This inspired me and crushed me all at the same time. Working with a shapeoko 3 currently and looking to make a vacuum table. Considering this is above me ability, I would still love to know the means in which to zero my vacuum table for production repeatability
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Really great !! Congratulation to this nice video !
hi . i read through your answers. i was looking for what material and how thick you did use to build this setup . You said it is HDF 20mm . Where did you get that thickness from please. Im looking online in uk and maximum here is 6mm. Like you bed. Thanks. ps. i know this is old now but HDF part is most needed.
Really amazing! Thanks for sharing. Could you please share some details on the Pump tube (and related connection and valve )? I'm not able to find something similar online Thanks!!
O k So now for my dumb questions. Am I understanding the video right is the suction on this table zoned? If I'm understanding it right you can run suction to only a part of it at a time if you want or the entire area if you need it. I like it as this was what I was thinking of doing after watching several videos on here about how to build one. I was thinking of several layers that the air would be pulled through as it worked its way around the table. But I wasn't sure how to form these channels in a round or square grid. and 2 to 3 layers on top of each other as it pulled from the outside in or from center as it worked out. Any advice on this would be very good. Good video!!!
I enjoyed learning how to make the vacuum table. Nice video of each step in the process. I would suggest that the fancy text transitions are a bit distracting. Thanks.
Hi Ralf, very impressed with your vacuum table and I am in the process of designing something similar, I am interested in what software you used to generate the Gcode to cut the vacuum channels the way you do at 0.52 seconds onwards, I have a 6mm ball end mill but want to cut 10mm dia channels and have no idea how to do it. any suggestions appreciated Eric
thanks for the response, pity I don't have and cannot afford solidcam as this is just a non-paying hobby, I'll find a different approach. (I don't use windows anyway)
+Gabi PIRVUTI www.ebay.nl/itm/Vakuumpumpe-V115-Vakuum-Unterdruckpumpe-Pumpe-Vacuum-Pump-Drehschieber-220-Volt-/190626153843?pt=Pumpen&hash=item2c62344573 Its about 60 euro.. not 569 euro ..i think they made a typing mistake
+Chris KindigHello, a drawing program on my computer and designed it myself. Using a zero point on the cnc you can flip the workpeace exactly upside down zo everything aligns exectly
"Using a zero point on the cnc you can flip the workpeace exactly upside down zo everything aligns exectly" Would be nice if you can make a video showing this process.
Eric Belanger for this little cnc table i used 6mm mossrubber gasket in a 5x5 mm channel... on my cnc table i use a 10 mm gasket in a 9 mm widht and 8,5 mm height channel.
Your videos are great. I'm trying to gather information to make my own vacuum table for my new CNC machine. Do you have any video of using the vacuum table and 90 degree vacuum clamp? I would love to see them in use.
Работа зачёт. Но есть пару вопросов. Зачем на каретке косынка справа от шпинделя? И скорость обработки можно в несколько раз повысить. Это же до утра можно делать эту работу! И наверное нитрокраской хорошо бы мдф покрыть после обработки . Иначе большие потери в давлении будут.
Dampt of stinkt de Uzman pomp erg als deze loopt? Ik heb er nu ene die stinkt nogal. Vooral in kleinere ruimtes is het niet erg fijn om deze pomp lang te laden draaien.
Christian Vossen Ja dat viel mij ook een beetje tegen.. olie niet boven het midden laten komen. Ik heb de pomp nooit echt lang aan gehad nog, maar kon al merken dat de lucht een beetje vervuild was :-). Niet te veel olie erin doen.
Hi Ralf, what is reading on your vacuum gauge when you using your table? I made similar table and i have similar vacuum pump but when vacuum is not perfect (less than 30 inch/hg) vacuum pump makes loud noise and starts smoking after a while... So i don't know... bad pump or bad gasket? Did you have that problem? Thanks!
Yes the pump smokes a bit when your oil level is above middle. but it makes almost no noise.. its verry quit.. so thta i dont know. last week i used the pump for 3,5 hours straith and no problems. the vacuum reading is verry different from the material used.. plastics i have -0,8 to -0,9 bar .. if i use wood it can suck treu the wood and give a bit les reading.. 0,5 below i will not thrust it anymore and use a clamp(s) also
hi. i bought one of these vacuums for my epoxy work but mine has so much smoke it makes it impossible to use inside. is yours like that too or am i doing something wrong or is it just not working well? whats your opinion? it does become way less once its sucking and doing its job but by that time the alarms went off each times inside
I was trying to see the specs on the vacuum pump but the motion was to blurry. Can you post a pic of the specs of that pump? I have a pump I use for wood stabilization, but I don't know if my pump is enough.
привет, ну ты и спросил, даже я с трудом понял. А я то американец насчёт твоего вопроса... размер не имеет значения потому что будет зависеть от таго какой мощности у тебя полисос. тоесть чем больше полисос каторый создаёт вакум тем больше размер стола может быть. глубина паза тоже не важна. всё просто.
Leuke vacuumplaat :) Heb ik ook ooit gemaakt - eerst uit MDF (wil natuurlijk niet), daarna kunststof. Kunststofversie was best last vanwege smeltend materiaal. Ik zou dat HDF wel eens willen proberen, maar waar koop je dat? Ik kan het (ook bij navraag) als particulier nergens kopen?
Als het klopt is de fabriek failliet en word het niet meer gemaakt. ik heb gelukkig nog een paar volle platen over en ben daar erg zuinig op. HDF is echt GEWELDIG spul. Veel mensen vragen ernaar wereldwijd. Snap niet dat het niet meer gemaakt word.
Ralf Klaassen Ai, dat is jammer. Net zoals de groene mdf platen, die zijn voor een consument zeer slecht verkrijgbaar. Jammer, kost nauwelijks meer dan de gamma mdf rommel. Dan maar zoeken naar een nieuw alternatief voor de vacuumplaat :(
Looks like your vacuum table is also your spoil board? But then I saw when you were cutting pieces out that you didn't actually go all the way through? How did you get the pieces out if you did t cut all the way through?
Ralf Klaassen Like video, like video especially 7:45 ... Can you tell me specification of vacum pump, and your cost for pump ? Is any possible to make vacum pump with compressor ?
Nikola Boskovic vacuum pump cost 62,45 euro excl sending...42 Liter/minute...i buy it from ebay. Vacuum pump whit extra vaccum compartments is build on this video Making a Vacuum Pump System: Andrew Pitts ~ FurnitureMaker
What kind of wood did you use?? the humidity doesn´t bend it? i need a material that doesn´t deform with the humidity of the envoirment beacause i need to work in PCB that are pretty big...
+Simon Capriles its HDF High-Density Fibre board or HDF board is pressed with a high density. HDF is not a brand name, but generic. The wood fibers are dried and connected by means of resins with each other. This is in contrast to hardboard, wherein the wet fibers are pressed.its oil-temppered.
+Ralf Klaassen I use it for my vacuumtable and stayss perfectly flat.. but i bolted it down on my alumium table...the small vacuum table in the video is 2 times 18 mm with gleu and stay also pretty flat. Hdf of 18 mm thickness is hard to find...i still have some m2 of it and use it for templates
ShaggyRmz Yes it's possible but I wouldn't recommend it. MDF board allows airflow to flow through the board which defeats the point of milling all the vacuum slots. Usually you have a vacuum table like shown and put MDF board on top, then add your material to the top of that to route. This way, you can cut through the material into the MDF board and not damage your vacuum table.
I'll try to make MDF vacuum table cause there is no HDF in such thickness and i saw some other guys making table out of MDF so Ill gave it a try... if that does not work ill buy Aluminium table... :) Thank you for answer !
HDF board isn't the only material you can use either. Some hard composite materials will work fine like Phenolic. Either way, pretty sure you would be wasting your time on the MDF vacuum table.
Could you write a list of components and materials that you use on this project please?... I only know that you used a vacuum pump, MDF, glue, CNC, but i don't know the name of the component 6:26 :/
José Manuel Martínez Valdez These components are from FESTOOL.. i dont know the name of it..but i think you can find it on the net.. hope it helps, greetz, ralf
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Вот наглядный пример, когда у человека и руки ростут из правильного места и голова соображает. Уважение и восхещение. Просто заглядение, а не работа.
Brilliant! Thanks for taking thr time to show us.
tremendous idea! zoned for efficient use of the vacuum! guess I know what I'm doing this afternoon
+Chris Jablonski :-)
I really like the idea of separate ports to the table sections to be attached when smaller/larger items are to be routed. THANKS!
Wow! Great Design. Thanks for sharing.
Very nice, beautiful work!
Thanx :-)
Very fantastic job !!! thats awsome
Thanx...it works great!
wow this s great job thank 4 sharing
maybe some mdf sacrificial mo top with holes drilled in to save the board below? great video.
This inspired me and crushed me all at the same time. Working with a shapeoko 3 currently and looking to make a vacuum table. Considering this is above me ability, I would still love to know the means in which to zero my vacuum table for production repeatability
Really great !! Congratulation to this nice video !
+CNC-STEP / CNC Router and Water Jet Cutting Machines for wood, plastic, metal and other Thanx :)
Great job
Wow, just 4 inlet ports? Impressive!
Impressive work. Like the way you think.
+Frank Erik Vestly Thanx )
Thanks for sharing!! going to try make one in plastic
excellent video. great job
Thanx :-)
hi . i read through your answers. i was looking for what material and how thick you did use to build this setup . You said it is HDF 20mm . Where did you get that thickness from please. Im looking online in uk and maximum here is 6mm. Like you bed. Thanks. ps. i know this is old now but HDF part is most needed.
Hi. awesome job on the vacuum table. what type of wood did you use for it?
would you be willing to share your CAD files for this?
Nice work buddy... !
Bedankt maat!
:-)
Danke!
Превосходно!!
Fantastic job building this vac table. Can we download the CAD files for this vac table?
Heel erg netjes!! Staat ook nog op mijn lijstje om eens te maken
Ralf,
I really like your table design. Can you tell me how thick your HDF pieces were that you glued together to make the table? Thanks.
20mm each
Hi, a really nice vacuum table. Why are you using that 45-degree pattern on the spoil board?
Really amazing! Thanks for sharing.
Could you please share some details on the Pump tube (and related connection and valve )? I'm not able to find something similar online
Thanks!!
Mauro Darman Festo
Молодчина!
So it works perfect, doent it? I was considering about using 4mm rubber and also 4mm grooves
Hi, what pipe diameter and pump do you recommend using? I am making a table 1220*2440mm, with 6*6mm grooves, 25mm between grooves. Thank you
O k So now for my dumb questions. Am I understanding the video right is the suction on this table zoned? If I'm understanding it right you can run suction to only a part of it at a time if you want or the entire area if you need it. I like it as this was what I was thinking of doing after watching several videos on here about how to build one. I was thinking of several layers that the air would be pulled through as it worked its way around the table. But I wasn't sure how to form these channels in a round or square grid. and 2 to 3 layers on top of each other as it pulled from the outside in or from center as it worked out. Any advice on this would be very good. Good video!!!
hello
great job , you can share the cad vaccum poject ?
thanks
I enjoyed learning how to make the vacuum table. Nice video of each step in the process. I would suggest that the fancy text transitions are a bit distracting. Thanks.
I guess this is 100% necessary for sheet metal cutting then :D
That is what I am wondering to....
cool......
Hi Ralf, very impressed with your vacuum table and I am in the process of designing something similar, I am interested in what software you used to generate the Gcode to cut the vacuum channels the way you do at 0.52 seconds onwards, I have a 6mm ball end mill but want to cut 10mm dia channels and have no idea how to do it. any suggestions appreciated
Eric
Hi Eric, i used solidcam on this one
thanks for the response, pity I don't have and cannot afford solidcam as this is just a non-paying hobby, I'll find a different approach. (I don't use windows anyway)
Goed werk. Heb je plannen om het te bouwen? Dank je
Tripod my man!
what size is the cabinet you have for that pump
Nice job! Can you tell us what type of vacuum pump did you used? Some technical characteristics of it. Tnx
+Gabi PIRVUTI www.ebay.nl/itm/Vakuumpumpe-V115-Vakuum-Unterdruckpumpe-Pumpe-Vacuum-Pump-Drehschieber-220-Volt-/190626153843?pt=Pumpen&hash=item2c62344573 Its about 60 euro.. not 569 euro ..i think they made a typing mistake
What motor did you use? Have you had any issues with it working? Thank you
hello I happened on to your video and have a question for you, how did you create and split your design for the inside of the table?
+Chris KindigHello, a drawing program on my computer and designed it myself. Using a zero point on the cnc you can flip the workpeace exactly upside down zo everything aligns exectly
"Using a zero point on the cnc you can flip the workpeace exactly upside down zo everything aligns exectly"
Would be nice if you can make a video showing this process.
Great vaccum plenum who's inspired me ! What's the size of your gasket (or the size of your channel grid) ?
Eric Belanger for this little cnc table i used 6mm mossrubber gasket in a 5x5 mm channel... on my cnc table i use a 10 mm gasket in a 9 mm widht and 8,5 mm height channel.
Ralf Klaassen I wonder why you plug your vacuum intake with a bolt since you have an inline valve ? Is it to keep the debris out of the channel ?
Yes ..it is to kep the debris out of the channel
Your videos are great. I'm trying to gather information to make my own vacuum table for my new CNC machine. Do you have any video of using the vacuum table and 90 degree vacuum clamp? I would love to see them in use.
No not yet ..i am wiring my other cnc.. after thats done i will show some vids
I'll look forward to them. THANK YOU.
Ralf Klaassen Would you mind my asking, what material did you used to make the vacuum table?
Chet Weatherl
HDF material
That's what I thought. Sadly :-( I cant find that in my region of the states. Do you suppose a high density Plastic would work as well?
Nice work ! Can you tell me which face milling bit you used ?
something like this.. shop.jvl-europe.com/epages/61425996.sf/nl_NL/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61425996/Products/M3030-12RT
а какой материал использовали для стола?
Работа зачёт. Но есть пару вопросов. Зачем на каретке косынка справа от шпинделя? И скорость обработки можно в несколько раз повысить. Это же до утра можно делать эту работу!
И наверное нитрокраской хорошо бы мдф покрыть после обработки . Иначе большие потери в давлении будут.
Look for Uzman on Ebay.. They sell pumps under 100 euro
Dampt of stinkt de Uzman pomp erg als deze loopt? Ik heb er nu ene die stinkt nogal. Vooral in kleinere ruimtes is het niet erg fijn om deze pomp lang te laden draaien.
Christian Vossen
Ja dat viel mij ook een beetje tegen.. olie niet boven het midden laten komen.
Ik heb de pomp nooit echt lang aan gehad nog, maar kon al merken dat de lucht een beetje vervuild was :-). Niet te veel olie erin doen.
Uzman
Very clever, but hey so you never get to mill all the way thru your stock then?....
Hi Ralf, what is reading on your vacuum gauge when you using your table? I made similar table and i have similar vacuum pump but when vacuum is not perfect (less than 30 inch/hg) vacuum pump makes loud noise and starts smoking after a while... So i don't know... bad pump or bad gasket? Did you have that problem? Thanks!
Yes the pump smokes a bit when your oil level is above middle. but it makes almost no noise.. its verry quit.. so thta i dont know. last week i used the pump for 3,5 hours straith and no problems.
the vacuum reading is verry different from the material used.. plastics i have -0,8 to -0,9 bar .. if i use wood it can suck treu the wood and give a bit les reading.. 0,5 below i will not thrust it anymore and use a clamp(s) also
Mooi ontwerp! Waar vind je dat mosrubber van 6mm?
www.odv.nl/webwinkel/5/
hi. i bought one of these vacuums for my epoxy work but mine has so much smoke it makes it impossible to use inside. is yours like that too or am i doing something wrong or is it just not working well? whats your opinion? it does become way less once its sucking and doing its job but by that time the alarms went off each times inside
I was trying to see the specs on the vacuum pump but the motion was to blurry. Can you post a pic of the specs of that pump? I have a pump I use for wood stabilization, but I don't know if my pump is enough.
hello what engine do you use?
What is this material?
What material is the vacuum table made of? Thank!)
Where did you get the tubing and the connectors for the plumbing? And where did you get the neoprene gasket?
tubing and plumbing is from "Festool" but i can buy it in a store closeby
www.odv.nl/ for the rubber
Hello there! Really helpfull video! May I ask you about the diameter off the rubber and the groove specs?
+ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣ ΤΣΩΛΟΣ Hello, 6mm mossrubber in a 5 mm groove
+ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣ ΤΣΩΛΟΣ On my bigger table i have 10 mm moss rubber into a 9 mm groove .. 9,5 mm deep
Could you share the design of vacuum table?
Hi. Where you bought the components for the vacuum table?
local store.. but its all from festo
Ciao mi puoi dire che legno hai usato. Grazie!
Hello. Tell the power of the pump in kW? The size of your desk? The depth of the labyrinth in the table? The size of the square? Thank you
привет, ну ты и спросил, даже я с трудом понял. А я то американец
насчёт твоего вопроса... размер не имеет значения потому что будет зависеть от таго какой мощности у тебя полисос. тоесть чем больше полисос каторый создаёт вакум тем больше размер стола может быть.
глубина паза тоже не важна.
всё просто.
Leuke vacuumplaat :) Heb ik ook ooit gemaakt - eerst uit MDF (wil natuurlijk niet), daarna kunststof. Kunststofversie was best last vanwege smeltend materiaal. Ik zou dat HDF wel eens willen proberen, maar waar koop je dat? Ik kan het (ook bij navraag) als particulier nergens kopen?
Als het klopt is de fabriek failliet en word het niet meer gemaakt. ik heb gelukkig nog een paar volle platen over en ben daar erg zuinig op. HDF is echt GEWELDIG spul. Veel mensen vragen ernaar wereldwijd. Snap niet dat het niet meer gemaakt word.
Ralf Klaassen Ai, dat is jammer. Net zoals de groene mdf platen, die zijn voor een consument zeer slecht verkrijgbaar.
Jammer, kost nauwelijks meer dan de gamma mdf rommel.
Dan maar zoeken naar een nieuw alternatief voor de vacuumplaat :(
Ralf Klaassen hdf kan je gewoon nog kopen, laatst nog besteld via bouwmarkt
Welke dikte? 18 of 20mm?
What is the depth of the channel
What kind of material is the table made from, MDF?
And if, how do you prevent loosing vacuum.
Jan Nielsen material is made of HDF and is verry dense. No airloss because its oiltempered
Ralf Klaassen Thank you for a Quick reply, I thought it was HDF, now I need to find it in 15mm thickness
hello Jan, difficult to find hdf in 15 or 18.. but good luck!!
Super
Looks like your vacuum table is also your spoil board? But then I saw when you were cutting pieces out that you didn't actually go all the way through? How did you get the pieces out if you did t cut all the way through?
I kept 0,5 mm material left too keep the vacuum.. then i hammered it out and use a hand router to fillet the edges.
Ralf Klaassen Like video, like video especially 7:45 ...
Can you tell me specification of vacum pump, and your cost for pump ?
Is any possible to make vacum pump with compressor ?
Nikola Boskovic
vacuum pump cost 62,45 euro excl sending...42 Liter/minute...i buy it from ebay.
Vacuum pump whit extra vaccum compartments is build on this video Making a Vacuum Pump System: Andrew Pitts ~ FurnitureMaker
Thank you for reply. This is not expensive, I was searching vacuum pump, and I can't finde vacuum pump for price under 100 E .:(
Nikola Boskovic Can you send me link link of this vacum pump from ebay?
What kind of wood did you use?? the humidity doesn´t bend it? i need a material that doesn´t deform with the humidity of the envoirment beacause i need to work in PCB that are pretty big...
+Simon Capriles its HDF High-Density Fibre board or HDF board is pressed with a high density. HDF is not a brand name, but generic. The wood fibers are dried and connected by means of resins with each other. This is in contrast to hardboard, wherein the wet fibers are pressed.its oil-temppered.
+Ralf Klaassen I use it for my vacuumtable and stayss perfectly flat.. but i bolted it down on my alumium table...the small vacuum table in the video is 2 times 18 mm with gleu and stay also pretty flat.
Hdf of 18 mm thickness is hard to find...i still have some m2 of it and use it for templates
Have you CAD files ?
I would like to build such a vacuum table where can I find those files
Me too
So vacuum table is to hold items down? I thought it was to clean the dust from machining ....
what is the make and model of your cnc machine?
Gator Prepper Its a do-it-yourself cnc..i designed it..and used differend parts from different manufacturer
Can you tell us the dime dimensions of the slots you used on this desigh and the port size.
Brad Selph slots are 5 mm and i use 6mm mossrubber. port size is 8 or 10 mm..not sure anymore
Nice work! Is it possible to do the same with MDF board ?
ShaggyRmz Yes it's possible but I wouldn't recommend it. MDF board allows airflow to flow through the board which defeats the point of milling all the vacuum slots. Usually you have a vacuum table like shown and put MDF board on top, then add your material to the top of that to route. This way, you can cut through the material into the MDF board and not damage your vacuum table.
I'll try to make MDF vacuum table cause there is no HDF in such thickness and i saw some other guys making table out of MDF so Ill gave it a try... if that does not work ill buy Aluminium table... :) Thank you for answer !
HDF board isn't the only material you can use either. Some hard composite materials will work fine like Phenolic. Either way, pretty sure you would be wasting your time on the MDF vacuum table.
Do you have cut files you want to share? Thanks
Could you write a list of components and materials that you use on this project please?... I only know that you used a vacuum pump, MDF, glue, CNC, but i don't know the name of the component 6:26 :/
José Manuel Martínez Valdez These components are from FESTOOL.. i dont know the name of it..but i think you can find it on the net.. hope it helps, greetz, ralf
Thank you!!... That helped me a lot!!
any chance i could get a copy of the cad files
Sorry, cant find them anymore
WHAT IS THE SPECIFICATION OF YOUR VACUUME PUMP?
How much would you charge for making one for me ? :) If you still would be able to do them?
How is the material. HDF is produced only 6mm
+Piotr Kąkol I have 18 mm hdf.. but its hard too find it!
Guess I should have read the comments, before I asked that question.
Oli vacume pomp and MDF. Makes a lot of oil mist I guess.
What's the material used ?
HDF Material
Thanks
hello you can share the cad drawing ?
what is the black rubber?
Jacob Matius mossrubber
is it round shape? and your vacuum pump u using is what CFM? my final year project is on vacuum clamping but now
im on dead end
How you make threads on wood?
this is hdf wood.. its verry hard and tough
I have MDF, is it possible to make it from MDF and then coat the MDF with some epoxy resin?
yes, i think its possible
Hello. Use a thin superglue (cyanoacrylate). Make the holes, and the threads apply glue and activator and then rethread. They get super strong :)
TR
Try look for medite exterior mdf
Hi Can I have some details
Please give CAD file link
can u post the DXF file plz
sorry, i dont share my plans anymore.
Fancy visual effects and writing scrolling across the screen , very distracting turned off half way through.
i lost my time see it
Interesting information. Awful video.
I would have preferred not to have all the "cheesey" transitions in the video!
would you be willing to share your CAD files for this?