak but that was an unfinished version, would be nice to see added
Glad you liked it! I figured it was about time someone made a guide showcasing how to do it. Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that we'll get it in the remaster. It'd be cool if we did, but I doubt it will be included.
The rock that hid the entrance of the secret dungeon was completely scrapped in the Dev Build that was leaked 2 years ago for the Remaster. But I do hope they changed their mind in the 2 extra years they took to improve on the game. Finger crossed for the Hard Mode that was also selectable in that Dev build!
I assume so, cuz the game was pushed back so much that one may wonder why, and with the lost content of the original, I assume NG+ and the additional dungeon will be added. I assume when we get closer to the rerelease of the game(s) we will have information like "new added/restored content!" and it shows something about the tower, the cave, and like NG+ etc..
I wouldn't hold my breath on the dungeon and NG+ being added. Suikoden will have a 30 minute presentation at TGS next week. We'll probably find out more details there. The delay might have been caused by a change in personnel. The original reveal of the remaster showed Yasuo Daikai as the producer and Takahiro Sakiyama as the director, but the TGS page shows that Rui Naito as the producer and Tatsuya Ogushi as the director, while Takahiro Sakiyama is now the Suikoden IP and Game Director. I suspect a change and shift in personnel was the cause for the delay to address all of the concerns and feedback fans had with the initial reveal. So tune into TGS next week, we'll likely here more about the remaster there like the original games being included, and difficulty options like Hard Mode. But don't expect the dungeon or NG+, it'd be cool if they were added, but don't expect it or you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment.
Thanks for making this video! With the remaster coming out soon it's nice to see renewed interest in this game. Wrt your request for proceeding past the final soft lock I would honestly guess that there really is nothing else. Maybe they intended for there to be more options for a second playthrough, to let you change additional things ... who knows. But whatever it was it was clearly never implemented. The secret dungeon isn't done - it's all placeholder assets including most of the floor layouts, enemies ... everything. The best you could hope for would be the game simply playing out as normal, but with all the compounding bugs with spell animations, duplicated key items etc even that's unlikely. To get that experience just cheat in the items and exp you want. Maybe we'll get a true NG+ with the remaster but from what I've seen it's probably going to be just like every other cash grab "remaster" of a classic JRPG. Buggy, incomplete, barely updated. But who knows. Maybe they'll sell us a NG+ DLC.
This video was so interesting! I don't even know where to start... I guess my Jeane Theory crafting senses are tingling. (With the understanding, none of this dungeon is canon) I think we established that Jeane isn't Sindarian, however I can't ignore how I was just speculating she was "Some sort of human hydra" then the big door at the end of this Tower has a very literal 8 headed hydra on it. Adding to that, if I understood correctly, this "Rune of Circulating Paths" tells you that "Time does not flow for it" Who else does time not appear to flow for without a True Rune? Jeane. Did she simply have access to one? (Before the content was scrapped at least) The last thing I can't ignore is how in Sajah Village the Rune Shop can have a "Phero Rune" as a Rare Find. As far as I can tell according to Suikosource, Guardian Deity aside, Sajah Village is the only place you can even get a "Phero Rune". I find it suspicious that the only place in the game you can find an off shoot Jeane Rune is by this Sindarian Tower place. As far as getting New Game Plus to activate I can't help but wonder if the contents of the "Suikoden I" carryover save have any effects on whether the game freezes or not? Like does Humphrey's Windspun Armor break it? Does Victor being higher than Level 20 break it? Does actually using a Carryover File break it? Do you need a specific set up from Suikoden I AND watch the Full Color Cutscene by fighting 108 batches of soldiers at the start? If I ever have the spare time again I would love to tinker with this, this would be super cool to figure out. Unrelated to the Secret Dungeon, but I have to say this...53:45 "We've all seen this a million times before" My mind is actually blown right now. Somehow, I don't recall ever encountering this dialogue. I can't believe I never would have tried to just escape North instead of going East like Rowd says, but this interaction isn't familiar to me at all. Maybe the interaction was so mundane that I didn't register it in a playthrough that I saw it in before, but I booted up my own playthrough, and reading the dialogue gave me a serious adrenaline rush as though I was soaking in "new to me" Suikoden II content. It's unfortunate that the New Game Plus Dungeon doesn't seem like it will be in HD Remaster. Huge missed opportunity. I'm surprised they aren't milking it as DLC content at the very least. If the Release does well enough maybe we can badger Konami into it, but I wouldn't hold my breath
Even though it's cut content and can't officially be considered canon, the dungeon and everything surrounding it does give more fuel to your theory! You're right. There's so many factors to test with the New Game Plus functionality. So far I've only tested it with a 100% save where I've recruited all 108 SoD, imported S1 save data, done side quests, and been level 99. I tried with it and without doing the 108 fights for the colour intro. Does being a certain level break it? Does having all 108 SoD break it? Is it the S1 import that breaks it? Is the script just incomplete and broken regardless of what you do? There's still a lot to test to maybe get around it. Though I think the best solution could be if someone more knowledgeable on the technical or programming side of things was able to make a gameshark code to skip the flashback scene, getting around the softlock entirely. That 53:45 scene, I guess I've done it so many times I kind of just assumed it was common knowledge. Apparently it's not and it's still news to some! As cool as it would be to have it included in the HD Remaster, I wouldn't hold my breath on it being included, but fingers crossed some talented modders will be able to mod it in and get it working on the Steam version.
@@CulganValya To be fair I think the cutscene at 53:45 probably is common knowledge, I just somehow managed to miss it. I agree a Gameshark code is likely the best way forward since we need one to access this dungeon to begin with, I just can't help myself theory crafting with all this new information to me. Keep up the good work!
The snake motif, sindar ruins and an off-coloured save crystal that talks. Not sure why it would be the Circle Rune, because as I recall the sindar was cursed with immortality by the True rune of Change, the rune that allows the world to evolve but exempts the bearer, might have a curse that extends the effect beyond the bearer, similar to how the Soul Eater had a curse that forced the bearer to be alone (aka, people around them died all the time). The Snake motif and looping time.... all I can think about is the Ouroboros. while the Soul Eater is allows Life and Death to exist the Rune of Change allows life and death to affect the world, it might in effect be the rune of time. with that in mind, it makes sense the floors are identical, you move through the same again again, a time loop, not sure why its exactly 6 of those red orbs though... If the Rune of Change is in fact the time rune, which allows entropy and regrowth, it was pretty genious to use it for New Game+ :D
I brought up the Circle Rune just in case people might misinterpret the "Circulating" part of the runes translation to mean Circle. Just cutting off speculation before it happens. It could be the Rune of Change, or related to it somehow. It might be its own thing entirely. I suspect the Rune of Change is still in the possession of the Sindar leader, but no proof of that. It's a fun discussion though! So many possibilities that we'll never know.
arh okay :D The sindar Leader still possessing the Rune is possible, however, in this case "possession of" is relative, before the revolt in S5, the royal family was in possession of the Sun rune, its just not being worn. the same could theoretically be the case here, it is found in a sindar ruin so it is technically possessed by the sindar. something I just thought of is that this rune is one of the very few true runes that speak directly to someone (assuming it is a true rune, the Night rune also directly communicates, but that one is an oddball for obvious reasons :D ) the only thing that stops me from diving deeper into this (my mind might still decide to do so :D ) is that it is cut content, meaning all relations to it stopped existing the moment the boulder was placed. it is still amazingly cool to see this though :D
Its a shame they never completed the dungeon, or the New Game+ option. That would've made experiencing the Clive Questline so much more manageable. Still, I wonder about those ruins. From Suikoden III and on, we know the Sindar built ruins that harnessed the power of the True Runes to one purpose or another. I wonder if the ruins for the hidden dungeon were meant to house the True Rune of Beginning? It'd certainly be very thematic to the primary True Rune of this game if it's power allowed the bearer to begin again, even if that's only made evident in a games mechanic sort of way. Since the dungeon only seems like it was meant to be accessible after fighting the True Beast Rune, I wonder if there hadn't been plans to allow Joey to join Riou in it. Maybe once the credits rolled, the player would have been able to create a special save file that opened the hidden dungeon. That or, depending on the ending, Riou could've had both the Bright Shield and Black Sword Runes. Could see Leknaat making him aware of its existence. Plenty of possibilities to speculate on what it all could have been if only it had been finished. Just a shame it never was. Thanks for the video! Doubt I'll ever see the secret dungeon (unless a mod is created for it in the remasters).
Yeah, it's a real shame it never got completed and was cut. It would've added a lot more replayability to the game, and made for some interesting experiences allowing people to see the bonus scenes they might normally have never seen. It's possible. The ruins could've been built for the purpose of housing the Rune of Beginning as you said, it could very well fit with the theme. Perhaps the Rune of Circulating Paths was intended to be a True Rune itself. Sadly, we may never know. All we can do is speculate, not that it matters as it's likely not canon since it was cut. I hope it gets included in the HD Remaster, but I highly doubt that it will be. Fingers crossed that some talented modders will be able to mod it in and get it working.
I'm kind of up in the air about a New Game + for the remaster coming out. On one hand, I love having the cash and skills boosted already, on the other, Suikoden II was never a difficult game so I feel like it would just be too easy then. But, if they add new dungeons or hell, open it up so you can travel through Toran just to visit the old locations and see what's changed in the three years between 1 and 2 would be a nice New Game + featiure. I also really want them to remaster the rest of the Suikoden games. Maybe redo Suikoden IV all together
i pretty sure that somehow this village is needed for Clint final request, and to add another living city in Highland. no way it would only be Kyaro, right...
I don't know if it's been covered here or elsewhere before, but there is an enemy (or a few?) you fight somewhere near the end of the game that has the same gibberish as it's name. I want to say it's in a cave or maybe even in the Highland castle. Seeing this video reminded me of that and I wonder if they're somehow tied in to the removal of NG+ and the secret dungeon. Just code that wasn't updated or perhaps that enemy was supposed to be in the dungeon and didn't get removed from the regular game despite the dungeon being cut out. I haven't played this one in years and it was on the original PS... pretty sure I still have a copy lying around lol
You're referring to the enemies on Tenzan Pass. Sadly, there's no special story behind them. They were just untranslated in the North American version which is why their names are gibberish. They were fully translated in the European version. But there was supposed to be a third enemy there, a chimera. Which was in the games files, but was disabled for some reason.
i think i'll watch the video first. but the point is, if somehow, this game had another big secret like secret dungeon or new game+ content, someone must be able to find it. this game is loved by many. no way we never find it, if its accessible by design.
There aren't any other big secrets like this, but there are a few other smaller ones. The demo version of the game is in the games files. It's accessible through a gameshark code that changes the escape talismans teleport location to the demo instead. There's a hidden bathset item that's only accessible with a gameshark code. And there's a hidden rune called the Solitude Rune. It's also only accessible through a gameshark code. You attach it to your weapon, and the less people you have in your party, the higher the bonus it gives to your attacks.
@@CulganValya i see... kinda strange, doesnt it? why they had to "cut" all of those thingies as if it would ruin this masterpiece at the first place though. i wonder what was happened... oh, thanks for typing these out bro! such a kind of you!
@@drwps. They ran out of time during development and some things that were unfinished had to be cut. It's a shame, if they had just a little more development time and we may have had all of these extra included.
In the leaked dev build of the HD Remaster the NG+ dungeon was the only location that didn't have an HD upgrade, it was all black. Not even a placeholder suggests they have no intention of including it.
This time it will not be a problem. It is almost certain that in a short time there will be a mod to add this location as the Steam version will be much easier to change. I will particularly be waiting for a mod where we will be able to modify the attributes of the monsters. Mostly bosses need to have 3~4x more HP.
NG+ dungeon so this game has new game plus? or is it like dragon quest where you can keep playing after beating the final boss and theres a true final boss?
If I remember correctly, McDohl can still join after you defeat the beast rune. So it'd be pretty funny if he stayed on when it restarted. It probably won't work though.
That's certainly a possibility. It could be a child rune of the Rune of Change. But since it was cut content, the rune and the dungeon may not be officially considered canon.
Softlock is the incorrect term for what you are experiencing. Softlock mean you can still move but cant go forward or backwards to progress. What you are experiencing is a HARDLOCK which the game doesnt respond to any input. Hope this helps
You talked about how in the tower there were some levels being repeated and placeholder bosses which indicates that it is far from finished but they just got to getting new game + handled before doing the tower itself if the source code is revealed it can easily be made and patched already but i assume that there is still no bosses coded on that tower probably just the concept of one. And the new game plus being only the beginning part was probably their intention too as for the buggy animations i have no idea it's such a bizzare bug and i would assume there would be a way for them to stop people from going past on what they have not finished but glitching the animations. Weird
It may not indicate it's far from finished, it may have been intended for floors to be similar. Another person commenting had an interesting theory about why they'd all look the same. The buggy, glitchy animations are confusing for sure. Entering the dungeon, or teleporting out back to the beginning of the game just seems to trip the whole game out and everything starts getting wacky.
I believe they are hesitant to add New Game Plus (NG+) and are likely just testing whether it's a worthwhile feature. There hasn't been NG+ since Suikoden V, which supports my theory. I've played the PC version of this game, which was exclusively released in China, and it still doesn't have NG+.
I'm planning on character tier lists for Suikoden 1 and 2 for my next two videos. After that, I think it might be Pesmerga and Yuber. The Sindar are definitely on the to do list!
Yeah, it'd be cool if they did include it with the remaster, but it's highly unlikely that they will. Hopefully some modders will be able to find a way to work it in though.
I've never seen the dungeon, I remember reading on either Suiko(words in between) source or Suiko (because youtube is ghosting my post for mentioning them for some ungodly reason) x back in the day how to get into it, but gave up as it was too complicated.
It's much easier to get into it these days than it was before. It's fairly straight forward to get into if you use Duckstation as its got a built in cheat code function for Gameshark codes. The real problem is the patience required to get through all of the softlocks in the dungeon, only for no payoff at the end because you get hit with a different softlock at the beginning of NG+.
@@stellarvelocityable That's my thought too. A code to bypass the flashback scene could possibly be enough to fix it. Just to skip past it and put us straight at the river with Viktor where he finds. I don't know how plausible or doable that is, but if it is possible, it would certainly solve the issue.
so i'm no code genius but the part where it soft locks during the opening video, I used to play s2 on an emulator and it always froze on the same spot and i remember using a launch setting/target location code called r trigger which is literally just a -r in front of the target location of the executable file and it always fixed the video playing problem and the game would continue. again i'm really not that knowledgeable in any type of computer coding but could be worth a try.
Interesting. I'll give it a try when I've got some time and see if it works. The freeze never happens on a new game, but only happens when teleported back to the beginning for NG+ from the dungeon.
What!? I still remember playing this games over and over and over again back in the days, but I never saw a new game+ and never knew there's a secret dungeon. Or this is a mod?
You already can import Suikoden 2 save data into Suikoden 3. It unlocks some bonuses like character, army, and castle names being carried over, an extra script for the theatre, and if that save data had Suikoden 1 save data, it would also include another script for the theatre. And I think a few characters and their kids get level bonuses.
So i have a crazy theory but hey, whats stopping me from having it, right? 😂. So hear me out. What if, on the new game version you get an edited timeline in which jowy now is able to beat rowd at highland camp and this changes the whole storyline. Joey doesnt kill annabelle, and a whole other disastrous story emerges 😂 i know its crazy but hey. Who doesnt love a great conspiracy theory haha
@@SeedSuikoden Bring all the crazy theories you want to bring! Your idea is crazy for sure as it'd completely upheave the entire story and require a major rewrite of the whole game. It might be a bit too wild to expect from a NG+ feature 😀
I hope. But I wouldn't put money on it. They don't seem to believe in the project very much, which is probably why there's like two people working on it.
I wouldn't hold my breath on any unfinished or cut content being finished and implemented. It'd be cool if we did, but it probably won't happen. Best bet would be maybe modders working it in somehow.
Suikoden 2 has a secret dungeon!? Is it like really a secret dungeon or is it something you'd know about as long as you got every character? EDIT: Oh, it's cut content EDIT2: Is this legit? There's nothing about it TCRF
It's legit. The files are all still in the game. The content is just inaccessible without the use of Gameshark codes. It was cut from the game as they ran out of development time, so they walled off the entrance with a boulder. There's also a hidden Chimera enemy on Tenzan Pass that drops Cyclone Runes. A hidden bath set item, and a hidden weapon rune called the Solitude Rune that increases your attack power for every party member less that you bring.
It's a shame that they probably won't include it. It'd be cool if they did finish it and add it. The work on it seemed to have been mostly complete. We can hope, but don't hold your breath.
@CulganValya nah they won't do it. Because it is a remaster, they will not touch any event or programing aspect. They will probably just replace and enhance the assets. The only new thing I see would be suikoden 1 tirs running and diagonal movement assets. But again I feel they are just going to work on assets... not events, cos reopening code for a game which is 20 years old might be too messy. Nonetheless, let's not hold our breath.
The moment you said gameshark I paused you're video. Quit with the cheats people. Play the game in its natural format. You sound like a kid so I'm assuming you never played the original Nintendo games, super mario bros, ninja Gaiden, megaman, etc. Etc. I remember when game shark came out (early 90s I'm sure) long before you were conceived, and my family was too poor to get one. Play original format. Learn something new. Challenge. Live up to it!!!
The whole point of the video is the guy showing content that cannot be viewed without mods. He has clearly completed the game multiple times and knows it well. Why have you come here to insult him when what he's doing is literally the nature of the video? If you aren't interested in the content he is sharing, play the game normally and you will continue to not be able to access it. What a dumb comment...
LOL dude he is showcasing cut content, not cheating his way to the final boss... attention span of a goldfish you got for sure... also on that note people who have beat the game to death want to see additional content of a game they love so cheat codes/gameshark codes is the only way to do it. so prob take a big step down off that high horse of yours.
@@wesleysmith5275 using a gameshark to access content the developers never intended to see is like breaking into George R R Martin's house and stealing drafts of his new book. It's theft. @CulganValya belongs in jail.
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I dont remember did you mention having tried getting the full color scene where you soft lock for the plus game
@@ihopethispops I did. I tried that, I tried a whole bunch of things and nothing worked. Always froze at the same spot.
@CulganValya darn ok saved me an attempt ty 🤌 would be sick if they did finish it in the remaster and add
Thank you for this! After all these years, it's my first time seeing a secret dungeon and new game+ option! Very cool! I hope they include this in the remaster.
@@carloconsignado4065 No problem! I remember how excited I got when I saw it for the first time years ago. Sadly I don't think it will be included in the remaster, but maybe some modders will be able to mod it into the game.
@@CulganValya hopefully. I want to try out that secret dungeon since it would be a blast to try out end game parties there.
@@CulganValyaso the dungeon won't be in NG+ but NG+ will?
@@Chino-Kafu I'm confused by your comment? Are you asking if NG+ will be in the remaster?
@@CulganValya yes
Thanks, always looking for Suikoden 2 new things.
I remember when I played for the first time I fought a Boss in Tenzas Pass after finished with the L'Renouille, but never shows up again, I looked in the internet for years but seems like nobody ever saw this boss, at least my brother was with me and he saw it too... Someday I hope I found it again and will upload pictures.
I don't recall any kind of boss in Tenzan Pass at that point in the game, and never seen anyone talk about something like that before. Dataminers have never made any mention of it either. But there is a hidden Chimera enemy in Tenzan Pass at that point in the game. It's normally disabled, but it can be enabled as an encounter with gameshark codes.
Dude your channel is amazing for suikoden content
Thank you! Glad you like the videos. I'm still fairly new to this so I'm learning as I go, and there's more Suikoden content to come!
That runemaster being there has always been something I wondered. This makes so much sense.
which runemaster? the video is so long to watch
A runemaster shows up in the Sajah Village item shop after you've defeated the final boss, but before you end the game. She sells the highest tier elemental runes. Mother Earth, Flowing, Rage, Thunder, Cyclone. A lot of people always thought it was strange that she only shows up and sells powerful runes at the end of the game when there's no use for them. Her inclusion was intended for you to stock up on runes before starting NG+.
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@@CulganValya or stock up on runes before the dungeon....
@@CulganValya i always overlooked this cuz i just beefed up Tir and Riou so they could just mop the floor at all times lol.
Thank you so much for sharing this!! I didn't know there was so much content in the secret dungeon -- or that it's such a hassle to do all of this.
It can be a big hassle to set up, but truthfully once the hassle of setting it up is done, you can run through it in 5-10 minutes. It's just not worth it because there's no pay off and the game softlocks almost immediately into NG+
Thank you for making this video! My favorite game of all time and I had no idea the files were accessible like this / still on the game file!! Really appreciate the amount of time you spent making this and how well done this video is!!
Man, I really wish they would’ve given Murayama & co. the time to finish this out. This would’ve been completely EPIC back in the day… should it would be epic now. Fingers crossed on Konami finishing this part out.
@@Caba-Rojo Glad I could help you learn something new about the game!
It would've been incredible to experience a NG+ of this back in the day. It wouldve added so much replayability . It's a real shame they didn't have enough time to finish it and it ended up getting cut.
I wouldn't hold my breath on it being included with the remaster, but hopefully some modders might be able to work it in.
Thanks for showing this off! I've always been curious about the secret dungeon
No problem! It's something many people have heard and wondered about, but I don't know how many have actually seen it.
Great video, I remember I saw those old videos you are referencing. This was very informative and interesting, I like this stuff. Lets hope we get that in the remaster, I know it wasnt in the leak but that was an unfinished version, would be nice to see added
Glad you liked it! I figured it was about time someone made a guide showcasing how to do it.
Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that we'll get it in the remaster. It'd be cool if we did, but I doubt it will be included.
The rock that hid the entrance of the secret dungeon was completely scrapped in the Dev Build that was leaked 2 years ago for the Remaster. But I do hope they changed their mind in the 2 extra years they took to improve on the game. Finger crossed for the Hard Mode that was also selectable in that Dev build!
I assume so, cuz the game was pushed back so much that one may wonder why, and with the lost content of the original, I assume NG+ and the additional dungeon will be added. I assume when we get closer to the rerelease of the game(s) we will have information like "new added/restored content!" and it shows something about the tower, the cave, and like NG+ etc..
I wouldn't hold my breath on the dungeon and NG+ being added. Suikoden will have a 30 minute presentation at TGS next week. We'll probably find out more details there. The delay might have been caused by a change in personnel. The original reveal of the remaster showed Yasuo Daikai as the producer and Takahiro Sakiyama as the director, but the TGS page shows that Rui Naito as the producer and Tatsuya Ogushi as the director, while Takahiro Sakiyama is now the Suikoden IP and Game Director. I suspect a change and shift in personnel was the cause for the delay to address all of the concerns and feedback fans had with the initial reveal.
So tune into TGS next week, we'll likely here more about the remaster there like the original games being included, and difficulty options like Hard Mode. But don't expect the dungeon or NG+, it'd be cool if they were added, but don't expect it or you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment.
This vid is going to blow up when the remaster drops.
Thanks for making this video! With the remaster coming out soon it's nice to see renewed interest in this game. Wrt your request for proceeding past the final soft lock I would honestly guess that there really is nothing else. Maybe they intended for there to be more options for a second playthrough, to let you change additional things ... who knows. But whatever it was it was clearly never implemented. The secret dungeon isn't done - it's all placeholder assets including most of the floor layouts, enemies ... everything. The best you could hope for would be the game simply playing out as normal, but with all the compounding bugs with spell animations, duplicated key items etc even that's unlikely. To get that experience just cheat in the items and exp you want. Maybe we'll get a true NG+ with the remaster but from what I've seen it's probably going to be just like every other cash grab "remaster" of a classic JRPG. Buggy, incomplete, barely updated. But who knows. Maybe they'll sell us a NG+ DLC.
thank you for making this vid, new sub!
Thank you! I appreciate it!
This video was so interesting! I don't even know where to start...
I guess my Jeane Theory crafting senses are tingling. (With the understanding, none of this dungeon is canon) I think we established that Jeane isn't Sindarian, however I can't ignore how I was just speculating she was "Some sort of human hydra" then the big door at the end of this Tower has a very literal 8 headed hydra on it. Adding to that, if I understood correctly, this "Rune of Circulating Paths" tells you that "Time does not flow for it" Who else does time not appear to flow for without a True Rune? Jeane. Did she simply have access to one? (Before the content was scrapped at least) The last thing I can't ignore is how in Sajah Village the Rune Shop can have a "Phero Rune" as a Rare Find. As far as I can tell according to Suikosource, Guardian Deity aside, Sajah Village is the only place you can even get a "Phero Rune". I find it suspicious that the only place in the game you can find an off shoot Jeane Rune is by this Sindarian Tower place.
As far as getting New Game Plus to activate I can't help but wonder if the contents of the "Suikoden I" carryover save have any effects on whether the game freezes or not? Like does Humphrey's Windspun Armor break it? Does Victor being higher than Level 20 break it? Does actually using a Carryover File break it? Do you need a specific set up from Suikoden I AND watch the Full Color Cutscene by fighting 108 batches of soldiers at the start? If I ever have the spare time again I would love to tinker with this, this would be super cool to figure out.
Unrelated to the Secret Dungeon, but I have to say this...53:45 "We've all seen this a million times before" My mind is actually blown right now. Somehow, I don't recall ever encountering this dialogue. I can't believe I never would have tried to just escape North instead of going East like Rowd says, but this interaction isn't familiar to me at all. Maybe the interaction was so mundane that I didn't register it in a playthrough that I saw it in before, but I booted up my own playthrough, and reading the dialogue gave me a serious adrenaline rush as though I was soaking in "new to me" Suikoden II content.
It's unfortunate that the New Game Plus Dungeon doesn't seem like it will be in HD Remaster. Huge missed opportunity. I'm surprised they aren't milking it as DLC content at the very least. If the Release does well enough maybe we can badger Konami into it, but I wouldn't hold my breath
Even though it's cut content and can't officially be considered canon, the dungeon and everything surrounding it does give more fuel to your theory!
You're right. There's so many factors to test with the New Game Plus functionality. So far I've only tested it with a 100% save where I've recruited all 108 SoD, imported S1 save data, done side quests, and been level 99. I tried with it and without doing the 108 fights for the colour intro.
Does being a certain level break it? Does having all 108 SoD break it? Is it the S1 import that breaks it? Is the script just incomplete and broken regardless of what you do? There's still a lot to test to maybe get around it. Though I think the best solution could be if someone more knowledgeable on the technical or programming side of things was able to make a gameshark code to skip the flashback scene, getting around the softlock entirely.
That 53:45 scene, I guess I've done it so many times I kind of just assumed it was common knowledge. Apparently it's not and it's still news to some!
As cool as it would be to have it included in the HD Remaster, I wouldn't hold my breath on it being included, but fingers crossed some talented modders will be able to mod it in and get it working on the Steam version.
@@CulganValya To be fair I think the cutscene at 53:45 probably is common knowledge, I just somehow managed to miss it.
I agree a Gameshark code is likely the best way forward since we need one to access this dungeon to begin with, I just can't help myself theory crafting with all this new information to me. Keep up the good work!
The option for a new game plus was insane!
Aye. What could've been! Would've been awesome.
@@CulganValya We could have saved Pohl
The snake motif, sindar ruins and an off-coloured save crystal that talks.
Not sure why it would be the Circle Rune, because as I recall the sindar was cursed with immortality by the True rune of Change, the rune that allows the world to evolve but exempts the bearer, might have a curse that extends the effect beyond the bearer, similar to how the Soul Eater had a curse that forced the bearer to be alone (aka, people around them died all the time).
The Snake motif and looping time.... all I can think about is the Ouroboros.
while the Soul Eater is allows Life and Death to exist the Rune of Change allows life and death to affect the world, it might in effect be the rune of time.
with that in mind, it makes sense the floors are identical, you move through the same again again, a time loop, not sure why its exactly 6 of those red orbs though...
If the Rune of Change is in fact the time rune, which allows entropy and regrowth, it was pretty genious to use it for New Game+ :D
I brought up the Circle Rune just in case people might misinterpret the "Circulating" part of the runes translation to mean Circle. Just cutting off speculation before it happens.
It could be the Rune of Change, or related to it somehow. It might be its own thing entirely. I suspect the Rune of Change is still in the possession of the Sindar leader, but no proof of that.
It's a fun discussion though! So many possibilities that we'll never know.
arh okay :D
The sindar Leader still possessing the Rune is possible, however, in this case "possession of" is relative, before the revolt in S5, the royal family was in possession of the Sun rune, its just not being worn.
the same could theoretically be the case here, it is found in a sindar ruin so it is technically possessed by the sindar.
something I just thought of is that this rune is one of the very few true runes that speak directly to someone (assuming it is a true rune, the Night rune also directly communicates, but that one is an oddball for obvious reasons :D )
the only thing that stops me from diving deeper into this (my mind might still decide to do so :D ) is that it is cut content, meaning all relations to it stopped existing the moment the boulder was placed.
it is still amazingly cool to see this though :D
Its a shame they never completed the dungeon, or the New Game+ option. That would've made experiencing the Clive Questline so much more manageable.
Still, I wonder about those ruins. From Suikoden III and on, we know the Sindar built ruins that harnessed the power of the True Runes to one purpose or another. I wonder if the ruins for the hidden dungeon were meant to house the True Rune of Beginning?
It'd certainly be very thematic to the primary True Rune of this game if it's power allowed the bearer to begin again, even if that's only made evident in a games mechanic sort of way. Since the dungeon only seems like it was meant to be accessible after fighting the True Beast Rune, I wonder if there hadn't been plans to allow Joey to join Riou in it. Maybe once the credits rolled, the player would have been able to create a special save file that opened the hidden dungeon. That or, depending on the ending, Riou could've had both the Bright Shield and Black Sword Runes. Could see Leknaat making him aware of its existence.
Plenty of possibilities to speculate on what it all could have been if only it had been finished. Just a shame it never was. Thanks for the video! Doubt I'll ever see the secret dungeon (unless a mod is created for it in the remasters).
Yeah, it's a real shame it never got completed and was cut. It would've added a lot more replayability to the game, and made for some interesting experiences allowing people to see the bonus scenes they might normally have never seen.
It's possible. The ruins could've been built for the purpose of housing the Rune of Beginning as you said, it could very well fit with the theme. Perhaps the Rune of Circulating Paths was intended to be a True Rune itself. Sadly, we may never know.
All we can do is speculate, not that it matters as it's likely not canon since it was cut. I hope it gets included in the HD Remaster, but I highly doubt that it will be. Fingers crossed that some talented modders will be able to mod it in and get it working.
I'm kind of up in the air about a New Game + for the remaster coming out. On one hand, I love having the cash and skills boosted already, on the other, Suikoden II was never a difficult game so I feel like it would just be too easy then. But, if they add new dungeons or hell, open it up so you can travel through Toran just to visit the old locations and see what's changed in the three years between 1 and 2 would be a nice New Game + featiure.
I also really want them to remaster the rest of the Suikoden games. Maybe redo Suikoden IV all together
ye, i always wonder why a village in the map of the highland, and you also can get the final smiths hammer there
i pretty sure that somehow this village is needed for Clint final request, and to add another living city in Highland.
no way it would only be Kyaro, right...
The town is also used for the final part of Clive's sidequest.
I don't know if it's been covered here or elsewhere before, but there is an enemy (or a few?) you fight somewhere near the end of the game that has the same gibberish as it's name. I want to say it's in a cave or maybe even in the Highland castle. Seeing this video reminded me of that and I wonder if they're somehow tied in to the removal of NG+ and the secret dungeon. Just code that wasn't updated or perhaps that enemy was supposed to be in the dungeon and didn't get removed from the regular game despite the dungeon being cut out. I haven't played this one in years and it was on the original PS... pretty sure I still have a copy lying around lol
You're referring to the enemies on Tenzan Pass. Sadly, there's no special story behind them. They were just untranslated in the North American version which is why their names are gibberish. They were fully translated in the European version. But there was supposed to be a third enemy there, a chimera. Which was in the games files, but was disabled for some reason.
this is... AMAZING
I think so too. The dungeon is really cool looking too, I love the design in it.
This is awesome!
It's a cool little dungeon to explore.
i think i'll watch the video first.
but the point is, if somehow, this game had another big secret like secret dungeon or new game+ content, someone must be able to find it. this game is loved by many. no way we never find it, if its accessible by design.
There aren't any other big secrets like this, but there are a few other smaller ones.
The demo version of the game is in the games files. It's accessible through a gameshark code that changes the escape talismans teleport location to the demo instead.
There's a hidden bathset item that's only accessible with a gameshark code.
And there's a hidden rune called the Solitude Rune. It's also only accessible through a gameshark code. You attach it to your weapon, and the less people you have in your party, the higher the bonus it gives to your attacks.
@@CulganValya i see... kinda strange, doesnt it? why they had to "cut" all of those thingies as if it would ruin this masterpiece at the first place though. i wonder what was happened...
oh, thanks for typing these out bro! such a kind of you!
@@drwps. They ran out of time during development and some things that were unfinished had to be cut. It's a shame, if they had just a little more development time and we may have had all of these extra included.
In the leaked dev build of the HD Remaster the NG+ dungeon was the only location that didn't have an HD upgrade, it was all black. Not even a placeholder suggests they have no intention of including it.
Real shame if that's the case, as implementing it would not be too hard.
This time it will not be a problem. It is almost certain that in a short time there will be a mod to add this location as the Steam version will be much easier to change. I will particularly be waiting for a mod where we will be able to modify the attributes of the monsters. Mostly bosses need to have 3~4x more HP.
That's a shame. Would've been great if they did, but I wasn't expecting anything to be added.
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NG+ dungeon so this game has new game plus? or is it like dragon quest where you can keep playing after beating the final boss and theres a true final boss?
If I remember correctly, McDohl can still join after you defeat the beast rune. So it'd be pretty funny if he stayed on when it restarted. It probably won't work though.
It's something I've tested, and McDohl does indeed teleport with you back to the beginning of the game.
Even if he did he'd get disbanded from the party not too long into the loop.
My theory is the save point is one of the rune of change power it havs ability to save people fate and records their journey
That's certainly a possibility. It could be a child rune of the Rune of Change. But since it was cut content, the rune and the dungeon may not be officially considered canon.
Save people's fate and records their journey? That's basically Chrono Cross. : D
Softlock is the incorrect term for what you are experiencing. Softlock mean you can still move but cant go forward or backwards to progress.
What you are experiencing is a HARDLOCK which the game doesnt respond to any input.
Hope this helps
Thank you for correcting the mistake. Appreciate it!
You talked about how in the tower there were some levels being repeated and placeholder bosses which indicates that it is far from finished but they just got to getting new game + handled before doing the tower itself if the source code is revealed it can easily be made and patched already but i assume that there is still no bosses coded on that tower probably just the concept of one. And the new game plus being only the beginning part was probably their intention too as for the buggy animations i have no idea it's such a bizzare bug and i would assume there would be a way for them to stop people from going past on what they have not finished but glitching the animations. Weird
It may not indicate it's far from finished, it may have been intended for floors to be similar. Another person commenting had an interesting theory about why they'd all look the same. The buggy, glitchy animations are confusing for sure. Entering the dungeon, or teleporting out back to the beginning of the game just seems to trip the whole game out and everything starts getting wacky.
lmao i laughed so hard at the reload that was awesome
I believe they are hesitant to add New Game Plus (NG+) and are likely just testing whether it's a worthwhile feature. There hasn't been NG+ since Suikoden V, which supports my theory. I've played the PC version of this game, which was exclusively released in China, and it still doesn't have NG+.
It wasn't in the psp port of I&II either. I don't expect them to add it. It'd be cool if they did, but it's very unlikely to happen.
Next video maybe tell more about sindar 😊, or suiko character tier list
I'm planning on character tier lists for Suikoden 1 and 2 for my next two videos. After that, I think it might be Pesmerga and Yuber. The Sindar are definitely on the to do list!
Would love it to be added into completion in the upcoming HD Remaster, but i wouldn't hope so much because they didn't put any details.
Yeah, it'd be cool if they did include it with the remaster, but it's highly unlikely that they will. Hopefully some modders will be able to find a way to work it in though.
It'll be great if in the NG+ we can play jowy side story line
I've never seen the dungeon, I remember reading on either Suiko(words in between) source or Suiko (because youtube is ghosting my post for mentioning them for some ungodly reason) x back in the day how to get into it, but gave up as it was too complicated.
It's much easier to get into it these days than it was before. It's fairly straight forward to get into if you use Duckstation as its got a built in cheat code function for Gameshark codes. The real problem is the patience required to get through all of the softlocks in the dungeon, only for no payoff at the end because you get hit with a different softlock at the beginning of NG+.
Did you try triggering the color intro by fighting the soldiers 108 times? There is also a code for it.
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I did. I tried that too. It softlocks around the same spot, about 2 frames later.
@@CulganValya Bummer, maybe if someone found a code to change the room transition between the camp and the cliff to teleport you to the fort?
@@stellarvelocityable That's my thought too. A code to bypass the flashback scene could possibly be enough to fix it. Just to skip past it and put us straight at the river with Viktor where he finds. I don't know how plausible or doable that is, but if it is possible, it would certainly solve the issue.
I hope the remaster adds this missing content
so i'm no code genius but the part where it soft locks during the opening video, I used to play s2 on an emulator and it always froze on the same spot and i remember using a launch setting/target location code called r trigger which is literally just a -r in front of the target location of the executable file and it always fixed the video playing problem and the game would continue. again i'm really not that knowledgeable in any type of computer coding but could be worth a try.
Interesting. I'll give it a try when I've got some time and see if it works.
The freeze never happens on a new game, but only happens when teleported back to the beginning for NG+ from the dungeon.
I would love to have the lore behind howling voice guild and like who they were hunting like jimba Crowley/S2 chick I'm blanking her name. Etc etc.
The Howling Voice Guild would make for a fun video for sure. I'll add that to the list!
I mean have you tried to get the coloured intro version with the NG+ mechanic too? Maybe that can fix it.
@@Evilriku13 I've tried that. It freezes at the same spot, just 2 frames later.
What!? I still remember playing this games over and over and over again back in the days, but I never saw a new game+ and never knew there's a secret dungeon. Or this is a mod?
This is unfinished / unreleased content that’s still on the data file / game disc. Was planned but they were unable to finish in time for release.
@@Caba-Rojo then they have the time to make it happend for the remaster. I really hope so.
I hope it will be included in the remaster, but I'm not expecting it to be and I don't think it will be. Best hope would be modders adding it in.
Maybe its because you have that mirror which caused the hardlock.
I wonder. It could be anything that's causing it.
U can maybe carry over data from suikoden 2 to 3
You already can import Suikoden 2 save data into Suikoden 3.
It unlocks some bonuses like character, army, and castle names being carried over, an extra script for the theatre, and if that save data had Suikoden 1 save data, it would also include another script for the theatre. And I think a few characters and their kids get level bonuses.
So i have a crazy theory but hey, whats stopping me from having it, right? 😂.
So hear me out.
What if, on the new game version you get an edited timeline in which jowy now is able to beat rowd at highland camp and this changes the whole storyline. Joey doesnt kill annabelle, and a whole other disastrous story emerges 😂 i know its crazy but hey. Who doesnt love a great conspiracy theory haha
@@SeedSuikoden Bring all the crazy theories you want to bring!
Your idea is crazy for sure as it'd completely upheave the entire story and require a major rewrite of the whole game. It might be a bit too wild to expect from a NG+ feature 😀
I'm fairly certain we can expect to see this is the HD remaster.
I hope. But I wouldn't put money on it. They don't seem to believe in the project very much, which is probably why there's like two people working on it.
I wouldn't hold my breath on any unfinished or cut content being finished and implemented. It'd be cool if we did, but it probably won't happen. Best bet would be maybe modders working it in somehow.
You need to work on your balance!
I can't. I'm too busy being unbalanced.
Can the enemies level you beyond the soft level cap?
They can't. Unless someone finds a way to mod around that.
who's gonna solve the NG+ lock
Hopefully someone figures out a way to get past it.
Or perhaps there's another soft lock.
no way...
Kindly comment the code for secret dun thx
I hope someone someday includes a hack that allows new game plus
Fingers crossed some talented modders can make it happen in the remaster!
Suikoden 2 has a secret dungeon!? Is it like really a secret dungeon or is it something you'd know about as long as you got every character?
EDIT: Oh, it's cut content
EDIT2: Is this legit? There's nothing about it TCRF
It's legit. The files are all still in the game. The content is just inaccessible without the use of Gameshark codes. It was cut from the game as they ran out of development time, so they walled off the entrance with a boulder.
There's also a hidden Chimera enemy on Tenzan Pass that drops Cyclone Runes. A hidden bath set item, and a hidden weapon rune called the Solitude Rune that increases your attack power for every party member less that you bring.
What a waste... they ought to have restored this dungeon in the upcoming remaster. I know they won't... Konami is useless these days.
It's a shame that they probably won't include it. It'd be cool if they did finish it and add it. The work on it seemed to have been mostly complete. We can hope, but don't hold your breath.
@CulganValya nah they won't do it. Because it is a remaster, they will not touch any event or programing aspect. They will probably just replace and enhance the assets. The only new thing I see would be suikoden 1 tirs running and diagonal movement assets. But again I feel they are just going to work on assets... not events, cos reopening code for a game which is 20 years old might be too messy.
Nonetheless, let's not hold our breath.
The moment you said gameshark I paused you're video. Quit with the cheats people. Play the game in its natural format. You sound like a kid so I'm assuming you never played the original Nintendo games, super mario bros, ninja Gaiden, megaman, etc. Etc. I remember when game shark came out (early 90s I'm sure) long before you were conceived, and my family was too poor to get one. Play original format. Learn something new. Challenge. Live up to it!!!
The whole point of the video is the guy showing content that cannot be viewed without mods. He has clearly completed the game multiple times and knows it well. Why have you come here to insult him when what he's doing is literally the nature of the video? If you aren't interested in the content he is sharing, play the game normally and you will continue to not be able to access it. What a dumb comment...
youve got him dead to rights mate
LOL dude he is showcasing cut content, not cheating his way to the final boss... attention span of a goldfish you got for sure... also on that note people who have beat the game to death want to see additional content of a game they love so cheat codes/gameshark codes is the only way to do it. so prob take a big step down off that high horse of yours.
@@wesleysmith5275 using a gameshark to access content the developers never intended to see is like breaking into George R R Martin's house and stealing drafts of his new book. It's theft. @CulganValya belongs in jail.
@@SemtexJack Please rethink about your actions before taking booze or the funny pills.