Man I absolutely love and always loved this channel. Please keep doing what you do. It's an honor to be in an age where we can rediscover and reteach lost arts.
The dvd you 3 have produced is amazing! I purchased one from Billy- I can’t believe how this knowledge transforms what was considered lesser quality wood into hunting material- thank you and keep up the great work
I had always felt that the Indians (my father is an Elder, the Fire Keep) had better ways of preparing bow woods for their best performance possible. I had thought that fire hardening had something to do with it. To see that these other woods can be made to perform like they can is very encouraging. It also means that you don't have to have osage to make a great hunting bow. So this means a lot of local woods that we thought were inferior can be made to a higher level of performance. To me, it also explains more how our ancestors were able to make their short bows so dependable. Their very lives depended on their bows and what they could do with them. To see proof with some of the woods that you have shown is enlightening for sure. While I already have several Osage staves that are in the works, I can see expanding to these other woods to try knowing that they can be a solid dependable shooter and hunting weapon. Appriciate you guys
Thanks and you hit the nail on the head. I like fire hardened better than osage now after making and shooting wood bows for 30 years this was a breath of fresh air to me also. I live in coastal Georgia and we do not have osage. I had wondered how the native people could have the great bows of history with damp white wood bows. But Keith rediscovered this technique during experiments removing wood with fire. My grandfathers race is native american, Cheraw/PeeDee and proven with DNA and I was happy to help prove what was written in the old records by early first contact europeans. We proved what they saw and wrote down. Keith was the leader and brains behind this but i was glad to help. Here the bows of native history were commonly very long.
@@BeckumOutdoors pretty awesome. I am of Western Cherokee, my dad has our family tree going way back before the civil war. My grandfather hid his background as did his father to be able to own land and work. I favor my mother who has little Indian in her but you can sure see it in my sister and father. I agree that so many Native Americans did not have access to Osage and yet did very very well with the woods that they used. So they had to have this all figured out. So much has been lost but some are holding on here and there. Heck, you had me out looking at a Dogwood tree for a bow. I will probably just cut anpther hickory since they are everywhere here. have considered Elm as well but didn't want to put the work into it to be a lousy bow. Thanks, Jerry
This is super cool Thad! Very much looking forward to the finished product! This is a game changer! Especially considering that I live in central Florida where it’s humid year round. Love how you made your bow in this video. Mad skills man!
Greetings Thad. As always, great informative video. Even though I've been m.i.a on making videos, but still watching. Thanks to your first videos is how I started in the primitive cane, bamboo. Hopefully I can meet you and Billy some day.
sorry to keep bothering you, last comment. watched your video where you fertilized the water oak. have done this and it works. also did this for cerain honey suckle patches and the deer notice even quicker. they will walk thru other patches to get to it. my grandfather always told me that even though we couldn't tell the difference, the deer sure could. He made crossbows with cedar for the limbs for me as a kid. being over in western Ark next to OK, he told me of his ancesters using osage for bows. Have a little Chickasaw in me as well. tried knapping flint but my eyes aren't so good nor is the feeling in my right hand. wanted to make heads for my river cane arrows. hard not to talk about this stuff.
Cant wait to see this DVD...If Thad is backing it, I'm in...Been into the primitive side of archery for a long time and am ready for new ideas...Seems were always learning as we go.... Don burchett.donald/primitive archer
Thanks Don. Billy Berger is editing this video. I am very eager to see the finished project. My part was for historic information. I will not be back on the "forum" Just don't need all that noise. Thanks again Donald.
Please share or acknowledge somewhere what tribal nations made and used osage orange wood or that these are learned from. I'm curious to know what the origins of the people and knowledge you have been able to create and do you represent one of those nations? Thanks
I have a nice elm stave I'm making into a flat bow with intentions on using this technique. Can you hint as to what stage this technique is applied. Meaning can I tiller this bow out or is it applied at a floor tiller stage???
No tiller is all I can say at this time Erick. If I say more Keith and Billy may come after me. They are big and ugly and I wish to remain friends. lol
Sorry , the master copy of the final video is in Atlanta being mass produced it will be on all sites when the company doing reproduction is done. We have finished but if you make a video for sale you have a company reproduce in mass what you have made. In short no need to put up links to buy until the video is available. It is coming . Thank you for your interest in our video. Its like making music..you may record the song but someone else has to make the hard copies. Thanks again.
As soon as it comes out i’m purchasing it. What website will it be available at on Thad? Look’s awesome. I strictly use whitewoods. I did see some heat treated bellies in the DVD sneak peak and can’t wait to see some examples and testing. Just one question, what is the draw weight of that fully bending “D” bow you made using stone tools and put on the tiller tree? I love that design. Thanks bud. All the best, -Aaron
Hey Aaron it will be sold on Shannons web-site and will be coming out at the end of September. We are just letting the self bow community know that the video is coming. The heat treat is not typical. The video will explain. We will have a download also. The bow I made with stone tools is 48 pounds. Thanks for your support.
Just cut a elm tree today and split it into staves, also sealed the ends.do you have any recommendations on how to dry the wood quickly and safely. I’d love to give the fire hardening method a try on the staves.
Steve. You can see every aspect of this technique on our new DVD or download. I think watching the video will give you much more important information than I could translate over this platform. The video is an hour long and takes the bow from green tree to finished bow. Thanks for your interest.
BeckumOutdoors I just bought the download and watched it. Dude! Your skills are outta this world! It blows my mind how you made your bow. That is pure talent and skill that you’ve clearly mastered! Much respect my friend! Can’t wait to experiment and learn these skills myself one day.
@Anthony Maurice call Keith Shannon at 1-478-494-2784 .He will build one for you. It was Keith's discovery and he does build fire hardened bows for people that are serious.
the difference between osage bows and white wood bows is long life/ and consistent performance over a long period of time. the wood must be cured properly and fashioned according to prescribed methods learned over time. white woods can make good bows but not long lasting bows. a few years of regular use and the tell tails signs of the inferiority of white woods compared to osage will become evident. i stopped using white woods many, many years ago when the evidence first was revealed through experience. i have made hundreds and hundreds of osage orange bows and white wood bows of all kinds as well as yew bows, and horn bows. osage is also the best wood i have used for the core of a horn bow. yew also is inferior to osage though very good. long experience has been my teacher. you can't judge a bow wood by one thing, the initial performance of the bow is not all there is to it, but is for most people who have only a few years of experiance. a life time of experience has confirmed to me, at least, that osage is definately beyond any white wood.
Yes I agree heat treating is great improving a white wood bow very much. You will find what we have done takes this to a new level. The video will be available in a couple weeks. It is in mass production now in Atlanta. You can find the dvd and download at ShannonOutdoors.
Not anything anyone has been exposed to. Much different, but heat is used in a very surprising way. The video went to production today. It will be on the market soon. The Art and Science of the Fire Hardened White Wood Bow. It will be available at Shannon Outdoors. Shannon Primitives.
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Man I absolutely love and always loved this channel. Please keep doing what you do. It's an honor to be in an age where we can rediscover and reteach lost arts.
Thank you very much.
Love your promos 👍👍
Awesome! So glad you're back!
Thanks
The dvd you 3 have produced is amazing! I purchased one from Billy- I can’t believe how this knowledge transforms what was considered lesser quality wood into hunting material- thank you and keep up the great work
I had always felt that the Indians (my father is an Elder, the Fire Keep) had better ways of preparing bow woods for their best performance possible. I had thought that fire hardening had something to do with it. To see that these other woods can be made to perform like they can is very encouraging. It also means that you don't have to have osage to make a great hunting bow. So this means a lot of local woods that we thought were inferior can be made to a higher level of performance. To me, it also explains more how our ancestors were able to make their short bows so dependable. Their very lives depended on their bows and what they could do with them. To see proof with some of the woods that you have shown is enlightening for sure. While I already have several Osage staves that are in the works, I can see expanding to these other woods to try knowing that they can be a solid dependable shooter and hunting weapon. Appriciate you guys
Thanks and you hit the nail on the head. I like fire hardened better than osage now after making and shooting wood bows for 30 years this was a breath of fresh air to me also. I live in coastal Georgia and we do not have osage. I had wondered how the native people could have the great bows of history with damp white wood bows. But Keith rediscovered this technique during experiments removing wood with fire. My grandfathers race is native american, Cheraw/PeeDee and proven with DNA and I was happy to help prove what was written in the old records by early first contact europeans. We proved what they saw and wrote down. Keith was the leader and brains behind this but i was glad to help. Here the bows of native history were commonly very long.
@@BeckumOutdoors pretty awesome. I am of Western Cherokee, my dad has our family tree going way back before the civil war. My grandfather hid his background as did his father to be able to own land and work. I favor my mother who has little Indian in her but you can sure see it in my sister and father. I agree that so many Native Americans did not have access to Osage and yet did very very well with the woods that they used. So they had to have this all figured out. So much has been lost but some are holding on here and there. Heck, you had me out looking at a Dogwood tree for a bow. I will probably just cut anpther hickory since they are everywhere here. have considered Elm as well but didn't want to put the work into it to be a lousy bow. Thanks, Jerry
@@jerrycox2058 Elm is very good also.
Outstanding!!! It's great to see you post a video after a long absence. Thank you Thad, great to see you back at it again!
Thank you brother
This looks great guys. Looking forward to the DVD!
Thanks Jim,,, good luck hunting and fly fishing.
This has got me more excited then your incredible Full Circle DVD. Can't wait!
Great video I wondered where you been ready to see more flintlock videos. 👍
Happy to see you back on your channel ,Thad !
Thank you
Thanks buddy
Excited for this, Thad! Always enjoy seeing your guys work! Awesome work on that stone and bone crafted bow!...Ben
Thanks for your support Ben.
I am happy you come back!
Thank you
Great video man I love watching your stuff and learning new stuff.
Good to see you back sir!! Osage is a bit hard to come by up north and I have some hickory staves just waiting for this DVD.
You will be pleased. Even wood like Sweetgum has made super fast smooth low mass bows. Hickory is perfect.
This is super cool Thad! Very much looking forward to the finished product! This is a game changer! Especially considering that I live in central Florida where it’s humid year round. Love how you made your bow in this video. Mad skills man!
Thanks Brother.
Greetings Thad. As always, great informative video. Even though I've been m.i.a on making videos, but still watching. Thanks to your first videos is how I started in the primitive cane, bamboo. Hopefully I can meet you and Billy some day.
Great man I will check out your videos. Good luck with your primitive quest.
@@BeckumOutdoors thank you Thad
sorry to keep bothering you, last comment. watched your video where you fertilized the water oak. have done this and it works. also did this for cerain honey suckle patches and the deer notice even quicker. they will walk thru other patches to get to it. my grandfather always told me that even though we couldn't tell the difference, the deer sure could. He made crossbows with cedar for the limbs for me as a kid. being over in western Ark next to OK, he told me of his ancesters using osage for bows. Have a little Chickasaw in me as well. tried knapping flint but my eyes aren't so good nor is the feeling in my right hand. wanted to make heads for my river cane arrows. hard not to talk about this stuff.
I can’t wait for this dvd
Me too.
Looks great thad!!
Thanks Billy
300 views is not that great because I have watched it 290....hahaha
Cant wait to see this DVD...If Thad is backing it, I'm in...Been into the primitive side of archery for a long time and am ready for new ideas...Seems were always learning as we go....
Don
burchett.donald/primitive archer
Thanks Don. Billy Berger is editing this video. I am very eager to see the finished project. My part was for historic information. I will not be back on the "forum" Just don't need all that noise. Thanks again Donald.
Great video and information.
Thanks
Please share or acknowledge somewhere what tribal nations made and used osage orange wood or that these are learned from. I'm curious to know what the origins of the people and knowledge you have been able to create and do you represent one of those nations? Thanks
Gracias bien gracias por su birlos excelentes videos gracias
Gracias por su birlos excelentes videos gracias
Thank you.
I have a nice elm stave I'm making into a flat bow with intentions on using this technique. Can you hint as to what stage this technique is applied. Meaning can I tiller this bow out or is it applied at a floor tiller stage???
No tiller is all I can say at this time Erick. If I say more Keith and Billy may come after me. They are big and ugly and I wish to remain friends. lol
hahah i understand. i’ll just wait to buy the dvd like everyone else. thanks for the reply and for keeping up with this work i love all the videos
Wow can’t wait
I can't wait myself.
Hola como se llama el árbol con el que hacen esos arcos tan geniales
When is the dvd coming out for this video?
Aawesome video !
This video is getting very close to being available.....
Where will it be available? Thanks
@@Austin_Evans31
BeckumOutdoors.com , Primitivepathways.com from links to Shannonoutdoors.com
@@BeckumOutdoors Thanks Thad. I look forward to getting a copy!
Cant wait Thad keep up the good videos
Can't find the dvd on any of the sites
Sorry , the master copy of the final video is in Atlanta being mass produced it will be on all sites when the company doing reproduction is done. We have finished but if you make a video for sale you have a company reproduce in mass what you have made. In short no need to put up links to buy until the video is available. It is coming . Thank you for your interest in our video. Its like making music..you may record the song but someone else has to make the hard copies. Thanks again.
What about doing the same thing to osage orange? Would that make it an even better bow?
This process works better on white woods that are weaker in belly compression but have very strong backs.
ive tempered osage orange wood. it works but you gotta make sure you get a hot enough temperature.
holy shit youre alive....... i mean... glad to see that youre still this side of the grass lol
I had one foot in the grave that is for sure...thanks man.
Hah I know!! I've missed Thad and all his videos. Gonna be AWESOME
Como se llama el arbol del cual hacen el arco
We are using common woods here in our region...like hickory, elm,white oak, sweetgum etc. thanks
As soon as it comes out i’m purchasing it. What website will it be available at on Thad? Look’s awesome. I strictly use whitewoods. I did see some heat treated bellies in the DVD sneak peak and can’t wait to see some examples and testing. Just one question, what is the draw weight of that fully bending “D” bow you made using stone tools and put on the tiller tree? I love that design. Thanks bud. All the best,
-Aaron
Hey Aaron it will be sold on Shannons web-site and will be coming out at the end of September. We are just letting the self bow community know that the video is coming. The heat treat is not typical. The video will explain. We will have a download also. The bow I made with stone tools is 48 pounds. Thanks for your support.
Just cut a elm tree today and split it into staves, also sealed the ends.do you have any recommendations on how to dry the wood quickly and safely. I’d love to give the fire hardening method a try on the staves.
Steve. You can see every aspect of this technique on our new DVD or download. I think watching the video will give you much more important information than I could translate over this platform. The video is an hour long and takes the bow from green tree to finished bow. Thanks for your interest.
BeckumOutdoors I just bought the download and watched it. Dude! Your skills are outta this world! It blows my mind how you made your bow. That is pure talent and skill that you’ve clearly mastered! Much respect my friend! Can’t wait to experiment and learn these skills myself one day.
@@provisionlongbows8881 Thanks Steven. Glad you enjoyed the video.
@Anthony Maurice call Keith Shannon at 1-478-494-2784
.He will build one for you. It was Keith's discovery and he does build fire hardened bows for people that are serious.
@Anthony Maurice Yes as heavy as you want. Keith is the fellow in the video with me.
Faz tempo que vc n posta vídeo
yesa I had my 3 neck surgery. Almost killed me ...thanks for watching
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Eu também faço arcos primitivos de caça
the difference between osage bows and white wood bows is long life/ and consistent performance over a long period of time. the wood must be cured properly and fashioned according to prescribed methods learned over time. white woods can make good bows but not long lasting bows. a few years of regular use and the tell tails signs of the inferiority of white woods compared to osage will become evident. i stopped using white woods many, many years ago when the evidence first was revealed through experience. i have made hundreds and hundreds of osage orange bows and white wood bows of all kinds as well as yew bows, and horn bows. osage is also the best wood i have used for the core of a horn bow. yew also is inferior to osage though very good. long experience has been my teacher. you can't judge a bow wood by one thing, the initial performance of the bow is not all there is to it, but is for most people who have only a few years of experiance. a life time of experience has confirmed to me, at least, that osage is definately beyond any white wood.
😂Sorry I respectfully disagree.
I heat treat all my elm bows with great success.
Yes I agree heat treating is great improving a white wood bow very much. You will find what we have done takes this to a new level. The video will be available in a couple weeks. It is in mass production now in Atlanta. You can find the dvd and download at ShannonOutdoors.
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This has got to have something to do with heat treating
Not anything anyone has been exposed to. Much different, but heat is used in a very surprising way. The video went to production today. It will be on the market soon. The Art and Science of the Fire Hardened White Wood Bow. It will be available at Shannon Outdoors. Shannon Primitives.
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Thanks for watching