I'm from Massachusetts so I grew up a die hard Celtics fan so obviously I'm a Bird fan. MJ has often said LB taught him how to get into people's heads which was a great compliment from the GOAT😊
I feel so lucky having seen Mike on TV. Never got to see him play live because, every time the Bulls came to Sac the game was sold out before the season even started and my dad said it was way too expensive to get tickets. We saw a lot of other teams that came thru but it was an event if Mike came to your town. The Kings weren't good back then so, there were a lot of games where we'd get way up seats for like 5 bucks but, when Mike came to your city, it was a moment in history!
I saw him from the cheapest seat near the rafters against the Pistons before he became the God of Basketball in his 3rd year of NBA. That is all that I could afford. He appeared like a toy down there on the court but still amazing.
@@NateHall-np8qvthat was after Magic beat him in the finals…MJ was still a one man show and hadn’t won yet. When you asked Larry when they were on the Dream Team in the twilight of his career who was the best it was MJ. And Magic said the same thing
Mike Was Cold!!!! You Had To See It In Real Time To Really See How Hard This Brother Played The Game. These Highlights Don't Do Him Any Justice Trust Me. Real Time The Brother Was Cold!!!!!
@@NateHall-np8qv Magic wasn't in the 86 championship, he was in the 87 championship, and Bird didn't tell his mother that, he said it in the post game press conference. Bird also said that Jordan was "God, disguised as a basketball player". That quote was from the 86 playoffs, when Jordan dropped 63 on Boston... and still lost.
What was the quote from Pat Riley "If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I'd choose Michael Jordan. But if I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd choose Larry Bird.". Or something like that. 🎤
I met him once in N.C everyone i where I was working had warned us of even speaking to him I happened to be using the service evaluator when him and his wife abd body guard got on with me the body guard stuck his head in and locked around and I was like what's up and he didn't say anything but held the door then the two of them stepped in and everyone was quiet I wasn't raised like that so I spoke to them all I didn't ask for anything from them and they didn't ask me for anything either ! I treat famous people just like they are just people because that's what they are to me just people!
@@OldDog-se9ev I get his point though. The title of the video and the content are entirely different. Bird’s “God disguised as Michael Jordon” quote is given, but there’s nothing about how Jordan reacted (or didn’t) to it. We basically have a 19 minute Jordan video and the content indicated by the title is maybe 10 seconds of it.
Kenny Smith was just lucky enough to be on Teams that Won Titles.! You dont remember games where he actually contributed to those games. John Sally the same way..🤷🏾😀
A bunch of championships against no great teams. I would chose , Wilt Chamberlain, Bird, Magic, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Dr J then Jordan. I have seen them all play many times in person. Any 76rers, Celtics, Lakers teams in 1962-1972 or in the 80s would have easily handled the Bulls teams of the ninties. The Bulls we more even with even with the Shack Kobe Lakers. Both of those teams had two great players in the hall of fame on each team. The Lakers and Celtics of say the 80s had 5 hall of fame players on each team to give you an idea of the mismatch that would have been.
@donaldgreer5527 tho I started watching late 80s, I know all what you're saying. Lakers, blazers,suns,sonics,jazz are all worthy of being champs but we're denied. You've seen multiple 50 and 60 win teams in the 90s such as knocks, heat, Indiana,spurs ect which are no pushovers so so each team that comes out by the end were never just a cake walk. Bottom line is he dominated his era and the way he won those rings is what made him the consensus choice of being considered the goat. Each of us has their own but we can't change what the majority says. Tbh bird is my no 1 dude of all time then comes chuck, Ewing and grant hill follows as may favorites but for goat, I have to accept mj as one followed by bird and Kareem. That's my 1,2,3 and anyone can be 4 with magic,bill,wilt,Tim,Kobe. As I said mj stays for a very long time and any narrative out there won't change anything
Bill Russell was the greatest basketball winner. Kareem was number 2. Magic Johnson number 3, Curry or LeBron could compete for the next spot. Larry Bird number 5
Jordan daddy didnt die he was just reach his peak when he left and daddy died.🤔 if jordan daddy didnt die how good this man would've been and I agree hakeem was a beast he in my top 5 i pick over lebron any day.
It’s hard to compare players. I never saw Wilt,but he had a 60” vertical and could bench press 500 pounds. The best I’ve ever seen was MJ,Kobe,Bird,Olajuwon,curry,Pippen,Barkley,magic,McGrady and Penny along with Shaq,but he could shoot free throws,Kareem,Moses Malone,Durant,Luka,Reggie Miller,Malone and Stockton,A Iverson. David Robinson and Tim Duncan,Ginobli,Dirk. There have been a lot of great players. Jordan and Kobe were just different. Major scorers. Best defenders Scottie Pippen,Jordan,Olajuwon,Cooper
People on here arguing about who was the best Larry Bird said Magic Johnson was the best I repeat Larry Bird said Magic Johnson was the best the best ever
Dude Jordan got stomped by Bird, swept twice in playoffs. Despite a 63 game Jordan still lost. Even in 88, Jordan's best year - he got beat 4 - 1 by Celtics
Really pippen I watched all of the bulls games the only person who changed and grew was mj. You of all people should know how hard he trained. You should be honored you had the opportunity to play with him and have 6 trophy's. You're a great player but you're not mj. Kobe comes in second bless his soul .
And Pippen wouldn’t have done anything without Jordan. Jordan could have went to any other team in contention and they would have been favored to win it all. Pippen could have went elsewhere and would have been watching Jordan and the bulls continue to win it all. Also let’s not act like Jordan didn’t play a role in helping mold Pippen into the player he ultimately became.
Jordan might have been the most exciting but if you know any NBA history, Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT. Don’t take my word for it, Bill Russell stated it in an interview several years ago.
Who was better Larry or Michael? This is a question of skills,who was more impactful with their great talents? I give Michael the edge. In this category Lebron over Wilt.
Not Just the Best in NBA ... but ALSO the first EVER why still in college that BEAT nba BEST all ⭐⭐⭐ TEAM ... that im PROMISE ,it wont BE Another College BASKETBALL player that can BEAT nba BEST all ⭐⭐⭐ TEAM ever AGAIN... %💯 REAL ... 👍👍👍
Larry just being humble , Jordan couldn't win until Larry retired 😅... Your lucky Larry legend came into the league with mangled hands ....then nursed a broken back for most of career.... And had major surgery on both archiles... m.th-cam.com/video/y8zNJFd3Gvo/w-d-xo.html&si=0wIeR2focrjRafb8
nobodys word cant change the fact MJ is GOAT , we saw it in actions i not interested in words coz you can say whatever you want but tovdo that is different , MJ droped on you 63npts and you call ed him GOD we watched that in real time so what secret you can tell to make people forget 😂😂😂 go sleep bun.k as.
So, just so everyone knows, Michael couldn't beat Bird in the playoff. Jordon's record against Larry in the playoffs is 0-6... Michael claims Larry is the best small forward to EVER play the game.
Like stockton say you respect someone climb to top Mt.Everest or someone take helicopter to top Mt.Everest.lebron lost with super team and avg 16. That all you have too say he out the goat conversation
Are you talking one on on or are you referring to when he lost to the Celtics team whom he lost to in the playoffs with no help. Yeh if your talking about the latter but even Bird knows who the GOAT is…..
Today's NBA BASKETBALL is BORING! It's shooting 3's and the rules SUCK! MICHAEL JORDAN WILL FOREVER BE KNOWN AS THE GOAT! LeBUMB is not even close to being MJ! MJ'S game was all about WINNING, NOT STATS! LARRY LEGEND BIRD will always be my favorite player but I'm a TAR-HEEL'S FAN AND IF YOU CUTT ME I BLEED CAROLINA BLUE! So when MICHAEL JORDAN was DRAFTED MJ became my favorite player! It's my Opinion and I don't care if anyone else likes it or not! My Top Two NBA Players are #1 MICHAEL JORDAN #2 LARRY LEGEND BIRD!👍✌️
No, Chamberlain is the GOAT. Go look at the statistics( don't forget rebounds). Scott Pipen is jealous of Jordan and accomplished nothing after Jordan did not play with him.
Horry said Houston will still win their 2 titles even if MJ is playing those yrs is a joke. MJ came back after Houston’s 2 titles and won 3 straights while Houston can’t even make the finals. And MJ & Hakeem are the same age so no excuses
I hate that reference from Larry Bird that is blessed for me a person is not on earth as a God That is one of the most inappropriate quotes ever in history from an NBA player he should be ashamed of himself
The 80’s and 90’s was basketball golden era. I can’t sit and watch 2 minutes of NBA now.
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80's Golden Era
90's Awesome!
00's Good!
10's Meh...
20's Unwatchable! That is not even basketball anymore!
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Big facts , shids trash
@@deihorus7927😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 SO TRUE
I'm from Massachusetts so I grew up a die hard Celtics fan so obviously I'm a Bird fan. MJ has often said LB taught him how to get into people's heads which was a great compliment from the GOAT😊
Truth be told them two dudes were the best that played the game I ain't lieing
Bobby Knight said it in 84.MJ was the best player he has ever seen.
Still he cut Barkley. He got it right on MJ. He got it wrong on Barkley
I feel so lucky having seen Mike on TV. Never got to see him play live because, every time the Bulls came to Sac the game was sold out before the season even started and my dad said it was way too expensive to get tickets. We saw a lot of other teams that came thru but it was an event if Mike came to your town. The Kings weren't good back then so, there were a lot of games where we'd get way up seats for like 5 bucks but, when Mike came to your city, it was a moment in history!
I saw him from the cheapest seat near the rafters against the Pistons before he became the God of Basketball in his 3rd year of NBA. That is all that I could afford. He appeared like a toy down there on the court but still amazing.
This is what LIFE IS ALL ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE WORK!
Larry Bird - GOAT - Legend - End of story
Yes, if you saw him play you would agree!
top 5 maybe
Larry Bird said Magic Johnson was the greatest player he ever played against or ever see “He’s the best
@@NateHall-np8qv incorrect, but you tried
@@NateHall-np8qvthat was after Magic beat him in the finals…MJ was still a one man show and hadn’t won yet. When you asked Larry when they were on the Dream Team in the twilight of his career who was the best it was MJ. And Magic said the same thing
Saw him play twice. Early in the 80s ATL. We were there to see him. Electric.
Mike Was Cold!!!! You Had To See It In Real Time To Really See How Hard This Brother Played The Game. These Highlights Don't Do Him Any Justice Trust Me. Real Time The Brother Was Cold!!!!!
Jordan was NOT the goat.
All I have ti say is Jordan is the goat ..the way Jordan played the game at both ends was crazy ..Nobody in today's game is even close .......ruthless
Larry Bird was the greatest of all time bro
MJ is way overrated
@@igermanmxBird is
@michaelrollins806 Jokic is objectively better than Larry Bird. Better at three pointers, assists, rebounds, playmaking
Honestly, Kevin Durant is better than Bird
Yeah we know, MJ was on another level.
Greatest 😊
After viewing this it proves Lebron only the greatest in his own mind!
Most people have their own goat, personally I think Jordan was an exceptional player on a long list of exceptional players
Larry is the GOAT.
Yes, I totally agree.
even Larry would say you're nuts
Magic Johnson Larry Bird told his mother he’s the best player ever saw after the 86 championship Larry Bird say he’s the best ever
☘️☘️☘️
@@NateHall-np8qv Magic wasn't in the 86 championship, he was in the 87 championship, and Bird didn't tell his mother that, he said it in the post game press conference. Bird also said that Jordan was "God, disguised as a basketball player". That quote was from the 86 playoffs, when Jordan dropped 63 on Boston... and still lost.
Michael gave it 100 every time he stepped on the floor!
""Now for a man who needs no introduction may I introduce to you... Michael Jordan!"
Greatest ever.
bird is the goat, he's not recognised as such because the game wasn't as popular then and because most fans didn't see him play.
I'm from the Chi I remember Mike when Mike wasn't passing the 🏀
Jordan always pass the ball his first four years he literally didn't have anybody to pass the ball to who can get their own shots
I'll still take Larry over Mike
What was the quote from Pat Riley "If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I'd choose Michael Jordan. But if I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd choose Larry Bird.". Or something like that. 🎤
Get your facts straight, Michael Jordan and the bulls won their first championship before the dream team 😂😂😂😂
thats what was mentioned shortly after the 3:40 min mark, "fresh off back to back championships..."
I met him once in N.C everyone i where I was working had warned us of even speaking to him I happened to be using the service evaluator when him and his wife abd body guard got on with me the body guard stuck his head in and locked around and I was like what's up and he didn't say anything but held the door then the two of them stepped in and everyone was quiet I wasn't raised like that so I spoke to them all I didn't ask for anything from them and they didn't ask me for anything either ! I treat famous people just like they are just people because that's what they are to me just people!
Click bait. Bird isn't interviewed in this video
Who's this guy? 2:30
@@rkymtnchi503 Some white guy that looks like Mr. Bird. Wait that is Mr. Bird! Good thing we watched the video.
@@OldDog-se9ev I get his point though. The title of the video and the content are entirely different. Bird’s “God disguised as Michael Jordon” quote is given, but there’s nothing about how Jordan reacted (or didn’t) to it. We basically have a 19 minute Jordan video and the content indicated by the title is maybe 10 seconds of it.
AI…TH-cam is getting more and more silly with this AI generated content
@@NBizn agreed… this one earned yet another “don’t recommend this channel”
Kenny Smith was just lucky enough to be on Teams that Won Titles.! You dont remember games where he actually contributed to those games. John Sally the same way..🤷🏾😀
For everyone that watched it was obvious before the stats before the titles before the majority of awards ..... Everyone knew EVERYONE
"concensus is unchanged" and won't be for a long time even if the nba celebrates their top 500 goats, he's still be 1
A bunch of championships against no great teams. I would chose , Wilt Chamberlain, Bird, Magic, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Dr J then Jordan. I have seen them all play many times in person. Any 76rers, Celtics, Lakers teams in 1962-1972 or in the 80s would have easily handled the Bulls teams of the ninties. The Bulls we more even with even with the
Shack Kobe Lakers. Both of those teams had two great players in the hall of fame on each team. The Lakers and Celtics of say the 80s had 5 hall of fame players on each team to give you an idea of the mismatch that would have been.
@donaldgreer5527 tho I started watching late 80s, I know all what you're saying. Lakers, blazers,suns,sonics,jazz are all worthy of being champs but we're denied. You've seen multiple 50 and 60 win teams in the 90s such as knocks, heat, Indiana,spurs ect which are no pushovers so so each team that comes out by the end were never just a cake walk. Bottom line is he dominated his era and the way he won those rings is what made him the consensus choice of being considered the goat. Each of us has their own but we can't change what the majority says. Tbh bird is my no 1 dude of all time then comes chuck, Ewing and grant hill follows as may favorites but for goat, I have to accept mj as one followed by bird and Kareem. That's my 1,2,3 and anyone can be 4 with magic,bill,wilt,Tim,Kobe. As I said mj stays for a very long time and any narrative out there won't change anything
Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Jerry West. There's a lot of great players in the NBA. Including MJ, Kobe, Shaq...
Kenny the jet Smith and Len Bias backed out of the 1984 olympic team, would have been nice to see them play with MJ
I hate it when the titles in videos are deceptive: 20 minutes, without Bird's POWEFULL words!
Neat video otherwise, with great MJ footage.
Ja Jordan was the MLB Goat
Go Bulls
SCOTTIE IS GOING THROUGH SOMETHING THE LAST FEW YEARS.
Bill Russell was the greatest basketball winner. Kareem was number 2. Magic Johnson number 3, Curry or LeBron could compete for the next spot. Larry Bird number 5
I guess this is another league we're Jordan never played! 🤔
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The goat Michael Jeffrey Jordan
MJ 👑 👍🙏🇺🇸WITHOUT A DOUBT I LOVE Scottie BUT’ IF MJ HAD NEVER PLAYED FOR THE BULLS Scottie would had never seen probably not even 1 CHAMPIONSHIP PERIOD
Michael's greatest strength was his competitiveness! He added all the rest over time! Best basketball player I ever saw!
Jordan daddy didnt die he was just reach his peak when he left and daddy died.🤔 if jordan daddy didnt die how good this man would've been and I agree hakeem was a beast he in my top 5 i pick over lebron any day.
i agree hakeem was the truth and not technically 7 ft. more like 6:10 or so moving like a guard
The player that has more points more rebounds and more assist than MJ is Lebron James and hence is obvious James is the GOAT!
It’s hard to compare players. I never saw Wilt,but he had a 60” vertical and could bench press 500 pounds. The best I’ve ever seen was MJ,Kobe,Bird,Olajuwon,curry,Pippen,Barkley,magic,McGrady and Penny along with Shaq,but he could shoot free throws,Kareem,Moses Malone,Durant,Luka,Reggie Miller,Malone and Stockton,A Iverson. David Robinson and Tim Duncan,Ginobli,Dirk. There have been a lot of great players. Jordan and Kobe were just different. Major scorers. Best defenders Scottie Pippen,Jordan,Olajuwon,Cooper
Lew Alcindor.......G.O
A.T
Cooper flagg might be next Larry or John Stockton . 1st pick next year
People on here arguing about who was the best Larry Bird said Magic Johnson was the best I repeat Larry Bird said Magic Johnson was the best the best ever
Dude Jordan got stomped by Bird, swept twice in playoffs. Despite a 63 game Jordan still lost.
Even in 88, Jordan's best year - he got beat 4 - 1 by Celtics
Really pippen I watched all of the bulls games the only person who changed and grew was mj. You of all people should know how hard he trained. You should be honored you had the opportunity to play with him and have 6 trophy's. You're a great player but you're not mj. Kobe comes in second bless his soul .
Pippen didn't grow as a player?
Wilt Chamberlain is the goat. Not even close.
One thing is for certain, the guy that regurgitated these clips should receive zero money
MJ WAS A COLD BLOODED KILLA ON THE COURT! PERIOD!
THE 1 & ONLY 🐐 No ONE, NOBODY CAN MATCH HIM.
O-6 playoff v Bird🎉
0-6 against Celtics who had Bird, DJ, the Chief, McHale, etc. He’s still the GOAT. Just ask Bird??? But if it makes you feel good hey!!! 😅
Take a look at what LeBron says about Larry and what Larry says about LeBron.
Can't do it without Scotty Pippin. 🎉
TRUTH!! 👍
True it a team sport but didnt leave like lebron didnt go join other superstars when lost always best player lose or win.
You guys are morons! No player wins alone!
And Pippen wouldn’t have done anything without Jordan. Jordan could have went to any other team in contention and they would have been favored to win it all. Pippen could have went elsewhere and would have been watching Jordan and the bulls continue to win it all. Also let’s not act like Jordan didn’t play a role in helping mold Pippen into the player he ultimately became.
And he has better playoff record than Mike. Oh by the way, he had better shooting % without Mike
Could change a game on both ends
Jordan might have been the most exciting but if you know any NBA history, Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT.
Don’t take my word for it, Bill Russell stated it in an interview several years ago.
What Bill Russell can't be wrong?
Jokic is more skilled than Wilt. Wilt cannot score freethrows. He does not lead his teams to victory
Who got the W
Calm part 22
Who was better Larry or Michael? This is a question of skills,who was more impactful with their great talents? I give Michael the edge. In this category Lebron over Wilt.
Not Just the Best in NBA ... but ALSO the first EVER why still in college that BEAT nba BEST all ⭐⭐⭐ TEAM ... that im PROMISE ,it wont BE Another College BASKETBALL player that can BEAT nba BEST all ⭐⭐⭐ TEAM ever AGAIN... %💯 REAL ... 👍👍👍
As one said MJ makes u look slow but LB makes u look stupid...😊
1:17 "the greatest of the great"
... I hated him. I was a sixer Barkley fan comin' up. I won't lie, of root for Ewing and the knicks
Because Magic and Bird was old. Jordan never beat Larry Bird
DON'T PUT KENNY IS THIS...COME ON MAN.
23 never beat 33 .. 33 beat them all 🔥🏀
So we gotta ignore the fact that 33 had 4 other HOFers with him when he beat 23? Did number 23 have any all stars in his team let alone HOFer?
@randellllarena7525 23 treated other team members like shit .
@@Robert-tj3qq moving the goal post that you started. Make some sense dude.
This film grain filter adds nothing to the video.
Stop Robert 3x-3x nobody did that. As far as pippin is concerned his Ego was quickly deflated
All I have to say is
DOCTOR J
WAS MJ'S TEACHER.... PERIOD 🏀❣️
Larry just being humble ,
Jordan couldn't win until Larry retired 😅...
Your lucky Larry legend came into the league with mangled hands ....then nursed a broken back for most of career....
And had major surgery on both archiles...
m.th-cam.com/video/y8zNJFd3Gvo/w-d-xo.html&si=0wIeR2focrjRafb8
Straight up facts!!!!!!!!
Bird made every player on Boston better since his rookie year!!!!
False. Larry retired losing. And Jordan's Bulls beat the same Pistons team Bird's Celtics lost to
Jordan won before Larry retired. So did Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas. Larry retired in 1992
@ Jordan ain’t never beat bird, even in his prime with Scottie, so your statement is irrelevant backwards!!!
Michael won nothing until other teammates improved! He hasn’t played in 20 years, give it a rest!
Shut up Jordan not even the best NBA player ever you forget Bill Russell Wilt Chamberlain Dr J
Dr J is my favorite player of all time…but MJ is the GOAT!!!
nobodys word cant change the fact MJ is GOAT , we saw it in actions i not interested in words coz you can say whatever you want but tovdo that is different , MJ droped on you 63npts and you call ed him GOD we watched that in real time so what secret you can tell to make people forget 😂😂😂 go sleep bun.k as.
So, just so everyone knows, Michael couldn't beat Bird in the playoff. Jordon's record against Larry in the playoffs is 0-6... Michael claims Larry is the best small forward to EVER play the game.
Like stockton say you respect someone climb to top Mt.Everest or someone take helicopter to top Mt.Everest.lebron lost with super team and avg 16. That all you have too say he out the goat conversation
RIP KObe. But he was no Mike. Jordan was great. Kobe just had ego.
Just curious, how many times did MJ beat Larry Bird in a game? ....................... It's ok.. we know
Are you talking one on on or are you referring to when he lost to the Celtics team whom he lost to in the playoffs with no help. Yeh if your talking about the latter but even Bird knows who the GOAT is…..
1989 was part of the 80’s. So they didn’t dominate the “entire 80’s. Pistons won in ‘89.
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Today's NBA BASKETBALL is BORING! It's shooting 3's and the rules SUCK!
MICHAEL JORDAN WILL FOREVER BE KNOWN AS THE GOAT!
LeBUMB is not even close to being MJ! MJ'S game was all about WINNING, NOT STATS!
LARRY LEGEND BIRD will always be my favorite player but I'm a TAR-HEEL'S FAN AND IF YOU CUTT ME I BLEED CAROLINA BLUE! So when MICHAEL JORDAN was DRAFTED MJ became my favorite player! It's my Opinion and I don't care if anyone else likes it or not! My Top Two NBA Players are #1 MICHAEL JORDAN #2 LARRY LEGEND BIRD!👍✌️
Larry is the GOAT. Jordan needed someone to follow.
lmao...Larry needed 3 HOFers to win
Larry Burr “Magic Johnson’s the best the best ever
Not without my 3 videos taken illegally by Mr Jordan in 75.
No, Chamberlain is the GOAT. Go look at the statistics( don't forget rebounds). Scott Pipen is jealous of Jordan and accomplished nothing after Jordan did not play with him.
Playing sportsball isn't godly. Good grief.
Horry said Houston will still win their 2 titles even if MJ is playing those yrs is a joke. MJ came back after Houston’s 2 titles and won 3 straights while Houston can’t even make the finals. And MJ & Hakeem are the same age so no excuses
Labum destroy the NBA with wokeness and now it's European style NBA of weakness
Short teacher 01
I hate that reference from Larry Bird that is blessed for me a person is not on earth as a God
That is one of the most inappropriate quotes ever in history from an NBA player he should be ashamed of himself
Blasphemy
One thing is clear, Jordan was gifted a lot by David stern , he was great but not the best. Mikey Jordan hated playing defense
IMO Jordan was a hot dog.
By far the most competitive athlete I've ever seen. You should probably stick to knitting IMO
Wilt is the GOAT. PERIOD. Sorry...
How is Wilt better than Jokic? Jokic is a 50% 3 point shooter im an advanced league
If not because of M.J you will not be who you are today ... As you can see , when M.J retire you aint shit ... Kobe TEAR your ass up ...
BRON never Gonna JUST even Be CLOSE to M.J ....
One thing is clear, Jordan was gifted a lot by David stern , he was great but not the best. Mikey Jordan hated playing defense