@@BlueAmerican26 I'm definitely not hating on the guy and I give him credit for putting his money where is mouth is, but he may be in over his head dealing with big roster. I hope it goes well tho
Checks and balances is the perfect term that needs to happen in wrestling. You can’t give creative control to a talent it needs to be a happy medium between talent and people in the back
Booker, I've been a fan of yours for over 20 years and have enjoyed your work along the way. Just want to say my thank you for the thrills and laughs you provided! Thank you for always being real. Much love.
I completely agree with Booker 100%. If you don’t know your history you’re doomed to repeat its mistakes. The grass is not always greener on the other side. If there is no control in the work place, it will get completely out of control. Vince had been in the business for over 40 years that’s why WWE is where it is today compared to WCW, TNA and AEW.
TNA (Impact Wrestling) has been around since 2002, almost over 20 years. The promotion definitely has control of the locker. Same with Major League Wrestling (since 2002) and the National Wrestling Alliance (since the 1930s/1940s) which has been around even before the WWE.
Exactly Booker, Tony Khan has to have a set and stand up to these guys no matter how big of a star they are (or think they are)... Like WWE said years ago "No one man is bigger than the company"
@@pleaseshutup7053 dude, Vince let HBK get away with so much stuff, to this day I still see people wondering if they were doing some stuff together behind the scenes
@@misters4022 don't think Kenny is involved since he's been gone but the Bucks have buried FTR they should be Champions and running the tag division but instead are feuding with Jay Lethals crew it should be DTR vs Swerve in our glory at All Out
@@Baraka_Obama_ agreed. think each side has their flaws. punk is insufferably self centered and sometimes disingenuous but he is a good promo and a good wrestler, understands psychology wayyy moreee than the bucks and omega. meanwhile ...kenny omega and the bucks are still younger than cm punk and they have many yrs ahead of them moreso than punk so I think if you tony I guess u have to go with punk as champion until you can squeeze that juice out for everything its worth but man he aint gonn make it easy backstage
Truth be told, most people kinda thought it was odd when Page said he was there to save AEW from him during their feud. If that was a shoot, then I don't blame Punk. And I like Page.
The lines about masterbatory Brett Hart tributes ect as well seemed like they were legit shots cause seriously who would that even appeal and why is it relevant to the storyline?
That's what I think too 100%!!! I didn't like or understand why Adam Page came out the Blue painting Punk like a phony with a Heel turn coming in his Promo. It put Punk in a weird position and it didn't fit and it didn't feel right. I think this is Punk's revenge for that and it IS deserved because that was messed up of Page and didn't make anything Better for him doing that.
@@jtsra7 Eddie Kingston also hates Punk on the show, has said he always hated him and how he is a P.O.S and fake (in character), he says the same about Claudio despite Claudio being a face. MJF was also calling Punk fake, I think they are doing an angle on Punk being a selfish guy. Whether it is true or not I don't know, maybe a bit of blurring the lines. We will have to see what happens going in to All Out.
i could see that. i empathize with hangman though because everyone's else hands are cuffed while punk gets free reigns to do whatever he wants? nahhhh lol if im hangman and at the time he was cold as a fish market, that promo was wat u needed. but can punk dish it out but not take it though?
I'm on Punk's side on this one because that Hangman promo was Screwed up and was trying to derail all the baby face momentum on Punk in order to make himself a bigger face. I didn't like Page doing that either.
@@jtsra7 true but remember punk (as a face) got free reign to shoot himself. and another thing: punk had 2-3 promos as a champion and didnt say nothing about that promo anyways so why now? which is why theres obviously much more to the story. I dont condone what hangman did but perhaps half the locker room was already getting sick and tired of cm punk even then
Dude, booker t been watching you for a long time, I love how honest you are about everything. I think you made the exact point with Mandy rose. I’m glad your girl won it off of her! Much respect booker. Always a fan, say what you mean and I love it.
I really wish Booker was in AEW. The man is a phenomenal wrestler (one of my top favorites along with Shelton Benjamin, Taz, Shinsuke Nakamura, Sabu & Kurt Angle). He'd be a great trainer/coach & his ROW wrestling academy would definitey make a great developmental territory. I guess WWE was smart in signing him to a legends contract so that AEW wouldn't sign him.
Lets crystalise the issue that Punk has. Its not "don't say this about me in a promo"... its "don't go around convincing the internet that I'm playing politics and having your EVP friends and Uncle Dave let people believe I'm getting people fired" I can understand Punk's frustration here. Cause look at the interviewer dude here. He totally believes Page and the Kukumanga kids are being abused here.
The matches ,the performance, won't be what brings down this company ultimately. The fact that Tony is a clown, and a mark is what will bring down the company.. He wanted everybody to like him more than McMahon, and because he was more concerned about that, these are the dynamics of his company now. Until he actually becomes a real man, and stop being a fan boy, and a bootloader, until he stops behaving that way, the company won't change for the better.
Frfr he looks trash every time I see him wrestling that promo on mox was crazy all the things he said didn’t make any since everybody else makes him look good yeah your cm punk not that longest world champion cm punk he said he came back to help new talent but nope
Right now ego and nepotism is dragging AEW down. Combined with bad/nonexistent booking, and a boss that’s in over there head you start to see this promising company become it’s worst enemy. I want to see AEW be successful, I really do. A Jim Cornette type personality would do wonders for this company.
At least in WWE I could sympathize with his bad booking post pipe bomb. Even when he was champ he rarely main evented. But now he seems much more abrasive and close minded. Also I can't stop looking at that Bear T.
So CM punk is not delivering???? 😂😂😂 This last couple of months AEW has gone downhill, in two weeks CM Punk comes back, and puts AEW on the map, when everybody is talking about triple h and wwe. THINK GUYS
And they bday he’s not a draw😂so why is he the biggest story in wrestling right now as soon as he returns? Stories like this is what gets people watching!
Seems funny to me that the only people that have had a problem with him all come from a certain circle. While the young guys who aren't cliqued up keep giving interviews about how much they love having him there. Also seems strange that something which happened back in May made him want to quit, but just two weeks ago he had tears in his eyes at comicon talking about how grateful he was to be back and how he was gonna do it for as long as he's able. And I wouldn't think anything of it were it not for the fact that one of the people involved belongs to a group that has most of the wrestling media in their pocket, and a history of trying to discredit anyone that doesn't embrace their style of wrestling. See what no one wants to mention is all the little potshots they've been taking at him and Danielson both since they got there, and it was MJF and FTR who were their targets before that. See the theme there?
Dude Cm Punk has always been this way since his ROH and indy days he likes things his way.I would say both are wrong specially since supposedly Hangman didn't talk to Punk to say things but Punk looked so bad by making Hangman a top face look like coward
There may be something to that. But CM punk is a very combustible personality to add to any locker room it was only a matter of time before some situation came up. I'm sure the aew clique doesn't want to give up their standing in the company and TK is very much into Punk so that in a way threatens certain guys
Danielson should have told Khan no thank you as well on losing to Page. Danielson was white hot, and Page was forgettable. Don't blame Punk. Page also called him out when he was not there. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.
He just won the title that was his 1st defense that would’ve been bad booking 101 what killed hangmans momentum was tony not booking him he even said this.
Don't you get that this is all a work? 😂😂 Aew was beeing surpassed by this news of WWE and triple h taking Over, after yesterday everybody was talking about aew, punk , mox , Adam Page , the aew title and even MJF rumours. This is well done, i think its gonna be a 3 way Adam Page v Punk v mox at all out.
I disagree with Booker. Hangman went off script to shit on punk for Cabana almost being fired and then moved to ROH. That's real life heat and I doubt CM Punk exclusively asked for this but probably didn't want the man who threw him under the fkn bus in the middle of a lawsuit to benefit from the exposure of coming out with hangman and backing him up during the hangman punk feud. Then hangman says this in the middle of a face to face promo and goes off script making not only the promo not make sense but making CM Punks next lines have to be ad-libbed or making him look confused in the middle of the ring on live TV. So I completely agree with Punks receipt. He didn't make the show worse by saying it, the promo still made sense and was well delivered unlike hangman's, and one way or another made him look like a chump or not if they ever have a match again people will be very invested. You don't talk about real life personal issues that do not involve you unless it's authorized and discussed with the boss and the other wrestler. Sammy Guevara called Eddie a Fat piece of shit without clearing it with him first and got smacked in the face, imagine how touchy a subject of best friends falling out after a lawsuit must be and on top of that you're going off script and potentially trying to embarrass punk if he was any lesser on the mic. And I say this with the utmost disrespect to hangman I think he's been Uber shit for all of his AEW run, Punk didn't need a feud with hangman, punk is gonna sell out arenas regardless, it was fckin Adam Page the one that desperately needed this feud against punk to be recognized as a star and he fumbled every step of that way. Hangman should have been fired but he wasn't because he's best friends with 3 of the 4 bosses. He wasn't gonna make it big anywhere else, WWE probably would have slapped one IC title on him before repackaging him like 5 times and dropping him into the 24/7 title picture with R truth.
@harvard smith deangelo the highest rated segments in all 3 years of AEW are CM punk segments... that's literally what moving the needle means. If the viewership has gone down it isn't because of him, it's because for the better part of the last year most top wrestlers in the promotion were injured leaving the show In the hands of the B team with a huge D- of a champion in Adam Page... the elite have been pretty un-elite, more like average since Cody left
@@playmaker5515 it’s like a TV show, it was good when it was new and then it fell off. I would rather watch WWE more nowadays since Triple H is in charge.
Looks like Mr. Gilmore was either trying to stir things up or really doesn't like Punk. 1- Very conveniently didn't mention at all part of those "reports" that it was all actually started by Page months ago and Punk was just giving him the "receipt". 2- To "prove" Punk's so called bad behavior at backstage, he brings up Summer of Punk storyline from WWE like a total mark as if everything said on TV during that storyline was real. I agree on one thing, it's NEVER good to go into the business by yourself and Punk could've been the bigger man there and sorted things out backstage rather than getting back to Page on national TV like Page did to him but we don't know how much tension is/was between them and if there was any talk backstage.
What real "fight fan" would EVER tune in to see someone that could not win an MMA fight. He could not win a single fight there, but he's the world champion??? He's small, he's old, every opponent has had to carry him through his matches. It makes wrestling look FAKE as hell. I'll start watching again when he is GONE!!!
It's not that he lost. It's how he lost. He looked like a little girl against pretty much nobodies. That and him taking a spot on ppv from someone who actually deserved it because of name recognition was just about the biggest hypocrite thing ever done by a wrestler. Cm punk is literally the biggest hypocrite in wrestling history. Period.
@@jwduckpaddle Well, let's just list all of the people that could beat C M Punk. Well, everyone in the WWE, even Rey. In AEW we have Wardlow, Hager, Mox, Hangman, Kenny, Miro, Murder Hawk, Hobbs, Claudio, and so many more would simply embarrass this old fart. I think even Jim Ross might have a chance to beat him. It is a complete and total JOKE. What MMA fan would EVER say "Hey, that guy that couldn't even win a fight in practice, how's he doing over there in wrestling? He's the CHAMP. OMG. What a JOKE." Be a fan if you want. It just says something about YOU! You want "pretend" over "real", and the reason for is that .... (just fill in the blank, because it does not matter at that point.)
@@jwduckpaddle Look at it this way. Back in the day in Mid South wrestling Cowboy Bill Watts had a rule that if you ever went to a bar or anywhere and you got into a fight, you had better win. If someone kicked you butt in a bar somewhere, you were FIRED on the spot. He said that he could not have a person wrestling that fans knew could not win a fight. Well, C M Punk went out and LOST EVERY FIGHT he was in. He is by definition a LOSER!!!! How can someone PROMOTE someone that CAN"T FIGHT!!!! He makes all of wrestling into a freaking JOKE!!!
2:20 - everybody seems to be “reading between the lines” and coming to the conclusion that it’s about Punk “getting his way” ... but for some reason nobody will acknowledge that maybe Punk is just saying “what you are doing isn’t working as well as you guys think it is” and people are getting butthurt about it.
exactly name one big star in the last couple of years who hasn;t made a few demands or been out for themselves a lot of aew has goofing shit going on and i don;t blame punk for trying to stay away from the silliness. Austin didn;t want to work with marc mero or jeff jarrett. did anyone get on his case?
MJF and Punk are the two most compelling guys on the roster and it's not even close. Also they are by far the best at booking themselves and their feuds because they understand wrestling. If they get special treatment it's because THEY EARNED IT
You are not wrong. But then the same could be said about Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan. You could say it about Stone cold Steve Austin. It's weird how some of the most compelling characters. Are also some of the most political backstage. I'm not trying to say whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. I'm just pointing out the stars that rise the highest, are often attached to people who know exactly what they want, and don't let other people stop them from getting it. Even if that does mean hurting some feelings.
@@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177 yeah but the difference is that all those guys just jockeyed to win whereas MJF and Punk just went matches that are booked well that make everyone look good, but a lot of modern wrestlers are idiots about that
So when Punk is presumably telling Hangman to slow it down and sell more and he is saying "no" Hangman is being a dumbass. And he's not respecting a guy with more knowledge. And Punk does know better and beyond being a bigger star, he should be listened to. He'll, Punk and MJF could book the show and it would be much better
@@indiesongwriter5474 Punk is an ego maniac though, he is the reason Cabana no longer has a career in AEW, he was making progress their & it grinded to a halt, the irony is Punk used to rally against wrestlers using their backstage stroke to get their way & what has he done himself? Booked himself too the position he wins the title with very little build up, if anyone thinks Colt wanted to go to ROH they are delusional, that would be like going from Raw to NxT willingly
@@Stuart267 Punk is egotistical and whether he is more of a bad or good person, I don't know. You might be right, you may be wrong. I will say that Colt isn't talented enough to be a major guy, probably belongs in the undercard. That's not personal, that's just business
I have watched AEW before it became a promotion. And despite its quality matches that it constantly put on, I have noticed some struggles from the company. And it falls solely on Tony Khan. He's still green as a CEO, at some point in time he needs to get control of his company, and stop compromising his company for ratings. That's how he lost Cody Rhodes to WWE. I hope he doesn't lose MJF or Adam Page.
You make some good points, but you blatantly either lied about Cody or you dont know the facts. The facts are, AEW could have chose to roll Cody's contract over for another year and he had no choice, but Khan CHOSE to let Cody's deal expire. So, yeah...
Yeah Tony really needs an experienced booker like Gado or someone like that to help him out with booking stuff.Because I am still scratching my head over the decision to putting Punk vs Mox on TV it has to be something huge to replace a champ vs champ match.Also AEW need more character development and tell people who these guys are.Bryan alvarez perfectly described AEW last week he said AEW feels like "the cool kids club"aka the super hardcore fans that watch everything so Tony thinks everyone knows so that is why he doesn't do video packages to introduce people but most of the time it really doesn't work and the ratings patterns do reflect that
I think the fact that Hangman did an interview and said he doesn’t need to take advice from the veterans and legends in AEW like JR, Mark Henry, Paul White, and others made Punk finally say, “Okay I’m done with this dude”.. Punk said in his promo, “Here’s some ADVICE that I suggest you take.. the apology needs to be as public and as loud as the disrespect”.. it wasn’t just about Hangman’s shoot promo. It was also about Hangman’s disregard of the experienced minds he works with.
just speculation but what IF in his contract TK agreed to let Cabana go. then when it was gonna happen Page and Co, freaked out and TK caved in and signed him to ROH which is probably his sticking point with the disrespect
I think that the Punk/Mox unification match being moved up to Dynamite is telling. If Mox wins, then it says Khan is on the side of Jobman Adam Page and Punk won’t be around much longer. If Punk wins, it’s Punks show. Period.
Booker is correct. All these issues and rumors stem from TK allowing the inmates to run the asylum. He must take control and hire an experienced team to help him, the whole thing with active wrestlers being your EVPs never sat well with me either....
TK needs to stop being a friend and be the boss. But it won't happen because the wrestlers don't respect him. The AEW wrestlers look at Tony the same way wcw wrestlers viewed Eric Bischoff back in the late 90's. A giant ATM to take money from then not listen to anything else
Tony Khan's main problem is that he wants to have AEW be able to reach WWE's business success while running it like a glamorized indy promotion. You can't become a behemoth like WWE if you cater to the smark crowd. You have to make concessions and pander to a lower common denominator. Khan has to choose a direction. Either be satisfied running a clubhouse for your friends or do business like the corporations. CM Punk, Adam Page, doesn't matter who is right. None of this would have happened if Tony Khan was more a business person than a mark.
The matches ,the performance, won't be what brings down this company ultimately. The fact that Tony is a clown, and a mark is what will bring down the company.. He wanted everybody to like him more than McMahon, and because he was more concerned about that, these are the dynamics of his company now. Until he actually becomes a real man, and stops being a fan boy, and a bootloader, until he stops behaving that way, the company won't change for the better.
Let's break this down.. (and this is coming from someone who is not a CM Punk fan).. What did CM Punk say wrong in his shoot? For them to say that he was only in it for himself and doesn't care about the locker room is total bs.. The dude came in and had multiple matches with lower card talent and made them look good. Gave them more in a match than they would have ever thought they would get. 2 - He was attacked first. Just because someone didn't fit into your little video game gymnastics routine matches (talking about the Bucks, Kenny and Page), doesn't mean he's against your locker room. 3- When Punk said Hangman Page went out and said he doesn't listen to anybody even though they have Jerry Lynn, William Regal, Mark Henry, Jim Ross etc in the locker room, WHAT DID HE SAY THAT WASN'T TRUE THERE? Prime example of this: AEW has the greatest announcer/storyteller in the HISTORY of pro wrestling and when Page, the Bucks, and Omega go out there and do their little gymnastic spotfests, Jim Ross can't even tell a story no matter how hard he tries because they don't care about even making their own moves count or their own finishers thus they can't expand their audience beyond their little 900,000-1 mil people. THIS IS EXACTLY why you should listen to the veterans that were on top of the pro wrestling world across multiple decades. And to completely disrespect your veterans that you could learn something from, nope you're going to go "well, I really don't listen to anybody"... 4- What Tony Kahn should do is actually make these veterans in charge of matches and take away the EVP titles from the Bucks and Omega and put those titles on people like Jerry Lynn, Jim Ross, William Regal. Talent should never be in charge of anything. AEW would be way better off this way. Imagine if Booker T tried to teach one of his students how to do something and the completely disregarded him - One, they' probably get their a** whooped and would be sent home. This is what pro wresting needs again - It needs to be a closed off business again and not let in these little indy midgets do what they want and disrespect anyone they want.
@D L Look, you're not wrong. I will be the first to say that I never liked Punk from the time he thought he was above an Undertaker match at WrestleMania.. He should have been standing up and saying "Thank you Mr. Undertaker for letting me breathe in the same room as you". Now, you can't deny that when Punk came in, he was working with lower card talent and making them look good. He was kind of doing what Bret Hart did with the 1-2-3-Kid. With that said, the Bucks, Page and Kenny have absolutely no respect towards the business and it's evident in their matches that the don't listen to veterans one bit. They actually make their moves not matter at all, and I KNOW this is not something Jerry Lynn, Regal, Ross, Malenko would condone. Shawn Michaels threw one superkick in a match and made it count.. They throw 15 in a match and not make them count for squat. Jim Ross has been on record as saying that talent think they know better and don't listen to veterans at all. THE ONLY one that you could say truly listens to veterans is Darby Allin. They even asked Darby what he thought of JR's comments and as a true student of the game, he said he loves JR and completely agrees with him. Now, does Darby Allin do some crazy stuff? Indeed he does. But what;s the mains difference in Darby Allin's game and the Elite? Darby actually SELLS and makes his moves COUNT. Meanwhile, the Elite and Page think they're smarter and don't need to listen to the vets and it is absolutely evident in their matches. Instead of maximizing their minutes, they're hitting 3 piledrivers in a row and their opponents are kicking out at 1 and a half.. So basically they're taking a highly dangerous move such as a piledriver and completely telling the audience "this is not dangerous at all, and we're having fun out here".. None of these guys care about the business one bit, if they did, they wouldn't be making a mockery out of it every time they go in that ring and do their little catch gymnastics.
As much as I like Punk, I am now starting to see just how much of a pain in the ass DIVA that CM Punk is. I'm starting to see why Triple H was fed up with his ass
Exactly triple H at least admitted he was a selfish prick but CM punk backs himself into a corner were is always right and even if you say one small thing he gets upset asf and goes on a rant dude is worse then a addict with mode swings frfr
AEW guys, please keep throwing the pipebombs at cm fucking punk. Love it when people get taste of their own medicine. There's problems anywhere he goes, but the problem is never him, it's the promotion...
Punk also digs at Eddie Kingston for whatever reason during that promo, which makes no sense except to stoke his ego. I know many people are enamored with him, but stories about his attitude go back to his original ROH run, and now that he is working for someone that is a mark and not a strong leader, he is going to run amuck. The irony is that people mark out the song "Cult of Personality" and do not understand the irony of it when it relates to Punk.
Eddie and punk feuded and still don’t like each other, and Eddie is in the BCC with Moxley. That’s not the same as bringing up Page who had literally zero connection to both people in the feud
You do recall the rivalry and promos that CM Punk and Eddie Kingston had earlier in the year? The dislike between the two goes back all the way to the early 2000's early in their Professional Wrestling Careers. The animosity they have toward one another is genuine and stretches across several Professional Wrestling Promotions..
@@JuliusC1973 So, like almost everything else that comes out of CM Punk's mouth and a lot of AEW's booking, they bring up things that have nothing to do with what they are currently trying to sell just to get a rise out of die-hard fans. What was with the name-dropping of Kofi Kingston and John Cena then? People can try to dress this up however they want, but it came across as petty and the guy doing his own thing just because he feels like he can.
@@Jhoncena22 Eddie Kingston is the BCC. Since when? Just because they threw all those people together for that cage match does not make this connection in any way. Kingston was just in that horrible feud with Jericho, so he has had nothing to do with this aside from he is friends with Moxley, and he had a thing with Punk. Kingston does not like Danielson either. Should they have brought that up too?
The problem with AEW is that punk is getting backlash for literally doing the same thing that the idiot bucks and omega do all the time without retribution
When did the idiot bucks and omega do the things Punk did? Punk is butthurt because of a promo so he went in to business for himself and shit on the business.
Tony has to start stepping up as a boss and stop trying to be peoples friend. Letting Philip get away with this sends a message that the big ex-WWE stars can do anything they want without repercussions. You don’t want to be working your wrestlers because it makes your company look low rent. You know what company allowed that to happen? WCW. And all the signs that took them down are starting to show up in AEW. Younger stars are getting frustrated and no doubt that HHH would love to step in with a briefcase of money to steal people away.
Also he would be exactly like WCW and like Vince sometimes with some people which people have criticized.Tony really needs to be different from other bookers and act like the boss.
exactly. besides...punk had a few promos to shoot at hangman before he got injured so this "receipt" about hangman mentioning colt cabana is not adding up timeline wise
Wcw went down because Warner aol didnt want wrestling. Period. They were owned by a company that didnt want them. If eric had been able to buy them they would still be around. It had nothing to do wwf guys having power or anything else. Wcw died because the people who owned didnt want it to exist. So much so they sold it for basically nothing to the competition just to make sure it died.
If this is a work then AEW has ruined Moxley momentum by taking all the attention to Hangman and Punk just like they did to Wardlow after beating MJF, they move all the attention to MJF after the promo and Wardlow has lost a lot of mommentum
Yeah this a problem with AEW it seems they don't know how to follow momentum up Wardlow felt like he was about to become Batista and the MJF stuff completely killed his momentum.Supposey according to Fightful part of the reason Cm Punk was mad because supposedly Moxley was winning and was getting time off Punk and Phill being Phill was mad.
The MJF angle is definitely a work, him being off television is to make it all look real. The Punk and Page angle is most likely a well rehearsed elaborate work because CM Punk was punched out and didn't defend himself?..NOPE! All of it is in an effort to pick up their ratings because since triple H his bestie and his wife have taken over WWE the ratings continues to go up significantly while AEW has become rather redundant.
Adam Paige is a mid carder WAY out of his depth due to nepotism. I hope CM Punk continues to show this little clown how disgustingly unimportant he is.
Punk has changed AEW. Punk & MJF angle gave park full control imo because they stalled their best asset. What actually needs to be discussed is why they want to go backwards. Do these presidents want what is best for the company? To summarize my point, once they buried wardlow & lost mjf. They gave the so called ego man the best tag team in wrestling. This will go crazy if both side keep telling how they feel.
Hopefully this is a work and CM Punk keeps baiting people for the next year. You say CM Punk bad and oh boy does the internet hop up. Who know whats what
For all those defending punk and saying Adam called for it.... nope... first off Adam and punk was in a "feud programme" and you are allowed to take liberties. But to stay butthurt for months.... THEN when in a feud with another person (jon moxley) then you want to chop the legs out from adam page just because you owed a "receipt"... thats not leader or veteren behaviour its almost as if he is becoming who he hated in wwe....
Just look at the ratings they are trash with or without him. If stone cold, John Cena, the rock, Lesnar, and roman reigns music hit in aew they would bring the world down and aew would sky rocket. Cm punk had what 2 weeks and the rating went right back in the dump
There is nothing there that can't be fixed, but TK has to make big decisions. 1) You pay MJF if you want to keep him. 2) you take the title away from CM Punk because you can't let anyone do business for himself. This must have consequences.
I mean, if I was a CM level star and someone like Hangman. He’s good in the ring but that’s where the story ends. Hangman shooting on me as CM is massively disrespectful. And if I don’t wanna put him over, Idt it’s an issue. Hangman is a really good wrestler in a company where there are at least 15 really great wrestlers in-ring and Promo-wise ahead of him. He needs to show respect, EVP or not
@@22srs22 funny how adam page is crying coz he will never at the level of CM PUNK. Punk was more over in the 8 years he wasnt wrestling than Adam paige was when he became champion and thats facts
Hangman should have went down there anyway. Should have said that it was real brave of Punk to call him out while on the toilet and now that he is not all bound up, it time for that match.
All friends wrestling getting exposed by the voice of the voiceless I fking love it thats why everyone loved CM punk in WWE he doesnt bullshit just speaks straight up truth
Just like the movie industry wrestling have its ups and downs , especially with wrestling stars , fans love movie actors but they don’t know their true character or the inside scoops in Hollywood , same as in wrestling , punk have lot of fans but they don’t know the insights . I got a chance to meet him , I tried to introduce myself to him just like any worker , he didn’t say anything and he walked away . That tells his character . And it’s wrestling , haters are gonna be everywhere . It doesn’t matter it’s AEW or Indy promotions . Most of the workers now these days don’t say anything out of fear for the opportunity . The moment I saw Tk smoking with the boys in the back , I knew this is going to be another titanic .
Everyone knows punk is a fan of Bret.. I think they are trying to make a modern Bret vs Shawn rivalry.. in my opinion it’s definitely a work between them two, but they want everyone including the wrestlers to think it’s a shoot
No it is most likely the other way around a shoot that became a work and the Shawn and Bret thing was a shoot both have said it and wrestlers at the time have confirmed it
This is wild... After the scrum last night, it seems like Punk has a point--but is putting people on blast when he didn't have to. If a low key, stand up dude like Booker T is saying this... I can dig it suckas!
Hello to Booker T I have always liked your work,nuff said I have NEVER EVER been a cm punk fan and at this point in time NEVER WILL. if he left today ( a good thing ) or tomorrow or whatever he won't be missed
CM Punk and MJF are the only consistently watchable talent in AEW. Everything else on that show sucks. I'd be pissed too if I was the only bankable star in a company full of egotistical indy jobbers who do nothing but kill ratings and diminish viewership.
I like AEW but I love bookers’ line.
“You wanna be the NEW WCW? You are.”
Legend
AEW has so many Maineventers: MOX, OMEGA, Punk, Adam Page, Jericho, Christian, Danielson, MJF, and Cody if he stayed
AEW IS WORSE
@@linewalker and have no idea how to properly book them
@@thegreat1007 looking for attention are you?
@@linewalker adam page is not a main eventer
The problem is Tony is allowing too much backstage politics and at the end of the day whatever he says goes and he needs to tell the roster that.
I like tony but he doesn't give me authoritative leader vibes. Seems too nice for the role
@@songokusan9059 he’s playing general manager mode. He’s just a friend to all his little indie darlings.
@@BlueAmerican26 I'm definitely not hating on the guy and I give him credit for putting his money where is mouth is, but he may be in over his head dealing with big roster. I hope it goes well tho
Vince allowed the same shit
Vince allowed his son in law, Vince hated on WCW, Vince hated on many independent stars, Vince did the same stuff
Booker hit it right on the head...ONCE AGAIN!!!
Checks and balances is the perfect term that needs to happen in wrestling. You can’t give creative control to a talent it needs to be a happy medium between talent and people in the back
@Lyles music Hogan brought the money in
@Lyles music Hogan cause ,2 big booms I'm wrestling . He is not that good
@Lyles music that had nothing to do with I said
You heard that somewhere and it was like I have to use it.
I really respect Booker T's opinions. He's very fair in his comments, but never disrespectful.
It’s refreshing to hear
I want him to burry Punk so bad lol.
Youre just saying that to be "PC"
“But never disrespectful” LOL okay 😂😂😂
It's crazy how people feel like even in his fairness he is seen as "disrespectful" by guys like xavier woods and big e
Booker, I've been a fan of yours for over 20 years and have enjoyed your work along the way. Just want to say my thank you for the thrills and laughs you provided! Thank you for always being real. Much love.
I completely agree with Booker 100%. If you don’t know your history you’re doomed to repeat its mistakes. The grass is not always greener on the other side. If there is no control in the work place, it will get completely out of control. Vince had been in the business for over 40 years that’s why WWE is where it is today compared to WCW, TNA and AEW.
As Jim cornette has said, Vince never had the best wrestling company but had by far the best business out of everyone.
TNA (Impact Wrestling) has been around since 2002, almost over 20 years. The promotion definitely has control of the locker. Same with Major League Wrestling (since 2002) and the National Wrestling Alliance (since the 1930s/1940s) which has been around even before the WWE.
You may just be getting worked...
@@Mr.Majestic77 those are all basically indies at this point, nothing compared to what they were at their peak.
Except wwe ratings fell off
Exactly Booker, Tony Khan has to have a set and stand up to these guys no matter how big of a star they are (or think they are)... Like WWE said years ago "No one man is bigger than the company"
Vince didn’t even stand up to his stars no way Tony kahn is
@@pleaseshutup7053 how didn't he? Everyone knew Vicne ran the show.
Yet he let those who had massive star power like Hulk Hogan walk all over him and changed booking because of him
@@anthonyanderson9303 Vince and hbk
@@pleaseshutup7053 dude, Vince let HBK get away with so much stuff, to this day I still see people wondering if they were doing some stuff together behind the scenes
Punk and FTR are standing up to The Elite
civil war huh? lmao.
never seen punk in the ring with omega so theres so much truth to that statement
@@misters4022 don't think Kenny is involved since he's been gone but the Bucks have buried FTR they should be Champions and running the tag division but instead are feuding with Jay Lethals crew it should be DTR vs Swerve in our glory at All Out
@@Baraka_Obama_ agreed. think each side has their flaws. punk is insufferably self centered and sometimes disingenuous but he is a good promo and a good wrestler, understands psychology wayyy moreee than the bucks and omega. meanwhile ...kenny omega and the bucks are still younger than cm punk and they have many yrs ahead of them moreso than punk so I think if you tony I guess u have to go with punk as champion until you can squeeze that juice out for everything its worth but man he aint gonn make it easy backstage
@@misters4022 exactly makes you wonder why Cody left
@@Baraka_Obama_ he didnt get the bag he saw punk bryan and adam cole get the bag lmao
Truth be told, most people kinda thought it was odd when Page said he was there to save AEW from him during their feud. If that was a shoot, then I don't blame Punk. And I like Page.
The lines about masterbatory Brett Hart tributes ect as well seemed like they were legit shots cause seriously who would that even appeal and why is it relevant to the storyline?
That's what I think too 100%!!! I didn't like or understand why Adam Page came out the Blue painting Punk like a phony with a Heel turn coming in his Promo. It put Punk in a weird position and it didn't fit and it didn't feel right. I think this is Punk's revenge for that and it IS deserved because that was messed up of Page and didn't make anything Better for him doing that.
@@jtsra7 Eddie Kingston also hates Punk on the show, has said he always hated him and how he is a P.O.S and fake (in character), he says the same about Claudio despite Claudio being a face. MJF was also calling Punk fake, I think they are doing an angle on Punk being a selfish guy. Whether it is true or not I don't know, maybe a bit of blurring the lines. We will have to see what happens going in to All Out.
@@exiaR2x78 I remember Brett was the one to present the AEW championship belt. Maybe he's still butthurt he didn't become the first champ.
Y’all defending punk is crazy, y’all would do anything to defend someone you don’t even know personally. Wild
Adam page started the whole thing by going into business for himself. Punk just gave him a receipt
i could see that. i empathize with hangman though because everyone's else hands are cuffed while punk gets free reigns to do whatever he wants? nahhhh lol if im hangman and at the time he was cold as a fish market, that promo was wat u needed. but can punk dish it out but not take it though?
I guarantee it is the bucks camp that prompted hangman...Tony should get rid of the bucks and omega as evps..
@@YA-ke5zg Its honestly a safe bet. Its weird people dont see it cause its so obvious
I'm on Punk's side on this one because that Hangman promo was Screwed up and was trying to derail all the baby face momentum on Punk in order to make himself a bigger face. I didn't like Page doing that either.
@@jtsra7 true but remember punk (as a face) got free reign to shoot himself. and another thing: punk had 2-3 promos as a champion and didnt say nothing about that promo anyways so why now? which is why theres obviously much more to the story. I dont condone what hangman did but perhaps half the locker room was already getting sick and tired of cm punk even then
Dude, booker t been watching you for a long time, I love how honest you are about everything. I think you made the exact point with Mandy rose. I’m glad your girl won it off of her! Much respect booker. Always a fan, say what you mean and I love it.
I really wish Booker was in AEW. The man is a phenomenal wrestler (one of my top favorites along with Shelton Benjamin, Taz, Shinsuke Nakamura, Sabu & Kurt Angle). He'd be a great trainer/coach & his ROW wrestling academy would definitey make a great developmental territory. I guess WWE was smart in signing him to a legends contract so that AEW wouldn't sign him.
he won't be knows WWE money is way better more stable
"You wanted to be in that WCW position........You're IN IT!" LOL Quote of the year.
😂
Lets crystalise the issue that Punk has. Its not "don't say this about me in a promo"... its "don't go around convincing the internet that I'm playing politics and having your EVP friends and Uncle Dave let people believe I'm getting people fired"
I can understand Punk's frustration here. Cause look at the interviewer dude here. He totally believes Page and the Kukumanga kids are being abused here.
He totally forgot CM punk left WWE cause of Staff infection and decided to wait out of his contract.
If you wanna see a company buried Over RUMOURS, just call Brad Gilmore!! Damn.
Love the guy 😁
The matches ,the performance, won't be what brings down this company ultimately.
The fact that Tony is a clown, and a mark is what will bring down the company..
He wanted everybody to like him more than McMahon, and because he was more concerned about that, these are the dynamics of his company now.
Until he actually becomes a real man, and stop being a fan boy, and a bootloader, until he stops behaving that way, the company won't change for the better.
Gimme only cmpunk and mjf there the main reasons I watch aew but we need mjf back. Even in WWE mjf would be awesome
Great conversation. Both wise men
Both are very biased. Booker never liked punk. One sided discussion
The self proclaimed best in the world
Lol how can he honestly say that shit still when he’s got a major botch in every match he’s in these days
Frfr he looks trash every time I see him wrestling that promo on mox was crazy all the things he said didn’t make any since everybody else makes him look good yeah your cm punk not that longest world champion cm punk he said he came back to help new talent but nope
Right now ego and nepotism is dragging AEW down. Combined with bad/nonexistent booking, and a boss that’s in over there head you start to see this promising company become it’s worst enemy. I want to see AEW be successful, I really do. A Jim Cornette type personality would do wonders for this company.
I agree. It was a great time just a year ago but things are looking really dark at this point.
Ironically enough Cornette was originally approached about being involved.. but when he found out who else was involved .. thank you fuck you bye..
😂
lol, Cornette: Fine him and fire him lol.
Aew Has Sucked The Last 3 Year's. Aew Is A Company That Started Out Good And Then Immediately Overnight Sucked.
At least in WWE I could sympathize with his bad booking post pipe bomb. Even when he was champ he rarely main evented. But now he seems much more abrasive and close minded. Also I can't stop looking at that Bear T.
Yup here he has all the freedom to do what he want, and yet still complains
So CM punk is not delivering????
😂😂😂 This last couple of months AEW has gone downhill, in two weeks CM Punk comes back, and puts AEW on the map, when everybody is talking about triple h and wwe. THINK GUYS
Hope so
And they bday he’s not a draw😂so why is he the biggest story in wrestling right now as soon as he returns? Stories like this is what gets people watching!
Put AEW back on the map? All Twitter and the wrestling news sites are gonna be talking about smackdown after tonight
@@DontAdoreYou because it proves his detractors right. He abused his power as soon as possible
@@UFCWWE69 but dynamite had huge impact yesterday, in a month that all we ear is about triple h and wwe
Seems funny to me that the only people that have had a problem with him all come from a certain circle. While the young guys who aren't cliqued up keep giving interviews about how much they love having him there.
Also seems strange that something which happened back in May made him want to quit, but just two weeks ago he had tears in his eyes at comicon talking about how grateful he was to be back and how he was gonna do it for as long as he's able.
And I wouldn't think anything of it were it not for the fact that one of the people involved belongs to a group that has most of the wrestling media in their pocket, and a history of trying to discredit anyone that doesn't embrace their style of wrestling.
See what no one wants to mention is all the little potshots they've been taking at him and Danielson both since they got there, and it was MJF and FTR who were their targets before that. See the theme there?
Damn you came hard defending CM junk. Is he your boyfriend or something? You would think so lol.
Dude Cm Punk has always been this way since his ROH and indy days he likes things his way.I would say both are wrong specially since supposedly Hangman didn't talk to Punk to say things but Punk looked so bad by making Hangman a top face look like coward
@@michaelrivera8360 like I said he's a primadonna.
There may be something to that. But CM punk is a very combustible personality to add to any locker room it was only a matter of time before some situation came up. I'm sure the aew clique doesn't want to give up their standing in the company and TK is very much into Punk so that in a way threatens certain guys
Seems funny to me how marks like you are the only people defending him
Danielson should have told Khan no thank you as well on losing to Page. Danielson was white hot, and Page was forgettable. Don't blame Punk. Page also called him out when he was not there. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.
He just won the title that was his 1st defense that would’ve been bad booking 101 what killed hangmans momentum was tony not booking him he even said this.
@@allforgreatness9883 Hangman had no momentum to start with
@@brandonlanders3277 yeah he did he was their most over babyface and tony barely booked him
@@allforgreatness9883 what momentum? Page was booked to be a morose, depressed drunk that hung around losers for 2 years before he won the world title
Facts
There's a little part of me that's hoping this is all the most complex work of all time.😂🤣😂
The problem is that he thinks that he's a big draw,and he's not. Even the rock told him that on Twitter.
I mean he kinda was at some point so you're wrong
Don't you get that this is all a work? 😂😂
Aew was beeing surpassed by this news of WWE and triple h taking Over, after yesterday everybody was talking about aew, punk , mox , Adam Page , the aew title and even MJF rumours.
This is well done, i think its gonna be a 3 way Adam Page v Punk v mox at all out.
@@FletcherTheCromenockle i was low key hoping it would be a 4 way with Omega, but never mind
They're friends it was probably a rib
He's a bigger draw than anyone else in AEW
I disagree with Booker. Hangman went off script to shit on punk for Cabana almost being fired and then moved to ROH. That's real life heat and I doubt CM Punk exclusively asked for this but probably didn't want the man who threw him under the fkn bus in the middle of a lawsuit to benefit from the exposure of coming out with hangman and backing him up during the hangman punk feud. Then hangman says this in the middle of a face to face promo and goes off script making not only the promo not make sense but making CM Punks next lines have to be ad-libbed or making him look confused in the middle of the ring on live TV. So I completely agree with Punks receipt. He didn't make the show worse by saying it, the promo still made sense and was well delivered unlike hangman's, and one way or another made him look like a chump or not if they ever have a match again people will be very invested. You don't talk about real life personal issues that do not involve you unless it's authorized and discussed with the boss and the other wrestler. Sammy Guevara called Eddie a Fat piece of shit without clearing it with him first and got smacked in the face, imagine how touchy a subject of best friends falling out after a lawsuit must be and on top of that you're going off script and potentially trying to embarrass punk if he was any lesser on the mic. And I say this with the utmost disrespect to hangman I think he's been Uber shit for all of his AEW run, Punk didn't need a feud with hangman, punk is gonna sell out arenas regardless, it was fckin Adam Page the one that desperately needed this feud against punk to be recognized as a star and he fumbled every step of that way. Hangman should have been fired but he wasn't because he's best friends with 3 of the 4 bosses. He wasn't gonna make it big anywhere else, WWE probably would have slapped one IC title on him before repackaging him like 5 times and dropping him into the 24/7 title picture with R truth.
@harvard smith deangelo the highest rated segments in all 3 years of AEW are CM punk segments... that's literally what moving the needle means. If the viewership has gone down it isn't because of him, it's because for the better part of the last year most top wrestlers in the promotion were injured leaving the show In the hands of the B team with a huge D- of a champion in Adam Page... the elite have been pretty un-elite, more like average since Cody left
I gotta say I'd never imagine Booker rocking a 2001 WCW shirt talking about AEW beef with Punk and Page. What a time to be alive
Punk is the star all the indie middle carders getting pushed as stars think they are bigger than they are
clear delusions of grandeur...
I couldn't get into AEW as much I did in 2019-2020 and that says a lot on how it has gone.
There’s a lot of good on the show, then there’s silliness.
Why though
@@playmaker5515 it’s like a TV show, it was good when it was new and then it fell off.
I would rather watch WWE more nowadays since Triple H is in charge.
@@RiruKrypto_ wwe sucks
@@TheMackoftheyear I’m assuming you are an AEW fan? It’s going downhill. 😂
Looks like Mr. Gilmore was either trying to stir things up or really doesn't like Punk.
1- Very conveniently didn't mention at all part of those "reports" that it was all actually started by Page months ago and Punk was just giving him the "receipt".
2- To "prove" Punk's so called bad behavior at backstage, he brings up Summer of Punk storyline from WWE like a total mark as if everything said on TV during that storyline was real.
I agree on one thing, it's NEVER good to go into the business by yourself and Punk could've been the bigger man there and sorted things out backstage rather than getting back to Page on national TV like Page did to him but we don't know how much tension is/was between them and if there was any talk backstage.
What real "fight fan" would EVER tune in to see someone that could not win an MMA fight. He could not win a single fight there, but he's the world champion??? He's small, he's old, every opponent has had to carry him through his matches. It makes wrestling look FAKE as hell. I'll start watching again when he is GONE!!!
So you are only a fan of brock lesnar, lashley, and jake hager then? This is a dumb take.
It's not that he lost. It's how he lost. He looked like a little girl against pretty much nobodies. That and him taking a spot on ppv from someone who actually deserved it because of name recognition was just about the biggest hypocrite thing ever done by a wrestler. Cm punk is literally the biggest hypocrite in wrestling history. Period.
@@jwduckpaddle Well, let's just list all of the people that could beat C M Punk. Well, everyone in the WWE, even Rey. In AEW we have Wardlow, Hager, Mox, Hangman, Kenny, Miro, Murder Hawk, Hobbs, Claudio, and so many more would simply embarrass this old fart. I think even Jim Ross might have a chance to beat him. It is a complete and total JOKE. What MMA fan would EVER say "Hey, that guy that couldn't even win a fight in practice, how's he doing over there in wrestling? He's the CHAMP. OMG. What a JOKE." Be a fan if you want. It just says something about YOU! You want "pretend" over "real", and the reason for is that .... (just fill in the blank, because it does not matter at that point.)
@@jwduckpaddle Look at it this way. Back in the day in Mid South wrestling Cowboy Bill Watts had a rule that if you ever went to a bar or anywhere and you got into a fight, you had better win. If someone kicked you butt in a bar somewhere, you were FIRED on the spot. He said that he could not have a person wrestling that fans knew could not win a fight. Well, C M Punk went out and LOST EVERY FIGHT he was in. He is by definition a LOSER!!!! How can someone PROMOTE someone that CAN"T FIGHT!!!! He makes all of wrestling into a freaking JOKE!!!
He’s had 2 more real fights than Page. If they had a shoot fight, Punk would hurt him
2:20 - everybody seems to be “reading between the lines” and coming to the conclusion that it’s about Punk “getting his way” ... but for some reason nobody will acknowledge that maybe Punk is just saying “what you are doing isn’t working as well as you guys think it is” and people are getting butthurt about it.
exactly name one big star in the last couple of years who hasn;t made a few demands or been out for themselves a lot of aew has goofing shit going on and i don;t blame punk for trying to stay away from the silliness. Austin didn;t want to work with marc mero or jeff jarrett. did anyone get on his case?
@@adamandanna but Austin worked with those two individuals though.
@@blax0078 before he was world champion yes but not after
The smartest man in that company is Cody Rhodes. This is part of the reason why he got the fuck out.
No he wasn’t Cody Rhodes was trying to book himself like slapnuts aka Jeff garret please stop 🙄
Cody left over money he wants cm punk Jericho type money
I love the Triple H promo, cus it's scary accurate of CM Punk.
Which one?
@@larganzo This one th-cam.com/video/Y0aFlijwmB0/w-d-xo.html
it was cena
Triple h is not the inovator of that many people before that said Punk was like that.And let's not act like Triple h never buried people.
@@michaelrivera8360 he told them to their face he was gonna step on them he didn’t snake people like punk did
Spitting facts. Can you dig it?
MJF and Punk are the two most compelling guys on the roster and it's not even close. Also they are by far the best at booking themselves and their feuds because they understand wrestling. If they get special treatment it's because THEY EARNED IT
You are not wrong. But then the same could be said about Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan. You could say it about Stone cold Steve Austin. It's weird how some of the most compelling characters. Are also some of the most political backstage. I'm not trying to say whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. I'm just pointing out the stars that rise the highest, are often attached to people who know exactly what they want, and don't let other people stop them from getting it. Even if that does mean hurting some feelings.
@@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177 yeah but the difference is that all those guys just jockeyed to win whereas MJF and Punk just went matches that are booked well that make everyone look good, but a lot of modern wrestlers are idiots about that
So when Punk is presumably telling Hangman to slow it down and sell more and he is saying "no" Hangman is being a dumbass. And he's not respecting a guy with more knowledge. And Punk does know better and beyond being a bigger star, he should be listened to. He'll, Punk and MJF could book the show and it would be much better
@@indiesongwriter5474 Punk is an ego maniac though, he is the reason Cabana no longer has a career in AEW, he was making progress their & it grinded to a halt, the irony is Punk used to rally against wrestlers using their backstage stroke to get their way & what has he done himself? Booked himself too the position he wins the title with very little build up, if anyone thinks Colt wanted to go to ROH they are delusional, that would be like going from Raw to NxT willingly
@@Stuart267 Punk is egotistical and whether he is more of a bad or good person, I don't know. You might be right, you may be wrong. I will say that Colt isn't talented enough to be a major guy, probably belongs in the undercard. That's not personal, that's just business
Booker couldn’t WAIT to drop his thoughts on this
You can tell, look at the body language and eyes☺️
Yup you could tell.
Booker is keeping it 💯 I agree completely
I have watched AEW before it became a promotion. And despite its quality matches that it constantly put on, I have noticed some struggles from the company. And it falls solely on Tony Khan. He's still green as a CEO, at some point in time he needs to get control of his company, and stop compromising his company for ratings. That's how he lost Cody Rhodes to WWE. I hope he doesn't lose MJF or Adam Page.
Who is Adam page. They will survive without him. This not Tony khan first business.
@@deon3133 Hell no. Trade in Page for CM Punk? That makes no sense. If anything they should have Mox beat punk and scrap him.
You make some good points, but you blatantly either lied about Cody or you dont know the facts. The facts are, AEW could have chose to roll Cody's contract over for another year and he had no choice, but Khan CHOSE to let Cody's deal expire. So, yeah...
Yeah Tony really needs an experienced booker like Gado or someone like that to help him out with booking stuff.Because I am still scratching my head over the decision to putting Punk vs Mox on TV it has to be something huge to replace a champ vs champ match.Also AEW need more character development and tell people who these guys are.Bryan alvarez perfectly described AEW last week he said AEW feels like "the cool kids club"aka the super hardcore fans that watch everything so Tony thinks everyone knows so that is why he doesn't do video packages to introduce people but most of the time it really doesn't work and the ratings patterns do reflect that
Lmao how can you watch AEW before it was a promotion lol its only existed as a promotion lol
I think the fact that Hangman did an interview and said he doesn’t need to take advice from the veterans and legends in AEW like JR, Mark Henry, Paul White, and others made Punk finally say, “Okay I’m done with this dude”.. Punk said in his promo, “Here’s some ADVICE that I suggest you take.. the apology needs to be as public and as loud as the disrespect”.. it wasn’t just about Hangman’s shoot promo. It was also about Hangman’s disregard of the experienced minds he works with.
I don't care about punk at all. If punk don't show up for work or he walk out? Just fire him. Someone else will step up and take that spot.
Adam Page goes into business for himself and that's what started this whole nonsense but it's CM Punk s fault STOP
just speculation but what IF in his contract TK agreed to let Cabana go. then when it was gonna happen Page and Co, freaked out and TK caved in and signed him to ROH which is probably his sticking point with the disrespect
I speculated whether this was a source of issues if cabana being forced out and the evps and page stopping cabana being kicked out to please Punk.
I think that the Punk/Mox unification match being moved up to Dynamite is telling. If Mox wins, then it says Khan is on the side of Jobman Adam Page and Punk won’t be around much longer. If Punk wins, it’s Punks show. Period.
Like that's a bad thing.
I smell an impending DQ finish...
@@anthonyrousseau8050 Laaaayyyyyyzyyyyy booking...
Funny that Punk called WWE cowards weeks ago would he have done that if Lesnar was in Hangman place???
Booker is correct. All these issues and rumors stem from TK allowing the inmates to run the asylum. He must take control and hire an experienced team to help him, the whole thing with active wrestlers being your EVPs never sat well with me either....
Especially the EVPs they chose.
TK needs to stop being a friend and be the boss.
But it won't happen because the wrestlers don't respect him.
The AEW wrestlers look at Tony the same way wcw wrestlers viewed Eric Bischoff back in the late 90's.
A giant ATM to take money from then not listen to anything else
It's called WCW 2.0
Cody seemed to get out of there pretty quickly when Punk arrived🤷♂️
Interesting.
I actually never took that in
Tony Khan's main problem is that he wants to have AEW be able to reach WWE's business success while running it like a glamorized indy promotion.
You can't become a behemoth like WWE if you cater to the smark crowd. You have to make concessions and pander to a lower common denominator.
Khan has to choose a direction. Either be satisfied running a clubhouse for your friends or do business like the corporations.
CM Punk, Adam Page, doesn't matter who is right. None of this would have happened if Tony Khan was more a business person than a mark.
His main problem is that he’s a fucking mark and that’s hurting how he’s running a businessz
The matches ,the performance, won't be what brings down this company ultimately.
The fact that Tony is a clown, and a mark is what will bring down the company..
He wanted everybody to like him more than McMahon, and because he was more concerned about that, these are the dynamics of his company now.
Until he actually becomes a real man, and stops being a fan boy, and a bootloader, until he stops behaving that way, the company won't change for the better.
Let's break this down.. (and this is coming from someone who is not a CM Punk fan).. What did CM Punk say wrong in his shoot? For them to say that he was only in it for himself and doesn't care about the locker room is total bs.. The dude came in and had multiple matches with lower card talent and made them look good. Gave them more in a match than they would have ever thought they would get.
2 - He was attacked first. Just because someone didn't fit into your little video game gymnastics routine matches (talking about the Bucks, Kenny and Page), doesn't mean he's against your locker room.
3- When Punk said Hangman Page went out and said he doesn't listen to anybody even though they have Jerry Lynn, William Regal, Mark Henry, Jim Ross etc in the locker room, WHAT DID HE SAY THAT WASN'T TRUE THERE? Prime example of this: AEW has the greatest announcer/storyteller in the HISTORY of pro wrestling and when Page, the Bucks, and Omega go out there and do their little gymnastic spotfests, Jim Ross can't even tell a story no matter how hard he tries because they don't care about even making their own moves count or their own finishers thus they can't expand their audience beyond their little 900,000-1 mil people. THIS IS EXACTLY why you should listen to the veterans that were on top of the pro wrestling world across multiple decades. And to completely disrespect your veterans that you could learn something from, nope you're going to go "well, I really don't listen to anybody"...
4- What Tony Kahn should do is actually make these veterans in charge of matches and take away the EVP titles from the Bucks and Omega and put those titles on people like Jerry Lynn, Jim Ross, William Regal. Talent should never be in charge of anything. AEW would be way better off this way.
Imagine if Booker T tried to teach one of his students how to do something and the completely disregarded him - One, they' probably get their a** whooped and would be sent home. This is what pro wresting needs again - It needs to be a closed off business again and not let in these little indy midgets do what they want and disrespect anyone they want.
You are 1000% correct
@D L Look, you're not wrong. I will be the first to say that I never liked Punk from the time he thought he was above an Undertaker match at WrestleMania.. He should have been standing up and saying "Thank you Mr. Undertaker for letting me breathe in the same room as you". Now, you can't deny that when Punk came in, he was working with lower card talent and making them look good. He was kind of doing what Bret Hart did with the 1-2-3-Kid.
With that said, the Bucks, Page and Kenny have absolutely no respect towards the business and it's evident in their matches that the don't listen to veterans one bit. They actually make their moves not matter at all, and I KNOW this is not something Jerry Lynn, Regal, Ross, Malenko would condone. Shawn Michaels threw one superkick in a match and made it count.. They throw 15 in a match and not make them count for squat. Jim Ross has been on record as saying that talent think they know better and don't listen to veterans at all. THE ONLY one that you could say truly listens to veterans is Darby Allin. They even asked Darby what he thought of JR's comments and as a true student of the game, he said he loves JR and completely agrees with him. Now, does Darby Allin do some crazy stuff? Indeed he does. But what;s the mains difference in Darby Allin's game and the Elite? Darby actually SELLS and makes his moves COUNT. Meanwhile, the Elite and Page think they're smarter and don't need to listen to the vets and it is absolutely evident in their matches. Instead of maximizing their minutes, they're hitting 3 piledrivers in a row and their opponents are kicking out at 1 and a half.. So basically they're taking a highly dangerous move such as a piledriver and completely telling the audience "this is not dangerous at all, and we're having fun out here".. None of these guys care about the business one bit, if they did, they wouldn't be making a mockery out of it every time they go in that ring and do their little catch gymnastics.
As much as I like Punk, I am now starting to see just how much of a pain in the ass DIVA that CM Punk is. I'm starting to see why Triple H was fed up with his ass
Exactly triple H at least admitted he was a selfish prick but CM punk backs himself into a corner were is always right and even if you say one small thing he gets upset asf and goes on a rant dude is worse then a addict with mode swings frfr
AEW guys, please keep throwing the pipebombs at cm fucking punk. Love it when people get taste of their own medicine. There's problems anywhere he goes, but the problem is never him, it's the promotion...
This just aged like wine
I would love to here The Book talk.
Booker always hating on Punk
Punk also digs at Eddie Kingston for whatever reason during that promo, which makes no sense except to stoke his ego. I know many people are enamored with him, but stories about his attitude go back to his original ROH run, and now that he is working for someone that is a mark and not a strong leader, he is going to run amuck. The irony is that people mark out the song "Cult of Personality" and do not understand the irony of it when it relates to Punk.
Eddie and punk feuded and still don’t like each other, and Eddie is in the BCC with Moxley. That’s not the same as bringing up Page who had literally zero connection to both people in the feud
You do recall the rivalry and promos that CM Punk and Eddie Kingston had earlier in the year? The dislike between the two goes back all the way to the early 2000's early in their Professional Wrestling Careers. The animosity they have toward one another is genuine and stretches across several Professional Wrestling Promotions..
@@JuliusC1973 So, like almost everything else that comes out of CM Punk's mouth and a lot of AEW's booking, they bring up things that have nothing to do with what they are currently trying to sell just to get a rise out of die-hard fans. What was with the name-dropping of Kofi Kingston and John Cena then? People can try to dress this up however they want, but it came across as petty and the guy doing his own thing just because he feels like he can.
@@Jhoncena22 Eddie Kingston is the BCC. Since when? Just because they threw all those people together for that cage match does not make this connection in any way. Kingston was just in that horrible feud with Jericho, so he has had nothing to do with this aside from he is friends with Moxley, and he had a thing with Punk. Kingston does not like Danielson either. Should they have brought that up too?
@@rl318 probably should have
I’m much more confident in a HHH led WWE than I am in anything AEW does.
The problem with AEW is that punk is getting backlash for literally doing the same thing that the idiot bucks and omega do all the time without retribution
When did the idiot bucks and omega do the things Punk did? Punk is butthurt because of a promo so he went in to business for himself and shit on the business.
LoL 🤣
Tony has to start stepping up as a boss and stop trying to be peoples friend. Letting Philip get away with this sends a message that the big ex-WWE stars can do anything they want without repercussions. You don’t want to be working your wrestlers because it makes your company look low rent.
You know what company allowed that to happen? WCW. And all the signs that took them down are starting to show up in AEW. Younger stars are getting frustrated and no doubt that HHH would love to step in with a briefcase of money to steal people away.
Also he would be exactly like WCW and like Vince sometimes with some people which people have criticized.Tony really needs to be different from other bookers and act like the boss.
exactly. besides...punk had a few promos to shoot at hangman before he got injured so this "receipt" about hangman mentioning colt cabana is not adding up timeline wise
Wcw went down because Warner aol didnt want wrestling. Period. They were owned by a company that didnt want them. If eric had been able to buy them they would still be around. It had nothing to do wwf guys having power or anything else. Wcw died because the people who owned didnt want it to exist. So much so they sold it for basically nothing to the competition just to make sure it died.
That’s CM Punk to you. You don’t know him. Call him by his lifelong stage name you mark.
Has Tony disciplined anyone yet? If any was needed
Just max caster
Not Punk.
@@pleaseshutup7053 was that for the lyrics a while back
This is good for business, its got people talking.
If this is a work then AEW has ruined Moxley momentum by taking all the attention to Hangman and Punk just like they did to Wardlow after beating MJF, they move all the attention to MJF after the promo and Wardlow has lost a lot of mommentum
Yeah this a problem with AEW it seems they don't know how to follow momentum up Wardlow felt like he was about to become Batista and the MJF stuff completely killed his momentum.Supposey according to Fightful part of the reason Cm Punk was mad because supposedly Moxley was winning and was getting time off Punk and Phill being Phill was mad.
Tony needs to step down as booker n things and just be the owner because the shows have been bad.
stop it. moxley 1st 2x champion how could hangman take away attention from the great jon moxley, smh lol
@@misters4022 lol honestly it’s so hard not to laugh at these dumb ass takes… don’t you just love it when wrestling fans act like they have a clue
The MJF angle is definitely a work, him being off television is to make it all look real. The Punk and Page angle is most likely a well rehearsed elaborate work because CM Punk was punched out and didn't defend himself?..NOPE! All of it is in an effort to pick up their ratings because since triple H his bestie and his wife have taken over WWE the ratings continues to go up significantly while AEW has become rather redundant.
Adam Paige is a mid carder WAY out of his depth due to nepotism. I hope CM Punk continues to show this little clown how disgustingly unimportant he is.
Punk has changed AEW. Punk & MJF angle gave park full control imo because they stalled their best asset. What actually needs to be discussed is why they want to go backwards. Do these presidents want what is best for the company? To summarize my point, once they buried wardlow & lost mjf. They gave the so called ego man the best tag team in wrestling. This will go crazy if both side keep telling how they feel.
This is all in English but impossible to read
Hopefully this is a work and CM Punk keeps baiting people for the next year. You say CM Punk bad and oh boy does the internet hop up. Who know whats what
2.O is GREAT , imo its 1 of the best shows there is
What happened to the freaking video it blinked out when I was looking at it
Adam Page was not a draw, sorry. He best come back to reality and shut-up. Ship him to ROH or release him. No loss for me.
For all those defending punk and saying Adam called for it.... nope... first off Adam and punk was in a "feud programme" and you are allowed to take liberties. But to stay butthurt for months.... THEN when in a feud with another person (jon moxley) then you want to chop the legs out from adam page just because you owed a "receipt"... thats not leader or veteren behaviour its almost as if he is becoming who he hated in wwe....
Booker T brings up valid points.
Just look at the ratings they are trash with or without him. If stone cold, John Cena, the rock, Lesnar, and roman reigns music hit in aew they would bring the world down and aew would sky rocket. Cm punk had what 2 weeks and the rating went right back in the dump
There is nothing there that can't be fixed, but TK has to make big decisions.
1) You pay MJF if you want to keep him.
2) you take the title away from CM Punk because you can't let anyone do business for himself. This must have consequences.
So Page doesn't get the title either because you can't let anyone do business for himself.
2) You fire Adam Page and the rest of the trampoline cowboys that add nothing to the company.
But when is enough enough when it comes to how much you have to pay him?!?!
CM Punk is 100% in the wrong and being a bit of a Diva.
Why does this dude have a background like he's in a TV studio 🤣
hes directing Raw live lol
I mean, if I was a CM level star and someone like Hangman. He’s good in the ring but that’s where the story ends. Hangman shooting on me as CM is massively disrespectful. And if I don’t wanna put him over, Idt it’s an issue. Hangman is a really good wrestler in a company where there are at least 15 really great wrestlers in-ring and Promo-wise ahead of him. He needs to show respect, EVP or not
why should he respect a crybaby though?
@@22srs22 funny how adam page is crying coz he will never at the level of CM PUNK. Punk was more over in the 8 years he wasnt wrestling than Adam paige was when he became champion and thats facts
BG needs a better green screen.
Hangman should have went down there anyway. Should have said that it was real brave of Punk to call him out while on the toilet and now that he is not all bound up, it time for that match.
I'm wondering if Punk is publically signaling to Hangman saying not to fall back into the low card with The Dark Order. I may just be getting worked.
That was a punk move of CM
All friends wrestling getting exposed by the voice of the voiceless I fking love it thats why everyone loved CM punk in WWE he doesnt bullshit just speaks straight up truth
To be fair he is their biggest star
Ppl are too soft lol
I can really see Booker T telling someone to get their stuff and get the hell on for not thinking about the show and doing their own thing..lol
Just like the movie industry wrestling have its ups and downs , especially with wrestling stars , fans love movie actors but they don’t know their true character or the inside scoops in Hollywood , same as in wrestling , punk have lot of fans but they don’t know the insights . I got a chance to meet him , I tried to introduce myself to him just like any worker , he didn’t say anything and he walked away . That tells his character . And it’s wrestling , haters are gonna be everywhere . It doesn’t matter it’s AEW or Indy promotions . Most of the workers now these days don’t say anything out of fear for the opportunity . The moment I saw Tk smoking with the boys in the back , I knew this is going to be another titanic .
CM Punk 👑
everything is a work
Can’t believe someone really had a nerve to talk about Hangman’s promo,in comparison. Just a stupid point to even bring up
AEW is imploding.
I want this tshirt too
Everyone knows punk is a fan of Bret.. I think they are trying to make a modern Bret vs Shawn rivalry.. in my opinion it’s definitely a work between them two, but they want everyone including the wrestlers to think it’s a shoot
Adam page will never be that big.
@@deon3133 No he won't, he's bland
No it is most likely the other way around a shoot that became a work and the Shawn and Bret thing was a shoot both have said it and wrestlers at the time have confirmed it
@@pilot8220 huh I said Adam page will never be that big of a star lol
This is wild... After the scrum last night, it seems like Punk has a point--but is putting people on blast when he didn't have to.
If a low key, stand up dude like Booker T is saying this... I can dig it suckas!
The video hasn't even started and I already love how Booka buries Punk and AEW 😂
I don’t think he was burying AEW 🙄… just say u hate the show.
No body buried anyone.
Did you watch the whole podcast? Clearly no one 'buried' AEW.
Thank you all for pointing out there was not a burial this time. Couldn't have realized it without your help 🤣
@@RealityOfItIs I Clearly stated the podcast hadn't even started, hence the face laughing at the end?
CM Punk looks and moves like he was 20 years older. Bobby Lashley is older by 3 years, but looks and moves like he was 20 years younger.
In ring performance doesn't make you a draw, Proven by how much of a bigger draw CM Punk is compared to bobby lashley.
Page did a shoot on punk a lil while ago, this was punk paying him back, that's y punk said the apology got to be loud as the disrespect
Hello to Booker T I have always liked your work,nuff said I have NEVER EVER been a cm punk fan and at this point in time NEVER WILL. if he left today ( a good thing ) or tomorrow
or whatever he won't be missed
CM Punk let the moment pass in wrestling. Not a needle mover anymore. Haven’t watched a match with him yet, completely, since he left WWE/UFC.
sounds like Page went into business for himself 1st.. why is no one talking about this.
CM Punk knows what he wants and what he should be.
Right?.....
CM Punk and MJF are the only consistently watchable talent in AEW. Everything else on that show sucks. I'd be pissed too if I was the only bankable star in a company full of egotistical indy jobbers who do nothing but kill ratings and diminish viewership.
So stick to your "big time" stars over at WWE. Enjoy all the d.q. finishes, surprise roll ups, and Brock vs Roman for the 1000th time.