Mormon Stake Counselor Confronts General Authorities - Evan & Weston Smith Pt. 3 | Ep. 1668
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2022
- In Part 3 of 3 Evan describes getting called as a Stake Counselor, his attempts to be an ally for LGBTQ individuals and his subsequent faith crisis. Evan has a few debates/confrontations with Area Seventy Elder McCune (higher than Stake Presidency in Mormon leadership) over his son. Evan emails Apostles and other leaders on how the Church can change to be more loving and accepting of LGBTQ members resulting in a meeting with General Authority Allen D. Haynie. Evan continues faith deconstruction when his wife begins her faith crisis and they both come to see the issues with sexism in the Church, with biblical scholarship opening up new issues and the family’s ultimate decision to leave the Church.
Gay LDS Crossroads: www.gayldscrossroads.org/
This Body of Water: Surviving Mormonism as a Queer Man: www.amazon.com/This-Body-Wate...
Chapters:
00:05:40 Evan’s call to the Stake Presidency and serving as a progressive leader w/gay son
00:26:45 Realizing the Church is not a safe place for LGBT causes faith crisis
00:50:45 Telling his Stake President he had doubts
00:56:10 Meeting with General Authority Elder John Mccune during Stake Presidency reorganization, getting passed over as Stake President
01:00:00 Debating Elder John McCune
01:15:30 Cheryl finds out Elder McCune has been debating Evan about their gay son Weston
01:18:00 2nd meeting with Elder McCune, McCune apologizes
01:26:35 Evan emails Elder Henry B. Eyring and others about how the church can change
01:29:00 Meeting with GA Elder Allen D. Haynie about LGBT manuscript
01:38:00 How change happens in the Church
01:47:25 More discussion with Elder Haynie about LGBTQ issues
02:02:00 Sealings and the discrimination of women in the temple
02:13:00 Being a progressive Mormon and learning about Biblical Scholarship
02:20:35 The choice to resign the family’s membership
02:26:00 Leaving the Church and feeling liberated
Episode Show Notes:
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When Wes said the church needs to apologize to his mom for the neglect, wanted to cry! I’ve never heard my feelings verbalized and to come from a young man. As the mother of 6 children, one severely disabled, I was a single mother at church! My husband also served in leadership
Gerardo is awesome, he’s a man of so few words and when he does chime in it’s always gold.
I deeply appreciate Weston’s recognition of his mother’s burden and poor treatment within this system. I think it was so important that he kept recognizing the oppression of women within the church. You can tell he sees his mother’s burden and he didn’t want it to go unsaid. Thank you for noticing and saying something, Weston.
I have a cousin that came out during prop 8 in California. My uncle, his dad, received a letter from the church instructing him to donate money to overturn prop 8. I saw the letter, so, please don't tell that they didn't do that. My uncle told the stake president that he would not be donating money to a proposition that would harm his son! The stake president then called my uncle in to "have" a conversation. They told my uncle that unless he did, they would disfellowship him. He said go ahead - do what you must. In the end they didn't, but my uncle and aunt stopped going to church! Fun fact, you are REQUIRED to pay tithing (10% of your monthly income) in order to go through the temple! You have to go through the temple in order to enter the Celestial Kingdom. So, you have to pay in order to go to heaven???? Jesus had something to say about that - if you remember!!!
I am a 75 year old gay man who had been a good member of the church from 8yrs old to2014 may when I canceled my membership. I served a 2&1/2 yr mission to Korea and 2 marriages to 2 lovely women have 3grown children I love dearly but I AM GAY, & NOTHING CAN CHANGE THAT. This is a very special ❤episode thanks 😊so much, but will not ever be a member again!!!......
No one can ever make me believe that kids aren’t born this way. I have a daughter that is 19. She never had sexual relations of any kind, she was having suicidal ideation. I didn’t have any idea what was wrong. She was so worried about disappointing me, her father, and extended family. When I found out why and what was going on in her mind it crushed me. She is one of the most amazing young ladies, she’s super smart, would give you the shirt off her back, kind beyond words, and so much more. I always noticed since she was born it was like she had a old soul. She’s worry as a very small child like a grown up. She grew up a very average childhood with 2 parents and a sister that loved her very much. I know there’s no way that she would have chosen to make her life harder just to do it. Once I found out, I told her no I’d be there as a warrior for her and to love her until the day I die. Thankfully, every family member is fine with her because they know her, they know how amazing of a young girl she is, until you raise a kid and know everything about them you cannot and more than likely will not ever understand. I think it’s ridiculous to ask these kids to go against what they feel, like this father said. Try to force yourself to like or want to fall in love with the same sex when you aren’t born this way. It’s impossible!! My husband has gay people in his family that my girls had never met and neither of our girls have ever been around and gay people. I just know she didn’t purposely chose to have a harder life. I do feel like kids lives are hard enough they shouldn’t have to think about all the hate, especially from god or the church. I asked my daughter how long she had felt that way and she said ever since she can remember. She tried to talk with a boy and was repulsed😰 she’s lucky to have an entire family that loves her❤️😍🥰🥳😘😍💕
My first wife cheated on me. We divorced. I got remarried, and requested a sealing cancelation which was denied, and the church granted me a sealing clearance. So I am still sealed to my first wife. I am always told the Lord will work it out in the hereafter. So why can't the church just Seal LGBTQ couples, with the same trust that the Lord will work it out in the hereafter? If he can work out my sealing to someone I wouldn't want to spend eternity with, how come he cannot work out LGBTQ families sealed together?
The 2015 policy was very troubling to me, but the reversal was even worse in the shelf-breaking sense as I clearly realized these guys do NOT talk to God. They are making it up as they go, and this reversal was one of the major things that made me need to look into the rabbit hole. If they were wrong there, where else have they been wrong? Oh boy, was I in for a surprise. I went to take a sip from the waters of church history and truth claims, and I ended up drinking from a firehose of eye-opening information. Congrats church, you played yourself
I love that Evan chose to love his son more than the church. 💕 What a beautiful family - thank you for sharing your story.
Isn’t it interesting how the “one true gospel” (the lds church) ends up turning so many away from Chriatianithy altogether?
Funny story! The bank employee who notarized my resignation was named Nephi. 🤣
GREAT episode. THANK YOU! I do not think anyone without a LBGTQ child (or who is LBGTQ) can appreciate the pain and incredible BS the church puts you through. Not me- but I saw my son go thru horrible things. I really resent the church- and I have nothing but absolute respect and admiration for the way that those who are LGTBQ handled themselves and were standup and honorable. The church is the one who acted totally UN- CHRIST- LIKE and inappropriate.
Yep! When my first husband died, they said I couldn’t seal to anyone else. But I knew I would get re-married and have kids. I was only 29.
Wow. I loved this episode so much! Our family of 6 left last year and we are happier than ever! It is validating to hear your story. Thank you so much!❤
This has been the best 3 episode I have heard on Mormon Stories. I wish I had all this information when my daughter came out and we were still church goers. Now I feel like I can better my relationship with my daughter and her wife.
Love that you use a variety of co-hosts & seem to always pick the cohost best for each episode. Gerardo is awesome & his contributions added a lot to all 3 parts.
I'm so touched by the moments in Part 2 when the dad is so clearly proud of his son (the look on his face) and in Part3 when Wes is clearly so proud of his dad. What an inspiration. This is love.
What a great father and son. Really enjoyed watching them support and lift each other up, even while admitting mistakes. A great example of being a loving parent who adapts when they learn new information.
I absolutely love this video. It was very informative and riveting. It usually takes me a couple of days to make it through an entire Mormon story podcast, but I was able to finish this one in a very timely manner. Thanks for posting.
Evan and Weston have taken the higher road for sure. Evan's comment was so right about how his Mormonism will always be a part of who he is even in moving on. And even in this very raw state there was not a hint of bitterness, not looking at the years lost but the years gained-