I love Woods face throughout this video. He looks so defeated, disappointed, upset, heartbroken, cringe, and exhausted 😭🤣😂 poor wood, this tier list took a lot out of him
Hearing woods talk about how his anxiety was a barrier to doing the podcast but overcoming it makes me feel much more confident in dealing with my own anxiety. Thank you.
I had tons of anxiety many years ago and confronting it head on and exposing myself to those situations that were making me anxious, slowly and gradually, is what made me overcome it. Also some behavioral therapy, of course, that's the first thing.
I usually hate remote podcast kind of things, but the way you guys did that split screen with the centerpiece being the same tricked my mind into forgetting it was remote. That was a genius idea and worked flawlessly.
@@anthonypearce5389 They are here, but there were a couple in the past where they both had the same center table and each put a switch on it in the same place. The switches were even different, but they did it where they still looked at each other like they were in the room, I'm guessing the video call was in the same place in the room that the other would normally be, but it took me almost the entire video the first time to notice they weren't in the same room.
Oracle of Ages and Seasons are NOT the same game. They are literally 2 different games that are tied together by a theme / release date. Also, Capcom killed it with these games, they are incredible.
It makes sense to put them together, as they tell one full story. I personally don't consider the adventure/experience over until I defeat Ganon at the end.
Yeah honestly nobody in this room knows enough about zelda to be making a tier list. bob openly talks about not having beaten those two games, and he thinks four swords and four swords adventures are the same game. He also didn't know that capcom made the oracles games.
Bob's unpopular opinion about OoT was honestly the only interesting part. What's the point of ranking a bunch of games you haven't even played? There's no discussion to be had about that, it just seemed arbitrary
Death, taxes, and Zelda die-hards being unable to handle the concept that some people don’t like Zelda games. Bob’s list is S-tier, this episode is S-tier, Wood’s tears are S-tier, OOT is C-tier. 👍
Lol I remember when bob was on twitch playing ocarina of time, i just got on and he was trying to find the chickens and I said how do you not know where the chickens were and he got mad and said he’s never played the damn game that’s how… lol Bob just really doesn’t like ocarina…
That was not being a good friend on display. That was very insensitive. I hope Bob can sincerely apologize to Wood sometime down the road. I hope Wood can move past this one day. Bob was clearly causing Wood physical pain. That was a very painful half hour to watch. I understand you cannot have the same opinions on everything, especially when you have different life experiences. I don’t blame Wood for having trouble doing onsite podcasts when they crap all you and the things you clearly love and cherish. Wood if you’re reading this, alcohol can alter your mood and is not the answer just like caffeine. They both can cause you anxiety and depression in different ways. Continue your steps to recovery and have honest conversations with Bob on the side. I suspect Zelda was Wood’s safe space back in the day and a way he coped, and it’s tough to see your things in such a way. Hang in there team Nontendo.
Hot take: I totally agree with Bob on the Ocarina of Time ranking. That game is so overrated. Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild surpassed it in every way. If you like this game, please don't get mad, my opinion is just another of the millions on the internet.
As someone who didn't grow up with N64 and Nes games I agree with Bob. Trying to play ocarina of time as someone whos grown up with more powerful consoles is a little hard. I don't care too much about graphics but compared to ocarina of time pixel graphics are easier to enjoy.
People keep forgetting that in Spirit Tracks you have a companion. Zelda as a semi-playable companion with actual story significance is one of the best things about that game.
To be nitpicky about the comment from someone behind the camera about how "one of the npcs says i am error cause it doesn't load right" if i remember correctly, there was a "Did you know gaming" about that detail, wherein it's actually a programming joke because the other npc says "I am Bagu" a supposed mistranslation of japanese for "Bug", based on the written form of the japanese word. Or i could be completely misremembering, who knows.........but it wasn't for the guy loading improperly that's for sure ^^;;;;
Zelda II is actually one of my S tier Zelda games, it’s the black sheep because it’s much different, but the difference and difficulty ramp is why I loved it
As a Wulffden subscriber, someone who hasn't played any Zelda games, and a person who loves watching these two banter/ watching Wood get upset, this is my favorite Nontendo Podcast episode so far. I've watched it 4 times now 😂
Its glad that someone in the video game space has the same opinions and experience with me about Ocarina of Time. Played it at friends houses when younger didn't get it. Played 3DS version, stopped playing. Went back to it years later beat it and I think overall its okay, but I agree with Bob with his complaints about it. Also Wood is right too that the over hype of the game over the years does not help. Its tough to say anything bad about OOT because you just get shut down by people who have nostalgia for it
Not everyone is gunna like a game, every game has flaws But Ocarina did so much for video games as a medium and was the single most magical game ever created at the time It may not be quite what it once was, but what it did and how it made people feel is truly special But you’re totally valid for not enjoying it or thinking it’s overrated, because at this point…it is
Exactly, not sure what Skoot was on about @1:03:00, Tulin (the little bird guy in the TotK trailers) is from BotW not AoC. He wouldn't have been alive yet in AoC
I mean obviously this list is nonsense, but the DS games have some of the coolest little design things. They used the touch screen in really cool ways like drawing maps and drawing the path for the boomerang, and there was interaction between some of the items which I don't think we'd had previously in zelda (and didn't again until BOTW?). Also, for all its flaws, Skyward Sword has hands down the best dungeon design and was the first Zelda to have a fully orchestrated soundtrack.
I am not an angry person. But this made me pretty mad. C tier, for the best one. Out of your mind. Also my hot take is if you love the new ones you don't like zelda games all that much, you like open world games. Which is fine, but they are nowhere near the best zelda games.
Bob is right, Ocarina of Time and Majora's isn't that great. but people still see it with nostalgia glasses and scream at you because you disagree. Just look at wood's reaction.
A lot of peoples issues i see with a lot of people who dislike certain Zelda games boils down to them being bad at the game. Like skyward sword motion controls, spacial awareness of ocarina and majora, dungeons and combat of lttp.
Cannot believe its been almost a year since you both started this amazing podcast! I've listened to every single one of them and cannot wait to continue watching you both weekly!
Best tier list ever, I'm tired of people putting games in the same spot over and over like if they were afraid of saying "hey you know what ocarina actually sucks", just because the game meant something at the time (and the same goes for FF7) doesn't mean it has to be all the time in every tier list in existence.
Between having the one guy in the room who has played barely any Zelda games make the tier list so it results in him incorrectly label the few games he has played and rate the others based solely on how he thinks they look….and other people in the room not knowing what a fetch quest is and telling him that certain games are “just large fetch quests” when the fetch quest(s) in those games can be completely ignored…. This episode was just painful to watch. And I seriously hope Wood makes his own tier list so people who haven’t played the games can get a more accurate description and ranking of these games.
As someone who never played any Zelda game, I almost 100% agree with the list. The only change I would make is I would put Majora's mask maybe in A. The theme seems very cool
Why rank a franchise you've played very few of the games. 1. Breath of the Wild 2. Ocarina of Time 3. Twilight Princess 4. A Link to the Past 5. Tears of the Kingdom 6. Minish Cap 7. A Link Between Worlds 8. Majora's Mask 9. Skyward Sword 10. Wind Waker 11. Oracle of Ages/ Seasons 12. Links Awakening 13. The Legend of Zelda 14. Zelda II Adventures of Link 15. Four Swords Adventure 16. Spirit Tracks 17. Phantom Hourglass I'm a big fan and subscriber of your channel Beatemups but please don't let this guy Bob rank Zelda games anymore. I've been playing since 1986 when the original was released in the States. It's my all time favorite franchise and I'm so invested that when I first saw the Temple of Time in BOTW I got sad. Bob's list gave me anxiety and gave me a migraine. Trying to understand his logic I almost had a stroke and died 😜
IMO bob is being so brutally honest that while i love OoT that really was my experience with it as well. Nothing he said didnt happen to me i was just 12 and it was a game so i remember it was amazing but i struggled in the same ways ha
I’m with Bob on Ocarina. I tried playing it on N64, 3DS, and the virtual console and I just couldn’t finish it. I appreciate the love it has, but those that won’t even entertain that someone else has a differing opinion also ruin it’s hype.
I agree that the N64 version is clunky and hard to get through. However I think the 3DS version totally fixed these issues and I absolutely love that version!
Skyward Sword on dolphin is really good and the wii mote with either more powerful hardware or better bluetooth makes it feel really good one of my favorites just cause the wii mote and sword stuff feels naturally
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Bobs been ranking on me since he could talk #wulffdendad
no
Not at all.
😂meow
yes
Bingle slowly realizing how insane this tier list is as he puts them up is great comedy
yes
54:52 tingle just like 🤯😂
27:00 tier list starts
Thank you
I love Woods face throughout this video. He looks so defeated, disappointed, upset, heartbroken, cringe, and exhausted 😭🤣😂 poor wood, this tier list took a lot out of him
Love how the first half was “this relationship is so much better now”…then the rankings started
Hearing woods talk about how his anxiety was a barrier to doing the podcast but overcoming it makes me feel much more confident in dealing with my own anxiety. Thank you.
I had tons of anxiety many years ago and confronting it head on and exposing myself to those situations that were making me anxious, slowly and gradually, is what made me overcome it. Also some behavioral therapy, of course, that's the first thing.
Cool story
I love that too and then he has more anxiety now from Bob's list.
39:40 Wood's smile turned into a frown when Bob put Ocarina of Time in C
Woods eyes slowly losing their shine as Bob kept on talking was truly a cinematic experience
I usually hate remote podcast kind of things, but the way you guys did that split screen with the centerpiece being the same tricked my mind into forgetting it was remote. That was a genius idea and worked flawlessly.
wait wtf they arent in the same room? lol
@@anthonypearce5389 They are here, but there were a couple in the past where they both had the same center table and each put a switch on it in the same place. The switches were even different, but they did it where they still looked at each other like they were in the room, I'm guessing the video call was in the same place in the room that the other would normally be, but it took me almost the entire video the first time to notice they weren't in the same room.
@@xXZombieHunter0802Xx They did a couple where they green screened Wood into the chair he's sitting on here.
@@rafa96aar I honestly didn't even realize, they hid it really well
They are both sexy milfs
Bob's acting in this was incredible, he really made me FEEL like having an aneurysm. Such talent, 10/10, looking forward to the Mario rankings.
Acting??
What acting??
There was no acting, silly head
Oracle of Ages and Seasons are NOT the same game. They are literally 2 different games that are tied together by a theme / release date. Also, Capcom killed it with these games, they are incredible.
Was my first Zelda back in the days. Struggled so hard as a kid :D
It makes sense to put them together, as they tell one full story. I personally don't consider the adventure/experience over until I defeat Ganon at the end.
Yeah honestly nobody in this room knows enough about zelda to be making a tier list. bob openly talks about not having beaten those two games, and he thinks four swords and four swords adventures are the same game. He also didn't know that capcom made the oracles games.
@@WindMageMaster They are totally different games that have a superficial final boss thrown in at the end
@@phili58 They are different. But they are a set that is paired together.
I feel like Bob was trolling Wood the whole time 😂
I HOPE so
Bob really is determined to get the pod canceled before 52 episodes
54:03 Why did Bob's copy of Twilight Princess cost $60?
Bro Bob is right about oot COMPLETELY! Decent at best but not good enough to come back for it.
This and the Mario tier list shows how opposite Bob and Wood would are
Ocarina of time is definitely C. Great job Bob!
As far as I’m concerned these rankings are objectively correct
Seeing Twilight Princess soo low really hurts. And I love playing Ocarine of time even now.
Lowkey the best zelda game
Bob's manspread game is definitely S-tier.
starts at 26:30 or so
Thank you! :D
Wood was trying his hardest not to choke bob out throughout this entire video lol
Bob's unpopular opinion about OoT was honestly the only interesting part. What's the point of ranking a bunch of games you haven't even played? There's no discussion to be had about that, it just seemed arbitrary
Not liking something popular I can understand, but this was a lot of arbitrary arguing that wasn’t all that fun to listen to…
Death, taxes, and Zelda die-hards being unable to handle the concept that some people don’t like Zelda games. Bob’s list is S-tier, this episode is S-tier, Wood’s tears are S-tier, OOT is C-tier. 👍
Lol I remember when bob was on twitch playing ocarina of time, i just got on and he was trying to find the chickens and I said how do you not know where the chickens were and he got mad and said he’s never played the damn game that’s how… lol Bob just really doesn’t like ocarina…
I’m not a big podcast guy and ik they are long. But this was just really off topic at the start
That was not being a good friend on display. That was very insensitive. I hope Bob can sincerely apologize to Wood sometime down the road. I hope Wood can move past this one day. Bob was clearly causing Wood physical pain. That was a very painful half hour to watch. I understand you cannot have the same opinions on everything, especially when you have different life experiences. I don’t blame Wood for having trouble doing onsite podcasts when they crap all you and the things you clearly love and cherish. Wood if you’re reading this, alcohol can alter your mood and is not the answer just like caffeine. They both can cause you anxiety and depression in different ways. Continue your steps to recovery and have honest conversations with Bob on the side. I suspect Zelda was Wood’s safe space back in the day and a way he coped, and it’s tough to see your things in such a way. Hang in there team Nontendo.
It’s funny to listen about the TOTK story now. They had all the pieces, but built a different car.
Hot take: I totally agree with Bob on the Ocarina of Time ranking. That game is so overrated. Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild surpassed it in every way. If you like this game, please don't get mad, my opinion is just another of the millions on the internet.
46:03 I lost my marbles when skoot started laughing 😂😂😂
As someone who didn't grow up with N64 and Nes games I agree with Bob. Trying to play ocarina of time as someone whos grown up with more powerful consoles is a little hard. I don't care too much about graphics but compared to ocarina of time pixel graphics are easier to enjoy.
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play the 3ds one then
1:03:07 uh that’s tulin, he was the son of teba who was the champion descendant in botw and was in the game, just for info peeps
WOW 50 eps already?! Time is fast! Hope you get to 100!
I feel like I would like Bob's tier list more than the one Wood would make for some reason.
Let’s be honest. No you wouldn’t. His list is so bad lol
Wood's tier list would be very generic.
@@NotHappiestFeet butthurt?
@@carlospandette8001 Exactly, Woods tier list is just the general consensus online that would please everyone.
People keep forgetting that in Spirit Tracks you have a companion. Zelda as a semi-playable companion with actual story significance is one of the best things about that game.
This is the most cursed Zelda tier list I've ever seen.
This tier list is better than Wood’s Mario list.
To be nitpicky about the comment from someone behind the camera about how "one of the npcs says i am error cause it doesn't load right" if i remember correctly, there was a "Did you know gaming" about that detail, wherein it's actually a programming joke because the other npc says "I am Bagu" a supposed mistranslation of japanese for "Bug", based on the written form of the japanese word.
Or i could be completely misremembering, who knows.........but it wasn't for the guy loading improperly that's for sure ^^;;;;
Zelda II is actually one of my S tier Zelda games, it’s the black sheep because it’s much different, but the difference and difficulty ramp is why I loved it
So crushed early on since they BOTH don’t love it 😢 I love this game as hard as I love OOT and BOTW/TOTK but for opposite reasons…sigh…
The soul leaving everyones eyes as the tierlist progressed killed me lmfao
Seasons Better Than Ocarina Is So Painful To My Eyes!
Ocarina is bad though
Seasons is better though
Loool seasons IS actually better
All gameboy Zelda’s were better than 64 Zelda’s.
56:37 it doesn’t suck Bob, it BLOWS
Oot at c genuinely made me recoil in my chair
the great inquisition of bob while the tension in the room spikes every time bob speaks about his time with Zelda games. hilarious
How can you make a tier list and not play half the games!?
As a Wulffden subscriber, someone who hasn't played any Zelda games, and a person who loves watching these two banter/ watching Wood get upset, this is my favorite Nontendo Podcast episode so far. I've watched it 4 times now 😂
Majora's mask is A tier and you know it god damnit
“I’m wondering who I need to talk to get the story rolling” that’s literally the exact same as a Link to the Past.
Its glad that someone in the video game space has the same opinions and experience with me about Ocarina of Time. Played it at friends houses when younger didn't get it. Played 3DS version, stopped playing. Went back to it years later beat it and I think overall its okay, but I agree with Bob with his complaints about it. Also Wood is right too that the over hype of the game over the years does not help. Its tough to say anything bad about OOT because you just get shut down by people who have nostalgia for it
Not everyone is gunna like a game, every game has flaws
But Ocarina did so much for video games as a medium and was the single most magical game ever created at the time
It may not be quite what it once was, but what it did and how it made people feel is truly special
But you’re totally valid for not enjoying it or thinking it’s overrated, because at this point…it is
The little bird guy Tulin and his father Teba is in BotW too. He's just older in TotK like everyone else and Teba is most likly home with his wife.
Exactly, not sure what Skoot was on about @1:03:00, Tulin (the little bird guy in the TotK trailers) is from BotW not AoC. He wouldn't have been alive yet in AoC
The hype I feel for TOTK is so strong and I'm all here for it. Be a long time before we get this feeling again.
17:21 was so epic. Lmao "little blue puppet" hahaha
I 100% agree with you about Ocarina of Time lol
It’s amazing that a franchise this old arguably has no bad games. Worse games than others yes. But none of them are bad
I hope this podcast never ends
I mean obviously this list is nonsense, but the DS games have some of the coolest little design things. They used the touch screen in really cool ways like drawing maps and drawing the path for the boomerang, and there was interaction between some of the items which I don't think we'd had previously in zelda (and didn't again until BOTW?).
Also, for all its flaws, Skyward Sword has hands down the best dungeon design and was the first Zelda to have a fully orchestrated soundtrack.
LOL I LOVE Zelda, I could feel Woods pain LMAO 😆😆😆
LMAO my guy Bob had me crying this episode 🤣🤣. The reasoning for his rankings were way too funny! Woods reaction was priceless 🤣😂😭😭
I loved just watching Wood slowly die on the inside.
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Come for the Nintendo stay for the Nontendo
Amazing podcast as usual! Center table not being level was getting to me though 🤣
I am not an angry person. But this made me pretty mad. C tier, for the best one. Out of your mind. Also my hot take is if you love the new ones you don't like zelda games all that much, you like open world games. Which is fine, but they are nowhere near the best zelda games.
If Wulf played all the games Link Between Worlds would be his favorite. Great game!!
Bob is right, Ocarina of Time and Majora's isn't that great. but people still see it with nostalgia glasses and scream at you because you disagree. Just look at wood's reaction.
A lot of peoples issues i see with a lot of people who dislike certain Zelda games boils down to them being bad at the game. Like skyward sword motion controls, spacial awareness of ocarina and majora, dungeons and combat of lttp.
Play I don’t know about the other games but the motion mechanics in skyward sword NEVER worked for me lol
@@Procrastination21345that’s crazy because they never not worked for me.
Cannot believe its been almost a year since you both started this amazing podcast! I've listened to every single one of them and cannot wait to continue watching you both weekly!
Couldve named the episode Tierlist of the Kingdom but no one asked for my opinion.
Best tier list ever, I'm tired of people putting games in the same spot over and over like if they were afraid of saying "hey you know what ocarina actually sucks", just because the game meant something at the time (and the same goes for FF7) doesn't mean it has to be all the time in every tier list in existence.
Episode FIFTY?!? You’re telling me this podcasts been going on for almost a year already??🤯
I'm really curious to see where some of my favorite Mario games rank now after watching this episode.
Between having the one guy in the room who has played barely any Zelda games make the tier list so it results in him incorrectly label the few games he has played and rate the others based solely on how he thinks they look….and other people in the room not knowing what a fetch quest is and telling him that certain games are “just large fetch quests” when the fetch quest(s) in those games can be completely ignored….
This episode was just painful to watch. And I seriously hope Wood makes his own tier list so people who haven’t played the games can get a more accurate description and ranking of these games.
Wood will have his revenge when the Mario tier list happens
Minish Cap was my favorite one as a child.
As someone who never played any Zelda game, I almost 100% agree with the list. The only change I would make is I would put Majora's mask maybe in A. The theme seems very cool
Woods face throughout the whole video!!!!! He is receiving emotional damage lol 😭😆.
When he said 4 swords looked fun i think woods world crumbled to dust at that point 😂
Bob is one unique character and I love him.
Bob's personality is, "Let's get this over with."
Biscuits was a great!
I know Wood dies inside late into the video, but the beginning is very wholesome haha, then talking about becoming closer. Very nice
Wood looked so scared talking about Ocarina of Time
I missed 20 or 30 episodes but I remember when you guys started an thinking hey, look at them.
I have never disliked a video ever in my live until this moment. I feel sick inside for so many reason. Thanks Bob.
Wood's death stare is amazing lol!
@Wood... please make your own to fix my sadness.
Ok I came back to rewatch. Wood is in pain. We are ok. I feel your pain sir.
Good thing I got link between worlds before the shop closed
If you don't want TotK spoilers just skip from like 17:00 to 23:30
I didn't hear any spoiler, all were in the official trailers. Unless you meant anything about the game (before leaks) is a spoiler
@@GoldChocobo77 Yeah, anything about the game, not leaks. Some people just want to go in fresh :)
@@zeikjt fair
27:12 is when the actual ranking starts
Why rank a franchise you've played very few of the games.
1. Breath of the Wild
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Twilight Princess
4. A Link to the Past
5. Tears of the Kingdom
6. Minish Cap
7. A Link Between Worlds
8. Majora's Mask
9. Skyward Sword
10. Wind Waker
11. Oracle of Ages/ Seasons
12. Links Awakening
13. The Legend of Zelda
14. Zelda II Adventures of Link
15. Four Swords Adventure
16. Spirit Tracks
17. Phantom Hourglass
I'm a big fan and subscriber of your channel Beatemups but please don't let this guy Bob rank Zelda games anymore. I've been playing since 1986 when the original was released in the States. It's my all time favorite franchise and I'm so invested that when I first saw the Temple of Time in BOTW I got sad. Bob's list gave me anxiety and gave me a migraine. Trying to understand his logic I almost had a stroke and died 😜
"This episode is definitely not going to be an hour"
Breath of the wild, ocarina of time, Link to the past, Links awakening are my faves
The thumbnail makes me want to see you guys rent a convertible and reenact that Nicholas Cage and Pedro Pascal meme
I was not ready for this Bob T.T I wasn't ready!!!
Please bring Billy and Jay from Game Chasers onto this podcast!
IMO bob is being so brutally honest that while i love OoT that really was my experience with it as well. Nothing he said didnt happen to me i was just 12 and it was a game so i remember it was amazing but i struggled in the same ways ha
I’m with Bob on Ocarina. I tried playing it on N64, 3DS, and the virtual console and I just couldn’t finish it. I appreciate the love it has, but those that won’t even entertain that someone else has a differing opinion also ruin it’s hype.
I agree that the N64 version is clunky and hard to get through. However I think the 3DS version totally fixed these issues and I absolutely love that version!
@@Lexi-M Might pick it up.
On that day Bob lost all his friends
I would put every Zelda game in S or A tier. I love all of them except tri-force heroes
My exact thought
Skyward Sword on dolphin is really good and the wii mote with either more powerful hardware or better bluetooth makes it feel really good one of my favorites just cause the wii mote and sword stuff feels naturally
Episode 64 should be called "Nontendo 64"