Fun fact, a decent number of the cheated missions have a worse time than my Personal Bests in normal speedrunning. Goes to show how immensely important practice is. And remembering where science vessels live....That is important too...
My idea was simply you couldn't use the same code in a row, one per mission, that way there is some pre-planning on which to use for most optimal times, occasionally using a random extra to reset the route on missions where you don't need anything extra
I wonder how many people thought of the only use the cheats once. I know I mentioned it in my comment, but I wanted it done on like.. nightmare mode. But thinking about it later nightmare even using some cheats would still take too long for a fun run.
Fun fact, Grant was faster on Waking the ancient with cheats (5:14), than his own Any% world record (6:00), but not faster than the current Any% world record: 4:00) (by Bloody). After seeing how chaotic Grants cheated run was, Bloodys route made things look really simple
I decided to map Grants cheated run times, vs his world record (main channel video) from 3 years ago. Spoilers below! Title | WR | Cheated | Cheat used Lab rat | 05:28 | 04:46 | IAmIronMan, +1 +1 upgrades + ling speed Back in the saddle |10:36 | 11:01 | - Rendevous | 07:33 | 06:24 | WhoRunBarterTown, 9999999 minerals & gas Domination | 04:19 | 05:28 | Bunker55AliveInside, Nothing costs supply Fire in the sky | 06:47 | 06:45 | MoreDotsMoreDots, Nothing costs money or energy Old soldiers | 04:10 | 02:40 | IAmIronMan Waking the ancient | 06:00 | 05:14 | Terribleterribledamage, Your units cant die and do 10x more damage The crucible | 25:52 | 00:02 | WhatsBestInLife, Win instantly (This wasn't included in the WR video, so the timestamp is from a different person: Stu) Supreme | 06:01 | 03:20 | MoreDotsMoreDots Harvest of screams | 03:58 | 05:18 | - Shoot the messenger | 02:09 | 02:28 | TookTheRedPill, entire map gets vision Enemy within | 07:40 | 07:14 | With friends like these | 06:38 | 02:33 | Conviction | 06:24 | 05:21 | Infested | 03:01 | 02:43 | Hand of darkness | 03:44 | 02:38 | Phantoms of the void | 08:26 | 08:09 | Planetfall | 13:33 | 00:01 | WhatsBestInLife Death from above | 02:19 | 02:21 | (The mission was restarted several time. the one he finshed was 2:21) The reckoning | 02:34 | 02:32 | All of these timestamps are ingame time, not realtime. I didn't include the time between missions, and I manually wrote down these times, so may be off by some seconds here and there. I also didn't use the timer on the score screen, because in the WR video, the score screen isn't shown
engaging with the bait: my guess for final non-cheat mission is "The Crucible" ("transform into primal"-mission, final Zerus mission) because it is a timed mission that you cannot speed up anyway
i agree, as per previous rules where u cant skip timed missions without killing all enemy bases and i dont actually know if there are bases to kill on that map edit: lol
Idea for LOTV: you must use a cheat code on every mission but you cannot use a cheat code a second time until you've used every other code once. You can still chose your route through the game but your past decisions on where to use each one can significantly impact where you might want to go next.
Weird to get here within the first minute, to have youtube use "seconds" on your videos page and on this video. I have really been enjoying the 1hp mod round 2. Keep up the great work.
Honestly some of the clever uses are very cool, like getting rid of fog of war to jump kerrigan to the end, you kind of do that twice. We got about 7 minutes left. Oh a restart, oh no!
You know, it's kinda weird that marines die to poison gas. Like, aren't they in a sealed space suit? Can Marines also not handle being in airless environments?
No matter how slow the rest is, that Crucible and Planetfall will make this run automatically a great deal faster than the WR. The fact IAmIronMan gives the ladder upgrades if they existed at that snapshot in time might have some use-case in a later mission that went un-cheated or used a lesser cheat. Maybe Kaldir?
8:50 maybe waking the ancient, most of the time spent in that mission is used in harvesting. Or perhaps the crucible. I am thinking either missions with lots of cheese that you don't need to bother with cheat codes or ones with timer locked objectives. Edit: Huh...
When it comes to missions that don't need a cheat (with the limitations in mind) I guess I'd choose: 1. The first 2 missions: - Add here all the missions that are in general seen as easy to speedrun 2. The Protoss ship mission: - We can add here all the no build missions since I don't think you can speed them up and if you used "terribledamage" on those you'd miss out on harder missions
SoSayWeAll is "allows all techs", I think HoradricCube "opens all Research Options" which might let you do Kerrigan ability shenanigans? might also ruin some stuff in later missions though?
I think the last mission, the reckoning i think is the name You just walk with kerrigan, burrow next to the final door and kinetic blast that bad boy until is destroyed and win at minute 0:00:0001
for the engagement bait, i think itll be the one where you break jim out of space jail, because i thiiink i remember there being an out of bounds glitch? unsure if its actually faster then normal tho
My guess is Supreme for no cheats, as it is already quite optimized and dialog heavy. The only cheat, which would help is 10x damage, which is probably better used elsewhere twice. I'm also somehow getting vibes, it's going to be Not-Vile-Disruption (whatever that mission is called, where you destroy mengsk's not-psi-disruptor)
I just watched the WoL video! I got just past red stone and then had to go to work and didn’t finish it, I think using each cheat once is a more interesting run.
I think the last mission to not use a cheat at first was the timed kerrigan defence, but I feel like thats a prime one for instant win. Maybe the zaggy? Theres not much you can do to make that one faster considering how well mapped grant has had that in the past. Ill return to this later
It would make so much more sense to if the rules excluded instant win at all and for the rest allowed one cheat per mission (and no cheats in the Hyperion). That way you don't have the debate what should count as destroying all hatcheries/CCs/nexi.
Love the series. ❤ I am really curious about a "cheater gets all achievements" run. The skip mission cheat would not be nearly as good. And with all achievements you would be allowed to put less cheating restrictions, maybe 3 or 5 uses. Or consider different money cheats. Edit: I just realized you cannot get achievements with cheats... So you would have to track it manually. Still it could be interesting
My guess would be Crucible for no cheats. Doesnt make much of a difference if you cheat since its timed and without any additional challenges a loss is rather unlikely
If I have to guess, about like eight minutes in, I imagine you don't cheat on the uh, infiltrate protoss ship mission; there's not much to be done to hasten that.
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Fun fact, a decent number of the cheated missions have a worse time than my Personal Bests in normal speedrunning.
Goes to show how immensely important practice is.
And remembering where science vessels live....That is important too...
My idea was simply you couldn't use the same code in a row, one per mission, that way there is some pre-planning on which to use for most optimal times, occasionally using a random extra to reset the route on missions where you don't need anything extra
I wonder how many people thought of the only use the cheats once. I know I mentioned it in my comment, but I wanted it done on like.. nightmare mode. But thinking about it later nightmare even using some cheats would still take too long for a fun run.
grant didnt notice the first cheat turned his zerglings into raptorlings somehow. why? no one knows
Mr President there was a second vessel
Bold move, Mr. Raynor, collecting Quillgor from 7 places at once!
On that day on Zerus, nothing noteworthy happened.
Grant: Rolling over Zagara's base with infinity banelings.
Izsha: Have you put 3 in gas??? You clearly need help.
the way grant missed the 2nd essence pool on zerus by clicking on the floater...
trolled by neutral animals
I didn't see that floater right click, just saw how Kerrigan went by it and didn't understand why
That really hurt to watch
Fun fact, Grant was faster on Waking the ancient with cheats (5:14), than his own Any% world record (6:00), but not faster than the current Any% world record: 4:00) (by Bloody).
After seeing how chaotic Grants cheated run was, Bloodys route made things look really simple
31:29 GRANT NO
Yeah, IAmIronMan is a lot of fun with certain units, Ultras become completely broken with 8 armour for example.
I'm gonna say it: you won't use any cheat code on The Reckoning because there's nothing faster than just blasting the door with sneaky Kerrigan.
Dang, I was going to say that Planetfall can't be sped up much due to the wait for the launchers to land, but that's a good point.
I decided to map Grants cheated run times, vs his world record (main channel video) from 3 years ago.
Spoilers below!
Title | WR | Cheated | Cheat used
Lab rat | 05:28 | 04:46 | IAmIronMan, +1 +1 upgrades + ling speed
Back in the saddle |10:36 | 11:01 | -
Rendevous | 07:33 | 06:24 | WhoRunBarterTown, 9999999 minerals & gas
Domination | 04:19 | 05:28 | Bunker55AliveInside, Nothing costs supply
Fire in the sky | 06:47 | 06:45 | MoreDotsMoreDots, Nothing costs money or energy
Old soldiers | 04:10 | 02:40 | IAmIronMan
Waking the ancient | 06:00 | 05:14 | Terribleterribledamage, Your units cant die and do 10x more damage
The crucible | 25:52 | 00:02 | WhatsBestInLife, Win instantly (This wasn't included in the WR video, so the timestamp is from a different person: Stu)
Supreme | 06:01 | 03:20 | MoreDotsMoreDots
Harvest of screams | 03:58 | 05:18 | -
Shoot the messenger | 02:09 | 02:28 | TookTheRedPill, entire map gets vision
Enemy within | 07:40 | 07:14 |
With friends like these | 06:38 | 02:33 |
Conviction | 06:24 | 05:21 |
Infested | 03:01 | 02:43 |
Hand of darkness | 03:44 | 02:38 |
Phantoms of the void | 08:26 | 08:09 |
Planetfall | 13:33 | 00:01 | WhatsBestInLife
Death from above | 02:19 | 02:21 | (The mission was restarted several time. the one he finshed was 2:21)
The reckoning | 02:34 | 02:32 |
All of these timestamps are ingame time, not realtime.
I didn't include the time between missions, and I manually wrote down these times, so may be off by some seconds here and there.
I also didn't use the timer on the score screen, because in the WR video, the score screen isn't shown
34:49 well, this is indeed a timed defense mission, and you did clear all hatcheries on the map
Watching Kerrigan expertly dodge that primal essence on the 2nd pool was painful.
engaging with the bait:
my guess for final non-cheat mission is "The Crucible" ("transform into primal"-mission, final Zerus mission)
because it is a timed mission that you cannot speed up anyway
Grant saying "there's no benefit to cheating" in a speedrun entirely about cheating in a speedrun may well be peak Grant
its got to be either the crucible or friends like these
The Crucible might be the last mission without cheats
i agree, as per previous rules where u cant skip timed missions without killing all enemy bases and i dont actually know if there are bases to kill on that map
edit: lol
13:05 Didn't know that you could use your last drone to create a structure and not die.
Kerrigan never learned from Zasz
31:27 I'm at a loss of words. Does that even count as a misclick
I really like watching your videos while eating dinner, breakfeast, ect. Really makes the day better
Zurvan: ThErE iS
Grant: doesn't
Idea for LOTV: you must use a cheat code on every mission but you cannot use a cheat code a second time until you've used every other code once. You can still chose your route through the game but your past decisions on where to use each one can significantly impact where you might want to go next.
29:23 I...did not even think that was possible. Holy crap.
1/1 zergling speed op in that specific mission. AMAZING i love it XD
Weird to get here within the first minute, to have youtube use "seconds" on your videos page and on this video. I have really been enjoying the 1hp mod round 2. Keep up the great work.
Thirty Seven minutes in I've got Zeratul Hopping Vibes.
Honestly some of the clever uses are very cool, like getting rid of fog of war to jump kerrigan to the end, you kind of do that twice. We got about 7 minutes left. Oh a restart, oh no!
Having watched it at 1.5x speed we finished it right before 3 AM Nice. Good run.
You know, it's kinda weird that marines die to poison gas. Like, aren't they in a sealed space suit? Can Marines also not handle being in airless environments?
8:40 I'd guess that the Crucible is the other one that you don't cheat on... since it's a timed mission anyway?
This is what I thought immediately as well. Which makes me think it’s bait bc he’s asking for guesses when it’s (seemingly) obvious
Ope he admits to it being engagement bait lmao
Right, forgot about what's best in life. Rookie mistake :P
8:35 The one where you free Jim from the prison i think
No matter how slow the rest is, that Crucible and Planetfall will make this run automatically a great deal faster than the WR.
The fact IAmIronMan gives the ladder upgrades if they existed at that snapshot in time might have some use-case in a later mission that went un-cheated or used a lesser cheat. Maybe Kaldir?
Grant missing that second essence in the first Zerus mission by a hair's sliver of clicking was killing me until he noticed it T_T
that zergling speed tech is hilarious
8:50 maybe waking the ancient, most of the time spent in that mission is used in harvesting. Or perhaps the crucible.
I am thinking either missions with lots of cheese that you don't need to bother with cheat codes or ones with timer locked objectives.
Edit: Huh...
Hanshotfirst will significantly reduce the Archangel boss fight time
I’m guessing the cheatless mission is Friends Like These
When it comes to missions that don't need a cheat (with the limitations in mind) I guess I'd choose:
1. The first 2 missions:
- Add here all the missions that are in general seen as easy to speedrun
2. The Protoss ship mission:
- We can add here all the no build missions since I don't think you can speed them up and if you used "terribledamage" on those you'd miss out on harder missions
I imagine if you aren't allowing the instawin cheat, then the Crucible would be the other mission to not use cheats.
SoSayWeAll is "allows all techs", I think HoradricCube "opens all Research Options" which might let you do Kerrigan ability shenanigans? might also ruin some stuff in later missions though?
Energy, Minerals, and Vespene Gas all counts under cost.
I feel like the 4th mission would be Enemy Within, Friends like These or whichever the prision ship mission is.
Dont think its zergling speed, it turns your zerglings into raptorlings. look at their wings
That’s what multiplayer zergling speed does too
I got baited for engagement.
I really like this series :D
Man, HanShotFirst with Leviathan/Drop Pods would have been funny though
I think the last mission, the reckoning i think is the name
You just walk with kerrigan, burrow next to the final door and kinetic blast that bad boy until is destroyed and win at minute 0:00:0001
Supreme is the final cheatless
missed the chance to use OverEngineeredCodPiece to play Terran Up the Night during the second mission while waiting for triggers ; _ ;
not even ten minutes in, and I'm thinking "hmm... what would the SC1 and BW version of this be like?"
for the engagement bait, i think itll be the one where you break jim out of space jail, because i thiiink i remember there being an out of bounds glitch? unsure if its actually faster then normal tho
My guess is Supreme for no cheats, as it is already quite optimized and dialog heavy. The only cheat, which would help is 10x damage, which is probably better used elsewhere twice. I'm also somehow getting vibes, it's going to be Not-Vile-Disruption (whatever that mission is called, where you destroy mengsk's not-psi-disruptor)
Slinging hot pizza demand your toppings in the first hour
Great creative idea for the video.
Damn Jimmy, are those Giant Grant Games's multi dumb failures in Death from above?
I'm guessing that the mission with the chrysalis just because it has a timer that you can't speed up
I just watched the WoL video! I got just past red stone and then had to go to work and didn’t finish it, I think using each cheat once is a more interesting run.
My first thought for the last non-cheat mission is one of the Dominion Space missions
Probably With Friends Like These?
The best cheat of them all are the cheats we made along the way
I think the last mission to not use a cheat at first was the timed kerrigan defence, but I feel like thats a prime one for instant win. Maybe the zaggy? Theres not much you can do to make that one faster considering how well mapped grant has had that in the past. Ill return to this later
Enemy within no cheat
First Kaldir mission second use of Iamironman
Loving the ruleset thus far!
It would make so much more sense to if the rules excluded instant win at all and for the rest allowed one cheat per mission (and no cheats in the Hyperion). That way you don't have the debate what should count as destroying all hatcheries/CCs/nexi.
Love the series. ❤ I am really curious about a "cheater gets all achievements" run. The skip mission cheat would not be nearly as good. And with all achievements you would be allowed to put less cheating restrictions, maybe 3 or 5 uses. Or consider different money cheats.
Edit: I just realized you cannot get achievements with cheats... So you would have to track it manually. Still it could be interesting
My guess for the mission without cheats is crucible due to it being a timed defense mission
My guess would be Crucible for no cheats. Doesnt make much of a difference if you cheat since its timed and without any additional challenges a loss is rather unlikely
My thought on the no-cheat mission is Supreme. I don't know of any cheats that'd help tremendously there?
If I have to guess, about like eight minutes in,
I imagine you don't cheat on the uh, infiltrate protoss ship mission; there's not much to be done to hasten that.
I bet it's The Crucible. Idk what cheat could make a timed defence mission faster.
Oh-ho, this is fun! And it gives me hope for a N.C.O. edition? :D
Jimmy rescue?
40:00 did grant just.. cheated in his cheat speedrun? I am kinda confused on rules.
Neverminda, i expected Grant to find the proper cheat and do it, or something... i already forgot few minutes ago.
Heart of the swarm marine only nightmare when?
Grant, I believe some missio NBN s would be faster on Brutal because if no tutorial triggers by Izsha
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What if someone found a way to skip voice lines one day^^
39 views in 2 minutes bro fell off (I love you grant lol
My guess about 4th non-cheat mission is The Crucible, long defense mission, never liked it, for me zerg just don't feel good on defense
Would it not be the longest mission for a speedrun? So a straight skip if that cheat still works.
Noice
I know it's a cheaty run, but instawin at the start of a mission just... feels bad? Otherwise entertaining.
57 sec ago lol
The last no cheet mission is the Kerrigan cocoon mission cause it's a fix time you gotta defend
he can just use the autowin cheat tho, and thats probably the absolute best place to use it
Grant, I believe some missio NBN s would be faster on Brutal because if no tutorial triggers by Izsha