Secondary school was pretty good for me. Not great, but not terrible. I'd clean up with the ladies if I knew then what I know now. Ethically though if I was a millionaire adult in a kid's body dating a kid I think there'd be issues...
Yes! Other people dreamt about having to take exams again. I had nightmares about having to endure schooltime again because some administration found out I had skipped some lessons. That murderous boredom ...
Edward's literally the only Cullen who looks young enough to be in high school. The rest of the siblings are (supposed to be) 18-20, the dad is (supposed to be) 23, and the mom is (supposed to be) 26. They should all pretend to be in college; it's easier to believe they have one kid who just looks really young.
I read this and got so confused, I honestly forgot there were 4 books in the Twilight Saga. I can't for the life of me remember what happened in Eclipse...
@@airari24 I'm 110% Team Alice and...what's his face. Jasper? The actor is really great, I feel bad that he got stuck as the most awkward character in the series.
@@j1430 I’d take that a step further and say she was the only good character in the series. Well, one of them. I’d much rather a book about her tbh. A vampire who goes around seeking revenge on the men who wrong her? Yes please. Sad that happened to her though. :(
Most of the legitimate criticisms of twilight were from the later movies/books: The romanticization of codependency and also grooming implications(with Jacob). There’s genuine conversations warranted about that But most of the criticisms it got was “teen girls like stupid movies”
@@KatBlaque SPOILERS ALERT and alert for my broken english Jacob "imprints"(I don't know how to spells it), which is kinda of soulmate thing for werewolves, in Edward and Bella's daughter. The girl is actually half-vampire (and she has very difficult name to remember so I will refer to her as girl) she ages pretty fast because of it, Jacob get this whole magic bond thing as soon as the child is born. And the creep thing doesn't even end like that. Like there are all this very creep situations, Jacob interacting with her while she is a kid, given her stuff and looking with heart eyes to her. In the end of the last movie, the girl is still a child, but Edward and Jacob are talking while looking at Bella holding the girl and talking with Alice, the guys seems to getting a end of their hate relation and Jacob drops a line that is like "So can I call you father now?", Alice gets a vision of the girl(as an adult) kissing Jacob............ So grooming, you know
I get criticizing the fan base for it's low-key out of control behavior and toxicity. But like, their age and gender don't automatically make them "cringey". Because as someone who was a fan, they were a tad MUCH sometimes...
The Native American rep is absolute trash Stephanie Myers is wack for that. James was obsessed with Bella because he is a tracker and Edward's overbearing protective attitude "set" him off to make a game out of killing Bella.
not to mention in the books she says they keep their hair short for hunting reasons or whatever and its like. most first nations have long hair for spiritual reasons and theyre only cut in mourning. and when they did the movies they struggled to find any native actors to even play the roles cuz, yknow, they dont want to cut their hair?? literally 80% of the native related world building in this movie review made me really uncomfortable
I heard the Quileute people set up a whole website about their culture to help educate and debunk the shit and lies meyer spread about them... like it is THAT bad. Worst thing is this is a small tribe (I think there's around 730 people?) and so when they try to speak up about her racism either no one listens, or fans get mad. It's awful that she profited off of them, gave nothing back and didn't even apologize.
@@lutravurr But according to Lindsay it's totally okay, or worth overlooking, because people *only* hated it because people love to shit on things teenage girls like. (Although it sounds way more like projection from her getting upset that people are criticizing this thing she likes that's for teenage girls, and "people can like problematic things and shouldn't be canceled for it, so stop making me feel bad for liking trash" 🙄)
Just a minor mention: James isn't obsessed with Bella bc of her blood. He loves to hunt and the moment he realised Edward would do anything to protect Bella, it made Bella into the perfect prey since it would turn into a challenge. That's why he basically marked her. Also watching them play the baseball game he saw how quick Edward was which made it even more appealing to him. Hope this helps
Twilight if the protagonist was logical: -Met weird boy in class. He takes offense at really random stuff, like frogs, oookaaay. -I was walking somewhere and nearly got jumped by a gang but the weird boy jumped in to save me -he seems to have some sort of power over them, this gang of adults backs off against a single teen boy? -he claims "I knew what they were thinking"... how did he know that? -oh shit he's part of the gang that murdered someone -he keeps showing up in random places whenever I'm there -I think he's stalking me -I tell my police dad and gets sent back to Florida to stay with mum -the end.
logical approaches led to my little fandom-ness for *You’re Next* _oh look home intruders… if we get our hands on one don’t stop until you confirm he is dead. Do NOT hit once then run upstairs_
Bella is a lot worse in the books if you watch Dominic Noble's videos. She moves to Forks *because* her flake of a mother prioritizes her boyfriend over the well-being of her daughter, so Bella chooses to be a selfless martyr and move in with her dad so her mom can "be happy" and devote all her attention to her new boyfriend, and then proceeds to get mad at her father for... treating her like a father would treat their child (like he doesn't become smothering or shelter her, he just treats her like how she says her mom never did-- has her check in with him to make sure she's okay, tries to cook for her, and bond with her, and she reinterprets it to the reader as him treating her like a child), even internally berating him for getting her a car, because it's an old Ford pickup and he wants to make sure she's driving in a vehicle not made of aluminum that will get wrecked beyond reason if she gets in an accident.
@@zimzalabop8585 A baby, they knew nothing about. They didn’t know if the baby’s would survive long enough to be born or if it would die right after. They don’t know if it would be an immortal baby or child(which would be a cruel fate ). The whole thing should have been more complicated than it’s my baby, it must live. Angel (the vampire tv series), did the whole Vampire having a baby much better. His reactions made sense. Darla’a sacrifice made sense. Bella did not make sense.
@@shayla106 look, i'm a person who never wants kids and even I know bella's reaction is realistic. of course they know nothing about the baby but i guess once bella realized she was pregnant she wanted to give the baby as much chance as possible to live. we can agree to disagree but thats just my take on it.
Choices were made with this movie. I don't understand how you can take two very objectively cool people, Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart and just make them come across as massive dorks. It's amazing, I love it so much.
What's so funny to me is seeing how different they are when the focus of a scene isn't on them. It's like the director is GOING for awkward robot and when the director doesn't care and they're in the background of a shot they're allowed to act like people again.
like the film does better because it has the plot thread of the roaming vampires eating people from earlier whereas in the book they literally randomly show up with zero previous mention/foreshadowing?
@@ketrakrelek2347 Yes. The movies are significantly better than the books, and they still have plot issues. The last movie literally added a dream sequence because the end of the last nook is literally nothing. The "bad guys" (who really are just pissed that the Cullens are so cavalier about keeping their existence a secret, meaning the "bad guys" are actually reasonable) show up to take care of what they think is a vampire child, which is dangerous since vampire children as the strongest of all and impossible to keep under control, which is why it's forbidden to turn children into vampires. That would make the Cullens criminals in their world, if that's what they'd done. But when the "bad guys" get there, they find out the kid is a human/vampire hybrid, which is different. So the "bad guys" turn around and go home. I'm swear I'm not making up how anticlimactic that is. The movies literally had to add scenes for something to happen, and the last one was a dream sequence Alice showed the head "bad guy."
I thought Lorant, James, and Victoria were a thruple. And Lorant and James were having a lot of relationship issues with each other which is why Lorant warned the Cullens (to get back at his lover, James).
@@KatBlaque please watch them 😁 me and my girlfriend loved and enjoyed watching this super interesting and entertaining to watch you critique a movie we grew up watching lol
I just love it in a cult way I suppose, the funky baseball scene, “hold on tight spidermonkey”, “Bella we made italiano for you”, etc. but there’s definitely lots to criticize esp how meyer portrays the Quiletes, a real Native American tribe, as werewolves. While the vampires are sophisticated and sparkly, the werewolves are portrayed as animalistic and racialized. I don’t know why she couldn’t have wrote werewolves like the vampires: not related to a particular race. Plus Taylor Lautner is white. And if the Bella Edward age gap wasn’t enough, SPOILER AHEAD: Jacob ends up with Bella’s CHILD!
to me, the most offensive part of twilight is how Meyers dehumanized the entire Quileute tribe and bastardized their history and stories to make her sexy mormon vampire story, and hasn't bothered to give the tribe a single cent or shout out even as she made millions of dollars off of them.
Also, in 'defense' of the randomness of this vampire guy getting obsessed with her all of a sudden, from my recollection of the book we were told that the fact that they tell him "no you can't eat that human we like her" and just the fact that he couldn't have sth he wanted was the main reason he went after her. Not really because her blood was THAT irresistable.
I dont remember that they explained at any point that Bella has special blood, Edward likes it a lot, but that's it, she is just a random human for everybody else. James becomes obsessed with her just because she is protected by other vampires and therefore killing her is a challenge for him (he is a hunter).
They don't really say she's special but it seems like a lot of vampires think she smells extra tasty. I never thought it was anything beyond the protagonist of a YA romance being inherently more desirable than other girls
She was special. She natural had the ability mentally to block out intrusive psychic attacks. If you remember, Edward couldn't hear her. Which peaked his interest. That was her special ability
@@KatBlaque in the books is super relevant, since she's a "shield". She can not only block Edward's mind reading, but also Aro's and any other special vampy power that tries to mess with her mind! This is explained in the last book/ 2 last movies
Yup it is explained in the book that he is a hunter so the challenge of getting to a human who is protected by a group of vampires is a big challenge that would be attractive to him.
I was just a little too old for Twilight too, but managed to avoid being a jerk about it because in the middle of taking a lot of toxic relationship crit at face value I remembered how obsessed I was with Phantom of the Opera soooooooooooooo
James didn't go after bella because of her blood. He was a hunter going after the thrill of the chase. He went after bella because she was protected by other vampires and that made her interesting
I was big into Twilight when it first came out. I think I was like 12 when I read the first book, and 15 when the first movie was released. I really liked the premise of two people who had so many barriers to being together being drawn to each other anyway (yes, I was projecting bc I had a long-distance boyfriend who my parents hated!). Looking back on it as an adult, I can see what people are talking about when they complain about the unhealthy relationship dynamics. However, it just doesn't bother me that much. I know what healthy relationships look like because my parents modeled that for me. I didn't need YA books to teach how I should be treated or how I should treat others, and I think it would be pretty sad to say that teens build their entire moral foundation based on the media they consume. That said, others have pointed out that there's plenty of racism in the books as well, and I find that indefensible. tl;dr It was a fun book/movie for me as a kid, and while I find it kind of corny as an adult, I don't think it's so bad that no one should read it or anything.
I was 13 and was more interested in the fact it took place where I had family. As a series of books, I felt *at the least* that book 2 was a source of a lot of distaste and it was more in Bella's characterizing (and I was still that target age group when it came out). The first book was "ehhh?" I loved it as a 13 year old who didn't know much about romance other than media where obsessing over your crush was the standard behavior in media for that age group. I didn't have much in the way of understanding those kinds of feelings (later because I realized I wasn't broken, just somewhere on the ace spectrum so those kinds of feelings were alien to me), so media gave me a way to see, observe, and second/third-hand experience them. I remember being a little less endeared with the second book because I was like "Yeah, that sucks. You're like eighteen, and he's eight*y* or something, but while the world feels like it's ending elsewhere, it takes less time for most teens in these books to go all 'I'm on a quest to find myself because I don't need a man to define me!'" and I guess that wasn't the story. The book wasn't bad for the target audience, left stuff unanswered but was a complete enough story. I think the movie was made after the next two books came out, so they were teasing out for sequel movies. Also, yeah, romanticizing the stalking behaviors was a big concern to the slightly older me when the movie came out, and as a person with ties to Forks, a lot of my *person* hate is that Forks, Washington wasn't used (supposedly some of the high school was going to be used, and then wasn't in the movie so was just concept board pictures for set building) and how the Quileute were characterized. Oh! And the cult culture around the movies was *creepy!* My high school had the same mascot, so I wore one of my Dad's old Forks High School shirts to school for School Spirit Day, and people were like "OMG *can I touch your shiiiiiirrrrrt?" Kinda wish I knew then that my personal space is mine and that I could tell *those* people to keep their hands to themselves. (No groping, just ... really awkward emotions)
I’m so glad you knew what a healthy relationship looks like. But i think what people were concerned about were young girls who didn’t have healthy relationship models. People who didn’t have anyone to model what healthy looks like, so the fantasies they played in their head were validated as normal and healthy by media like this movie/book series.
i don't really have a good example on healthy relationships well that isn't quite true, but when it comes to my parents I don't, and the things I read tbh don't show that always (my fault for reading such things). so I can see why some teens base their ideas on what they see in media. because they don't have a real-life example, especially if it isn't your own parents.
@@terry-o-brian4333 I acknowledge that not everyone necessarily has access to healthy relationship models. I think the solution to this is mandatory, comprehensive $-x education in schools that goes beyond mere mechanics and discusses the components of healthy relationships and techniques for recognizing red flags. The minute we try to frame media with a target audience of anyone over the age of 8 as some kind of instruction manual for life, we have already lost. No TV show, book, or movie is ever going to influence kids more than authority figures (this can be parents, but also teachers, religious leaders, coaches etc) or even peers. If we're actually concerned about kids/teen and not just posturing for internet clout, we should try the most direct approach instead of worrying about whether media *might* be a negative influence. **censored word in case youtube decides my comment is too scandalous
A significant number of fans thought these relationships were healthy because of the societal reinforcement that they were romantic, and a significant number of fans did have unhealthy relationships that they thought were okay because they had similar elements to the books. Peer pressure is a very real issue, and it can be stronger than parental modeling. You aren't a cross section. You claim you were unaffected, but that's probably revisionist memory. If you read the books and thought they were romantic, then you, at least for a time, thought the relationships were fine and what happened was fine. You may have seen the issues before dating, or been lucky and just never had a significant other like Edward, but that doesn't mean that you didn't absorb some of it at least for a while. I was an adult when the first book came out (I've always, and still love, reading a lot of teen and kid fiction since it's generally entertaining fluff while adult stuff is often so serious), and I personally witnessed teens truly wanting to find boyfriends like Edward because the message that he was so ideal and romantic was reinforced to them. Sadly, I also knew a couple teen boys who were upset because they thought they needed to act like Edward to catch the interest of girls they were interested in, and they didn't want to do that. Worse, it did reach a point in many cases where kind, sweet boys were ignored for not belong enough like Edward.
''edward cullen is sensitive, and there's basically a montage, of.... that.'' PLS i really love your movie reviews! either movies that i absolutely despise without even seeing it (365 days) or movies that i recognize are not Good but i also Like (twilight lmao). i hope you continue doing them, as long as you still have fun!! xoxo
Yes, Forks is a very real town in Washington. Fun fact about them is this summer the whole town was ready to fight a bus load of ANTIFA that had rolled in, but it turned out to be a mixed race family stopping in town on their remodeled bus🤷🏽♀️
I just read the Wired article on it. Holeee Shiiiit. I’d be avoiding that town. Not that I’d get anywhere near it to begin with- I’m Australian and not a fan of Twilight. Though honestly, I’d be avoiding the US entirely. That’s a scary country.
(Edit: I found the referenced Wired article, and it's far too kid to the neo-nazis involved who terrorized the family. ) My daughter's friend's father works for the state parks service, and he was in that area. The full story is absolutely horrible, not at all funny. I haven't read articles about it since I got what happened straight from someone who was there and in a position of authority. The family went into the forest in their bus, and they were chased out by neo-nazis who'd cut down some trees t block the way out. Thank the gods for some not-asshole teens with chain saws who intervened and saws the trees up so the family could leave. Despite the good people who are there, Forks has horrifyingly deeply entrenched racism of the sort you don't expect outside of the deep south or Oregon (Oregon is the only state to have had a blanket ban on black people even passing through, and there were more KKK members there than there ever were in the south). All racism is awful, but when a VERY recent event sounds like the setup for a literal horror movie...
One of things that made her “special” besides her crazy enticing scent, was the fact that she was the ONLY human whose mind he couldn’t read. So I think that was the catalyst to his obsession with her. Loved this movie as a kid! Also the purple looks banging on you!!
But... why was *she* like that tho? Both her parents were perfectly ordinary people... Is there an actual explanation about why not only that but she's kind of inmune to other vampire's powers... while also being like SUUUUPER YUMMY and special? And if there is, it better not be something stupid like "because she puts out walls and is afraid to open up to others" or something like that.
@@wandanemer2630 the scent I have no idea, in the later books *spoiler* After she turns she finds out she’s a “shield” which is why most others powers had no effect on her. And as a vamp she could project that to protect people other than herself. And I believe in the last book(?) she learns to sorta project it so Edward can finally read her mind and whatevs.
@@wandanemer2630 I imagine most people have some special thing when they turn? Cuz Edward can read minds and is especially fast. And all the others have some sort of powers too it seems. And I imagine as a human he would’ve been ordinary as well.
@@wandanemer2630 In the Midnight Sun (twilight from Edward's POV) he struggles to read Charlie (her dad's) mind as well, implying that her mind shielding his hereditary.
Hating these books and movies was a whole genre on youtube at one point! Looking back on the actual material, I agree with you that it's not that bad. Maybe we've seen so much worse in the past 12 years, so this movie looks better in comparison? I would love to see your reviews of the sequels
Oh yeah I definitely agree with that point. Circa 50 shades book.. clear cut abuse, yikes. (The 50 shades movie was a lot better, to be fair but the book... bruh)
I kinda disagree. The first one isn't that bad the other 3 get really bad. Literally no one cares about Bella's consent not even here cop dad, Edward and Bella's are so codependent that they basically fall apart whenever they aren't in the same room, and the child grooming is just horrific. But the thing that is really despicable about these books is the target audience. They are meant for 13 year olds that don't know that Edward basically checks every box on is my partner abusive lists except hitting her. When you romanticize abuse to children how can you expect them to not to mirror that behavior later in life. 50 shades and 365 are deplorable but at least adults are more likely to be able to label it as abuse.
@@glitterberserker1029 true, the plot gets a lot more disturbing in the sequels. I honestly barely remember everything between the beginning of the first book and the end of the last 😅
@@anastasiaalieva I'm the opposite, embarrassingly. I got twilight when it first came out and read all of the books repeatedly. I'm basically a twilight stans worst nightmare. Not only do I have actual psychopathy on my side but I can basically quote the book verbatim and it's almost impossible for them to pull anything over on me. That being said I hated the movies because they weren't just the book read aloud lol. I think I only watched the first one until fairly recently.
I can agree on the thing that 50 Shades of Horror Movie, After and 365 Days are so horrible they make Twilight look good by comparison... But the Twilight saga DOES have some serious issues, and not just for being a teenage romance.
I'm not exactly a twilight scholar-I've only seen this movie a single time after being wrangled into it by friends and couldn't even get through the first book when it came out in my country-but as far as I'm aquainted with the first part of the series, it really went downhill for me after the build-up. Until watching this video I genuinely didn't remember anything after the beach party thing and thought that was where the movie ended, haha. I do remember liking how the movie looked, but I didn't remember it being _this_ green, looking that flat nor having so many awkward slo-mo shots. I guess I've just seen more examples of better cinematography over the years. Kind of like 80% of the shows I used to love as a kid are pretty bad when compared to many of today's kid's shows. Unrelated tangent, but your makeup looks beautiful!
yknow when these movies came out i was definitely on the bandwagon of people who just hated them, but i never even really watched them. on reflection, i dont think theyre really as terrible as their reputation, even if they are kinda corny. theyre at least better than some of the other things thatve popped up in their wake, like 50 shades and by extension 365 days. also that nicolas cage bit got me good lmao
Tbh, Twilight is still a huge nostalgia series for me and I love it. Its not because the movie's are GOOD, I cringe and laugh watching it like the rest but it takes me back to a simpler time.
Cinema Therapy actually dove deeper into what makes Twilight so toxic. One example they focused on is that when Edward tells Bella that he has killed people and that she should be afraid, Bella just says, “I trust you.” I mean, it may be for teenage girls but teenagers are gullible and could apply these moments to real life (ex: trusting someone they believe they can “change,” although that person has explicitly confessed that they did something deplorable.)
I will forever be grateful to this movie for making me realise I'm a lesbian while replaying the scenes with Victoria in it because I "liked the character"
Oh gods I remember how much I liked Victoria when I watched this as a teen (and how sad I was when they recast her with Bryce Dallas Howard portraying her as timid and insecure instead of a badass), but it took another 10 years for me to realize I've always been bi. Now, looking back at all the movies and shows I watched as a kid, it's SO BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS. That's the result of bi-erasure, y'all. Because I remember at one point thinking "could this mean I'm lesbian? Nah, I'm still interested in men as well so that can't be it. It must just be because women are evolutionarily meant to be more visually appealing or smth." It wasn't until my early twenties when I met bisexual people and realized that that was what I had been feeling all along. Like, the shot of Anna Kendrick sunbathing on the picnic table in a very well-shaped top, or the way her bust looked when going to the mall for dress shopping? Goodness. And I never had a clue. XD
*the fact I know that the 'werewolves' aren't actually werewolves but are, in fact, shapeshifters is very telling on how much I used to obsess over this*
I was like 13 when this came out and I was literally so obsessed 😂 its so funny looking back now that the thought of being with a vampire made me feel some type of way, like girl, just wait till you grow up and it all starts making sense 😂
I'm not ashamed to admit that I am a 42 year old woman and I love Twilight. I know how ridiculous it is but I cant help it. I love the books and the movies.
Fun fact, re: age gap. In the later books (and movies) the lore establishes that vampires are frozen at the mental age at which they're turned. It's outlawed to turn a child, because they can't control their own thirst/behavior and will never grow up or learn to control themselves. One story Bella learns is of vampires who turned a toddler, which then went on to slaughter an entire village by himself. Vampire cops killed the kid and the mom who turned him as punishment + cleanup. (Definition/cutoff of "child" is hella fuzzy, and the vampire cops definitely abuse their own rules, but that's a separate thing.)
New Moon is where the series gets more and more upsetting with regards to the relationships. Bella is abusive, Edward is abusive, Jakob is abusive, and a lot of really interesting stuff happens in the background but doesn’t get explored because the lens is tight focused on the love triangle
One thing that doesnt really bother me is the age difference, because it was established that the transformation to a vampire entirely halts any bodily changes. For example, vampire children will remain children forever. So, Edward will always have the brain development of a 17 year old boy. Still kinda weird, but was my justification for it in the past.
Agreed. I don’t think it works really well because even if your brain halted development, a teen that experiences more than the average person (in this case over a centuries worth) would still change a lot and mature at a younger age even if their brain couldn’t physically change the way adulthood causes. But still, as a legal adult now I definitely wouldn’t feel comfortable dating someone who looks and has the brain development level of a 17 year old even knowing they’re over 100, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect them to stay celibate for essentially eternity. So I guess ideally you date another vampire, but if you can’t another teen is the best alternative? Idk she could have so easily just not written such a questionable premise lmao
I feel like this is a complicated issue because no one really has 17 year old brain for decades at a time and it's also kind of a nature vs nurture argument, like how much of "the state of being 17" is attributed to having the biology of a 17 year old and how much is attributed to having the experience of a 17 year old. tbh it's hard to be sure but considering how close he is to adulthood I don't know that there was that much more extra changes he had to go through and I don't know that I would excuse or downplay anything he does because he "has a 17 year old brain". Personally I tend to lean more towards maturity and personal growth having more to do with our experiences than it does our brain physically aging, at least at young adult level. Children, especially prepubescent children are a different story though.
@@Wuffskers Like you said no one has been through this experience so we can’t really know the details, but as far as the “nature vs nurture” thing we do have concrete scientific evidence that the biology of our brain is different and has some affect on maturity until the age of 24 for most people, which is actually far off from 17. To be fair though, I don’t even know if a healthy, fully formed brain would be able to process multiple centuries worth of memories/information, I don’t know if human brains have a sort of limit on information it can store but I feel like an overload of experience/information that comes with living multiple lifetimes would cause some damage? Like I said in my other comment, frankly Stephanie Meyer probably could and should have chosen a less questionable premise
I truly never even thoyght about any of those things. When I read a book or watch a movie I just kinda fall into the fantasy of it all. Things like plot holes or most inappropriate things dont register to me.
Your criticism of the movie plot and pacing would be the same for the first book. A lot of time was spent on building up the interactions between Bella, Edward and, to a lesser extent, the townfolk and the tribe. The 'bad guy vampires' felt like an afterthought.
I think in a later book they mention that Bella’s blood is great only for Edward and that James had some backstory with Alice that gets a line of dialogue and is then dropped and he’s mainly doing this for kicks because Edward’s face pissed him off
Honestly why can't we get any movies or shows based on supernatural but realistic gay/lesbian romance between characters without it being overly saturated and targeted towards heterosexuals who fetishize gay/lesbian presenting relationships and interactions.
My concerns are abuse and glorifying abusive relationship: he desires to eat her, he's openly concerned he will hurt her via his urges, he stalks her, breaks into her home, he's much much older than her, he encourages her to distance herself from friends and family, also to lie to friends and family. I think these movies are okay for adults aware of these issues, but not for teennagers.
I like how down to earth you're describing this plot when it's so ridiculous. XD Also if I saw Carlyle (think that's his name? the dad) walk in as my doctor I would immediately wanna nope out of there real quick. Dude looks like a vampire.
Well you're right, the problem with a lot of criticisms of the stalk-y, boundary-stomping aspects of this series is that Bella was really into Edward and wanted him to be obsessed with her. When you were fifteen you just dreamed that your crush would be thinking about you/obsessed with you/show up at your house/rescue you from people that made you uncomfortable. It's escapism, in real life that would be really scary because the odds of it being completely reciprocal and wanted are really low. In the "adult" books, the main character keeps telling the men to stop and they won't. Pretty sure in Twilight it's always consensual. (I was also too old and never read these, but I thought the criticisms were really out of line in a lot of ways.)
imo the reason twilight isn't as viscerally horrific as 365 & 50 shades comes down to both of those being "AU: what if twilight wasn't written by a mormon woman..."
There is this theory that Bella is not after Edward, but this immortality. Edward is just her opportunity to get that eternal youth. That's why she's so obsessive, doesn't shy away from him even though he's dangerous and [spoiler] is super crushed, when he leaves. It was explained better where I read it at Dominic Nobles Channel, but I really like the idea and hope I could convey the gist of it.
I was definitely older than the intended demographic, both for the books and movie, and I have had zero interest in Twilight. I do enjoy seeing other people review it though 😉 Even beyond my age, I had already gone through my vampire fantasies with Bram Stoker's Dracula (rare movie > book) and Interview with a Vampire. I devoured Anne Rice books at a pretty young age. When Twilight came out, I was just meh, been there done that. I hope your eye feels better, Kat!
James was so obsessed with Bella because she had a family of vampires protecting her and he had never seen that before. He wanted her for the challenge of getting through a group of such strong vampires, it was thrilling to him.
From my understanding, James isn't especially interested in Bella due to her blood (as it's mainly Edward who finds her blood especially delicious, not everyone), but it's "the game" to him: the moment he realised she was off-limits to him, she became what he wanted most.
Someone paid me in-game currency to read the first chapter of Twilight. God, that was a long first chapter. I don't even remember what happened for most of the movies other than vampiric shininess. And vampires breaking like porcelain when they get killed.
The end freaks me out, when her mother says, “oh, honey, he hasn’t left your side! And you fell down the stairs and broke your arm!” It sounds so much like a coverup for relationship violence.
I'm ex-Mormon, but I was in the church when these movies came out, and I remember going with my mom and all the Mormon moms and their daughters to see these movies when they premiered. So funny to think back about that now.
26:30 He's not only in a teenage boy's body, he also has a teenage mind. Like, his whole person stopped at the age of 17... That's why Bella is so anxious when she turns 18 (in the next book i think), she doesn't wanna be must older than him. It's explained in the books
I think an important part of why the books are heavily criticized (far beyond just "it's a teen girl thing") is the fact that Edward is emotionally abusive, especially in the sequels, but is framed as a normal romantic hero. Not to mention it as a story is often deeply racist (basically all of the major characters of color turn into literal animals and have difficulty controlling their ~violent outbursts~) and misogynistic. I think a lot can b said about how those issues can be found running rampant in romance and media as a whole and are not isolated to this one story, but I think it bears examining in part Because this particular story is so popular.
best hair-eyeliner-lipstick combo EVER! you look AMAZING! also, as far as twilight goes, for me even though twilight is "the least creepy" of the 3 (even though still too creepy) it is the worst! because, twilight is targeted towards teenage unexperienced still growing kids! the other 2 are adult films... yes, still amazingly toxic and bad, but they are targeted towards grown up people who can maybe see the flaws. or at least they can recognize the flaws more that teens can recognize them...
I know theres a TON to dislike about twilight, and i see those criticisms and don't excuse them, but i really enjoy these movies, and the books, i love bellward's love and all the vampire and werewolf clans and tribes. Its just so much fun to watch and I love the characterizations. Ik it's hated on a lot but I just can't help but totally love the series.
twilight its so fuuuun to watch since it was a guilty pleasure and I couldn't enjoy as a teen when these movies came out bc all the hate it had, I now realize everything wrong with it, and bring awareness to those topics, but... it's really comforting watching this type of movies that are soo bad that they're soooo gooood
I love your makeup! I haven't seen or read it before, but as a teen girl, the implications that we're not smart or that media which appeals to us is going to be toxic or bad because we lack interpersonal intelligence doesn't sit right with me :/
As far as I remember from the books, James' special ability entails him being an exceptionally good hunter, with him never losing a trail or something like that. The point of him hunting Bella was more of him missing the challenge of a good hunt - the protectiveness of the Cullen being the incentive - rather than Bella smelling particularly good. Which, in the end, is that much better? About this sleeping thing. Super creepy, but in the books at least it turns into this "at least come in when I'm awake and don't be creepy" kind of thing, where she actually confronts him about it. As far as I remember. The books also get severely critizised, not just because if the plot. I don't know if it is just my memory, or the German translators doing a really good job, but I don't remember it being that bad. I found Bella to be quite witty and sarcastic at times, which was fun and sadly got lost in the movie. The last book creeped me out a bit though. I never watched all the movies, as I don't like watching movies I have read the books for, but I feel quite nostalgic about the story I've come to realize. I think it's nice to hear someone talk critically about it, but in a respectful manner. The critique is valid after all. Great video!
“The other two movies” Kat, there’s FOUR. But yes I would like you to watch them 😂 I just watched all the movies for the first time last Sunday and I’m definitely team Bella getting away from both men and finding someone who respects her and what she wants
Just before this video I randomly decided to marathon Twilight hoping for some "Funny-Bad" moments, some "Well that's actually not that bad" moments... But no, it was just bad and I stopped at the paper cut scene in the 2nd one. That scene broke me.
I loved twilight when i was younger. I was definitely in high school when it came out. I agree with the seeing the reasons why it would appeall to teenage girls aspect. Now I may see more clearly that Edward is creepy and some problematic aspects of the story, and this probably is controversial but without all the creepy and problematic bits? I think there is at least somewhat of a good stury there. Another not great thing about the story is this very "I can't live without him and can't enjoy a single thing in my life" thing that comes in later books.
Ive Never watched the other movies, never read the books, but being a former teenager, Bella being "Special" in the way that all the vampires find her tasty is something that would have appealed to me as a teen. I loved having everyone desire me in fanfiction, movies, etc. because I'm "special" and "different" and i feel like that is appealing for most teenage girls
As much as I dislike the books, I do think Bella's a very interesting character in them. She's really funny and clever. I think Bella was honestly depressed and wanted to be a teenager forever with Edward because she had to grow up fast. Her mom was reckless and irresponsible, and her dad didn't know her very well since she was taken away from him. It's said in the books that Bella cooks for Charlie, and back in Phoenix she would buy groceries and pay the bills for Renee. And she never holds it against them, even though she should. She just wants to be a teenager but doesn't know how to be, so it makes sense why she would want to be with Edward. It's really sad.
I'm not gonna lie, as someone who is into BDSM but not as a lifestyle, I legit thought the eyepatch was just a BDSM thing lol.. You could have tricked vanillas and the rest of your non-BDSM-lifestyle-wise-only-in-the-bedroom fans into thinking it was a BDSM style lmao!
I was a 12 year old in 2007 when Twilight started taking off. I’d already had a massive Phantom of the Opera phase so I ate Twilight up immediately. My sister who was 26 and had three kids introduced me to the books. (So I’d say the audience for Twilight is for teens and moms) I think I really got attached to them because there was a boy in the grade older than me I had a crush on that fit into Edwards description in the books. He had coppery Bieber hair, was tall, kind of a mysterious bad boy and he came from the rich family of my small town. I’d even have dreams about him being a vampire. So honestly I think that’s why Twilight is loved by teenagers. It’s pretty easy to be self indulgent with them. I remember the premiere for the first film and squealing over it with my friends after we got home to have a sleepover. It was fun. Looking back at it now I recognize all of its hokey angles and I always disliked how Stephanie Meyer portrayed indigenous people. Also the pacing in the film is spot on with the pacing in the book. 😂😅 You should continue to watch the series though. You’ll find more ick things that have a lot to do with racism against indigenous people in the later films. It’s not great. 😬 But definitely content to discuss!
I was a teen when this movie came out and I remember seeing more teachers with this book than teens. This may have been seen as typical teen girl thoughts where you grew up but it wasn't like that where I grew up. This book had fans but a lot of girls at my school didn't like it or were indifferent. White teen girls were the ones making fun of it the most at my school because they were mostly the ones that read it.
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imagine turning immortal for your high school boyfriend and being stuck with him for eternity, yikes
Literally trapped with that narcessist for all of eternity!? 😱 *shudder*
@@themaggattack yep. In fairness though, I feel that Bella is also rather narcissistic too. So they're a match
😂😂😂 sounds terrible
13 year old me: That's so romantic!
Me now: Girl, *run*.
To be fair, at 15 that sounds like a total dream.
Having to go back to highschool is the worst nightmare I can imagine.
Over and over and over again!!
Secondary school was pretty good for me. Not great, but not terrible. I'd clean up with the ladies if I knew then what I know now. Ethically though if I was a millionaire adult in a kid's body dating a kid I think there'd be issues...
Yes! Other people dreamt about having to take exams again. I had nightmares about having to endure schooltime again because some administration found out I had skipped some lessons. That murderous boredom ...
And I keep HAVING that very nightmare 😰🤣
Edward's literally the only Cullen who looks young enough to be in high school. The rest of the siblings are (supposed to be) 18-20, the dad is (supposed to be) 23, and the mom is (supposed to be) 26. They should all pretend to be in college; it's easier to believe they have one kid who just looks really young.
"Save your pirate jokes for the comment section."
If we don't, are you going to make us walk the plank?
HAHAHAH
😂😂
Lmao!
Spank us with a plank
I've been informed that there are 4 more movies and.... I didn't know I was signing up for that lol
Omg the editing issue in this video :/
I read this and got so confused, I honestly forgot there were 4 books in the Twilight Saga. I can't for the life of me remember what happened in Eclipse...
@@AngelMercury There are three books and four movies (the last one was split into two) well not including Edward's new book that just came out...
@@larkscall8590 Twilight, New Moon, Eclipse, Breaking Dawn (pt1 &2), Midnight Sun (Edward POV)
@@AngelMercury Oh! Right! I totally spaced that... there are so many of them-
Team Rosalie!
she was the only good cullen in my opinion
@@j1430 Alice?
@@airari24 I'm 110% Team Alice and...what's his face. Jasper? The actor is really great, I feel bad that he got stuck as the most awkward character in the series.
@@j1430 I’d take that a step further and say she was the only good character in the series. Well, one of them. I’d much rather a book about her tbh. A vampire who goes around seeking revenge on the men who wrong her? Yes please. Sad that happened to her though. :(
Team Dakota Fanning when she threw that baby in the fire
“The twilight trilogy” oh girl there are FOUR more of these movies 😂
Wait really??? Lol
@@KatBlaque yep 😂 there are 4 books and they split the last one into two 💀
Cute kitty!
@@Thepurrletarian she says thank you 😸
😂
Most of the legitimate criticisms of twilight were from the later movies/books: The romanticization of codependency and also grooming implications(with Jacob). There’s genuine conversations warranted about that
But most of the criticisms it got was “teen girls like stupid movies”
See now I have to watch all of the movies just to understand that angle
@@KatBlaque basically what happens is he falls in love (“imprints on”) Edward and bella’s infant child.
Am I the only person who thinks it's funny that the dog is accused of grooming the human? Anyone anyone? I'll be here all night.
@@KatBlaque
SPOILERS ALERT and alert for my broken english
Jacob "imprints"(I don't know how to spells it), which is kinda of soulmate thing for werewolves, in Edward and Bella's daughter. The girl is actually half-vampire (and she has very difficult name to remember so I will refer to her as girl) she ages pretty fast because of it, Jacob get this whole magic bond thing as soon as the child is born. And the creep thing doesn't even end like that. Like there are all this very creep situations, Jacob interacting with her while she is a kid, given her stuff and looking with heart eyes to her. In the end of the last movie, the girl is still a child, but Edward and Jacob are talking while looking at Bella holding the girl and talking with Alice, the guys seems to getting a end of their hate relation and Jacob drops a line that is like "So can I call you father now?", Alice gets a vision of the girl(as an adult) kissing Jacob............ So grooming, you know
I get criticizing the fan base for it's low-key out of control behavior and toxicity. But like, their age and gender don't automatically make them "cringey".
Because as someone who was a fan, they were a tad MUCH sometimes...
The one dislike is from the pirate that is offended by your cultural appropriation
Lmaoo
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Shiver me timbers
What makes Kat a good Demogirl!?
@@albertgarrett4273 what?
The story takes place in rural Washington, so it should be, "Shiver me Timberlands." 😏
"Save all your pirate jokes to the comment section"
Me: Yaharg?
The Native American rep is absolute trash Stephanie Myers is wack for that.
James was obsessed with Bella because he is a tracker and Edward's overbearing protective attitude "set" him off to make a game out of killing Bella.
not to mention in the books she says they keep their hair short for hunting reasons or whatever and its like. most first nations have long hair for spiritual reasons and theyre only cut in mourning. and when they did the movies they struggled to find any native actors to even play the roles cuz, yknow, they dont want to cut their hair??
literally 80% of the native related world building in this movie review made me really uncomfortable
She isn’t “Wack” she’s racist.
@@boybriar thats what they said
I heard the Quileute people set up a whole website about their culture to help educate and debunk the shit and lies meyer spread about them... like it is THAT bad. Worst thing is this is a small tribe (I think there's around 730 people?) and so when they try to speak up about her racism either no one listens, or fans get mad. It's awful that she profited off of them, gave nothing back and didn't even apologize.
@@lutravurr But according to Lindsay it's totally okay, or worth overlooking, because people *only* hated it because people love to shit on things teenage girls like. (Although it sounds way more like projection from her getting upset that people are criticizing this thing she likes that's for teenage girls, and "people can like problematic things and shouldn't be canceled for it, so stop making me feel bad for liking trash" 🙄)
Just a minor mention: James isn't obsessed with Bella bc of her blood. He loves to hunt and the moment he realised Edward would do anything to protect Bella, it made Bella into the perfect prey since it would turn into a challenge. That's why he basically marked her. Also watching them play the baseball game he saw how quick Edward was which made it even more appealing to him. Hope this helps
Twilight if the protagonist was logical:
-Met weird boy in class. He takes offense at really random stuff, like frogs, oookaaay.
-I was walking somewhere and nearly got jumped by a gang but the weird boy jumped in to save me
-he seems to have some sort of power over them, this gang of adults backs off against a single teen boy?
-he claims "I knew what they were thinking"... how did he know that?
-oh shit he's part of the gang that murdered someone
-he keeps showing up in random places whenever I'm there
-I think he's stalking me
-I tell my police dad and gets sent back to Florida to stay with mum
-the end.
The editor: sequels are all the rage, we need to rethink this
logical approaches led to my little fandom-ness for *You’re Next*
_oh look home intruders… if we get our hands on one don’t stop until you confirm he is dead. Do NOT hit once then run upstairs_
*sent back to Arizona
@@DavyHulme Nah, it was definitely Myers.
Bella is a lot worse in the books if you watch Dominic Noble's videos. She moves to Forks *because* her flake of a mother prioritizes her boyfriend over the well-being of her daughter, so Bella chooses to be a selfless martyr and move in with her dad so her mom can "be happy" and devote all her attention to her new boyfriend, and then proceeds to get mad at her father for... treating her like a father would treat their child (like he doesn't become smothering or shelter her, he just treats her like how she says her mom never did-- has her check in with him to make sure she's okay, tries to cook for her, and bond with her, and she reinterprets it to the reader as him treating her like a child), even internally berating him for getting her a car, because it's an old Ford pickup and he wants to make sure she's driving in a vehicle not made of aluminum that will get wrecked beyond reason if she gets in an accident.
Did you...pirate the movie?
Hahahah I paid for it and my algorithm won't let me live it down
@@KatBlaque Love when my mistakes follow me around the youtube algorithm for and age and a half
When you learn Meyer is Mormon the entire story suddenly starts to make sense. lol especially Bella’s intense belief that abortion is always wrong.
I wouldn't call it intense belief, id say once she felt her baby, she didn't wanna give it up.
@@zimzalabop8585 A baby, they knew nothing about. They didn’t know if the baby’s would survive long enough to be born or if it would die right after. They don’t know if it would be an immortal baby or child(which would be a cruel fate ). The whole thing should have been more complicated than it’s my baby, it must live. Angel (the vampire tv series), did the whole Vampire having a baby much better. His reactions made sense. Darla’a sacrifice made sense. Bella did not make sense.
@@shayla106 look, i'm a person who never wants kids and even I know bella's reaction is realistic. of course they know nothing about the baby but i guess once bella realized she was pregnant she wanted to give the baby as much chance as possible to live. we can agree to disagree but thats just my take on it.
Choices were made with this movie. I don't understand how you can take two very objectively cool people, Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart and just make them come across as massive dorks. It's amazing, I love it so much.
In the new book Midnight Sun it reveals that Edward is a massive dork xDDD
this
What's so funny to me is seeing how different they are when the focus of a scene isn't on them. It's like the director is GOING for awkward robot and when the director doesn't care and they're in the background of a shot they're allowed to act like people again.
The fucking 50% opacity plastic vampire teeth chattering gag SENDING ME great review probably my fav Twilight react/dissection
The pacing of the book is that Bella has banal school days for 350 pages and then she finds out Edward is a vampire and the book ends in like 75 pages
Hahah so it's pretty canon then??
@@KatBlaque it's very faithful adaptation in that sense lol
like the film does better because it has the plot thread of the roaming vampires eating people from earlier whereas in the book they literally randomly show up with zero previous mention/foreshadowing?
@@ketrakrelek2347 Yes. The movies are significantly better than the books, and they still have plot issues. The last movie literally added a dream sequence because the end of the last nook is literally nothing. The "bad guys" (who really are just pissed that the Cullens are so cavalier about keeping their existence a secret, meaning the "bad guys" are actually reasonable) show up to take care of what they think is a vampire child, which is dangerous since vampire children as the strongest of all and impossible to keep under control, which is why it's forbidden to turn children into vampires. That would make the Cullens criminals in their world, if that's what they'd done. But when the "bad guys" get there, they find out the kid is a human/vampire hybrid, which is different. So the "bad guys" turn around and go home. I'm swear I'm not making up how anticlimactic that is. The movies literally had to add scenes for something to happen, and the last one was a dream sequence Alice showed the head "bad guy."
YOUR SCREENSHOTS 😭😭😭 the biology class scene w Bella’s face
I thought Lorant, James, and Victoria were a thruple. And Lorant and James were having a lot of relationship issues with each other which is why Lorant warned the Cullens (to get back at his lover, James).
I hope that's canon because that's hot
@@KatBlaque omg you noticed me! 😱
in Meyer's Mormon household?! I think not!
@@cocolime6496 yeah but she also wrote a rapey teen love story about hellbeasts (Twilight saga)...
That is now canon and no one can stop us!
I love how Kat has set herself up for just watching a trilogy when there's like 5 movies... the gift that keeps on giving!
Hahaha I shoulda known better
Lol
"Let me know if you want me to watch the other two movies"
Who's gonna tell her??????? 😂
I was just informed there are...4 more movies lol
@@KatBlaque good luck girl 😂
@@KatBlaque please watch them 😁 me and my girlfriend loved and enjoyed watching this super interesting and entertaining to watch you critique a movie we grew up watching lol
@@KatBlaque FOUR books, FIVE movies. 😂
I CANNOT WAIT for Kat's take on Jacob's " You CAN"T HAVE S3X WITH HER! YOU WILL KILL HER" moment
I just love it in a cult way I suppose, the funky baseball scene, “hold on tight spidermonkey”, “Bella we made italiano for you”, etc. but there’s definitely lots to criticize esp how meyer portrays the Quiletes, a real Native American tribe, as werewolves. While the vampires are sophisticated and sparkly, the werewolves are portrayed as animalistic and racialized. I don’t know why she couldn’t have wrote werewolves like the vampires: not related to a particular race. Plus Taylor Lautner is white. And if the Bella Edward age gap wasn’t enough, SPOILER AHEAD: Jacob ends up with Bella’s CHILD!
@@samerafleek9645 he has very minimal indigenous blood in him wow
@@alice73333 honestly if any... sooo many white people claim indigenous blood that isn't there.
@@samerafleek9645 So you also agree he's white lol
@@alice73333 yeah I looked it up and you're totally right.
It's important to remember that Lautner's "distant" "Native ancestry" has never been substantiated or claimed by the Nations in question.
“So romantical” had me dying 😂. Gotta love it when that hot guy your dating breaks into your house and watches you sleep for like months...
to me, the most offensive part of twilight is how Meyers dehumanized the entire Quileute tribe and bastardized their history and stories to make her sexy mormon vampire story, and hasn't bothered to give the tribe a single cent or shout out even as she made millions of dollars off of them.
Also, in 'defense' of the randomness of this vampire guy getting obsessed with her all of a sudden, from my recollection of the book we were told that the fact that they tell him "no you can't eat that human we like her" and just the fact that he couldn't have sth he wanted was the main reason he went after her. Not really because her blood was THAT irresistable.
That’s not true?
Yes it is - James just likes a challenge, the fact that the Cullens were protecting her made it interesting
I dont remember that they explained at any point that Bella has special blood, Edward likes it a lot, but that's it, she is just a random human for everybody else. James becomes obsessed with her just because she is protected by other vampires and therefore killing her is a challenge for him (he is a hunter).
They don't really say she's special but it seems like a lot of vampires think she smells extra tasty. I never thought it was anything beyond the protagonist of a YA romance being inherently more desirable than other girls
She was special. She natural had the ability mentally to block out intrusive psychic attacks.
If you remember, Edward couldn't hear her. Which peaked his interest. That was her special ability
But I'm.wonder how relevant that is. It seems like most vampires in this universe can't read minds???
@@KatBlaque in the books is super relevant, since she's a "shield". She can not only block Edward's mind reading, but also Aro's and any other special vampy power that tries to mess with her mind! This is explained in the last book/ 2 last movies
Yup it is explained in the book that he is a hunter so the challenge of getting to a human who is protected by a group of vampires is a big challenge that would be attractive to him.
I was just a little too old for Twilight too, but managed to avoid being a jerk about it because in the middle of taking a lot of toxic relationship crit at face value I remembered how obsessed I was with Phantom of the Opera soooooooooooooo
Lol same tbh
Ooff.
James didn't go after bella because of her blood. He was a hunter going after the thrill of the chase. He went after bella because she was protected by other vampires and that made her interesting
I was big into Twilight when it first came out. I think I was like 12 when I read the first book, and 15 when the first movie was released. I really liked the premise of two people who had so many barriers to being together being drawn to each other anyway (yes, I was projecting bc I had a long-distance boyfriend who my parents hated!). Looking back on it as an adult, I can see what people are talking about when they complain about the unhealthy relationship dynamics. However, it just doesn't bother me that much. I know what healthy relationships look like because my parents modeled that for me. I didn't need YA books to teach how I should be treated or how I should treat others, and I think it would be pretty sad to say that teens build their entire moral foundation based on the media they consume.
That said, others have pointed out that there's plenty of racism in the books as well, and I find that indefensible.
tl;dr It was a fun book/movie for me as a kid, and while I find it kind of corny as an adult, I don't think it's so bad that no one should read it or anything.
I was 13 and was more interested in the fact it took place where I had family. As a series of books, I felt *at the least* that book 2 was a source of a lot of distaste and it was more in Bella's characterizing (and I was still that target age group when it came out). The first book was "ehhh?" I loved it as a 13 year old who didn't know much about romance other than media where obsessing over your crush was the standard behavior in media for that age group. I didn't have much in the way of understanding those kinds of feelings (later because I realized I wasn't broken, just somewhere on the ace spectrum so those kinds of feelings were alien to me), so media gave me a way to see, observe, and second/third-hand experience them.
I remember being a little less endeared with the second book because I was like "Yeah, that sucks. You're like eighteen, and he's eight*y* or something, but while the world feels like it's ending elsewhere, it takes less time for most teens in these books to go all 'I'm on a quest to find myself because I don't need a man to define me!'" and I guess that wasn't the story.
The book wasn't bad for the target audience, left stuff unanswered but was a complete enough story. I think the movie was made after the next two books came out, so they were teasing out for sequel movies.
Also, yeah, romanticizing the stalking behaviors was a big concern to the slightly older me when the movie came out, and as a person with ties to Forks, a lot of my *person* hate is that Forks, Washington wasn't used (supposedly some of the high school was going to be used, and then wasn't in the movie so was just concept board pictures for set building) and how the Quileute were characterized.
Oh! And the cult culture around the movies was *creepy!* My high school had the same mascot, so I wore one of my Dad's old Forks High School shirts to school for School Spirit Day, and people were like "OMG *can I touch your shiiiiiirrrrrt?"
Kinda wish I knew then that my personal space is mine and that I could tell *those* people to keep their hands to themselves. (No groping, just ... really awkward emotions)
I’m so glad you knew what a healthy relationship looks like. But i think what people were concerned about were young girls who didn’t have healthy relationship models. People who didn’t have anyone to model what healthy looks like, so the fantasies they played in their head were validated as normal and healthy by media like this movie/book series.
i don't really have a good example on healthy relationships well that isn't quite true, but when it comes to my parents I don't, and the things I read tbh don't show that always (my fault for reading such things). so I can see why some teens base their ideas on what they see in media. because they don't have a real-life example, especially if it isn't your own parents.
@@terry-o-brian4333 I acknowledge that not everyone necessarily has access to healthy relationship models. I think the solution to this is mandatory, comprehensive $-x education in schools that goes beyond mere mechanics and discusses the components of healthy relationships and techniques for recognizing red flags. The minute we try to frame media with a target audience of anyone over the age of 8 as some kind of instruction manual for life, we have already lost. No TV show, book, or movie is ever going to influence kids more than authority figures (this can be parents, but also teachers, religious leaders, coaches etc) or even peers. If we're actually concerned about kids/teen and not just posturing for internet clout, we should try the most direct approach instead of worrying about whether media *might* be a negative influence.
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A significant number of fans thought these relationships were healthy because of the societal reinforcement that they were romantic, and a significant number of fans did have unhealthy relationships that they thought were okay because they had similar elements to the books. Peer pressure is a very real issue, and it can be stronger than parental modeling. You aren't a cross section. You claim you were unaffected, but that's probably revisionist memory. If you read the books and thought they were romantic, then you, at least for a time, thought the relationships were fine and what happened was fine. You may have seen the issues before dating, or been lucky and just never had a significant other like Edward, but that doesn't mean that you didn't absorb some of it at least for a while. I was an adult when the first book came out (I've always, and still love, reading a lot of teen and kid fiction since it's generally entertaining fluff while adult stuff is often so serious), and I personally witnessed teens truly wanting to find boyfriends like Edward because the message that he was so ideal and romantic was reinforced to them. Sadly, I also knew a couple teen boys who were upset because they thought they needed to act like Edward to catch the interest of girls they were interested in, and they didn't want to do that. Worse, it did reach a point in many cases where kind, sweet boys were ignored for not belong enough like Edward.
''edward cullen is sensitive, and there's basically a montage, of.... that.'' PLS
i really love your movie reviews! either movies that i absolutely despise without even seeing it (365 days) or movies that i recognize are not Good but i also Like (twilight lmao). i hope you continue doing them, as long as you still have fun!! xoxo
My husband said "it's good that she's watching Twilight with an eye patch because there's not a lot of depth to perceive" XD har har
Okay but why do you actually pull off the eye patch look. All it needs is leather and swarovski crystals✨
Yes, Forks is a very real town in Washington. Fun fact about them is this summer the whole town was ready to fight a bus load of ANTIFA that had rolled in, but it turned out to be a mixed race family stopping in town on their remodeled bus🤷🏽♀️
I remember reading about that! I felt so bad for that family. All because of intentional misinformation that was posted online.
I just read the Wired article on it. Holeee Shiiiit.
I’d be avoiding that town. Not that I’d get anywhere near it to begin with- I’m Australian and not a fan of Twilight. Though honestly, I’d be avoiding the US entirely. That’s a scary country.
@@katherinemorelle7115 yeah the US is a big pile o garbo. Calling it a steaming pile would be an insult to steaming piles o garbo lol
(Edit: I found the referenced Wired article, and it's far too kid to the neo-nazis involved who terrorized the family. )
My daughter's friend's father works for the state parks service, and he was in that area. The full story is absolutely horrible, not at all funny. I haven't read articles about it since I got what happened straight from someone who was there and in a position of authority. The family went into the forest in their bus, and they were chased out by neo-nazis who'd cut down some trees t block the way out. Thank the gods for some not-asshole teens with chain saws who intervened and saws the trees up so the family could leave.
Despite the good people who are there, Forks has horrifyingly deeply entrenched racism of the sort you don't expect outside of the deep south or Oregon (Oregon is the only state to have had a blanket ban on black people even passing through, and there were more KKK members there than there ever were in the south). All racism is awful, but when a VERY recent event sounds like the setup for a literal horror movie...
😫 of course
The fade in pictures of vampires and werewolves lol 😂
One of things that made her “special” besides her crazy enticing scent, was the fact that she was the ONLY human whose mind he couldn’t read. So I think that was the catalyst to his obsession with her. Loved this movie as a kid! Also the purple looks banging on you!!
But... why was *she* like that tho?
Both her parents were perfectly ordinary people... Is there an actual explanation about why not only that but she's kind of inmune to other vampire's powers... while also being like SUUUUPER YUMMY and special?
And if there is, it better not be something stupid like "because she puts out walls and is afraid to open up to others" or something like that.
@@wandanemer2630 the scent I have no idea, in the later books *spoiler*
After she turns she finds out she’s a “shield” which is why most others powers had no effect on her. And as a vamp she could project that to protect people other than herself. And I believe in the last book(?) she learns to sorta project it so Edward can finally read her mind and whatevs.
@@wandanemer2630 I imagine most people have some special thing when they turn? Cuz Edward can read minds and is especially fast. And all the others have some sort of powers too it seems. And I imagine as a human he would’ve been ordinary as well.
@@wandanemer2630 In the Midnight Sun (twilight from Edward's POV) he struggles to read Charlie (her dad's) mind as well, implying that her mind shielding his hereditary.
I really didn’t like how Bella treated her father throughout the series. That man’s patience is strong.
This is what the internet in 2021 needed, more Twilight hot takes.
Hating these books and movies was a whole genre on youtube at one point! Looking back on the actual material, I agree with you that it's not that bad. Maybe we've seen so much worse in the past 12 years, so this movie looks better in comparison? I would love to see your reviews of the sequels
Oh yeah I definitely agree with that point. Circa 50 shades book.. clear cut abuse, yikes. (The 50 shades movie was a lot better, to be fair but the book... bruh)
I kinda disagree. The first one isn't that bad the other 3 get really bad. Literally no one cares about Bella's consent not even here cop dad, Edward and Bella's are so codependent that they basically fall apart whenever they aren't in the same room, and the child grooming is just horrific. But the thing that is really despicable about these books is the target audience. They are meant for 13 year olds that don't know that Edward basically checks every box on is my partner abusive lists except hitting her. When you romanticize abuse to children how can you expect them to not to mirror that behavior later in life. 50 shades and 365 are deplorable but at least adults are more likely to be able to label it as abuse.
@@glitterberserker1029 true, the plot gets a lot more disturbing in the sequels. I honestly barely remember everything between the beginning of the first book and the end of the last 😅
@@anastasiaalieva I'm the opposite, embarrassingly. I got twilight when it first came out and read all of the books repeatedly. I'm basically a twilight stans worst nightmare. Not only do I have actual psychopathy on my side but I can basically quote the book verbatim and it's almost impossible for them to pull anything over on me. That being said I hated the movies because they weren't just the book read aloud lol. I think I only watched the first one until fairly recently.
I can agree on the thing that 50 Shades of Horror Movie, After and 365 Days are so horrible they make Twilight look good by comparison...
But the Twilight saga DOES have some serious issues, and not just for being a teenage romance.
I'm not exactly a twilight scholar-I've only seen this movie a single time after being wrangled into it by friends and couldn't even get through the first book when it came out in my country-but as far as I'm aquainted with the first part of the series, it really went downhill for me after the build-up. Until watching this video I genuinely didn't remember anything after the beach party thing and thought that was where the movie ended, haha.
I do remember liking how the movie looked, but I didn't remember it being _this_ green, looking that flat nor having so many awkward slo-mo shots. I guess I've just seen more examples of better cinematography over the years. Kind of like 80% of the shows I used to love as a kid are pretty bad when compared to many of today's kid's shows.
Unrelated tangent, but your makeup looks beautiful!
Yes! Its a very green movie
yeah, the entire film has a filter over it lmao
yknow when these movies came out i was definitely on the bandwagon of people who just hated them, but i never even really watched them. on reflection, i dont think theyre really as terrible as their reputation, even if they are kinda corny. theyre at least better than some of the other things thatve popped up in their wake, like 50 shades and by extension 365 days. also that nicolas cage bit got me good lmao
Tbh, Twilight is still a huge nostalgia series for me and I love it. Its not because the movie's are GOOD, I cringe and laugh watching it like the rest but it takes me back to a simpler time.
Thank you for putting it into words!
Cinema Therapy actually dove deeper into what makes Twilight so toxic. One example they focused on is that when Edward tells Bella that he has killed people and that she should be afraid, Bella just says, “I trust you.”
I mean, it may be for teenage girls but teenagers are gullible and could apply these moments to real life (ex: trusting someone they believe they can “change,” although that person has explicitly confessed that they did something deplorable.)
I will forever be grateful to this movie for making me realise I'm a lesbian while replaying the scenes with Victoria in it because I "liked the character"
Oh gods I remember how much I liked Victoria when I watched this as a teen (and how sad I was when they recast her with Bryce Dallas Howard portraying her as timid and insecure instead of a badass), but it took another 10 years for me to realize I've always been bi. Now, looking back at all the movies and shows I watched as a kid, it's SO BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS. That's the result of bi-erasure, y'all. Because I remember at one point thinking "could this mean I'm lesbian? Nah, I'm still interested in men as well so that can't be it. It must just be because women are evolutionarily meant to be more visually appealing or smth." It wasn't until my early twenties when I met bisexual people and realized that that was what I had been feeling all along.
Like, the shot of Anna Kendrick sunbathing on the picnic table in a very well-shaped top, or the way her bust looked when going to the mall for dress shopping? Goodness. And I never had a clue. XD
*the fact I know that the 'werewolves' aren't actually werewolves but are, in fact, shapeshifters is very telling on how much I used to obsess over this*
How are always getting in to trouble vis-à-vis the pirate aesthetic. Get better soon, girl 😩
I was like 13 when this came out and I was literally so obsessed 😂 its so funny looking back now that the thought of being with a vampire made me feel some type of way, like girl, just wait till you grow up and it all starts making sense 😂
I'm not ashamed to admit that I am a 42 year old woman and I love Twilight. I know how ridiculous it is but I cant help it. I love the books and the movies.
You like what you like it's cute 🥰
Fun fact, re: age gap. In the later books (and movies) the lore establishes that vampires are frozen at the mental age at which they're turned. It's outlawed to turn a child, because they can't control their own thirst/behavior and will never grow up or learn to control themselves. One story Bella learns is of vampires who turned a toddler, which then went on to slaughter an entire village by himself. Vampire cops killed the kid and the mom who turned him as punishment + cleanup. (Definition/cutoff of "child" is hella fuzzy, and the vampire cops definitely abuse their own rules, but that's a separate thing.)
"I'm wearing an eyepatch, please save your pirate jokes for the comments section."
♥♥ *Yarrrr, this still be a better love story than Twilight.* ♥♥
New Moon is where the series gets more and more upsetting with regards to the relationships. Bella is abusive, Edward is abusive, Jakob is abusive, and a lot of really interesting stuff happens in the background but doesn’t get explored because the lens is tight focused on the love triangle
Kat always has the best braid colors. Kat Blaque makeup pallets based on her braids when?
One thing that doesnt really bother me is the age difference, because it was established that the transformation to a vampire entirely halts any bodily changes. For example, vampire children will remain children forever. So, Edward will always have the brain development of a 17 year old boy. Still kinda weird, but was my justification for it in the past.
+1
Agreed. I don’t think it works really well because even if your brain halted development, a teen that experiences more than the average person (in this case over a centuries worth) would still change a lot and mature at a younger age even if their brain couldn’t physically change the way adulthood causes. But still, as a legal adult now I definitely wouldn’t feel comfortable dating someone who looks and has the brain development level of a 17 year old even knowing they’re over 100, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect them to stay celibate for essentially eternity. So I guess ideally you date another vampire, but if you can’t another teen is the best alternative? Idk she could have so easily just not written such a questionable premise lmao
I feel like this is a complicated issue because no one really has 17 year old brain for decades at a time and it's also kind of a nature vs nurture argument, like how much of "the state of being 17" is attributed to having the biology of a 17 year old and how much is attributed to having the experience of a 17 year old. tbh it's hard to be sure but considering how close he is to adulthood I don't know that there was that much more extra changes he had to go through and I don't know that I would excuse or downplay anything he does because he "has a 17 year old brain". Personally I tend to lean more towards maturity and personal growth having more to do with our experiences than it does our brain physically aging, at least at young adult level. Children, especially prepubescent children are a different story though.
@@Wuffskers Like you said no one has been through this experience so we can’t really know the details, but as far as the “nature vs nurture” thing we do have concrete scientific evidence that the biology of our brain is different and has some affect on maturity until the age of 24 for most people, which is actually far off from 17. To be fair though, I don’t even know if a healthy, fully formed brain would be able to process multiple centuries worth of memories/information, I don’t know if human brains have a sort of limit on information it can store but I feel like an overload of experience/information that comes with living multiple lifetimes would cause some damage? Like I said in my other comment, frankly Stephanie Meyer probably could and should have chosen a less questionable premise
I truly never even thoyght about any of those things. When I read a book or watch a movie I just kinda fall into the fantasy of it all. Things like plot holes or most inappropriate things dont register to me.
Your criticism of the movie plot and pacing would be the same for the first book. A lot of time was spent on building up the interactions between Bella, Edward and, to a lesser extent, the townfolk and the tribe. The 'bad guy vampires' felt like an afterthought.
I think in a later book they mention that Bella’s blood is great only for Edward and that James had some backstory with Alice that gets a line of dialogue and is then dropped and he’s mainly doing this for kicks because Edward’s face pissed him off
Honestly why can't we get any movies or shows based on supernatural but realistic gay/lesbian romance between characters without it being overly saturated and targeted towards heterosexuals who fetishize gay/lesbian presenting relationships and interactions.
There's also the Carmilla web series! It's on TH-cam!
Looking for this but for a dark skinned straight black woman. We are never seen either , always represented by biracial actresses
Well, yes. I'm all for it. But besides the supernatural what does that have to do with Twilight?
The ultimate crossover: Kat and Twilight
The “I wonder why that is” edits are sending me 😂😂😂
Me too 🤣🤣🤣
My concerns are abuse and glorifying abusive relationship: he desires to eat her, he's openly concerned he will hurt her via his urges, he stalks her, breaks into her home, he's much much older than her, he encourages her to distance herself from friends and family, also to lie to friends and family. I think these movies are okay for adults aware of these issues, but not for teennagers.
I like how down to earth you're describing this plot when it's so ridiculous. XD Also if I saw Carlyle (think that's his name? the dad) walk in as my doctor I would immediately wanna nope out of there real quick. Dude looks like a vampire.
everytime the vampire gif pops up, it takes me tf OUT
love your sense of comedic timing
Well you're right, the problem with a lot of criticisms of the stalk-y, boundary-stomping aspects of this series is that Bella was really into Edward and wanted him to be obsessed with her. When you were fifteen you just dreamed that your crush would be thinking about you/obsessed with you/show up at your house/rescue you from people that made you uncomfortable. It's escapism, in real life that would be really scary because the odds of it being completely reciprocal and wanted are really low. In the "adult" books, the main character keeps telling the men to stop and they won't. Pretty sure in Twilight it's always consensual. (I was also too old and never read these, but I thought the criticisms were really out of line in a lot of ways.)
imo the reason twilight isn't as viscerally horrific as 365 & 50 shades comes down to both of those being "AU: what if twilight wasn't written by a mormon woman..."
I’m here for these twilight reacts . I’m sorry to hear about your eye.
I thought you were getting back into the pirate attire
There is this theory that Bella is not after Edward, but this immortality. Edward is just her opportunity to get that eternal youth. That's why she's so obsessive, doesn't shy away from him even though he's dangerous and [spoiler] is super crushed, when he leaves.
It was explained better where I read it at Dominic Nobles Channel, but I really like the idea and hope I could convey the gist of it.
Yay my favorite pirate queen posted again!!!
13:39 He basically says he wants to eat her, but not in the way she wants.
I was definitely older than the intended demographic, both for the books and movie, and I have had zero interest in Twilight. I do enjoy seeing other people review it though 😉
Even beyond my age, I had already gone through my vampire fantasies with Bram Stoker's Dracula (rare movie > book) and Interview with a Vampire. I devoured Anne Rice books at a pretty young age.
When Twilight came out, I was just meh, been there done that.
I hope your eye feels better, Kat!
Your retelling of the plot was much more entertaining then the movie itself lol 10/10.
James was so obsessed with Bella because she had a family of vampires protecting her and he had never seen that before. He wanted her for the challenge of getting through a group of such strong vampires, it was thrilling to him.
From my understanding, James isn't especially interested in Bella due to her blood (as it's mainly Edward who finds her blood especially delicious, not everyone), but it's "the game" to him: the moment he realised she was off-limits to him, she became what he wanted most.
Someone paid me in-game currency to read the first chapter of Twilight. God, that was a long first chapter. I don't even remember what happened for most of the movies other than vampiric shininess. And vampires breaking like porcelain when they get killed.
The end freaks me out, when her mother says, “oh, honey, he hasn’t left your side! And you fell down the stairs and broke your arm!” It sounds so much like a coverup for relationship violence.
I'm ex-Mormon, but I was in the church when these movies came out, and I remember going with my mom and all the Mormon moms and their daughters to see these movies when they premiered. So funny to think back about that now.
His face when she walks in the door 😂 stinky Bella!!!! 😂😂
Can’t believe teenage me thought multiple guys liking and stalking someone they liked was cool 🤦🏻♀️
26:30 He's not only in a teenage boy's body, he also has a teenage mind. Like, his whole person stopped at the age of 17... That's why Bella is so anxious when she turns 18 (in the next book i think), she doesn't wanna be must older than him.
It's explained in the books
Ok so I got a heart under my comment but I made a ttpo and edited it and now the heart is gone:(
Me when I look for booty in the wrong places...
Hahaha
I don't get it:(
@@antonizajkowski9698 Because of Kat’s eyepatch lol
I think an important part of why the books are heavily criticized (far beyond just "it's a teen girl thing") is the fact that Edward is emotionally abusive, especially in the sequels, but is framed as a normal romantic hero. Not to mention it as a story is often deeply racist (basically all of the major characters of color turn into literal animals and have difficulty controlling their ~violent outbursts~) and misogynistic. I think a lot can b said about how those issues can be found running rampant in romance and media as a whole and are not isolated to this one story, but I think it bears examining in part Because this particular story is so popular.
Lol I need a dub of Edward saying "are you lost baby girl" like Massimo 🤣
Why would you speak that into existence? 😭
I really liked Twilight because of the way it was filmed and the music.
best hair-eyeliner-lipstick combo EVER! you look AMAZING!
also, as far as twilight goes, for me even though twilight is "the least creepy" of the 3 (even though still too creepy) it is the worst! because, twilight is targeted towards teenage unexperienced still growing kids! the other 2 are adult films... yes, still amazingly toxic and bad, but they are targeted towards grown up people who can maybe see the flaws. or at least they can recognize the flaws more that teens can recognize them...
I know theres a TON to dislike about twilight, and i see those criticisms and don't excuse them, but i really enjoy these movies, and the books, i love bellward's love and all the vampire and werewolf clans and tribes. Its just so much fun to watch and I love the characterizations. Ik it's hated on a lot but I just can't help but totally love the series.
I'm gonna be honest-if I touch a boy's hands and they're ice cold, I'd assume he's anemic.
I know it’s silly, but I love the movie. Very atmospheric, the characters are very likeable if we ignore the problematic parts.
The eyepatch is giving Madame X. And people say Madonna has no impact.
twilight its so fuuuun to watch since it was a guilty pleasure and I couldn't enjoy as a teen when these movies came out bc all the hate it had, I now realize everything wrong with it, and bring awareness to those topics, but... it's really comforting watching this type of movies that are soo bad that they're soooo gooood
I love your makeup! I haven't seen or read it before, but as a teen girl, the implications that we're not smart or that media which appeals to us is going to be toxic or bad because we lack interpersonal intelligence doesn't sit right with me :/
As far as I remember from the books, James' special ability entails him being an exceptionally good hunter, with him never losing a trail or something like that. The point of him hunting Bella was more of him missing the challenge of a good hunt - the protectiveness of the Cullen being the incentive - rather than Bella smelling particularly good. Which, in the end, is that much better?
About this sleeping thing. Super creepy, but in the books at least it turns into this "at least come in when I'm awake and don't be creepy" kind of thing, where she actually confronts him about it. As far as I remember.
The books also get severely critizised, not just because if the plot. I don't know if it is just my memory, or the German translators doing a really good job, but I don't remember it being that bad. I found Bella to be quite witty and sarcastic at times, which was fun and sadly got lost in the movie. The last book creeped me out a bit though.
I never watched all the movies, as I don't like watching movies I have read the books for, but I feel quite nostalgic about the story I've come to realize. I think it's nice to hear someone talk critically about it, but in a respectful manner. The critique is valid after all. Great video!
“The other two movies” Kat, there’s FOUR. But yes I would like you to watch them 😂 I just watched all the movies for the first time last Sunday and I’m definitely team Bella getting away from both men and finding someone who respects her and what she wants
Bella + Alice when?
Just before this video I randomly decided to marathon Twilight hoping for some "Funny-Bad" moments, some "Well that's actually not that bad" moments... But no, it was just bad and I stopped at the paper cut scene in the 2nd one. That scene broke me.
I loved twilight when i was younger. I was definitely in high school when it came out. I agree with the seeing the reasons why it would appeall to teenage girls aspect. Now I may see more clearly that Edward is creepy and some problematic aspects of the story, and this probably is controversial but without all the creepy and problematic bits? I think there is at least somewhat of a good stury there.
Another not great thing about the story is this very "I can't live without him and can't enjoy a single thing in my life" thing that comes in later books.
Ive Never watched the other movies, never read the books, but being a former teenager, Bella being "Special" in the way that all the vampires find her tasty is something that would have appealed to me as a teen. I loved having everyone desire me in fanfiction, movies, etc. because I'm "special" and "different" and i feel like that is appealing for most teenage girls
I’d be very interested in seeing you review all the next movies for both Twilight and Fifty Shades
As much as I dislike the books, I do think Bella's a very interesting character in them. She's really funny and clever. I think Bella was honestly depressed and wanted to be a teenager forever with Edward because she had to grow up fast. Her mom was reckless and irresponsible, and her dad didn't know her very well since she was taken away from him. It's said in the books that Bella cooks for Charlie, and back in Phoenix she would buy groceries and pay the bills for Renee. And she never holds it against them, even though she should. She just wants to be a teenager but doesn't know how to be, so it makes sense why she would want to be with Edward. It's really sad.
I'm not gonna lie, as someone who is into BDSM but not as a lifestyle, I legit thought the eyepatch was just a BDSM thing lol..
You could have tricked vanillas and the rest of your non-BDSM-lifestyle-wise-only-in-the-bedroom fans into thinking it was a BDSM style lmao!
I was a 12 year old in 2007 when Twilight started taking off. I’d already had a massive Phantom of the Opera phase so I ate Twilight up immediately. My sister who was 26 and had three kids introduced me to the books. (So I’d say the audience for Twilight is for teens and moms)
I think I really got attached to them because there was a boy in the grade older than me I had a crush on that fit into Edwards description in the books. He had coppery Bieber hair, was tall, kind of a mysterious bad boy and he came from the rich family of my small town. I’d even have dreams about him being a vampire. So honestly I think that’s why Twilight is loved by teenagers. It’s pretty easy to be self indulgent with them. I remember the premiere for the first film and squealing over it with my friends after we got home to have a sleepover. It was fun. Looking back at it now I recognize all of its hokey angles and I always disliked how Stephanie Meyer portrayed indigenous people. Also the pacing in the film is spot on with the pacing in the book. 😂😅 You should continue to watch the series though. You’ll find more ick things that have a lot to do with racism against indigenous people in the later films. It’s not great. 😬 But definitely content to discuss!
Did you know that Edward apparently broke into Bella's room with a bottle of WD40 in order to not make the window squeak?
6:04 I will never forget that one tumblr post that said Edward looks like a mad guardian Angel 😂
I was a teen when this movie came out and I remember seeing more teachers with this book than teens. This may have been seen as typical teen girl thoughts where you grew up but it wasn't like that where I grew up. This book had fans but a lot of girls at my school didn't like it or were indifferent. White teen girls were the ones making fun of it the most at my school because they were mostly the ones that read it.