For a "Bug" it's surprisingly well-balanced in terms of damage. Great in P1-3, good P4-6, mediocre P7-8. And made mediocre in general by the fact that you can't teleport in werebear form. This is the coolest bug in the game's history and opens the doors for multiple novel druid builds. 40 skill point investment means you can hybridize in so many ways. As a druid main I'd honestly be very salty if they changed this!
I actually started ladder with this build. From my experience, it was almost always the most powerful build in the games and I found myself leading the charge all the way through. Tons of fun and I really really hope they keep this glitch in the game or even take it a step further and intentionally promote it by making it magic damage and giving it an official synergy. 20/10 I would run this build again.
I think leaving it physical damage is a good thing - but making this an official buff would be nice (doesn't even need to really be a synergy, just make the skill text reflect the actual damage - since technically this 15% is part of the scaling formula in it)
I do find myself running into areas fearless having the power to stun, being very tanky, and the support of summons. No worries entering a portal to be slain in 1 second.
This is always how I felt shockwave should have scaled (or maybe at least scaled with maul charges). However, I am a Druid main so I’m biased. I always thought the bear needed a little something extra that was all it’s own to really shine. I did not know this was going on in this patch, so thank you for the video. I may have to put Hims the bone necro on the bench to try this for a bit before it goes away.
This is what I get for telling myself “don’t just keep making Druids every ladder, you always play Druid.” I miss out on stuff like this 🤦♂️. It does seem fun! I never needed it to be insane damage, so I like that it’s pretty well balanced. I still think bear form could benefit from some level 30 ability (preferably an aoe one), but this will do nicely in the meantime. I hope it sticks
SHOCKAROOMA! I just started a summon shock druid. Going summoner first and bear up to Maul only. I'm using poison creeper a few wolves and Ravens act 1 fire merc and heart of wolverine. My plan is to just max the Shockwave on shape-shifting tree with most into summon tree. Fun so far. I wish the bear fire claw had a more noticeable fire animation.
There's a few flavors of it, in and of itself - mainly when it comes to what the player wants to focus on - since there is a really powerful fireclaw centered build possible, but it sacrifices some shockwave punch, and a really powerful shockwave build that sacrifices some fireclaw punch (which is what I was using at the end - it "only" deals ~15k fire damage lol)
lol, is it bad that I've always read it as "Macroboiboi" - and only just noticed that it is indeed Macro BIO Boi... my brain defaults to "fun to say" for some stupid reason *note - I can't be the only one, since youtube knows it well enough to redirect to him on a search lol - though I do feel kind of bad mispronouncing it - since I'm in a similar boat since people call me "Alozrath" and "Alzaroth" a lot - even though I am fine with "Al" or "Alz"
I really hope they don't patch this. It isn't that broken. It's the only good use of a bone break sunder charm. I'm playing it on ladder right now. It isn't that strong until you get torch, skillers, arachnid mesh, etc. And in multi player games I'm sitting there spamming it and it still takes a while to kill stuff.
It really is a nice little build - and while bone break would help a little bit I still only would really use it for bowazon or necro these days - I'm on the fence as to whether I want to use the charm since our shockwave is still a bit short in range for ranged enemies (it's one of those things where there are arguments both ways for it though)
it would be fine as a holdover until you can get a Jalal's, but I generally prefer Jalal's for this use since it's only one less skill point for shockwave, but an extra 2 for every other shapeshifting skill, and personally I prefer the mods on jalal's over delirium for this build (resists, stats, mana per kill, etc.)
rip , imagine how some bugs made it for almost 20 years this one got fixed in less than 4 months of being exposed . i blame social media for bringing this type of thing to the devs attention
Is there a way to make this build into some what of a fighting hybrid build. Max shockwave, maul, bear, Some points in: HOW, Ravens, Dire Wolf Gear: Shapeshifting GCs Jala, Spirit, arach, Druid caster ammy, raven, Bk ring, Hoto, Nigma On Switch: (this is what I need help with) Grief, Phoneix? Aorics needle? EBOTD? Merc: Blessed Aim for more AR or Might Reapers Toll, fort, andy?
I am playing on hardcore a pure shockwave werebear without summons, I am level 93 and love the build. I hope they won't fix it, the werebear needs some more love and this gives him a new build and people start playing him now. I am a bit surprised that people find it OP, it doesn't even come close to the killspeed of a hammerdin, frozen orb sorc, javazon or trap assa, plus you can not teleport.
yea, it's really not OP - the only issue some people have is the stun effect, but honestly, you have 5 stun missiles - if they have to nerf it, I'd say just cap the stun duration - the damage and everything else is fine (and honestly, I'm even fine with the stun - it's still nowhere near encroaching on the hammerdin or sundered blizzorb sorc)
@@Alzorath Yea I agree the stun effect is maybe a little bit too much. They could also exchange the stun effect for ice damage, so that monsters get just slowed down instead of completely stunned.
The problem that everyone seems to not want to realize is that shockwave is a utility ability that stuns enemies and provides insane crowd control. That is its purpose. That is its focus. Its not meant to deal damage and be a main source of damage. Blizzard should fix this as this is crazy value. Damage AND crazy crowd control in one skill is not balanced at all. Look, maybe they won't change it but I won't be surprised if they do.
I wonder how this build would be if you remove oak sage and replace by maxing spirit of the barbs and max lycan then only have 1 point in each summon and of course thorn merc.
I've gone to pure Fire for more density clear and easier mobility (tele staff) but this build actually slaps and I hope they leave it as is because it's not overpowered, it's just good damage and relatively easy to play.
Builds like this seem fun. But i think with synergies they should have the options with more points needed to keep upping damage and use all points into 1 build
@@manoqueenz no thats a idea thats often over thought. I didnt say add 40 points of synergies and have the same damage in the end with all 80 points. I mean add 40 points of synergies to make it stronger yet. If you want to build it in 2 directions as you do it now that doesnt change. But you can go all in and have an end game build
I'm oddly fine with it remaining capped at about this power, so it's strong enough to stand on its own for most things, but does allow investment for diversity - I think if we bumped it up much more, we'd sadly see it hitting the Hammerdin/Blizzorb tiers (which imo - are overpowered/overtuned, and sundering didn't help the situation for the cold sorc)
I think it's fine that there are skills that cap out at lower point thresholds, but in exchange are more powerful than options that you can sink more points into
I think adding something like points in shockwave give summon grizzly a chance to stun on attack. More points higher chance. No damage just stun. That adds 24 points and if your maxing bear you might add to dire or spirt for those synergy to bear points
That's kind of how the Fire Claw build works - except its using a +2 plague for LR & plus skills without needing a weapon swap :) (you charge maul, then fireclaw phys immunes/shockwave everything else - only reason I included it at the end of the video though was because I got the "snow in hell" bug) - but the Grief Maul build is definitely a ton of fun too.
@@Alzorath actually maul + physic sunder charm + reaper's toll + aura might act 2 mer deal ton of damage. The damage is insane like 4 to 5 hit diablo down. It require swap but the damage for single target worth it.
I made it most of the way through nightmare with my summon Druid (+3 Armageddon and +2 tornado pelt) but everyone dies quickly and I still want to do something to help the troops, enter shock bear. Much easier now.
It really does work well with a number of druid builds - though I may be biased, since I've always preferred werebear over werewolf (both are fun, I just have a soft spot)
@@Alzorath I like the wolf, myself, but there's no denying the amount of utility you get from a summoner sinking 5 points into shapeshifting and just stunlocking everything you come across 😆
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I paying with this on current ladder with fireclaw. If I hit, I oneshot ghosts but attack speed is so slow. I got vipermagi as budget and I found the druid club as budget. I leveled up with poison creeper and respecced into summoner version and as of now I think summoner is better. I will try hurricane or Armageddon. Which one is better you think?
yea, with the change to bear animations - getting maul up before fireclaw is almost a necessity for it not to be a slog. I generally prefer hurricane of the two, just because it chills at short range and gives me access to cyclone armor.
Wafting those salmon poots all over the minions of hell. But yeah this is where the skill should be, damage-wise. I could see "fixing" the skill so it (admittedly, far more intuitively) adds Werebear's damage increase to Shockwave. But that would hurt the options available with the 40-point setup we have now, so 🤷🏻♀️
Yea, there's a few ways they could reach this point and feel, even if they do end up fixing the bug - but I really think, just leave it as is, and fix the tooltip, and we'll be good :)
@@Alzorath I just find a skill scaling quadratically weird. I'd be cool with the build doing this kind of damage when you sink 60 hard points and have like +10 allskills, but _also_ doing this kind of damage with 40 hard points and +25 to skills (since soft points in werebear would also contribute). It would make the build easier to build with junk gear, or free up some points once you crank your +skills
Here me out - same gear choices as dragon tail assassin. Use lawbringer or lacerator with phoenix shield. Slap until ctc curse, then shockwave. If you need cast rate for shockwave, viper magi, magefists, off hand spirit and wiz spike cube stashing cta. I know the argument of attacking faster is more dmg, that isn’t the case when your dmg diff with amplify dmg up is effectively 3x your effective dmg to hell monsters who naturally spawn with 50% phys res. You’re not getting 3x attack speed using fcr main hand slots. For early game I’d recommend cows with harmony bow offhand instead of spirit and wiz. Mainhand would be lacerator and spirit.
I LOVE this change. Imo the drop rate of sunder charms should be significantly reduced and the difficulty of mobs increased for subsequent seasons to push more early power into these hybrid defensive builds. The stun on shockwave in addition to the big bear health pool and oak sage is the perfect pairing for pushing into REALLY dangerous areas safely, which I think is the ideal niche for account progression in the first few weeks of the ladder.
I agree on the sunder charms needing to be reduced - personally I think terror zones still need some love in general, and at the very least spawn a special boss somewhere that specifically drops a sundered charm, so people can hunt through an area for it, but have it be more challenging (somewhere between an uber and an act boss in difficulty, but with a pack). This is also one reason I really wish terror zones were larger (either just more areas included in one zone, or a red portal system that goes deeper), would reduce the game spamming. And as far as the skill - yea, I actually wish Shockwave AND Warcry were around this power level since it fits a really good power fantasy, without being overpowered.
@@Alzorath I would love a paradigm where rather thank just yolo through the game players have to pick a slower defensive spec to start the process of the endgame gear grind. one of my favorite parts of the SSF journey is the risk-reward balance from not having gear or a team to lean on. with fewer sunders and more difficulty, I think you would see the meta shift to bear druid, Summoner necro, ES, Traps etc as they are the safe and reliable way to push into new areas. In my mind players need to earn their 1 shot farming builds, but I may just be a crotchety old man at this point.
@@Alzorath This. Or at least a "chance" to find a uber type boss inside it. The density is TERRIBLE considering it's suppose to be special zones. BTDIABLO had a great idea for difficulty. He uses it in his mod. Give the mobs extra auras, and include concentration in the rotation. Make terror zones actually hard.
If you played with this team would max mf nec summon, amp build or max mf shock wave, summon build be best ? Sorc enchant, static. Barb bo, find. Poly fanatisim. Thorns and might and exsploding arrow merc's. We are thinking about play hc.
Not sure I understand the question :/ - if I had to choose between this and a necro summoner on a team, I'd probably choose the necro summoner if there weren't any cold builds in the pack (mainly due to curse variety), but in cold packs, this can work fine too. As far as packing this with a team - it pairs well with necromancers with amplify damage thanks to being physical damage, and that is most of what you do.
@@Alzorath Sry it was late night. I was wondering if I should play nec or sw druid for mf finial hitter for the team I described. Enchant sorc, find barb, and aura din.
I believe this is the team trying to make the game more playable. ask yourself, what is the point of having a skill that comes in so late in the character if it isn't going to be a viable build. It makes sense that they would want people to use a more divers build instead of everyone using the same 5 "god" builds like the hammerdin. they want people to enjoy the game and not have every person playing the same builds over and over. someone joins your game with a Hammerdin and you can change to a Hammerdin of your own that more or less is identical to the other guys.
Well.. I love how it looks. But I also used to love Fire Wall. :< And we all know what happened to that. I pray the bear won't get whacked with nerfbat, but I'm not counting on it.
@@Alzorath Sure. Used to combine it with Blizzard, but feel Hydra's better for that nowadays. Well, before sunder charms, that is. What had me 'annoyed', with the lack of a better word, with the fire wall story was that Nihlathaks serpents got fixed after Fire Wall did, and as you know.. Hoh boy, those were broken for a very long time.
This build lacks the tools to really push down big single unstunnable targets like ubers and act bosses (act bosses are able to be killed because they don't regenerate, but ubers do) - melee builds can use bleed to stop the healing and crushing blow to chunk early life, while casters rely on high damage and high resist penetration with sunder.
@@Alzorath actually also in the case of a mauler potentially being able to work. Do you think if we just had a weapon to swap to that had decent ias and attack rating we could just do that since we have maul maxed already
yup - I actually record all my b-reel offline so everyone can use it :) (though to do sundered videos, you would need to import a sundered charm until they are implemented)
sadly they patched the shockwave bug - the bear druid is still 'viable', but short of a mauler variant, the wolf will generally feel more fluid with good gear
My amulet pick would be +2 druid skill with TP charges. Sometimes, a tp over wall can make the run so much faster. With terror zone can drop blue amulet with 90+ilv, this amulet seems no longer super rare to look for.
It's not bad to rotate form to zip to a location, shift and kill, then repeat (you still have really solid life unshifted) - I actually did it a few times in Chaos since that's the most popular one to talk about, though it was good for the boss hunt tests too.
Bug as in "unintended gameplay element" - corpse explosion functions as listed and intended (not really guaranteed kill em all, especially in larger games, but still one of the more powerful skills in the game, albeit on a conditional)
Yea, this is a skill buff I'm actually 100% fine with staying - it's pretty close to what I think the "target" balance should be for most builds in the game: "Capable, but not one shotting everything and ignoring monster variety" (imo - this, along with builds like Poison Nova, are in that sweet spot)
Yeah, "everyone is busted, go nuts" is a way more fun design philosophy than "eat your veggies and farm with a sorc, _then_ you can struggle clear content with a perfectly-geared build you actually enjoy"
actually, the reason for thorns in this is for the act bosses, as states, since shockwave is atrocious at finishing them off, and with thorns on summons reflecting 4x the damage of thorns on players, it adds up quite quickly since all the bosses have a melee attack.
Here’s the thing, a broken skill is one that’s the only viable choice, there is no point in using another skill or even class, but this not only has variety, it doesn’t seem better than any other class/build.
@@Alzorath Bugs are broken gameplay. But you implied, maybe unintentionally that this was severe enough that Blizz might fix it. That in turn implies that you think it's a little bit broken, whereas I think it's less a bug, more an unintended feature. :P
- Bugs are errors in coding - this is explicitly an error in coding - whether something is "broken gameplay" is irrelevant to it being a bug or not. - I explicitly stated my opinion of the balance of this effect at the beginning of the video, which is the opposite of what you claim is "implied" - As far as whether blizzard will fix the bug, they probably will - the HOW is up in the air (do they fix it by having it reflected in the skill tooltip? do they fix it by removing the buff? do they fix it by moving the buff to a different synergy?)
Cover impale and how Broken it is in pvp. Renders WW barb literally useless against jav zons with 1 hit. The barb glides all over the place. That shit needed a ninja patch the day before that crap was implemented. Anti-fun and I just go full absorb and Doom runeword to piss em off because they Know its beyond broken and they deserve to be the new owner of a big ass frown.
If you Google shockwave druid your video was plagiarized by UTplay and it's on the top results. It was ripped off down to your wording of smacking things until level 24.
Thanks for the heads up - sadly a lot of these RMT sites grab the transcripts and run them through ai filters :( - haven't had any luck getting stuff removed from the Chinese sites unfortunately (honestly same situation for ripped art as well - but at least there I can keep it from being sold most places in the US/EU).
To be an effective damage source, yes it does - to be effective at solely stunning, you are correct, you just need the stun length (but this build is not about 'just stunning' with it)
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For a "Bug" it's surprisingly well-balanced in terms of damage. Great in P1-3, good P4-6, mediocre P7-8. And made mediocre in general by the fact that you can't teleport in werebear form. This is the coolest bug in the game's history and opens the doors for multiple novel druid builds. 40 skill point investment means you can hybridize in so many ways. As a druid main I'd honestly be very salty if they changed this!
I actually started ladder with this build.
From my experience, it was almost always the most powerful build in the games and I found myself leading the charge all the way through. Tons of fun and I really really hope they keep this glitch in the game or even take it a step further and intentionally promote it by making it magic damage and giving it an official synergy. 20/10 I would run this build again.
I think leaving it physical damage is a good thing - but making this an official buff would be nice (doesn't even need to really be a synergy, just make the skill text reflect the actual damage - since technically this 15% is part of the scaling formula in it)
I do find myself running into areas fearless having the power to stun, being very tanky, and the support of summons. No worries entering a portal to be slain in 1 second.
That looks like a really fun hardcore build!!!
oh, it definitely is
This is always how I felt shockwave should have scaled (or maybe at least scaled with maul charges). However, I am a Druid main so I’m biased. I always thought the bear needed a little something extra that was all it’s own to really shine.
I did not know this was going on in this patch, so thank you for the video. I may have to put Hims the bone necro on the bench to try this for a bit before it goes away.
Actually started in the 2.4 patch, it's just people keep ignoring it - when it is really fun, and fairly well balanced for what it is :)
This is what I get for telling myself “don’t just keep making Druids every ladder, you always play Druid.” I miss out on stuff like this 🤦♂️.
It does seem fun! I never needed it to be insane damage, so I like that it’s pretty well balanced. I still think bear form could benefit from some level 30 ability (preferably an aoe one), but this will do nicely in the meantime. I hope it sticks
SHOCKAROOMA! I just started a summon shock druid. Going summoner first and bear up to Maul only. I'm using poison creeper a few wolves and Ravens act 1 fire merc and heart of wolverine. My plan is to just max the Shockwave on shape-shifting tree with most into summon tree. Fun so far. I wish the bear fire claw had a more noticeable fire animation.
shockwave isnt OP at all... they need to just leave it. We need as much diversity as possible with builds. Let people play how they want to
I find it funny when hammerdin players say that the shockwave build is OP lol
I agree i love the diversity in builds
I agree with all 3 of these posts lol - this is about where we need it to be for the skill
In a world where blizzard sorcs get capped -enemy res for cold without facets or infinity, no other build should even be considered overpowered.
Agree
@9:15 probably a nice plague claw base
Sadly no :( - was eth 2 socket, no abilities
I’d love to see the detailed shockwave fire claw build
There's a few flavors of it, in and of itself - mainly when it comes to what the player wants to focus on - since there is a really powerful fireclaw centered build possible, but it sacrifices some shockwave punch, and a really powerful shockwave build that sacrifices some fireclaw punch (which is what I was using at the end - it "only" deals ~15k fire damage lol)
Haha it’s Mac-ro-Bye-oh-boy.
It’s dumb of me to point out, but MacroBoyBoy was funny
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lol, is it bad that I've always read it as "Macroboiboi" - and only just noticed that it is indeed Macro BIO Boi... my brain defaults to "fun to say" for some stupid reason
*note - I can't be the only one, since youtube knows it well enough to redirect to him on a search lol - though I do feel kind of bad mispronouncing it - since I'm in a similar boat since people call me "Alozrath" and "Alzaroth" a lot - even though I am fine with "Al" or "Alz"
@@Alzorath I too watch his videos and only just realised its Bio and not Boiboi
I really hope they don't patch this. It isn't that broken. It's the only good use of a bone break sunder charm. I'm playing it on ladder right now. It isn't that strong until you get torch, skillers, arachnid mesh, etc. And in multi player games I'm sitting there spamming it and it still takes a while to kill stuff.
It really is a nice little build - and while bone break would help a little bit I still only would really use it for bowazon or necro these days - I'm on the fence as to whether I want to use the charm since our shockwave is still a bit short in range for ranged enemies (it's one of those things where there are arguments both ways for it though)
I love my bear. Just respecced last night and no regrets. I clear every terror zone with ease
He is a ton of fun :)
What do you think about making a Delirium out of a +3 shockwave pelt? Wait for shockwave and other skills too? It's not too expensive
it would be fine as a holdover until you can get a Jalal's, but I generally prefer Jalal's for this use since it's only one less skill point for shockwave, but an extra 2 for every other shapeshifting skill, and personally I prefer the mods on jalal's over delirium for this build (resists, stats, mana per kill, etc.)
rip , imagine how some bugs made it for almost 20 years this one got fixed in less than 4 months of being exposed . i blame social media for bringing this type of thing to the devs attention
I loved this build until I reached hell. It stalled greatly there and even after I found a jalals while running pits it still didn't deliver.
Is there a way to make this build into some what of a fighting hybrid build.
Max shockwave, maul, bear,
Some points in: HOW, Ravens, Dire Wolf
Gear:
Shapeshifting GCs
Jala, Spirit, arach, Druid caster ammy, raven, Bk ring, Hoto, Nigma
On Switch: (this is what I need help with)
Grief, Phoneix? Aorics needle? EBOTD?
Merc: Blessed Aim for more AR or Might
Reapers Toll, fort, andy?
I am playing on hardcore a pure shockwave werebear without summons, I am level 93 and love the build. I hope they won't fix it, the werebear needs some more love and this gives him a new build and people start playing him now. I am a bit surprised that people find it OP, it doesn't even come close to the killspeed of a hammerdin, frozen orb sorc, javazon or trap assa, plus you can not teleport.
yea, it's really not OP - the only issue some people have is the stun effect, but honestly, you have 5 stun missiles - if they have to nerf it, I'd say just cap the stun duration - the damage and everything else is fine (and honestly, I'm even fine with the stun - it's still nowhere near encroaching on the hammerdin or sundered blizzorb sorc)
@@Alzorath Yea I agree the stun effect is maybe a little bit too much. They could also exchange the stun effect for ice damage, so that monsters get just slowed down instead of completely stunned.
The problem that everyone seems to not want to realize is that shockwave is a utility ability that stuns enemies and provides insane crowd control. That is its purpose. That is its focus. Its not meant to deal damage and be a main source of damage. Blizzard should fix this as this is crazy value. Damage AND crazy crowd control in one skill is not balanced at all.
Look, maybe they won't change it but I won't be surprised if they do.
I wonder how this build would be if you remove oak sage and replace by maxing spirit of the barbs and max lycan then only have 1 point in each summon and of course thorn merc.
I've gone to pure Fire for more density clear and easier mobility (tele staff) but this build actually slaps and I hope they leave it as is because it's not overpowered, it's just good damage and relatively easy to play.
very new player friendly for sure.
Arkaine's Valor is a really good armor choice for this build. Maybe one of the few builds where it shines.
Builds like this seem fun. But i think with synergies they should have the options with more points needed to keep upping damage and use all points into 1 build
No, that would decrease build diversity
@@manoqueenz no thats a idea thats often over thought. I didnt say add 40 points of synergies and have the same damage in the end with all 80 points. I mean add 40 points of synergies to make it stronger yet. If you want to build it in 2 directions as you do it now that doesnt change. But you can go all in and have an end game build
I'm oddly fine with it remaining capped at about this power, so it's strong enough to stand on its own for most things, but does allow investment for diversity - I think if we bumped it up much more, we'd sadly see it hitting the Hammerdin/Blizzorb tiers (which imo - are overpowered/overtuned, and sundering didn't help the situation for the cold sorc)
I think it's fine that there are skills that cap out at lower point thresholds, but in exchange are more powerful than options that you can sink more points into
I think adding something like points in shockwave give summon grizzly a chance to stun on attack. More points higher chance. No damage just stun. That adds 24 points and if your maxing bear you might add to dire or spirt for those synergy to bear points
9:27 Ladder starter build provided you can live without teleport.. Who in the F has Enigma at ladder start?
play shockwave/maul , can swap between hoto spirit/botd or grief . can do all content and clear real fast
That's kind of how the Fire Claw build works - except its using a +2 plague for LR & plus skills without needing a weapon swap :) (you charge maul, then fireclaw phys immunes/shockwave everything else - only reason I included it at the end of the video though was because I got the "snow in hell" bug) - but the Grief Maul build is definitely a ton of fun too.
@@Alzorath actually maul + physic sunder charm + reaper's toll + aura might act 2 mer deal ton of damage. The damage is insane like 4 to 5 hit diablo down. It require swap but the damage for single target worth it.
I made it most of the way through nightmare with my summon Druid (+3 Armageddon and +2 tornado pelt) but everyone dies quickly and I still want to do something to help the troops, enter shock bear. Much easier now.
It really does work well with a number of druid builds - though I may be biased, since I've always preferred werebear over werewolf (both are fun, I just have a soft spot)
@@Alzorath I like the wolf, myself, but there's no denying the amount of utility you get from a summoner sinking 5 points into shapeshifting and just stunlocking everything you come across 😆
I paying with this on current ladder with fireclaw. If I hit, I oneshot ghosts but attack speed is so slow. I got vipermagi as budget and I found the druid club as budget. I leveled up with poison creeper and respecced into summoner version and as of now I think summoner is better. I will try hurricane or Armageddon. Which one is better you think?
yea, with the change to bear animations - getting maul up before fireclaw is almost a necessity for it not to be a slog. I generally prefer hurricane of the two, just because it chills at short range and gives me access to cyclone armor.
Wafting those salmon poots all over the minions of hell.
But yeah this is where the skill should be, damage-wise. I could see "fixing" the skill so it (admittedly, far more intuitively) adds Werebear's damage increase to Shockwave. But that would hurt the options available with the 40-point setup we have now, so 🤷🏻♀️
Yea, there's a few ways they could reach this point and feel, even if they do end up fixing the bug - but I really think, just leave it as is, and fix the tooltip, and we'll be good :)
@@Alzorath I just find a skill scaling quadratically weird. I'd be cool with the build doing this kind of damage when you sink 60 hard points and have like +10 allskills, but _also_ doing this kind of damage with 40 hard points and +25 to skills (since soft points in werebear would also contribute). It would make the build easier to build with junk gear, or free up some points once you crank your +skills
I hope they make this bug a feature like they did back in the day with concentration and blessed hammer
same lol - this is at least balanced :)
Here me out - same gear choices as dragon tail assassin. Use lawbringer or lacerator with phoenix shield. Slap until ctc curse, then shockwave. If you need cast rate for shockwave, viper magi, magefists, off hand spirit and wiz spike cube stashing cta.
I know the argument of attacking faster is more dmg, that isn’t the case when your dmg diff with amplify dmg up is effectively 3x your effective dmg to hell monsters who naturally spawn with 50% phys res. You’re not getting 3x attack speed using fcr main hand slots.
For early game I’d recommend cows with harmony bow offhand instead of spirit and wiz. Mainhand would be lacerator and spirit.
I LOVE this change. Imo the drop rate of sunder charms should be significantly reduced and the difficulty of mobs increased for subsequent seasons to push more early power into these hybrid defensive builds. The stun on shockwave in addition to the big bear health pool and oak sage is the perfect pairing for pushing into REALLY dangerous areas safely, which I think is the ideal niche for account progression in the first few weeks of the ladder.
I agree on the sunder charms needing to be reduced - personally I think terror zones still need some love in general, and at the very least spawn a special boss somewhere that specifically drops a sundered charm, so people can hunt through an area for it, but have it be more challenging (somewhere between an uber and an act boss in difficulty, but with a pack). This is also one reason I really wish terror zones were larger (either just more areas included in one zone, or a red portal system that goes deeper), would reduce the game spamming.
And as far as the skill - yea, I actually wish Shockwave AND Warcry were around this power level since it fits a really good power fantasy, without being overpowered.
@@Alzorath I would love a paradigm where rather thank just yolo through the game players have to pick a slower defensive spec to start the process of the endgame gear grind. one of my favorite parts of the SSF journey is the risk-reward balance from not having gear or a team to lean on.
with fewer sunders and more difficulty, I think you would see the meta shift to bear druid, Summoner necro, ES, Traps etc as they are the safe and reliable way to push into new areas. In my mind players need to earn their 1 shot farming builds, but I may just be a crotchety old man at this point.
@@Alzorath This. Or at least a "chance" to find a uber type boss inside it. The density is TERRIBLE considering it's suppose to be special zones. BTDIABLO had a great idea for difficulty. He uses it in his mod. Give the mobs extra auras, and include concentration in the rotation. Make terror zones actually hard.
Cool you have options for leveling idk why but I refuse to respec while leveling and like to level up as “off meta” builds 🤘
Im playing shockwave druid at the moment, very interested in the plague variant.
Maybe now that shockwave has been retooled an update is necessary
If you played with this team would max mf nec summon, amp build or max mf shock wave, summon build be best ? Sorc enchant, static. Barb bo, find. Poly fanatisim. Thorns and might and exsploding arrow merc's. We are thinking about play hc.
Not sure I understand the question :/ - if I had to choose between this and a necro summoner on a team, I'd probably choose the necro summoner if there weren't any cold builds in the pack (mainly due to curse variety), but in cold packs, this can work fine too.
As far as packing this with a team - it pairs well with necromancers with amplify damage thanks to being physical damage, and that is most of what you do.
@@Alzorath Sry it was late night. I was wondering if I should play nec or sw druid for mf finial hitter for the team I described. Enchant sorc, find barb, and aura din.
I believe this is the team trying to make the game more playable. ask yourself, what is the point of having a skill that comes in so late in the character if it isn't going to be a viable build. It makes sense that they would want people to use a more divers build instead of everyone using the same 5 "god" builds like the hammerdin. they want people to enjoy the game and not have every person playing the same builds over and over. someone joins your game with a Hammerdin and you can change to a Hammerdin of your own that more or less is identical to the other guys.
Well.. I love how it looks. But I also used to love Fire Wall. :< And we all know what happened to that. I pray the bear won't get whacked with nerfbat, but I'm not counting on it.
Firewall is still viable :) - it's just back to being a skill you pair with things rather than stack solo.
@@Alzorath Sure. Used to combine it with Blizzard, but feel Hydra's better for that nowadays. Well, before sunder charms, that is. What had me 'annoyed', with the lack of a better word, with the fire wall story was that Nihlathaks serpents got fixed after Fire Wall did, and as you know.. Hoh boy, those were broken for a very long time.
How would this do for solo Ubers in single player. Running the summoner setup and about to start Hell difficulty.
This specific build, not too well (that said, there are some mauler builds or fireclaw builds that could be 'functional' at it)
@@Alzorath hmm, any particular reason why? I’m still learning the game it’s my fittest time playing
This build lacks the tools to really push down big single unstunnable targets like ubers and act bosses (act bosses are able to be killed because they don't regenerate, but ubers do) - melee builds can use bleed to stop the healing and crushing blow to chunk early life, while casters rely on high damage and high resist penetration with sunder.
@@Alzorath oh ok that makes sense. I didn’t realize ubers regen oof that would be rough. Thanks for the info and great vid!
@@Alzorath actually also in the case of a mauler potentially being able to work. Do you think if we just had a weapon to swap to that had decent ias and attack rating we could just do that since we have maul maxed already
Does this work offline as well?
yup - I actually record all my b-reel offline so everyone can use it :) (though to do sundered videos, you would need to import a sundered charm until they are implemented)
@@Alzorath Cool thanks for the fast responce.
Finally I feel like I could play bear druid, it looks super fun! Is this still viable? I hope they make it official, bear druid needs some love.
sadly they patched the shockwave bug - the bear druid is still 'viable', but short of a mauler variant, the wolf will generally feel more fluid with good gear
@@Alzorath Aw thats sad. Thanks for the answer!
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Macro Bio Boi :)
So is this still a thing or did they "fix" it?
I haven't tested it in 2.6, but it is still a thing in the mainline game.
@@Alzorath thankyou
how mana and life leech with this build?
Don't really need it - a little mana per kill will keep you topped off.
Cool I'll make one with my aldur set lol
Summons are great due to you can pre buff them.. 1 point in each >_
My amulet pick would be +2 druid skill with TP charges. Sometimes, a tp over wall can make the run so much faster.
With terror zone can drop blue amulet with 90+ilv, this amulet seems no longer super rare to look for.
Currently - Mine would be a 10% Safety Amulet w/ +2 Druid Skills and resists :)
@@Alzorath I will pick this（safety amulet） more for HC character. Cause Shock wave is the best CC skill in the gameXD
cool skill change but still falls flat on its face with no tele in shifted form
It's not bad to rotate form to zip to a location, shift and kill, then repeat (you still have really solid life unshifted) - I actually did it a few times in Chaos since that's the most popular one to talk about, though it was good for the boss hunt tests too.
It should be buffed even further
I'm running a armageddon druid now.. 12k arma ged id on
Armageddon is fun with this skill, or even solo (Fire caster druid is fun, as is Arma/Fire Claw, but those are different videos lol)
I think it needs a buff to be honest.
If this is a bug? What say you about "Corpse Explosion?" one corpse kills em all...
Bug as in "unintended gameplay element" - corpse explosion functions as listed and intended (not really guaranteed kill em all, especially in larger games, but still one of the more powerful skills in the game, albeit on a conditional)
Hmm 🤔 its not 13k per hammer!!! i dont think its bugged 🐛
bugs don't mean overpowered - otherwise sundered not working with traps before wouldn't have been a bug
RIP
will be sad if they nerf it and then buff soso or hdin more lol
Yea, this is a skill buff I'm actually 100% fine with staying - it's pretty close to what I think the "target" balance should be for most builds in the game: "Capable, but not one shotting everything and ignoring monster variety" (imo - this, along with builds like Poison Nova, are in that sweet spot)
Yeah, "everyone is busted, go nuts" is a way more fun design philosophy than "eat your veggies and farm with a sorc, _then_ you can struggle clear content with a perfectly-geared build you actually enjoy"
Thorn and shockwave really don't go together.
actually, the reason for thorns in this is for the act bosses, as states, since shockwave is atrocious at finishing them off, and with thorns on summons reflecting 4x the damage of thorns on players, it adds up quite quickly since all the bosses have a melee attack.
Here’s the thing, a broken skill is one that’s the only viable choice, there is no point in using another skill or even class, but this not only has variety, it doesn’t seem better than any other class/build.
No one has said it's broken... but it is a bug.
@@Alzorath Bugs are broken gameplay. But you implied, maybe unintentionally that this was severe enough that Blizz might fix it. That in turn implies that you think it's a little bit broken, whereas I think it's less a bug, more an unintended feature. :P
- Bugs are errors in coding - this is explicitly an error in coding - whether something is "broken gameplay" is irrelevant to it being a bug or not.
- I explicitly stated my opinion of the balance of this effect at the beginning of the video, which is the opposite of what you claim is "implied"
- As far as whether blizzard will fix the bug, they probably will - the HOW is up in the air (do they fix it by having it reflected in the skill tooltip? do they fix it by removing the buff? do they fix it by moving the buff to a different synergy?)
Macro BIO boi
Cover impale and how Broken it is in pvp. Renders WW barb literally useless against jav zons with 1 hit. The barb glides all over the place. That shit needed a ninja patch the day before that crap was implemented. Anti-fun and I just go full absorb and Doom runeword to piss em off because they Know its beyond broken and they deserve to be the new owner of a big ass frown.
Lol macro boy boy...it's bio boy, btw. Not sure if joking or not. Apparently it's a mistake that is made a lot
If you Google shockwave druid your video was plagiarized by UTplay and it's on the top results. It was ripped off down to your wording of smacking things until level 24.
Thanks for the heads up - sadly a lot of these RMT sites grab the transcripts and run them through ai filters :( - haven't had any luck getting stuff removed from the Chinese sites unfortunately (honestly same situation for ripped art as well - but at least there I can keep it from being sold most places in the US/EU).
Shockwave needs 40 points to be effective? That's not true at all
To be an effective damage source, yes it does - to be effective at solely stunning, you are correct, you just need the stun length (but this build is not about 'just stunning' with it)
@@Alzorath I have pretty average gear and 34 in shockwave with maul maxed.. it's good damage on p1. Obv the more the better but 40 is not minimum
first!
Looks weak af
its still trash.. low dmg low aoe