Handling Rejection - Intentionally Blank Ep. 183

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  • @UdyKumra
    @UdyKumra 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +216

    Ayo that’s my rejection letter! It felt REALLY good. I’m really pleased about it. 🎉

    • @TheEvilmanikin
      @TheEvilmanikin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Now I want to read the book

    • @UdyKumra
      @UdyKumra 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@TheEvilmanikin It's actually a short story, not a novel. If it's not accepted by any markets, I'll be happy to share it with people.

    • @billyalarie929
      @billyalarie929 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    • @evanlane1690
      @evanlane1690 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Congrats, Udy! I don't know you, but I'm proud of the work you're putting in! I know the industry is insanely tough, and it sounds like you're getting some traction. Good luck, and I hope I get to see your name in print some day soon.

    • @DustbunnyJohnson
      @DustbunnyJohnson 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Congrats!!!

  • @thedreamforgechannel
    @thedreamforgechannel 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Udy, I remember your story. Honestly, it took us years of painful learning to craft our "return" letters, and not everyone gets one this detailed, but still wow! Nice to hear it's appreciated.

  • @Mr_POO-5673
    @Mr_POO-5673 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +154

    STORMLIGHT 5 IN TWO DAYS!!!!

    • @joshyaash
      @joshyaash 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      cannot wait

    • @captain4318
      @captain4318 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Crazy, isn't it!?

    • @erikpidgen3597
      @erikpidgen3597 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Pre oreddddderrrred!

    • @joeybelasco
      @joeybelasco 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I NEED ITT

    • @Hoid_Wit
      @Hoid_Wit 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not for me because amazon is despicable 😢😂

  • @flo1794
    @flo1794 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +108

    only 6 months left until the Arcane season 2 discussion episode

  • @authorjcbybee
    @authorjcbybee 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +66

    "Got Dear Johned by a bunch of Science fiction magazines," is an awesome line

    • @kaimcdragonfist4803
      @kaimcdragonfist4803 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I dunno if that’s better or worse than when a guy in my MTC zone got dumped two weeks after Christmas tbh

  • @A.Campbell
    @A.Campbell 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +69

    When it comes to rejection, my dating life prepared me for my writing life

  • @mycointhetrees
    @mycointhetrees 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    dan standing up at dinner as a child declaring
    “You are looking at an author now!” is indeed very in character.
    thanks for not stopping dan. we love ya!

  • @spintherella
    @spintherella 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The fact that you posted this episode with this topic today is kind of amazing. I am a Norwegian author and, I got rejected some financial support for my book today and it really bummed me out. So thanks guys❤ I needed this.

  • @kadehornsby8133
    @kadehornsby8133 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Thank you for releasing an episode so soon after the last. My cat passed this Sunday and I needed some comfort ❤️ thank you to everyone involved in this production. And rest in peace my sweet baby Athens. It was an amazing privilege to have loved and been loved by you.

    • @SvanMagic
      @SvanMagic 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm so sorry about your loss. I hope you find peace soon.

  • @bentupolo
    @bentupolo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    That "Alright. I'll do it myself" was a low key cold as he'll flex 😂😂😂

  • @BrightFamily12
    @BrightFamily12 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just because of a few fun connections:
    I began studying how to tell stories a little over 10 years ago. Writing Excuses was critical to my education. Thanks Brandon and Dan (and Howard and Mary)!
    I did a patreon sort of thing to get critiques from Dan. His commentary was extremely helpful (and sometimes BRUTAL).
    AND I have sold a story to Dreamforge. They are wonderful. Go support them!

  • @ScottBatson
    @ScottBatson 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    As someone who has received a lot of canned rejections, getting a personalized one definitely feels like a win. I've had a few of them and they've told me I had a story that was close. Uncanny Magazine gave me a really nice rejection spelling out what was missing from a short story of mine. I sold it a couple of of months later for $500 (which is a lot for a little scifi story!).
    The real downside is that you often have to wait several months for a rejection 🙃

  • @samhunter8215
    @samhunter8215 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    On page 180 of WAOK and just want to say thank you Sanderson for all your writing. Helped me loads with my mental health

  • @ezmoore27
    @ezmoore27 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    "I'll do it myself". I really want to see a Thanos meme with Brandon's face on the mad titan's body taking up the infinity gauntlet.

    • @adoniscreed4031
      @adoniscreed4031 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But the infinity stones are replaced by the secret projects 😂

  • @octavia458
    @octavia458 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I had an agent say they were interested in my full manuscript, but then they said they were too busy to read it. That’s my best rejection story haha.

  • @OldRod99
    @OldRod99 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    "Laminated Roll of Rejections" sounds like the worst Christmas gift ever LOL

  • @DrthFel
    @DrthFel 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The publishing industry isn’t the only industry that refuses to move into the 21st Century. The health care industry still insists upon using fax machines (invented in 1843). I point-blank refused to fax a single document to a surgeon’s office post-back surgery. I told them I would email it or text it, but I wasn’t going to drive 30 miles to look for a fax machine, especially when they had forbidden me from driving for 2 months! They eventually gave me an email address to which I could send all documents. Apparently it was specifically created for patients to send medical records/information, but they could not be bothered to check it!

  • @cregkly5444
    @cregkly5444 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    A night of blacker darkness is hilarious! ❤

  • @starwarsrob4785
    @starwarsrob4785 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was just honored to meet the one and only Adam thank you for all the hard work you do!

  • @kettanaito
    @kettanaito 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Coincidentally, just got my first ever rejection!
    One step closer to becoming a published author.

  • @voidsabre_
    @voidsabre_ 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    8:05 shows how good Joshua is at spotting a potential success

  • @christopherthis
    @christopherthis 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brandon's taking shots at the industry and I love it!

  • @yelenamijares7821
    @yelenamijares7821 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's not what the pitch promises' is the best pitch I'll be buying into. Thank you for that.

  • @pretty5793
    @pretty5793 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Brandon’s rejection letters would have been your stories are very long….very very very long 😂….now they regret not publishing 😅 thank you for sharing and keeping up Brandon…I wouldn’t have loved fantasy as much as I do now without your stories.

  • @Cerul3dge
    @Cerul3dge 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    JOURNEY BEFORE DESTINATION

  • @michaelvcelentano
    @michaelvcelentano 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Definitely needed to hear this…the opera industry is a mess right now and trying to move into professional work is a lot of unkind rejection, all the time

  • @Paul_McSeol
    @Paul_McSeol 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Your family opening and reading and then sending them in bulk is some dark stuff, man. Your family game nights must have been intense.

  • @Shelf-Esteem
    @Shelf-Esteem 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    People get rejection lettters?! I just get silence 😂😅

    • @kaimcdragonfist4803
      @kaimcdragonfist4803 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I’ve gotten a few.
      They’ve almost all been form letters besides one where she said something just wasn’t clicking for her, but even then she wasn’t specific so maybe that was also a form letter

  • @joshhickeysmoviereviews
    @joshhickeysmoviereviews 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    2 more days until Wind and Truth!!!!!!!!!!! Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @fgnsfgnsfgn
    @fgnsfgnsfgn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    loved this episode

  • @DoliSkipper
    @DoliSkipper 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I suppose a natural follow up to this subject is "Authors who were rejected initially", but then went on to have enormously successful careers, like say Stephen King (who famously threw 'Carrie' in the trash), or Frank Herbert, who shopped around 'Dune' to some 20 different publishers and got rejected every time (until a car repair manual printing company picked up 'Dune', and that particular editor was then fired in turn, cause 'Dune' sold too poorly...initially ofc! All in all, a fascinating subject!)

    • @rmsgrey
      @rmsgrey 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      The trouble with your proposed topic is that it's a long-winded way of saying "authors". There might be one or two authors who genuinely never got a rejection letter, but they are going to be the tiny minority - or entirely self-published.
      TH-camr Jill Bearup released a video today of a Q&A session she did as part of promoting her book. She did a series of TH-cam shorts, about a novelist trying to write a low-magic fantasy novel (ie pop-culture medieval vibes, but you can't tell her she got anything wrong because it's technically a made up world so it works the way she says it does - but no actual magic anywhere in sight) and arguing with her heroine about the expected tropes of fantasy-romance. People said she should turn them into an actual book, so she did, and got approached by publishers asking to see the manuscript, only to turn around and say "it's a great book, but we can't market it" because it's too critical of the tropes to be a standard romance, doesn't have enough fantasy to be a fantasy, doesn't have enough literary aspirations to be literature, and the meta/contemporary stuff doesn't fit into any standard categories either...
      So even when publishers were directly approaching her to ask to read it, Jill still got rejection letters. Anyone having to actually go looking for a publisher is going to be even more likely to get rejections.

  • @SageVO
    @SageVO 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Doing VO, my early teacher told me, "Your job is to send out auditions. If you worry about everything you don't get, you'll drive yourself crazy." It's basically all rejections, lol.

  • @markminson4708
    @markminson4708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've only had one rejection, the one time I tried to submit my book. To be fair, I didn't know how to market it. I didn't understand my pitch at the time, so poor Lisa Mangum thought it was a book about a magic school (aka HP and Hogwarts) and probably didn't read it. It's sooo NOT about that at all. However, I'm glad I self-published at the time because it allowed me some freedom to hone my writing, make some changes as I worked through the whole story arc and eventually make book 1 something people like to read.
    But I won a silver in the Writer's of the Future. I won some poetry contests in high school. But Brandon, my prose was so crappy in high school, I never saw myself writing a book. I didn't start working on making it better until 2009. I was 32. I still have a ton to learn and need to spend more time writing. However, one of my favorite sayings is: Failure is when you stop trying. I love the idea that I'm a success (at least on a personal level) as long as I keep working at it to make it better. Who knows, someday it might translate into money or something? But it never will have that chance if I stop trying.

  • @gerhardfehr6238
    @gerhardfehr6238 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I remember your Dad from one of these episodes, reminded me of my Dad. He had no problem opening my mail either. Haha

  • @randomdude4505
    @randomdude4505 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    The law does not care if the other guy is a bad person if you actually violated the law. "But judge, they didn't give me the raise I was promised so I was just taking what was owed to me." Is not a winning argument. That is not a hypothetical, it's from a case I actually worked on. I also worked on a case that factually revolved around the ownership of a live chicken, just one chicken. I've had a weird legal career.

    • @ethanalvi2187
      @ethanalvi2187 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's actually a very insightful example

  • @brewster_4
    @brewster_4 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I really hope this episode ends with
    "You know who I got rejected by... Ben"
    "How about that"

  • @dbmeboy
    @dbmeboy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Watching from my hotel room at Dragonsteel Nexus 😁

  • @Leone_Ottr
    @Leone_Ottr 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Fun thing. I love Brandon Books much more, but i am much more Dan like person.

  • @michealwillis963
    @michealwillis963 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I started writing when I was 7, but never really told anyone about it. By time I was in my 30s, I became serious about it.

  • @andrewjohnson4631
    @andrewjohnson4631 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hahaha Martin is like dont use a big magic explosion ending - then allows The last season of the GOT show to happen. Too funny.

  • @crispyquesadilla
    @crispyquesadilla 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So the reason Amazon has been able to avoid anti-trust litigation is their low prices. They dominate the e-book market with low prices, publishers were trying to use price-fixing to keep prices high. The courts and the DoJ/FTC don't really care too much about monopolies as long as those monopolies are keeping prices low and customers happy.

  • @SoyElDiabloRojo
    @SoyElDiabloRojo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    If only we could all save our life’s rejections in a giant laminated roll of shame… wait, what were we talking about again? …oh.

  • @superiorgo2368
    @superiorgo2368 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You might be happy to hear the best rejection I ever got was from Lauren at Leading Edge. I still look back on it every few months fondly.

  • @nordicsoda9514
    @nordicsoda9514 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Patiently waiting for a Cosmere show or movie

    • @ishmailakalbila7097
      @ishmailakalbila7097 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Which stories would you prefer as animation or live action

  • @victorialeedixon
    @victorialeedixon 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Scot writes awesome rejection letters.

  • @gubwump
    @gubwump 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There is a translation guide to rejection letters interpretation in Scott Eddlestein's 30 Steps to Becoming a Writer... particularly for weirdly aggressive letters. It's in the back near the appendices. Unsure if it is in all editions.

  • @zenthepoet.
    @zenthepoet. 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Adoooonalsium

    • @matnat707
      @matnat707 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ?

    • @matnat707
      @matnat707 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      may he remember our plight eventually

    • @pretty5793
      @pretty5793 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Adonalsium-Will-Remember-Our-Plight-Eventually should be a world-hopper

  • @kaimcdragonfist4803
    @kaimcdragonfist4803 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Oh my gosh getting a box of rejection letters in the MTC sounds horrible 😂 especially since you were probably stuck there for like three months like I was for Korea in 2010

  • @gentleslice6489
    @gentleslice6489 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Cant wait for them to watch arcane s02 in 2026 will be a cool episode

  • @tamarleahh.2150
    @tamarleahh.2150 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    I had an agent request a manuscript. After I sent it it took her 8 months to respond that she doesn't deal with my genre anymore but that I've really got something there lol

    • @BirdMorphingOne
      @BirdMorphingOne 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Been three years and I'm still waiting to hear back from an agent I was emailing back and forth lol

  • @brokenredflag
    @brokenredflag 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hollow city sounds amazing, i read what its about and im not sure why i have not bught it yet.

  • @maxsinclair787
    @maxsinclair787 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First I'd like to say thank you for this video it's, comforting isn't exactly the right word, something like that. I've written a couple of books. (not very good.) I'm coming to the end of a first draft of a book that i think might actually end up half way decent after some revision. There are some clunky bits in there but I think over all I'm happy with the shape of it. Once revised it will be the first book I go on submission with. I'm nervous and excited. This may or may not be my breakout book but it's certainly a step in the right direction. Hopefully with feedback that I can learn from. If i never get published I'll still write, writing is fun. not always easy or often easy but fun.

  • @LiteraryCurtastrophe
    @LiteraryCurtastrophe 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was wondering why my reactions and perspectives were ao different from these guys and then they talked about "inflated senses of self importance"... And suddenly, it all made sense

  • @brokenredflag
    @brokenredflag 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Grate epesode😊😮👍

  • @yobgodababua1862
    @yobgodababua1862 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was one of the two editors of our high school literary magazine.
    We had to publish some absolute overwrought trash (because high school), but at least we got to laugh at it first.
    Also, I had an email in 1990. :P
    Did either of you ever use LaTex, or was that just a scientific paper thing?

  • @Totally_Not_Sarcastic
    @Totally_Not_Sarcastic 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Rejected by Marion Zimmer Bradley? What a relief, huh?

  • @El_Diablo_12
    @El_Diablo_12 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    16:20 lmao

  • @menghao737
    @menghao737 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey, Dan! Food Heist! Someone pilfered British Chef Tommy Banks' van full of pies!

  • @MrMetalforever5
    @MrMetalforever5 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Every time I hear the word “slush pile” I get a little demoralized, even though it’s a totally understandable term.

  • @maybelore
    @maybelore 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    no food heist? T_T I hope they aren't gone forever!

  • @JohngeeDoyle
    @JohngeeDoyle 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I'm a self-published indie author with a severe lack of inflated self-importance. They hit big due to TikTok almost 2 years ago and I'm doing okay with them.
    But you can't get a rejection if you've convinced yourself you're not good enough to send anything 😅

  • @puxtbuck6731
    @puxtbuck6731 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Brandon the new Path of Exile game is coming out Friday. You should try it! It is an mmo but it looks like the best Diablo-like game that has come out in years

    • @xintrosi6829
      @xintrosi6829 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We don't have time for Brandon to play PoE 2! He needs to write not grind!

  • @Hoid_Wit
    @Hoid_Wit 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brandon!!! My wife and I have been royally screwed by Amazon. We were supposed to get your amazing book this Friday and now it's coming next Monday even though we had pre-ordered back in August 😢 We also bought the audible version. If anyone from your team sees this. Please reach out so i could get a digital copy emailed? After proving my previous purchases of course! But we absolutely have to read this amazing book on Friday if at all possible! We are up to date on all early chapters! Huge fans obvi!

  • @jakiedark
    @jakiedark 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would image the most difficult rejection is either a standard form, and getting to hear it's just fine.
    If it sucks, or for example a "show don't tell" is written over the letter, you know what to improve.
    If it's great, but not the right moment you know you are on the right tract.
    But a standard rejection or just fine? What do you do with fine? Just fine might the worst response as it means your story is just run of the mill. Despite doing it alright, it's missing the spark.
    To put it bluntly, it's not special. And that just suck to hear.

  • @zephron28
    @zephron28 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    oh 8086, dos, now I know how old I am lol.

  • @jamesmansfield67
    @jamesmansfield67 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Man, this episode was really hard to listen to. Became thoroughly disenchanted with the writing industry, especially the trad pub industry. Just couldn’t do it, and time ran out (i.e. had to get a real job) before I could ever get good enough to make it.

  • @Sejm656
    @Sejm656 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Please talk about arcane season 2

  • @for_one_and_all
    @for_one_and_all 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Random question...do you guys like musicals?? With all the movie chat recently, it made me think of movie musicals vs stage play musicals and your like/dislike for each? I think you've talked briefly on it before, but are you also the type to relisten to the music from said musicals on repeat??

    • @whitneydavis5196
      @whitneydavis5196 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Watch some of their older episodes. They talk about musicals a lot

  • @docstockandbarrel
    @docstockandbarrel 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    👍🏻

  • @KalleVilenius
    @KalleVilenius 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wait, this isn't dating advice... well anyway, that first letter Dan read was probably longer than all the rejections I've gotten in the past three years put together lol. Maybe in another three I'll get some kind of personalization too...

    • @UdyKumra
      @UdyKumra 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s a short story rejection letter so it’s a little easier to do this.

  • @jackkn.killington5814
    @jackkn.killington5814 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I mostly get form rejections. I get a few every now and then that are more personalized, but mostly just you suck, moving on. lol

  • @cloudsRniceC0M3
    @cloudsRniceC0M3 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ohhhhh... rejection...
    Dyslexia is funny sometimes

  • @michaelbodell7740
    @michaelbodell7740 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So given Brandon is a bit business-y, and given he's already built out all the pieces of publishing he needs for his own better ways for himself, how long until Dragonsteel just becomes a full publisher with lots of authors (at least of speculative fiction)? It can't be that much longer can it?

  • @saphna2095
    @saphna2095 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm wondering how much of the book's content that was mentioned in the rejection letter was also in the synopsis/summary that the author handed in with his writing...bc yes the letter is formulated very nicely and sounds like ChatGPT to me (which doesn't necessarily need to be a bad thing ofc)

    • @UdyKumra
      @UdyKumra 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s a short story, not a novel (DreamForge is a short story magazine) so the cover letter for the submission had no details about the content of the story except to say it’s fantasy and what the word count was (3500 words). There was a separate question in the form where I was asked how it fits their theme of breaking artificial barriers between people where I talked about imperialism and how colonial empires used divide and conquer strategies to psychologically divide subjugated people.
      So in short, nothing in the rejection letter was from outside the content of the story. This magazine also commits to reading and responding in depth to all stories, and they have an extremely strong anti-AI bias so it’s very unlikely they would’ve used ChatGPT. Even if they did though they would’ve had to read the story to know what to feed ChatGPT. But honestly this is in line with rejections I’ve seen other people get from this place over the years so that’s the real reason why I think it’s not ChatGPT.

  • @fabblwaps
    @fabblwaps 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That final timestamp is an absolute abomination of a sentence.

  • @aldarrin
    @aldarrin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Kevin J Anderson is proof positive you don't have to be a good writer to get published. I'm sure he's written something good, but in the dozens of his books I have read... none were.

    • @feathercompressor
      @feathercompressor 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      😂 I recently reread his Jedi Academy trilogy which I loved as a kid, and oh boy it did not hold up. But Stackpole's "I, Jedi" was such a good follow-up, where Corran Horn goes around being like "Well, that's stupid, why not do this instead" and trying to fix all the dumb things Anderson's characters did 😂😂 it did not make me want to read any of the multi-tome series that Anderson has somehow gotten published. But as you said, maybe some are better than what I read.

    • @aldarrin
      @aldarrin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@feathercompressor I'll never forgive him for what he did to the Dune Universe.

    • @feathercompressor
      @feathercompressor 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@aldarrin Nooooooo why did you have to remind me that those books exist 🤢🤮😂😂 oh well, it's just more motivation to write my own stories and appreciate good writing when I find it. Even halfway decent prose is so nice to discover, like the bit of Joe Abercrombie I was handed recently by a friend. Simple and refreshing.

  • @sanctus864
    @sanctus864 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That letter at the start sounds like chatGPT.

    • @UdyKumra
      @UdyKumra 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The first bit is a form rejection, and everything after my name is personalized. Even if it was chatGPT it was still personalized by the editor.