People have got to stop thinking that because someone is a Nurse or a Doctor it makes them good people same as priests and nuns they can be deadly and cruel beyond anyone’s imagination.
I live in Chester, and I’ve had my children at the Countess of Chester hospital. I once had to stay on the maternity ward “cestrian” for six weeks. I seen reporters outside my room window at the time……it was alarming to say the least. I can confirm that she does live at the back of the cemetery, and the baby garden is close too. It’s terrifying how close to home this is. My thoughts are with the families that have been effected by this pure evilness.
I’d also like to add to my last comment, that some of my pregnancies I had to stay at the Countess for 6-weeks to 2 months due to having complications with my pregnancies. my children were born before she was caught, and one was born during the first time she was arrested. I also had my babies stay in the special care unit for a short while, I give thanks that my babies escaped being under Lucy’s care due to timing, and my heart is broken for those families that she’s destroyed, I don’t think anybody could truly comprehend what the parents are going through. My true concerns now is how the hospital handled this situation. The consultants are very good there so why was they ignored when they raised concerns to the managers/directors
@@mrkeoghshe live at the back end of the cemetery, and the police station is across the road from the front gate of the cemetery. She really thought she was untouchable
@@hispoiemathe police station is also a very short distance from the hospital, you can see the hospital if stood outside the cemetery gate with the police station directly opposite you
Strange thing to say...we see people like Rose West, Beverley Allitt, Myra Hindley, blending in with the crowd, every day. We don't expect to see them with the word KILLER tattoed on their forehead.
This is exactly why I had such a hard time leaving my sons side in the NICU! I finally had to because.the nurses said if I passed out I’d be transported to a different hospital so I finally agreed to take some 3 hour naps in this weird massive sleeping dorm for parents. It killed me to leave him, I worried about something like this the entire time.
@@yvamaks17_ I'm not in the UK (I wish because his NICU bill was$25,000!), but it's the typical rules of a NICU- no eating or sleeping for any visitors including parents.
My mates in the process of buying a house that backs onto a cemetery exactly the same as this But he’s not a serial killer The views are amazing And it’s very very quiet So think these ideas are nonsense
Nearly every nurse i know takes coke at the weekend, is overweight, has no idea of how to take care of their own health let alone someone else's and got the job with a 40% or so pass in their degree. Nurses are not well educated, trustworthy, law-abiding individuals so you really shouldn't be surprised.
Would it horrify you that Queen Alexandra hospital near Portsmouth is referred to locally as "The Morgue". It was a dirty hole for many years, and now despite being cleaner, many have no confidence in its record on people who die after going in. C of Ch neonatal unit has been recorded as being a filthy hole too, and has since been flattened. Hospital cleanliness was in decline for many years in this country since they stopped having ward matrons, that ruled with an iron fist...
It's horrified everyone what does puzzle me is none of her closest friends appeared as a defence witness despite protesting innocence. Also the fact she chose to Remain working there after people became concerned. She was also asking for extra shifts. I'd have ran a mile from the place.
@@artg9418Getting rid of matrons is just another idiotic legacy, in the long line of stupid things that the Tories have done to this country! and are still doing. 😠
@JulieZeena3846 actually it was under Howard Wilson (labour) in 1966 that matrons were abolished. In 1997 the tories petitioned to have matrons returned but Alan Milburn (labour) health Secretary refused, preferring to give some ward sisters extra responsibility to cover what would gave been the matrons role on top of their own...
So glad I stumbled across your excellent narration and insight into this absolutely horrific case. I’m a mum whose little boy was born with jaundice and a little concave chest many years ago. I was horrified when an older nurse accidentally tripped over legs of incubator for baby’s jaundice whilst holding my precious boy whilst I was watching. He went up in the air but she caught him with great determination before he fell. It was entirely accidental but I remember the sheer horror I felt and lack of trust I had with this particular nurse afterwards even though it was not intentional and he was fine. My boy is now a gorgeous handsome intelligent successful 32 year old whom I adore. I’m sickened by this woman and I’m a gentle person but I would gladly sit in a room and clap gleefully to her execution, a painful one like she inflicted on these precious beautiful souls. 🙏the parents😢
I think a lot of us think back to when our own children were born, my identical twin girls were born a bit early , so tiny and vulnerable, the thought of anybody hurting a child at that stage, is beyond horrifying, if anything had happened to my babies , I would have given up myself.
I’d like to say something, my brother was a nurse at the Boston pilgrim hospital, there was a scandal which never reached the papers, “allegedly” my brother or one of his colleagues where mistreating the geriatric patients. My brother was suspended, my brother ended his own life because he was innocent after an internal investigation it was found he was innocent & another nurse was charged & jailed for trying to suffocate patients. We don’t know what’s happened here, maybe she is innocent & there’s been massive failings within the hospital. That hospital ruined my brother blaming him for something so horrific. I love my brother & I’m so proud of all his hard work for the NHS 😢
Sorry to hear of the loss of your brother in such a horrible way. Miscarriages of justice happen more than we like to think about. There were two in house and out investigations into LL before the hospital called in police, 1 found nothing. I'm glad your brother's good name was cleared, but very sad he couldn't keep fighting. It must be horrific to be accused of something you didn't do, no way of proving a negative, not being able to access cctv, records etc to prove your innocence, your accusers having access to it all, and the opportunity to hide and or destroy evidence. May your brother rest in peace. 🙏
Firstly sorry for the loss of your brother I hope he is in God's care,such a burden you as a family have had to carry, I firmly believe Lucy letby is innocent and is been scapegoted by the big wigs in power, she's taking the rap for their incompetence,❤ hop you remain strong Bonnie,sending u lads of loving hugs,xx❤❤❤❤❤
I think there were lots of Red flags..He's not getting out of here alive..Trust me I'm a Nurse..Hanging round grieving parents making highly inappropriate comments.. Constantly looking for attention...
The scribbled, hard to read notes aren't exactly something you might expect a 28 year old woman to write. But then you wouldn't expect a 28 year old woman to harbour a desire to harm babies......
Her parents bought the house for her! She was a spoilt only child. Smothered and put onto a pedestal! Not her parents fault but she thought she was entitled and she was full of envy and hatred because she wasn't getting a romantic interest - the one she really wanted. She wanted attention and admiration.
I should imagine she lied to her parents all the time, and got away with everything. She was an adored child. Her dad much older than the mum, probably couldn't do much to reprimand the child.
That house was too big for her - she heavily hinted at such in messages to her friends. She also wasn't really doing much work to it, no redecorating, etc. when she lived there for another two years before being arrested. it suggests to me she was lukewarm about owning it and it certainly sounds like this may have been forced on her. A lot of her stuff was still visible in the late-2019 (i.e. before she was remanded) Rightmove listing as well. The bedroom furniture, the TV and so on. I have no idea if those were sold with the property or just used to dress the place prior to sale, being finally removed before the new owner moved in.
I don't think her house being located right next to a cemetery is a coincidence. This woman had a morbid fascination with death. We can only imagine the depraved thoughts going on in her warped mind.
Perhaps fearing her own parents aging? Did they have health complications that exacerbated her obsessions around death? Did she intend her parents to be laid to rest in that cemetery? Still close to her even in death. I also wonder if she hoped to exhume a baby from the cemetery and keep it in a nursery with her in the house.
@@MikeInHalifaxI heard from her parents neighbour that she forced the owners of that house to give it to her and she bought every vacant plot in the cemetery.
I never thought we in the Uk would ever see this type of crime ever again after Beverley Allitt. I thought we would have learned from it unfortunately, we did not. Thank you.
The management have a lot to answer for as they cared more about her grievance procedure than those tiny, innocent babies and their families. We haven't heard the last of this.
@@reeva5735 I would have said that Shipman didn’t kill babies but he did kill another vulnerable part of society, our aged. So yes Shipman deserves a place.
I was reading a recent interview with Prof David Wilson, a renowned UK criminologist and author. He was talking about how incredibly rare this type of medical murderer is, and saying there has been 30 across the whole world, over the last 30 years. So an average of 1 per year over all countries. That is rare. Compare that to other types of murders - DV murders, drugs & gangs, robbery etc.
You say on average one ocurance somewhere in the world each year! That is scary enough to make any person worry about a stay in hospital! Thank you for the info.
Wilson is talking about incidences of medical murderers not the body count. An average of one medical murderer per year on the planet. Compared say to the tens and maybe hundreds of thousands being killed by shortage of ambulances, GPs, critical care provision, acute care provision - caused by political asset stripping over the last decade and a half.
Very interesting that they dug up her gardens I do wonder what they were looking for. I thought the decal on the wall in her spare room is definitely a baby nursery decal, and like you said very similar style to the hospital ward she worked on. I think there are many more convictions for her to come sadly.
Why sadly? Hopefully she'll get removed from her cushy conditions and put under the jail and fed every other day. Or sadly for the parents who have no idea their precious baby was a victim of this monster!
Sadly we will never know those people never want closure, so they have sick trophy s and part of that murder spree ,the killer takes that figure to their grave,ther last controll over the people they have wronged, my view,, how horrible of a person is all I can say, GOD HELP US ALL AND PROTECT US,🙏🙏💞
The most terrifying thing is that seven consultants told management about their suspicions and they were ignored and one of them had to apologise to her for ‘bullying’. The health sector cares more than their reputation than they do for our health 😮😢
@janetdonald9801 I'm American and have worked in healthcare for over 19 years. Hospitals, as well as insurance companies, are run by businessmen, not doctors. They are the ones deciding what care you should get, not what you really need. The bottom line is the Almighty dollar. Many residents aren't going into fields like family practice because of insurance companies. Instead, they are choosing fields like plastic surgery because most insurance companies don't cover it, and they can charge what they want. Same with mental health. It's sad and the system is broken. You take care 🙂
I find it almost impossible to believe that the first murder she was charged with was her first murder, who when comitting any crime never mind killing a baby would have the confidence to commit the crime with other people in the room,i dont think this will be the last time shes in court unfortunately
Someone has come forward from 2013 to say they're pretty sure Letby attacked their baby - she wasn't their dedicated nurse, but they saw her standing over the cot, and she walked away as soon as she saw the baby's mother. The baby suffered a collapsed lung a few minutes after... luckily she recovered! They didn't think it particularly suspicious at the time, but they recognised her face when in the news.
omg her house backing onto a graveyard means nothing - are you saying everyone else on that road and everyone else who ever lived in the house are murderers too?
@@Jordan-pb1iq it's actually quuite nice to back onto a cemetery as its quiet. its a very silly point to say its relevant, people dont have complete choice when buying a house anyway, its what they can afford.
@@SarahParry88 I mean to be fair in places like that yeah. Our family graveyard is within walking distance. People from the same families have been buried there for hundreds of years because it was that areas church and close community. I bet at least 5 residents in Lucy’s neighborhood had family in the cemetery behind her house the difference is she chose to buy that house and others inherited. Also who in the hell especially a NURSE wants to live next to a graveyard. Like she paid MONEY for a house next to a cemetery 😭😭😭 common sense
This girl should not have been allowed anywhere near a ward after she was initially arrested in 2018 imo. It is the lowest of the low crime and something seriously must have gone wrong in her childhood and upbringing. It is like a deep rooted jealousy or resentment over something. Very strange and evil intent imo.
@@crazychrisfromessex1740 She did a back office role, but the point I am trying to make, is that she should have never been allowed back on the wards. She should have remained back office.
@@simonpayne54not after her arrest She was bailed to her parents and was not allowed contact with hospital or colleagues Interesting colleagues accepted her socially after those limitations where lifted huh
Once arrested, she was bailed to her parents and never worked a medical setting again. Once removed from the ward all the collapsing of babies stopped prompting the bosses to second guess their initial decision wherein the doctors claims were dismissed. The hospital basically handed themselves in to police at that point.
I live in America which is known to be infamous for serial murders. This case is right up there with some of our most heinous cases. I still cannot fathom the targeting of NICU infants. 😱 I do believe this ghoulish monster did buy that home because it backed up to a Cemetery. It played right into her sick and demented mentality. Great reporting!
@@NosyFella I have watched documentaries of UK serial killers. And when I hear my fellow Americans report that serial murders are American in nature, I say to the TV screen "HAH"
Independent psychiatrist have said it’s the scrawling of a deeply depressed person There is a ton of conflicting statements in them You’d hope Anyone accused of such horrific crimes would not be balanced I would have thought it would be a problem if they where
The cops said - 'When we searched the 2nd address'. Letby would likely not have believed that a further search would be conducted at either property in Chester or Hereford. Absolutely agree, the married Dr has a lot more questions to answer. Letby appears to have been doing the Anne Boleyn routine, she lead Henry VIII on with her desire to be wife rather than mistress - 'Look at what you could have sir if you get rid of your wife'. Cost Boleyn's head in the end and Letby's lifelong liberty. This Doctor in hiding should be named as he either wittingly or unwittingly played such an intrinsic part in Letby's madness. Any other profession and this colleague of Letby would have been named in court. The Protected Status of health workers played a huge part in Letby getting away with these murders for so long, she even got an apology from the Consultants. What a crazy World where your occupation in healthcare can coverup such horrendous actions for so long, needs stopping and urgently.
Exactly why so many privileges and chances to get away with malpractice,even murders? Just because some graduates law/nursing school? If it is like that, we all shall change our profession.
@@elizabetta2453 👍 Absolutely. Cannot think of any other case this serious where such a large player in the piece was not named but given anonymity. I for one don't want treating at any healthcare facility that he works at. High morality is surely a massive part of the requirements for being a Doctor, they deal with life and death every day, particularly him being a neonatal specialist. Far more needs to come out about this case instead of more secrecy, it was in the hidden realms of healthcare where Letby hid and prospered for so long. Openness is now totally essential in Medical Facilities instead of the usual banal - 'Lessons Will Be Learnt' rubbish that they pay lip service to whilst absolutely nothing changes. Whistleblowers are clearly still routinely ignored, something which allowed Shipman to amass hundreds of victims. The reputation of the hospital deemed far more important than the criminal deaths of parents beautiful little Babies. I am a guy and one thing guaranteed to melt my heart is a beautiful, precious little Baby. The most amazing but vulnerable little thing in this Universe brings out all of our protective sides. How Letby, a supposed caring lady got so out of whack with society is beyond me. Breaks my heart to think of the things she did to these amazing little lives, I really don't think I or most of us will ever understand how or why she did this.
@@Handlebar-MustDashmost nurses and doctors secretly have work affairs. They flirt all the time with each other. I feel so sorry for their wives. 😮if they see how their husbands sleep around with some of these nurses , some of them are also married to non medical professionals and somehow and someways, they end up with these doctors
I can’t believe the growing narrative that she was set up and she’s innocent. No matter what heinous act someone commits there’s always people trying to make money from it by saying it’s a conspiracy.
The narrator asks why anyone would want a house next to a cemetery.There must be thousands and thousands of houses that back onto a cemetery,including mine and we have never had a problem with it.Its the living you have to worry about not the dead.
Actually, the more I think about it the more I like the idea of living next to a cemetery, it's always peaceful and quiet. I'd quite happily swap one set of rotten neighbours for another any day
I would buy a house backing onto a cemetery, cemeteries are quite places. But Lucy living there backing onto the baby graves is chilling given the circumstances. Maybe she thought she would get to see the grieving parents through her window.
Very, very good point. If its true that this was the only local place of rest for babies, of course the grieving families would attend the burials right there.....a view from her bedroom....overlooking them all.
My theory is on the 1st arrest police gave a section 18 authority to search her bedroom in her parents house, not the whole house. (Letby admitted she still had a room in the parents house) The 2nd search of the parents house a section 18 search was done of the whole house, hence extra paper work found and not in the first search warrant, if that makes sense. - kept in another room. Police can only search what the warrant states ie: bedroom in parents address. (I can only say I believe this is the case as things may have changed since I left the civil service)
I'm pretty sure due to the seriousness of these crimes the police would have had the authority to search the entire house on the 1st arrest. She did use the whole house after all
No, with respect I disagree. If she (letby) stated in interview my room at my parents, then authority given on the section 18 search would have only made her bedroom lawful. Hence the 2nd search being a whole house search, like I said i can only comment on what is stated in the media and this video. I could be wrong, only freedom of information could confirm if the search warrant stated whole house or just bedroom. I say this with respect to your comment, its only what I believe maybe I'm wrong. But if search warrant stated her bedroom, only the bedroom would have been search.
Even if this were the case, why wouldn’t she have moved the papers somewhere safe? I don’t think she would forget her hiding spots for such important documents. If she just barely escaped detection, she would’ve relocated them. But she didn’t. Even that would suggest something about her psyche and arrogance
I believe she did this many more times then they know of. There were many warning signs present, but they were ignored. At least they finally caught this deadly psychpath.
How would you begin to figure that she did this more than they are aware of? They have all of the stats on the hospital. You couldn’t perpetrate this kind of crime anywhere but in a hospital setting. It’s not like she could sneak up to babies at the market or a restaurant and attack them.
@@danielmaloney2404 she worked at the Liverpool Womens and Children hospital prior to this. I saw an interview with one of the cops on the case and he said there were approx 4000 births in that hospital during her time there. They have to go through the mammoth task of looking for any discrepancies in those births.
@@userxpf9ti Unless there babies in her care as neo natal she wouldn't have had access. I think she was at Warrington as well I recognised her slightly.
When looking at the mugshot of someone who you know is a murderer it is virtually impossible to prevent that foreknowledge from influencing the way you see them. And your mind is sure you can see the murderer in them. In truth, a mugshot is probably the most unflattering photo that will ever be taken of you. But in Lucy Letby's case it goes a lot deeper than that. The contrast of so many smiling, "cutie-pie" snaps of her as the picture of innocence against the deathly, soulless, unnerving face she presents in her mugshot is INCREDIBLE. It's straight out of a psycho movie when the face suddenly changes and the victim knows they're about to die. It really couldn't be ACTED better than this. That's what makes this mugshot the most chillingly reflective portrait of a psychopath I have ever seen to date. I believe the mask has slipped here - and that this is the REAL face of Lucy Letby.
We can't all be perfect and so many people are painting a picture of themselves they are by putting the knife into L.Letby. When someone harms a baby or in the case of what Lucy did to so many of course there is such an out cry and why wouldn't there be because it was very by bad indeed. But let's pretend each and everyone of us is perfect and would not harm a fly if at some stage in our life we lost our minds.
I don’t think that she initially bought the house because of the cemetery, I do believe she had stashed those medical note’s somewhere, retrieved them and took them, with her parents, to her house whilst she was on bail.
I was in Court one Time for Disorderly Conduct,and the Police officer who was there said,I didn’t look like a Troublemaker,My reply was,Peter Suttcliffee didn’t look like a Serial Killer did he…Point is she looked so normal 😮
Just realised after watching this that i used to cycle on the cycle path directly behind her house! Crazy how close you can come to evil without even realising it. That cemetery is eerie as hell too, especially at night.
@@itsmeagain7825 Yes I agree . The reason it was abolished I think was they got it wrong a few times . But we now have technology not available in the early 60s
The location of Letby’s house directly adjacent to the cemetery, and the baby memorial to boot, might have resulted in a reduction in market value, rendering the property more affordable. Conversely, given her proclivity, the cemetery might have been an added attraction. Either way she won’t be living there.
They are now saying the notes were written after a therapist told her to write them. They are also saying that there were other child deaths at the hospital which were NOT on Letbys shift but this was not mentioned in the trial. Some experts and high profile people are now saying she is probably innocent. Read up about it on articles written in 2024.
iirc those deaths were explainable. She's not "probably innocent". She's "probably guilty" due to the totality of the evidence. There's no smoking gun like everyone expects from the TV
There is a possible link between her and the crematorium baby memorial garden. The garden seems to have been established and is maintained by volunteers from some support groups for stillbirth, neonatal and baby deaths. And a statue of two dolphins was actually installed at a ceremony lead by the COCH chaplain, a few years back. We know Lucy was involved in the hospital based fund raising - it might well be that she was involved here also, either fund raising, or even volunteer grounds maintenance? The fact is, police searched these grounds at the time of the arrest, so there was thought to be a link at some point.
@@normankennith7919 I believe when Lucy started her nursing career that she had very good intentions to care for babies on the wards she worked on and as for the fund raising Lucy took on and raised a large amount of money it is of my option once again that Lucy was very sincere in that as well. as to what changed Lucy from a devoted caring nurse into the killer she became (nobody will ever know and there is no point try to guess either).
@@IchaelGillhmm she had a huge emotional,involvement in these babies, and its not so clear cut black or white but some complex mish mash, Jekyll and Hyde or some such thing as the Victorians tried to understand it
Did her Internet search history not show anything like a death obsession? Kinda odd how little evidence is out in the public domain. Assuming she's guilty, wtf is wrong in her head? How can someone with no previously apparent 'disturbed behaviour' turn into this?! NHS needs serious reform too!!
The cemetery thing is pretty stupid. That doesn't mean anything at all. Every house on that side of the street backs on to the cemetery. Does that mean everyone who lives there is a serial killer? You have to put both houses and cemeteries somewhere, so it's not really a smoking gun.
@@lam19boWhy wasn't she charged for any of them then?. The cops have had all records since 2017. The list that she could be charged with shrank considerably from first arrest to her being charged.
@@joebish6629Probably read it on some fantasist comment on here, even the video maker couldn't be assed looking up the very site 'Rightmove' he quoted as finding info about the house, he'd have seen the boxroom was decorated with the owl before LL bought it. Zero critical thinking skills. Just blindly copy what some other nitwit has written.
I don't think the cemetery hypothesis has any weight here. It may well be that property prices for these houses were lower because of the cemetery and therefore more affordable for Letby's parents to buy.
@@Devil69693 why would you be scared to go near a graveyard? Graveyards are scary in movies, not in real life. In real life they're just places people's loved ones at laid to rest.
A house backing onto a cemetery would have been more affordable, it's hardly a selling point. She bought a house on her own in her early 20s, that's quite an achievement.
@@melgrant7404 my thoughts exactly! Why then plead not guilty? She had many years to remove any evidence from her house, and she didn't. Was she that obsessed that she just couldn't let go?
Interesting that you mentioned her "breadcrumbing". It's one of the standard behaviours of people with Narcissistic personality traits and is well documented.
I feel really sorry for her parents who loved and provided an ideal home for their only child. They appear to be very decent people. What made Lucy Letby turn into this other person. Will ever find out?
They still coddle her and treat her like she could do no wrong in spite of the overwhelming evidence. She was born a psychopath. All psychopaths are narcissists and the parents made the narcissism aspect of her psychopathy worse with their constant coddling and denial that she can do no wrong and she is perfect.
@@bmichellew2010absolutely agree with you. Most likely a psychopath and as you said, with that comes the narcissism - aided by her parents moulding this behaviour.
I’ve lived in two houses next door and backed onto a cemetery. I liked it. It’s obviously quiet. Full of nature. Pretty if you like those types of things. May mean nothing other than that.
She’s not an enigma. She’s a sadist. People just find it uncomfortable to come to terms that someone that looks like Lucy Letby could be a sadist and get off on the cruelty etc. Don’t make her mystic or an enigma. She’s cruel, spiteful and she enjoys it!
I don’t think she left the notes for the police to find…. She actually got comfortable with herself committing those crimes on the innocent helpless babies from quit a while without being held.
I don’t understand why she would leave note to be found. But then go court and deny it was her. Is it because she’s a narcissistic sociopath person who knows many unanswered questions with this evil creature.
@@AvatarOfTheAutism sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. Lack of empathy for others. Impulsive behavior. Attempting to control others with threats or aggression. Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others. Not learning from mistakes or punishment. Lying for personal gain. Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights.
@@Raising-awareness You are obviously correct. I did not know the 'ins & outs' of the condition, as you obviously do, but the clue is in the 1st part of the word, so I guessed.
Firstly, I do believe Letby left her messages intentionally. But as an intentional, cynical and sly move. Knowing, in all probability, she would be caught eventually, leaving rambling messages mentioning evil and writing in a haphazard and often incoherent way (take all her other neat handwriting examples) might convey she was insane. If she had been found guilty by reason of insanity, this sentence would greatly affect where she would be incarcerated and the length of her sentence. Her calculations didn't pay off. Secondly, it is more likely than not (should the accounts about her house purchase be true) that Letby's choice of home would enable her to keep mental souvenirs and memories of her murdering sprees. Many serial killers choose homes with basements, outhouses, sheds and barns to carry out their foul and heinous crimes. I hope the NHS installs CCTV in every ward where patients have no voice such as the young and old. I hope such a thing as Karma exists for Letby (I cannot bring myself to utter her first, innocent- sounding name). God rest the poor babies' innocent souls.
I thought it was very odd when I read a spare room in her home was set up as a nursery. I've never heard of a single woman her age setting up a nursery when she's not pregnant or even in a relationship. It's extremely bizarre, and I imagine any man she dated would be weirded out and turned off if he saw it.
Probably just like that from the previous owners. As a single person I'm pretty sure I wouldn't redecorate it in a hurry if I wasn't using the room, why bother if you're not using it?
@@quinnerefc I've been in a rented property for twenty years and the bedroom door is full of little animals and cradles and stars and moons, obviously once a nursery and I still haven't got round to removing them..
@@shonabeggs4640 The owls may not have been there before the Letby's purchased it. Righmove shows images from it's last sale attempt in Feb 2020 - unless there're historical images (pre-Feb 2020) that I've not seen. The owls exist in the Righmove images
It is wierd when one considers that the owls on the nursery walls in a baby ward are symbolic of moloch. A deity involved in child sacrifice. I find that strange
First thing that came to mind soon as the owls were shown. Not to mention she looks empty behind the eyes in pics, but of course this wouldn't get included in the media made documentaries as we know what agenda they like to push. These are not coincidences!!
@septembervirgo3723 They can also symbolize bad omen and death plus are used ritualistically. Owls like to reside in places cemeteries which just so happened to be behind letbys house.
At first, I thought, “Big whoop! She lives up on a cemetery!”, but it _is_ super interesting that it overlooks the children’s section. Had it been anyone else, again, I’d say, “big whoop”, but her being her certainly adds a level of creepiness to it. I’d LOVE to know what flipped the switch in her mind and made her what she is. Has anyone who has known her growing up ever mentioned anything odd about her? As an aside, my dad lives next to a cemetery. He says those are the best neighbors he’s ever had… but he will not drink the water from the tap. EDIT: Someone commented that her house is not right up next to the cemetery and, actually looking at the map shown the video, I see that’s true. I missed the map because I was only listening. That house is not “right up on” the cemetery. It’s very close though. However, seeing the map changes this back into a “big whoop”.
I watched a BBC Panarama programme about it this week & something I found really interesting was a comment her friend made (who was defending her & calling her the most caring person she knows). The friend said Lucy herself had a very difficult birth & that was why she wanted the career she chose. I wonder if somehow that has grown into a morbid fascination with newborns. It didn't seem to be picked up on but it made me wonder! It just baffles me why it took so long for her to develop into a full blown killer. I'm 99% certain she's guilty but I have a 1% niggle given her total normalcy & for all I hear about, a proper good friend & daughter. Psychopaths tend to show themselves over time but this one stealthily made her way through childhood & adulthood seemingly angelic. I hope more comes out of the woodwork about her or my 1% niggle will forever make me question this entire case
LL was found guilty by a jury. Yet no one will ever know the real truth. Did she do it, or was she a scapegoat for a failing NHS. I'm open minded on this.
Not one bit of physical evidence, all circumstantial, so many that have read and studied the evidence, the court minutes, and independent expert witnesses are worried about how safe this conviction is, and if there is reasonable doubt then it should be allowed to go to appeal!!
I think you're right! She saw a cemetery on the back, she saw a nursery, the house would've been less expensive because of the cemetery probably. She probably felt it was fate. And w the notes, definitely I agree that she most likely left those notes on purpose. She's not stupid but she's also a sadistic killer, so a note makes sense.
Right move should have pictures of the previous listing of the house when it was for sale before she purchased it. The images that were listed for my house are still there nearly 8yrs later.
They do, Jon just couldn't possibly scroll to verify that. It would have got in the way of him making a pointless video, and none of these psychologists and psychiatrists would have been able to dream up nearly as many facts about Letby.
I googled her house and you can see pictures of it before she bought it, the owl motif on the bedroom wall was already there when she purchased the property.
The house backing onto the baby memorial at the cemetery is absolutely true. You can walk it on Google Street View. The Owl images on the wall I am suspecting are from the previous owner of the house. I searched the archived property sales on Zoopla for the images of the house when it was up for sale before Lucy bought it and despite the image not actually showing the wall with the owls on it, it does show that the room was indeed a fully kitted out nursery. Below where the owls would be is a changing table, so it would have been well placed in that room. It's not as if it was covered by a wardrobe, for example. Also, it's likely an estate agent intentionally left the owls out of the image to encourage more viewings.
I think Letby kept the medical records and wrote the notes and just thought she was cleverer than hospital bosses and police, so she would not be caught. She thought she had fooled everyone by her mild manner and doubtless enjoyed the deceit, and let’s face it she did fool a lot of people for far too long. As for the cemetery it could have appealed to her twisted mind, but her house would also have been cheaper than others with a nicer position.
Between her house and Blacon Crem/cemetery is the Millenium Greenway, I believe. This is a disused railway line and cutting that they've made into a green walking and cycling path. It actually seems a really nice area to live, though I'm not keen on the featureless, box like house. And the crematorium and cemetery was very near. I do think - based purely on her inappropriate death scene crashing and comments reported in the trial - that she had an unhealthy attraction to death and all the drama that accompanies it.
Totally agree. She was obsessive and I do believe she was self aware and knew that there was something wrong with her. Her notes sound like a cry for help to be stopped. Also strange that she was a premature baby herself who was nursed in hospital. Awful really that she was saved and helped in hospital but she could not do the same for others.
@@TimewillTell1481They are a cry for help For everything to stop For things to go back to how they where These where written after she was no longer working so in effect if she was killing these innocent children she had already been stopped
@@juliew1824Yes, of course because she didn't ever work, or sleep. Perfect lifestyle really, sat at home all day with binoculars & popcorn, watching funerals all day.
Yes. For me, it shows a very immature and empty mind. Her bedroom was like a stereotypical 12 year old girl's - cuddly toys, wall art that said trite things like "leave sparkles wherever you go", "a dream is a wish your heart makes" (Disney) and "shine bright like a diamond" (Rihanna lyric). A psychopath's idea of what a young woman is like (i.e., her mask) and zero personality. I had an abusive housemate who was similarly nothingy and vanilla - think pink mugs with hearts on them, thoughtless stereotypically girlie duvet covers, fairy lights, etc etc....
@@islandbreeze2631 " Vanilla " is sweet . " Beige " suits better .. so bland that nothing stands out, certainly no sparkles .... I think the motivation was jealousy and hatred of ordinary couples loving relationships and their beautiful babies . It'd be interesting to find out did L.L. already know that she was infertile due to long term under-active thyroid problem . Having the gall to eavesdrop then approach a new Mum, telling her not to get her hopes up too much, that her baby would survive, really takes the biscuit for viciousness .
These random TH-camrs always do seem to have more information than the regular media, that's for sure. Quite a lot of the time they seem to have all sorts of interview footage and unreleased bodyworn etc. that the BBC never ran. How did they come by that and why did the mainstream media not broadcast it?
I’m sorry I know I’ve said this multiple video comments, but I educate on a particular mental disorder ( RAD ). I agree with you that Lucy was likely leaving obvious clues on purpose. This would be a common behavior of someone suffering with RAD. This is a disorder that has varying levels of severity similar to autism. It also is always accompanied by other disorders or illnesses. Some who have it are overt and some are covert. Lucy is clearly covert… even so if she does have that disorder.. she would do or say things that are obvious. People in general will not say something because it feels uncomfortable or we know it will be denied. This is part of the game. They are fully aware of this, and use it to prove to themselves they are superior to others. They struggle with feeling “ less than” others, but also smarter, more clever or better than others. It is a difficult disorder to explain in text. Most people struggle to understand those who have it for years.
I rented a room in a townhouse backing directly onto a cemetery. Literally sit on the couch and drapes open and there were the headstones 10 feet away. At night when fog rolled in let's just say those drapes were closed.
I would rather live next to a cemetery rather than with the neighbors I have. They litter, play loud music, argue with one another, and don't clean up dog waste.
I viewed a house backing onto a graveyard when I was househunting. It was selling at a good price because many people don't want to live so close to a graveyard. I didn't buy the house due to other issues, the graveyard didn't bother me. But that could be the reason Lucy bought the house...because it was cheap.
I know this is a stretch but the owls in her bedroom and the hospital could be related to Moloch the Owl deity to which child sacrifices were made in ancient times. I wonder if she had heard about that and found it funny.
I absolutely love it that there are still some smart people on this earth who dig very deep like you guys do!!!! Sometimes I wonder if it's not too far fetched, but... in this world, nothing surprises me anymore
The judge stated he felt she is devious and cunning. A psychiatrist would say she has Machiavellian traits. I think she left the “new” clues purposefully. Did she enjoy the thrill of Hide and Seek as a child?
@@normankennith7919 'lynch mob' that will be you who came with no valid argument to change my mind but with personal attacks, you wont convince anyone with that silly attitude. Bye bot.
There is a clone of letby in every TOWN AND EVERY CITY HOSPITAL IN THE UK , she just looks so normal, ifeel heartbroken for the babies parents, i can't stop thinking of this case. . . . . .
I saw that there was something odd about the interior of her home right away. Empty walls mostly and stuff piled up against walls in a careless fashion.
Butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. My concern is tgt Anyone showing a mere interest in these positions of authority; are not given 6 monthly cognitive testing. I've observed many of my psychitric nurses failings put it tht way. Half of them have a god complex. Things I myself have endured and witnessed on wards is absolutely Insane. And when I as a adult speek up about these events they get brushed under the carpet. Letby looks so unassuming; which is a big triggar for me. My thoughts go out to all affected 😔
I understand what you mean, psychiatric nurses, especially in an inpatient setting display more negative psychological symptoms than the patients themselves. They barely conceal their hostility and rage. They despise their mental health in-patients. And when the psychiatrist does his rounds they're all sweet and supportive. Absolutely crazy set of medics that's for certain, I wouldn't trust them not to euthanise someone if they could get away with it.
Viz the owls, you obviously don't buy home ware very often, because every year it's a different trend. One year its llamas, the next year it's woodland creatures (foxes, hedgehogs etc). Owls and Russian dolls are only two of the ones in which countless fabrics were printed. Owls have been very popular lately and you cannot buy a canvas bag, or tea towel without seeing ones with owls on. So I don't really think that has much significance. Sorry.
I know that in the US homes built next to railroad tracks, facilities such as sanitation garages/parking areas, and similar potentially noisy or dangerous services and businesses will be cheaper than property distant from them. So perhaps property bordering cemeteries falls into the same category as being less costly due to the emotional nature of their existence. I imagine this holds true in other countries as well.
Why did her neighbours buy property next to a cemetery? Probably because they could afford the house? Maybe liked the property? Why did Letby? Probably because she could afford it (with parental help) and it was walking distance to work. The owl in her home mirroring the one at work... that owl sticker/theme was really popular/common a couple of years ago, I see it everywhere. As you say, we don't know if she decorated that room or if it was like it when she moved in.
Exactly, we do know the owl mural was put up by the previous owners. Jon just didn't want to inform the loons. So made this video, knowing it would elicit more grotesque theories about her and her parents and friends.
Lucy may have purchased that particular house because it may have been more affordable on a single nurse's wages. I believe houses near a cemetery are harder to sell.
I had no idea that her backyard is pretty much a cemetery 😱!!!!!!! This and all of the new court documentation that finally became public, the witnesses, whistleblowers, the extremely negligence from its management of the Hospital to act when they should and knowing that there might be more victims of Lucy she Devil makes this even more morbid and sadistic in a way. Thanks for all your hardworking, I've been following this case through your videos from US.
It isnt. The Chester Millenium Greenway runs along the back of her house behind trees with trees on the other side of it and a fence both sides. The Crematorium garden is beyond that and you cannot see it well at all. The Greenway is more likely to be a selling point for walking dogs or cycling.
You are "Profilling" this nurse to explain her guilt. There are now more professional people looking at the evidence presented in court and doubting that the case against her has enough hard evidence to support your supposition here. Her defence lawyer seems to have done a poor job refuting the evidence presented by the other side giving mostly circumstantial evidence (no-one actually witnessed Lucy Letby committing these crimes she has been found guilty of). This is worrying in a legal system where guilt has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
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People have got to stop thinking that because someone is a Nurse or a Doctor it makes them good people same as priests and nuns they can be deadly and cruel beyond anyone’s imagination.
Sociopaths are usually high functioning, the medical profession in particular.
True
Amen to that
Am a doctor and I treat my patients nicely
@@DamonClarke-uo3ed classing her as a Sociopath is been kind.
I live in Chester, and I’ve had my children at the Countess of Chester hospital. I once had to stay on the maternity ward “cestrian” for six weeks. I seen reporters outside my room window at the time……it was alarming to say the least.
I can confirm that she does live at the back of the cemetery, and the baby garden is close too.
It’s terrifying how close to home this is.
My thoughts are with the families that have been effected by this pure evilness.
The proximity to the cemetery is f*cking weird.
But it does fit in with her weird fixation on seeing people grieve and suffer. Bizarre behaviour.
I’d also like to add to my last comment, that some of my pregnancies I had to stay at the Countess for 6-weeks to 2 months due to having complications with my pregnancies. my children were born before she was caught, and one was born during the first time she was arrested. I also had my babies stay in the special care unit for a short while, I give thanks that my babies escaped being under Lucy’s care due to timing, and my heart is broken for those families that she’s destroyed, I don’t think anybody could truly comprehend what the parents are going through.
My true concerns now is how the hospital handled this situation. The consultants are very good there so why was they ignored when they raised concerns to the managers/directors
@@mrkeoghshe live at the back end of the cemetery, and the police station is across the road from the front gate of the cemetery. She really thought she was untouchable
@@Bonnie-ns3ro wow, I just found it on Google Earth before seeing your comment.
@@hispoiemathe police station is also a very short distance from the hospital, you can see the hospital if stood outside the cemetery gate with the police station directly opposite you
Lucy Letby is the most terrifying of serial killers because we see people like her every single day blending in so easily. Chills me to the core!
An outcome which would fit nicely with a divide and conquer strategy, if you are now led to not trust anyone
Strange thing to say...we see people like Rose West, Beverley Allitt, Myra Hindley, blending in with the crowd, every day. We don't expect to see them with the word KILLER tattoed on their forehead.
They are us, in a way. Just us with a corrupted neural pathway.
@@juliew1824 Yes that’s correct 👊🏾💯
Satan's offspring walk among us they have no soul there counterfeit humans and vessels for evil.
This is exactly why I had such a hard time leaving my sons side in the NICU! I finally had to because.the nurses said if I passed out I’d be transported to a different hospital so I finally agreed to take some 3 hour naps in this weird massive sleeping dorm for parents. It killed me to leave him, I worried about something like this the entire time.
Are you not allowed to stay with ur newborn in UK hospitals???
@@yvamaks17_ I'm not in the UK (I wish because his NICU bill was$25,000!), but it's the typical rules of a NICU- no eating or sleeping for any visitors including parents.
My mates in the process of buying a house that backs onto a cemetery exactly the same as this
But he’s not a serial killer
The views are amazing
And it’s very very quiet
So think these ideas are nonsense
Such a truly nightmarish case, I can’t imagine what the victims and families are going through. So unbelievably sad 😢
@@normankennith7919 please explain
Do you think their suffering was giving her thrills?
Your reporting is clear and interesting. I am an RGN (of 40 years experience )and this case has horrified me beyond belief!!
Nearly every nurse i know takes coke at the weekend, is overweight, has no idea of how to take care of their own health let alone someone else's and got the job with a 40% or so pass in their degree. Nurses are not well educated, trustworthy, law-abiding individuals so you really shouldn't be surprised.
Would it horrify you that Queen Alexandra hospital near Portsmouth is referred to locally as "The Morgue". It was a dirty hole for many years, and now despite being cleaner, many have no confidence in its record on people who die after going in. C of Ch neonatal unit has been recorded as being a filthy hole too, and has since been flattened. Hospital cleanliness was in decline for many years in this country since they stopped having ward matrons, that ruled with an iron fist...
It's horrified everyone what does puzzle me is none of her closest friends appeared as a defence witness despite protesting innocence.
Also the fact she chose to Remain working there after people became concerned.
She was also asking for extra shifts.
I'd have ran a mile from the place.
@@artg9418Getting rid of matrons is just another idiotic legacy, in the long line of stupid things that the Tories have done to this country! and are still doing. 😠
@JulieZeena3846 actually it was under Howard Wilson (labour) in 1966 that matrons were abolished. In 1997 the tories petitioned to have matrons returned but Alan Milburn (labour) health Secretary refused, preferring to give some ward sisters extra responsibility to cover what would gave been the matrons role on top of their own...
So glad I stumbled across your excellent narration and insight into this absolutely horrific case. I’m a mum whose little boy was born with jaundice and a little concave chest many years ago. I was horrified when an older nurse accidentally tripped over legs of incubator for baby’s jaundice whilst holding my precious boy whilst I was watching. He went up in the air but she caught him with great determination before he fell. It was entirely accidental but I remember the sheer horror I felt and lack of trust I had with this particular nurse afterwards even though it was not intentional and he was fine. My boy is now a gorgeous handsome intelligent successful 32 year old whom I adore. I’m sickened by this woman and I’m a gentle person but I would gladly sit in a room and clap gleefully to her execution, a painful one like she inflicted on these precious beautiful souls. 🙏the parents😢
These babies were one pound?
Your son sounds like a really great guy, I'm happy for both him and you (:
She had so much prospects in her life and future, she obviously wasn't grateful unfortunately.
I think a lot of us think back to when our own children were born, my identical twin girls were born a bit early , so tiny and vulnerable, the thought of anybody hurting a child at that stage, is beyond horrifying, if anything had happened to my babies , I would have given up myself.
@@irenedavo3768It does not matter what they weighed she had no right to kill them the wicked witch😡
I’d like to say something, my brother was a nurse at the Boston pilgrim hospital, there was a scandal which never reached the papers, “allegedly” my brother or one of his colleagues where mistreating the geriatric patients. My brother was suspended, my brother ended his own life because he was innocent after an internal investigation it was found he was innocent & another nurse was charged & jailed for trying to suffocate patients. We don’t know what’s happened here, maybe she is innocent & there’s been massive failings within the hospital. That hospital ruined my brother blaming him for something so horrific. I love my brother & I’m so proud of all his hard work for the NHS 😢
Innocent??????
Sorry to hear of the loss of your brother in such a horrible way. Miscarriages of justice happen more than we like to think about. There were two in house and out investigations into LL before the hospital called in police, 1 found nothing. I'm glad your brother's good name was cleared, but very sad he couldn't keep fighting. It must be horrific to be accused of something you didn't do, no way of proving a negative, not being able to access cctv, records etc to prove your innocence, your accusers having access to it all, and the opportunity to hide and or destroy evidence. May your brother rest in peace. 🙏
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Firstly sorry for the loss of your brother I hope he is in God's care,such a burden you as a family have had to carry, I firmly believe Lucy letby is innocent and is been scapegoted by the big wigs in power, she's taking the rap for their incompetence,❤ hop you remain strong Bonnie,sending u lads of loving hugs,xx❤❤❤❤❤
So sorry 🙏🏾 that’s awful .
I think there were lots of Red flags..He's not getting out of here alive..Trust me I'm a Nurse..Hanging round grieving parents making highly inappropriate comments.. Constantly looking for attention...
The scribbled, hard to read notes aren't exactly something you might expect a 28 year old woman to write. But then you wouldn't expect a 28 year old woman to harbour a desire to harm babies......
Do you mean that you would expect a 28 year old man to harm babies? Or someone older or younger than 28? Surely every killer is 28 at some point?
People who are mentally unstable or depressed scribbles like that.
@@Thisisme918 also someone wuth learning difficulties.
@@normankennith7919Do you write to her in prison??
@@normankennith7919 so your into baby killers
Her parents bought the house for her! She was a spoilt only child. Smothered and put onto a pedestal! Not her parents fault but she thought she was entitled and she was full of envy and hatred because she wasn't getting a romantic interest - the one she really wanted. She wanted attention and admiration.
Well said . Apparently her parents were somewhat suffocating even by her admission.
@@serenityinside1That may be but we cant listen to her obviously
I should imagine she lied to her parents all the time, and got away with everything. She was an adored child. Her dad much older than the mum, probably couldn't do much to reprimand the child.
@@georgia8592 not her statements.
That house was too big for her - she heavily hinted at such in messages to her friends. She also wasn't really doing much work to it, no redecorating, etc. when she lived there for another two years before being arrested. it suggests to me she was lukewarm about owning it and it certainly sounds like this may have been forced on her.
A lot of her stuff was still visible in the late-2019 (i.e. before she was remanded) Rightmove listing as well. The bedroom furniture, the TV and so on. I have no idea if those were sold with the property or just used to dress the place prior to sale, being finally removed before the new owner moved in.
I don't think her house being located right next to a cemetery is a coincidence. This woman had a morbid fascination with death. We can only imagine the depraved thoughts going on in her warped mind.
Perhaps fearing her own parents aging? Did they have health complications that exacerbated her obsessions around death? Did she intend her parents to be laid to rest in that cemetery? Still close to her even in death.
I also wonder if she hoped to exhume a baby from the cemetery and keep it in a nursery with her in the house.
@@MikeInHalifaxI heard from her parents neighbour that she forced the owners of that house to give it to her and she bought every vacant plot in the cemetery.
@@shonabeggs4640 Really? Wow. That's crazy.
Shame she didn’t act out her sick fantasies on herself.
@@shonabeggs4640give me a break .
I never thought we in the Uk would ever see this type of crime ever again after Beverley Allitt. I thought we would have learned from it unfortunately, we did not. Thank you.
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Harold Shipman came after Allitt.
The management have a lot to answer for as they cared more about her grievance procedure than those tiny, innocent babies and their families. We haven't heard the last of this.
@@reeva5735 I would have said that Shipman didn’t kill babies but he did kill another vulnerable part of society, our aged. So yes Shipman deserves a place.
@@hazel9903 Couldn’t agree more👍
I was reading a recent interview with Prof David Wilson, a renowned UK criminologist and author. He was talking about how incredibly rare this type of medical murderer is, and saying there has been 30 across the whole world, over the last 30 years. So an average of 1 per year over all countries. That is rare. Compare that to other types of murders - DV murders, drugs & gangs, robbery etc.
You say on average one ocurance somewhere in the world each year! That is scary enough to make any person worry about a stay in hospital! Thank you for the info.
LL killed over several years, so once per year is technically correct but not realistically correct
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That's those who are caught. Clearly there will be others.
Wilson is talking about incidences of medical murderers not the body count. An average of one medical murderer per year on the planet. Compared say to the tens and maybe hundreds of thousands being killed by shortage of ambulances, GPs, critical care provision, acute care provision - caused by political asset stripping over the last decade and a half.
Very interesting that they dug up her gardens I do wonder what they were looking for. I thought the decal on the wall in her spare room is definitely a baby nursery decal, and like you said very similar style to the hospital ward she worked on. I think there are many more convictions for her to come sadly.
Bodies of babies or mammals.
Why sadly? Hopefully she'll get removed from her cushy conditions and put under the jail and fed every other day. Or sadly for the parents who have no idea their precious baby was a victim of this monster!
@@lolazal1 Yes I thought that. More horryfying by the day.
Sadly we will never know those people never want closure, so they have sick trophy s and part of that murder spree ,the killer takes that figure to their grave,ther last controll over the people they have wronged, my view,, how horrible of a person is all I can say, GOD HELP US ALL AND PROTECT US,🙏🙏💞
A lot are coincidence but we'll never know for sure.
The most terrifying thing is that seven consultants told management about their suspicions and they were ignored and one of them had to apologise to her for ‘bullying’. The health sector cares more than their reputation than they do for our health 😮😢
Exactly. These institutions are geared for staff first, equipment second and patients 3rd.
@janetdonald9801 I'm American and have worked in healthcare for over 19 years. Hospitals, as well as insurance companies, are run by businessmen, not doctors. They are the ones deciding what care you should get, not what you really need. The bottom line is the Almighty dollar. Many residents aren't going into fields like family practice because of insurance companies. Instead, they are choosing fields like plastic surgery because most insurance companies don't cover it, and they can charge what they want. Same with mental health. It's sad and the system is broken. You take care 🙂
I find it almost impossible to believe that the first murder she was charged with was her first murder, who when comitting any crime never mind killing a baby would have the confidence to commit the crime with other people in the room,i dont think this will be the last time shes in court unfortunately
You didn't consider it's highly unlikely anyone would do such a thing with a room full of doctors?
@shonabeggs4640 exactly,unless it wasn't their first time doing it,as horrible I think there will be more babies deaths announced at the hands of her.
she worked in another hospital too. police are going through earlier cases
@@newshound2521my god.
Someone has come forward from 2013 to say they're pretty sure Letby attacked their baby - she wasn't their dedicated nurse, but they saw her standing over the cot, and she walked away as soon as she saw the baby's mother. The baby suffered a collapsed lung a few minutes after... luckily she recovered! They didn't think it particularly suspicious at the time, but they recognised her face when in the news.
omg her house backing onto a graveyard means nothing - are you saying everyone else on that road and everyone else who ever lived in the house are murderers too?
Well the others there aren't serial killers of babies! She is. How do you know it means nothing Sarah? Explain
@@Jordan-pb1iq it's actually quuite nice to back onto a cemetery as its quiet. its a very silly point to say its relevant, people dont have complete choice when buying a house anyway, its what they can afford.
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@@SarahParry88 I mean to be fair in places like that yeah. Our family graveyard is within walking distance. People from the same families have been buried there for hundreds of years because it was that areas church and close community. I bet at least 5 residents in Lucy’s neighborhood had family in the cemetery behind her house the difference is she chose to buy that house and others inherited. Also who in the hell especially a NURSE wants to live next to a graveyard. Like she paid MONEY for a house next to a cemetery 😭😭😭 common sense
@@andrewpragnell1086a nurse of her accomplishments could afford that house and a handful more acres. In 2016. It’s not like she was poor.
This girl should not have been allowed anywhere near a ward after she was initially arrested in 2018 imo. It is the lowest of the low crime and something seriously must have gone wrong in her childhood and upbringing. It is like a deep rooted jealousy or resentment over something. Very strange and evil intent imo.
She wasn't back on the wards after her initial arrest, her superiors were looking to get her back though.
@@crazychrisfromessex1740 She did a back office role, but the point I am trying to make, is that she should have never been allowed back on the wards. She should have remained back office.
@@simonpayne54not after her arrest
She was bailed to her parents and was not allowed contact with hospital or colleagues
Interesting colleagues accepted her socially after those limitations where lifted huh
Once arrested, she was bailed to her parents and never worked a medical setting again. Once removed from the ward all the collapsing of babies stopped prompting the bosses to second guess their initial decision wherein the doctors claims were dismissed. The hospital basically handed themselves in to police at that point.
@reeva5735 that's not quite accurate, there were still casualties, just not at the level or in the same symptoms of the previous ones.
I live in America which is known to be infamous for serial murders. This case is right up there with some of our most heinous cases. I still cannot fathom the targeting of NICU infants. 😱 I do believe this ghoulish monster did buy that home because it backed up to a Cemetery. It played right into her sick and demented mentality. Great reporting!
Infamous, thank god you know. Jeffrey Dahmer… still gives me chills
The UK can absolutely go toe-to-toe with America when it comes to heinous serial killers.
@@NosyFella I have watched documentaries of UK serial killers. And when I hear my fellow Americans report that serial murders are American in nature, I say to the TV screen "HAH"
@@MaryMacElveen Jack the Ripper is arguably the first serial killer so I think if anything it's the British who invented the genre
@@MaryMacElveen No were up there with the best.And were only a island.
Great coverage of the trial and so much detail. Thanks for the hard work and time you have committed.
The wall decal (aka owl) from Letby's house is very similar to those found at the hospital. This is very interesting. Again, great job John!! 🤗 💕
Just watched a video of a ritual in Bohemian Grove with a 40 foot owl? Her room and in the hospital too?
That owl in her spare room is no coincidence of you ask me. It’s creepy like her.
@@robinbanks. Good grief! I think you're going about ten conspiracy theories too far there!
Another excellent video many thanks
@@robinbanks.Okay, now that's a stretch. Plenty of people must have owl decals in their rooms
You can tell by her writing, there is something clearly wrong with her?
It looks manic. It says she was busted imo.
Independent psychiatrist have said it’s the scrawling of a deeply depressed person
There is a ton of conflicting statements in them
You’d hope Anyone accused of such horrific crimes would not be balanced
I would have thought it would be a problem if they where
The cops said - 'When we searched the 2nd address'. Letby would likely not have believed that a further search would be conducted at either property in Chester or Hereford.
Absolutely agree, the married Dr has a lot more questions to answer. Letby appears to have been doing the Anne Boleyn routine, she lead Henry VIII on with her desire to be wife rather than mistress - 'Look at what you could have sir if you get rid of your wife'. Cost Boleyn's head in the end and Letby's lifelong liberty.
This Doctor in hiding should be named as he either wittingly or unwittingly played such an intrinsic part in Letby's madness. Any other profession and this colleague of Letby would have been named in court. The Protected Status of health workers played a huge part in Letby getting away with these murders for so long, she even got an apology from the Consultants. What a crazy World where your occupation in healthcare can coverup such horrendous actions for so long, needs stopping and urgently.
Exactly why so many privileges and chances to get away with malpractice,even murders? Just because some graduates law/nursing school? If it is like that, we all shall change our profession.
Name the doctor she was involve with!
@@elizabetta2453 👍 Absolutely. Cannot think of any other case this serious where such a large player in the piece was not named but given anonymity.
I for one don't want treating at any healthcare facility that he works at. High morality is surely a massive part of the requirements for being a Doctor, they deal with life and death every day, particularly him being a neonatal specialist.
Far more needs to come out about this case instead of more secrecy, it was in the hidden realms of healthcare where Letby hid and prospered for so long. Openness is now totally essential in Medical Facilities instead of the usual banal - 'Lessons Will Be Learnt' rubbish that they pay lip service to whilst absolutely nothing changes. Whistleblowers are clearly still routinely ignored, something which allowed Shipman to amass hundreds of victims. The reputation of the hospital deemed far more important than the criminal deaths of parents beautiful little Babies.
I am a guy and one thing guaranteed to melt my heart is a beautiful, precious little Baby. The most amazing but vulnerable little thing in this Universe brings out all of our protective sides. How Letby, a supposed caring lady got so out of whack with society is beyond me. Breaks my heart to think of the things she did to these amazing little lives, I really don't think I or most of us will ever understand how or why she did this.
@@Handlebar-MustDashmost nurses and doctors secretly have work affairs. They flirt all the time with each other. I feel so sorry for their wives. 😮if they see how their husbands sleep around with some of these nurses , some of them are also married to non medical professionals and somehow and someways, they end up with these doctors
you are so right about the cover up in the nhs. disgusting.
I can’t believe the growing narrative that she was set up and she’s innocent. No matter what heinous act someone commits there’s always people trying to make money from it by saying it’s a conspiracy.
The narrator asks why anyone would want a house next to a cemetery.There must be thousands and thousands of houses that back onto a cemetery,including mine and we have never had a problem with it.Its the living you have to worry about not the dead.
That’s such a wise statement. The living are scary
Spot on!
My husband always says, "Quiet neighbors."
Yep
Actually, the more I think about it the more I like the idea of living next to a cemetery, it's always peaceful and quiet. I'd quite happily swap one set of rotten neighbours for another any day
Maybe she was intending to visit the babies at the cemetery after killing them, so she could keep them as hers
What an interesting thought.
That's what I thought, or she hoped she would be able to see her victims' headstones from her window.
That wouldn’t surprise me
I would buy a house backing onto a cemetery, cemeteries are quite places. But Lucy living there backing onto the baby graves is chilling given the circumstances. Maybe she thought she would get to see the grieving parents through her window.
Yes.....no noise, no music...no barking dogs. No fighting...or smells of food cooking.
Or she might be able to see the headstones of her victims from her house.
Very, very good point. If its true that this was the only local place of rest for babies, of course the grieving families would attend the burials right there.....a view from her bedroom....overlooking them all.
My theory is on the 1st arrest police gave a section 18 authority to search her bedroom in her parents house, not the whole house. (Letby admitted she still had a room in the parents house) The 2nd search of the parents house a section 18 search was done of the whole house, hence extra paper work found and not in the first search warrant, if that makes sense. - kept in another room.
Police can only search what the warrant states ie: bedroom in parents address.
(I can only say I believe this is the case as things may have changed since I left the civil service)
I'm pretty sure due to the seriousness of these crimes the police would have had the authority to search the entire house on the 1st arrest. She did use the whole house after all
No, with respect I disagree. If she (letby) stated in interview my room at my parents, then authority given on the section 18 search would have only made her bedroom lawful.
Hence the 2nd search being a whole house search, like I said i can only comment on what is stated in the media and this video. I could be wrong, only freedom of information could confirm if the search warrant stated whole house or just bedroom.
I say this with respect to your comment, its only what I believe maybe I'm wrong. But if search warrant stated her bedroom, only the bedroom would have been search.
@dizzybird6777 makes sense to me too.
Even if this were the case, why wouldn’t she have moved the papers somewhere safe? I don’t think she would forget her hiding spots for such important documents. If she just barely escaped detection, she would’ve relocated them. But she didn’t. Even that would suggest something about her psyche and arrogance
@@dizzybird6777being familiar with police process, i think you are spot on
I believe she did this many more times then they know of. There were many warning signs present, but they were ignored. At least they finally caught this deadly psychpath.
And those warning signs are.....
Most are saying there was not warning signs and they where blindsided by this
How would you begin to figure that she did this more than they are aware of? They have all of the stats on the hospital. You couldn’t perpetrate this kind of crime anywhere but in a hospital setting. It’s not like she could sneak up to babies at the market or a restaurant and attack them.
She was white and English, the type that want and her managers on the ward and ceo of the hospital will dismiss she can do such a heinous act.
@@danielmaloney2404 she worked at the Liverpool Womens and Children hospital prior to this. I saw an interview with one of the cops on the case and he said there were approx 4000 births in that hospital during her time there. They have to go through the mammoth task of looking for any discrepancies in those births.
@@userxpf9ti Unless there babies in her care as neo natal she wouldn't have had access. I think she was at Warrington as well I recognised her slightly.
When looking at the mugshot of someone who you know is a murderer it is virtually impossible to prevent that foreknowledge from influencing the way you see them. And your mind is sure you can see the murderer in them.
In truth, a mugshot is probably the most unflattering photo that will ever be taken of you. But in Lucy Letby's case it goes a lot deeper than that. The contrast of so many smiling, "cutie-pie" snaps of her as the picture of innocence against the deathly, soulless, unnerving face she presents in her mugshot is INCREDIBLE.
It's straight out of a psycho movie when the face suddenly changes and the victim knows they're about to die. It really couldn't be ACTED better than this. That's what makes this mugshot the most chillingly reflective portrait of a psychopath I have ever seen to date.
I believe the mask has slipped here - and that this is the REAL face of Lucy Letby.
Yes of course it is.
Yes, but also it could be of someone haunted by being arrested and all the consequences.
Possibly but she'd already been arrested twice before at that point.@@stephencooper1307
Not really
@@stephencooper1307 true may I say and I think you have hit it on the head.
I'm from Chester and I can confirm her proximity to the baby memorial in the graveyard is absolutely true... That's crazy
wow
We can't all be perfect and so many people are painting a picture of themselves they are by putting the knife into L.Letby.
When someone harms a baby or in the case of what Lucy did to so many of course there is such an out cry and why wouldn't there be because it was very by bad indeed.
But let's pretend each and everyone of us is perfect and would not harm a fly if at some stage in our life we lost our minds.
@@IchaelGill I think there's a big difference between making a harmless mistake than being a serial murderer of babies pal 😂
@@IchaelGill We may not all be perfect but at least we don't all murder 7 babies each, jfc
@@IchaelGillweird thing to say.I've suffered with anxiety and depression for most of my life and never harmed another person.
I don’t think that she initially bought the house because of the cemetery, I do believe she had stashed those medical note’s somewhere, retrieved them and took them, with her parents, to her house whilst she was on bail.
Instead of offering the sheets to the investigation to help clear herself she hid them .
I was in Court one Time for Disorderly Conduct,and the Police officer who was there said,I didn’t look like a Troublemaker,My reply was,Peter Suttcliffee didn’t look like a Serial Killer did he…Point is she looked so normal 😮
Just realised after watching this that i used to cycle on the cycle path directly behind her house! Crazy how close you can come to evil without even realising it. That cemetery is eerie as hell too, especially at night.
Well they seem to think there's something in her buying a house directly in front.But so did her neighbours.
Thank you for all your coverage of this. I’m about an hour away, very tempted to try and verify the house position!
Please let us know what you find.
What a horrible woman I am lost for words ❤
A walking argument for bringing back capital punishment.
Am not this is the UK.
Oh grow up.
Cat 🐱 got your tongue
@@itsmeagain7825 Yes I agree . The reason it was abolished I think was they got it wrong a few times . But we now have technology not available in the early 60s
The location of Letby’s house directly adjacent to the cemetery, and the baby memorial to boot, might have resulted in a reduction in market value, rendering the property more affordable.
Conversely, given her proclivity, the cemetery
might have been an added attraction. Either way she won’t be living there.
pretty much the going rate for that type of house at the time@@Sam-gw5pl
They are now saying the notes were written after a therapist told her to write them. They are also saying that there were other child deaths at the hospital which were NOT on Letbys shift but this was not mentioned in the trial. Some experts and high profile people are now saying she is probably innocent. Read up about it on articles written in 2024.
@@paulPeasmarsh Two of her accuser's were also previously convicted of harassing and bullying her.
iirc those deaths were explainable.
She's not "probably innocent". She's "probably guilty" due to the totality of the evidence. There's no smoking gun like everyone expects from the TV
Who is "they"? And why are they just now saying the notes were written after a therapist told her to write them? What does this even matter?
There is a possible link between her and the crematorium baby memorial garden. The garden seems to have been established and is maintained by volunteers from some support groups for stillbirth, neonatal and baby deaths. And a statue of two dolphins was actually installed at a ceremony lead by the COCH chaplain, a few years back. We know Lucy was involved in the hospital based fund raising - it might well be that she was involved here also, either fund raising, or even volunteer grounds maintenance? The fact is, police searched these grounds at the time of the arrest, so there was thought to be a link at some point.
Yes it could have been😕
@@normankennith7919 I believe when Lucy started her nursing career that she had very good intentions to care for babies on the wards she worked on and as for the fund raising Lucy took on and raised a large amount of money it is of my option once again that Lucy was very sincere in that as well.
as to what changed Lucy from a devoted caring nurse into the killer she became (nobody will ever know and there is no point try to guess either).
@@normankennith7919 She was for her own gains!!
@@IchaelGillhmm she had a huge emotional,involvement in these babies, and its not so clear cut black or white but some complex mish mash, Jekyll and Hyde or some such thing as the Victorians tried to understand it
Did her Internet search history not show anything like a death obsession? Kinda odd how little evidence is out in the public domain. Assuming she's guilty, wtf is wrong in her head? How can someone with no previously apparent 'disturbed behaviour' turn into this?! NHS needs serious reform too!!
The cemetery thing is pretty stupid. That doesn't mean anything at all. Every house on that side of the street backs on to the cemetery. Does that mean everyone who lives there is a serial killer? You have to put both houses and cemeteries somewhere, so it's not really a smoking gun.
She's killed WAY WAY more than 7 baby's
@joebish6629 I read there's 40 babys that died on her watch , I highly doubt she started in 2015
@@lam19bo sadly for the babies, I agree with you. Baby A was not her first attempt/success. We will see her in court again imo.
@@lam19boWhy wasn't she charged for any of them then?. The cops have had all records since 2017. The list that she could be charged with shrank considerably from first arrest to her being charged.
@@joebish6629Probably read it on some fantasist comment on here, even the video maker couldn't be assed looking up the very site 'Rightmove' he quoted as finding info about the house, he'd have seen the boxroom was decorated with the owl before LL bought it. Zero critical thinking skills. Just blindly copy what some other nitwit has written.
@@shonabeggs4640 why not wait and see what she may be charged with.what about the time before 2017.
She looks so "nice" and "kind" it's scary to think about it knowing what she did....😱😱😱
The Halo Effect in play.
@@shadowysea EXACTLY
I don't think the cemetery hypothesis has any weight here. It may well be that property prices for these houses were lower because of the cemetery and therefore more affordable for Letby's parents to buy.
Didn't know her house was near a cemetery. I don't think that was by accident.
Yeah, but I wonder why she lived there, what did she think she gained there
@@AvatarOfTheAutism she is morbid, this kind of people infatuated with death, I am scared to go near graveyard let alone live next to one...
@@Devil69693 why would you be scared to go near a graveyard?
Graveyards are scary in movies, not in real life. In real life they're just places people's loved ones at laid to rest.
A house backing onto a cemetery would have been more affordable, it's hardly a selling point. She bought a house on her own in her early 20s, that's quite an achievement.
@@Devil69693 why scared? Not the dead who can hurt you! It's the living as this case proves
There’s just no words for her, just evil😔😔😔x
I absolutely believe those notes were meant to be found.
But why then plead not guilty. Why did she take home and hide the hospital sheets instead of using them to aid her case.
@@melgrant7404 my thoughts exactly! Why then plead not guilty? She had many years to remove any evidence from her house, and she didn't. Was she that obsessed that she just couldn't let go?
@@juliette23 yes it seems that way. I wonder why she took those hospital sheets home when she didn't need to.
@melgrant7404 why does a serial killer do anything?! We don't know because we don't have the same thought patterns.
Yes she covered her base if she were caught to play victim, mental illness confuse her case
Interesting that you mentioned her "breadcrumbing". It's one of the standard behaviours of people with Narcissistic personality traits and is well documented.
I feel really sorry for her parents who loved and provided an ideal home for their only child. They appear to be very decent people. What made Lucy Letby turn into this other person. Will ever find out?
They still coddle her and treat her like she could do no wrong in spite of the overwhelming evidence. She was born a psychopath. All psychopaths are narcissists and the parents made the narcissism aspect of her psychopathy worse with their constant coddling and denial that she can do no wrong and she is perfect.
@@bmichellew2010absolutely agree with you. Most likely a psychopath and as you said, with that comes the narcissism - aided by her parents moulding this behaviour.
I’ve lived in two houses next door and backed onto a cemetery. I liked it. It’s obviously quiet. Full of nature. Pretty if you like those types of things. May mean nothing other than that.
She's an enigma wrapped up in an enigma. We will never know.
She’s not an enigma. She’s a sadist. People just find it uncomfortable to come to terms that someone that looks like Lucy Letby could be a sadist and get off on the cruelty etc.
Don’t make her mystic or an enigma. She’s cruel, spiteful and she enjoys it!
I don’t think she left the notes for the police to find…. She actually got comfortable with herself committing those crimes on the innocent helpless babies from quit a while without being held.
I don’t understand why she would leave note to be found. But then go court and deny it was her. Is it because she’s a narcissistic sociopath person who knows many unanswered questions with this evil creature.
I forgot what sociopath means, is it when someone is basically emotionless? Because I feel as if that describes her very well
@@AvatarOfTheAutism sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others.
Lack of empathy for others.
Impulsive behavior.
Attempting to control others with threats or aggression.
Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others.
Not learning from mistakes or punishment.
Lying for personal gain.
Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights.
She want the police to thinks he is mad so as to get an easer sentencing. Why would anyone want to keep those notes knowing they would be found?
@@Raising-awareness Ohh ok yeah that sounds exactly like her, it’s honestly scary
@@Raising-awareness You are obviously correct. I did not know the 'ins & outs' of the condition, as you obviously do, but the clue is in the 1st part of the word, so I guessed.
This video is taking the word desperado to another level.
Firstly, I do believe Letby left her messages intentionally. But as an intentional, cynical and sly move. Knowing, in all probability, she would be caught eventually, leaving rambling messages mentioning evil and writing in a haphazard and often incoherent way (take all her other neat handwriting examples) might convey she was insane. If she had been found guilty by reason of insanity, this sentence would greatly affect where she would be incarcerated and the length of her sentence. Her calculations didn't pay off. Secondly, it is more likely than not (should the accounts about her house purchase be true) that Letby's choice of home would enable her to keep mental souvenirs and memories of her murdering sprees. Many serial killers choose homes with basements, outhouses, sheds and barns to carry out their foul and heinous crimes. I hope the NHS installs CCTV in every ward where patients have no voice such as the young and old. I hope such a thing as Karma exists for Letby (I cannot bring myself to utter her first, innocent- sounding name). God rest the poor babies' innocent souls.
Christians do not believe in karma
Nonsense. You've been watching too much TV true crime.
She's a serial killer. She's on TV. Duh....
I'm not a Christian. I'm rational and cynical.
I thought it was very odd when I read a spare room in her home was set up as a nursery. I've never heard of a single woman her age setting up a nursery when she's not pregnant or even in a relationship. It's extremely bizarre, and I imagine any man she dated would be weirded out and turned off if he saw it.
The owl was there when she bought the house. Evidence is online & date stamped. 5 mins research proves that.
Probably just like that from the previous owners. As a single person I'm pretty sure I wouldn't redecorate it in a hurry if I wasn't using the room, why bother if you're not using it?
@@quinnerefc I've been in a rented property for twenty years and the bedroom door is full of little animals and cradles and stars and moons, obviously once a nursery and I still haven't got round to removing them..
@@shonabeggs4640 The owls may not have been there before the Letby's purchased it. Righmove shows images from it's last sale attempt in Feb 2020 - unless there're historical images (pre-Feb 2020) that I've not seen. The owls exist in the Righmove images
It could have been a nursery when she bought the house.
It is wierd when one considers that the owls on the nursery walls in a baby ward are symbolic of moloch. A deity involved in child sacrifice. I find that strange
Owls symbolise wisdom, nothing to do with sacrifice and this is the correct spelling of weird.
Bohemian grove ?? 🤔
No owls symbolises evil in my culture. Just surprised it’s on wall in baby’s ward, and Lucy has got it in her rooms
First thing that came to mind soon as the owls were shown. Not to mention she looks empty behind the eyes in pics, but of course this wouldn't get included in the media made documentaries as we know what agenda they like to push.
These are not coincidences!!
@septembervirgo3723 They can also symbolize bad omen and death plus are used ritualistically. Owls like to reside in places cemeteries which just so happened to be behind letbys house.
At first, I thought, “Big whoop! She lives up on a cemetery!”, but it _is_ super interesting that it overlooks the children’s section. Had it been anyone else, again, I’d say, “big whoop”, but her being her certainly adds a level of creepiness to it.
I’d LOVE to know what flipped the switch in her mind and made her what she is. Has anyone who has known her growing up ever mentioned anything odd about her?
As an aside, my dad lives next to a cemetery. He says those are the best neighbors he’s ever had… but he will not drink the water from the tap.
EDIT: Someone commented that her house is not right up next to the cemetery and, actually looking at the map shown the video, I see that’s true. I missed the map because I was only listening. That house is not “right up on” the cemetery. It’s very close though. However, seeing the map changes this back into a “big whoop”.
Why doesn't he drink the water from the tap? Does he drink only bottled water?
I watched a BBC Panarama programme about it this week & something I found really interesting was a comment her friend made (who was defending her & calling her the most caring person she knows). The friend said Lucy herself had a very difficult birth & that was why she wanted the career she chose. I wonder if somehow that has grown into a morbid fascination with newborns. It didn't seem to be picked up on but it made me wonder! It just baffles me why it took so long for her to develop into a full blown killer. I'm 99% certain she's guilty but I have a 1% niggle given her total normalcy & for all I hear about, a proper good friend & daughter. Psychopaths tend to show themselves over time but this one stealthily made her way through childhood & adulthood seemingly angelic. I hope more comes out of the woodwork about her or my 1% niggle will forever make me question this entire case
@@skybluedreams77 The tap water is too full bodied
I have said the exact thing, everyone I said that to disagrees but I have this 1 % niggle too. X
@@flotinaway7now that is a morbid comment 😮
Creepy af.
Such good observations, I really hope you continue to follow this case! And update us, of course. ❤
LL was found guilty by a jury. Yet no one will ever know the real truth. Did she do it, or was she a scapegoat for a failing NHS. I'm open minded on this.
Not one bit of physical evidence, all circumstantial, so many that have read and studied the evidence, the court minutes, and independent expert witnesses are worried about how safe this conviction is, and if there is reasonable doubt then it should be allowed to go to appeal!!
I mean... focusing on the fact her house is next to a cemetary is laughably desperate.
I think you're right! She saw a cemetery on the back, she saw a nursery, the house would've been less expensive because of the cemetery probably. She probably felt it was fate. And w the notes, definitely I agree that she most likely left those notes on purpose. She's not stupid but she's also a sadistic killer, so a note makes sense.
*definitely* she *most likely* left those notes on purpose...😂So funny!
@@CB-xr1eg fixed it a bit. Showing agreement, do I deserve to be laughed at?
@@SlothicNHI Oh yes, definitely.🤣
Why leave the notes on purpose if she was then going to plead not guilty. Does not make sense.
@@CB-xr1eg you're not very nice.
Right move should have pictures of the previous listing of the house when it was for sale before she purchased it. The images that were listed for my house are still there nearly 8yrs later.
They do, Jon just couldn't possibly scroll to verify that. It would have got in the way of him making a pointless video, and none of these psychologists and psychiatrists would have been able to dream up nearly as many facts about Letby.
It would be interesting to see what happened to the babies, whose medical notes were found stashed the 2nd time around.
Yes notes she didn't want to offer the investigation to aid her case.
Interesting thought. Maybe she was trying to study the notes & work out a more fool proof modus operandi
She stole those papers. I don't think she looked over them one by one. She most likely photocopied an entire year of admissions.
With every new piece of information about this freak it just gets sicker and sicker
I googled her house and you can see pictures of it before she bought it, the owl motif on the bedroom wall was already there when she purchased the property.
Prolific killers sometimes have the paradoxical wish to be caught…
That's a thought. Could be so.
Indeed
The house backing onto the baby memorial at the cemetery is absolutely true. You can walk it on Google Street View.
The Owl images on the wall I am suspecting are from the previous owner of the house. I searched the archived property sales on Zoopla for the images of the house when it was up for sale before Lucy bought it and despite the image not actually showing the wall with the owls on it, it does show that the room was indeed a fully kitted out nursery. Below where the owls would be is a changing table, so it would have been well placed in that room. It's not as if it was covered by a wardrobe, for example. Also, it's likely an estate agent intentionally left the owls out of the image to encourage more viewings.
How can anyone look so innocent and be so evil at the same time
Because unfortunately, The Halo Effect is real because humans aren't as smart or evolved as we like to imagine ourselves to be.
I think Letby kept the medical records and wrote the notes and just thought she was cleverer than hospital bosses and police, so she would not be caught. She thought she had fooled everyone by her mild manner and doubtless enjoyed the deceit, and let’s face it she did fool a lot of people for far too long. As for the cemetery it could have appealed to her twisted mind, but her house would also have been cheaper than others with a nicer position.
Between her house and Blacon Crem/cemetery is the Millenium Greenway, I believe. This is a disused railway line and cutting that they've made into a green walking and cycling path. It actually seems a really nice area to live, though I'm not keen on the featureless, box like house. And the crematorium and cemetery was very near. I do think - based purely on her inappropriate death scene crashing and comments reported in the trial - that she had an unhealthy attraction to death and all the drama that accompanies it.
Totally agree. She was obsessive and I do believe she was self aware and knew that there was something wrong with her. Her notes sound like a cry for help to be stopped.
Also strange that she was a premature baby herself who was nursed in hospital. Awful really that she was saved and helped in hospital but she could not do the same for others.
There's no getting away from the fact that she could watch funerals coming and going from her windows.
@@TimewillTell1481They are a cry for help
For everything to stop
For things to go back to how they where
These where written after she was no longer working so in effect if she was killing these innocent children she had already been stopped
@@juliew1824Yes, of course because she didn't ever work, or sleep. Perfect lifestyle really, sat at home all day with binoculars & popcorn, watching funerals all day.
I think the interior of her home; speaks volumes about her state of mind !
I agree with you, it's a chaotic mess
@@jools726 She didn’t change anything. It is all so bland & basic. No ❤️
@lisaj3474 it's just the untidiness that I think shows how messed up her head was.
Yes. For me, it shows a very immature and empty mind. Her bedroom was like a stereotypical 12 year old girl's - cuddly toys, wall art that said trite things like "leave sparkles wherever you go", "a dream is a wish your heart makes" (Disney) and "shine bright like a diamond" (Rihanna lyric). A psychopath's idea of what a young woman is like (i.e., her mask) and zero personality. I had an abusive housemate who was similarly nothingy and vanilla - think pink mugs with hearts on them, thoughtless stereotypically girlie duvet covers, fairy lights, etc etc....
@@islandbreeze2631
" Vanilla " is sweet .
" Beige " suits better .. so bland that nothing stands out, certainly no sparkles ....
I think the motivation was jealousy and hatred of ordinary couples loving relationships and their beautiful babies .
It'd be interesting to find out did L.L. already know that she was infertile due to long term under-active thyroid problem .
Having the gall to eavesdrop then approach a new Mum, telling her not to get her hopes up too much, that her baby would survive, really takes the biscuit for viciousness .
The legacy media is absolutely useless. You, Sir, on the other hand, have done a marvellous job of journalism.
These random TH-camrs always do seem to have more information than the regular media, that's for sure. Quite a lot of the time they seem to have all sorts of interview footage and unreleased bodyworn etc. that the BBC never ran. How did they come by that and why did the mainstream media not broadcast it?
my thoughts exactly @@halfbakedproductions7887
@@halfbakedproductions7887 news media don't want people to know anything.
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How do you feel now about what you said one year ago?
I’m sorry I know I’ve said this multiple video comments, but I educate on a particular mental disorder ( RAD ). I agree with you that Lucy was likely leaving obvious clues on purpose. This would be a common behavior of someone suffering with RAD. This is a disorder that has varying levels of severity similar to autism. It also is always accompanied by other disorders or illnesses. Some who have it are overt and some are covert. Lucy is clearly covert… even so if she does have that disorder.. she would do or say things that are obvious. People in general will not say something because it feels uncomfortable or we know it will be denied. This is part of the game. They are fully aware of this, and use it to prove to themselves they are superior to others. They struggle with feeling “ less than” others, but also smarter, more clever or better than others. It is a difficult disorder to explain in text. Most people struggle to understand those who have it for years.
I rented a room in a townhouse backing directly onto a cemetery. Literally sit on the couch and drapes open and there were the headstones 10 feet away. At night when fog rolled in let's just say those drapes were closed.
🤣🤣🤣
I would rather live next to a cemetery rather than with the neighbors I have. They litter, play loud music, argue with one another, and don't clean up dog waste.
Haha. Yes - and encroach on parking spaces
I viewed a house backing onto a graveyard when I was househunting. It was selling at a good price because many people don't want to live so close to a graveyard. I didn't buy the house due to other issues, the graveyard didn't bother me. But that could be the reason Lucy bought the house...because it was cheap.
My house looks right into a graveyard and wasn't cheap,maybe she just liked the house itself, I love mine graveyard or no graveyard.
My parents owned a house next to a church which had a graveyard. It never felt creepy.
I know this is a stretch but the owls in her bedroom and the hospital could be related to Moloch the Owl deity to which child sacrifices were made in ancient times. I wonder if she had heard about that and found it funny.
Spot on! She is also 33 years old, a masonic number that appears frequently in murders cases. These sacrifices are ongoing to this day.
I absolutely love it that there are still some smart people on this earth who dig very deep like you guys do!!!! Sometimes I wonder if it's not too far fetched, but... in this world, nothing surprises me anymore
The judge stated he felt she is devious and cunning. A psychiatrist would say she has Machiavellian traits. I think she left the “new” clues purposefully. Did she enjoy the thrill of Hide and Seek as a child?
😂 oh ffs, get a grip.
@@shonabeggs4640 Buwahahaaaaaa😂
She describes herself as evil so ideally her idea of living next to a cemetery was to fulfil her twisted fantasies.
@@normankennith7919 'lynch mob' that will be you who came with no valid argument to change my mind but with personal attacks, you wont convince anyone with that silly attitude. Bye bot.
I would buy a house which had a garden that backed onto a cemetery. But I am an old goth and a taphophile, not a serial killer.
It wouldn't bother me, all that's there are dead bodies, it's not as if zombies exist.
There is a clone of letby in every TOWN AND EVERY CITY HOSPITAL IN THE UK , she just looks so normal, ifeel heartbroken for the babies parents, i can't stop thinking of this case. . . . . .
I saw that there was something odd about the interior of her home right away. Empty walls mostly and stuff piled up against walls in a careless fashion.
People who hurt babies are the worst of all monsters…
Butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
My concern is tgt Anyone showing a mere interest in these positions of authority; are not given 6 monthly cognitive testing.
I've observed many of my psychitric nurses failings put it tht way. Half of them have a god complex. Things I myself have endured and witnessed on wards is absolutely Insane. And when I as a adult speek up about these events they get brushed under the carpet.
Letby looks so unassuming; which is a big triggar for me.
My thoughts go out to all affected 😔
I understand what you mean, psychiatric nurses, especially in an inpatient setting display more negative psychological symptoms than the patients themselves. They barely conceal their hostility and rage. They despise their mental health in-patients. And when the psychiatrist does his rounds they're all sweet and supportive. Absolutely crazy set of medics that's for certain, I wouldn't trust them not to euthanise someone if they could get away with it.
1) CCTV
2) Two turned keys required 20 feet apart
3) No one allowed alone inside
Viz the owls, you obviously don't buy home ware very often, because every year it's a different trend. One year its llamas, the next year it's woodland creatures (foxes, hedgehogs etc). Owls and Russian dolls are only two of the ones in which countless fabrics were printed. Owls have been very popular lately and you cannot buy a canvas bag, or tea towel without seeing ones with owls on. So I don't really think that has much significance. Sorry.
I know that in the US homes built next to railroad tracks, facilities such as sanitation garages/parking areas, and similar potentially noisy or dangerous services and businesses will be cheaper than property distant from them. So perhaps property bordering cemeteries falls into the same category as being less costly due to the emotional nature of their existence. I imagine this holds true in other countries as well.
Why did her neighbours buy property next to a cemetery? Probably because they could afford the house? Maybe liked the property? Why did Letby? Probably because she could afford it (with parental help) and it was walking distance to work.
The owl in her home mirroring the one at work... that owl sticker/theme was really popular/common a couple of years ago, I see it everywhere. As you say, we don't know if she decorated that room or if it was like it when she moved in.
People are bored, they hang onto and analyse every detail and see things that arent they. Idiotic british public for you.
Exactly, we do know the owl mural was put up by the previous owners. Jon just didn't want to inform the loons. So made this video, knowing it would elicit more grotesque theories about her and her parents and friends.
Sounds like she enjoys taunting people. Hence, the notes left for the police and her sadistic playing with the parents' emotions. Sooo chilling.
Lucy may have purchased that particular house because it may have been more affordable on a single nurse's wages. I believe houses near a cemetery are harder to sell.
How can someone do this to newborn babies, I'm sorry but she makes me sick to my stomach
yes I feel sickened / so sad for the poor babies parents in each wicked death of thier little ones.... its awful!!!!!!
Seriously dude, living near a cemetry being any kind of evidence?
I had no idea that her backyard is pretty much a cemetery 😱!!!!!!! This and all of the new court documentation that finally became public, the witnesses, whistleblowers, the extremely negligence from its management of the Hospital to act when they should and knowing that there might be more victims of Lucy she Devil makes this even more morbid and sadistic in a way. Thanks for all your hardworking, I've been following this case through your videos from US.
It isnt. The Chester Millenium Greenway runs along the back of her house behind trees with trees on the other side of it and a fence both sides. The Crematorium garden is beyond that and you cannot see it well at all. The Greenway is more likely to be a selling point for walking dogs or cycling.
@@TotemCrowYou can't be coming here with facts and logic, these peeps need gore and wild imaginings'.
You are "Profilling" this nurse to explain her guilt. There are now more professional people looking at the evidence presented in court and doubting that the case against her has enough hard evidence to support your supposition here. Her defence lawyer seems to have done a poor job refuting the evidence presented by the other side giving mostly circumstantial evidence (no-one actually witnessed Lucy Letby committing these crimes she has been found guilty of). This is worrying in a legal system where guilt has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.